Kannabil is Correct..."The Mandaeans" by Prof. Edmondo Lupieri." Today the term Chaldean means only the Syriac-speaking Christians, originally Nestorians, converted to Catholicism since the 16th century."
No hate here! Just having a debate. Also just to remind you. I brought to your attention the fall of Nineveh & Babylonian chronicles and you came at me with the bible. So sorry but you changed the subject to theology because you couldnt come up with a better answer.
I quote stone tablets of recorded accounts from mesopatamia. You quote the bible a book of faith written by people of isreal.
YOU STARTED THE MIXING MY FRIEND! YOU BROUHGT UP THE BIBLE NOT ME!
Historical facts are written in books and tought in Schools all over the world. They are not written in books of faith and preached in religious places like churches, temples, and mosques. They do have religion classes in universities. But thats what they are religion classes and not history classes.
AND STILL NO STONE TABLETS FROM THE PLACE WHERE THESE KINGS ARE FROM HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE CALL THEM CHALDEANS KINGS. BABYLONIAN KINGS? YES. AKKADIAN KINGS? YES. CHALDEAN KINGS? A BIG NO.
@kannabil99 historical facts "they are not written in books of faith" are you serious? so the Holy Bible does not mention any historical facts? lol man you have lost the plot.
lol have you Berosus, the list of the Chaldean Kings.
e.g did Saddam ever said he was the president of the Arabs?? or President of Iraq? does that mean he was not an Arab??
open your eyes, your hate towards Chaldeans is making you blind to the truth :)
If the Holy Bible is historical fact? Then everyone on earth would be Christians. Its not that easy. There are creation myths written on stone tablets that date back older then the bible and they are not called Adam & Eve. So is it posible that the writters of the bible got stories and myths from other cultures and named the characters something else io make it there own? By the way mythology was the ancient peoples religion.
@kannabil99 azizi forget now everything and your hate towards Chaldean name but THE HOLY BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL DOCUMENT, its not me saying it, its people like historians, archeologists, scholars, the more you deny it, the more you avoid the truth.
People have their own belief, its up to them, the Holy Bible is proven, you want to argue on this go prove those historians wrong.
lol hold on here dear, we are not discussing theology, you are mixing.
I Agree that some of what is in the bible is historical but not all. If the Bible was truely accepted as historical fact then it wouldnt be a book of faith. Besides like I said before. If you ask me would I beleive what the bible says over what is written in stone by the people who were taking accounts of what happened at the time like the fall of Nineveh chronicles & Babylonian chronicles. I would beleive in the fall of Nineveh chronicles & Babylonian chronicles first.
so you only use the part that suits you?? but if the word 'Chaldean' is there then it doesn't exist. you know very well what you say is not excepted.
(YOU ARE WRONG DEAR)
its the other way around, if the Holy Bible wasn't a historical fact, it wouldn't be a true faith because the Holy Bible prophacies and locations mentioned are accurate, unlike the Quran its mentioning of location and history is false, so i'm not sure to which book you refering :)
now in the Holy Bible it clearly mentions Chaldeans and the Chaldean kings, you don't agree, even though you have disregarded the Holy Bible as a historical evidence (i don't know what you believ in) CAN YOU PROVE AND SHOW ME SOURCES THAT SAY THE MENTIONING OF CHALDEAN KINGS IN THE HOLY BIBLE IS FALSE!!!
The fall of Nineveh & Babylonian chronicles are clay tablets wrttien by the people who were there at that time. I beleive the clay tablets are more accurate if you ask me. If clay tablets say Kings of Akkad and the Bible says Kings of Chaldea. I would beleive the clay tablets first.
@Aqoshi Like I have told you Assyrians and Babylonians are both of Akkadian stock. Assyrian believed in God Assur and got the name Assyrians because they were the followers of Assur.
Which gets me to my next point. The fall of Nineveh & Babylonian chronicles/tablets call Nabupolasser & Nebukhadnezzar KINGS OF AKKAD not Chaldeans. All over these clay tablets they are known as KINGS OF AKKAD. It appears the Chaldean name is erroneously used. Research. Find out for yourself. FIND YOURSELF!
Assyria was an empire! Chaldea was never an empire. No Mesopotamian King has ever called himself King of Chaldea. All of the clay tablets or cylinders that have been discovered to date and not one King ever mentioned being King of chaldea. KIngs of Assyria are all over Mesopatamian history. I dont even know why the last 80 or so years of the Babylonian empire were called the Chaldean dynasty.
@Alqoshi, ABC its easy as 123. Written history says this. In Mesopotamian history (A) the sumerians came first, (B) the Akkadians came second, (C) thirdly the Assyrians and Babylonians branched off of the Akkadians. Around the 10th or 9th century BC the Arameans and Chaldeans came into Mesopotamia. Stop trying to distort history to what favors you. Read what AssyrianAmerican100 is writing its historical facts. Thumbs up AssyrianAmerican100!
@kannabil99 what favours me?? i just gave you a quote from ancient figure, did i make it up?? lol. i suggest you to read on the first Euphrates people/proto-Chaldeans. where did Chaldeans come from in 9th century????????? the reason why Chaldeans became known to "Ancient Assyrians" (cause "Modern Assyrians" are ethnic Chaldeans) they became known to them is because they started rebelling against them so that is why they start being mentioned. "Assyrian" is a religious term, followers of Ashur
He writes “They extended to Egypt westward and eastward to the Ganges.” The Chaldean dynasty that ruled Babylonia never ruled Egypt, and definitely never reached the Ganges, which is in India.
“These were the Accadians of Chaldea,” The ancient Chaldeans were not Akkadians, only the Assyrian and Babylonians were.
“ [Chaldeans] looked to the southwest of the Caspian for the cradle of their race." I suggest you look up where the Caspian sea is, you then will see how wrong he.
@AssyrianAmerican100 they never extended to Egypt?? if i provide sources that do say Chaldean reached Egypt would you accept it and not deny it like a typical "Modern Assyrian"??
first: "Ancient assyrians" were a mixed race its basically a religious name and later became as an ethnicity, who ever followed the God Ashur was called Ashurian/Assyrian, so dont say they were Akkadians. Chaldean are from South of Mesopotamia, where did the Akkadians come from? south or north??
(i know where south of caspian sea is and im sure Dineses knew where it was) south of Cspian sea its refering to southward which is the direction to Mesopotamia, historians were not waiting for you to solve this puzzle.
@Alqoshi, First of all I dont know arabic and secondly I dont really care much for Mr Kanna thoughts or beleifs. I feel he has done more harm to the Assyrian plight than good.
@kannabil99 no he hasn't done harm to "Modern Assyrians" but he has harmed Chaldeans and other Iraqi Christians he is a traitor, one day he is a Bathist, then he is a Kurd, then Shia, Sunni, Assyrian, Akkadian, i mean for God sake, what type on a man is he.
@Alqoshi, Jacob Bryant was mythographer. He tried to link mythology with the bible. The key word here is tried. If your baseing anything on a book that he wrote I think your in trouble.
I will tell you again Chaldeans moved into mesopatamia circa 9th century BC. Historians say this, not me or some beleiver of mythology.
@kannabil99 lol please read dont just comment straight away, i dont care about Jacob Bryant mythology or believes, i care about what he is quoting from Dionysus.
9th century lol NO NO and NO, if its true then tell me where did they come from?
Chaldeans are the proto-euphrates, before even the followers of the God Ashur (Assyrians)
Dionysus historical accounts is all wrong. Dionysus (supposedly) writes that “ The Chaldeans were the most ancient inhabitants of the country called by their name.” They were not, the ancient Sumerians definitely predate them in Mesopotamia.
He further writes “They seemed to be the most early constituted and settled of any people on the earth.” Again wrong, the Chaldeans didn’t appear in any written history till the Assyrians wrote about them in the 9th cen. BC.
@AssyrianAmerican100 big statements you making there mr. why because its in favour of the Chaldeans?what about the proto-Chaldeans aka the first euphrates people?so when their name was mentioned by Ancient Assyrians in 9th century BC, so in 10th century they did not exist? they just appeard straight away on in the 19th century!! yet you ignore all the sources,Berosus,Dioneses etc.the funny thing is you want to accept you (modern assyrians) as a source and ignore the ancient sources.
Secondly it is writtin that the Chaldeans entered mesopatamia around 9th century BC. I didn't make that up. So dont blame it on me.
3rd thing is as that they only ruled for 82 years over an already established Assyrio/Babylonian empire/culture. And actually the last Babylonian ended up being King Nabonidus who was said to be of Assyrian stock.
GO GAZE AT SOME STARS! ********* They might believe what you have to say.
Bryant in his Ancient Mythology (Vol. III, p. 226) quotes from Dionysus "The Chaldeans were the most ancient inhabitants of the country called by their name. They seemed to be the most early constituted and settled of any people on the earth. They seem to have been the only people who did not migrate at the general dispersion. They extended to Egypt westward and eastward to the Ganges.These were the Accadians of Chaldea, who looked to the southwest of the Caspian for the cradle of their race."
@kannabil99 lol are you talking about your feelings? or history?
I'm very busy these days but i promise you sooner or later I'll be publishing a video with ONLY small amount of historical facts and documents about the Chaldean Ethnicity, and then we will see wether anyone can question them or reject them.
They re-introduced hereditary succession within the Church hierarchy and jointly controlled Assyrian Church affairs for a period of 312 years.
This period often referred to as the ‘Qudshanis era' and is most famous for two things namely; restoring independence from Rome and re-labeling the ‘Chaldean’ identity to the ‘Assyrian’ as it is known today. Their joint destiny came to an end when both distant cousins died in the mid-1970s.
Dynastical Aboona family were dictatorial to the extreme, they insisted that both Patriarchs of the two Churches and the Metropolitans, Bishops, Monks, Archdeacons and Priests all be chosen from the ‘Aboona family’. So, a year after his own consecration, Mar Shimun XIII went about consecrating his first cousin Mar Sargis Khnanishu I as 'Metropolitan of Rustaqa for Shamizdin' in 1663, this made him the second most powerful man in the church and the Patriarch's right hand man. Continue to next
In 1661, the bishops of this ‘Chaldean Church’ revolted against union with Rome and deposed Mar Yualla Shimun XII of Jilu. The following year in 1662, a new Patriarch was chosen Mar Dinkha Shimun XIII, who was a bishop and Patriarch in waiting (Nadtir Kursi) of the old Nestorian Church of Alqosh (the rival church) and a member of the Patriarchal and Dynastical ‘Aboona family’. Mar Dinkha was the first in the line of Quchanis Patriarchs, known as the Mar Shimuns.
The Matran family jointly controlled the ‘Assyrian Church of the East’ for 314 years.
Few realize that between 1553–1661 for a period of 108 years, this branch of today's ‘Assyrian Church of the East’ became known as ‘The Chaldean Catholic Church’ and was loyal to the Pope. Some historians label this era as the ‘Jilu period’, as three of the last five Catholic Patriarchs were from the Jilu Tribe.
Matran is an Assyrian word for Metropolitan or Archbishop. The 'Metropolitans of Shamizdin' based at the Mar Ishu Monastery in the area of Nochiya in south east Turkey, have always been known by their hereditary title of Mar Khnanishu. History records that there were at least 12 Metropolitans of Shamizdin since 1580 but the first two were not related to the Gida line and were actually loyal to the Pope. Continue to next post
@kannabil99 When the Chaldeans took over Assyria, the Chaldeans made the Assyrians change there language, the old Assyrian DID NOT speak sureth they spoke akkadian, the present say Assyrian language came from Chaldeans, the assyrians changed the dialect and changed the name of it to Sureth.
The spirit of Christ has been around since the begining of time therefore cant have a mother. Mary is the mother of Christ in the human form. She cannot be the mother of god spiritually. The Virgin Mary has not been around since the begining of time thus cannot be the mother of the creator. Unless the Catholic church believes mary is the creator of all?
In modern times the Assyrian Church of the East, a modern descendant of the historical Church of the East, reveres Nestorius as a saint, although the modern church does not subscribe to the entirety of the Nestorian doctrine as it has traditionally been understood in the West. It has been a misconception by the Catholic Church that the Assyrian Church believed that Jesus spirit and flesh were never at any time combined which is not true.
The Eastern Orthodox church=Greek/Serbian/Russian and Assyrian Church of the East all believe in Theotokos. Theotokos specifically excludes the understanding of Mary as Mother of God in the eternal sense. Christians believe that God is the cause of all, with neither origin nor source, and is therefore "without a mother." This stands in contrast to classical Greco-Roman religion in particular, where a number of divine
@kannabil99 to be honest i don't get you, do you want to talk about ethnicities or religion? cause you bringing up different denominations. "Merry is Mother of God" with all respect, seriously are you naive? don't you know what it means ... i suggest you read the catholic faith as well as Orthodox faith so that you know what it means .
