You believe in God? Then you should believe in Santa Claus too. lol It's just silly, really, but if it makes you feel better and doesn't hurt anyone, believe in whatever you choose.
I don't agree with " why a few suffer", actually the majority suffers & they live in Africa & Asia. Most live in squalid conditions. only a few have it good.
@LetMeTellUSomething0 That's a cruel excuse. look at how many children as well as adults die needlessly die in a day due to lack of very basic food & medicine that costs only a couple of $. UN statistics.
THERE IS NO GOD WISH PEOPLE WOULD WAKE UP WHY WOULD A SO CALLED GOD LET A CHILD DIE BEFORE THERE PARENTS WISH PEOPLE WOULD JUST WAKE UP PLEASE .ALL RELIGION IS ABOUT POWER AND MONEY
....our suffering is because of a legal point that arose when Eve first ate from the Tree of Knowledge. Either God allowed us to die off and the Creation of man to fail or he finds a way to redeem us legally. He found the way to keep us 2000 years ago by allowing the sacrifice of Jesus, the real question is why has he not judged us, why is He waiting? There are clues that may answer this question but we have been left out of this part of the story probably because it is a heavenly matter.
@boatlady5 A loving God gave us a free will , just as He gave you a free will. What your mother did was her choice, not God's. If God stopped every sin then we would all be in cages. Do you want God to take away your free will and force you to only do good?
Agreed! Lyrics for an original (had to cut some out for space): God knows... it just ain't fair to him He makes it all a mess and let's us sink or swim That's why... we live and die I question those who suffer did defy We go... on with our lives unseen We wonder what we've done regarded as unclean I rage... undeserving pain Their born and barely live for someone else's gain Lies, deception make the pledge Either one is on the edge World begotten of a son World forgotten left for one
Who said god is loving? Bible and Qu'ran both filled with a pissed off, wrathful, god. one who wipes out cities. one who answers christian prayers of "shaking Japan", one who picks on poor countries like Haiti. I don't think even religeious people believe god is loving from the looks of videos hailing allah and god as powerful when he eats up a car in a sink hole.
Simple. If there's good, there's evil. Evil is all about lies and deceiving. Good therefore cops the flack. What better way to take advantage of ignorance than to use innocent children?
Almost no one gets through life without some suffering. Sometimes we suffer our own afflictions, somethings we suffer watching someone else's.The bottom line is that we all need to be loved. God loves us no matter what we look like. Can you love someone whose looks are so unfamiliar, perhaps even frightening? Would you be embarrassed, humiliated, disgusted? Or could you accept them, welcome them.....embrace them and care for them?
Or would you prefer to kill them? Maybe it's a test for YOU.
Also my suggestion to you would be for you to research before opening your mouth. The bible was written by a man, re written and changed several times to over the years. If your claims are if he takes responsibility for the action the he must take responsibility for the consequence then you must admit he is everywhere and could not possibly in a simple book that one of his creations wrote. Your theories seam to be based on ( at best! ) second hand opinion. BTW I am not Christan...
If you argue that suffering is real and there for so are the feelings then the argument is easily turned are. You say it doesn't stop the fact that. If you are to admit that then must also admit that the same goes for its counterpart. AKA what you call a blessing in disguise and there for have just proven that your argument is wrong by its own theory.... As for the corruption of logic, I don't know how to argue that with someone who substitutes opinion for hard facts.
If you argue that suffering is real and there for so are the feelings then the argument is easily turned are. You say it doesn't stop the fact that. If you are to admit that then must also admit that the same goes for its counterpart. AKA what you call a blessing in disguise and there for have just proven that your argument is wrong by its own theory.... As for the corruption of logic, I don't know how to argue that with someone who substitutes opinion for hard facts.
If you argue that suffering is real and there for so are the feelings then the argument is easily turned are. You say it doesn't stop the fact that. If you are to admit that then must also admit that the same goes for its counterpart. AKA what you call a blessing in disguise and there for have just proven that your argument is wrong by its own theory.... As for the corruption of logic, I don't know how to argue that with someone who substitutes opinion for hard facts.
Well its not that only a few suffer. I know no one ( and neither do you ) that has never suffered a days worth of pain.... And we make our own choices in our lives that effect ourselves and others and God doesn't try to control us there for he doesn't care. That is scary teenage logic. You must not have kids. When you are a parent you realize that no matter how much you try to stop them kids are gonna do what they are gonna do. Your job is to love them threw it.
As for your free will argument... Some Christians believe that and the word belief itself is still not fact and there for would have to be opinion or theory. That should be your argument. Belief! The definition of the word should be your whole argument if you are looking to prove that god does not exist. If your going to be a disgusting pile of crap that uses deformed children to prove some kind of point then at least do a better job at arguing your point. TAKE A DEBATE CLASS OR SOMETHING!
Well first off morality is a persons self standard which means it can very. So your argument that arguments of the existence of god is negated by that fact is redundant. Morals in their essence can never be proof of anything because they are personal opinion and not fact.
Haha, v funny and v clever! I admire ur ingenuity in argument. But just to venture a thought, I think most likely the bible is not meant to be interpreted literally. Its meanings are symbolic and figurative. So when a bunch of fanatic simple-minded folks choose to uphold a literal interpretation, it results in a bunch of dogmas that don't make sense. Try understanding biblical statements in allegorical sense, it'll make much better sense, & u'll see a profounder truth in it.
@CarloOnU2ube the point is it doesnt disprove the BIBLE. getting it kid? It is supposed to disprove the God of the Bible. Well it we are trying to contradict the Bible you would have to use Adam as a part of that.
If your reffering to adam being real, no, I cant prove he wast. However, there is no evidence at all that he was.
Did you know that the Flying Spagetti Monster created leprecauns, and they live for over 900 years, and they build a large plane that took all the snakes out of Ireleand.
@CarloOnU2ube Hey Carlo, just givin you heads up with this podoau person, all he does is repeat what you say with a question mark. You won't get anywhere with him/her. He doesn't get it. This is not intented to be Heaven yet! He doesn't understand what faith is about. Good luck trying, he /she just wants to argue.
@Janetf16 "all he does is repeat what you say with a question mark."
Not so
"You won't get anywhere with him/"
What are you trying to get ?
"He doesn't understand what faith is about"
Faith is the excuse people use when they believe in something without any evidence
"he just wants to argue.""
No,, I just want to see some real evidence.. Yiur god supposedly created the whole universe. Surely providing some evidence of that should be easy.. So where is it ?
The creator of this video is narrowminded, and is reflecting very flawed, and fatally incorrect "logic". I will not address the video in it's entirety, but the final point. God "allowed" His Son to be nailed to the cross not because we had not committed sin yet, but because He knows we will commit sin, and He gives us a way to exercise our free will. It is a myopic view of life, and the strength of the spirit to see physical flaws only- which is all this person can see.
This doesn't provide any evidence against God's existence. It just seems like the point of the video is "Life is not worth living." Without God or an afterlife, why do you make the effort to live?
@spinemelter2000 "Without God or an afterlife, why do you make the effort to live?"
You cant be serious.
We live for the now. You only get one chance at life. Make the most of it. You are responsible to yourself, your friends and family, society and the law. Dont stuff it up
@podoau That's not a bad answer, but it's still just your opinion. "The now" doesn't make life so great for the people in this video who spend most of their time suffering.
@spinemelter2000 ""The now" doesn't make life so great for the people in this video who spend most of their time suffering."
AGreed. So why doesnt god do something about it ? He supposedly sent his son. The best he could do was turn water into wine and heal a couple of lepers... Why didnt he rid the world of all diseases ??
@Janetf16 " Look in the mirror and ask who created you?"
Technically my parents, and before that their parents. This traces back to the original ancestors, who where primates,and before, billions of generations ago, that a lower lifeform
" An ape. who created such a beautiful planet to live on, oh thats right,"
what ?
"you evolved from a rock!"
