Anybody who says Spetsnaz is an idiot. There is no unit called the Spetsnaz. Spetsnaz is an umbrella term for Russian Special Forces, equivalent to saying US Special Operations Forces.
Nice pictures, but I doubt they are actual DEVGRU operators for their missions are black and no one knows who they are. They don't wear any identification patches like ARMY's Delta Force and remain highly secretive.
Its a fact, that while DEVGRU guys are SEALS, they are older than regular SEALS. DEVGRU guys statistically is late 30's and early 40's. DEVGRU also has EOD guys who are not SEALS.
the tier system is bullshit, DEVGRU operators are usually in their late 20s and early 30s, wouldn't a “regular” 30 year old SEAL be as capable as a DEVGRU SEAL? Yes they do have a different selection course but if you're a SEAL you already passed BUDS, hell week, SQT, etc. what can possibly stop them from joining this team?
@vegamarco4 They're looking for military experience. They also wanted to keep them for as long as they can because training a tier 1 operator costs a fortunate. So they want you to stay on the team for at least 2yrs, most stay for more than that.
@vegamarco4 Are you serious? The difference is that Devgru each year might hold tryouts for 10 spots, and 150 SEALs try out, but only the 10 are selected through Green Team training. The difference between a Devgru operator (which average age is actually mid-30s with many in early 40s and VERY FEW in 20s) and "regular" SEAL (all SEALs are elite) may not seem that big to you, but in reality operationally is huge. Less than a 16th of SEALs are in Devgru (2500 SEALs, 150 Devgru).
@BXAssasinatorXS Maybe if you actually read you would be able to pick up some info from a REAL operator's words. 150 is the rough estimate of how many DEVGRU operators there are, well minus 21 from the crash this summer.... RIP heroes.
@seancul55 oh really how much more specialized can it possibly be, what they specialize at is counter terrorism and hostage rescue so reasonably that would be their major focus.
@vegamarco4 Aaaaaaaand what exactly does CT and HR entail??? An EXPERT proficiency in CQC!!! To give you an idea, it is well known that DEVGRU operators (~150 total) expend more ammo on the shooting range in 1 year than the ENTIRE Marine Corps. DEVGRU operators also have access to ANY military school in the world, and are deployed 300 days a year (MUCH more experience, training, and CQC proficiency). All SEALs are great, but simple numbers dictate that only the top 16th of SEALs are DEVGRU.
@seancul55 You idiot, if a "normal" SEAL is a master at direct action why in the hell would they get downgraded CQC training? doesn't make any fucking sense. About the shooting range, I've heard about it before but it talked about Special Forces in general not DEVGRU. The rest of the shit you said I have no idea get you got that from.
@vegamarco4 Thanks for the insult... real mature. They don't get "downgraded" CQC training, but they don't have CQC as their main focus, and they don't train it as much or delve in as deeply, as "normal" SEALs prepare for EVERYTHING, not just CT and HR mission. Obviously DEVGRU does more than just CT and HR (Mogadishu '93 for example), but they ARE still SEALs and have all the skills the other SEALs do. The thing is that they are full go full time deployed 300 days a year.
@vegamarco4 cont. It's just like practice, the more you perform or practice, the better you get. That's why guys in DEVGRU burn out after 5 years or so - the tempo is just too much after a while. Think when NFL RBs turn 30. And I was wrong on the ammo comment. Turns out ST6 burns more PISTOL ammo in one year than the ENTIRE Marine Corps burns on ALL ammo. Type "seal team 6 more ammo than marine corps" in google. You will find a zillion direct quotes saying such.
@vegamarco4 And if you bothered to read before insulting people on youtube, you'd know everything I say is true. Read SEAL Team 6 by Howard Wasdin. He's kind of annoying in how he portrays himself as God of the Universe, but it accurately portrays the differences between SEALs and DEVGRU. All SEALs are great, but simple MATH dictates that only the (less than) top 16th of ALL SEALs make it through Green Team to DEVGRU. Once there, they focus on CQC and have the doors open at every school. Dur
@vegamarco4 "I was told that in one year, SEAL Team Six alone spent more money just on 9mm ammunition than the entire Marine Corps spent on all its ammunition.”
- Howard Wasdin, ex-SEAL Team 6 Sniper, Author of SEAL Team Six
@maxximumforce Marcinko may have said the same sort of thing in RW, but that's actually a direct quote from SEAL Team Six by Howard Wasdin. We're sayin the same thing though, so no biggie lol. Funnily enough, if you read ST6 you'll see that today's DEVGRU operators are actually ANNOYED by Marcinko's outlandish behavior.
Let's clear some things up. "Tier 1" is a term for AMERICAN units with this mission. Not SAS or Spetznaz, they are from different countries. However they do the same things and are on par with them.
Tier 1s perform CLANDESTINE operations, not "Black Ops" you COD fags. The only thing close to "black ops" in the real world is COVERT operations (shut up 390). But those are handled by the CIA, however, the goals of these mission somewhat overlap and the Tier 1s and CIA often work together.
My neighbor has a seal team 6 sticker on his car, but was never in the military. Is that legal? He also has a t shirt that says something like Seal Team - class 2xx
@390bullitt1968 iam sure its legal. but if a true navy seal saw it and questioned him. then he would get his ass kicked. in the navy only real navy seals can wear the trident or navy seal stuff
should of sent in the SAS though , they would of got the job done properly without all this conspirac crap! no SF reg on earth is the standard of the SAS.
@bcoy1para DEVGRU, Delta (called A.C.E. now... or C.A.G.), Spetnaz, GIGN, S.A.S., K.S.K., Sayeret Mat'kal , S.A.D. ... these are ALL tier one special operation forces. Now, while you can speculate (because that is all it is... you are just talking out of your ass) on who is better, the fact of the matter is the DEVGRU were the ones that were called up and got it done. Any of these teams could have gotten it done.
I think the Virginia Farm Boys/ CAG had a role in this operation. Those of you that also served in the spec ops community with me know what im talking about.
ITS GREAT how the Brits dont give a fuck about looking tough, macho or big like most other armies, and just quietly and confidently get on with killing every scumbag put up against them. Their is no equal.
If you want quality with history, look no further than the father of special forces....SAS
@shumfup DEVGRU performs Black Ops which means that only a selct group of people know about their missions. They get their orders directly from the president or other high place people. I personally think they are sent on missions the rescue a high placed ambassador or other high placed people or capture a dictator alive.
i'm reading alot about special forces and i'd like to know what missions would devgru be assigned to that "regular" seals wouldn't. i ask because just like devgru i've read that seals also do hostage resue and counterterrorism.
@drothefuture - You are right, Green Berets are SPECIAL FORCES. Navy SEALs, Delta Force, Marine Recon, Green Berets (Special Forces), Army Rangers, Air Force Para-rescue, Air Force 1st Air Commando's, and (I know I'm missing some units) are all SPECIAL OPERATIONS....or Spec. Ops. Good point, a small play on words, but a big difference none the less. You also have your Tier 1 Spec. Ops. which includes SEAL team 6 (or DEVGRU) and Delta Force....And then there's the shit we don't even know about!!!
@TopGun8993 The Washington Post wrote an article in 2006 saying the FBI had looked into the bin laden 911 links, and concluded he had nothing to do with it. That is why OBL was not on the FBI's most wanted list for 911. Of course, if you are going to start a few wars that will cost taxpayers a few trillion to wage, it is a good idea to name a bad guy. Those trillions of extra debt will be the responsibilty of future generations to service. 911 benefited the war merchants. nobody else.
@390bullitt1968 - I think its been established that Bin Laden was linked to 911. It sounds a little "conspiracy theory" that he had nothing to do with it. There's also people who think our government was in on taking down the twin towers. You have the right to believe all that, I don't buy it.
@TopGun8993 - According to a source of mine, on 9/12/2001 roughly 80% of ALL FBI agents or 8,000 were assigned to work on terror related matters. Vacations were pulled and overtime the norm.
There were NO legitimate terror cells EVER found in America. None. And they NEVER could find any link to OBL. How is that a conspiracy? OBL issued a tape on 9/20-2001 saying he had nothing to do with it.
US Gov told all media outlets not to play it. why? It had messages for sleeper cells in USA
@390bullitt1968 - part 2- That is just pure bs. The video was played in Europe. On Ocotber 25, 2001 a tape of OBL emerges saying he did it! Problem was the idiots who made it forgot OBL was left handed. He is writing in the video using his right hand and wearing a gold ring ( taboo for muslims). Does it strike you as odd Bush did all he could to prevent a 911 commission from investigating the crime. Bush was hiding the truth from americans and 84% now think the gov played some role.