The Greek, Russian, Serbian, and Assyrian Churches all dont believe in the Mary Mother of God thing. You honestly beleieve the creator of all has a mother. Holy Mary Mother Of God. How silly does that sound. Please read on Nestorian schism.
@kannabil99 Greek Orthodox YES they Do believe Merry is Mother of God as a matter of fact recent studies/debates between Catholics and Protestant and it turns out that Protestants are very close in the same way Catholics reflect to Merry . YES I DO BELIEVE, don't just come to conclusion you have to know where the idea come from btw lets stay focus on our subject and not go into religion. Nastorian don't believe Merry as mother of God
I apologize I responded with my phone and it never went through.
I dont think you have your facts straight. It is over the Nestorian schism. Nestorius believed that the spirit of Jesus and the flesh of Jesus were carried seperately in the womb. Look up Nestorian schism to see.
Another thing is, I dont consider the Catholic Church the authority on Christianity.
In fact I believe the Catholic Church is one of the very few Churches who believes the Mary Mother of God thing.
@kannabil99 I think you misunderstood me here, I said the "Assyrian Church" NOT "Nastroian", i do know the Nastorian did not believe as Virgin Merry Mother of God but Mother of Jesus, I do know that. BUT did you know that the "Assyrian Church" doesn't not believe in Nastorian anymore, i already expalined to you before, because of the Nastorian belief they were labeled as hertics by the Vatican so with the help of Bishop Mar Bawi Soro who went to Rome with Mar Dinkha and they explained that >>>>
@kannabil99 the Virgin Merry is Mother of God this was one of the main reasons that they were labeled as hertics for following Nastorian but then after the went to Rome and explained their belief the term heric was removed. I'm realy surprised for you not knwing this! you say you are an Assyrian, ask your Church leaders and find out.
did you have a look at the websites i gave you about the DCUMENTS AND THE STAMP? what do you think? any comment?
I do all of my research on the internet. Proto Chaldeans are no where to be found. And I did go through this with you already. You Just want to ignore my older posts that gave you all of the people that ruled over Babylon way before the Chaldean dynasty came about.
I learned one thing growing up. If I was to beleive everthing that my Assyrian elders told me about Assyrian history growing up I would be misled.
@kannabil99 is that all, so if its not on the net then it doesn't exist? you never heard of them, you do know the net is full of junk! did you know that there are thousands of books by historians that arn't available on the net for free? did you know there is alot of historical documents that arn't available on the net.
No we did not go through Proto-Chaldeans we never talked about or mentioned them but i duno why you said we already been throught it.. hmm. Research more on proto-Euphrates
I'll tell you a couple of differences that I know. #1 the Catholic church calls Virgin Mary the mother of God. The Church of the East beleives it is blasphime to even think that.
#2 In the Catholic Church first cousins are married with no problem. The Church of the East it is not allowed. I know this because a friend of mine had to get married at the Chaldean Church for this reason. These are just 2 differences. I'm sure there are more.
@kannabil99 #1 That was the Nastorian beliefe the Merry is Mother of Jesus but not Mother of God (NASTORIAN BELIEF) but that is the reason why its labled as hertic by the Vatican. Then, when Mar Bawai (wth his help) and Mar Dinkha went to the Vatican and they did confirm that Merry is Mother of God/Jesus so that is why the "Assyrian Church" is no longer a hertic in the Vatican's eyes. ( I'm realy surprised you don't know that).
@kannabil99 #2 You are correct cousins do get married. but I thought when you said 'idiology' you were talking about their theology.
btw Mar Dinkha wanted the term 'hertic' to be removed from 'Assyrian Church" even though they dislike the Vatican/Catholics, but all thanks to Mar Bawai for doing that.
Irish people come from Ireland, Russians come from Russia and so on. We are from ancient Assyrian lands. Chaldea was far south along the Persian Gulf. So the people who presently live where ancient Chaldea is along the Persian Gulf and believe it or not those peoples ancestors are Chaldean. Beleive it or not that most of the Arabs of Iraq are of Babylonian and Assyrian stock.
@kannabil99 again it seems that you have problem with reading! WATCH MY VIDEO ITS ALL THERE.
I live in America, do i come from America? you live in America do you originally came from America? so its not hard to migrate thousand's of Miles from Middle East (Asian continent) all the way to USA (North American continent) yet its hard to migrate within Iraq from South to North, now seriously where is the logic? is this your historical facts? migrating doesn't change you ethnicty
I'm not going through this again with you. I have yet to find any historical evidence of any proto Chaldeans. Believe me I have looked! Historical evidence only knows Chaldeans to have entered Mesopatamia around the same time the Arameans in 900BC.
Please dont give me any pro Chaldean sites to look at. They are written by Chaldeans for Chaldeans. I dont look for historical evidence at pro Assyrian websites.
@kannabil99 you never did go through it with me? I can't recall us talking about Proto-Chaldeans but other accounts have, so that raises a question, but anyways.
Well its easy for you to make statements but its hard to go an research for something that you seemed to be concerned about, I'm not telling you to go and read Chaldeans written articles but go and research and that is why I said coffee shop talk because what you say it what sounds like. reasearch on Proto-Chaldeans
The Assyrian Church Of The East is still the Church Of The East and never changed. The Chaldean Catholic Church split and are under The Pope. The Catholic Church has different idealogy and beliefs from the Church Of The East.
Therfore the Chaldean Church is not part of the Nestorian beliefs and truly split from the Church Of The East.
@kannabil99 are you now talking religion? or ethnicity? cause you bringing Churchs and saying they got differnt idiologies.?? but i'll comment.
what is the difference between "Catholic Church has different idealogy and beliefs" and "Church of the East"? The Natorian Church was labled a heretic to the Vatican but with the help of Mar Bawai. He and Mar Dinkha went to Rome the term 'HERTIC' was removed so Mar Dinkha's Church. you don't seem to know much do you. only what suits you.
@kannabil99 its very strange you claiming to know your history but you never have come across the CHURCH STAMP. here is the link, there few documents using this stamp.
w w w . kaldu . org/ DailyNews/12_Dec06/News_Dec30_06_A1 . html
more proof for you to read
w w w . kaldaya.net/2010/HistoricalChaldeanDocuments/HistoricalChaldeanDocuments . html
Coffe shop talk is what I say vs what you say. I am giving you historical documentation.
Regardless I was born in the lands of the Assyrians and so were you. I would rather be asscociated with the greater, richer, longer history of the Assyrians. Assyrian date back to their ancestors the Akkadians. The fisrt records of Chaldeans only date back to 900BC and were mentioned by the Assyrians. Babylon has been around way before the Chaldeans. Chaldeans were were only short part of Babylonian Emp.
@kannabil99 Indeed, as you point out. The ancient Chaldeans were a foreign element that had entered southern Mesopotamia in the 9th cent. At that time the Assyro-Babylonian civilization had flourished for many centuries.
Bryant in his Ancient Mythology (Vol. III, p. 226) quotes from Dionysus "The Chaldeans were the most ancient inhabitants of the country called by their name. They seemed to be the most early constituted and settled of any people on the earth. They seem to have been the only people who did not migrate at the general dispersion. They extended to Egypt westward and eastward to the Ganges. These were the Accadians of Chaldea, who looked to the southwest of the Caspian for the cradle of their race."
@kannabil99 so you saying that 900bc sundently the Chaldeans got created !! before that they were not around??
i tell you something and that is where some get it wrong, Yes the Chaldeans did start revluting around the 900BC and so on against the crule rule of the 'Ancient Assyrians' but the doesnt mean they were not around, go read on prot-Chaldeans aka proto-euphrates, you will finid that Chaldeans were before the religious term 'Assyrian' dont forget the they got labled coz of the God 'Ashur'
The name Chaldean had became fashionable among the Christians since the 12th century AD when some syriac writers such as Basil Bar Shumana came to believe that the city of Urfa known as Urhay in northern Mesopotamia was the ancient sumerian city called Ur of Chaldee of the Old Testament from which Abraham migrated to Cannon. This as we know it is not true.
@kannabil99 You’ve brought up something that a lot of people are unaware of historically. Namely, that it was the 12th cent. Syriac writer Basil Bar-Shumana, who had erroneously identified Ur-hay as being the Biblical “Ur of the Chaldess.” that eventually made the term “Chaldean” very popular among East Assyrians.
@kannabil99 It’s interesting how much they want you to answer the question concerning the Mar Shoumon seal.
There is another very famous patriarchal seal stamped on a latter from Mar Yahaballaha, patriarch of the Church of the East (1281-1317), dated in the year 1302 and sent to Pope Boniface VIII. On that seal ( which all previous patriarchs used) the term “Chaldeans” does not appear.
The term Chaldeans had been previously officially used by the Council of Florence in 1445 as a new name for a group of Nestorians of Cyprus who entered in Full Communion with the Catholic Church.[15] Rome followed to use the term Chaldeans to indicate the members of the Church of the East in Communion with Rome (mainly not to use the term Nestorian that was theologically unacceptable).
Yohannan Sulaqa was given the title of "Patriarch of Mosul and Athur" (Assyria) in Rome,[11] not in a restrictive sense, but meaning of the Church of the East. The Chronicle of the Carmelites states that Sulaqa was proclaimed Patriarch of the Eastern Assyrians but on April 19, 1553 the title was changed to Patriarch of the Chaldeans.
@kannabil99 Yes Chaldeans were Nastroians who belonged to the Church of the East when they joined the Church was labled "Chaldean Church" to distinguish it from the Nastorian Church of the East, that is the CHURCH not the PEOPLE.
the word "Assyria" is reffering to an area NOT people, when i say "Iraq" is a name of a country, so now that Jalal Talabani is the president of Iraq, does it mean he is an Arab? since "iraq" i known to be an Arab country. Same thing "Athur" is a region not people.
haha go read mesopotamie quite and clearly starting from flood our master (NOAH ) in that time the gulf was south samera currently ( north baghdad) mean south saera to basra was sea we know
noah's ark steady on JODY according to quran NOAH established village in foothill of JUDY today sharnaoh in north kurdistan SHARNAOH in kurdish meaning Noah city first village after flood Noah for info zakho is name of geadson of noah to forthat kurdistan cradle of civilation
It's apparent you have no answers to my earlier posts. It's also apparent you have learned when losing a debate to start arguing with your opponent. No need to answer this post. SINCE YOU HAVE NO GAME! I WILL GO PLAY FAR AWAY.
@kannabil99 there is a known saying "the thruth hurts but the truth helps", everytime a 'modern Assyrian' like you opens this subject with me convinces me more that they running avoiding the truth. Therefore its good of you TO GO AND PLAY FAR AWAY
@Alqoshi لا تغير عنوان الافلاف الي تخليها لانو ماكو اي ذكر لاسم الكلدان بكل الافلام الي انت تغير العنوان لو اليوجيوب ما يقبل التغير ما تكدر تخلي فلم واحد انت مو من القوش شنو خابصنا بابيل القوش هية قلب بلاد اشور الاثار الوجودة كولهة اشورية في القوش من بابل الا ايران و تركيا هسة قريتك داير مداير
(نينوى لو صارلك بيها الاف السنين اوتوماتيكي راح تتحول لا تنكر الارض الي تاكل من عدهه ابحث عن اسم العا ئلة شوف من وين اصلك (عوائل القوش اريد اعرف اشلون تركتو بابيل العضيمة ال دوختونة بيهه وعشتو في نينو
@nosninos 1)so what part of the title is wrong? let me guess 'Chaldean', before i answer your first question, what part of the title does not connect with the video?.
2)Yes I'm Alqoshnaya.
3) Are you annoyed because i brag on about Babylon and Alqosh? it's simple because I'm proud :).
4) Alqosh and all the surrounding area other villages was a camp for prisoners and a lot of Chaldean prisoners were taken there by the Assyrian Kings, Chaldean prisoners played a big role in building it.
wean u downlod movies dont uplod ander defrent name like the movies call the babylon mysetry and there is no mention off any chaldean or king off chalden i can upload it as assyrian becuse assyrian role babylon fore long time or amoriets or elma or kassite dynasty or assyrian wean they defetit evry one and the control babylon and the putt there own king like samas suma ukin brother off assurbanibal and thenالقبائل الكلدية او راح نسميها فارسية لان حكموها اكثر او مسادوني او عربية لاكن بقت بابل
@nosninos you didn't answer none of my questions, i wonder why? but I'll comment on you.
You can't call the video 'Assyrian' because its about NebuchednezzerII the Chaldean King of Babylon and its about the Chaldean Empire or Neo-Babyloian Empire, so whether i call it Chaldean or not he is still a Chaldean King but you on what basis you would call it 'Assyrian' whats the connection? Assyrians ruled Babylon? more like Assyrians destroyed Babylon. watch my video 'Chaldean Empire' with sources.
5)Babylon is NOT Assyrian, as a matter of fact Ancient Assyrian kings burned Babylon and destroyed it.