Evolution does not say that.. Maybe you should study it a bit more
to each their own. Still if people question about God's existance, then why not question the devils as well? it is not God who is responsible for the bad in the world. The devils greatest trick is to convince man that he doesnt exist so when bad happens, God gets blamed instead of him. Nobody is immune to bad things in the world, whether they believe it or not. The bible never stated that all believers will be immune to suffering and pain..unfortunately:( to each their own :)
And where did you read God killed exactly 22 million people? he has killed many people before and those were the extremely wicked. Check out Noahs Ark on that story. The people didnt believe he existed yet he still wiped them out. The devil has killed far more than any of us can imagine unfortunately:( and many more to come. but the only fair tale is that of man. mans evolution and theory on earths creation are the fairytales bud. just because we dont see it dont mean it doesnt exist:)
@pndwalker "And where did you read God killed exactly 22 million people?"
Read the bible. Those figures are the result of all the people god killed, or commanded the killing of in the bible. Does not include figures for the flood
" he has killed many people before and those were the extremely wicked."
So all the new borns that he drowned in the flood where wicked ??
" The devil has killed far more than any of us can imagine "
as far as the newborns go in my opinion we are all born into sin so we suffer the sins of our fathers. I can't speak for God though, just stating my opinion. who knows, maybe they were all grown up during that period, i couldnt say :(
@pndwalker " we are all born into sin so we suffer the sins of our fathers."
That is nothing more than a self serving, defetist attitute.
Should I tell my son that he was born a sinner,, that he must pay for my misdemeanors, that the only way to redeem himself is to unconditionally love me ??
And all this from the day he was born.
What kind of an egotistical arsehole would that make me ? Yet this is the rules of the god you worship. Really ?? Have a good look at that
@pndwalker You are trying very hard to convince these people, I've been doing the same. You mean well, but they have their mind set and want to blame God for all the bad. But they seem to not acknowlege the good because they think they deserve it. It's called intitlement. Many people feel intilted for just exsisting yet they complain when things go wrong. The Bible tells us what we need to know, and we are saved by Grace and having Faith. God Bless
Indeed but it is ok. I remember the story of noah's ark and when the flood came. All those who didnt believe when then flood came ran to get aboard the Ark but it was too late. I have a feeling that sometime in the future something similar will happen. Once Jesus comes, those who dont believe may finally believe but it might be too late. It is sad but the best we can do is pray for them. maybe they will see the proof they need. just hope its not too late when they see it :(
@podoau YOU ARE PATHETIC... GET A LIFE... AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, YOU HAVE NO PLACE HERE... THERE'S NO NEED TO TRY AND ARGUE WITH EVERYONE... YOU ARE TIRING, YOU MUMBLE ALL THE TIME AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY BUT THE SAME STUFF AGAIN AND AGAIN... I AM NO ZEALOT BUT I CAN SEE GOD AROUND ME. YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T APPRECIATE ANYTHING. OPEN YOUR EYES AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS WORLD... HOW CAN ALL THIS WONDER BE A COINCIDENCE? MAYBE YOU SHOUL STOP QUESTIONING AND START SEEING!
@savasvlitohoro So basically all you have done is read my comments and questions,,and realised that you cant provide any prove of a god, and that my posts are an afront to your beleifs, so you decide the best course of action is to insult, shout and make even more unfounded statements. All that says to me is that Ive hit a nerve and made you face reality,, and you dont like it.
So where is your proof that Adam was an actual individual ? Where is yoour proof that god created trees ?
How very sad that you want to use things like this to try to prove that there is no God. Without sadness & pain, we would not recognize joy! We are all here to learn lessons and I'm afraid that your greatest lesson is going to be at the end of your life when you discover that you spent your life denying God and trying to convince others that He did not exist when He was there all the time. And it's going to be too late for you. Look up near death experiences of people who saw Hell!!!
@doggiemom look up experiences of people who are reincarnated or abducted by aliens or have seen Vishnu. These people believe as strongly as you do. Who are you to decide your religion is the right one?
The level of denial and self delusion of the christians that troll these videos are further reasons i'm glad religion is not something i have any part of. It does concern me though.....these people are convinced without evidence. Thats the essence of brain washing.
The problem is not that you believe God doesn't exist because there is suffering beyond your limited understanding. There is suffering in this world & all you do it is blame something you have proven doesn't exist while doing nothing to prevent human suffering. You have nothing to ease the pain but blaming something that you proven doesn't exist. I would not say there is suffering in this world because there is no God. There is suffering in the world because there are no planets in or house.
The problem is not that you believe God doesn't exist because there is suffering beyond your limited understanding. There is suffering in this world & all you do it is blame something you have proven doesn't exist while doing nothing to prevent human suffering. You have nothing to ease the pain but blaming something that you proven doesn't exist. I would not say there is suffering in this world because there is no God. There is suffering in the world because there are no planets in or house.
at 50-55 seconds, you claim it is immoral to blame anyone else but God for suffering? FOOL.. morality is a GOD trait. GOD sets the rules. Adam gave up dominion over the earth through sin and the devil took over.. we live in a junk yard by comparison because we want to live without God. The penalties are laid out in the book, why complain when the penalties come down? REPENT-Jesus is coming ! ! !
@oscar45515 And THANK YOU! for standing up as well. People want this to be heaven now, yet they are full of sin, we all are. But the good news is that Jesus died for our salvation. If this was heaven now then there would be no need for prayer. Suffering is hard, but this is temporary, HEAVEN is forever!
Does it really make you feel better to spew out that nonsense?
If there is a definition of suffering is comes from individuals like yourself. Passing (dumping ) your responsibilities on a make believe being. Just so you can get through the poorly dealt hand of life that you feel you have.
@Rocketryman Sad is you for being the unbeliever! A true Christian that really loves God will reach out to the unbeliever. And will serve God. What would you like to change about the 10 comandments?
@Janetf16 - Sad is taking me 30 years as a believer to stand up and face the truth. To be strong enough to removed the rose colored glasses of the faith.
@Rocketryman There is only one God, the Creator! Many people have a huge sence of intitlement. If they don't get what they want when they want it then they believe that God does not exsist! Well if you didn't know, the world does not revolve around you. If God is going to answere prayers, it will be on his time. He doesn't have to proove anything to you or me. Read about Moses.
@Rocketryman Of course it doesn't, my life isn't perfect. I can't expect God to fix everything for me. I feel very blessed regardless of any bad situation. But I can help and pray for others. It does give me satisfaction.
@Starrwulf7 For GOD's sake! There is no punishment for anyone's mistake in THIS world!!! Don't be fools!!! We choose what to do... The so called "punishment" will be to get to realize our mistakes... When the time comes, and we look upon God's eyes, WE are the ones that will PUNISH OURSELVES!!! No one is coming to punish us! We should repent because now there is still time to correct our mistakes, not because we should tremple of a punisher coming! Start feeling bad about what already happened!
@savasvlitohoro We are our own worst enemy. But God gives us good instruction in the bible how to live. There will still be hard times, we should be thankful always, pray for the sick and the blind, that God will open their eyes.
WE SMOKE, DRINK AND CONSUME ALL KINDS OF SHITFOOD BUT FOR CANCER??? WE CAN BLAME GOD! WE HAVE SEX WITH ANYONE AND ANYTIME BUT FOR AIDS??? WE CAN BLAME GOD! GET A LIFE!!!!
@TheDharmawheel You are totally lost here!!! What I meant was that we make our lives better or worse... Nobody else... And what the fuck is all this with you guys? You try to argue with everyone without having something important to say... Getting cancer means that something is wrong... You can't be healthy and get cancer... AND IT IS NOT GOD'S MISTAKE! And on the other hand, getting AIDS from tainted blood is a HUMAN mistake... NOT GOD'S EITHER!!! YOUR logis is off!
@savasvlitohoro You are seriously rude. If you have something important to impart then swearing and using incoherent english is not the way to go about it. If you want to communicate with me you're going to have to behave like an adult or move on with your little crusade. have a nice day.
@TheDharmawheel First of all I would like to apologise, but I can't find in which part of my answer I was rude as you pointed... For me, being rude is trying to prove someone wrong out of nothing. You want evidence that what I said is true? Go on and do whatever crazy thing you could ever think of... God is not going to stop you... And if you are careful, God is not going to kill you... If God was a punisher, there would be no living or healthy politician in the world...