@marbito11 - Bin laden relased tapes on Sept 20 ( 775 words) and Oct 7 ( 2300 words) . Both time he denied any involvement in 911. He also made heavy use of the words God and Mohammed in those tapes. Tape 1 mentions God 16 times and Mohammed 3 times. Tape 2 mentions God 28 times and Mohammed 8 times. That is what you would expect from a devout Muslim. Tape 3 ( Nov 9) is 2300 words and mention God 2 times and Mohammed....not once! The tape is phony. CIA refuses to say where they found it!
The closet thing to EVIDENCE is a statement made by Tony Blair in October 2001 when he says there is hard evidence tying OBL to 911. When asked what it was he said it was classified and had been provided to him by USA. cute. He's lying. If there is evidence the US should tell the taxpayers what it is. The Taliban offered to turn him over IF they could see what evidence the USA had to prove his involvement. Tell me what you can refer me to. CIA & BUSH liars.
@390bullitt1968 the man sat wit his right hand man and bragg to the whole world how he did it. silly me i thought i was going to have a coversation with sane person
@marbito11 - Except there is just one problem The FBI declared those videos fake. You must be with counter intell psych ops. You fool nobody. The cover up of 911 will not be swept under the rug Mr
@390bullitt1968 he has said on various videos that he declares war on the u.s and that he predicts a black day in america. he brags about 9/11. KSM was involved in 93 world trade bombing. the shoe bomber.the uss cole bombings, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi :bin ladens main man in iraq. what more evidence do you want? bin laden is not a cia agent and his not a character. his a terrorist that wanted to kill americans and SAD/DEVGRU got him.
@marbito11 - Oh you forgot one big point, they attacked us because they hate our freedoms.
You still have not offered any evidence bin laden is connected to 911. For that, you need to look at Dick cheney and mossad. bin laden CIA name was tim Osman. Wake up
@390bullitt1968 tim osman was a code name for bin laden when the cia was working with the mujahadeen. the cia did worked with bin laden when bin laden wasnt a international terrorist.
@marbito11 -hahahaha. CIA kicked out the democratically elected president of Indonesia in 1967, and installed a dictator. That dictator with American help and funding, killed 1,500,000 innocent civilians.
That was covered up until 1995, when the US government operation was declassified. Tell me again who the real terroists are.
@the the cia was never involved in the coup . the cia had black propaganda against the communist party and gave a them a list of the communist. i never said the cia wasnt dirty. but call the government terrorist is extreme. if you dont like america than leave. i would rather have a undocumented worker who loves this country than a unpatrioctic like you
@marbito11 - Wrong. The declassified docs show CIA planned, funded and helped coordinate the coup.
Of course they did the same in 20 Central American nations as well. Since 2000, America has been ruled by Neo Con Bolsheviks who are even more lawless than the extreme radical nationalists who ran the military / gov from 1945-2000. I am a 9th generation American. You must be a talmudist.
@390bullitt1968 Iam not a jew. my parents are from el salvador. central america does not have 20 nations. the cia only organized 1 coup in guatemala. my parents have lived through war, they say communist are main reason why the whole war started. it economically held the county back 30 years. its becoming quiet apperent that your not thinking rationally when you called me a jew and that our country was ran by "extreme radical nationalist". end of conversation
@marbito11 el Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Peru, and the list goes on an on. The point is democratically elected governments were elected then overthrown by CIa backed rebels. the extreme radical nationalists are the Neo Cons who took power in 2000 in USA.
@marbito11 Just quit arguing with him. He's obviously just a troll trying to waste everybody's time, he won't even admit that the numbers of nations in central America isn't 20, which makes him laughable.
@marbito11 I just checked his profile, he only follows RT as his primary news source it seems. RT receives around 2 billion in rubles from the Russian Federal Budget every year. Their stated mission is to simply broadcast the Russian point of view of current events and nothing else. Essentially this man has been following the 21st century version of Pravda like it was the bible and believes anything they say. Which is sad. That is why he doesn't know shit about anything practically.
I hear you. Russia Today used to be okay, but after a while they got ridiculously anti-American. They are like the Russian Fox News now. And i'm from Europe.
Lots of arguments on the word "tier". No one has mentioned the fact that a "Tier 1" unit is one that is on 24hour alert, has a short amount of time to be "wheels up" and enroute, is always packed and ready to go. Tier 2 units have more time, and so on for Tier 3.
@mycroftOwns From all the reports I;ve come across,its pretty safe to assume the grenade did kill her.Autopsy done in the UK.One report says the militant actually tried to shield her. But I hope the guy doesnt get courtmartialed.That wouldnt be right. The guy must be getting some sleepless nights. Retrain for sure,not just him,but they must all re-evaluate the situation and learn lessons from it. Hardest situation to deal with.
@banoffee2001 yea, but im not in charge of it so i dunno. I wouldn't have courtmartialed him but you never know since i doubt any trials (if there are any) would be publicized. I mean he made an honest mistake so its not really his fault, and i wasn't there so I don't know what was going on. I would hedge my bet on retraining.
@BazeBaller1 the only way you can tell are if they're guarding a person of high importance and have there eyes or faces blocked out....like the President of afghanistan, the ones guarding him a DEVGRU operators
Kid nevered served in the SOF community nor trained with one and I hear is the word, "tier. tier. and tier again" kid stfu the pentagon wasnt even the one who catergorized the tiers so fuck up and stop acting like u know wat ur talkin about
@blowingrapesss Lol your a typical kid who plays too much COD, who made up these tiers, I can bet my ass pentagon didnt, it was some kid who fantasizes about the SOF community... Stop using tiers as an excuse, you suck on Delta's dick too much.
Seals are raiding/scuba demo spec ops teams (as their main speciality), rangers are light infantry. First is SOF second is light infantry SO capable. Nuff said.
i happen to know a couple of people out of delta and dev group and have had the honor to train with them as tigerswan is made up of them. leon is ex delta and kyle is ex dev group. both are 2nd to none. u have to be the best to even get a shot at either of them and then roughly only 5% make the final cut. if u want to see what they can do then search tigerswan and see for yourself
i'm starting to read my old comments, and other idiots comments... I've come to conclusion that, past a certain point of training, no matter what group you're in, be it the SEALs, Delta, SBS, SAS, JTF2, KSK, once you reach the peak of training, and you're as elite as you can be, you can take on any threat. They're all amazing special forces, and tbh, making it into any one of these SF units is a landmark is a man's life. They can work together, so why are WE arguing? >.>
@MadamKouassi I don't know why everyone wants to argue like we're all not on the same team... I beleive that Delta, SAS, Devgru, JTF-2, and USAF Pararescue are pretty much "Modern Spartans"... They can not be defeated
We all work together. We all have highly fucking capable special forces.
I suppose everyone roots for the home team, which is part of the reason I vote for the SAS. I also know what kind of shit they do, and they do EVERYTHING. There's nothing they can't or won't do.
But anyway, Doesn't matter which SF unit named here is out in the field, they're all gonna get the job done.
I'd leave a quote here in Latin, but I don't speak Latin. lol
@MadamKouassi Yeah I've just always gave my best wishes to all spec ops from The U.S., U.K., Israel, Germany, France, Austraillia, and Canada because they all have pretty much the best Special Ops Forces I can think of...
Nice to see someone who appreciates everyone for their abilities and for the fact that they're out their working, living and dying together, regardless of where they come from.
@MadamKouassi Yeah I support every nation that means well... I believe we all should do what's right for the better of the world... And when a country puts the man hours into training a special unit to liberate those oppressed I think that's simply the most noble thing for humans to do...
You cant compare rangers against SEALs anyways there not even the same type of troops. Rangers are just advanced and more highly trained infantry soldiers SEALs are Spec Ops they are like Marine Recon. Force Recon and SEALs are more of a comparison rather than Rangers and SEALs at least Recon Marines do the same shit as SEALs. lol jesus people learn some shit before giving out opinions
@blowingrapesss so you're telling me a Delta Force member can swim 10 miles, and take over a oil rig. Cause I know for a SEAL can and the fact that SEALs can do everything a Delta member can do.
@mswoonc That's exactly what I'm saying..They may not "specialize" in Maritime operations but that wasn't my point to begin with. I'm saying any Delta operator could pass DEVGRU training and selection if they went that route. If you think one group is more fit, or more elite than the other than you are a moron, and shows just how little you know about what type of groups they really are. And how do you know for a fact? Why was Delta the chosen group when they thought they had binladen cornered?
Stop arguing over whos better guys, its obvious that the "SEAL Recon scuba rangers" are the best. Not many people know about them since they are black ops. Hoorayaha!
Ok, just to set things straight- anyone out there arguing about which special forces branch is better, and who is more important, obviously is not a member of the community. There is some joking to the other teams about being better than each other, but its all in good fun. EVERY operator respects all the other operators, because we know that were all at the top of our game, and that includes the other nations special forces.
