Wrong, Hitler is applicable in this case. Agreed, Nickelback is terrible. You, must be young to refer to music as either hardcore or far from it. I was that way once.
I agree, bands today do suck and believe me, your dad's era of bands sucked too. Certainly the dark days of hardcore. Also, btw, Adolf Hitler also stood for something he believed in.
Mohammed Atta also had a belief system i would disprove off.
Another point I would like to make. RAID, was far from hardcore.
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To call me a capatilist is really reaching there. If you even knew thing one about me you would see how stupid you really are. You are simply a new kid that wishes to god that you were not the new kid. This makes you the bitter one and makes all your wikipeidia knowledge meaningless. Get a life man.
HeatOhio you are a hypocrite and thats why all your silly counter responses don't phase me as much as callung you out phases you. Keeping buying ADIDAS and supporting the system.
I'm not bitter one bit, and I don't buy "expensive" jackets. I buy stuff from thrift stores and buyout stores. Just because you saw one interview with me and I was wearing an Adidas jacket you act like you know what I wear on a day to day basis.
Heatohio; I'm sorry but whether you deny it or not you're BITTER AS THEY CAN COME. What's your motive for keeping an eye on this thread? Because I guess perhaps some guy in RAID must have bashed a gay friend or yours or perhaps you were once "HL" but got excommunicated and now have a vigil against it where ever you sense it pop up. Your Demon is Gone it died years ago all the HL kids of the 90's are no longer HL even in principle. LET it go and move on with your life.
First of all, my first point about the fact that ALL animal species have gay members was in fact proof that your homophobia is fucking idiotic. Secondly, I did and do like the music. Although the people themselves were sellouts and fakes does not mean that the music was not any good.
HeatOhio firstly Homophobia means FEAR of gays; thinking their behavior has no basis in HUMAN nature is merely stating facts. Gay members of other species even though such claims are dubious and flawed to begin with DO Not prove Human Homosexuality as much as G.I. Joe proves that "America Fights for Freedom". They are totally UNANALAGOUS and function differently in numerous regards. As for your bitter rivalry with RAID go take it up with them not me.
Stop trying to argue with people that really know what they are talking about. I just wish you were around back in the day so you would know what I'm talking about. The youth is headed for an awful direction if you are an example.
Heatohio yeah because you REALLY knew what you were talking about trying to say that Life-Pairing of Male Swans is proof that Human Homosexuality inborn. Heatohio do you ever get tired of trolling? I suppose you suggest that the youth should follow your example and purchase Nice fancy and expensive sweat shop produced Fashionable sports attire to look good for TV interviews; because the Youth sure need capitalist hypocrites as role models.
I guess you should have thought before you spoke mahmood. You are an American kid who thinks he knows about people in other countries and now have been proven wrong. You don't know anyone from out of your suburban neighborhood.
heatohio you're really bitter; I don't know why but you seem to keep an "eye" on this ONE particular video for some ODD and OBSESSIVE reason; I'm here because I LIKE the music of RAID so I often just come to listen to the music. BUT you resent RAID and everything they stood for. Don't you think you should GROW up and get over it? Seriously for a person who claims to be an activist I'd figure you'd be a broader person, but ADIDAS hoodies and hypocrisy is simply a way of life for you.
you dont have to be hardcore to be hardline; in fact most hardliners I knew listened to hip hop and reggae thats why you see all these kids who were in HL getting a name in underground hip hop.
A long time ago, before you knew about all of this stuff, hardline was associated with hardcore. The hip hop and reggae thing did not start til much later. Turn the clock back to '93 and find me one hardliner that did not associate hardline with hardcore. I'm not really sure why music is that big of a deal anyway, the movement was supposed to be politcal, not musical.
music has nothing to do with Hardline, thats why you used to find Hardliners from places like brazil who who knew nothing of hardcore or any musical genre ti ve affiliated with Hardline. But since you're just a over grown hardcore kid who has nothing to do but try and win scene points despite the fact you're nearly 38 years old; I guess this would be beyond your grasp.
You obviously haven´t met a single brazilian hardline guy or he hasn't been very honest to you... every single hardline in brazil knew about it via the hardcore scene. Now, it´s an entirely different thing if they wanted to look like broad minded people and practice other musical styles beyond hardcore.
Caosvalencia this can only settled by proof and evidence; if you care to discuss this issue further; feel free to prove that the Brazilian Hardliners came into HL through the HC scene and not through Other mediums such as AL/EL ideologies.
I guess he is legit but not as smart as you to be able to pick out a fake. Quit talking like you know what you are talking about, I am starting to become embarassed for you.
You really should start doing some stand up comedy, you are surely funny enough. You consider Rod the only legit guy because he is the most mainstream and probably the only one you have ever heard of. It is funny that the only legit guy gave me so much support during my case.
You're still babbling? You have some sore emotional wounds; but seriously so Rod supports you; He supports AL activists irregardless. That doesnt mean anything unique about you. Or that you're legit. Whats embarassing is that you'd desperately flaunt yourself for some silly teenaged hardcore kid Ego branding. ...grow the fuck up
Yes actually this had to be actually around 1993 or 94. I don't think there's a Captive Nation Rising video but there is a Vegan Reich video from Indianapolis floating around. I think Ryan Downey from Time In Malta/Burn It Down has a copy; unfortunately mine was stolen 4 years ago.
Give me a break. You don't even know about American AL activists let alone ones from other countries. Quit trying to make yourself out to look so cool. It is really sad.
So you would like to believe. But considering that in Europe they cost industries nearly a Billion dollars in damages while in the many years you've only done a combined 40 Million? Coronado is one of few legitimate AL activists who were caught. You're just a Rod Coronado wannabe, but thats probably what the FBI told you to be.
It is really sad that someone who is nothing to the movement has the nerve to talk shit to an acutal member of the movement. People know that I'm for real, your worthless opinion means nothing. I've done thankless work for animals for over 16 years now, that is far from ego driven. My 16 years of activism is about 16 years more then you have.
No wonder Europeans and South Americans consider the N.American AL movement a sham. too many ADIDAS and beanie cap wearing kids do it to look rebellious rather than make changes.
I'm sorry that you are angry at your unwillingness to be pro active. I know that I would feel like shit too if I were too apathetic to actually work towards a goal that I claim to care about. Go gay bash some more, maybe we will all be lucky and one of them will have a gun and blow your brains out.
yeah thats it; Just because someone isnt a egotistic narcissst and does activist work for fame and personal reputation as you do ...it means they're doing nothing. Spoken like a true Slave of the System.
Sorry, I'm far from a teeny bopper or a wanna be activist. I was doing this shit before you even knew that there was a counter culter out there. I'm not worried about some newby calling me names. Actually, I think you must become an activist before you become a newby. You are more like an aspiring newb.
If several means one then you are dead on. I responded in the section that has the video with me in it to try to silence an idiot opposed to AL. As for "cushy prison" setting me straight, think what you want. If any prison could be called cushy it would be federal, which I was not in. Rod used to call me when he was still in federal prison and said that it was the best situation to be in if you had to be in prison. Have fun with you facsist ways.
I rather be labeled a fascist by a teeny bopper who wanted to be an activist now turned FBI informant than to be like you; now get back to that supposed "life" you said you were going to get back to nearly 2 Weeks ago LOL.
People like me? If there were more people like me around this country would have some changes. Unfortuantally we have people like you, which slows things down. If typing on the internet changed the world you would be the head revolutionary.
What a joke; and Don't act like you're suddenly holier than me.You said you're DONE with this discussion but you have been HERE everyday trying to redeem yourself. In fact you're on SEVERAL OTHER video threads too. You are the E-warrior you claim others to be. I Guess sitting in a Cushy Prison for spoiled Suburban kids who think they're rebelling scared you straight. lol
Taking down the infastructure is taking down the government. To completely bring animal lliberation you need to either A. Change everones mind or B. Stop the appeal of animal abuse by companies. Without enough people for full revolution the only hope is to stop paying taxes. I have a job where I write off enough to not pay taxes. I refuse to have a job that makes me pay taxes.
I think you're wearing your HC kid beanie hat too tight again because you SIMPLY DIDN'T GET IT ; and I would elaborate more on precisely what I meant but you're shady enough as it is. I know when to master my pride and ego; so if you cant grasp what I mean then you're on your own.
The only animal rights group I belong to is my own and we are completely legal. I have no worries about infiltration. (Not that I would be happy about being infiltrated) I found out that I was watched since '93, so my open support for direct action is raising no new red flags. Plus it is no secret about what I was arrested for, so talking about that is no big deal.
Also, how were you so smart to figure out that I'm an FBI agent? Please don't tell any animal rights activists about me. Good thing for me you don't actually communicate with real activists nor do you know any real activists. Watch out or I might bust you for being an cyber revolutionary.
I'm sure whatever animal rights unit you work for has been thoroughly infiltrated by FBI anyways; the way you self promote yourself in a discussion about homosexuality indicates a clear deliberate "fishing" tactic the FBI has been known to use; people like you are all over. no wonder the most you have done is merely a few thousand in damages. and the AL movement in N.America have done a measly 40 Mill you need to learn from your European and South American counterparts how things are done.
You don't need to explain the defenition of subsudizing a company. I'm a 16 year activist that has done more public speaking on these matters then you have done speaking to real people. (Seeing as how most of your communication is done over the internet) The governmental subsidizing of industries have nothing to do with that lack of impact direct action has on it. It is really sad that you don't know that. If Wikipedia does not say it, then you will never know it.
It HAS plenty to do with it; instead of demolishing infrastructure which would affect the governments fiscal budget you just let the government reinvest it's inflated revenue. You're a SHITTY direct action planner and thats why you were caught. It's people like you who mess things up for everybody.