@savasvlitohoro hell is punishment. God created hell therefore he punishes people by creating a situation in which if we don't follow him we'll burn for eternity.
To me that sounds like punishment in the extreme.
The threat of hell is insane to me. Its akin to holding a gun to someone's head and saying "open the register or i'll shoot you". Of course its not a true choice is it?
@TheDharmawheel Hell is not a threat, it's a fact. The Bible is the most amazing book and read more than any other book in the world. Read about Lucifer, the fallen angel. God is the creator, He is Alpha and Omega, the begining and the end.. Then end of times was written and prophecy is proving to be right. God said that Israel would not be defeated, a small country, yet Islam has tried over and over and can't defeat them! Amen. Wow, who could predict that? Read revelation.
@TheDharmawheel maybe i didn't express my self the right way. What I mean about hell, is that it does exsist. That is a fact. But so does Heaven exsist! I am not here to argue with anyone or be mean or curse at others. I just try to help others if I can.
@Janetf16 heaven and hell are not "facts". They are an idea some people have to explain what they don't understand.
If however you have actual scientific evidence that proves heaven and hell are fact then i'd love to see it. I have never met a single person who has been able to prove those things though.
@TheDharmawheel O.k, manny scientist that were once athiest have a big change of heart after trying to proove that there isn't a God. People have died and revieved that were not believers that now believe. Why would a book be written over the corse of years, people that didn't know each other, then put together as one. And the books coenide with each other. Prophecy is proving to be true. Read if you have time, C.S. Luis, "Mere Christianity, he was an atheist. Best writter ever.
@Janetf16 You can check out on youtube "Died and went to hell". I can send you some really awsum things if you want that will be an eye openner. See for yourself. One that really makes me humble is the video on Nick Vujicic, "Testemony". Wouldn't it be better to believe? Then to find out in the end and regret it. Prisoners have changed their own hearts by being broken and God has revealed Himself to many. check it out . Mbja16@yahoo.com
@TheDharmawheel So I misspelled a few words. Engish is my first language, along with 3 others. I don't understand why that matters. we are not here to correct spelling mistakes. Any how, believe what you want. Live believing your ancestors were apes if you like. I have comfort knowing that there is a God, our Lord and Creator. Amen
@Janetf16 it wasn't the spelling. It was the composition and coherency.
I don't believe my ancestors were apes. I know that, its a fact. Whether i like it or not is irrelevant in whether its true,
God makes you feel comfortable.....it doesn't make it true. just comfortable. Its your choice to believe something without evidence. I choose facts and evidence.
@TheDharmawheel The evidence is in the Bible and all around us. You were created by God for God. Would you please go to Nick Vujicic, "testimony". Even if you don't want to believe, just check it out. I have to have faith, I have 4 kids and one of them is an addict. If he O.D's, I just pray that he loves God.
@Janetf16 the problem is that the bible is not evidence that the bible is true. Testimony is also not evidence. I cannot know that testimony is truth. I cannot know another persons motivations or mind. "the evidence is all around us" is subjective. The evidence for evolution is all around us and testable and demonstrable to others.
I have addicts in my family also. Prayer has not 'saved' them. Hard work, love and support did.
@Janetf16 My issue is this, if there was a god who loved us he would show himself clearly and not in obscure ways. He would show himself to me in a way I could understand and accept. He would show himself whether i was willing or not. He doesn't so either he doesn't exist or he's a jerk.
@TheDharmawheel God has proved himself in many ways, you just refuse to accept it. You were not evolved from a fish or an ape. Apes are still apes and fish are still fish. We were not created by a blast in space. There has to be a creator for everything you see. Or are you blind to what you see. God gave you a brain to think, to feel, to ask questions, to love or hate. It's all your free will. This is not Heaven, that is why there is suffering, it expalins it in Genisis.
amen to that. lots of people want proof of God's exist. they question it but has a single one of the none believers questioned the process of evolution that is impossible to witness? in a way, they have a faith in what they cannot see kind of like religious people do. weird huh?
@pndwalker Yes there are many religious leadesr and believers, but that doesn't make any of them perfect. We all make misstakes. Although there are many false leaders. The bible tells us to be aware of flase prophets. If there is no God, who wrote the 10 comandments? So perfectly written. fI everyone could obey them, there would be no crime. God knew that we could not keep them all, that is why He sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. Thank you Jesus!
@Janetf16 i don't believe what i'm reading.it is 2012 and humans still beleave in old wife tales THE BIBLE, If there is no God, who wrote the 10 comandments? ARE YOU FUCKING MAD? a human wrote the 10 comand.youve just said you have 4 kids one is an addict. If he O.D's, I just pray that he loves God.NO NO NO you thick twat you DO what you can. even if that means you tie or chain that child down so it cant get any drugs..fuck you i wash my hands to people like you you stay with JC
@david67196 First off all you don't know the facts. 10 years of trying to help my son. He is 26, 6 ft tall, 200 lbs. In and out of jail for the past 10 years for prescription forgery, 12 felonies. I have flagged him in every pharmacy in our state, including 3 other states.
Sent him to Australia to be with his uncle 6 years ago. Tuna boat for 3 months. lots of jail time. $22,000 in rehab. Now in rehab again. My only regret is not getting him involved in a Christian youth group!
@Janetf16 Janet Dear remain strong, you won't get any understanding or sound advice on an athiest site. The only thing they can retort is "Prove It" I will be praying for you!
@oscar45515 "Janet Dear remain strong, you won't get any understanding or sound advice on an athiest site"
Not so. Atheists are more than happy to offer understanding and most cerainly sound advice. Its advice grouded in facts,, not some wishy washy ""pray and it will be all ok" crap
" I will be praying for you! "
Like thats going to acheive anything.. hint.. it wont
@podoau It would have been a Christian church were we now attend, which would be a youth group leader, not a Priest. And by the way, not all Priests are bad, just like not all people are bad. There is deception till the end of times. It's in the government as well, public schools, etc.... Just realizethis, nor you or I can change people. It's up to the individual to want to change, an addict has to be broken for Jesus to build him up. God knows i have tried>
so true. lol cant argue that :) but to each their own. My faith in God makes me happy and some people's faith in man makes them happy. To each their own ya?
nope, just because a bunch of old guys says it so then it is true? all that gene mapping stuff still doesnt prove the age of anything. Proof has been given in the past. if you read the bible, God provided proof many times over and the same people who has seen the proof, still denied him. Many times has it happens. Even if God showed his face tomorrow and proved his existance to skeptics, it would only take 20 years for the next generation to not believe it and continue on.
bible speaks of witnessed events, kind of like our history books. None of us witnessed events that passed hundreds of years ago but they were witnessed by people in the past.
@podoau You know what? God created me! As for you, I will not argue, maybe your ancestors where some nice bana eaters! There you go!
And the proof for what I believe is the same science you advertise! Please enlighten me... Which of your ape ancestors created the DNA? WAKE UP! You keep eating the same bananas buddy! Look for the truth around you! Not in the books! I could write a book and confirm that man was created by pecan nuts! And surely someone will support it! It doesn't mean it is true!
@podoau You know what? If you don't believe in God it's your problem... But believing in Darwin's theory... That is an issue my friend! What's next? Golmann & Sachs is a humanitarian institution????
Ive looked around. All I see is evidence that things exist.
" I could write a book and confirm that man was created by pecan nuts! And surely someone will support it! It doesn't mean it is true! "
I could right a book and claim that someone walked on water. I could write a book and claim some invisible thing created a man from dirt, and then a woman from the mans ribs, while a talking snake watched. Doesnt mean its true
@podoau Have you ever heard of metaphors? Go to school first and then you can teach me Darwin's fables! That is all about the Old testament... METAPHORS...
@savasvlitohoro well even with all the theories, none can be proven true, simply because the fact that no human has witnessed it either. I have read up on darwins theory and it has so many blanks and even admits he could be wrong. Human kind will never be able to witness any sort of evolution except the development of a child in the mother's womb. That little evolution of sperm cell to a baby can been witnessed. Creation of plants and stars and evolution of man cant be witnessed by us.