The difference between the operators is their mission set. An operator is going to excel at any mission, which is what sets operators apart from everyone else. EOD, SEAL, SWCC, ARMY SOF, MARINE RECON, AIR FORCE PJS, British SAS & SBS and all the other special groups of america and her allies- I have love for everyone of you, because we all share the common goal. "INITIAL SUCCESS OR TOTAL FAILURE" HOOYA!
You forgot to mention CIA SOG, ISA (grey wolf). and I forgot what the other two were. But yes your completely right. Finally someone who knows their shit.
I only actually found out recently that SOG was a subdivision of Special Activities and that there was a political action group within SAD, so Jakmehauf is right, I should have clarified. And ISA, as well. Apparently, NSA actually has some kind of SpecOps group in conjunction with CIA that looks like the kind of shit that you'd see on Splinter Cell, but that could just be rumors and hearsay.
well technically speaking SOG is nt a sub didvision just a whole other one. SAD consisits of rangers army sf (also known as Green Berets), 1st SFO-D and possibly 1st SFO- E. SOG consists of mainly SEALS, NSWDG operators. But they do cross training. Ive heard about the NSA have SpecOps but im still researching it. Planning on joining SEALS myself then NSWDG and finally SOG.
Hmm...that's a first...what I read was SAD having a political action group and a covert action group (the latter being the Special Operations Group). And I've never heard of SFOD-E...
on the NSA front, if I'm not mistaken, it's called the Special Collections Service, but I found that on Wikipedia, so take that as you will...
1st SFO-E is echo group. probablly some of the most highly trained and physically fit units in the world. You wont find anything on them on the net. Ima have to go back to do more research on the whole SAD SOG thing. Thanks man =]
@connor72595 I used to be a grunt, aka infantryman aka 11B, and I can tell you, Marine Recon and Rangers are grunts. Very fit, well trained, and well-equipped grunts, but they're grunts. They're not operators.
@connor72595 I know a MFR Marine and yes, he considers himself a grunt. When people ask him what he does in the USMC he says he's a grunt, he doesn't say recon. I don't know if it's the same in the Army. The only reason anyone argues or even cares about Rangers vs. MFR is because of COD, just like back when SOCOM came out everyone all of the sudden was a future SEAL.
Just made it worst... Too many retards on YT can't deigest this... You forgot JSOC, and there isn't really a "Tier 2" or "Tier 3" their just Rangers and Force Recon. Remember JSOC is the highest level, basically just a bunch of Tier 1 guys fighting together...
I didn't forget JSOCJSOC = Delta, SEAL Six, ISA, 24th Special Tactics Squadron. I didn't say JSOC by name, but I did include the important elements. The Tier system isn't official, but it's widely accepted.
@thetruemagicalnegro You have it all wrong dumbfuck. The "tier one" as you want to call them... those guys? Yeah those are the guys that we don't know about. Delta, DEVGRU, AF 24th etc. Those guys? Those are just the highest "tiered" guys that we (rarely) even hear about. Your "BAMF black ops guys"... who knows who they are?
@Corzizzle Um…are you a member of the special ops community? Do you know a member of the special ops community? No? Then shut the fuck up, bitch. Go outside and play with your GI Joes, because this is an adult conversation, little boy.
@thetruemagicalnegro Holy fuck. Its so funny, because someone who is not a member of the special ops community is calling out someone else who is not a member of it. So what makes your opinion different than mine?
Do you honestly believe the military doesn't have anyone higher than Delta and Devgru to call on? Sure they are up there.... REALLY high up there. But there are movies about them, people know about them. When you want to talk about that really classified stuff we aren't supposed
Let's get something straight. I've worked with special operations before. I've known people from that community. And I've done so much research, I'll probably forget more about that community than you'll ever learn. So I don't need some cake-eating civilian trying to tell me about subject I'm pretty knowledgable about.
But besides the point. You want to be treated like an adult, come at me like an adult, with respect. Otherwise I'll treat you like the retarded piece of shit you are.
@thetruemagicalnegro Come at you with respect? What warrants me respecting you? I disagreed with you, and you call me a cake eating civilian. No, you have not worked with ANY of the special operations community at any time in your life. "I've done so much research." You sound like every other military reject out there, you couldn't get in so you become a keyboard warrior who thinks he is knowledgeable on a subject because he read a book or two and viewed a couple websites but just never could
@thetruemagicalnegro Just never could make it. Also, the fact that you participate in internet arguments with people just proves the point more that you are lying. People like you who try to gain respect or credit for things they have not accomplished are so disgusting. Someone professional enough to work with personnel in the special operations community would not act the way you are. I could claim to work with special forces too. You know why I don't?
All I've got to say is, it sure take a lot of balls to talk the shit you're talking from behind that computer screen. Especially calling me a liar. That's not something I take kindly to. But you do it from the safety of behind your computer. Enjoy that safety. Someday, you'll open that big mouth of yours at the wrong time and you won't have anonymity to protect you.
@Corzizzle Right…because you were there with me in Baghdad and are in a position to dispute my claim. Oh, wait, that's right, you weren't…you're a civilian cockbreath that doesn't know how to show respect to veterans. Doom on you, asshole.
@MshadowsenseoC Yep, since they're technically a type of special operations (special operations light infantry is their designation), but they don't have the specialty training that Special Forces, SEALs, Air Force Special Tactics, or MARSOC have. To put it bluntly, Rangers are really high speed, in-shape grunts (and I use the term grunt as one of endearment, being an 11B myself :) )
@thetruemagicalnegro Ohyea one more thing, if they really are tier three. How can soldiers from the 75th ranger regiment become 1stSFOD-D? or is that something I am wrong about? Becaue I think its strange that a tier three unit can be recruited for a tier one unit, if you know what i mean. Sry for bothering you with al these questions, but its on my mind :P
@MshadowsenseoC Not a problem :) The thing with Delta is that they'll take anybody if you show that you have what they're looking for. You don't have to do time in a Tier Three or Tier Two unit to make it into Delta. Conceivably, you could be a cook and go to Delta selection, and if they want you, they will give you the training to become a Tier One operator. Delta just wants to know you have what it takes, and they'll take care of the rest.
@thetruemagicalnegro There was a guy from the 82nd Airborne that passed Delta Selection Process, but was not excepted to join Delta or one of their Squadrons during the review board. They told him to spend some time in Special Forces (Green Berets) and come back and try again. You can be a STUD and they still wont except you, unless they want you and have the resume to back it up. So, NO "Cooks" in Delta. 95% (or more) of Delta Operators come from the 75th or Special Forces background or both.
@miZZZzzzery The cooks thing was just a hypothetical…the point I was making is, they're not going to disbar anybody just based off their MOS. It's not like Delta will only take people with Ranger or SF backgrounds-they have recruited from other combat arms and non-combat arms branches. But do you have a much better chance, coming from Ranger Batt or SF? Most definitely
@thetruemagicalnegro You are correct, sir. Put it this way, every Delta Operator that has been KIA since 2001 has either served in the 75th Rangers, Special Forces (Green Berets) or both at sometime in their career, now that's saying a lot, as to what Delta is looking for. May they Rest In Peace.
@MshadowsenseoC It just so happens that most of Delta's recruits come from Special Forces and the Ranger Regiment because those guys have already proven themselves to be outstanding soldiers and have a background in special operations. But it certainly doesn't disqualify anyone outside those units from applying. Hope this helps :)
@MshadowsenseoC@thetruemagicalnegro 75th Rangers are a Tier 2 unit NOT 3. I hope you guys know Rangers work closely with Delta and DEVGRU and fall under "JSOC" as well as "SOCOM". Rangers took part in the "Linda Norgrove Hostage Rescue" with DEVGRU. They are a well funded unit (Tier 2) because they work at a high level, so they need the best equipment and training.
@thetruemagicalnegro Wrong. Rangers and Marine Recon are Tier Two. And Seals are technically Tier One.. DEVGRU /ST6 are pretty much the same thing as 'normal' Seals. Their missions are a little more classified. Just because they do it doesn't mean a regular seal can't do it.. Technically everyone's Tier One, it's more based on classification. The sad thing is, you can't be in any of the Spec Ops groups you listed because of your arrogance and your retardation. Thanks.
I will stand corrected…the information I read before said Rangers were Tier Three, but what I'm reading here is, they're basing the tiers more off of the black/white dichotomy. That maintains that JSOC's Special Mission Units (SEAL Six, Delta, etc) are Black and Tier One, while everyone else in USSOCOM is Tier Two.
Riddle me this, though-if SEAL Team Six is the same as the regular Teams, why is there a separate selection process for SEAL Six?
@ssDaNss True and not true.. What people don;t understand is that just cause there is DEVGRU doesn't mean a SEAL is not Tier 1... All SEALs are Tier 1... even a former ranger I know admitted SEALs being better than rangers.. he said all rangers did was protect an asset, bodygaurd.. not the typical Delta/SEALs missions they do like clandestine, intel, direct action missions that SEALs and Delta do...