You are really the funniest person I have ever talked too. How can it be name dropping if you name some artists that you listen too? I'm not sure that you know the defenition of most of these words that you use.
Well considering that I didn't ask you what Hip Hop groups you listened to it was obvious you were trying hard to not look like a Hardcore kid cliche' because I called you on your apparent physical appearance which mimics those characteristics. You ended up doing the opposite. Keep making yourself look phoney.
If anything you fit the mold of a typical hardcore kid a hell of a lot more then I do. Maybe if this were still '92 you would be able to say that I looked the part, but even back then I had my own way of thinking. I did not know one hardcore kid that was with me against the first Iraqi war. No sXe kids were with me when I publicly burnt a US flag at the age of 13 in protest of that war. In fact when I went to shows nobody really talked about it much or knew much about it.
LOL yeah you're such a rebel with your ADIDAS Pull Over and beanie hat ..by the way doesn't ADIDAS run sweatshops? See what did I tell you about single issue causes? So much for the revolution.
I would love to know how a mink farm raid helps the fur industry. I know that you realize that you are full of shit but you have to say anything to make yourself feel better for being completely inactive. All of the true activists have real work to do, you people have a lot of crying to do. So lets let myself get back to the real work and I'll put you in charge of internet fighting. See, we both have our jobs to do.
Well see most farms whether fur farms or agricultural get special state and federal subsidies; this is a government practice to help ensure they're economically viable. This lowers their bottom line and increases their profit. By just attacking a farm and not infrastructure of the industry itself you help increase funding to ensure other fur farms prosper now that these fur farms are out of operation.
This is why you single issued Fashioncore kids have only done 40 Mil in damages; PEANUTS.
I am extremely active in more causes then you even knew existed. I am a gambling man and would be willing to bet any amount of money that you are not the least bit active. All people like you do is claim that nothing works, make fun of what people try to accomplish, all the while sitting on your fat ass in front of your computer. You are what us real activists call a coffee shop revolutionary.
Well see the difference between you and I is I know an FBI informant when I sense one. So My ego isn't as heavily inflated as yours where that iitch for self validation will drive mt to say anything. But since I know you're an informant I'll say "Yes I'm inactive". Now quit trying to get me to implicate myself in anything My Federal Informant Friend. Your "psych" tactics don't work here.
You are officially crazy. You have no legit arguments to make so you throw names and accusations around. I'm not quite sure how a knit hat and an Adidas pull over is "hardcore kid fashion" I'm not a "hardcore kid". I liked the music because it sang about what I am into. Just like I listen to Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, Jurassic 5 and any other music that has a messgae behind it.
Yeah yeah whatever you say Fashioncore kid; funny how you name drop the ONLY Hip Hop groups that are only appealing to HC kids. Nevermind Hip Hop artists like Oracle or The Arsonists. Yeah stay to your little pseudo revolutionary ADIDAS wearing self aggrandizing activism Mister Informant.
How have I concentrated on any singel issue? So far we have talked about AL, abortion and gays. Single means one, so far there have been 3 issues. I suggest you spend more time learning the meaning of simple words instead of googling defenitions of big words you can try to use to disguise your true ignorance of issues you claim to know about. Get a life, you are not doing any good for anyone so do us all a favor and kill yourself.
Mentioning an issue DOES NOT suffice for Being a Multi Issue Cause moron. Your ONLY claim of "self sacrifice" is an event where you actually ended up indirectly helping the Fur Industry. AGAIN you show your debating weakness by diverting into vocabulary the irony is you use about the same level of vocabulary that I do so you're both a hypocrite and making excuses. Your Chokehold record didn't teach you how to do proper direct action.
If you were even informed about mink farm raids you would know that A. the mink are not sought after by animal control and B. it is more about money and future animals' lives. The mink farm raid I was convicted of raiding shut down becuause of the attack. That is more for animals then you will ever do with your crying and moaning.
Yeah most of which are recaptured and/or killed plus and you indirectly helped other fur farms get bigger federal grants. Thats why all phonies like you ever did was cause a MEASLY few thousand dollars in damages while other militant action groups have created Billions in damages. So thanks for helping the government take it's already inflated revenue and lend it for more greed. I'm all for direct action, but direct action done EFFECTIVELY.
I am extremely defensive by simply defending myself? Think what you want but everyone involved in the AL movement knows that I'm legit. They would not even know who you are becuase you are not involved in the AL movement.
You're extremely defensive by trying to defend something that SHOULDN'T NEED a defense; the secure activist would have said "think what you want" way before this point. The problem is that the North American AL movement has been heavily infilitrated by FBI which is why no serious achievement has been done in years. We have you to thank for that. No keep posing for network news cameras with your Hardcore kid fashion clothes Mr. Informant.
One thing that proves that you're a sheep is that you believe and follow everything that hardline says. I'm open enough where I'm considered way to militant and non PC to be welcomed into the wimpy AL people and I'm to smart to be accepted by fascist "activists" like you. I hate to use the word activist with kids like you because you don't actually do anything besides bitch. Every hardline kid has been more worried about concerts then activism. Fuck you, you fake ass bitch.
Thats ur straw man argument to assume I am/was HL; Hardline was 100% or nothing. I may agree 95% with HL but not 100%. I hate to break it to you but u r the PC Wimp AL people. What you think vandalism and setting animals out only to get put down by animal control units is ACTVISM? What have you done to STOP those animals from being there in the first place. As u said b4 People tend to project their short comings on to others; ur definately an example of that.
Furthermore, you call me single issued because I'm not stupid enough to hate gays. I forgot, you don't hate gays you just know in your little brain that they are unnatural. Actually I work with a lot of worthwhile causes. One of which is anti war/government causes. You would like this government though considering the factg that you're a fascist like them.
You're single issued because you seem to concentrate on single issues. You are narrow minded and above all myopic. In fact even though you accuse me of being a Hardliner, one reason I never joined Hardline was because MOST of them came from the same culturally priveleged background and had the same psychology that you do- that is thinking little suburbanite angst filled activities like vandalism and arson equates= Direct Action. if you think thats "militancy" then you're just a light weight.
You really are a pathetic little boy. It is so funny that you have no argument based on real fact or logic so you turn to calling me privilaged and a FBI informant and use oversized words to mask your ignorance on the subject.
See I know what I say has at least SOME weight because you start becoming extremely defensive about it when I mention it. You show all the typical patterns of FBI informants, they're usually as careless as you are act EXTRA loud about their "activities" even if it holds little relevance. And as I explained since you're born from the CULTURAL MAINSTREAM and not a minority, u are priveleged since you're not oppressed to the degree of minorities and have the socio-cultural safety net.
Finally, what this all started about. You say that there is no scientific proof that people are born gay. You claim that it is a result of an unnatural world we live in. You ignore the fact there are gay members of every mammal species, species that live in perfectly natural surroundings. Fuck you religious zelots. Someday when you grow up you'll learn what an ass you were a little child.
Yes and I still hold to what I say; even your "Swan" example had loopholes anyone who studied Zoology could tell you. Your claims of what constitutes gay members have been debunked long time ago; its only the naive and people who have a political agenda who hold on to such out dated Quasi-Kinseyan conclusions. Everything from Bonobo Genital rubbing to Dogs Raping Dogs have been attributed to other motives besides sexual attraction or sex drive.
Your ignorance further shows by assuming that "natural surroundings" necessarily means "natural behavior". Man Made Electro-Magnetic radiation permeates the entire globe and have proven affects on animal behavior. Your shallow "single cause" approach is why your ALF buddies have failed in making any difference. You can call me names all you want, at least I'll never be a sell out FBI informant like you.
Secondly, you still claim that my motivation is ego simply because you can not comprehend that someone does something for a non selfish reason. It is very common for humans to reflect our own shortcomings onto others. You are a perfect example of that. I talk about my arrest because it helps others. People can learn from it and I'm all about helping others.
Wrong; a person who does something for an unselfish reason doesn't advertise themselves or their activities past, present or future unless its NECESSARY. When you're in a direct action discussion group then yes then discuss things to educate; BUT here it was totally irrelevant. Yeah you're right its common to reflect short comings on others so what you claim about me is REALLY about yourself.
Before I get away from this idiotic argument I must respond to a couple of things. Damn I think I've lost brain cells talking with an idiot like you. Oh well, luckily have plenty to spare. You brought up my "advantaged upbringing". Your sorry ass assumes that I'm from an advantaged lifestyle just becuase you are. To let you know, my father is homeless and I've worked for years for everything that I have.
You never had many brain cells to begin with so don't use me as a scapegoat just because you fail to hold a strong argument. You're from a priveleged upbringing after all regardless of what you claim you're from the cultural mainstream. Even if you're poor you're still on the fringe of it. if you think being arrested and going to a comfy prion makes you an "activist" then you really don't know jack sh*t.
I must get back to my real life now. Play time is over. Himunholy, I suggest you leave this peice of shit alone. He is a sheep that will follow what his group tells him to. By the way, rap is a predominatly black thing. They started it as a way to express themselves and to tell what goes on in their lives. Just because there are white hip hop artists does not change it roots.
Yeah leave with the last bit of TYPE-A Personality Narcissism and reassure yourself by making a "third man" response. Rap maybe "predominantly" black but not CHARACTERISTICALLY black; figures a TYPE A narcissist who suffers Megalomania will be a RACIST FUCK WIT at that. And you call others sheep yet regurgitate the typical Racial Concepts of your sheltered priveleged upbringing.
Maybe you are not aware of what being caught means. There are many of us, Rod Coronado, myself, Keith Mann, Darren Thurston and many others who speak about our experiences. Ego has nothing to do with it, education about direct action from those that can openly talk about it. The FBI had a file on me since '93, I'm no stranger to them. If you search ALF news the first video is a news story that someone posted with me in it. Just like it has other activists.