@pndwalker "the fact that no human has witnessed it either"
Evolution has been witnessed
" even admits he could be wrong. "
Darwin wrote the theory 150 years ago. A lot has changed since then, including proving him right ""That little evolution of sperm cell to a baby can been witnessed""
God is not supposed to be saving the moment everytime we screw up! Loving someone does not mean to support him or her no matter what they do! We have created or let others create a world where everything is done solely for money and power. We live our lives in the most UNhealthy ways and yet, we can blaim someone for diseases... It's all God's mistake! YOU COULD LOWER YOUR SELFISHNESS AND LOOK THE TRUTH TO THE EYE! PAIN IS OUR CHOICE! NOT GOD'S... ---->
It's obvious that the person that made this video does not know God or has read the Beatitudes. A good one to watch is the viedeo about Nick Vujicic Testimony.
@savasvlitohoro Exactly! Power and greed! The Bible tell us, the most evil sin is "pride", it's putting oneself above Jesus. "Greed" is the most deadly sin.
We are not worthy of His love, yet his love is unconditional!
@podoau You Got it in One Pal. God sent his Son onto death so that you could have Eternal life ok! you have rejected that. If my son was killed so that you could live, and you turned around and Laughed, ridiculed and scourned him, how do you think I would feel toward you? the love of Christ is unconditional, Your Choice Is!
'drama queen of the universe', i am going to steal that lol.
barrydubstep 1 day ago
You believe in God? Then you should believe in Santa Claus too. lol It's just silly, really, but if it makes you feel better and doesn't hurt anyone, believe in whatever you choose.
technofreeek 1 day ago
I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO HAS DEFORMED HANDS AND ARMS. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHE SAYS?
SHE SAYS THAT THE CLASSMATES THAT CALL HER CRUEL NAMES ARE MUCH MORE HANDICAPPED THAN SHE IS!!!
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HANDICAPS.
DISEASE IS A RESULT OF THE FALL OF MAN, NOT FROM GOD. YOU'RE RIDICULOUS!
mkmason2002 3 days ago
@mkmason2002 What did you do to anger God that he could not have given you a daughter with normal hands and arms? What did your daughter do?
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
@LetMeTellUSomething0 I chose my daughter. I adopted her. God BLESSED me with her.
You are a number one jerk.
Atheists are the most hate filled people on the planet.
Go waste someone else's time, just leave handicapped people alone.
mkmason2002 1 hour ago
I don't agree with " why a few suffer", actually the majority suffers & they live in Africa & Asia. Most live in squalid conditions. only a few have it good.
nayanmalig 3 days ago
@nayanmalig That's a few compared to every damn body in the world.
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
@LetMeTellUSomething0 That's a cruel excuse. look at how many children as well as adults die needlessly die in a day due to lack of very basic food & medicine that costs only a couple of $. UN statistics.
nayanmalig 1 hour ago
THERE IS NO GOD WISH PEOPLE WOULD WAKE UP WHY WOULD A SO CALLED GOD LET A CHILD DIE BEFORE THERE PARENTS WISH PEOPLE WOULD JUST WAKE UP PLEASE .ALL RELIGION IS ABOUT POWER AND MONEY
shacam100 4 days ago
....our suffering is because of a legal point that arose when Eve first ate from the Tree of Knowledge. Either God allowed us to die off and the Creation of man to fail or he finds a way to redeem us legally. He found the way to keep us 2000 years ago by allowing the sacrifice of Jesus, the real question is why has he not judged us, why is He waiting? There are clues that may answer this question but we have been left out of this part of the story probably because it is a heavenly matter.
BTsmoke 4 days ago
@BTsmoke You believe that bs you just typed?
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
so by removing god you solve the problem ????
ore do those people who suffer get limitless grace/forgiveness en a perfect body
ore they are just mest up en have to deal with it en when they are dead they will have never gotten justice mercy en a painless en sinless life ???
in the end YOU end me, we all will see HIM
god doesn't help anyone=heaven
he doesn't curse anyone=hell
he is in the third heaven above us !!!
sukruoosten 6 days ago
@sukruoosten No by removing God it will make sense why people suffer.
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
why does god always get blamed?
zaporojes 6 days ago
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@zaporojes "why does god always get blamed? "
Because he supposedly created everything
Why do you think ??
podoau 5 days ago
@zaporojes if i believed in him, i'd say it was cos he is a fucking dick.
barrydubstep 1 day ago
@zaporojes Because he's God. He gets praised for everything else.
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
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@zaporojes Because he's God. He gets praised for everything else.
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
As a child I was beat constantly by my mother. What 'loving' god would allow a mother to beat her child?
boatlady5 6 days ago
@boatlady5 What could you have done to God to make him put you through that? Nothing.
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
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@boatlady5 What could you have done to God to make him put you through that? Nothing.
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
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@boatlady5 What could you have done to God to make him put you through that? Nothing.
LetMeTellUSomething0 2 hours ago
@boatlady5 A loving God gave us a free will , just as He gave you a free will. What your mother did was her choice, not God's. If God stopped every sin then we would all be in cages. Do you want God to take away your free will and force you to only do good?
mkmason2002 1 hour ago
nejjjen 1 week ago
Who said god is loving? Bible and Qu'ran both filled with a pissed off, wrathful, god. one who wipes out cities. one who answers christian prayers of "shaking Japan", one who picks on poor countries like Haiti. I don't think even religeious people believe god is loving from the looks of videos hailing allah and god as powerful when he eats up a car in a sink hole.
bustacapinlutha 1 week ago
a loving god is there so shut up and belive!!
cheycheypurpleninja 1 week ago
Simple. If there's good, there's evil. Evil is all about lies and deceiving. Good therefore cops the flack. What better way to take advantage of ignorance than to use innocent children?
redroseriot 1 week ago
Almost no one gets through life without some suffering. Sometimes we suffer our own afflictions, somethings we suffer watching someone else's.The bottom line is that we all need to be loved. God loves us no matter what we look like. Can you love someone whose looks are so unfamiliar, perhaps even frightening? Would you be embarrassed, humiliated, disgusted? Or could you accept them, welcome them.....embrace them and care for them?
Or would you prefer to kill them? Maybe it's a test for YOU.
cocalicot 1 week ago
religion poisons everything...
trans3nd1 1 week ago
Also my suggestion to you would be for you to research before opening your mouth. The bible was written by a man, re written and changed several times to over the years. If your claims are if he takes responsibility for the action the he must take responsibility for the consequence then you must admit he is everywhere and could not possibly in a simple book that one of his creations wrote. Your theories seam to be based on ( at best! ) second hand opinion. BTW I am not Christan...
Itchy24ish 1 week ago
If you argue that suffering is real and there for so are the feelings then the argument is easily turned are. You say it doesn't stop the fact that. If you are to admit that then must also admit that the same goes for its counterpart. AKA what you call a blessing in disguise and there for have just proven that your argument is wrong by its own theory.... As for the corruption of logic, I don't know how to argue that with someone who substitutes opinion for hard facts.
Itchy24ish 1 week ago
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If you argue that suffering is real and there for so are the feelings then the argument is easily turned are. You say it doesn't stop the fact that. If you are to admit that then must also admit that the same goes for its counterpart. AKA what you call a blessing in disguise and there for have just proven that your argument is wrong by its own theory.... As for the corruption of logic, I don't know how to argue that with someone who substitutes opinion for hard facts.
Itchy24ish 1 week ago
If you argue that suffering is real and there for so are the feelings then the argument is easily turned are. You say it doesn't stop the fact that. If you are to admit that then must also admit that the same goes for its counterpart. AKA what you call a blessing in disguise and there for have just proven that your argument is wrong by its own theory.... As for the corruption of logic, I don't know how to argue that with someone who substitutes opinion for hard facts.
Itchy24ish 1 week ago
Well its not that only a few suffer. I know no one ( and neither do you ) that has never suffered a days worth of pain.... And we make our own choices in our lives that effect ourselves and others and God doesn't try to control us there for he doesn't care. That is scary teenage logic. You must not have kids. When you are a parent you realize that no matter how much you try to stop them kids are gonna do what they are gonna do. Your job is to love them threw it.