@mswoonc Sorry buddy, not all SEALs are Tier 1, only DEVGRU because they are part of JSOC. If you knew what the Tier system is used for, you wouldn't be saying that. It's not used for a dick measuring, either.
@miZZZzzzery Wow here we go again.. some idiot not even in the military nor know anything of JSOC talking out of his aass about DEVGRU... Kid your sooo freaking stupid, If it came down to Marine Force Recon, SEALs, Rangers, Pararescue, any SOF in the world would choose SEALs.. A DEVGRU is a SEAL, if a SEAL from Team 3 did not tryout for the DEVGRU but went on a mission with a DEVGRU he can sure damn do it, definately not a ranger.. Can you stop talking?
@mswoonc I believe you're that stupid idiot. A Ranger will go on a mission with DEVGRU before a "white" SEAL Team will, FACT! Let me give you an example, most recently; The Linda Norgrove Hostage Rescue. Oh, here's another one, Jessica lynch Hostage Rescue. Please explain to me the Tier system because it seems to me you have no clue why it's there and used for. You sound like a Navy SEAL Fanboy.
@miZZZzzzery KID WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Why the fuck would a SEAL team be called in after a Ranger dumbass. and why the fuck do you even bring up lynch/norgrove, thats a new whole new fucking topic idiot. You watchhh wayyy to much videos and rely on a typica COD comments on tiers. Delta would rather work with a SEAL team than other other units in JSOC, SEALs too. And kid in norgrove mission, SEALs success rate is legendary compared to any other unit, fucking up one mission dont mean shit.
@mswoonc What are you talking about? You didn't answer my question. I brought up those mission because you said a guy from SEAL Team 3 can do the same missions at the same level of expertise as guy form DEVGRU can do, which is FALSE. So, I guess Rangers can do the same missions DEVGRU/Delta can do, according to you. Delta will never work with a "white" SEAL Team. You my friend have been watching way to many Navy SEAL videos.
@miZZZzzzery Rangers do much different missions than what Delta typically are assigned. I know they work together but different mission priorities are involved. I'll say this. Nobody brings more firepower to a mission than what the Rangers do while Delta brings stealth.
@cbiwv Yup, Rangers/Delta/DEVGRU operate on the 'black side'. When SEAL Team 6 raided a compound that they thought Al Zarqawi was hiding, they took Rangers along with them, not know "vanilla" SEAL Team. I find it funny how "mswoonc" is saying SEALs are better than Rangers and all Rangers is "bodyguard", hahah, which is BULLSHIT.
@cbiwv Ranger School is a very tough school, but from what I hear from Rangers that served in the 75th, RIP/RASP is 100 times more difficult and the attrition rate is a lot higher compared to Ranger School.
I read that book, a wonderful book to say the least. Definitely an eye opener. It just proves Delta is light-years ahead any other unit in terms of capabilities and training in that environment. And what those Rangers did on "Roberts Ridge" was just remarkable.
@miZZZzzzery I think alot of that has to do with alot of underqualified candidates not making the cut in RIP/RASP. The attrition rate is going to be higher in those schools you mentioned. Ranger school is composed of soldiers who are expected to make it through, however, half of them do not.
@cbiwv I heard Ranger School was going to be added to the "75th Ranger Regiment" selection process. Meaning you will go to your Battalion after Ranger School, not after RASP.
@miZZZzzzery Read Not a good Day to Die. There are some eye openers in that book. The truth exposed about some of these SOFs and who in fact performs at the highest level.
@SoonToBeSWCC Rangers operate on the "black side" as while as the gray, white or whatever you want to call it. The reason they operate on the "black" side is because these guys are used frequently by JSOC and are supporting Delta/DEVGRU missions.
@miZZZzzzery mswoonc needs a talking to by don shipley. He's a guy that has been playing call of duty way to fucking much and think he's knows everything. With his attitude we won't even make basic training much less buds
@mswoonc SEALs are harder end of story .Much as I respect Rangers. its a state of fact.. its like saying Moon is brighter than the Sun, which is obviously not true. My friend is going into Force Recon and me the SEALs. and trust me, he is one cocky kid but even he knows. SEALs training is harder than Force Recon. SEALs basic training is longer. But the thing is. getting INTO force recon training is harder but training is easier, SEALs is easier to get into but harder in training.
@mswoonc It's a matter of personal preference. Both are difficult in their own ways. Anything involving water is going to challenging, it's human nature. Good luck at BUD/S.
Anybody who says Spetsnaz is an idiot. There is no unit called the Spetsnaz. Spetsnaz is an umbrella term for Russian Special Forces, equivalent to saying US Special Operations Forces.
BXAssasinatorXS 3 months ago
@warfighter285 Agreed
Saluki388 5 months ago
What other tier one operators are there besides DEVGRU and Delta?
MrWsabi11 5 months ago
@MrWsabi11 british SAS/SBS...they're the only ones that really count for anything anyways
soflo23 5 months ago
Funny how after the media mentioned DEVGRU people start stating facts about them.
Saluki388 6 months ago
Nice pictures, but I doubt they are actual DEVGRU operators for their missions are black and no one knows who they are. They don't wear any identification patches like ARMY's Delta Force and remain highly secretive.
ellisfreedman 7 months ago
@ellisfreedman There are pictures of DEVGRU. Most of these aren't though.
BXAssasinatorXS 3 months ago
Its a fact, that while DEVGRU guys are SEALS, they are older than regular SEALS. DEVGRU guys statistically is late 30's and early 40's. DEVGRU also has EOD guys who are not SEALS.
maxximumforce 8 months ago
@maxximumforce They also incorporate AF CCTs and PJs into their Teams for their specialty skills.
seancul55 8 months ago
the tier system is bullshit, DEVGRU operators are usually in their late 20s and early 30s, wouldn't a “regular” 30 year old SEAL be as capable as a DEVGRU SEAL? Yes they do have a different selection course but if you're a SEAL you already passed BUDS, hell week, SQT, etc. what can possibly stop them from joining this team?
vegamarco4 8 months ago
@vegamarco4 They're looking for military experience. They also wanted to keep them for as long as they can because training a tier 1 operator costs a fortunate. So they want you to stay on the team for at least 2yrs, most stay for more than that.
hag12100 8 months ago
@vegamarco4 Are you serious? The difference is that Devgru each year might hold tryouts for 10 spots, and 150 SEALs try out, but only the 10 are selected through Green Team training. The difference between a Devgru operator (which average age is actually mid-30s with many in early 40s and VERY FEW in 20s) and "regular" SEAL (all SEALs are elite) may not seem that big to you, but in reality operationally is huge. Less than a 16th of SEALs are in Devgru (2500 SEALs, 150 Devgru).
seancul55 8 months ago
@seancul55 No one knows how many DEVGRU operators there are. Stop pulling number out of your ass.
BXAssasinatorXS 3 months ago
@BXAssasinatorXS Maybe if you actually read you would be able to pick up some info from a REAL operator's words. 150 is the rough estimate of how many DEVGRU operators there are, well minus 21 from the crash this summer.... RIP heroes.
seancul55 3 months ago
@vegamarco4 And Devgru operators receive specialized CQC and CT training that the other SEALs simply do not.
seancul55 8 months ago
@seancul55 oh really how much more specialized can it possibly be, what they specialize at is counter terrorism and hostage rescue so reasonably that would be their major focus.
vegamarco4 8 months ago
@vegamarco4 Aaaaaaaand what exactly does CT and HR entail??? An EXPERT proficiency in CQC!!! To give you an idea, it is well known that DEVGRU operators (~150 total) expend more ammo on the shooting range in 1 year than the ENTIRE Marine Corps. DEVGRU operators also have access to ANY military school in the world, and are deployed 300 days a year (MUCH more experience, training, and CQC proficiency). All SEALs are great, but simple numbers dictate that only the top 16th of SEALs are DEVGRU.
seancul55 8 months ago
@seancul55 You idiot, if a "normal" SEAL is a master at direct action why in the hell would they get downgraded CQC training? doesn't make any fucking sense. About the shooting range, I've heard about it before but it talked about Special Forces in general not DEVGRU. The rest of the shit you said I have no idea get you got that from.
vegamarco4 8 months ago
@vegamarco4 Thanks for the insult... real mature. They don't get "downgraded" CQC training, but they don't have CQC as their main focus, and they don't train it as much or delve in as deeply, as "normal" SEALs prepare for EVERYTHING, not just CT and HR mission. Obviously DEVGRU does more than just CT and HR (Mogadishu '93 for example), but they ARE still SEALs and have all the skills the other SEALs do. The thing is that they are full go full time deployed 300 days a year.
seancul55 8 months ago
@vegamarco4 cont. It's just like practice, the more you perform or practice, the better you get. That's why guys in DEVGRU burn out after 5 years or so - the tempo is just too much after a while. Think when NFL RBs turn 30. And I was wrong on the ammo comment. Turns out ST6 burns more PISTOL ammo in one year than the ENTIRE Marine Corps burns on ALL ammo. Type "seal team 6 more ammo than marine corps" in google. You will find a zillion direct quotes saying such.
seancul55 8 months ago
@vegamarco4 And if you bothered to read before insulting people on youtube, you'd know everything I say is true. Read SEAL Team 6 by Howard Wasdin. He's kind of annoying in how he portrays himself as God of the Universe, but it accurately portrays the differences between SEALs and DEVGRU. All SEALs are great, but simple MATH dictates that only the (less than) top 16th of ALL SEALs make it through Green Team to DEVGRU. Once there, they focus on CQC and have the doors open at every school. Dur
seancul55 8 months ago
@vegamarco4 "I was told that in one year, SEAL Team Six alone spent more money just on 9mm ammunition than the entire Marine Corps spent on all its ammunition.”