6) The last Assyrian Empire/Country fell into the hands of the Chaldeans 612BC and Assyria never had an Empire after that, Chaldean Empire stayed in power for about 87years that is like 3 generations, what do you think, how did Chaldean took over Nineveh by staying in Babylon? and what about the prisoners that were taken before that Chaldeans rose? plus other reason ..its in my video
سنحاريب دمر بابيل لي سبب فشل البابلين من حمايت ابنه لاكن بناهه ابنهو اسيرحدون والد اشور بانيبال حسب الواح الطين اكدر اقول لاكة صارت اشورية100 %100 لانو الفضل كان لالملك الاشوري بقت بابل الى اليوم هاذا .هسة اكدر اكولك انو الشعب البابلي انتها او انصهر في الشعب الاشوري بل احرا ما كان طلع اسم الكلدان بس اسرحدون بناها خلال 11 سنة لو كانت ورا 70 سنة مثل ما امر سنحاريب هسة مكان صار هذا النقاش لازم تشكر وا تفتحر بلاشورين الاذين بنو لكم بابل الي هسة تريدون تسوها مالتكوم
سقوط نينوى استغلة الميدس تدهور الاحوال في نينوي فسقطة اشور شرقاط حالين بيد الميدس وصل الجيش البابلي متاخر بعدين الجيش الميدي بي مساعدة نبوبلاصرمع الجيش البابلي لم يذكر اسم الكلدان (طبعن كان اكو بعد اعداء سقطو نينوى كا امبيراطورية وليس كشعب اذا كان اكو اسرة راح ياخزون الاسرة يرجعون الى بابل العضيمة شراح يسون بنينوى المتدمرة الي كانو حهقدين عليها لانو ماكو اثار بابلية في بلاد اشور نحن نعرف طبعن الملوك كانو افتخرو بفتوحاتهم ودونوها هسة انتو في القوش كنتو الاسرة لو الجيش النسوان كانو موجودين مع
@Alqoshi من سئلتك عن اسم العئلة ما راديت لانو الكثير من العوائل الالقوشية اصلهة من تياري وهكري اي اشورين لو هم كانو اسرة لللاشورين لانو ماكو اي قطعة اثرية كلدانية في شمال العراق وكل الاثار الموجودة اثار اشورية في القوش وجميع المناطق الاخرة حيث وصفها توماتوماس القوش في بلاد اشور لازم تفتخر لانك من القوش الاشورية لانها في نينوى كما هناك الكثير من المارخين الالقوشين يفتخيرون بزالك محبتن بكم ننسوبكم الى الاشوريون وليسه بلعكس على كل حال ان اقول انك اشوري انت تقول اني كلداني النتيجة واحدة اخو .
@nosninos where do you get this information from? I just asked you about the Chaldean prisoners taken by the Ancient Assyrians kings and the prison happened to be in where today's Chaldean villages are Nineveh plains, as well as the last Assyrian Empire falling into the hands of the Chaldeans and Chaldeans stayed in power for around 87years that's like three generations, can you answer that?
@nosninos so who ever lives in North of Iraq (which USED to be called Assyria) has to be 'Assyrian' is that so? so according to this that means Kurds, Turkmans, Yazidi, Armenians, Suryani, Chaldeans are all Assyrians? where is the logic here? I live in USA does that not make me from Iraq? just cause people migrate from one place to another their ethnicity doesn't change. I'm not sure if its a true statement about Toma Tomas but lets say it is, last time i Checked Toma Tomas was not a historian.
@Alqoshi الكلدانين الي خابصنة بيها اشو اول معركة مدابروهة مع العلم الفارسين دمرو الميديس والبابلين لانو الاشورين ما كانو موجودين ليودافعون عن بابل الدينية علا كل حال ليس هناك اثار بابلية او الوهح طين يزكورون فيها انهم كلدان فلكلدان في بابل كنو طبقة متعلمين مناجمين كما ذكرتهم في الفيديو من غير ما تقصد كما سماهم نبوخت نصر في سفر دانيل او كما سماهم اشور لاهل البدو حسب اشعيا او البرفيسور روبرت هاند تاريخ علم الفلك اوالموارخ الروماني سوتونيوس او الموسوعة الكاثولكية الااخره هناك الكثير
I wasnt asking you any questions. My last few posts were historical facts disproving some of the things you claimed in your earlier posts! All you have to do is read each one, do your research and find out for yourself. If you cant handle the truth that is your problem. Remeber this is not you against me. it's you against historical facts.
@kannabil99 look who is talking about historical facts !! look if you have a question ask but if you want just to say what you feel like or not accepting the sources that i provide to you. GO PLAY FAR AWAY.
@Alqoshi الاسرة لو كانو مع الجيش لانو نبو بلاصر مات في بابل بعدين نبوخت نصر البابلي اخز العرش وسوى فتوحات ظد مصر ظد فلسطين ضط اسرايل جلب اسرى من اسرائل الا بابل هسة بابل صارة اسرائلية طبعن لا لان الاسرة يزبون في الشعب الي منسوبين اليه قوانين السبي مثل الفيديو الي انت منزلة كلدان اسرائيل مع العلم اصلهم يهود علا كل حال عندمة تسقط دولة لايتغير اسم الشعب لو مابقت بابل كان نسميها فارسية او مستدونية او عربية لماذا لاتكتب كيف سقطة بابل الي كنت حليفة مع الميدس على يد الفرس مثل شرب المى وينهم
الموارخين يشهدون علا ذالك مثل هنري ساغس هيرودوتس اليوناني الي وصف بابل من اجمل بلاد اشور وعن مشاركت الاشوريون ككتااب في جيش الفرس والبروفيسور جون نورتس عن وفود اشورية تزور الملكداريوس والموارخ اريان كانو اشوريون قد شاركو في بناء قنوات المياه في بابل بس كولي فت شغلة وين الاثار الكلدانية اذا ماكو اثار ماكو حضارة لاتقل لي بابلية اكو الكثير من الدلائل الي تواكد انو الاسم الكلداني اطلق على المنقسمين من كنيسة المشرق اذا تقراء كتاب مار دلي عندما كان نائب لم يذكر اسم كنيسة كلدانية
@nosninos where do you get this info from? Assyrians destroyed Babylon.
You starting to mix up now, are talking about Church of the East and Chaldeans joining the Vatican? this is another subject and bare in mind a stamp used by he Church of the east whom recently 'Assyrian' was added to it, was using a STAMP saying "HUMBLE SHIMUN PATRIARCH OF THE CHALDEANS" that's in your Church. I've commented on you for the second time, can you answer my previous questions please or maybe I'll make a video
ok i'm going to repeat myself again and say to give you your last chance. If you want to discuss something ask a question and that is one question at a time, when your question is answered we go to the next, do you know the rules of a dicussion or debate ? if you think you got thinks to say remember I GOT MORE THAN YOU. After you finished asking all questions i will only ask you one question that's all i don't want to ask you that qustion at dstart because it will end our discussion
Earlier you mentioned Iranians Arabs not being the Same. Iranians are speakers of the native tongue Pharsi not Arabic. So that is a bad comparison. We speak the same language and have the same writing and to me that means same ehtnicity.
The Chaldean Church only dates back to around the 1550's AD. Yohannan Sulaqa joined the Roman Catholic Church. He was given the tittle "Patriarch of Mosul and Athur (Assyria)", a title soon changed to "Patriarch of the Chaldeans" by the Roman Catholic Church. For the first 1550 years your people were followers of the Church of the East/Assyrian Church of the East and dont beleive the word Chaldean was used much by these people.
@kannabil99 ok i'm going to repeat myself again and say to give you your last chance. If you want to discuss something ask a question and that is one question at a time, when your question is answered we go to the next, do you know the rules of a dicussion or debate ? if you think you got thinks to say remember I GOT MORE THAN YOU. After you finished asking all questions i will only ask you one question that's all i don't want to ask you that qustion at dstart because it will end our discussion
@kannabil99 Do you know how the Patriarch works? It comes from families. "Patri" and "archons" are Greek for "Linage ruler". Youhannan Sulaqa's family ruled a certain part of the Church of the East. When they decided to split, the whole side of his Patriarch split. The name "Chaldean" was the name of his people. Henceforth, we call ourselves the "Chaldean Church". "Patriarch:Babylonens Chaldeoruim" Meaning, "The patriarch of the Babylonian Chaldean Referendum.
We can also talk Churches. The Ancient Church of the East/Assyrian Church of the East are the oldest churches in the history of Mesopotamia. They are Apostolic churches and the Patriarchs date back to 33 AD and were established by Christ's Apostles.
@kannabil99 There are only 3 churches left from the original Nestorian church. The Chaldean Catholic Church, the Assyrian Church of the East and The Ancient Church of the East. The Chaldean Catholic was the first to split. Then followed the Assyrian Church centuries later, then the Ancient Church of the East. All these churches did belong to the Church of the East, which Peter himself told Toma and Addai to start while in Rome.
The reason I went on to talk about Mesopatamian history is because in an earlier post you stated that Chaldeans date as far back as Sumerians. This is FALSE! The first mention of the Chaldean tribes was around 900 BC by the Assyrians. By 900 BC the Sumerians had already faded into the Akkadian/Assyrian way of life. What I am posting is all documented and a historical fact. No fabrications.
I also wish you would stop posting that the Assyrians were wiped off the face of earth when they were defeated by the Medes, Scythians, Cimmerians and Babylonians/Chaldeans tribes. There were still Assyrian kingdoms as late as the 1st and 2nd century A.D. Look up Osreone/Eddessa and Adiabene and you will know Assyria was still in exsistance not too long ago. But I dont know if you can say the same of the Chaldeans.
Nabopollasar made alliance with the Medes, Scythians, Cimmerians and faught against Assyria for four years and defeated the Assyrians. Yes the Egyptians Allied with the Assyrians but by the time they got there to help it was too little too late.
To finish please research what I posted earlier about the Mesopotamia. You will find the Chaldeans were Johnny Come Latelies. And only gained power because they allied with three other persian Kingdoms (outsiders) against their Semetic brothers.
@kannabil99 i know who Chaldeans are. and not 3 kingdoms and btw Assyrians allied with the Egyptians. but now let go to the subject, you are jumping from modern history to ancient history, let discuss one of them, with logic and common sense and sources.
Also you seem to have a problem with Assyria destroying Babylon. I beleive I answered why that was in one of my earlier post. But my point is not long ago son killed father, brother killed brother to gain power of a kingdom. Why is it hard to believe that neighboring kingdoms of the same ethnicity wouldn't try to destroy and conquer each other gain a larger kingdom.
Let me summarize. The first people in Mesopotamia are known as the Sumerians 5000bc. The Akkadians 2400bc then moved in and coexisted along side the Sumerians. From the Akkadians came the Assyrians 2200bc and that is fact. So when you say Proto-Chaldean it must mean around 900bc. That is the first mention of Chaldeans/Bit Yakin(900bc). If you try to say that the Chaldeans were around when the Sumerians were in Mesopotamia that is false info. Only Akkadians can lay claim to that.Akkadian=Assyrian
So all these wars that were waged against Babylon by the Assyrians was to drive out the Amorites and Kassites whom were outsiders that had taken control of thier ancestrol Akkadian land. In Messopotamian history the Chaldeans are found to have entered the picture of Messopotamia in around 900 bc. It is about the same time that the Arameans entered the land of the Assyrian/Akkadian/Sumerian.
Next I would like to tell you when the Amorite rule of Babylon fell, the Kassites ruled over Babylon for the longest period for around 500 years. Again the Assyrians went to war to gain control of thier ancestrol land from these outsiders.
The Assyrians did gain control of thier ancestrol from the Kassites and Babylon was under Assyrian rule for about 300 to 400 years.
Back to what we are talking about. It is a fact that the Assyrians are direct decendants of the Akkdians.
After the Akkadian Empire fell, Babylon was ruled by Amorite Kings for a few hundred years. One of those Amorite Kings being Hammurabbi. At this time the Assyrians faught against the Amorites to gain control of thier ancestors in Babylon.
hold on here, you are changing the subject! is your issue Chaldeans joining the Vatican and that we are not Chaldeans or the the past ancient Chaldeans history? so that i know. we were discussing who are the Chaldeans and Assyrians of today !
You must understand what a word means before you approach it with a closed mind thinking it important and hoping to create something out of nothing. What is the study of Assyria? Is it the study of a vanished evil empire that made enemies everywhere? Is it the study of a concurred and forever obliterated empire? Where is the glory in that to even consider studying it?
For your information, and if you have ever opened an English dictionary, you can see the
suffix “ology” comes from the Greek language and it means “the study of”! So, all you have to do is add a noun in front of it and it becomes the study of that particular word, in your case Assyria + ology! It could be Alqoshiology, or Kannabilology, and so on…
I also want to add it doesn't matter to me if you call me Akkadian, Assyrian, or Babylonian. They are all ethnicly the same. They spoke the same language, had the same form of writing, and beleived in the same gods of the time. What makes them ethnicly different? NOTHING!