Itchy24ish 1 week ago
As for your free will argument... Some Christians believe that and the word belief itself is still not fact and there for would have to be opinion or theory. That should be your argument. Belief! The definition of the word should be your whole argument if you are looking to prove that god does not exist. If your going to be a disgusting pile of crap that uses deformed children to prove some kind of point then at least do a better job at arguing your point. TAKE A DEBATE CLASS OR SOMETHING!
Itchy24ish 1 week ago
Well first off morality is a persons self standard which means it can very. So your argument that arguments of the existence of god is negated by that fact is redundant. Morals in their essence can never be proof of anything because they are personal opinion and not fact.
Itchy24ish 1 week ago
No loving god, who knows the future, is all knowing and wise would create a single living being knowing his creation would suffer.
SalemMoonlight 1 week ago
Haha, v funny and v clever! I admire ur ingenuity in argument. But just to venture a thought, I think most likely the bible is not meant to be interpreted literally. Its meanings are symbolic and figurative. So when a bunch of fanatic simple-minded folks choose to uphold a literal interpretation, it results in a bunch of dogmas that don't make sense. Try understanding biblical statements in allegorical sense, it'll make much better sense, & u'll see a profounder truth in it.
Rapprochement123 1 week ago
Are You guys retarded? GOD NEVER INTENDED FOR SUFFERING. HE MADE A PERFECT LOVING WORLD WITHOUT PAIN OT SUFFERING. ADAM MADE SUFFERING
CarloOnU2ube 2 weeks ago
@CarloOnU2ube "ADAM MADE SUFFERING "
facepalm
Prove that Adam was real
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau facepalm. prove he wasnt. exactly
CarloOnU2ube 1 week ago
@CarloOnU2ube the point is it doesnt disprove the BIBLE. getting it kid? It is supposed to disprove the God of the Bible. Well it we are trying to contradict the Bible you would have to use Adam as a part of that.
CarloOnU2ube 1 week ago
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@CarloOnU2ube "prove he wasnt. exactly "
If your reffering to adam being real, no, I cant prove he wast. However, there is no evidence at all that he was.
Did you know that the Flying Spagetti Monster created leprecauns, and they live for over 900 years, and they build a large plane that took all the snakes out of Ireleand.
Now, prove to me thats not true
podoau 1 week ago
@CarloOnU2ube Hey Carlo, just givin you heads up with this podoau person, all he does is repeat what you say with a question mark. You won't get anywhere with him/her. He doesn't get it. This is not intented to be Heaven yet! He doesn't understand what faith is about. Good luck trying, he /she just wants to argue.
God Bless.
Janetf16 1 week ago
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@Janetf16 "all he does is repeat what you say with a question mark."
Not so
"You won't get anywhere with him/"
What are you trying to get ?
"He doesn't understand what faith is about"
Faith is the excuse people use when they believe in something without any evidence
"he just wants to argue.""
No,, I just want to see some real evidence.. Yiur god supposedly created the whole universe. Surely providing some evidence of that should be easy.. So where is it ?
"
podoau 1 week ago
read the bible
58thsucker 2 weeks ago
Please consider that Satan corrupts was God meant for good.
NickMcClellan 2 weeks ago
The creator of this video is narrowminded, and is reflecting very flawed, and fatally incorrect "logic". I will not address the video in it's entirety, but the final point. God "allowed" His Son to be nailed to the cross not because we had not committed sin yet, but because He knows we will commit sin, and He gives us a way to exercise our free will. It is a myopic view of life, and the strength of the spirit to see physical flaws only- which is all this person can see.
Starfyre1961CA 2 weeks ago 2
@Starfyre1961CA god doesnt exist, cry about it.
evan669 2 weeks ago
This doesn't provide any evidence against God's existence. It just seems like the point of the video is "Life is not worth living." Without God or an afterlife, why do you make the effort to live?
spinemelter2000 2 weeks ago
@spinemelter2000 "Without God or an afterlife, why do you make the effort to live?"
You cant be serious.
We live for the now. You only get one chance at life. Make the most of it. You are responsible to yourself, your friends and family, society and the law. Dont stuff it up
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau That's not a bad answer, but it's still just your opinion. "The now" doesn't make life so great for the people in this video who spend most of their time suffering.
spinemelter2000 2 weeks ago
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@spinemelter2000 ""The now" doesn't make life so great for the people in this video who spend most of their time suffering."
AGreed. So why doesnt god do something about it ? He supposedly sent his son. The best he could do was turn water into wine and heal a couple of lepers... Why didnt he rid the world of all diseases ??
Maybe he wasnt really the son of god
podoau 2 weeks ago
There sure is a lot of christonutters posting on this video.
Please provide observable, testable, repeatab;e evidence that your god exists
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau Look around you Mate Oh' yeh it all just happened, eh? oh now I get it!
oscar45515 2 weeks ago
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@oscar45515 "Look around you Mate"
I did. All I see is whats around me. Why would you think its evidence of any god ?
"yeh it all just happened"
No, its the result of billions of years of evolution, and natural physics.
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau Look in the mirror and ask who created you? An ape. who created such a beautiful planet to live on, oh thats right, you evolved from a rock!
Janetf16 2 weeks ago
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@Janetf16 " Look in the mirror and ask who created you?"
Technically my parents, and before that their parents. This traces back to the original ancestors, who where primates,and before, billions of generations ago, that a lower lifeform
" An ape. who created such a beautiful planet to live on, oh thats right,"
what ?
"you evolved from a rock!"
Evolution does not say that.. Maybe you should study it a bit more
podoau 2 weeks ago
Excellant video. Well done.
There clearly is no god, but if there was, he is obviously and evil prick
podoau 2 weeks ago
to each their own. Still if people question about God's existance, then why not question the devils as well? it is not God who is responsible for the bad in the world. The devils greatest trick is to convince man that he doesnt exist so when bad happens, God gets blamed instead of him. Nobody is immune to bad things in the world, whether they believe it or not. The bible never stated that all believers will be immune to suffering and pain..unfortunately:( to each their own :)
pndwalker 3 weeks ago
@pndwalker " if people question about God's existance, then why not question the devils as well? "
We do. Both are fairytale characters.
"it is not God who is responsible for the bad in the world."
You didnt watch the video did you. Did you miss the bit about absolving your god of any wrong doing ??
Why did your god kill 22 million people according to the bible, yet the devil killed 8,, and most of those where with gods blessing.
I know who the evil one is
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau
And where did you read God killed exactly 22 million people? he has killed many people before and those were the extremely wicked. Check out Noahs Ark on that story. The people didnt believe he existed yet he still wiped them out. The devil has killed far more than any of us can imagine unfortunately:( and many more to come. but the only fair tale is that of man. mans evolution and theory on earths creation are the fairytales bud. just because we dont see it dont mean it doesnt exist:)
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "And where did you read God killed exactly 22 million people?"
Read the bible. Those figures are the result of all the people god killed, or commanded the killing of in the bible. Does not include figures for the flood
" he has killed many people before and those were the extremely wicked."
So all the new borns that he drowned in the flood where wicked ??
" The devil has killed far more than any of us can imagine "
In the bible, the devil kills 8 people.
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau
as far as the newborns go in my opinion we are all born into sin so we suffer the sins of our fathers. I can't speak for God though, just stating my opinion. who knows, maybe they were all grown up during that period, i couldnt say :(
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
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@pndwalker " we are all born into sin so we suffer the sins of our fathers."
That is nothing more than a self serving, defetist attitute.
Should I tell my son that he was born a sinner,, that he must pay for my misdemeanors, that the only way to redeem himself is to unconditionally love me ??
And all this from the day he was born.
What kind of an egotistical arsehole would that make me ? Yet this is the rules of the god you worship. Really ?? Have a good look at that
podoau 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker You are trying very hard to convince these people, I've been doing the same. You mean well, but they have their mind set and want to blame God for all the bad. But they seem to not acknowlege the good because they think they deserve it. It's called intitlement. Many people feel intilted for just exsisting yet they complain when things go wrong. The Bible tells us what we need to know, and we are saved by Grace and having Faith. God Bless
Janetf16 2 weeks ago
@Janetf16
Indeed but it is ok. I remember the story of noah's ark and when the flood came. All those who didnt believe when then flood came ran to get aboard the Ark but it was too late. I have a feeling that sometime in the future something similar will happen. Once Jesus comes, those who dont believe may finally believe but it might be too late. It is sad but the best we can do is pray for them. maybe they will see the proof they need. just hope its not too late when they see it :(
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "and when the flood came."