- Howard Wasdin, ex-SEAL Team 6 Sniper, Author of SEAL Team Six
seancul55 8 months ago
@seancul55 it was Mercinko who said that in Rogue Warrior.
maxximumforce 8 months ago
@maxximumforce Marcinko may have said the same sort of thing in RW, but that's actually a direct quote from SEAL Team Six by Howard Wasdin. We're sayin the same thing though, so no biggie lol. Funnily enough, if you read ST6 you'll see that today's DEVGRU operators are actually ANNOYED by Marcinko's outlandish behavior.
seancul55 8 months ago
@seancul55 I can believe that. He was a bit childish.
maxximumforce 8 months ago
Let's clear some things up. "Tier 1" is a term for AMERICAN units with this mission. Not SAS or Spetznaz, they are from different countries. However they do the same things and are on par with them.
Tier 1s perform CLANDESTINE operations, not "Black Ops" you COD fags. The only thing close to "black ops" in the real world is COVERT operations (shut up 390). But those are handled by the CIA, however, the goals of these mission somewhat overlap and the Tier 1s and CIA often work together.
MaverickWhig 10 months ago 2
My neighbor has a seal team 6 sticker on his car, but was never in the military. Is that legal? He also has a t shirt that says something like Seal Team - class 2xx
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 iam sure its legal. but if a true navy seal saw it and questioned him. then he would get his ass kicked. in the navy only real navy seals can wear the trident or navy seal stuff
marbito11 10 months ago
i herd members of the unit where on the ground too
xsvegosl66 10 months ago
should of sent in the SAS though , they would of got the job done properly without all this conspirac crap! no SF reg on earth is the standard of the SAS.
bcoy1para 10 months ago
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@bcoy1para they got the job done, what more do you want
vSWAGGERv 10 months ago
@bcoy1para How did the Navy SEALs not get the job done properly?
Tree0rnament 10 months ago
@bcoy1para DEVGRU, Delta (called A.C.E. now... or C.A.G.), Spetnaz, GIGN, S.A.S., K.S.K., Sayeret Mat'kal , S.A.D. ... these are ALL tier one special operation forces. Now, while you can speculate (because that is all it is... you are just talking out of your ass) on who is better, the fact of the matter is the DEVGRU were the ones that were called up and got it done. Any of these teams could have gotten it done.
garzac7815 10 months ago
Usama's Last words " Would someone get the door?"
severecracker 10 months ago 2
I think the Virginia Farm Boys/ CAG had a role in this operation. Those of you that also served in the spec ops community with me know what im talking about.
MrBahamamomma 10 months ago
@MrBahamamomma doubt it. SEAL's were enough, they would have either totally used delta or not at all
oJKBo 10 months ago
@MrBahamamomma I agree, rumors are already bouncing around that Delta was on the ground alongside their Devgru counterparts
kterris1 10 months ago
@kterris1 im sure they were
fisherking100 10 months ago
@fisherking100 I know brad thor seems to think so, though he is a fiction writer he is very well connected with that community. and I agree with him
kterris1 10 months ago
@kterris1 - Of course the Delta Force would have been there.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 haha, yup, the media just started saying Seals because they don't know any better, and no one told them it was actually the seals
kterris1 10 months ago
these are the guys that killed bin laden
jiwooji 10 months ago
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SAS / SBS WANNABEEEEEEEEEEES
ITS GREAT how the Brits dont give a fuck about looking tough, macho or big like most other armies, and just quietly and confidently get on with killing every scumbag put up against them. Their is no equal.
If you want quality with history, look no further than the father of special forces....SAS
sim0b 11 months ago
what type of mission would devgru be called in for that seals wouldn't, being that both train for counterrorism and hostage rescue ?
shumfup 1 year ago
@shumfup DEVGRU performs Black Ops which means that only a selct group of people know about their missions. They get their orders directly from the president or other high place people. I personally think they are sent on missions the rescue a high placed ambassador or other high placed people or capture a dictator alive.
Hope this answers your question...
Subject0ne 11 months ago
i'm reading alot about special forces and i'd like to know what missions would devgru be assigned to that "regular" seals wouldn't. i ask because just like devgru i've read that seals also do hostage resue and counterterrorism.
shumfup 1 year ago
@shumfup
Navy SEALs and things like that are all Special Operations. Only Green Berets are special forces.
drothefuture 1 year ago
@drothefuture - You are right, Green Berets are SPECIAL FORCES. Navy SEALs, Delta Force, Marine Recon, Green Berets (Special Forces), Army Rangers, Air Force Para-rescue, Air Force 1st Air Commando's, and (I know I'm missing some units) are all SPECIAL OPERATIONS....or Spec. Ops. Good point, a small play on words, but a big difference none the less. You also have your Tier 1 Spec. Ops. which includes SEAL team 6 (or DEVGRU) and Delta Force....And then there's the shit we don't even know about!!!
TopGun8993 10 months ago 2
@TopGun8993 The Washington Post wrote an article in 2006 saying the FBI had looked into the bin laden 911 links, and concluded he had nothing to do with it. That is why OBL was not on the FBI's most wanted list for 911. Of course, if you are going to start a few wars that will cost taxpayers a few trillion to wage, it is a good idea to name a bad guy. Those trillions of extra debt will be the responsibilty of future generations to service. 911 benefited the war merchants. nobody else.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 - I think its been established that Bin Laden was linked to 911. It sounds a little "conspiracy theory" that he had nothing to do with it. There's also people who think our government was in on taking down the twin towers. You have the right to believe all that, I don't buy it.
TopGun8993 10 months ago
@TopGun8993 - According to a source of mine, on 9/12/2001 roughly 80% of ALL FBI agents or 8,000 were assigned to work on terror related matters. Vacations were pulled and overtime the norm.
There were NO legitimate terror cells EVER found in America. None. And they NEVER could find any link to OBL. How is that a conspiracy? OBL issued a tape on 9/20-2001 saying he had nothing to do with it.
US Gov told all media outlets not to play it. why? It had messages for sleeper cells in USA
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 - part 2- That is just pure bs. The video was played in Europe. On Ocotber 25, 2001 a tape of OBL emerges saying he did it! Problem was the idiots who made it forgot OBL was left handed. He is writing in the video using his right hand and wearing a gold ring ( taboo for muslims). Does it strike you as odd Bush did all he could to prevent a 911 commission from investigating the crime. Bush was hiding the truth from americans and 84% now think the gov played some role.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 bin laden on several times came out and bragged to the whole world about he did.
marbito11 10 months ago
@marbito11 - Bin laden relased tapes on Sept 20 ( 775 words) and Oct 7 ( 2300 words) . Both time he denied any involvement in 911. He also made heavy use of the words God and Mohammed in those tapes. Tape 1 mentions God 16 times and Mohammed 3 times. Tape 2 mentions God 28 times and Mohammed 8 times. That is what you would expect from a devout Muslim. Tape 3 ( Nov 9) is 2300 words and mention God 2 times and Mohammed....not once! The tape is phony. CIA refuses to say where they found it!
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 - part 2-
The closet thing to EVIDENCE is a statement made by Tony Blair in October 2001 when he says there is hard evidence tying OBL to 911. When asked what it was he said it was classified and had been provided to him by USA. cute. He's lying. If there is evidence the US should tell the taxpayers what it is. The Taliban offered to turn him over IF they could see what evidence the USA had to prove his involvement. Tell me what you can refer me to. CIA & BUSH liars.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 the man sat wit his right hand man and bragg to the whole world how he did it. silly me i thought i was going to have a coversation with sane person
marbito11 10 months ago
@marbito11 - Except there is just one problem The FBI declared those videos fake. You must be with counter intell psych ops. You fool nobody. The cover up of 911 will not be swept under the rug Mr
Boris.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 he has said on various videos that he declares war on the u.s and that he predicts a black day in america. he brags about 9/11. KSM was involved in 93 world trade bombing. the shoe bomber.the uss cole bombings, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi :bin ladens main man in iraq. what more evidence do you want? bin laden is not a cia agent and his not a character. his a terrorist that wanted to kill americans and SAD/DEVGRU got him.
marbito11 10 months ago
@marbito11 - Oh you forgot one big point, they attacked us because they hate our freedoms.