Yeah yeah ...You're what I call a "Rock Star" Activist. Type-A Narcissistic Personality syndrome. You're probably an informant now and for this reason I shall desist speaking to you.
I fucked up in my last post. I began to say that if abortion was outlawed the rich would still have access to abortions while the poor are shit out of luck. Abortion is a horrible thing, I can see the big picture though, while people like you look at life through a narrow tube.
Yeah ok; You are really confused first you try and argue in terms of class issues and when that fails you jump back to the general condition of abortion. Your "big picture" consists of you standing in the mirror every day stroking your failed sense of self esteem.
Abortion is used by the rich to regulate the poor???? Do you realize that just as many rich white teenage girls are getting abortions, it is just not in the public offices like the poor are forced to go to? If abortion was outlawed the rich. You are really uneducated about your issues. For being such an activist you really are on youtube a lot arguing with people. I've had a couple slow days in my life, you must have a slow year. Get a fucking life you wanna be revolutionary.
The rich use abortions to erase the consequences of their indulgence; but abortion in respects to the poor is a sociio-political tool to assault minority communities. If you speak of a "classist" interpretation of the abortion issue thats the underlying reality. Nice way to straw man argument; use the "class" struggle approach and then when I do the same jump around back to abortion in the general population. Looks like calling you out on being a phoney ALF member really struck a nerve. LOL
I don't brag about being involved in direct action, I'm a convicted activist. That means that I was caught and convicted, meaning there is no fucking secret. Just like other former ALF activists do, I try to educate people about direct action since I can openly talk about my experiences.
You WERE just bragging. A militant should never ever discuss any activity they do done because that risks possibility of investigation. Such an act could put entire CELLS at risk or any other activists they're in contact with. ESPECIALLY in this Patriot Act error where FBI has free pickings. ALWAYS work clandestinely no matter how much YOUR EGO itches to get recognized, if you really are in the ALF you proved you aren't doing this for animals you do it for your own VANITY ; Pathetic.
The sad thing is that you have this idea of me that makes me opposite of what you are. I'm against the blind hatred of gays so I must be a certain way. In reality I'm a militant vegan activist, and a convicted ALF activist. I hate polital correctness and have done speeches about the need of violence in our movement. I am just smart enough to make up my own mind of issues, unlike you who needs to be told what to think.
Ok dimwit lets make things clear:I DON'T HATE HOMOSEXUALS; I do however view their behavior an abnormality. I think such people need to be helped and treated. You're not a Militant Vegan Activist nor are you an ALF activist; wanna know why? Because NO MORON WOULD JEORPORDIZE DIRECT ACTION activity by announcing themselves on a widely monitored website. First rule of militancy/ or any direct action. STAY AS CLANDESTINE AS POSSIBLE. You broke rule #1 REAL SMART(sarcasm)
if you really had your own mind you wouldn't base your beliefs on logical fallacies. Nor would you do something as DUMB as claim you're involved in direct action. True Seekers of Justice don't Stoke for bragging rights ....fraud.
I'm not sure what pro gay is. I'm can think for myself and don't need some religious nut from Cali to tell me how to think. I'm not anti gay, if that makes me pro gay then so be it. As for abortion, I'm against it. Though I do realize that outlawing it would only effect the poor, so it is a class issue not just an abortion issue.
Yeah you can think for yourself but Your Arguments have Logical Loop Holes and Scientific Fallacies right? You're a JOKE and anyone who has any semblance of intelligence would see that the only reason you're crying about what vocabulary I use is because your argument is WEAK.
Abortion hurts the poor? Abortion is a weapon used against the poor; since most of the poor are minorities abortion services ensure that minority populations are controlled so the "upper classes" can regulate authority on minority populations. For someone who thinks for themselves you're pretty misinformed. What else can we expect from someone who pretends they're in the ALF.
Only a weak minded fool will turn try to impress someone with a shallow vocabulary. In debating, public speaking or any form of communication it is a sign of inferior intelligence to use colorful words, there is an exact name for that but I can't think of it right now.
Only a weak minded fool highlights vocabulary as an arguing point when they cant debate the subject matter within it. In debating, public speaking or any form of communication its a sign logical weakness when one has to stray the debate on to vocabulary. The word you're looking for is "verbose" you piss ant.
Only people who can't hold a strong debate use the vocabulary scapegoat.
What a shock that you are muslim, that is what Sean turned into and told everyone else to be. Muslims are just as trained as christians, they still believe some guy was born from a virgin (a story stolen from paganism). I never said Memphis was the Hardline headquarters, I said it turned into the capital. Indianapolis never had a huge Hardline group, even when Vangaurd was coming out of there.
But buddy there's a difference I'm from a Muslim background already. I appreciated Hardline ideals because they're already so much like Islam. So what if they believe in a virgin birth? Just because you're brainwashed by your dogma to think that Reality is bound by your five senses doesn't mean truths don't exist beyond it. You're more conditioned and trained than you claim others to be. Capital and HQ are used as synonyms so shove your semantics back down your wannabe ALF throat.
Go try to use your oversized words on someone who is impressed by it. Content is what really matters. I have done public speaking for years and know that you never get through to anyone trying to sound smarter then them. Which you clearly are not. You are just like all the other hardline kids from way back when, all talk and no action. .
Only a weak minded fool needs to avert a debate and whine about word choice. You have been disproven and debunked on all your scientific fallacies and your only response is to spew the same sentimental ignorance you did before. I highly doubt you do public speaking because if words beyond two syllables constitutes "oversized" you're probably a knit wit. You spoke errors and I debunked them; deal with it. You failed debating Hardliners and you'll fail debating me as well.
You are vegan, against abortion, don't smoke, drink, ect. are against gays. You use the word Eden every chance you get when arguing for veganism. Use biblical references when you have never read the bibal. Have friends in Memphis (Actually you were not around when Memphis was the Hardline capital)
Wow amazing you've concluded the most generic traits of anyone Vegan and Drug free regardless of being Hardline or not. You're clever? Except one problem I am Muslim not Christian so no Biblical quotes here.
Ok now let me debunk your stupidity and ignorance about Hardline. #1 Hardline doesn't EXIST anymore as a Movement. #2 Memphis wasn't Hardline HQ; Memphis was where the First Hardline gathering was.#3 Hardline had no HQ except towards the End it's main Mailing address was Cinncinnati,but Ryan in Indiapolis took over in publishing Vanguard. Believe me twirp I'm not as "new" to things as you FOOL yourself into thinking I am.
I made a comment about hardline becuase you clearly were a misguided person who fell into hardline beliefes. People like you are not true, you found something you thought was cool and went head first into it. I bet I can name every single thing you believe in.
You made a comment about Hardline because you hold an obvious sore spot about them. You call me misguided yet you're the one who speaks out of ignorance. Let me guess you're Pro choice, Pro Gay, think morality is "relative" and you're probably an atheist or agnostic who whines about religion, claim you hate the status quo BUT WANT Laws protecting homosexuals? How close am I?
You can use a whole paragraph of big words and it will never change the fact that there is nothing morally wrong with someone who is gay. I know many gay people that do, and have done more for animal liberation than you could ever imagine doing. Sorry to break it to you but I don't collect chokehold records. I, unlike yourself, did not get into political activism because of hardcore. I got into hardcore becuase it spoke about what I believed in.
Thats it? When you have your ridiculous "Swan" example debunked you recycle the same subjective remarks. The argument was whether homosexuality is natural. You have not shown one example which conclusively demonstrates it's an inborn physiological disposition to engage in homosexuality. If Glorify one form of social decadence in exchange for another, then they haven't accomplished much as they help perpetuate the very system which cause injustice to animals.
It is a FACT that numerous animals become life long partners with the same sex and have more same sex encounters then opposiste sex ones. Homosexuality is as natural as any other natural urge. Brainwashed right wingers like yourself claim to be for liberation when you speak the same bullshit that societies' status quo spits out.
HeatOhio biologists have long since debunked the idea of other species engaging in homosexual behavior. What homosexual activists try and interpret as homosexual pairing is often simply social habit(bonobos genital patting) or acts of physical aggression(quadrupeds raping quadrupeds. It's brainwashed Homosexual activists who think that any alleged companionship between the same gender in other species concludes homosexuality.
You already proved you own argument false by saying that Swans seek the opposite gender during mating season. This is an inborn physiological drive; which means "same gender pairing" is not a natural inclination even in Swans. As the other knit wit pointed out There are Laws favoring homosexuals and Mainstream Media Has Television programming which lends Sanction to Homosexual behavior. So it's homosexuality which is a product of the Status Quo not the critics of it.
Listen Mahmood, let me first state that I don't dwell on Hardline. I'm not sure where you came up with that. I said that I have argued with idiots like yourself for many years. Probably since you were still sucking on a bottle. Sadly a new age of hardline has popped up. And it is really sad when someone lacks confidence in themselves so much that they turn to useing colorfull words to try to make themselves sound smarter then they actually are.
You got involved with the discussion and made remarks about Hardline; clearly you dwell about Hardline you said it yourself you used to "debate" Hardliners in the 90's. Why drop such an anecdote if it didn't dwell inside you? I'm a year older than you. You weren't even a zygote when I was born.Want to know whats sad? When someone feels so inferior about themselves can't hold a valid argument and whines about someone's vocabulary as a diversion.
Suburbanite version of anarchy????? Please know who you are tallking to before you spew out your comments. My arguement is not at all irrelevent. I had the same arguement with "hardliners" back in the early 90's and continue to have it with the very very few of you asses that still exist. The problem is that new kids like yourself will continue to get into this distorted christian based view of the world. Educate yourself then come and talk to adults.