What flood ??
" It is sad but the best we can do is pray for them. "
And we will think for you
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau
During Noah's Time. Surely you have heard of that correct? :) I find it a interesting piece of history.
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "Noah's Time"
Is this the Noah who was over 900 years old, built an arc because the whole planet got covered in water.
or
the Noah, who was 30 years old, who may or may not have existed, who saved a cow when his farm flooded
??
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau YOU ARE PATHETIC... GET A LIFE... AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, YOU HAVE NO PLACE HERE... THERE'S NO NEED TO TRY AND ARGUE WITH EVERYONE... YOU ARE TIRING, YOU MUMBLE ALL THE TIME AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY BUT THE SAME STUFF AGAIN AND AGAIN... I AM NO ZEALOT BUT I CAN SEE GOD AROUND ME. YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T APPRECIATE ANYTHING. OPEN YOUR EYES AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS WORLD... HOW CAN ALL THIS WONDER BE A COINCIDENCE? MAYBE YOU SHOUL STOP QUESTIONING AND START SEEING!
savasvlitohoro 1 week ago
@savasvlitohoro "YOU ARE PATHETIC"
You know this how ??
"GET A LIFE"
I have one, and its very nice
"IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, YOU HAVE NO PLACE HERE"
I have a very definate place here. Have a look at what this video is about. Its a position I fully support.
"THERE'S NO NEED TO TRY AND ARGUE WITH EVERYONE"
Im not. I simply asking for testable evidence of a god
" I CAN SEE GOD AROUND ME"
Really ?? Tell me where
podoau 1 week ago
@savasvlitohoro "YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T APPRECIATE ANYTHING."
I appreciate many things. The beaity of nature being one of them
"HOW CAN ALL THIS WONDER BE A COINCIDENCE? "
And there it is. A classic example of the god of gaps. Its all so amazing that its just gotta be god that did it. Lazy, unfounded thinking.
"MAYBE YOU SHOUL STOP QUESTIONING AND START SEEING!"
Questioning is the basis of all learning.
Show me the evidence
Typing in caps does you no favours
podoau 1 week ago
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@savasvlitohoro So basically all you have done is read my comments and questions,,and realised that you cant provide any prove of a god, and that my posts are an afront to your beleifs, so you decide the best course of action is to insult, shout and make even more unfounded statements. All that says to me is that Ive hit a nerve and made you face reality,, and you dont like it.
So where is your proof that Adam was an actual individual ? Where is yoour proof that god created trees ?
podoau 1 week ago
How very sad that you want to use things like this to try to prove that there is no God. Without sadness & pain, we would not recognize joy! We are all here to learn lessons and I'm afraid that your greatest lesson is going to be at the end of your life when you discover that you spent your life denying God and trying to convince others that He did not exist when He was there all the time. And it's going to be too late for you. Look up near death experiences of people who saw Hell!!!
doggiemom 3 weeks ago
@doggiemom look up experiences of people who are reincarnated or abducted by aliens or have seen Vishnu. These people believe as strongly as you do. Who are you to decide your religion is the right one?
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@doggiemom "Without sadness & pain, we would not recognize joy!"
Bullshit. SO that makes suffering justified ?? How sick
"Look up near death experiences of people who saw Hell!!!"
Look up the symptoms of a dying brain.
podoau 2 weeks ago
The level of denial and self delusion of the christians that troll these videos are further reasons i'm glad religion is not something i have any part of. It does concern me though.....these people are convinced without evidence. Thats the essence of brain washing.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
Im not atheist but this video has interesting points
Yes, nature and accidents exist. But most of the suffering in this world is made by men and women
fundie2008 3 weeks ago
The problem is not that you believe God doesn't exist because there is suffering beyond your limited understanding. There is suffering in this world & all you do it is blame something you have proven doesn't exist while doing nothing to prevent human suffering. You have nothing to ease the pain but blaming something that you proven doesn't exist. I would not say there is suffering in this world because there is no God. There is suffering in the world because there are no planets in or house.
JamGcaliMan 3 weeks ago
The problem is not that you believe God doesn't exist because there is suffering beyond your limited understanding. There is suffering in this world & all you do it is blame something you have proven doesn't exist while doing nothing to prevent human suffering. You have nothing to ease the pain but blaming something that you proven doesn't exist. I would not say there is suffering in this world because there is no God. There is suffering in the world because there are no planets in or house.
JamGcaliMan 3 weeks ago
at 50-55 seconds, you claim it is immoral to blame anyone else but God for suffering? FOOL.. morality is a GOD trait. GOD sets the rules. Adam gave up dominion over the earth through sin and the devil took over.. we live in a junk yard by comparison because we want to live without God. The penalties are laid out in the book, why complain when the penalties come down? REPENT-Jesus is coming ! ! !
Starrwulf7 1 month ago
@Starrwulf7 Thank You my brother, for standing with us on this web page, as we try and bring hope of Salvation to lost people. God BlessYou!
oscar45515 1 month ago 2
@oscar45515 And THANK YOU! for standing up as well. People want this to be heaven now, yet they are full of sin, we all are. But the good news is that Jesus died for our salvation. If this was heaven now then there would be no need for prayer. Suffering is hard, but this is temporary, HEAVEN is forever!
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Starrwulf7 - Wow. What a sad statement.
Does it really make you feel better to spew out that nonsense?
If there is a definition of suffering is comes from individuals like yourself. Passing (dumping ) your responsibilities on a make believe being. Just so you can get through the poorly dealt hand of life that you feel you have.
"Salvation" is withing yourself. No god needed.
Rocketryman 1 month ago
@Rocketryman Sad is you for being the unbeliever! A true Christian that really loves God will reach out to the unbeliever. And will serve God. What would you like to change about the 10 comandments?
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 - Sad is taking me 30 years as a believer to stand up and face the truth. To be strong enough to removed the rose colored glasses of the faith.
And, seeing... NOTHING.
Rocketryman 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 - 30 years as a believer has been ample time to show me there is nothing.
And look this up... George Carlin - The Ten Commandments
Rocketryman 3 weeks ago
@Rocketryman Then you were never a believer. Life has no promisses.
My son is a drug addict, I can't blame God for that. We have free will. It's what we do with it. Don't get cought up in the world. God Bless you.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 - Or. There is no god. After all, life has no promises.
Your argument applies for all religions. Including the ones believing in Zeus.
It's not belief you have. It is blind faith.
Rocketryman 3 weeks ago
@Rocketryman There is only one God, the Creator! Many people have a huge sence of intitlement. If they don't get what they want when they want it then they believe that God does not exsist! Well if you didn't know, the world does not revolve around you. If God is going to answere prayers, it will be on his time. He doesn't have to proove anything to you or me. Read about Moses.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 - "Well if you didn't know, the world does not revolve around you."
Nor you.
Rocketryman 3 weeks ago
@Rocketryman Of course it doesn't, my life isn't perfect. I can't expect God to fix everything for me. I feel very blessed regardless of any bad situation. But I can help and pray for others. It does give me satisfaction.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Starrwulf7 For GOD's sake! There is no punishment for anyone's mistake in THIS world!!! Don't be fools!!! We choose what to do... The so called "punishment" will be to get to realize our mistakes... When the time comes, and we look upon God's eyes, WE are the ones that will PUNISH OURSELVES!!! No one is coming to punish us! We should repent because now there is still time to correct our mistakes, not because we should tremple of a punisher coming! Start feeling bad about what already happened!
savasvlitohoro 3 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro We are our own worst enemy. But God gives us good instruction in the bible how to live. There will still be hard times, we should be thankful always, pray for the sick and the blind, that God will open their eyes.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
WE SMOKE, DRINK AND CONSUME ALL KINDS OF SHITFOOD BUT FOR CANCER??? WE CAN BLAME GOD! WE HAVE SEX WITH ANYONE AND ANYTIME BUT FOR AIDS??? WE CAN BLAME GOD! GET A LIFE!!!!
savasvlitohoro 1 month ago
@savasvlitohoro Blaming God would be saying that he is wrong! God knows the end, there is a reason why we suffer. Faith is so powerful, and a choice.