As far as I know there is no Chaldean language. In Universities around the world they study Assyriology. There is no such thing as the study of Chaldiology. Because Chaldeans are part of the Assyrian/Babylonian stock.
@kannabil99 NO its not, if you were Babylonian you would say Babylonian or Akkadian and nothing else as to us Chaldeans YES you can call us Babylonians cause we are Babylonians and the Bible does say Babylon is ours as well as our Empire was Babylon, if you believe in the same God and have same writing doesn't make you same ethnicity, are Iranians and Arabs the same?
@kannabil99 Who said there was Assyrian Language? there has never been an Assyrian language in human history. Proto Chaldeans are before Assyrians :) they go back during Sumerian time.
@kannabil99 For your information, and if you have ever opened an English dictionary, you can see the
suffix “ology” comes from the Greek language and it means “the study of”! So, all you have to do is add a noun in front of it and it becomes the study of that particular word, in your case Assyria + ology! It could be Alqoshiology, or Kannabilology, and so on…
@kannabil99 You must understand what a word means before you approach it with a closed mind thinking it important and hoping to create something out of nothing. What is the study of Assyria? Is it the study of a vanished evil empire that made enemies everywhere? Is it the study of a concurred and forever obliterated empire? Where is the glory in that to even consider studying it?
Oh and your first patriach Mar Shimun Youhana Sulaqa who was dubbed Patriarch of the Catholic Church of Athur and later changed the athur to Chaldean. One of his ancestors is Mar Shimun of the Assyrian Church of the East. I can be sure that the stamp you are talking about is only 500 years old and not older than the Assyrian of the East. I think your reaching.
@kannabil99 Patriarch of Athur ! Do you know what the Bishops of America are called? Chaldean Bishop of Detroit Michigan or Chaldean Bishop of San Diego California, can anyone after 1000 years say that Chaldeans were the Red Indians? Most Chaldeans live in the North of Iraq where once it was used to be called Assyria, so does that means we are Assyrians? NO.
@kannabil99 The stamp is used by the Church of the East that wasn't Catholic, get it ! as a matter of fact a document (letter) of the Assyrian Church in 1933 its got that stamp on it and it has been translated wrong ! check it yourself :)
Lets get one thing strieght Chaldeans are Babylonians not the other way around. Babylon was part of the Assyrian empire for for alot longer the 87 years of the chaldees. Actualy the Kassites ruled over Babylon for more than 600 years which is also alot longer than the Chaldeans. At that time governers were called kings of thier villages. There has never been a Chaldean Empire only a Chaldean Dynasty that rose to power to take control of an existing empire for 87 years.
@kannabil99 Chaldeans are people of Babylon, Babylon is ours. Assyrians destroyed Babylon read on the Assyrian Kings what they done to it, if something belongs to you, you don't destroy it. Yes it was part of the Ancient Assyrian Empire it was a conquered land that's all, it wasn't Assyrian land. did you say there was never a Chaldean Empire? proof and sources to support what you say. ( soon a video of the Chaldean Empire will be on ) :))))))
In the end we can agree to disagree on most things but I hope we can agree we are the same people. No matter if we call ourselves Assyrians, Chaldeans, or Syriacs.
Did all the Assyrians perish and only the Chaldean outsiders are left?
Its funny how the Catholics only call themselves Chaldeans and Nestorians only call themselves Assyrian and the Jacobites only call themselves Syriacs. Does not anyone see a problem with this?
I also wanted to add that Babylon was not populated by only Chaldeans. Also the Chaldean Dynasty was the shortest riegn in mesopotamian history. Yes I know it was a fantastic 87 years.
Assyrians and Babylonians come from Akkadian stock. So maybe we can say we are all Akkadian?
The numbers you throw out in your video are hard to believe because at Babylons peak it is that the population was around 200,000 people and it was the largest city of that time.
If that many Chaldeans were displaced into Assyria they would have had a better chance of ruling over Assyria and not Babylon.
Its hard for me to beleive that we are all Chaldeans that live Assyrian territories.
@kannabil99 if you believe that we or Assyrians are Akkadians then why do you call yourself Assyrian? that's one. one thing i can't negotiate with you and that is my ethnic Chaldean name.
its funny how the old eastern Church was using a stamp that said "The humbled Shimun, Patriarch of the Chaldeans", and many westerns did visit our region and they called us Chaldeans (Nastorians).
the numbers that i throw didn't come from me azizi it came from the ancient Assyrian kings
@kannabil99 are denying you own Assyrian kings that you claim to be one? if you deny this artifacts that means we deny everything, would you accept that? read the sources properly. buddy i don't joke around i would' be so confident if i wasn't 100% sure that ancient Chaldeans still exist! and Chaldeans did rule Assyria for more than 85years so obviously they send Chaldeans there plus the tens of thousands of prisoners. Is it hard for you that Europeans live in America? or Africans live Europe?
I beleive what the writer is trying relay to you is during his time there he spoke to the people in the region and they professed themselves to be Assyrian were there since history began. History began meaning since writing was developed.
Like said earlier google The Chaldeans Fact and Fiction read those writings and prove them wrong.
Its not about failing or passing. it's more about learning and by that I mean maybe we both learn something. :-)
@kannabil99 read my sources don't convince yourself. We are the ancient Chaldeans, and Chaldeans and other christians of Hakkari were given the Assyrian name 200years ago by william wigram.
prove my sources wrong so that i believe you :) if not find diff subject
This fact is thoughtfully noted by Rev. W.A. Wigram’s in his book "The Assyrians and their Neighbors," when he wrote;
Here are a people who, in the time of the beginning of the Christian era, are founded living in the lands where, in the year 600 BC the Assyrian stock had been established since history began; nor is there any record of any considerable immigration into, or emigration from, that land, in the interval."
This is written by writers/scholars/historians not me!
@kannabil99 wow William Wigram when was he around again? what year? our documents are way before him, now i'll say it again check the sources on my video 'Ancient Chaldeans to Modern Chaldeans" then prove them wrong IF NOT then dont talk abou this subject cause you failed :)
We had shown, on the other hand, that no major migration had occured by the Chaldeans of antiquity to Nineveh which could have resulted in some sort of evacuating of the original Assyrian inhabitants and replacing them with the Chaldeans. Hence, the Christian inhabitants of today’s Mosul and its neighboring towns are mainly from the Assyrian stock who have been living there since the fall of the Assyrian Empire according to history records.
@kannabil99 if you can prove the sources on the video 'ancient Chaldeans to modern Chaldeans' are wrong then go for it other than that don't reply and don't repeat wrong info. The modern Assyrians were discovered by William Wigram so don't even talk about today's Assyrians.
In summary, we read that the Chaldean dynasty ruled over Babylonia for some 87 years, and they spoke a dialect of Akkadian or Aramaic, and we are not able until today to point out to any such thing as a Chaldean language. We know for a fact too that the Chaldean name in the modern time is a religious name given by Rome to those Assyrians who abandoned the Church of the East and adapted Roman Catholicism.
I also wanted to say that I think there are outsiders that have created this seperation between Chaldeans and Assyrians so that we will never situate ourselves in Iraq. Because they all know that Iraq truely belongs to us. The Kurds are loving the internal bickering between us. In the mean time they are busy taking lands that dont belong to them. Nothing but love for ya Alqoshi.
They did make Babylon great I agree with you. But my point is that the Kaldi village in southern Babylon was nothing more than a tribe that came to power during the last 80+ years of the Babylonian empire. They were one of many tribes. Also the Kings that rose from Kaldi always referred to themselves as kings of Babylon and nothing else. The village of Kaldi was far south along the persian gulf and most of Chaldians of today are situated were the Assyrian Empire was.
@kannabil99 are you trying to convince me or you convincing yourself? what tribe are you own about? Chaldean is an ethnicity OK keep it in mind. 80years but Babylon was greater than ever. Yes many Chaldeans of today are situated there > watch my videos "Ancient Chaldeans to Modern Chaldeans" part one and two and you'll see why they are situated there
@Alqoshi Alqosh is an ancient Assyrian village. Also known as Yimma d' Athor meaning Mother Of Assyria. What happened to all the Assyrians in Alqosh? Were they driven out by the Chaldeans? Or are Alqoshi's really Assyrians that got tricked by a churches name? I think if you read the writings of one of the greatest people from Alqosh Rabbi Hermiz Aboona you will truely find yourself. You need not fight it. Embrace who you really are, dont let the outsiders win. love & peace, & maybe a DNA test.
@kannabil99 lol why all these games for you should've got straight to the point.1. Hermiz Aboona was Assyrianized he is not an Assyrian. 2. America was the land of the Red Indians does that mean today's inhabitants of America are all Red Indians? 3. what about the tens of thousands Chaldean prisoners taken to Nineveh by the Assyrian kings? 4. The prison camp in Assyria was in today's Nineveh were Alqosh, Tisqopa, Telkaif and the rest, as matter of fact all these prisoners built Nineveh.
Assyrians, Chaldean, Iraqi or Greater Iraqi Arab speakers, Sunni, Christian or Shia...etc are all native to the land ot Iraq. Maybe its time to give unity a chance rather than fight which is what our enimies want.
YAAAAAAAAAAAY Nebuchadnezzar He's my uncle
Baseema Rapa Khone Aloh Natorkh
Aloh nater matha ad alqosh
nofallyaqoo 1 month ago
M. M. Schneerson the Seventh was King of Babylon from 1951 to 1994.
scheisseimhirn 1 month ago
Kannabil is Correct..."The Mandaeans" by Prof. Edmondo Lupieri." Today the term Chaldean means only the Syriac-speaking Christians, originally Nestorians, converted to Catholicism since the 16th century."
maclucian 1 month ago
No hate here! Just having a debate. Also just to remind you. I brought to your attention the fall of Nineveh & Babylonian chronicles and you came at me with the bible. So sorry but you changed the subject to theology because you couldnt come up with a better answer.
I quote stone tablets of recorded accounts from mesopatamia. You quote the bible a book of faith written by people of isreal.
YOU STARTED THE MIXING MY FRIEND! YOU BROUHGT UP THE BIBLE NOT ME!
kannabil99 2 months ago
Historical facts are written in books and tought in Schools all over the world. They are not written in books of faith and preached in religious places like churches, temples, and mosques. They do have religion classes in universities. But thats what they are religion classes and not history classes.
AND STILL NO STONE TABLETS FROM THE PLACE WHERE THESE KINGS ARE FROM HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE CALL THEM CHALDEANS KINGS. BABYLONIAN KINGS? YES. AKKADIAN KINGS? YES. CHALDEAN KINGS? A BIG NO.
kannabil99 2 months ago
@kannabil99 historical facts "they are not written in books of faith" are you serious? so the Holy Bible does not mention any historical facts? lol man you have lost the plot.
lol have you Berosus, the list of the Chaldean Kings.
e.g did Saddam ever said he was the president of the Arabs?? or President of Iraq? does that mean he was not an Arab??
open your eyes, your hate towards Chaldeans is making you blind to the truth :)
Alqoshi 2 months ago
If the Holy Bible is historical fact? Then everyone on earth would be Christians. Its not that easy. There are creation myths written on stone tablets that date back older then the bible and they are not called Adam & Eve. So is it posible that the writters of the bible got stories and myths from other cultures and named the characters something else io make it there own? By the way mythology was the ancient peoples religion.
kannabil99 2 months ago
@kannabil99 azizi forget now everything and your hate towards Chaldean name but THE HOLY BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL DOCUMENT, its not me saying it, its people like historians, archeologists, scholars, the more you deny it, the more you avoid the truth.
People have their own belief, its up to them, the Holy Bible is proven, you want to argue on this go prove those historians wrong.
lol hold on here dear, we are not discussing theology, you are mixing.
Alqoshi 2 months ago
@kannabil99 wether you believe its a myth that is your belief , but we are discussing history. btw the Holy Bible is the word of God :)
you are trying to disapprove of the Holy Bible as a historical source just so that you prove your point, you are wrong.
then on waht basis did the Holy Bible state things, ?
Alqoshi 2 months ago
I Agree that some of what is in the bible is historical but not all. If the Bible was truely accepted as historical fact then it wouldnt be a book of faith. Besides like I said before. If you ask me would I beleive what the bible says over what is written in stone by the people who were taking accounts of what happened at the time like the fall of Nineveh chronicles & Babylonian chronicles. I would beleive in the fall of Nineveh chronicles & Babylonian chronicles first.
kannabil99 2 months ago
@kannabil99 lol@some.
so you only use the part that suits you?? but if the word 'Chaldean' is there then it doesn't exist. you know very well what you say is not excepted.