Your argument is irrelevant for many reasons; firstly the sexual reproduction cycles of two species are incongruent for obvious anatomical/physiological reasons. Secondly the pattern of social behavior is significantly distinct between humans and birds. You accuse me of "Christian Views" yet show a ridiculous level of scientific ignorance. So instead of sounding like a bluthering peon; take your own advice and educate YOURSELF before claiming to be an adult.
Lastly I want to clarify that I am not Hardline nor was I ever Hardline; I admit I have many common beliefs that Hardline does however to be Hardline it's all or nothing. The fact idiots like you are still whining and crying over a movement which ended nearly 10 years ago just shows you have some bitterness of being incapable of ideologically refuting it's ideas. ...My Second advice is get over it and go back to collecting Chokehold records.
Yeah everyone who believes that Swans mating with females to produce offspring(a physiological motive) but has a non-sexual companionship with a male swan, really has a clue about what they're talking about.
I see stupid ass hardline kids are still talking about gay people. This is the reason that Hardline was always hated. The fact is that EVERY SINGLE species of animal has homosexual members. The black swan will mate for life with the same sex often times breeding with a female and then raising the offspring with another male swan. Get a fucking clue. Worry about animal liberation not a gay person.
Not only is your argument irrelevant to human sexuality it's completely false. Firstly Male Swans don't have clocae so they so males cannot and do not mate with other males; their "pairing" is strictly platonic. Secondly Swan breeding is seasonal; which reinforces that the "sexual" context is social and not physio-biological. Next time do some better research before speaking or stick to your Sanitized Suburbanite version of Anarchy.
And lastly if they're so obsessed with rights y did they want 2 make animals equals 2 humans and ignore the gay community? once more HYPOCRISY and ignorance, i think ur the one with the diluted sense of the world
They didnt want to make animals equal to human moron. They wanted animal lives to hold the same sanctity a human life has. Animals are exploited and killed in such insane ways all just to satiate pleasure. See what I mean? This is what I was saying earlier in my first post ..I knew you were dense and you wouldn't get it. ...we're through here.
so i guess animals deserve 2 not b slaughtered and YES THEY DID WANT ANIMALS 2 B NO LESS EQUAL THAN HUMANS, while they say gays r less than human, I'm all for animal rights and everything but saying that gays r unnatural or less than human is fucking retarded and ignorant, so piss off u homophobic cunt i think ur the dumb dense motherfucker hereu dont seem 2 understand simple things i wonder how u manage 2 get along in the world...
Please stop acting as if you know what you're talking about. I have evert issue of Vanguard not one states animals should be equal to humans. I dont care WHAT you think; you're clearly irrational and deluded. Unless you can prove that there is an inborn tendency for homosexual behavior then HOMOSEXUALITY IS UNNATURAL...thats just the Facts ..DEAL WITH MY WHINEY DIMWITTED FRIEND.
umm ok i can prove itthe way they r born, i did happen 2 ask my friend James (WHO IS GAY!!!!!) and he's known since he wuz 3 that he wuz gay so u wanna tell me that he is unnatural u obviously don't kno shit, do u honestly think that they would choose 2 b sumthing that is discriminated every fucking day of their life? think about it u dumb fuck, and as 4 this conversation, it's going nowhere really fast ur dumb fucking ignorant view on ppl is really pissing me off, so piss off! I'm done
Thats not proof you dimwit, thats an anecdotal reference; your friend is clearly lying, because the body does promote sex hormones at age 3; this is a physiological fact. If homosexuality is "descriminated" against then why are there shows like Queer Eye, Will and Grace? When you have popular culture condoning the behavior, you're not descriminated against.your lack of sound rational argument not "well my best friend .." is proof that you're a dimwit. Good bye.
umm he said he wuz gay when he wuz 5 when i met him u stupid twat, AND R U FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?!! DID U JUST SAY GAYS AREN'T DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?!?!?!?! THAT proves u r a retard here answer me this if gays aren't discriminated against then y r there gay bashes? HMMMM!?!?! y r there laws that keep them from being treated equal 2 straight ppl
Most 5 year olds don't have a concrete concept of sexuality; Which leads me to conclude you're lying. Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything anyways, try something which can't be made up and fabricated and can be referenced. You just proved that gays aren't discriminated against by showing mainstream laws speak in their favor. Way to go dimwit? Next you're gonna be petitioning for NAMBLA. Condemning people who engage in a behavior is not discrimination.
he said in these exact words " I LIKE BOYS" his exact words when he wuz 5, and have u ever heard stories of men who want 2 become women? those closest to them have said that at early ages not much older than my friend they knew who they were and grew up with it, so if u want to ignore facts and experiances that ppl have had, and as for NAMBLA i don't stand up 4 them b cuz they're actually doing sumthing illegal, its illegal 2 fuck little boys under 18 there r actually laws against that behavior
LOL Many 5 year old boys say things like "boys are cooler I like boys more than girls cuz girls are gross." YOU keep trying to dig yourself out of a hole but fall back into it. STOP using "anecdotal" stories; they prove JACK SHIT. Oh my God ; you're such an idiot. I dont think we need to carry this further. Tell me when all the air is decompressed from your head.
LOL Oh ok keep adding to the story? If what you're saying is true sounds like your friend was brainwashed into a homosexual lifestyle coming from countless years of abuse. This has actually be documented in psychological profiles of many homosexuals. Which reinforces my claim that homosexuals need to be HELPED and treated.
LOL ...yes its a basic human right if you seek to be with your natural sexual counterpart as this is what marriage was established upon. Marriage came into existence to identify and protect family. Therefore it's unless it's done in the "natural" context its not a natural "human right".
who r u 2 say homosexuality is unnatural? r u a scientist that has done years of research? I myself however have history on my side 2 prove that its natural it's been going on 4 millions of years, it presents itself in animals, and in most civilizations before ours it wuz accepted, not 2 say everything from past civilizations r accepted nowadays
I'm to say this because I have searched and searched and I have found NOT ONE scientific evidence NOT EVEN ONE which concretely demonstrates or claims homosexuality is inborn. Until we can find UNEQUIVOCAL evidence then your belief has no basis. You have "history" on your side? In History there have been Rapes So because rapes happened in History it means its natural? You dimwit ..bet you didn't see that one coming did you?
, until u said that i had a tiny little shred of respect 4 u 4 standing up 4 wut u believe in, but now I can c that ur just another ignorant twat who hates gays
LOL Who said that your respect was worth jack shit? You're a knit wit so any respect coming from you would be an insult. You think I'm going to believe "my friend said he was gay at age 5" type stories? get real Let me clarify I don't hate gays ...I however do believe they suffer from severe mental and hormonal imbalances, and need treatment and help.
ok wutever u just go do ur shit and hate while i go live a meaningful life trying to make the world a better place while u hold up progress through ur dumb ass homophobia
yeah make a the world a better place trying to get validation from the status quo by enacting laws to sanction homosexuality. I see your game FIGHT the system by EMPOWERING the system ...yeah that will work you counter productibe moron.
if anyone here is "empowering the system" its u asshole, ur the one playing right into the so-called "system as u put it" ur doing exactly wut they want, "I don't hate gays ...I however do believe they suffer from severe mental and hormonal imbalances, and need treatment and help" look at the ignorance coming from ur mouth, hate mongerers like urself need the help
where the new raid video then??
dondemp 1 year ago
@finnobaskin
link please
dondemp 1 year ago
@finnobaskin
where is it?
dondemp 1 year ago
there's turn muslim!yes!
misumi75 2 years ago
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soetisluuc 2 years ago
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Indie sux, hardline sux, emo sux, u suck!
*continues singing*
Blink182basscia 2 years ago
Partamos de la base de que tu nombre de usuario incluye a "Blink 182", no creo que estes a la altura de criticar a Raid, mucho menos al Hardline.
VeganFLA 2 years ago
No hablo espanol. lol, but I don't really care what you said anyway
Blink182basscia 2 years ago
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DrazharX 2 years ago
@Blink182basscia anti flag sucks. fuck off.
xStaycleanx 1 year ago
This is REAL hc!!! Lyrics, ideals, attitude... nowadays hc is shit.
hardlinechapter 2 years ago
blood green
wesmugg 3 years ago
whut?
Kremmlings 3 years ago
yeah, :-)
Kremmlings 3 years ago
Wrong, Hitler is applicable in this case. Agreed, Nickelback is terrible. You, must be young to refer to music as either hardcore or far from it. I was that way once.
sakuraba13 3 years ago
I agree, bands today do suck and believe me, your dad's era of bands sucked too. Certainly the dark days of hardcore. Also, btw, Adolf Hitler also stood for something he believed in.
Mohammed Atta also had a belief system i would disprove off.
Another point I would like to make. RAID, was far from hardcore.
Stereophonics are a great band btw.
sakuraba13 3 years ago
So glad the days of bands like this are over!
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Ygraine 3 years ago
i'm gonna go out on a limb & say none of these dorks are still maintaining a vegan lifestyle.
concreteplastic 3 years ago 2
@concreteplastic wrong
dirtvegan 1 year ago
I can't believe you found this.. Raid's CD is like IMPOSSIBLE to find!
jdrefahl 3 years ago
Lgoldie only brainwashed simpletons viewed hardline as "homophobic"
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I know that you are not talking about me so I guess I'll just leave this one alone.
heatohio 4 years ago
Una de las mejores bandas Hardline de los 90'
a pesar de que el tema Unsilent minority esta cortado... se puede escuchar el "THE HARDLINE"
jajajaj hermosos tiempos!
xmoskarx 4 years ago
mi banda favorita!
xresistancex 4 years ago
Wow. I was at this show. Great Times.