Janetf16 1 month ago
@savasvlitohoro well said!
KSitz77 3 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro yet some healthy living people get cancer and some monogamous people get aids from tainted blood etc. Your 'logic' is off.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel You are totally lost here!!! What I meant was that we make our lives better or worse... Nobody else... And what the fuck is all this with you guys? You try to argue with everyone without having something important to say... Getting cancer means that something is wrong... You can't be healthy and get cancer... AND IT IS NOT GOD'S MISTAKE! And on the other hand, getting AIDS from tainted blood is a HUMAN mistake... NOT GOD'S EITHER!!! YOUR logis is off!
savasvlitohoro 3 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro You are seriously rude. If you have something important to impart then swearing and using incoherent english is not the way to go about it. If you want to communicate with me you're going to have to behave like an adult or move on with your little crusade. have a nice day.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel First of all I would like to apologise, but I can't find in which part of my answer I was rude as you pointed... For me, being rude is trying to prove someone wrong out of nothing. You want evidence that what I said is true? Go on and do whatever crazy thing you could ever think of... God is not going to stop you... And if you are careful, God is not going to kill you... If God was a punisher, there would be no living or healthy politician in the world...
savasvlitohoro 3 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro hell is punishment. God created hell therefore he punishes people by creating a situation in which if we don't follow him we'll burn for eternity.
To me that sounds like punishment in the extreme.
The threat of hell is insane to me. Its akin to holding a gun to someone's head and saying "open the register or i'll shoot you". Of course its not a true choice is it?
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel Hell is not a threat, it's a fact. The Bible is the most amazing book and read more than any other book in the world. Read about Lucifer, the fallen angel. God is the creator, He is Alpha and Omega, the begining and the end.. Then end of times was written and prophecy is proving to be right. God said that Israel would not be defeated, a small country, yet Islam has tried over and over and can't defeat them! Amen. Wow, who could predict that? Read revelation.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 - "Hell is not a threat, it's a fact." A fact?
You sound like a newbie in the faith. Good luck with that.
Rocketryman 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 wow, talk about miss the point. Christians ignore what's uncomfortable and change the subject. Its telling.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel maybe i didn't express my self the right way. What I mean about hell, is that it does exsist. That is a fact. But so does Heaven exsist! I am not here to argue with anyone or be mean or curse at others. I just try to help others if I can.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 heaven and hell are not "facts". They are an idea some people have to explain what they don't understand.
If however you have actual scientific evidence that proves heaven and hell are fact then i'd love to see it. I have never met a single person who has been able to prove those things though.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel O.k, manny scientist that were once athiest have a big change of heart after trying to proove that there isn't a God. People have died and revieved that were not believers that now believe. Why would a book be written over the corse of years, people that didn't know each other, then put together as one. And the books coenide with each other. Prophecy is proving to be true. Read if you have time, C.S. Luis, "Mere Christianity, he was an atheist. Best writter ever.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 You can check out on youtube "Died and went to hell". I can send you some really awsum things if you want that will be an eye openner. See for yourself. One that really makes me humble is the video on Nick Vujicic, "Testemony". Wouldn't it be better to believe? Then to find out in the end and regret it. Prisoners have changed their own hearts by being broken and God has revealed Himself to many. check it out . Mbja16@yahoo.com
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 "Wouldn't it be better to believe? Then to find out in the end and regret it. "
pascals wager....its not a reason to believe.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 no scientist ever tried to "prove there isn't a god". Science does not try to prove a negative. ever. Thats not how science works.
I am guessing english is your second language??! Anyhow, i am finding it difficult to understand your posts.
"prophecy is proving to be true"
like what?
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel So I misspelled a few words. Engish is my first language, along with 3 others. I don't understand why that matters. we are not here to correct spelling mistakes. Any how, believe what you want. Live believing your ancestors were apes if you like. I have comfort knowing that there is a God, our Lord and Creator. Amen
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 it wasn't the spelling. It was the composition and coherency.
I don't believe my ancestors were apes. I know that, its a fact. Whether i like it or not is irrelevant in whether its true,
God makes you feel comfortable.....it doesn't make it true. just comfortable. Its your choice to believe something without evidence. I choose facts and evidence.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel The evidence is in the Bible and all around us. You were created by God for God. Would you please go to Nick Vujicic, "testimony". Even if you don't want to believe, just check it out. I have to have faith, I have 4 kids and one of them is an addict. If he O.D's, I just pray that he loves God.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 the problem is that the bible is not evidence that the bible is true. Testimony is also not evidence. I cannot know that testimony is truth. I cannot know another persons motivations or mind. "the evidence is all around us" is subjective. The evidence for evolution is all around us and testable and demonstrable to others.
I have addicts in my family also. Prayer has not 'saved' them. Hard work, love and support did.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 My issue is this, if there was a god who loved us he would show himself clearly and not in obscure ways. He would show himself to me in a way I could understand and accept. He would show himself whether i was willing or not. He doesn't so either he doesn't exist or he's a jerk.
TheDharmawheel 3 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel God has proved himself in many ways, you just refuse to accept it. You were not evolved from a fish or an ape. Apes are still apes and fish are still fish. We were not created by a blast in space. There has to be a creator for everything you see. Or are you blind to what you see. God gave you a brain to think, to feel, to ask questions, to love or hate. It's all your free will. This is not Heaven, that is why there is suffering, it expalins it in Genisis.
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
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@Janetf16 "The evidence is in the Bible "
So the evidence in Harry Potter is evidence he is real as well ? You dont undewrstand evidence.
"all around us"
No. all around us is evidence of all around us. Not of any god
podoau 2 weeks ago
@Janetf16 "one of them is an addict. If he O.D's, I just pray that he loves God"
Instead of praying, why dont you get of your fat arse and do something constructive to help him
podoau 2 weeks ago
@Janetf16
amen to that. lots of people want proof of God's exist. they question it but has a single one of the none believers questioned the process of evolution that is impossible to witness? in a way, they have a faith in what they cannot see kind of like religious people do. weird huh?
pndwalker 3 weeks ago
@pndwalker Yes there are many religious leadesr and believers, but that doesn't make any of them perfect. We all make misstakes. Although there are many false leaders. The bible tells us to be aware of flase prophets. If there is no God, who wrote the 10 comandments? So perfectly written. fI everyone could obey them, there would be no crime. God knew that we could not keep them all, that is why He sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. Thank you Jesus!
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 i don't believe what i'm reading.it is 2012 and humans still beleave in old wife tales THE BIBLE, If there is no God, who wrote the 10 comandments? ARE YOU FUCKING MAD? a human wrote the 10 comand.youve just said you have 4 kids one is an addict. If he O.D's, I just pray that he loves God.NO NO NO you thick twat you DO what you can. even if that means you tie or chain that child down so it cant get any drugs..fuck you i wash my hands to people like you you stay with JC
david67196 3 weeks ago
@david67196 First off all you don't know the facts. 10 years of trying to help my son. He is 26, 6 ft tall, 200 lbs. In and out of jail for the past 10 years for prescription forgery, 12 felonies. I have flagged him in every pharmacy in our state, including 3 other states.
Sent him to Australia to be with his uncle 6 years ago. Tuna boat for 3 months. lots of jail time. $22,000 in rehab. Now in rehab again. My only regret is not getting him involved in a Christian youth group!
Janetf16 2 weeks ago
@Janetf16 Janet Dear remain strong, you won't get any understanding or sound advice on an athiest site. The only thing they can retort is "Prove It" I will be praying for you!
oscar45515 2 weeks ago
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@oscar45515 "Janet Dear remain strong, you won't get any understanding or sound advice on an athiest site"
Not so. Atheists are more than happy to offer understanding and most cerainly sound advice. Its advice grouded in facts,, not some wishy washy ""pray and it will be all ok" crap
" I will be praying for you! "
Like thats going to acheive anything.. hint.. it wont
podoau 2 weeks ago
@oscar45515 thank you, please pray for my son and all those affected by drug use.