(YOU ARE WRONG DEAR)
its the other way around, if the Holy Bible wasn't a historical fact, it wouldn't be a true faith because the Holy Bible prophacies and locations mentioned are accurate, unlike the Quran its mentioning of location and history is false, so i'm not sure to which book you refering :)
Alqoshi 2 months ago
@kannabil99
now in the Holy Bible it clearly mentions Chaldeans and the Chaldean kings, you don't agree, even though you have disregarded the Holy Bible as a historical evidence (i don't know what you believ in) CAN YOU PROVE AND SHOW ME SOURCES THAT SAY THE MENTIONING OF CHALDEAN KINGS IN THE HOLY BIBLE IS FALSE!!!
Alqoshi 2 months ago
@kannabil99 READ ON BEROSUS, the list of the Chaldean Kings dear
Alqoshi 2 months ago
I dont believe the Bible is all historicle fact.
The fall of Nineveh & Babylonian chronicles are clay tablets wrttien by the people who were there at that time. I beleive the clay tablets are more accurate if you ask me. If clay tablets say Kings of Akkad and the Bible says Kings of Chaldea. I would beleive the clay tablets first.
kannabil99 2 months ago
@kannabil99 but historians/archeologist and scholars do consider the Holy Bible as a historical source!
Alqoshi 2 months ago
@Aqoshi Like I have told you Assyrians and Babylonians are both of Akkadian stock. Assyrian believed in God Assur and got the name Assyrians because they were the followers of Assur.
Which gets me to my next point. The fall of Nineveh & Babylonian chronicles/tablets call Nabupolasser & Nebukhadnezzar KINGS OF AKKAD not Chaldeans. All over these clay tablets they are known as KINGS OF AKKAD. It appears the Chaldean name is erroneously used. Research. Find out for yourself. FIND YOURSELF!
kannabil99 2 months ago
Assyria was an empire! Chaldea was never an empire. No Mesopotamian King has ever called himself King of Chaldea. All of the clay tablets or cylinders that have been discovered to date and not one King ever mentioned being King of chaldea. KIngs of Assyria are all over Mesopatamian history. I dont even know why the last 80 or so years of the Babylonian empire were called the Chaldean dynasty.
Assyria= Kings and Kingdoms
Chaldea= Astronomers, and fortune tellers
NO CHALDEAN KINGS!
kannabil99 3 months ago
@kannabil99 keep on denying history. Do you believe in the Holy Bible?
at least we agree that your name is a religious term based on a pagan God Ashur :)
Alqoshi 2 months ago
@kannabil99 do you consider the Holy Bible as a historical document?
Alqoshi 2 months ago
@Alqoshi, ABC its easy as 123. Written history says this. In Mesopotamian history (A) the sumerians came first, (B) the Akkadians came second, (C) thirdly the Assyrians and Babylonians branched off of the Akkadians. Around the 10th or 9th century BC the Arameans and Chaldeans came into Mesopotamia. Stop trying to distort history to what favors you. Read what AssyrianAmerican100 is writing its historical facts. Thumbs up AssyrianAmerican100!
kannabil99 3 months ago
@kannabil99 what favours me?? i just gave you a quote from ancient figure, did i make it up?? lol. i suggest you to read on the first Euphrates people/proto-Chaldeans. where did Chaldeans come from in 9th century????????? the reason why Chaldeans became known to "Ancient Assyrians" (cause "Modern Assyrians" are ethnic Chaldeans) they became known to them is because they started rebelling against them so that is why they start being mentioned. "Assyrian" is a religious term, followers of Ashur
Alqoshi 3 months ago
He writes “They extended to Egypt westward and eastward to the Ganges.” The Chaldean dynasty that ruled Babylonia never ruled Egypt, and definitely never reached the Ganges, which is in India.
“These were the Accadians of Chaldea,” The ancient Chaldeans were not Akkadians, only the Assyrian and Babylonians were.
“ [Chaldeans] looked to the southwest of the Caspian for the cradle of their race." I suggest you look up where the Caspian sea is, you then will see how wrong he.
AssyrianAmerican100 4 months ago
@AssyrianAmerican100 they never extended to Egypt?? if i provide sources that do say Chaldean reached Egypt would you accept it and not deny it like a typical "Modern Assyrian"??
first: "Ancient assyrians" were a mixed race its basically a religious name and later became as an ethnicity, who ever followed the God Ashur was called Ashurian/Assyrian, so dont say they were Akkadians. Chaldean are from South of Mesopotamia, where did the Akkadians come from? south or north??
Alqoshi 3 months ago
(i know where south of caspian sea is and im sure Dineses knew where it was) south of Cspian sea its refering to southward which is the direction to Mesopotamia, historians were not waiting for you to solve this puzzle.
Alqoshi 3 months ago
@Alqoshi, First of all I dont know arabic and secondly I dont really care much for Mr Kanna thoughts or beleifs. I feel he has done more harm to the Assyrian plight than good.
kannabil99 4 months ago
@kannabil99 no he hasn't done harm to "Modern Assyrians" but he has harmed Chaldeans and other Iraqi Christians he is a traitor, one day he is a Bathist, then he is a Kurd, then Shia, Sunni, Assyrian, Akkadian, i mean for God sake, what type on a man is he.
Alqoshi 4 months ago
@Alqoshi, Jacob Bryant was mythographer. He tried to link mythology with the bible. The key word here is tried. If your baseing anything on a book that he wrote I think your in trouble.
I will tell you again Chaldeans moved into mesopatamia circa 9th century BC. Historians say this, not me or some beleiver of mythology.
kannabil99 4 months ago
@kannabil99 lol please read dont just comment straight away, i dont care about Jacob Bryant mythology or believes, i care about what he is quoting from Dionysus.
9th century lol NO NO and NO, if its true then tell me where did they come from?
Chaldeans are the proto-euphrates, before even the followers of the God Ashur (Assyrians)
Alqoshi 4 months ago
@Alqoshi
Dionysus historical accounts is all wrong. Dionysus (supposedly) writes that “ The Chaldeans were the most ancient inhabitants of the country called by their name.” They were not, the ancient Sumerians definitely predate them in Mesopotamia.
He further writes “They seemed to be the most early constituted and settled of any people on the earth.” Again wrong, the Chaldeans didn’t appear in any written history till the Assyrians wrote about them in the 9th cen. BC.
AssyrianAmerican100 4 months ago
@AssyrianAmerican100 big statements you making there mr. why because its in favour of the Chaldeans?what about the proto-Chaldeans aka the first euphrates people?so when their name was mentioned by Ancient Assyrians in 9th century BC, so in 10th century they did not exist? they just appeard straight away on in the 19th century!! yet you ignore all the sources,Berosus,Dioneses etc.the funny thing is you want to accept you (modern assyrians) as a source and ignore the ancient sources.
Alqoshi 3 months ago
bichermen eh
ezongz 4 months ago
@ Alqoshi,
First of all thanks for replying 3 months later.
Secondly it is writtin that the Chaldeans entered mesopatamia around 9th century BC. I didn't make that up. So dont blame it on me.
3rd thing is as that they only ruled for 82 years over an already established Assyrio/Babylonian empire/culture. And actually the last Babylonian ended up being King Nabonidus who was said to be of Assyrian stock.
GO GAZE AT SOME STARS! ********* They might believe what you have to say.
kannabil99 4 months ago
@kannabil99 youtube.com/watch?v=jcyBlqcDxV8&feature=channel_video_title
Alqoshi 4 months ago
Bryant in his Ancient Mythology (Vol. III, p. 226) quotes from Dionysus "The Chaldeans were the most ancient inhabitants of the country called by their name. They seemed to be the most early constituted and settled of any people on the earth. They seem to have been the only people who did not migrate at the general dispersion. They extended to Egypt westward and eastward to the Ganges.These were the Accadians of Chaldea, who looked to the southwest of the Caspian for the cradle of their race."
Alqoshi 4 months ago
These findings seem to indicate to me that the Chaldean name is only associated with the Catholic Church and was a label given by the Pope.
kannabil99 7 months ago
@kannabil99 lol are you talking about your feelings? or history?
I'm very busy these days but i promise you sooner or later I'll be publishing a video with ONLY small amount of historical facts and documents about the Chaldean Ethnicity, and then we will see wether anyone can question them or reject them.
Alqoshi 7 months ago
They re-introduced hereditary succession within the Church hierarchy and jointly controlled Assyrian Church affairs for a period of 312 years.
This period often referred to as the ‘Qudshanis era' and is most famous for two things namely; restoring independence from Rome and re-labeling the ‘Chaldean’ identity to the ‘Assyrian’ as it is known today. Their joint destiny came to an end when both distant cousins died in the mid-1970s.
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kannabil99 7 months ago
Dynastical Aboona family were dictatorial to the extreme, they insisted that both Patriarchs of the two Churches and the Metropolitans, Bishops, Monks, Archdeacons and Priests all be chosen from the ‘Aboona family’. So, a year after his own consecration, Mar Shimun XIII went about consecrating his first cousin Mar Sargis Khnanishu I as 'Metropolitan of Rustaqa for Shamizdin' in 1663, this made him the second most powerful man in the church and the Patriarch's right hand man. Continue to next
kannabil99 7 months ago
In 1661, the bishops of this ‘Chaldean Church’ revolted against union with Rome and deposed Mar Yualla Shimun XII of Jilu. The following year in 1662, a new Patriarch was chosen Mar Dinkha Shimun XIII, who was a bishop and Patriarch in waiting (Nadtir Kursi) of the old Nestorian Church of Alqosh (the rival church) and a member of the Patriarchal and Dynastical ‘Aboona family’. Mar Dinkha was the first in the line of Quchanis Patriarchs, known as the Mar Shimuns.
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kannabil99 7 months ago
The Matran family jointly controlled the ‘Assyrian Church of the East’ for 314 years.
Few realize that between 1553–1661 for a period of 108 years, this branch of today's ‘Assyrian Church of the East’ became known as ‘The Chaldean Catholic Church’ and was loyal to the Pope. Some historians label this era as the ‘Jilu period’, as three of the last five Catholic Patriarchs were from the Jilu Tribe.
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kannabil99 7 months ago
@kannabil99 correction in 1976 the 'Assyrian' term was added to 'Church of the East'.
''Church of the East' was using the STAMP saying 'Humble Shimun Patriarch of the Chaldeans' explain this.
Alqoshi 7 months ago
Matran is an Assyrian word for Metropolitan or Archbishop. The 'Metropolitans of Shamizdin' based at the Mar Ishu Monastery in the area of Nochiya in south east Turkey, have always been known by their hereditary title of Mar Khnanishu. History records that there were at least 12 Metropolitans of Shamizdin since 1580 but the first two were not related to the Gida line and were actually loyal to the Pope. Continue to next post
kannabil99 7 months ago
@kannabil99 'Assyrian'? i never heard of an "Assyrian Language'? History never recalls such a language. explain the stamp please.
Alqoshi 7 months ago
@kannabil99 When the Chaldeans took over Assyria, the Chaldeans made the Assyrians change there language, the old Assyrian DID NOT speak sureth they spoke akkadian, the present say Assyrian language came from Chaldeans, the assyrians changed the dialect and changed the name of it to Sureth.
MyArabianTouch 5 months ago
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kannabil99 7 months ago
The spirit of Christ has been around since the begining of time therefore cant have a mother. Mary is the mother of Christ in the human form. She cannot be the mother of god spiritually. The Virgin Mary has not been around since the begining of time thus cannot be the mother of the creator. Unless the Catholic church believes mary is the creator of all?
kannabil99 7 months ago
@kannabil99 with all respect but are you naive?
i'll ask you one thing , is Jesus God or not?
Alqoshi 7 months ago
In modern times the Assyrian Church of the East, a modern descendant of the historical Church of the East, reveres Nestorius as a saint, although the modern church does not subscribe to the entirety of the Nestorian doctrine as it has traditionally been understood in the West. It has been a misconception by the Catholic Church that the Assyrian Church believed that Jesus spirit and flesh were never at any time combined which is not true.
kannabil99 7 months ago
@kannabil99 Mar Dinkha went to Rome to clear this up that his Church believes in 'Merry Mother of God' please research before you state anything.
Alqoshi 7 months ago
The Eastern Orthodox church=Greek/Serbian/Russian and Assyrian Church of the East all believe in Theotokos. Theotokos specifically excludes the understanding of Mary as Mother of God in the eternal sense. Christians believe that God is the cause of all, with neither origin nor source, and is therefore "without a mother." This stands in contrast to classical Greco-Roman religion in particular, where a number of divine
kannabil99 7 months ago
@kannabil99 to be honest i don't get you, do you want to talk about ethnicities or religion? cause you bringing up different denominations. "Merry is Mother of God" with all respect, seriously are you naive? don't you know what it means ... i suggest you read the catholic faith as well as Orthodox faith so that you know what it means .