DreadJohn 4 years ago 2
My god thats shit
PaaPikkenIgen 4 years ago
To call me a capatilist is really reaching there. If you even knew thing one about me you would see how stupid you really are. You are simply a new kid that wishes to god that you were not the new kid. This makes you the bitter one and makes all your wikipeidia knowledge meaningless. Get a life man.
heatohio 4 years ago
HeatOhio you are a hypocrite and thats why all your silly counter responses don't phase me as much as callung you out phases you. Keeping buying ADIDAS and supporting the system.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I'm not bitter one bit, and I don't buy "expensive" jackets. I buy stuff from thrift stores and buyout stores. Just because you saw one interview with me and I was wearing an Adidas jacket you act like you know what I wear on a day to day basis.
heatohio 4 years ago
Heatohio; I'm sorry but whether you deny it or not you're BITTER AS THEY CAN COME. What's your motive for keeping an eye on this thread? Because I guess perhaps some guy in RAID must have bashed a gay friend or yours or perhaps you were once "HL" but got excommunicated and now have a vigil against it where ever you sense it pop up. Your Demon is Gone it died years ago all the HL kids of the 90's are no longer HL even in principle. LET it go and move on with your life.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
First of all, my first point about the fact that ALL animal species have gay members was in fact proof that your homophobia is fucking idiotic. Secondly, I did and do like the music. Although the people themselves were sellouts and fakes does not mean that the music was not any good.
heatohio 4 years ago
HeatOhio firstly Homophobia means FEAR of gays; thinking their behavior has no basis in HUMAN nature is merely stating facts. Gay members of other species even though such claims are dubious and flawed to begin with DO Not prove Human Homosexuality as much as G.I. Joe proves that "America Fights for Freedom". They are totally UNANALAGOUS and function differently in numerous regards. As for your bitter rivalry with RAID go take it up with them not me.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
It was summer of 91 i was there.
dirtvegan 4 years ago
Me too! That drummer sho was sexy!
bradandlaurel 4 years ago
Stop trying to argue with people that really know what they are talking about. I just wish you were around back in the day so you would know what I'm talking about. The youth is headed for an awful direction if you are an example.
heatohio 4 years ago
Heatohio yeah because you REALLY knew what you were talking about trying to say that Life-Pairing of Male Swans is proof that Human Homosexuality inborn. Heatohio do you ever get tired of trolling? I suppose you suggest that the youth should follow your example and purchase Nice fancy and expensive sweat shop produced Fashionable sports attire to look good for TV interviews; because the Youth sure need capitalist hypocrites as role models.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I guess you should have thought before you spoke mahmood. You are an American kid who thinks he knows about people in other countries and now have been proven wrong. You don't know anyone from out of your suburban neighborhood.
heatohio 4 years ago
heatohio you're really bitter; I don't know why but you seem to keep an "eye" on this ONE particular video for some ODD and OBSESSIVE reason; I'm here because I LIKE the music of RAID so I often just come to listen to the music. BUT you resent RAID and everything they stood for. Don't you think you should GROW up and get over it? Seriously for a person who claims to be an activist I'd figure you'd be a broader person, but ADIDAS hoodies and hypocrisy is simply a way of life for you.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
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straight edge is for pussies,hardline is for dumbs...choisissez votre camp...
Memaniak 4 years ago
you dont have to be hardcore to be hardline; in fact most hardliners I knew listened to hip hop and reggae thats why you see all these kids who were in HL getting a name in underground hip hop.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
A long time ago, before you knew about all of this stuff, hardline was associated with hardcore. The hip hop and reggae thing did not start til much later. Turn the clock back to '93 and find me one hardliner that did not associate hardline with hardcore. I'm not really sure why music is that big of a deal anyway, the movement was supposed to be politcal, not musical.
heatohio 4 years ago
music has nothing to do with Hardline, thats why you used to find Hardliners from places like brazil who who knew nothing of hardcore or any musical genre ti ve affiliated with Hardline. But since you're just a over grown hardcore kid who has nothing to do but try and win scene points despite the fact you're nearly 38 years old; I guess this would be beyond your grasp.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You obviously haven´t met a single brazilian hardline guy or he hasn't been very honest to you... every single hardline in brazil knew about it via the hardcore scene. Now, it´s an entirely different thing if they wanted to look like broad minded people and practice other musical styles beyond hardcore.
caosvalencia 4 years ago
Caosvalencia this can only settled by proof and evidence; if you care to discuss this issue further; feel free to prove that the Brazilian Hardliners came into HL through the HC scene and not through Other mediums such as AL/EL ideologies.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I guess he is legit but not as smart as you to be able to pick out a fake. Quit talking like you know what you are talking about, I am starting to become embarassed for you.
heatohio 4 years ago
You really should start doing some stand up comedy, you are surely funny enough. You consider Rod the only legit guy because he is the most mainstream and probably the only one you have ever heard of. It is funny that the only legit guy gave me so much support during my case.
heatohio 4 years ago
You're still babbling? You have some sore emotional wounds; but seriously so Rod supports you; He supports AL activists irregardless. That doesnt mean anything unique about you. Or that you're legit. Whats embarassing is that you'd desperately flaunt yourself for some silly teenaged hardcore kid Ego branding. ...grow the fuck up
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Yes actually this had to be actually around 1993 or 94. I don't think there's a Captive Nation Rising video but there is a Vegan Reich video from Indianapolis floating around. I think Ryan Downey from Time In Malta/Burn It Down has a copy; unfortunately mine was stolen 4 years ago.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Give me a break. You don't even know about American AL activists let alone ones from other countries. Quit trying to make yourself out to look so cool. It is really sad.
heatohio 4 years ago
So you would like to believe. But considering that in Europe they cost industries nearly a Billion dollars in damages while in the many years you've only done a combined 40 Million? Coronado is one of few legitimate AL activists who were caught. You're just a Rod Coronado wannabe, but thats probably what the FBI told you to be.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
It is really sad that someone who is nothing to the movement has the nerve to talk shit to an acutal member of the movement. People know that I'm for real, your worthless opinion means nothing. I've done thankless work for animals for over 16 years now, that is far from ego driven. My 16 years of activism is about 16 years more then you have.
heatohio 4 years ago
No wonder Europeans and South Americans consider the N.American AL movement a sham. too many ADIDAS and beanie cap wearing kids do it to look rebellious rather than make changes.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I'm sorry that you are angry at your unwillingness to be pro active. I know that I would feel like shit too if I were too apathetic to actually work towards a goal that I claim to care about. Go gay bash some more, maybe we will all be lucky and one of them will have a gun and blow your brains out.
heatohio 4 years ago
yeah thats it; Just because someone isnt a egotistic narcissst and does activist work for fame and personal reputation as you do ...it means they're doing nothing. Spoken like a true Slave of the System.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Sorry, I'm far from a teeny bopper or a wanna be activist. I was doing this shit before you even knew that there was a counter culter out there. I'm not worried about some newby calling me names. Actually, I think you must become an activist before you become a newby. You are more like an aspiring newb.
heatohio 4 years ago
Did you think all these comebacks when you were in a comfy prison cell and FBI agent John Smith said he'd help you out if you became an informant.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
If several means one then you are dead on. I responded in the section that has the video with me in it to try to silence an idiot opposed to AL. As for "cushy prison" setting me straight, think what you want. If any prison could be called cushy it would be federal, which I was not in. Rod used to call me when he was still in federal prison and said that it was the best situation to be in if you had to be in prison. Have fun with you facsist ways.
heatohio 4 years ago
I rather be labeled a fascist by a teeny bopper who wanted to be an activist now turned FBI informant than to be like you; now get back to that supposed "life" you said you were going to get back to nearly 2 Weeks ago LOL.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
People like me? If there were more people like me around this country would have some changes. Unfortuantally we have people like you, which slows things down. If typing on the internet changed the world you would be the head revolutionary.
heatohio 4 years ago
What a joke; and Don't act like you're suddenly holier than me.You said you're DONE with this discussion but you have been HERE everyday trying to redeem yourself. In fact you're on SEVERAL OTHER video threads too. You are the E-warrior you claim others to be. I Guess sitting in a Cushy Prison for spoiled Suburban kids who think they're rebelling scared you straight. lol
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Taking down the infastructure is taking down the government. To completely bring animal lliberation you need to either A. Change everones mind or B. Stop the appeal of animal abuse by companies. Without enough people for full revolution the only hope is to stop paying taxes. I have a job where I write off enough to not pay taxes. I refuse to have a job that makes me pay taxes.
heatohio 4 years ago
I think you're wearing your HC kid beanie hat too tight again because you SIMPLY DIDN'T GET IT ; and I would elaborate more on precisely what I meant but you're shady enough as it is. I know when to master my pride and ego; so if you cant grasp what I mean then you're on your own.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
The only animal rights group I belong to is my own and we are completely legal. I have no worries about infiltration. (Not that I would be happy about being infiltrated) I found out that I was watched since '93, so my open support for direct action is raising no new red flags. Plus it is no secret about what I was arrested for, so talking about that is no big deal.
heatohio 4 years ago
one more thing.
up some vegan reich and naj one thing if you have.
fidapeste 4 years ago
I had a vegan reich tape from their reunion show they played with Burn It Down and Birthright, but it was stolen sadly.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude,very great up.
this band was amazing.
thank very much.
very rare video.
fidapeste 4 years ago
Also, how were you so smart to figure out that I'm an FBI agent? Please don't tell any animal rights activists about me. Good thing for me you don't actually communicate with real activists nor do you know any real activists. Watch out or I might bust you for being an cyber revolutionary.