You still have not offered any evidence bin laden is connected to 911. For that, you need to look at Dick cheney and mossad. bin laden CIA name was tim Osman. Wake up
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 tim osman was a code name for bin laden when the cia was working with the mujahadeen. the cia did worked with bin laden when bin laden wasnt a international terrorist.
marbito11 10 months ago
@marbito11 -hahahaha. CIA kicked out the democratically elected president of Indonesia in 1967, and installed a dictator. That dictator with American help and funding, killed 1,500,000 innocent civilians.
That was covered up until 1995, when the US government operation was declassified. Tell me again who the real terroists are.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@the the cia was never involved in the coup . the cia had black propaganda against the communist party and gave a them a list of the communist. i never said the cia wasnt dirty. but call the government terrorist is extreme. if you dont like america than leave. i would rather have a undocumented worker who loves this country than a unpatrioctic like you
marbito11 10 months ago
@marbito11 - Wrong. The declassified docs show CIA planned, funded and helped coordinate the coup.
Of course they did the same in 20 Central American nations as well. Since 2000, America has been ruled by Neo Con Bolsheviks who are even more lawless than the extreme radical nationalists who ran the military / gov from 1945-2000. I am a 9th generation American. You must be a talmudist.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@390bullitt1968 Iam not a jew. my parents are from el salvador. central america does not have 20 nations. the cia only organized 1 coup in guatemala. my parents have lived through war, they say communist are main reason why the whole war started. it economically held the county back 30 years. its becoming quiet apperent that your not thinking rationally when you called me a jew and that our country was ran by "extreme radical nationalist". end of conversation
marbito11 10 months ago
@marbito11 el Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Peru, and the list goes on an on. The point is democratically elected governments were elected then overthrown by CIa backed rebels. the extreme radical nationalists are the Neo Cons who took power in 2000 in USA.
390bullitt1968 10 months ago
@marbito11 Just quit arguing with him. He's obviously just a troll trying to waste everybody's time, he won't even admit that the numbers of nations in central America isn't 20, which makes him laughable.
MaverickWhig 10 months ago
@MaverickWhig your right this guy is crazy
marbito11 10 months ago
@marbito11 I just checked his profile, he only follows RT as his primary news source it seems. RT receives around 2 billion in rubles from the Russian Federal Budget every year. Their stated mission is to simply broadcast the Russian point of view of current events and nothing else. Essentially this man has been following the 21st century version of Pravda like it was the bible and believes anything they say. Which is sad. That is why he doesn't know shit about anything practically.
MaverickWhig 10 months ago
@MaverickWhig
I hear you. Russia Today used to be okay, but after a while they got ridiculously anti-American. They are like the Russian Fox News now. And i'm from Europe.
Troublesome2008 10 months ago
Lots of arguments on the word "tier". No one has mentioned the fact that a "Tier 1" unit is one that is on 24hour alert, has a short amount of time to be "wheels up" and enroute, is always packed and ready to go. Tier 2 units have more time, and so on for Tier 3.
SonOfGillean 1 year ago
the SEALs with the balclavas and mp5s thats my airsoft loadout i hav every thing that they hav but my mp5 is an mp5sd
ZaproProductions 1 year ago
SOCOM music bitch
daboodeef179 1 year ago
Anyone know whats happening to the member of Seal Team 6 who killed the British hostage with frag grenade?
banoffee2001 1 year ago
@banoffee2001 assuming the grenade really did kill her, probably courtmartialed or retrained
mycroftOwns 1 year ago
@mycroftOwns From all the reports I;ve come across,its pretty safe to assume the grenade did kill her.Autopsy done in the UK.One report says the militant actually tried to shield her. But I hope the guy doesnt get courtmartialed.That wouldnt be right. The guy must be getting some sleepless nights. Retrain for sure,not just him,but they must all re-evaluate the situation and learn lessons from it. Hardest situation to deal with.
banoffee2001 1 year ago
@banoffee2001 yea, but im not in charge of it so i dunno. I wouldn't have courtmartialed him but you never know since i doubt any trials (if there are any) would be publicized. I mean he made an honest mistake so its not really his fault, and i wasn't there so I don't know what was going on. I would hedge my bet on retraining.
mycroftOwns 1 year ago
the music sounds so familiar!? is this from Socom?
iiAnferny 1 year ago
not all these guys are devgru.
TheBrookstm 1 year ago
DEVGRU headquarters is 15 min from my house at little creek done construction work and seen a few of them seals. much respect
SeanRVCA 1 year ago
lame, there's no way of knowing that these guys are DEVGRU
BazeBaller1 1 year ago
@BazeBaller1 the only way you can tell are if they're guarding a person of high importance and have there eyes or faces blocked out....like the President of afghanistan, the ones guarding him a DEVGRU operators
Youngmarine0109 1 year ago
Kid nevered served in the SOF community nor trained with one and I hear is the word, "tier. tier. and tier again" kid stfu the pentagon wasnt even the one who catergorized the tiers so fuck up and stop acting like u know wat ur talkin about
mswoonc 1 year ago
What's the name of music in this video ?
MrBalkers 1 year ago
@blowingrapesss Lol your a typical kid who plays too much COD, who made up these tiers, I can bet my ass pentagon didnt, it was some kid who fantasizes about the SOF community... Stop using tiers as an excuse, you suck on Delta's dick too much.
mswoonc 1 year ago
Seals are raiding/scuba demo spec ops teams (as their main speciality), rangers are light infantry. First is SOF second is light infantry SO capable. Nuff said.
smoku46 1 year ago
i happen to know a couple of people out of delta and dev group and have had the honor to train with them as tigerswan is made up of them. leon is ex delta and kyle is ex dev group. both are 2nd to none. u have to be the best to even get a shot at either of them and then roughly only 5% make the final cut. if u want to see what they can do then search tigerswan and see for yourself
esanders79 1 year ago
stop your bitching 29thID
jason000666000 1 year ago
i'm starting to read my old comments, and other idiots comments... I've come to conclusion that, past a certain point of training, no matter what group you're in, be it the SEALs, Delta, SBS, SAS, JTF2, KSK, once you reach the peak of training, and you're as elite as you can be, you can take on any threat. They're all amazing special forces, and tbh, making it into any one of these SF units is a landmark is a man's life. They can work together, so why are WE arguing? >.>
MadamKouassi 1 year ago
@MadamKouassi I don't know why everyone wants to argue like we're all not on the same team... I beleive that Delta, SAS, Devgru, JTF-2, and USAF Pararescue are pretty much "Modern Spartans"... They can not be defeated
w33d0wnz69 1 year ago
@w33d0wnz69 I know, right?
We all work together. We all have highly fucking capable special forces.
I suppose everyone roots for the home team, which is part of the reason I vote for the SAS. I also know what kind of shit they do, and they do EVERYTHING. There's nothing they can't or won't do.
But anyway, Doesn't matter which SF unit named here is out in the field, they're all gonna get the job done.
I'd leave a quote here in Latin, but I don't speak Latin. lol
MadamKouassi 1 year ago
@MadamKouassi Yeah I've just always gave my best wishes to all spec ops from The U.S., U.K., Israel, Germany, France, Austraillia, and Canada because they all have pretty much the best Special Ops Forces I can think of...
w33d0wnz69 1 year ago
@w33d0wnz69 Good for you, man. =]
Nice to see someone who appreciates everyone for their abilities and for the fact that they're out their working, living and dying together, regardless of where they come from.
MadamKouassi 1 year ago
@MadamKouassi Yeah I support every nation that means well... I believe we all should do what's right for the better of the world... And when a country puts the man hours into training a special unit to liberate those oppressed I think that's simply the most noble thing for humans to do...
w33d0wnz69 1 year ago
Seal Team six are the Elite of the world. Probably more so than even SAS.
bottle2lip 1 year ago
You cant compare rangers against SEALs anyways there not even the same type of troops. Rangers are just advanced and more highly trained infantry soldiers SEALs are Spec Ops they are like Marine Recon. Force Recon and SEALs are more of a comparison rather than Rangers and SEALs at least Recon Marines do the same shit as SEALs. lol jesus people learn some shit before giving out opinions
ZAC2994 1 year ago
"Know for sure"
mswoonc 1 year ago
@blowingrapesss so you're telling me a Delta Force member can swim 10 miles, and take over a oil rig. Cause I know for a SEAL can and the fact that SEALs can do everything a Delta member can do.
mswoonc 1 year ago
@mswoonc That's exactly what I'm saying..They may not "specialize" in Maritime operations but that wasn't my point to begin with. I'm saying any Delta operator could pass DEVGRU training and selection if they went that route. If you think one group is more fit, or more elite than the other than you are a moron, and shows just how little you know about what type of groups they really are. And how do you know for a fact? Why was Delta the chosen group when they thought they had binladen cornered?