Alqoshi 7 months ago
The Greek, Russian, Serbian, and Assyrian Churches all dont believe in the Mary Mother of God thing. You honestly beleieve the creator of all has a mother. Holy Mary Mother Of God. How silly does that sound. Please read on Nestorian schism.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 Greek Orthodox YES they Do believe Merry is Mother of God as a matter of fact recent studies/debates between Catholics and Protestant and it turns out that Protestants are very close in the same way Catholics reflect to Merry . YES I DO BELIEVE, don't just come to conclusion you have to know where the idea come from btw lets stay focus on our subject and not go into religion. Nastorian don't believe Merry as mother of God
Alqoshi 8 months ago
I apologize I responded with my phone and it never went through.
I dont think you have your facts straight. It is over the Nestorian schism. Nestorius believed that the spirit of Jesus and the flesh of Jesus were carried seperately in the womb. Look up Nestorian schism to see.
Another thing is, I dont consider the Catholic Church the authority on Christianity.
In fact I believe the Catholic Church is one of the very few Churches who believes the Mary Mother of God thing.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 I think you misunderstood me here, I said the "Assyrian Church" NOT "Nastroian", i do know the Nastorian did not believe as Virgin Merry Mother of God but Mother of Jesus, I do know that. BUT did you know that the "Assyrian Church" doesn't not believe in Nastorian anymore, i already expalined to you before, because of the Nastorian belief they were labeled as hertics by the Vatican so with the help of Bishop Mar Bawi Soro who went to Rome with Mar Dinkha and they explained that >>>>
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@kannabil99 the Virgin Merry is Mother of God this was one of the main reasons that they were labeled as hertics for following Nastorian but then after the went to Rome and explained their belief the term heric was removed. I'm realy surprised for you not knwing this! you say you are an Assyrian, ask your Church leaders and find out.
did you have a look at the websites i gave you about the DCUMENTS AND THE STAMP? what do you think? any comment?
Alqoshi 8 months ago
I do all of my research on the internet. Proto Chaldeans are no where to be found. And I did go through this with you already. You Just want to ignore my older posts that gave you all of the people that ruled over Babylon way before the Chaldean dynasty came about.
I learned one thing growing up. If I was to beleive everthing that my Assyrian elders told me about Assyrian history growing up I would be misled.
I only use neutrel websites to do my research!
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 is that all, so if its not on the net then it doesn't exist? you never heard of them, you do know the net is full of junk! did you know that there are thousands of books by historians that arn't available on the net for free? did you know there is alot of historical documents that arn't available on the net.
No we did not go through Proto-Chaldeans we never talked about or mentioned them but i duno why you said we already been throught it.. hmm. Research more on proto-Euphrates
Alqoshi 8 months ago
I'll tell you a couple of differences that I know. #1 the Catholic church calls Virgin Mary the mother of God. The Church of the East beleives it is blasphime to even think that.
#2 In the Catholic Church first cousins are married with no problem. The Church of the East it is not allowed. I know this because a friend of mine had to get married at the Chaldean Church for this reason. These are just 2 differences. I'm sure there are more.
So how much do you know?????
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 #1 That was the Nastorian beliefe the Merry is Mother of Jesus but not Mother of God (NASTORIAN BELIEF) but that is the reason why its labled as hertic by the Vatican. Then, when Mar Bawai (wth his help) and Mar Dinkha went to the Vatican and they did confirm that Merry is Mother of God/Jesus so that is why the "Assyrian Church" is no longer a hertic in the Vatican's eyes. ( I'm realy surprised you don't know that).
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@kannabil99 #2 You are correct cousins do get married. but I thought when you said 'idiology' you were talking about their theology.
btw Mar Dinkha wanted the term 'hertic' to be removed from 'Assyrian Church" even though they dislike the Vatican/Catholics, but all thanks to Mar Bawai for doing that.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
Irish people come from Ireland, Russians come from Russia and so on. We are from ancient Assyrian lands. Chaldea was far south along the Persian Gulf. So the people who presently live where ancient Chaldea is along the Persian Gulf and believe it or not those peoples ancestors are Chaldean. Beleive it or not that most of the Arabs of Iraq are of Babylonian and Assyrian stock.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 again it seems that you have problem with reading! WATCH MY VIDEO ITS ALL THERE.
I live in America, do i come from America? you live in America do you originally came from America? so its not hard to migrate thousand's of Miles from Middle East (Asian continent) all the way to USA (North American continent) yet its hard to migrate within Iraq from South to North, now seriously where is the logic? is this your historical facts? migrating doesn't change you ethnicty
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@kannabil99 you didn't comment on the stamp and on my video? please do. logic and solid proof are only accepted.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
I'm not going through this again with you. I have yet to find any historical evidence of any proto Chaldeans. Believe me I have looked! Historical evidence only knows Chaldeans to have entered Mesopatamia around the same time the Arameans in 900BC.
Please dont give me any pro Chaldean sites to look at. They are written by Chaldeans for Chaldeans. I dont look for historical evidence at pro Assyrian websites.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 you never did go through it with me? I can't recall us talking about Proto-Chaldeans but other accounts have, so that raises a question, but anyways.
Well its easy for you to make statements but its hard to go an research for something that you seemed to be concerned about, I'm not telling you to go and read Chaldeans written articles but go and research and that is why I said coffee shop talk because what you say it what sounds like. reasearch on Proto-Chaldeans
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@kannabil99 'Modern Assyrians' who created them? and Ancient Assyrians where did their name Assyrian/Ashurian came about? and what does it mean?
Alqoshi 8 months ago
The Assyrian Church Of The East is still the Church Of The East and never changed. The Chaldean Catholic Church split and are under The Pope. The Catholic Church has different idealogy and beliefs from the Church Of The East.
Therfore the Chaldean Church is not part of the Nestorian beliefs and truly split from the Church Of The East.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 are you now talking religion? or ethnicity? cause you bringing Churchs and saying they got differnt idiologies.?? but i'll comment.
what is the difference between "Catholic Church has different idealogy and beliefs" and "Church of the East"? The Natorian Church was labled a heretic to the Vatican but with the help of Mar Bawai. He and Mar Dinkha went to Rome the term 'HERTIC' was removed so Mar Dinkha's Church. you don't seem to know much do you. only what suits you.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
Also can you send me a link or some info of where I can read about this stamp you are talking about.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 its very strange you claiming to know your history but you never have come across the CHURCH STAMP. here is the link, there few documents using this stamp.
w w w . kaldu . org/ DailyNews/12_Dec06/News_Dec30_06_A1 . html
more proof for you to read
w w w . kaldaya.net/2010/HistoricalChaldeanDocuments/HistoricalChaldeanDocuments . html
Alqoshi 8 months ago
Coffe shop talk is what I say vs what you say. I am giving you historical documentation.
Regardless I was born in the lands of the Assyrians and so were you. I would rather be asscociated with the greater, richer, longer history of the Assyrians. Assyrian date back to their ancestors the Akkadians. The fisrt records of Chaldeans only date back to 900BC and were mentioned by the Assyrians. Babylon has been around way before the Chaldeans. Chaldeans were were only short part of Babylonian Emp.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 historical documentation?? what part of the video or what i said wasn't historical? :)
read on Proto-Chaldeans who lived amongst the Sumerians the prot-Euphrates. As well read what Berosus said about the Chaldean Kings and dynasty.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@kannabil99 Indeed, as you point out. The ancient Chaldeans were a foreign element that had entered southern Mesopotamia in the 9th cent. At that time the Assyro-Babylonian civilization had flourished for many centuries.
AssyrianAmerican100 4 months ago
Bryant in his Ancient Mythology (Vol. III, p. 226) quotes from Dionysus "The Chaldeans were the most ancient inhabitants of the country called by their name. They seemed to be the most early constituted and settled of any people on the earth. They seem to have been the only people who did not migrate at the general dispersion. They extended to Egypt westward and eastward to the Ganges. These were the Accadians of Chaldea, who looked to the southwest of the Caspian for the cradle of their race."
Alqoshi 4 months ago
@kannabil99 so you saying that 900bc sundently the Chaldeans got created !! before that they were not around??
i tell you something and that is where some get it wrong, Yes the Chaldeans did start revluting around the 900BC and so on against the crule rule of the 'Ancient Assyrians' but the doesnt mean they were not around, go read on prot-Chaldeans aka proto-euphrates, you will finid that Chaldeans were before the religious term 'Assyrian' dont forget the they got labled coz of the God 'Ashur'
Alqoshi 4 months ago
The name Chaldean had became fashionable among the Christians since the 12th century AD when some syriac writers such as Basil Bar Shumana came to believe that the city of Urfa known as Urhay in northern Mesopotamia was the ancient sumerian city called Ur of Chaldee of the Old Testament from which Abraham migrated to Cannon. This as we know it is not true.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 lol what part don't you understand? i'll repeat again. THE STAMP OF YOU CHURCH SAYS THAT YOU ARE A CHALDEAN :)
WATCH MY VIDEO ITS ALL SOURCED UP "ANCIENT CHALDEANS TO MODERN CHALDEANS"
prove them sources are wrong. ever souce that is there prove it wrong. lets see if you can otherwise what ever you say its a coffee shop talk :)
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@kannabil99 You’ve brought up something that a lot of people are unaware of historically. Namely, that it was the 12th cent. Syriac writer Basil Bar-Shumana, who had erroneously identified Ur-hay as being the Biblical “Ur of the Chaldess.” that eventually made the term “Chaldean” very popular among East Assyrians.
AssyrianAmerican100 4 months ago
@kannabil99 It’s interesting how much they want you to answer the question concerning the Mar Shoumon seal.
There is another very famous patriarchal seal stamped on a latter from Mar Yahaballaha, patriarch of the Church of the East (1281-1317), dated in the year 1302 and sent to Pope Boniface VIII. On that seal ( which all previous patriarchs used) the term “Chaldeans” does not appear.
Take care.
AssyrianAmerican100 4 months ago
The term Chaldeans had been previously officially used by the Council of Florence in 1445 as a new name for a group of Nestorians of Cyprus who entered in Full Communion with the Catholic Church.[15] Rome followed to use the term Chaldeans to indicate the members of the Church of the East in Communion with Rome (mainly not to use the term Nestorian that was theologically unacceptable).
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 Church stamp of your church "The Church of the East" says that you are a Chaldean :)
also watch my video
ANCIT CHALDEANS TO MODERN CHALDEANS (PART 1 and PART 2)
Alqoshi 8 months ago
Yohannan Sulaqa was given the title of "Patriarch of Mosul and Athur" (Assyria) in Rome,[11] not in a restrictive sense, but meaning of the Church of the East. The Chronicle of the Carmelites states that Sulaqa was proclaimed Patriarch of the Eastern Assyrians but on April 19, 1553 the title was changed to Patriarch of the Chaldeans.
kannabil99 8 months ago
@kannabil99 Yes Chaldeans were Nastroians who belonged to the Church of the East when they joined the Church was labled "Chaldean Church" to distinguish it from the Nastorian Church of the East, that is the CHURCH not the PEOPLE.
the word "Assyria" is reffering to an area NOT people, when i say "Iraq" is a name of a country, so now that Jalal Talabani is the president of Iraq, does it mean he is an Arab? since "iraq" i known to be an Arab country. Same thing "Athur" is a region not people.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
haha go read mesopotamie quite and clearly starting from flood our master (NOAH ) in that time the gulf was south samera currently ( north baghdad) mean south saera to basra was sea we know
noah's ark steady on JODY according to quran NOAH established village in foothill of JUDY today sharnaoh in north kurdistan SHARNAOH in kurdish meaning Noah city first village after flood Noah for info zakho is name of geadson of noah to forthat kurdistan cradle of civilation
goran21715 9 months ago
It's apparent you have no answers to my earlier posts. It's also apparent you have learned when losing a debate to start arguing with your opponent. No need to answer this post. SINCE YOU HAVE NO GAME! I WILL GO PLAY FAR AWAY.
kannabil99 9 months ago
@kannabil99 there is a known saying "the thruth hurts but the truth helps", everytime a 'modern Assyrian' like you opens this subject with me convinces me more that they running avoiding the truth. Therefore its good of you TO GO AND PLAY FAR AWAY
Alqoshi 9 months ago
@Alqoshi
nosninos 8 months ago
@Alqoshi لا تغير عنوان الافلاف الي تخليها لانو ماكو اي ذكر لاسم الكلدان بكل الافلام الي انت تغير العنوان لو اليوجيوب ما يقبل التغير ما تكدر تخلي فلم واحد انت مو من القوش شنو خابصنا بابيل القوش هية قلب بلاد اشور الاثار الوجودة كولهة اشورية في القوش من بابل الا ايران و تركيا هسة قريتك داير مداير
(نينوى لو صارلك بيها الاف السنين اوتوماتيكي راح تتحول لا تنكر الارض الي تاكل من عدهه ابحث عن اسم العا ئلة شوف من وين اصلك (عوائل القوش اريد اعرف اشلون تركتو بابيل العضيمة ال دوختونة بيهه وعشتو في نينو
nosninos 8 months ago
@nosninos 1)so what part of the title is wrong? let me guess 'Chaldean', before i answer your first question, what part of the title does not connect with the video?.