heatohio 4 years ago
I'm sure whatever animal rights unit you work for has been thoroughly infiltrated by FBI anyways; the way you self promote yourself in a discussion about homosexuality indicates a clear deliberate "fishing" tactic the FBI has been known to use; people like you are all over. no wonder the most you have done is merely a few thousand in damages. and the AL movement in N.America have done a measly 40 Mill you need to learn from your European and South American counterparts how things are done.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You don't need to explain the defenition of subsudizing a company. I'm a 16 year activist that has done more public speaking on these matters then you have done speaking to real people. (Seeing as how most of your communication is done over the internet) The governmental subsidizing of industries have nothing to do with that lack of impact direct action has on it. It is really sad that you don't know that. If Wikipedia does not say it, then you will never know it.
heatohio 4 years ago
It HAS plenty to do with it; instead of demolishing infrastructure which would affect the governments fiscal budget you just let the government reinvest it's inflated revenue. You're a SHITTY direct action planner and thats why you were caught. It's people like you who mess things up for everybody.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You are really the funniest person I have ever talked too. How can it be name dropping if you name some artists that you listen too? I'm not sure that you know the defenition of most of these words that you use.
heatohio 4 years ago
Well considering that I didn't ask you what Hip Hop groups you listened to it was obvious you were trying hard to not look like a Hardcore kid cliche' because I called you on your apparent physical appearance which mimics those characteristics. You ended up doing the opposite. Keep making yourself look phoney.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
If anything you fit the mold of a typical hardcore kid a hell of a lot more then I do. Maybe if this were still '92 you would be able to say that I looked the part, but even back then I had my own way of thinking. I did not know one hardcore kid that was with me against the first Iraqi war. No sXe kids were with me when I publicly burnt a US flag at the age of 13 in protest of that war. In fact when I went to shows nobody really talked about it much or knew much about it.
heatohio 4 years ago
LOL yeah you're such a rebel with your ADIDAS Pull Over and beanie hat ..by the way doesn't ADIDAS run sweatshops? See what did I tell you about single issue causes? So much for the revolution.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I would love to know how a mink farm raid helps the fur industry. I know that you realize that you are full of shit but you have to say anything to make yourself feel better for being completely inactive. All of the true activists have real work to do, you people have a lot of crying to do. So lets let myself get back to the real work and I'll put you in charge of internet fighting. See, we both have our jobs to do.
heatohio 4 years ago
Well see most farms whether fur farms or agricultural get special state and federal subsidies; this is a government practice to help ensure they're economically viable. This lowers their bottom line and increases their profit. By just attacking a farm and not infrastructure of the industry itself you help increase funding to ensure other fur farms prosper now that these fur farms are out of operation.
This is why you single issued Fashioncore kids have only done 40 Mil in damages; PEANUTS.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I am extremely active in more causes then you even knew existed. I am a gambling man and would be willing to bet any amount of money that you are not the least bit active. All people like you do is claim that nothing works, make fun of what people try to accomplish, all the while sitting on your fat ass in front of your computer. You are what us real activists call a coffee shop revolutionary.
heatohio 4 years ago
Well see the difference between you and I is I know an FBI informant when I sense one. So My ego isn't as heavily inflated as yours where that iitch for self validation will drive mt to say anything. But since I know you're an informant I'll say "Yes I'm inactive". Now quit trying to get me to implicate myself in anything My Federal Informant Friend. Your "psych" tactics don't work here.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You are officially crazy. You have no legit arguments to make so you throw names and accusations around. I'm not quite sure how a knit hat and an Adidas pull over is "hardcore kid fashion" I'm not a "hardcore kid". I liked the music because it sang about what I am into. Just like I listen to Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, Jurassic 5 and any other music that has a messgae behind it.
heatohio 4 years ago
Yeah yeah whatever you say Fashioncore kid; funny how you name drop the ONLY Hip Hop groups that are only appealing to HC kids. Nevermind Hip Hop artists like Oracle or The Arsonists. Yeah stay to your little pseudo revolutionary ADIDAS wearing self aggrandizing activism Mister Informant.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
How have I concentrated on any singel issue? So far we have talked about AL, abortion and gays. Single means one, so far there have been 3 issues. I suggest you spend more time learning the meaning of simple words instead of googling defenitions of big words you can try to use to disguise your true ignorance of issues you claim to know about. Get a life, you are not doing any good for anyone so do us all a favor and kill yourself.
heatohio 4 years ago
Mentioning an issue DOES NOT suffice for Being a Multi Issue Cause moron. Your ONLY claim of "self sacrifice" is an event where you actually ended up indirectly helping the Fur Industry. AGAIN you show your debating weakness by diverting into vocabulary the irony is you use about the same level of vocabulary that I do so you're both a hypocrite and making excuses. Your Chokehold record didn't teach you how to do proper direct action.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
If you were even informed about mink farm raids you would know that A. the mink are not sought after by animal control and B. it is more about money and future animals' lives. The mink farm raid I was convicted of raiding shut down becuause of the attack. That is more for animals then you will ever do with your crying and moaning.
heatohio 4 years ago
Yeah most of which are recaptured and/or killed plus and you indirectly helped other fur farms get bigger federal grants. Thats why all phonies like you ever did was cause a MEASLY few thousand dollars in damages while other militant action groups have created Billions in damages. So thanks for helping the government take it's already inflated revenue and lend it for more greed. I'm all for direct action, but direct action done EFFECTIVELY.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I am extremely defensive by simply defending myself? Think what you want but everyone involved in the AL movement knows that I'm legit. They would not even know who you are becuase you are not involved in the AL movement.
heatohio 4 years ago
You're extremely defensive by trying to defend something that SHOULDN'T NEED a defense; the secure activist would have said "think what you want" way before this point. The problem is that the North American AL movement has been heavily infilitrated by FBI which is why no serious achievement has been done in years. We have you to thank for that. No keep posing for network news cameras with your Hardcore kid fashion clothes Mr. Informant.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
One thing that proves that you're a sheep is that you believe and follow everything that hardline says. I'm open enough where I'm considered way to militant and non PC to be welcomed into the wimpy AL people and I'm to smart to be accepted by fascist "activists" like you. I hate to use the word activist with kids like you because you don't actually do anything besides bitch. Every hardline kid has been more worried about concerts then activism. Fuck you, you fake ass bitch.
heatohio 4 years ago
Thats ur straw man argument to assume I am/was HL; Hardline was 100% or nothing. I may agree 95% with HL but not 100%. I hate to break it to you but u r the PC Wimp AL people. What you think vandalism and setting animals out only to get put down by animal control units is ACTVISM? What have you done to STOP those animals from being there in the first place. As u said b4 People tend to project their short comings on to others; ur definately an example of that.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Furthermore, you call me single issued because I'm not stupid enough to hate gays. I forgot, you don't hate gays you just know in your little brain that they are unnatural. Actually I work with a lot of worthwhile causes. One of which is anti war/government causes. You would like this government though considering the factg that you're a fascist like them.
heatohio 4 years ago
You're single issued because you seem to concentrate on single issues. You are narrow minded and above all myopic. In fact even though you accuse me of being a Hardliner, one reason I never joined Hardline was because MOST of them came from the same culturally priveleged background and had the same psychology that you do- that is thinking little suburbanite angst filled activities like vandalism and arson equates= Direct Action. if you think thats "militancy" then you're just a light weight.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You really are a pathetic little boy. It is so funny that you have no argument based on real fact or logic so you turn to calling me privilaged and a FBI informant and use oversized words to mask your ignorance on the subject.
heatohio 4 years ago
See I know what I say has at least SOME weight because you start becoming extremely defensive about it when I mention it. You show all the typical patterns of FBI informants, they're usually as careless as you are act EXTRA loud about their "activities" even if it holds little relevance. And as I explained since you're born from the CULTURAL MAINSTREAM and not a minority, u are priveleged since you're not oppressed to the degree of minorities and have the socio-cultural safety net.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Finally, what this all started about. You say that there is no scientific proof that people are born gay. You claim that it is a result of an unnatural world we live in. You ignore the fact there are gay members of every mammal species, species that live in perfectly natural surroundings. Fuck you religious zelots. Someday when you grow up you'll learn what an ass you were a little child.
heatohio 4 years ago
Yes and I still hold to what I say; even your "Swan" example had loopholes anyone who studied Zoology could tell you. Your claims of what constitutes gay members have been debunked long time ago; its only the naive and people who have a political agenda who hold on to such out dated Quasi-Kinseyan conclusions. Everything from Bonobo Genital rubbing to Dogs Raping Dogs have been attributed to other motives besides sexual attraction or sex drive.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Your ignorance further shows by assuming that "natural surroundings" necessarily means "natural behavior". Man Made Electro-Magnetic radiation permeates the entire globe and have proven affects on animal behavior. Your shallow "single cause" approach is why your ALF buddies have failed in making any difference. You can call me names all you want, at least I'll never be a sell out FBI informant like you.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Secondly, you still claim that my motivation is ego simply because you can not comprehend that someone does something for a non selfish reason. It is very common for humans to reflect our own shortcomings onto others. You are a perfect example of that. I talk about my arrest because it helps others. People can learn from it and I'm all about helping others.
heatohio 4 years ago
Wrong; a person who does something for an unselfish reason doesn't advertise themselves or their activities past, present or future unless its NECESSARY. When you're in a direct action discussion group then yes then discuss things to educate; BUT here it was totally irrelevant. Yeah you're right its common to reflect short comings on others so what you claim about me is REALLY about yourself.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Before I get away from this idiotic argument I must respond to a couple of things. Damn I think I've lost brain cells talking with an idiot like you. Oh well, luckily have plenty to spare. You brought up my "advantaged upbringing". Your sorry ass assumes that I'm from an advantaged lifestyle just becuase you are. To let you know, my father is homeless and I've worked for years for everything that I have.
heatohio 4 years ago
You never had many brain cells to begin with so don't use me as a scapegoat just because you fail to hold a strong argument. You're from a priveleged upbringing after all regardless of what you claim you're from the cultural mainstream. Even if you're poor you're still on the fringe of it. if you think being arrested and going to a comfy prion makes you an "activist" then you really don't know jack sh*t.