BlowinGrapesss 1 year ago
it doesnt matter which is better, if its an American Special Forces team you will be thouroghly raped.
SamuraiPie8111 1 year ago
What's the name of the song?
Thanks!
YaYCreeC 1 year ago
@YaYCreeC a song from SOCOM, a ps2 game
SamuraiPie8111 1 year ago
Stop arguing over whos better guys, its obvious that the "SEAL Recon scuba rangers" are the best. Not many people know about them since they are black ops. Hoorayaha!
Jakmehauf 1 year ago
Ok, just to set things straight- anyone out there arguing about which special forces branch is better, and who is more important, obviously is not a member of the community. There is some joking to the other teams about being better than each other, but its all in good fun. EVERY operator respects all the other operators, because we know that were all at the top of our game, and that includes the other nations special forces.
eodtech89 1 year ago
The difference between the operators is their mission set. An operator is going to excel at any mission, which is what sets operators apart from everyone else. EOD, SEAL, SWCC, ARMY SOF, MARINE RECON, AIR FORCE PJS, British SAS & SBS and all the other special groups of america and her allies- I have love for everyone of you, because we all share the common goal. "INITIAL SUCCESS OR TOTAL FAILURE" HOOYA!
eodtech89 1 year ago
Ooooookay, time to clear this up:
Rangers and Marine Recon are Tier Three SpecOps units. Essentially just in-shape grunts with cool toys.
Regular SEALs, Green Berets, AF Special Tactics, and MARSOC are Tier Two. Like Tier Three, but more reliant on wits.
Delta, SEAL Six, the AF 24th Special Tactics Squadron, and CIA Special Activities are Tier One. These are your BAMF black ops guys.
Marcinko's first book was non-fiction; the rest are fiction.
Hopefully this resolves some of the argument.
thetruemagicalnegro 2 years ago 4
You forgot to mention CIA SOG, ISA (grey wolf). and I forgot what the other two were. But yes your completely right. Finally someone who knows their shit.
Jakmehauf 2 years ago
I only actually found out recently that SOG was a subdivision of Special Activities and that there was a political action group within SAD, so Jakmehauf is right, I should have clarified. And ISA, as well. Apparently, NSA actually has some kind of SpecOps group in conjunction with CIA that looks like the kind of shit that you'd see on Splinter Cell, but that could just be rumors and hearsay.
thetruemagicalnegro 2 years ago
well technically speaking SOG is nt a sub didvision just a whole other one. SAD consisits of rangers army sf (also known as Green Berets), 1st SFO-D and possibly 1st SFO- E. SOG consists of mainly SEALS, NSWDG operators. But they do cross training. Ive heard about the NSA have SpecOps but im still researching it. Planning on joining SEALS myself then NSWDG and finally SOG.
Jakmehauf 2 years ago
Hmm...that's a first...what I read was SAD having a political action group and a covert action group (the latter being the Special Operations Group). And I've never heard of SFOD-E...
on the NSA front, if I'm not mistaken, it's called the Special Collections Service, but I found that on Wikipedia, so take that as you will...
Best of luck on being an operator, though :)
thetruemagicalnegro 2 years ago
1st SFO-E is echo group. probablly some of the most highly trained and physically fit units in the world. You wont find anything on them on the net. Ima have to go back to do more research on the whole SAD SOG thing. Thanks man =]
Jakmehauf 2 years ago
watch and comment the video i just uploaded
shushi1234 2 years ago
@thetruemagicalnegro Rangers and Marine Recon aren't 'grunts' saying that they are grunts is like calling them stupid which they aren't
connor72595 2 years ago
@connor72595 I used to be a grunt, aka infantryman aka 11B, and I can tell you, Marine Recon and Rangers are grunts. Very fit, well trained, and well-equipped grunts, but they're grunts. They're not operators.
thetruemagicalnegro 2 years ago
@thetruemagicalnegro thats kind of true, I just think the term grunt is more of an insult so to say
connor72595 2 years ago
@connor72595 I know a MFR Marine and yes, he considers himself a grunt. When people ask him what he does in the USMC he says he's a grunt, he doesn't say recon. I don't know if it's the same in the Army. The only reason anyone argues or even cares about Rangers vs. MFR is because of COD, just like back when SOCOM came out everyone all of the sudden was a future SEAL.
AlBunyan 1 year ago
@AlBunyan Haha thats true, but are the 75th Rangers bigger then MFR? just wondering
connor72595 1 year ago
Just made it worst... Too many retards on YT can't deigest this... You forgot JSOC, and there isn't really a "Tier 2" or "Tier 3" their just Rangers and Force Recon. Remember JSOC is the highest level, basically just a bunch of Tier 1 guys fighting together...
Oxstayne 2 years ago
@Oxstayne
I didn't forget JSOCJSOC = Delta, SEAL Six, ISA, 24th Special Tactics Squadron. I didn't say JSOC by name, but I did include the important elements. The Tier system isn't official, but it's widely accepted.
thetruemagicalnegro 2 years ago
@thetruemagicalnegro You have it all wrong dumbfuck. The "tier one" as you want to call them... those guys? Yeah those are the guys that we don't know about. Delta, DEVGRU, AF 24th etc. Those guys? Those are just the highest "tiered" guys that we (rarely) even hear about. Your "BAMF black ops guys"... who knows who they are?
Corzizzle 1 year ago
@Corzizzle Um…are you a member of the special ops community? Do you know a member of the special ops community? No? Then shut the fuck up, bitch. Go outside and play with your GI Joes, because this is an adult conversation, little boy.
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro Holy fuck. Its so funny, because someone who is not a member of the special ops community is calling out someone else who is not a member of it. So what makes your opinion different than mine?
Do you honestly believe the military doesn't have anyone higher than Delta and Devgru to call on? Sure they are up there.... REALLY high up there. But there are movies about them, people know about them. When you want to talk about that really classified stuff we aren't supposed
Corzizzle 1 year ago
@Corzizzle
Let's get something straight. I've worked with special operations before. I've known people from that community. And I've done so much research, I'll probably forget more about that community than you'll ever learn. So I don't need some cake-eating civilian trying to tell me about subject I'm pretty knowledgable about.
But besides the point. You want to be treated like an adult, come at me like an adult, with respect. Otherwise I'll treat you like the retarded piece of shit you are.
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro Come at you with respect? What warrants me respecting you? I disagreed with you, and you call me a cake eating civilian. No, you have not worked with ANY of the special operations community at any time in your life. "I've done so much research." You sound like every other military reject out there, you couldn't get in so you become a keyboard warrior who thinks he is knowledgeable on a subject because he read a book or two and viewed a couple websites but just never could
Corzizzle 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro Just never could make it. Also, the fact that you participate in internet arguments with people just proves the point more that you are lying. People like you who try to gain respect or credit for things they have not accomplished are so disgusting. Someone professional enough to work with personnel in the special operations community would not act the way you are. I could claim to work with special forces too. You know why I don't?
RESPECT
I respect the men who DO it. Fool.
Corzizzle 1 year ago
@Corzizzle
All I've got to say is, it sure take a lot of balls to talk the shit you're talking from behind that computer screen. Especially calling me a liar. That's not something I take kindly to. But you do it from the safety of behind your computer. Enjoy that safety. Someday, you'll open that big mouth of yours at the wrong time and you won't have anonymity to protect you.
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro I'm not talking shit. I'm calling out a liar. That's all.
Corzizzle 1 year ago
@Corzizzle Right…because you were there with me in Baghdad and are in a position to dispute my claim. Oh, wait, that's right, you weren't…you're a civilian cockbreath that doesn't know how to show respect to veterans. Doom on you, asshole.
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro I thought rangers were tier two? Are they really tier three?
MshadowsenseoC 1 year ago
@MshadowsenseoC Yep, since they're technically a type of special operations (special operations light infantry is their designation), but they don't have the specialty training that Special Forces, SEALs, Air Force Special Tactics, or MARSOC have. To put it bluntly, Rangers are really high speed, in-shape grunts (and I use the term grunt as one of endearment, being an 11B myself :) )
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro Oke thnx dude. thanks for telling me :)
MshadowsenseoC 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro Ohyea one more thing, if they really are tier three. How can soldiers from the 75th ranger regiment become 1stSFOD-D? or is that something I am wrong about? Becaue I think its strange that a tier three unit can be recruited for a tier one unit, if you know what i mean. Sry for bothering you with al these questions, but its on my mind :P
MshadowsenseoC 1 year ago
@MshadowsenseoC Not a problem :) The thing with Delta is that they'll take anybody if you show that you have what they're looking for. You don't have to do time in a Tier Three or Tier Two unit to make it into Delta. Conceivably, you could be a cook and go to Delta selection, and if they want you, they will give you the training to become a Tier One operator. Delta just wants to know you have what it takes, and they'll take care of the rest.