Janetf16 2 weeks ago
@Janetf16 " My only regret is not getting him involved in a Christian youth group!"
And whats makes you think a christian youth group would have made any difference ?? He would have probably have been raped by a pedophile priest
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau It would have been a Christian church were we now attend, which would be a youth group leader, not a Priest. And by the way, not all Priests are bad, just like not all people are bad. There is deception till the end of times. It's in the government as well, public schools, etc.... Just realizethis, nor you or I can change people. It's up to the individual to want to change, an addict has to be broken for Jesus to build him up. God knows i have tried>
Janetf16 2 weeks ago
@david67196 What a piece of wasted life you are! With a tongue like that, I know who is your master! Nothing else to say to you!
oscar45515 2 weeks ago
@david67196 You are one sick, useless good for nothing, son of the devil. Is that the way you speak to your wife, girlfriend or mother.
oscar45515 2 weeks ago
@david67196 The more I listen to you Tossers, I realise that you are the devils children.
Lost and abandoned, without hope, and no possible future unless you break free from satan.
oscar45515 2 weeks ago
@Janetf16 " If there is no God, who wrote the 10 comandments?"3
Some goatherder.
"that is why He sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. "
You cant be serious.. Why didnt jesus die so there was no disease ?? Was that too hard ??
podoau 2 weeks ago
@Janetf16
yeppers I agree. unfortunately for many people, just because you dont believe in something doesnt mean it dont exist.
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker " just because you dont believe in something doesnt mean it dont exist."
Maybe so, but just because you beleive in something doesnt make it real
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau
so true. lol cant argue that :) but to each their own. My faith in God makes me happy and some people's faith in man makes them happy. To each their own ya?
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "To each their own ya? "
Indeed, but when you talk about your god, make sure you mention its just a beleif, and not a fact.
And keep your beleifs out of government, education, and other peoples private lives
podoau 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "lots of people want proof of God's exist"
Thats because none has ever been provided.
"the process of evolution that is impossible to witness?"
Try examining the fossil record, then have a look at gene mapping. The evidence is there
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau
nope, just because a bunch of old guys says it so then it is true? all that gene mapping stuff still doesnt prove the age of anything. Proof has been given in the past. if you read the bible, God provided proof many times over and the same people who has seen the proof, still denied him. Many times has it happens. Even if God showed his face tomorrow and proved his existance to skeptics, it would only take 20 years for the next generation to not believe it and continue on.
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "just because a bunch of old guys says it so then it is true?"
Taking about the bible here I presume
"if you read the bible"
Why should the bible have any credibility ? What evidence is there that its actually the word of any god ?
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau
bible speaks of witnessed events, kind of like our history books. None of us witnessed events that passed hundreds of years ago but they were witnessed by people in the past.
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "kind of like our history books"
No credible history book claims that someone walked on water.
Someone named jesus may well have existed. Did he cure someone of leprosy ?? Did he turn water into wine ??
You cant be serious
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau You know what? God created me! As for you, I will not argue, maybe your ancestors where some nice bana eaters! There you go!
And the proof for what I believe is the same science you advertise! Please enlighten me... Which of your ape ancestors created the DNA? WAKE UP! You keep eating the same bananas buddy! Look for the truth around you! Not in the books! I could write a book and confirm that man was created by pecan nuts! And surely someone will support it! It doesn't mean it is true!
savasvlitohoro 2 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro "God created me"
Prove it
"maybe your ancestors where some nice bana eaters"
If your suggesting that humans evolved from monkeys, then you dont understand evolution
"Which of your ape ancestors created the DNA? WAKE UP! "
None of them. You dont understand evolution do you
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau And the proof for what I believe is the same science you advertise! Please enlighten me... Which of your ape ancestors created the DNA?
savasvlitohoro 2 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro "And the proof for what I believe is the same science you advertise! "
So you have mapped gods DNA ??
"Which of your ape ancestors created the DNA?"
None of them. Apes did not create DNA
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau You know what? If you don't believe in God it's your problem... But believing in Darwin's theory... That is an issue my friend! What's next? Golmann & Sachs is a humanitarian institution????
savasvlitohoro 2 weeks ago
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@savasvlitohoro "But believing in Darwin's theory... That is an issue "
You need to do some real research. Evolution is a testable, provable fact. There is really no discussion about that.
podoau 2 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro "Golmann & Sachs is a humanitarian institution????"
No its not. It was never designed to be.
I have no idea why you think thats relevant
podoau 2 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro "Look for the truth around you"
Ive looked around. All I see is evidence that things exist.
" I could write a book and confirm that man was created by pecan nuts! And surely someone will support it! It doesn't mean it is true! "
I could right a book and claim that someone walked on water. I could write a book and claim some invisible thing created a man from dirt, and then a woman from the mans ribs, while a talking snake watched. Doesnt mean its true
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau Have you ever heard of metaphors? Go to school first and then you can teach me Darwin's fables! That is all about the Old testament... METAPHORS...
savasvlitohoro 2 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro "METAPHORS"
oh yes.. The religious get out of gaol card
The bible is the word of god, every word is true,,,, untill it doesnt makes sense,, then its a metaphor... Let me guess.. other bits a re parables
Who decides what is a metaphior and what isnt ?? You ?? The bit you dont like ??
podoau 2 weeks ago
@savasvlitohoro well even with all the theories, none can be proven true, simply because the fact that no human has witnessed it either. I have read up on darwins theory and it has so many blanks and even admits he could be wrong. Human kind will never be able to witness any sort of evolution except the development of a child in the mother's womb. That little evolution of sperm cell to a baby can been witnessed. Creation of plants and stars and evolution of man cant be witnessed by us.
pndwalker 2 weeks ago
@pndwalker "the fact that no human has witnessed it either"
Evolution has been witnessed
" even admits he could be wrong. "
Darwin wrote the theory 150 years ago. A lot has changed since then, including proving him right ""That little evolution of sperm cell to a baby can been witnessed""
That is not evolution
podoau 2 weeks ago
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@pndwalker "Creation of plants "
BTW<< A new species of plants HAS been witnessed, thus proving evolution. I think your confusing evolution and albiogenesis
"Creation of plants and stars cant be witnessed by us."
So how do you know some god created it ?
podoau 1 week ago
@pndwalker the development of an embryo in the womb is not evolution. evolution is genetic adaptation
barrydubstep 1 day ago
@savasvlitohoro Read Genesis. Then read Mathew. (the Beatitudes)
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
God is not supposed to be saving the moment everytime we screw up! Loving someone does not mean to support him or her no matter what they do! We have created or let others create a world where everything is done solely for money and power. We live our lives in the most UNhealthy ways and yet, we can blaim someone for diseases... It's all God's mistake! YOU COULD LOWER YOUR SELFISHNESS AND LOOK THE TRUTH TO THE EYE! PAIN IS OUR CHOICE! NOT GOD'S... ---->
savasvlitohoro 1 month ago 4
@savasvlitohoro
It's obvious that the person that made this video does not know God or has read the Beatitudes. A good one to watch is the viedeo about Nick Vujicic Testimony.
Janetf16 1 month ago
@savasvlitohoro Exactly! Power and greed! The Bible tell us, the most evil sin is "pride", it's putting oneself above Jesus. "Greed" is the most deadly sin.
We are not worthy of His love, yet his love is unconditional!
Janetf16 3 weeks ago
@Janetf16 "We are not worthy of His love, yet his love is unconditional! "
Unconditional ?? Really ?? SO if I choose to not accept his love, I get sent to hell for all eternity. That sounds like one big condition to me
podoau 2 weeks ago
@podoau You Got it in One Pal. God sent his Son onto death so that you could have Eternal life ok! you have rejected that. If my son was killed so that you could live, and you turned around and Laughed, ridiculed and scourned him, how do you think I would feel toward you? the love of Christ is unconditional, Your Choice Is!