Probably an FBI informant now anyways.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I must get back to my real life now. Play time is over. Himunholy, I suggest you leave this peice of shit alone. He is a sheep that will follow what his group tells him to. By the way, rap is a predominatly black thing. They started it as a way to express themselves and to tell what goes on in their lives. Just because there are white hip hop artists does not change it roots.
heatohio 4 years ago
Yeah leave with the last bit of TYPE-A Personality Narcissism and reassure yourself by making a "third man" response. Rap maybe "predominantly" black but not CHARACTERISTICALLY black; figures a TYPE A narcissist who suffers Megalomania will be a RACIST FUCK WIT at that. And you call others sheep yet regurgitate the typical Racial Concepts of your sheltered priveleged upbringing.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Maybe you are not aware of what being caught means. There are many of us, Rod Coronado, myself, Keith Mann, Darren Thurston and many others who speak about our experiences. Ego has nothing to do with it, education about direct action from those that can openly talk about it. The FBI had a file on me since '93, I'm no stranger to them. If you search ALF news the first video is a news story that someone posted with me in it. Just like it has other activists.
heatohio 4 years ago
Yeah yeah ...You're what I call a "Rock Star" Activist. Type-A Narcissistic Personality syndrome. You're probably an informant now and for this reason I shall desist speaking to you.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I fucked up in my last post. I began to say that if abortion was outlawed the rich would still have access to abortions while the poor are shit out of luck. Abortion is a horrible thing, I can see the big picture though, while people like you look at life through a narrow tube.
heatohio 4 years ago
Yeah ok; You are really confused first you try and argue in terms of class issues and when that fails you jump back to the general condition of abortion. Your "big picture" consists of you standing in the mirror every day stroking your failed sense of self esteem.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Abortion is used by the rich to regulate the poor???? Do you realize that just as many rich white teenage girls are getting abortions, it is just not in the public offices like the poor are forced to go to? If abortion was outlawed the rich. You are really uneducated about your issues. For being such an activist you really are on youtube a lot arguing with people. I've had a couple slow days in my life, you must have a slow year. Get a fucking life you wanna be revolutionary.
heatohio 4 years ago
The rich use abortions to erase the consequences of their indulgence; but abortion in respects to the poor is a sociio-political tool to assault minority communities. If you speak of a "classist" interpretation of the abortion issue thats the underlying reality. Nice way to straw man argument; use the "class" struggle approach and then when I do the same jump around back to abortion in the general population. Looks like calling you out on being a phoney ALF member really struck a nerve. LOL
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I don't brag about being involved in direct action, I'm a convicted activist. That means that I was caught and convicted, meaning there is no fucking secret. Just like other former ALF activists do, I try to educate people about direct action since I can openly talk about my experiences.
heatohio 4 years ago
You WERE just bragging. A militant should never ever discuss any activity they do done because that risks possibility of investigation. Such an act could put entire CELLS at risk or any other activists they're in contact with. ESPECIALLY in this Patriot Act error where FBI has free pickings. ALWAYS work clandestinely no matter how much YOUR EGO itches to get recognized, if you really are in the ALF you proved you aren't doing this for animals you do it for your own VANITY ; Pathetic.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
The sad thing is that you have this idea of me that makes me opposite of what you are. I'm against the blind hatred of gays so I must be a certain way. In reality I'm a militant vegan activist, and a convicted ALF activist. I hate polital correctness and have done speeches about the need of violence in our movement. I am just smart enough to make up my own mind of issues, unlike you who needs to be told what to think.
heatohio 4 years ago
Ok dimwit lets make things clear:I DON'T HATE HOMOSEXUALS; I do however view their behavior an abnormality. I think such people need to be helped and treated. You're not a Militant Vegan Activist nor are you an ALF activist; wanna know why? Because NO MORON WOULD JEORPORDIZE DIRECT ACTION activity by announcing themselves on a widely monitored website. First rule of militancy/ or any direct action. STAY AS CLANDESTINE AS POSSIBLE. You broke rule #1 REAL SMART(sarcasm)
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
if you really had your own mind you wouldn't base your beliefs on logical fallacies. Nor would you do something as DUMB as claim you're involved in direct action. True Seekers of Justice don't Stoke for bragging rights ....fraud.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I'm not sure what pro gay is. I'm can think for myself and don't need some religious nut from Cali to tell me how to think. I'm not anti gay, if that makes me pro gay then so be it. As for abortion, I'm against it. Though I do realize that outlawing it would only effect the poor, so it is a class issue not just an abortion issue.
heatohio 4 years ago
Yeah you can think for yourself but Your Arguments have Logical Loop Holes and Scientific Fallacies right? You're a JOKE and anyone who has any semblance of intelligence would see that the only reason you're crying about what vocabulary I use is because your argument is WEAK.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Abortion hurts the poor? Abortion is a weapon used against the poor; since most of the poor are minorities abortion services ensure that minority populations are controlled so the "upper classes" can regulate authority on minority populations. For someone who thinks for themselves you're pretty misinformed. What else can we expect from someone who pretends they're in the ALF.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Only a weak minded fool will turn try to impress someone with a shallow vocabulary. In debating, public speaking or any form of communication it is a sign of inferior intelligence to use colorful words, there is an exact name for that but I can't think of it right now.
heatohio 4 years ago
Only a weak minded fool highlights vocabulary as an arguing point when they cant debate the subject matter within it. In debating, public speaking or any form of communication its a sign logical weakness when one has to stray the debate on to vocabulary. The word you're looking for is "verbose" you piss ant.
Only people who can't hold a strong debate use the vocabulary scapegoat.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
What a shock that you are muslim, that is what Sean turned into and told everyone else to be. Muslims are just as trained as christians, they still believe some guy was born from a virgin (a story stolen from paganism). I never said Memphis was the Hardline headquarters, I said it turned into the capital. Indianapolis never had a huge Hardline group, even when Vangaurd was coming out of there.
heatohio 4 years ago
But buddy there's a difference I'm from a Muslim background already. I appreciated Hardline ideals because they're already so much like Islam. So what if they believe in a virgin birth? Just because you're brainwashed by your dogma to think that Reality is bound by your five senses doesn't mean truths don't exist beyond it. You're more conditioned and trained than you claim others to be. Capital and HQ are used as synonyms so shove your semantics back down your wannabe ALF throat.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Go try to use your oversized words on someone who is impressed by it. Content is what really matters. I have done public speaking for years and know that you never get through to anyone trying to sound smarter then them. Which you clearly are not. You are just like all the other hardline kids from way back when, all talk and no action. .
heatohio 4 years ago
Only a weak minded fool needs to avert a debate and whine about word choice. You have been disproven and debunked on all your scientific fallacies and your only response is to spew the same sentimental ignorance you did before. I highly doubt you do public speaking because if words beyond two syllables constitutes "oversized" you're probably a knit wit. You spoke errors and I debunked them; deal with it. You failed debating Hardliners and you'll fail debating me as well.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You are vegan, against abortion, don't smoke, drink, ect. are against gays. You use the word Eden every chance you get when arguing for veganism. Use biblical references when you have never read the bibal. Have friends in Memphis (Actually you were not around when Memphis was the Hardline capital)
heatohio 4 years ago
Wow amazing you've concluded the most generic traits of anyone Vegan and Drug free regardless of being Hardline or not. You're clever? Except one problem I am Muslim not Christian so no Biblical quotes here.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Ok now let me debunk your stupidity and ignorance about Hardline. #1 Hardline doesn't EXIST anymore as a Movement. #2 Memphis wasn't Hardline HQ; Memphis was where the First Hardline gathering was.#3 Hardline had no HQ except towards the End it's main Mailing address was Cinncinnati,but Ryan in Indiapolis took over in publishing Vanguard. Believe me twirp I'm not as "new" to things as you FOOL yourself into thinking I am.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I made a comment about hardline becuase you clearly were a misguided person who fell into hardline beliefes. People like you are not true, you found something you thought was cool and went head first into it. I bet I can name every single thing you believe in.
heatohio 4 years ago
You made a comment about Hardline because you hold an obvious sore spot about them. You call me misguided yet you're the one who speaks out of ignorance. Let me guess you're Pro choice, Pro Gay, think morality is "relative" and you're probably an atheist or agnostic who whines about religion, claim you hate the status quo BUT WANT Laws protecting homosexuals? How close am I?