2)Yes I'm Alqoshnaya.
3) Are you annoyed because i brag on about Babylon and Alqosh? it's simple because I'm proud :).
4) Alqosh and all the surrounding area other villages was a camp for prisoners and a lot of Chaldean prisoners were taken there by the Assyrian Kings, Chaldean prisoners played a big role in building it.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
wean u downlod movies dont uplod ander defrent name like the movies call the babylon mysetry and there is no mention off any chaldean or king off chalden i can upload it as assyrian becuse assyrian role babylon fore long time or amoriets or elma or kassite dynasty or assyrian wean they defetit evry one and the control babylon and the putt there own king like samas suma ukin brother off assurbanibal and thenالقبائل الكلدية او راح نسميها فارسية لان حكموها اكثر او مسادوني او عربية لاكن بقت بابل
nosninos 8 months ago
@nosninos you didn't answer none of my questions, i wonder why? but I'll comment on you.
You can't call the video 'Assyrian' because its about NebuchednezzerII the Chaldean King of Babylon and its about the Chaldean Empire or Neo-Babyloian Empire, so whether i call it Chaldean or not he is still a Chaldean King but you on what basis you would call it 'Assyrian' whats the connection? Assyrians ruled Babylon? more like Assyrians destroyed Babylon. watch my video 'Chaldean Empire' with sources.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@nosninos
5)Babylon is NOT Assyrian, as a matter of fact Ancient Assyrian kings burned Babylon and destroyed it.
6) The last Assyrian Empire/Country fell into the hands of the Chaldeans 612BC and Assyria never had an Empire after that, Chaldean Empire stayed in power for about 87years that is like 3 generations, what do you think, how did Chaldean took over Nineveh by staying in Babylon? and what about the prisoners that were taken before that Chaldeans rose? plus other reason ..its in my video
Alqoshi 8 months ago
سنحاريب دمر بابيل لي سبب فشل البابلين من حمايت ابنه لاكن بناهه ابنهو اسيرحدون والد اشور بانيبال حسب الواح الطين اكدر اقول لاكة صارت اشورية100 %100 لانو الفضل كان لالملك الاشوري بقت بابل الى اليوم هاذا .هسة اكدر اكولك انو الشعب البابلي انتها او انصهر في الشعب الاشوري بل احرا ما كان طلع اسم الكلدان بس اسرحدون بناها خلال 11 سنة لو كانت ورا 70 سنة مثل ما امر سنحاريب هسة مكان صار هذا النقاش لازم تشكر وا تفتحر بلاشورين الاذين بنو لكم بابل الي هسة تريدون تسوها مالتكوم
nosninos 8 months ago
@nosninos
watch my video "Ancient Chaldeans to Modern Chaldeans" part one and two.
i should make a video stating all the facts with sources as to "WHY CHALDEANS LIVE IN NORTH IRAQ" what you reckon?
Alqoshi 8 months ago
سقوط نينوى استغلة الميدس تدهور الاحوال في نينوي فسقطة اشور شرقاط حالين بيد الميدس وصل الجيش البابلي متاخر بعدين الجيش الميدي بي مساعدة نبوبلاصرمع الجيش البابلي لم يذكر اسم الكلدان (طبعن كان اكو بعد اعداء سقطو نينوى كا امبيراطورية وليس كشعب اذا كان اكو اسرة راح ياخزون الاسرة يرجعون الى بابل العضيمة شراح يسون بنينوى المتدمرة الي كانو حهقدين عليها لانو ماكو اثار بابلية في بلاد اشور نحن نعرف طبعن الملوك كانو افتخرو بفتوحاتهم ودونوها هسة انتو في القوش كنتو الاسرة لو الجيش النسوان كانو موجودين مع
nosninos 8 months ago
@Alqoshi من سئلتك عن اسم العئلة ما راديت لانو الكثير من العوائل الالقوشية اصلهة من تياري وهكري اي اشورين لو هم كانو اسرة لللاشورين لانو ماكو اي قطعة اثرية كلدانية في شمال العراق وكل الاثار الموجودة اثار اشورية في القوش وجميع المناطق الاخرة حيث وصفها توماتوماس القوش في بلاد اشور لازم تفتخر لانك من القوش الاشورية لانها في نينوى كما هناك الكثير من المارخين الالقوشين يفتخيرون بزالك محبتن بكم ننسوبكم الى الاشوريون وليسه بلعكس على كل حال ان اقول انك اشوري انت تقول اني كلداني النتيجة واحدة اخو .
nosninos 8 months ago
@nosninos where do you get this information from? I just asked you about the Chaldean prisoners taken by the Ancient Assyrians kings and the prison happened to be in where today's Chaldean villages are Nineveh plains, as well as the last Assyrian Empire falling into the hands of the Chaldeans and Chaldeans stayed in power for around 87years that's like three generations, can you answer that?
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@nosninos so who ever lives in North of Iraq (which USED to be called Assyria) has to be 'Assyrian' is that so? so according to this that means Kurds, Turkmans, Yazidi, Armenians, Suryani, Chaldeans are all Assyrians? where is the logic here? I live in USA does that not make me from Iraq? just cause people migrate from one place to another their ethnicity doesn't change. I'm not sure if its a true statement about Toma Tomas but lets say it is, last time i Checked Toma Tomas was not a historian.
Alqoshi 8 months ago
@Alqoshi الكلدانين الي خابصنة بيها اشو اول معركة مدابروهة مع العلم الفارسين دمرو الميديس والبابلين لانو الاشورين ما كانو موجودين ليودافعون عن بابل الدينية علا كل حال ليس هناك اثار بابلية او الوهح طين يزكورون فيها انهم كلدان فلكلدان في بابل كنو طبقة متعلمين مناجمين كما ذكرتهم في الفيديو من غير ما تقصد كما سماهم نبوخت نصر في سفر دانيل او كما سماهم اشور لاهل البدو حسب اشعيا او البرفيسور روبرت هاند تاريخ علم الفلك اوالموارخ الروماني سوتونيوس او الموسوعة الكاثولكية الااخره هناك الكثير
nosninos 8 months ago
I wasnt asking you any questions. My last few posts were historical facts disproving some of the things you claimed in your earlier posts! All you have to do is read each one, do your research and find out for yourself. If you cant handle the truth that is your problem. Remeber this is not you against me. it's you against historical facts.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 look who is talking about historical facts !! look if you have a question ask but if you want just to say what you feel like or not accepting the sources that i provide to you. GO PLAY FAR AWAY.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@Alqoshi الاسرة لو كانو مع الجيش لانو نبو بلاصر مات في بابل بعدين نبوخت نصر البابلي اخز العرش وسوى فتوحات ظد مصر ظد فلسطين ضط اسرايل جلب اسرى من اسرائل الا بابل هسة بابل صارة اسرائلية طبعن لا لان الاسرة يزبون في الشعب الي منسوبين اليه قوانين السبي مثل الفيديو الي انت منزلة كلدان اسرائيل مع العلم اصلهم يهود علا كل حال عندمة تسقط دولة لايتغير اسم الشعب لو مابقت بابل كان نسميها فارسية او مستدونية او عربية لماذا لاتكتب كيف سقطة بابل الي كنت حليفة مع الميدس على يد الفرس مثل شرب المى وينهم
nosninos 8 months ago
الموارخين يشهدون علا ذالك مثل هنري ساغس هيرودوتس اليوناني الي وصف بابل من اجمل بلاد اشور وعن مشاركت الاشوريون ككتااب في جيش الفرس والبروفيسور جون نورتس عن وفود اشورية تزور الملكداريوس والموارخ اريان كانو اشوريون قد شاركو في بناء قنوات المياه في بابل بس كولي فت شغلة وين الاثار الكلدانية اذا ماكو اثار ماكو حضارة لاتقل لي بابلية اكو الكثير من الدلائل الي تواكد انو الاسم الكلداني اطلق على المنقسمين من كنيسة المشرق اذا تقراء كتاب مار دلي عندما كان نائب لم يذكر اسم كنيسة كلدانية
nosninos 8 months ago
@nosninos where do you get this info from? Assyrians destroyed Babylon.
You starting to mix up now, are talking about Church of the East and Chaldeans joining the Vatican? this is another subject and bare in mind a stamp used by he Church of the east whom recently 'Assyrian' was added to it, was using a STAMP saying "HUMBLE SHIMUN PATRIARCH OF THE CHALDEANS" that's in your Church. I've commented on you for the second time, can you answer my previous questions please or maybe I'll make a video
Alqoshi 8 months ago
ok i'm going to repeat myself again and say to give you your last chance. If you want to discuss something ask a question and that is one question at a time, when your question is answered we go to the next, do you know the rules of a dicussion or debate ? if you think you got thinks to say remember I GOT MORE THAN YOU. After you finished asking all questions i will only ask you one question that's all i don't want to ask you that qustion at dstart because it will end our discussion
Alqoshi 10 months ago
Earlier you mentioned Iranians Arabs not being the Same. Iranians are speakers of the native tongue Pharsi not Arabic. So that is a bad comparison. We speak the same language and have the same writing and to me that means same ehtnicity.
kannabil99 10 months ago
The Chaldean Church only dates back to around the 1550's AD. Yohannan Sulaqa joined the Roman Catholic Church. He was given the tittle "Patriarch of Mosul and Athur (Assyria)", a title soon changed to "Patriarch of the Chaldeans" by the Roman Catholic Church. For the first 1550 years your people were followers of the Church of the East/Assyrian Church of the East and dont beleive the word Chaldean was used much by these people.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 ok i'm going to repeat myself again and say to give you your last chance. If you want to discuss something ask a question and that is one question at a time, when your question is answered we go to the next, do you know the rules of a dicussion or debate ? if you think you got thinks to say remember I GOT MORE THAN YOU. After you finished asking all questions i will only ask you one question that's all i don't want to ask you that qustion at dstart because it will end our discussion
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 Do you know how the Patriarch works? It comes from families. "Patri" and "archons" are Greek for "Linage ruler". Youhannan Sulaqa's family ruled a certain part of the Church of the East. When they decided to split, the whole side of his Patriarch split. The name "Chaldean" was the name of his people. Henceforth, we call ourselves the "Chaldean Church". "Patriarch:Babylonens Chaldeoruim" Meaning, "The patriarch of the Babylonian Chaldean Referendum.
that1nigglet 8 months ago
We can also talk Churches. The Ancient Church of the East/Assyrian Church of the East are the oldest churches in the history of Mesopotamia. They are Apostolic churches and the Patriarchs date back to 33 AD and were established by Christ's Apostles.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 There are only 3 churches left from the original Nestorian church. The Chaldean Catholic Church, the Assyrian Church of the East and The Ancient Church of the East. The Chaldean Catholic was the first to split. Then followed the Assyrian Church centuries later, then the Ancient Church of the East. All these churches did belong to the Church of the East, which Peter himself told Toma and Addai to start while in Rome.
that1nigglet 8 months ago
The reason I went on to talk about Mesopatamian history is because in an earlier post you stated that Chaldeans date as far back as Sumerians. This is FALSE! The first mention of the Chaldean tribes was around 900 BC by the Assyrians. By 900 BC the Sumerians had already faded into the Akkadian/Assyrian way of life. What I am posting is all documented and a historical fact. No fabrications.
kannabil99 10 months ago
I also wish you would stop posting that the Assyrians were wiped off the face of earth when they were defeated by the Medes, Scythians, Cimmerians and Babylonians/Chaldeans tribes. There were still Assyrian kingdoms as late as the 1st and 2nd century A.D. Look up Osreone/Eddessa and Adiabene and you will know Assyria was still in exsistance not too long ago. But I dont know if you can say the same of the Chaldeans.
kannabil99 10 months ago
Nabopollasar made alliance with the Medes, Scythians, Cimmerians and faught against Assyria for four years and defeated the Assyrians. Yes the Egyptians Allied with the Assyrians but by the time they got there to help it was too little too late.
kannabil99 10 months ago
To finish please research what I posted earlier about the Mesopotamia. You will find the Chaldeans were Johnny Come Latelies. And only gained power because they allied with three other persian Kingdoms (outsiders) against their Semetic brothers.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 i know who Chaldeans are. and not 3 kingdoms and btw Assyrians allied with the Egyptians. but now let go to the subject, you are jumping from modern history to ancient history, let discuss one of them, with logic and common sense and sources.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
Also you seem to have a problem with Assyria destroying Babylon. I beleive I answered why that was in one of my earlier post. But my point is not long ago son killed father, brother killed brother to gain power of a kingdom. Why is it hard to believe that neighboring kingdoms of the same ethnicity wouldn't try to destroy and conquer each other gain a larger kingdom.
kannabil99 10 months ago
Let me summarize. The first people in Mesopotamia are known as the Sumerians 5000bc. The Akkadians 2400bc then moved in and coexisted along side the Sumerians. From the Akkadians came the Assyrians 2200bc and that is fact. So when you say Proto-Chaldean it must mean around 900bc. That is the first mention of Chaldeans/Bit Yakin(900bc). If you try to say that the Chaldeans were around when the Sumerians were in Mesopotamia that is false info. Only Akkadians can lay claim to that.Akkadian=Assyrian
kannabil99 10 months ago
So all these wars that were waged against Babylon by the Assyrians was to drive out the Amorites and Kassites whom were outsiders that had taken control of thier ancestrol Akkadian land. In Messopotamian history the Chaldeans are found to have entered the picture of Messopotamia in around 900 bc. It is about the same time that the Arameans entered the land of the Assyrian/Akkadian/Sumerian.
kannabil99 10 months ago
Next I would like to tell you when the Amorite rule of Babylon fell, the Kassites ruled over Babylon for the longest period for around 500 years. Again the Assyrians went to war to gain control of thier ancestrol land from these outsiders.