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro There was a guy from the 82nd Airborne that passed Delta Selection Process, but was not excepted to join Delta or one of their Squadrons during the review board. They told him to spend some time in Special Forces (Green Berets) and come back and try again. You can be a STUD and they still wont except you, unless they want you and have the resume to back it up. So, NO "Cooks" in Delta. 95% (or more) of Delta Operators come from the 75th or Special Forces background or both.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery The cooks thing was just a hypothetical…the point I was making is, they're not going to disbar anybody just based off their MOS. It's not like Delta will only take people with Ranger or SF backgrounds-they have recruited from other combat arms and non-combat arms branches. But do you have a much better chance, coming from Ranger Batt or SF? Most definitely
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro You are correct, sir. Put it this way, every Delta Operator that has been KIA since 2001 has either served in the 75th Rangers, Special Forces (Green Berets) or both at sometime in their career, now that's saying a lot, as to what Delta is looking for. May they Rest In Peace.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@MshadowsenseoC It just so happens that most of Delta's recruits come from Special Forces and the Ranger Regiment because those guys have already proven themselves to be outstanding soldiers and have a background in special operations. But it certainly doesn't disqualify anyone outside those units from applying. Hope this helps :)
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro I understand now, thnx and have a great day :)
MshadowsenseoC 1 year ago
@MshadowsenseoC @thetruemagicalnegro 75th Rangers are a Tier 2 unit NOT 3. I hope you guys know Rangers work closely with Delta and DEVGRU and fall under "JSOC" as well as "SOCOM". Rangers took part in the "Linda Norgrove Hostage Rescue" with DEVGRU. They are a well funded unit (Tier 2) because they work at a high level, so they need the best equipment and training.
Rangers = Tier 2
SEALs = Tier 2
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery
Black pahters are tier 1.
vnck25 1 year ago
@thetruemagicalnegro Wrong. Rangers and Marine Recon are Tier Two. And Seals are technically Tier One.. DEVGRU /ST6 are pretty much the same thing as 'normal' Seals. Their missions are a little more classified. Just because they do it doesn't mean a regular seal can't do it.. Technically everyone's Tier One, it's more based on classification. The sad thing is, you can't be in any of the Spec Ops groups you listed because of your arrogance and your retardation. Thanks.
ssDaNss 1 year ago
@ssDaNss
I will stand corrected…the information I read before said Rangers were Tier Three, but what I'm reading here is, they're basing the tiers more off of the black/white dichotomy. That maintains that JSOC's Special Mission Units (SEAL Six, Delta, etc) are Black and Tier One, while everyone else in USSOCOM is Tier Two.
Riddle me this, though-if SEAL Team Six is the same as the regular Teams, why is there a separate selection process for SEAL Six?
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@ssDaNss
As for calling me a retard…enjoy the anonymity of the computer in your mother's basement, kid.
thetruemagicalnegro 1 year ago
@ssDaNss True and not true.. What people don;t understand is that just cause there is DEVGRU doesn't mean a SEAL is not Tier 1... All SEALs are Tier 1... even a former ranger I know admitted SEALs being better than rangers.. he said all rangers did was protect an asset, bodygaurd.. not the typical Delta/SEALs missions they do like clandestine, intel, direct action missions that SEALs and Delta do...
mswoonc 1 year ago
@mswoonc Sorry buddy, not all SEALs are Tier 1, only DEVGRU because they are part of JSOC. If you knew what the Tier system is used for, you wouldn't be saying that. It's not used for a dick measuring, either.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery Wow here we go again.. some idiot not even in the military nor know anything of JSOC talking out of his aass about DEVGRU... Kid your sooo freaking stupid, If it came down to Marine Force Recon, SEALs, Rangers, Pararescue, any SOF in the world would choose SEALs.. A DEVGRU is a SEAL, if a SEAL from Team 3 did not tryout for the DEVGRU but went on a mission with a DEVGRU he can sure damn do it, definately not a ranger.. Can you stop talking?
mswoonc 1 year ago
@mswoonc I believe you're that stupid idiot. A Ranger will go on a mission with DEVGRU before a "white" SEAL Team will, FACT! Let me give you an example, most recently; The Linda Norgrove Hostage Rescue. Oh, here's another one, Jessica lynch Hostage Rescue. Please explain to me the Tier system because it seems to me you have no clue why it's there and used for. You sound like a Navy SEAL Fanboy.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery KID WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Why the fuck would a SEAL team be called in after a Ranger dumbass. and why the fuck do you even bring up lynch/norgrove, thats a new whole new fucking topic idiot. You watchhh wayyy to much videos and rely on a typica COD comments on tiers. Delta would rather work with a SEAL team than other other units in JSOC, SEALs too. And kid in norgrove mission, SEALs success rate is legendary compared to any other unit, fucking up one mission dont mean shit.
mswoonc 1 year ago
@mswoonc What are you talking about? You didn't answer my question. I brought up those mission because you said a guy from SEAL Team 3 can do the same missions at the same level of expertise as guy form DEVGRU can do, which is FALSE. So, I guess Rangers can do the same missions DEVGRU/Delta can do, according to you. Delta will never work with a "white" SEAL Team. You my friend have been watching way to many Navy SEAL videos.
Didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery Rangers do much different missions than what Delta typically are assigned. I know they work together but different mission priorities are involved. I'll say this. Nobody brings more firepower to a mission than what the Rangers do while Delta brings stealth.
cbiwv 1 year ago
@cbiwv Yup, Rangers/Delta/DEVGRU operate on the 'black side'. When SEAL Team 6 raided a compound that they thought Al Zarqawi was hiding, they took Rangers along with them, not know "vanilla" SEAL Team. I find it funny how "mswoonc" is saying SEALs are better than Rangers and all Rangers is "bodyguard", hahah, which is BULLSHIT.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery I know the SEALS that attended Ranger school felt it was pretty difficult especially the starvation phase.
cbiwv 1 year ago
@cbiwv Ranger School is a very tough school, but from what I hear from Rangers that served in the 75th, RIP/RASP is 100 times more difficult and the attrition rate is a lot higher compared to Ranger School.
I read that book, a wonderful book to say the least. Definitely an eye opener. It just proves Delta is light-years ahead any other unit in terms of capabilities and training in that environment. And what those Rangers did on "Roberts Ridge" was just remarkable.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery I think alot of that has to do with alot of underqualified candidates not making the cut in RIP/RASP. The attrition rate is going to be higher in those schools you mentioned. Ranger school is composed of soldiers who are expected to make it through, however, half of them do not.
cbiwv 1 year ago
@cbiwv I heard Ranger School was going to be added to the "75th Ranger Regiment" selection process. Meaning you will go to your Battalion after Ranger School, not after RASP.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery Read Not a good Day to Die. There are some eye openers in that book. The truth exposed about some of these SOFs and who in fact performs at the highest level.
cbiwv 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery Delta and DEVGRU are black side. Rangers are gray
SoonToBeSWCC 1 year ago
@SoonToBeSWCC Rangers operate on the "black side" as while as the gray, white or whatever you want to call it. The reason they operate on the "black" side is because these guys are used frequently by JSOC and are supporting Delta/DEVGRU missions.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery 75th Rangers are gray Tier 2. Tier 1's are DEVGRU, Delta, and AF 24th Special Tactics Squadron.
SoonToBeSWCC 1 year ago
@SoonToBeSWCC ...and CIA's SAD.
Da40cal 1 year ago
@miZZZzzzery mswoonc needs a talking to by don shipley. He's a guy that has been playing call of duty way to fucking much and think he's knows everything. With his attitude we won't even make basic training much less buds
TheSammyreynolds 10 months ago
@mswoonc SEALs are harder end of story .Much as I respect Rangers. its a state of fact.. its like saying Moon is brighter than the Sun, which is obviously not true. My friend is going into Force Recon and me the SEALs. and trust me, he is one cocky kid but even he knows. SEALs training is harder than Force Recon. SEALs basic training is longer. But the thing is. getting INTO force recon training is harder but training is easier, SEALs is easier to get into but harder in training.
mswoonc 1 year ago
@mswoonc It's a matter of personal preference. Both are difficult in their own ways. Anything involving water is going to challenging, it's human nature. Good luck at BUD/S.
miZZZzzzery 1 year ago
@mswoonc nice...the seals?cool my brothers gonna try sas:P
ErrantFunSeeker 1 year ago
@mswoonc
Well Pararescue training is harder then SEALs... Naowwut?
drothefuture 1 year ago