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You can use a whole paragraph of big words and it will never change the fact that there is nothing morally wrong with someone who is gay. I know many gay people that do, and have done more for animal liberation than you could ever imagine doing. Sorry to break it to you but I don't collect chokehold records. I, unlike yourself, did not get into political activism because of hardcore. I got into hardcore becuase it spoke about what I believed in.
heatohio 4 years ago
Thats it? When you have your ridiculous "Swan" example debunked you recycle the same subjective remarks. The argument was whether homosexuality is natural. You have not shown one example which conclusively demonstrates it's an inborn physiological disposition to engage in homosexuality. If Glorify one form of social decadence in exchange for another, then they haven't accomplished much as they help perpetuate the very system which cause injustice to animals.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
It is a FACT that numerous animals become life long partners with the same sex and have more same sex encounters then opposiste sex ones. Homosexuality is as natural as any other natural urge. Brainwashed right wingers like yourself claim to be for liberation when you speak the same bullshit that societies' status quo spits out.
heatohio 4 years ago
HeatOhio biologists have long since debunked the idea of other species engaging in homosexual behavior. What homosexual activists try and interpret as homosexual pairing is often simply social habit(bonobos genital patting) or acts of physical aggression(quadrupeds raping quadrupeds. It's brainwashed Homosexual activists who think that any alleged companionship between the same gender in other species concludes homosexuality.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
You already proved you own argument false by saying that Swans seek the opposite gender during mating season. This is an inborn physiological drive; which means "same gender pairing" is not a natural inclination even in Swans. As the other knit wit pointed out There are Laws favoring homosexuals and Mainstream Media Has Television programming which lends Sanction to Homosexual behavior. So it's homosexuality which is a product of the Status Quo not the critics of it.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Listen Mahmood, let me first state that I don't dwell on Hardline. I'm not sure where you came up with that. I said that I have argued with idiots like yourself for many years. Probably since you were still sucking on a bottle. Sadly a new age of hardline has popped up. And it is really sad when someone lacks confidence in themselves so much that they turn to useing colorfull words to try to make themselves sound smarter then they actually are.
heatohio 4 years ago
You got involved with the discussion and made remarks about Hardline; clearly you dwell about Hardline you said it yourself you used to "debate" Hardliners in the 90's. Why drop such an anecdote if it didn't dwell inside you? I'm a year older than you. You weren't even a zygote when I was born.Want to know whats sad? When someone feels so inferior about themselves can't hold a valid argument and whines about someone's vocabulary as a diversion.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Suburbanite version of anarchy????? Please know who you are tallking to before you spew out your comments. My arguement is not at all irrelevent. I had the same arguement with "hardliners" back in the early 90's and continue to have it with the very very few of you asses that still exist. The problem is that new kids like yourself will continue to get into this distorted christian based view of the world. Educate yourself then come and talk to adults.
heatohio 4 years ago
Your argument is irrelevant for many reasons; firstly the sexual reproduction cycles of two species are incongruent for obvious anatomical/physiological reasons. Secondly the pattern of social behavior is significantly distinct between humans and birds. You accuse me of "Christian Views" yet show a ridiculous level of scientific ignorance. So instead of sounding like a bluthering peon; take your own advice and educate YOURSELF before claiming to be an adult.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Lastly I want to clarify that I am not Hardline nor was I ever Hardline; I admit I have many common beliefs that Hardline does however to be Hardline it's all or nothing. The fact idiots like you are still whining and crying over a movement which ended nearly 10 years ago just shows you have some bitterness of being incapable of ideologically refuting it's ideas. ...My Second advice is get over it and go back to collecting Chokehold records.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
thank god 4 smart ppl like u, u tell that fucker spewing his ignorant hate
himunholy 4 years ago
Yeah everyone who believes that Swans mating with females to produce offspring(a physiological motive) but has a non-sexual companionship with a male swan, really has a clue about what they're talking about.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
I see stupid ass hardline kids are still talking about gay people. This is the reason that Hardline was always hated. The fact is that EVERY SINGLE species of animal has homosexual members. The black swan will mate for life with the same sex often times breeding with a female and then raising the offspring with another male swan. Get a fucking clue. Worry about animal liberation not a gay person.
heatohio 4 years ago
Not only is your argument irrelevant to human sexuality it's completely false. Firstly Male Swans don't have clocae so they so males cannot and do not mate with other males; their "pairing" is strictly platonic. Secondly Swan breeding is seasonal; which reinforces that the "sexual" context is social and not physio-biological. Next time do some better research before speaking or stick to your Sanitized Suburbanite version of Anarchy.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
Why? Because it interrupts the natural flow of life as life continues through cycles. Who does it hurt? everyone.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
And lastly if they're so obsessed with rights y did they want 2 make animals equals 2 humans and ignore the gay community? once more HYPOCRISY and ignorance, i think ur the one with the diluted sense of the world
himunholy 4 years ago
They didnt want to make animals equal to human moron. They wanted animal lives to hold the same sanctity a human life has. Animals are exploited and killed in such insane ways all just to satiate pleasure. See what I mean? This is what I was saying earlier in my first post ..I knew you were dense and you wouldn't get it. ...we're through here.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
so i guess animals deserve 2 not b slaughtered and YES THEY DID WANT ANIMALS 2 B NO LESS EQUAL THAN HUMANS, while they say gays r less than human, I'm all for animal rights and everything but saying that gays r unnatural or less than human is fucking retarded and ignorant, so piss off u homophobic cunt i think ur the dumb dense motherfucker hereu dont seem 2 understand simple things i wonder how u manage 2 get along in the world...
himunholy 4 years ago
Please stop acting as if you know what you're talking about. I have evert issue of Vanguard not one states animals should be equal to humans. I dont care WHAT you think; you're clearly irrational and deluded. Unless you can prove that there is an inborn tendency for homosexual behavior then HOMOSEXUALITY IS UNNATURAL...thats just the Facts ..DEAL WITH MY WHINEY DIMWITTED FRIEND.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
umm ok i can prove itthe way they r born, i did happen 2 ask my friend James (WHO IS GAY!!!!!) and he's known since he wuz 3 that he wuz gay so u wanna tell me that he is unnatural u obviously don't kno shit, do u honestly think that they would choose 2 b sumthing that is discriminated every fucking day of their life? think about it u dumb fuck, and as 4 this conversation, it's going nowhere really fast ur dumb fucking ignorant view on ppl is really pissing me off, so piss off! I'm done
himunholy 4 years ago
Thats not proof you dimwit, thats an anecdotal reference; your friend is clearly lying, because the body does promote sex hormones at age 3; this is a physiological fact. If homosexuality is "descriminated" against then why are there shows like Queer Eye, Will and Grace? When you have popular culture condoning the behavior, you're not descriminated against.your lack of sound rational argument not "well my best friend .." is proof that you're a dimwit. Good bye.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
umm he said he wuz gay when he wuz 5 when i met him u stupid twat, AND R U FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?!! DID U JUST SAY GAYS AREN'T DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?!?!?!?! THAT proves u r a retard here answer me this if gays aren't discriminated against then y r there gay bashes? HMMMM!?!?! y r there laws that keep them from being treated equal 2 straight ppl
himunholy 4 years ago
Most 5 year olds don't have a concrete concept of sexuality; Which leads me to conclude you're lying. Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything anyways, try something which can't be made up and fabricated and can be referenced. You just proved that gays aren't discriminated against by showing mainstream laws speak in their favor. Way to go dimwit? Next you're gonna be petitioning for NAMBLA. Condemning people who engage in a behavior is not discrimination.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
he said in these exact words " I LIKE BOYS" his exact words when he wuz 5, and have u ever heard stories of men who want 2 become women? those closest to them have said that at early ages not much older than my friend they knew who they were and grew up with it, so if u want to ignore facts and experiances that ppl have had, and as for NAMBLA i don't stand up 4 them b cuz they're actually doing sumthing illegal, its illegal 2 fuck little boys under 18 there r actually laws against that behavior
himunholy 4 years ago
LOL Many 5 year old boys say things like "boys are cooler I like boys more than girls cuz girls are gross." YOU keep trying to dig yourself out of a hole but fall back into it. STOP using "anecdotal" stories; they prove JACK SHIT. Oh my God ; you're such an idiot. I dont think we need to carry this further. Tell me when all the air is decompressed from your head.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
umm he said "I LIKE BOYS" everyday since I've met him, and if that isn't proof that he has known that he wuz gay since he ur fucking blind
himunholy 4 years ago
LOL Oh ok keep adding to the story? If what you're saying is true sounds like your friend was brainwashed into a homosexual lifestyle coming from countless years of abuse. This has actually be documented in psychological profiles of many homosexuals. Which reinforces my claim that homosexuals need to be HELPED and treated.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
but marriage isn't illegal, actually its a basic human right so denying it isn't just hateful it's down right moronic
himunholy 4 years ago
LOL ...yes its a basic human right if you seek to be with your natural sexual counterpart as this is what marriage was established upon. Marriage came into existence to identify and protect family. Therefore it's unless it's done in the "natural" context its not a natural "human right".
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
who r u 2 say homosexuality is unnatural? r u a scientist that has done years of research? I myself however have history on my side 2 prove that its natural it's been going on 4 millions of years, it presents itself in animals, and in most civilizations before ours it wuz accepted, not 2 say everything from past civilizations r accepted nowadays
himunholy 4 years ago
I'm to say this because I have searched and searched and I have found NOT ONE scientific evidence NOT EVEN ONE which concretely demonstrates or claims homosexuality is inborn. Until we can find UNEQUIVOCAL evidence then your belief has no basis. You have "history" on your side? In History there have been Rapes So because rapes happened in History it means its natural? You dimwit ..bet you didn't see that one coming did you?
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
, until u said that i had a tiny little shred of respect 4 u 4 standing up 4 wut u believe in, but now I can c that ur just another ignorant twat who hates gays
himunholy 4 years ago
LOL Who said that your respect was worth jack shit? You're a knit wit so any respect coming from you would be an insult. You think I'm going to believe "my friend said he was gay at age 5" type stories? get real Let me clarify I don't hate gays ...I however do believe they suffer from severe mental and hormonal imbalances, and need treatment and help.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
ok wutever u just go do ur shit and hate while i go live a meaningful life trying to make the world a better place while u hold up progress through ur dumb ass homophobia
himunholy 4 years ago
yeah make a the world a better place trying to get validation from the status quo by enacting laws to sanction homosexuality. I see your game FIGHT the system by EMPOWERING the system ...yeah that will work you counter productibe moron.
Mahmood42978 4 years ago
if anyone here is "empowering the system" its u asshole, ur the one playing right into the so-called "system as u put it" ur doing exactly wut they want, "I don't hate gays ...I however do believe they suffer from severe mental and hormonal imbalances, and need treatment and help" look at the ignorance coming from ur mouth, hate mongerers like urself need the help
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