The Assyrians did gain control of thier ancestrol from the Kassites and Babylon was under Assyrian rule for about 300 to 400 years.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 please azizi i know the history lets specify on what subject we talking about! so that i know what to reply. ask me a question
Alqoshi 10 months ago
First of all I want to say Ethokh Brikha.
Back to what we are talking about. It is a fact that the Assyrians are direct decendants of the Akkdians.
After the Akkadian Empire fell, Babylon was ruled by Amorite Kings for a few hundred years. One of those Amorite Kings being Hammurabbi. At this time the Assyrians faught against the Amorites to gain control of thier ancestors in Babylon.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 ethoukh kh-kool Mshee7ayea hamayit ethookh breekha.
hold on here, you are changing the subject! is your issue Chaldeans joining the Vatican and that we are not Chaldeans or the the past ancient Chaldeans history? so that i know. we were discussing who are the Chaldeans and Assyrians of today !
Alqoshi 10 months ago
You must understand what a word means before you approach it with a closed mind thinking it important and hoping to create something out of nothing. What is the study of Assyria? Is it the study of a vanished evil empire that made enemies everywhere? Is it the study of a concurred and forever obliterated empire? Where is the glory in that to even consider studying it?
Alqoshi 10 months ago
For your information, and if you have ever opened an English dictionary, you can see the
suffix “ology” comes from the Greek language and it means “the study of”! So, all you have to do is add a noun in front of it and it becomes the study of that particular word, in your case Assyria + ology! It could be Alqoshiology, or Kannabilology, and so on…
Alqoshi 10 months ago
I also want to add it doesn't matter to me if you call me Akkadian, Assyrian, or Babylonian. They are all ethnicly the same. They spoke the same language, had the same form of writing, and beleived in the same gods of the time. What makes them ethnicly different? NOTHING!
As far as I know there is no Chaldean language. In Universities around the world they study Assyriology. There is no such thing as the study of Chaldiology. Because Chaldeans are part of the Assyrian/Babylonian stock.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 NO its not, if you were Babylonian you would say Babylonian or Akkadian and nothing else as to us Chaldeans YES you can call us Babylonians cause we are Babylonians and the Bible does say Babylon is ours as well as our Empire was Babylon, if you believe in the same God and have same writing doesn't make you same ethnicity, are Iranians and Arabs the same?
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 Who said there was Assyrian Language? there has never been an Assyrian language in human history. Proto Chaldeans are before Assyrians :) they go back during Sumerian time.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 For your information, and if you have ever opened an English dictionary, you can see the
suffix “ology” comes from the Greek language and it means “the study of”! So, all you have to do is add a noun in front of it and it becomes the study of that particular word, in your case Assyria + ology! It could be Alqoshiology, or Kannabilology, and so on…
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 You must understand what a word means before you approach it with a closed mind thinking it important and hoping to create something out of nothing. What is the study of Assyria? Is it the study of a vanished evil empire that made enemies everywhere? Is it the study of a concurred and forever obliterated empire? Where is the glory in that to even consider studying it?
Alqoshi 10 months ago
Oh and your first patriach Mar Shimun Youhana Sulaqa who was dubbed Patriarch of the Catholic Church of Athur and later changed the athur to Chaldean. One of his ancestors is Mar Shimun of the Assyrian Church of the East. I can be sure that the stamp you are talking about is only 500 years old and not older than the Assyrian of the East. I think your reaching.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 Patriarch of Athur ! Do you know what the Bishops of America are called? Chaldean Bishop of Detroit Michigan or Chaldean Bishop of San Diego California, can anyone after 1000 years say that Chaldeans were the Red Indians? Most Chaldeans live in the North of Iraq where once it was used to be called Assyria, so does that means we are Assyrians? NO.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 The stamp is used by the Church of the East that wasn't Catholic, get it ! as a matter of fact a document (letter) of the Assyrian Church in 1933 its got that stamp on it and it has been translated wrong ! check it yourself :)
Alqoshi 10 months ago
Lets get one thing strieght Chaldeans are Babylonians not the other way around. Babylon was part of the Assyrian empire for for alot longer the 87 years of the chaldees. Actualy the Kassites ruled over Babylon for more than 600 years which is also alot longer than the Chaldeans. At that time governers were called kings of thier villages. There has never been a Chaldean Empire only a Chaldean Dynasty that rose to power to take control of an existing empire for 87 years.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 Chaldeans are people of Babylon, Babylon is ours. Assyrians destroyed Babylon read on the Assyrian Kings what they done to it, if something belongs to you, you don't destroy it. Yes it was part of the Ancient Assyrian Empire it was a conquered land that's all, it wasn't Assyrian land. did you say there was never a Chaldean Empire? proof and sources to support what you say. ( soon a video of the Chaldean Empire will be on ) :))))))
Alqoshi 10 months ago
In the end we can agree to disagree on most things but I hope we can agree we are the same people. No matter if we call ourselves Assyrians, Chaldeans, or Syriacs.
kannabil99 10 months ago
Did all the Assyrians perish and only the Chaldean outsiders are left?
Its funny how the Catholics only call themselves Chaldeans and Nestorians only call themselves Assyrian and the Jacobites only call themselves Syriacs. Does not anyone see a problem with this?
I also wanted to add that Babylon was not populated by only Chaldeans. Also the Chaldean Dynasty was the shortest riegn in mesopotamian history. Yes I know it was a fantastic 87 years.
kannabil99 10 months ago
Assyrians and Babylonians come from Akkadian stock. So maybe we can say we are all Akkadian?
The numbers you throw out in your video are hard to believe because at Babylons peak it is that the population was around 200,000 people and it was the largest city of that time.
If that many Chaldeans were displaced into Assyria they would have had a better chance of ruling over Assyria and not Babylon.
Its hard for me to beleive that we are all Chaldeans that live Assyrian territories.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 if you believe that we or Assyrians are Akkadians then why do you call yourself Assyrian? that's one. one thing i can't negotiate with you and that is my ethnic Chaldean name.
its funny how the old eastern Church was using a stamp that said "The humbled Shimun, Patriarch of the Chaldeans", and many westerns did visit our region and they called us Chaldeans (Nastorians).
the numbers that i throw didn't come from me azizi it came from the ancient Assyrian kings
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 are denying you own Assyrian kings that you claim to be one? if you deny this artifacts that means we deny everything, would you accept that? read the sources properly. buddy i don't joke around i would' be so confident if i wasn't 100% sure that ancient Chaldeans still exist! and Chaldeans did rule Assyria for more than 85years so obviously they send Chaldeans there plus the tens of thousands of prisoners. Is it hard for you that Europeans live in America? or Africans live Europe?
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 whats close Africa to Europe or Babylon to Nineveh ? (knowing Chaldeans took over for 87years plus the thousands of prisoners) be logic.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
I beleive what the writer is trying relay to you is during his time there he spoke to the people in the region and they professed themselves to be Assyrian were there since history began. History began meaning since writing was developed.
Like said earlier google The Chaldeans Fact and Fiction read those writings and prove them wrong.
Its not about failing or passing. it's more about learning and by that I mean maybe we both learn something. :-)
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 read my sources don't convince yourself. We are the ancient Chaldeans, and Chaldeans and other christians of Hakkari were given the Assyrian name 200years ago by william wigram.
prove my sources wrong so that i believe you :) if not find diff subject
Alqoshi 10 months ago
If you would like to read the rest of this article, google search The Chaldeans, Facts and Fiction.
kannabil99 10 months ago
This fact is thoughtfully noted by Rev. W.A. Wigram’s in his book "The Assyrians and their Neighbors," when he wrote;
Here are a people who, in the time of the beginning of the Christian era, are founded living in the lands where, in the year 600 BC the Assyrian stock had been established since history began; nor is there any record of any considerable immigration into, or emigration from, that land, in the interval."
This is written by writers/scholars/historians not me!
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 wow William Wigram when was he around again? what year? our documents are way before him, now i'll say it again check the sources on my video 'Ancient Chaldeans to Modern Chaldeans" then prove them wrong IF NOT then dont talk abou this subject cause you failed :)
Alqoshi 10 months ago
We had shown, on the other hand, that no major migration had occured by the Chaldeans of antiquity to Nineveh which could have resulted in some sort of evacuating of the original Assyrian inhabitants and replacing them with the Chaldeans. Hence, the Christian inhabitants of today’s Mosul and its neighboring towns are mainly from the Assyrian stock who have been living there since the fall of the Assyrian Empire according to history records.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 if you can prove the sources on the video 'ancient Chaldeans to modern Chaldeans' are wrong then go for it other than that don't reply and don't repeat wrong info. The modern Assyrians were discovered by William Wigram so don't even talk about today's Assyrians.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
In summary, we read that the Chaldean dynasty ruled over Babylonia for some 87 years, and they spoke a dialect of Akkadian or Aramaic, and we are not able until today to point out to any such thing as a Chaldean language. We know for a fact too that the Chaldean name in the modern time is a religious name given by Rome to those Assyrians who abandoned the Church of the East and adapted Roman Catholicism.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 dont repeat youself, prove the sources on my video that they are wrong, if you can't then don't talk none sense
Alqoshi 10 months ago
I also wanted to say that I think there are outsiders that have created this seperation between Chaldeans and Assyrians so that we will never situate ourselves in Iraq. Because they all know that Iraq truely belongs to us. The Kurds are loving the internal bickering between us. In the mean time they are busy taking lands that dont belong to them. Nothing but love for ya Alqoshi.
kannabil99 10 months ago
They did make Babylon great I agree with you. But my point is that the Kaldi village in southern Babylon was nothing more than a tribe that came to power during the last 80+ years of the Babylonian empire. They were one of many tribes. Also the Kings that rose from Kaldi always referred to themselves as kings of Babylon and nothing else. The village of Kaldi was far south along the persian gulf and most of Chaldians of today are situated were the Assyrian Empire was.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 are you trying to convince me or you convincing yourself? what tribe are you own about? Chaldean is an ethnicity OK keep it in mind. 80years but Babylon was greater than ever. Yes many Chaldeans of today are situated there > watch my videos "Ancient Chaldeans to Modern Chaldeans" part one and two and you'll see why they are situated there
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@Alqoshi Alqosh is an ancient Assyrian village. Also known as Yimma d' Athor meaning Mother Of Assyria. What happened to all the Assyrians in Alqosh? Were they driven out by the Chaldeans? Or are Alqoshi's really Assyrians that got tricked by a churches name? I think if you read the writings of one of the greatest people from Alqosh Rabbi Hermiz Aboona you will truely find yourself. You need not fight it. Embrace who you really are, dont let the outsiders win. love & peace, & maybe a DNA test.
kannabil99 10 months ago
@kannabil99 lol why all these games for you should've got straight to the point.1. Hermiz Aboona was Assyrianized he is not an Assyrian. 2. America was the land of the Red Indians does that mean today's inhabitants of America are all Red Indians? 3. what about the tens of thousands Chaldean prisoners taken to Nineveh by the Assyrian kings? 4. The prison camp in Assyria was in today's Nineveh were Alqosh, Tisqopa, Telkaif and the rest, as matter of fact all these prisoners built Nineveh.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
@kannabil99 watch my video "Ancient Chaldeans to Modern Chaldeans' part one and two'' the sources are there.
Alqoshi 10 months ago
Narrowcross gave ur hand a shake,Assyrians are native, were suppose to united like in the beginning of are civilization
zaeihbenjamin 11 months ago
Assyrians, Chaldean, Iraqi or Greater Iraqi Arab speakers, Sunni, Christian or Shia...etc are all native to the land ot Iraq. Maybe its time to give unity a chance rather than fight which is what our enimies want.
narrowcross 11 months ago