my friend has an icelandic-we use nosebands, and when she takes him to a dressage compotition she uses a more stronger bit. i ride him alot and the tolt is a natral gait of icelandics. these icelandice are at the worst, but this isn't the olny breed that is being abused,many horses around the world are being abused right now (i wish this didn't happen), but not all of them are icelandics. point is,icelandics aren't the only breed in the world that need help.but the riders are the ones to blame.
im from iceland you sound like you dont now nothing about icelandic horses , these pictures are taken when the horse is just moving his mouth or his head its not hurting him ! some horses do not like going on speed racking so they move their head up and down to release the contact , and you can see it in the horses eyes that most of the pictures that they are afraid , you would now this if you new anything about icelandics horses!
hm. I find it offending that you seem to say that ALL icelandic horse riders do this. I certainly do not, and i do agree with your point. But not all of us have heavy contact or tight nosebands. the noseband my horse has is as loose as it should be (2 fingers on top of each other between), and because i've ridden Western for 5 years, i hold the reins incredibly loosely. And i'm sure there's more proud owners of icelandics out there who dont use the "old" methods. cheers.
Thanks for posting...I noticed how uncomfortable the mouths looked on many of the icy videos- all those straps are, well, rather an advertisement for "Sadist on Board", there are plenty of loving owners who DON'T do this. What great little ponies!!
@1010nicole1010 you should know that some horses just really want to tölt all the time and there is nothing wrong with that, he was probobly not forced to harden his muscles and rase his neck high because thats what icelandic horses do when they tölt. And horses don't open their mouths just when theres something wrong, my best friend has a horse that doesthis sometimes and she doesn't have any rein contact we only use sounds to controle our horses so that couldn't be it.
I am SHOCKED by all the negative comments. If you need to zip a horse's mouth closed with a figure eight noseband to keep him from evading the bit, YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR HANDS.
it's so true!! I live in Iceland but I'm from Poland and here is really heavy contact!! It's really sad I think but these horses can't ride with soft contact. I want buy young icelandic horse and show icelandics that they can ride ,,normal"... and this noseband is horrible!
most ponys open there mouth when they are relaxed! myn sertainly does and the tack they are using is different to the standard english tack, plus if the ponie resists and the rider blocks with the hand then the contact is going to get shorter but that is the ponies fault not the riders! but i do agree that some bits are too big although they are usually used on the stallions
Tack is just tack. Bridle, bit, noseband, flash, martingale...it is all just leather that was originally created to aid in the act of horseback riding. The tack is neither good nor evil. It is the people who misuse the tack that are wrong. It is people who use it to hinder their horses rather than help. Don't blame the tack for human ignorance and cruelty. Though personally for the record, I prefer riding at liberty.
Most of the pics are only seconds and so I dont think you can say that THIS is the normal way how you ride the horses AND this is not only the fact with Icelandic horses. I do know some of the riders and if you would really know them too you would see that they are riding very very fine! If is this is such a pain, why can this horses be content? Yes, of course there are ruogh people.. but I do really not agree with that vid!
If you have to use a noseband to keep the horse from putting his tongue over the bit, try a different bit and making sure it's adjusted properly on the bridle. Some nosebands are purely for the purpose of keeping a horse's mouth shut, some are just part of the bridle. Personally, when I ride with an English headstall, the noseband is fastened with enough room that I can fit 2 fingertips between it and the horse's jaw comfortably. Any tighter tends to rub the hair off of the horse's face.
i think that some of these ponies are as poor as the hyperflexion ridden dressage und jumpping horses. i have often seen icelands that were ridden with only 10 cm long reins supposed to keep their head unnormal high with hardening their muscels in their backs just for doing "tölt". i have once ridden one that wasn´t able to do normal trot. it took several month until he understod that he was allowed to relax and to strech under the rider.
Nobody wants their horse to keep the head up, it is actually given extra points in contests if the horse har a bent neck and nose down, thereby bearing his back better and the rider, being relaxed, flexible and comfortable.. I don't know where you've ridden, but they clearly knew little.
Nosebands are fine, only if used for the right thing. ya, you might use it to keep everything in place, but many others use them so the horse cant open its mouth and show its pain.
iæm a litle bit agree, and a litle bit not agree.. I don't like heavy contacts, and tights noseband, but you have maybe put it in a litle bit wrong light?
But, a big yes to, i have see some horses who didn't should been ridden as they been.. But is nott only icelandics riders who use this metodes.!! (Sorry bad English)
wait whats wrong with noseband? i put it on so my horse wornt get her head gears off in a sec. or that the bite will sit on the side of her. and there are SOOO many kinds of nose bands.
and at competions they actully do check your gears and the horse.
I don't see a good reason for a noseband-the dressage bridles often have them, but my horse didn't like it so I took it off--happy horse, happy rider. If control is needed, try a stronger bit than a snaffle. Less pull is needed, and at some point, (for my horse, within one ride) the horse listens better to avoid bit action, so light hands are possible.
They support the horses head, and they make it so the horse cannot put their tounge over the bit which make the rider lose control completely causing MUCH pulling on the mouth. So if you have a problem with pulling on the mouth.... try a noseband!!!!
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG ABOUT THE WAY WE RIDE! AND NO WE DONT ABUSE OUR HORSES! it happens that some peoble put it too thight but it only happens like once inn a milion! so dont you ever dare to tell me that i abuse my horse by puting a peace of rein on him and showing tölt on him!!
we need the noseband other wise out rein will fall off it can atleast we use it to save,once i put only the rein on my horse and guess what he just moved his head and it fell of with me -.-
that position is normal for that style of riding, the horses neck muscles have been exercised so that its comfortable to have their neck arched like that, just like American trot racing horses
If you ride without a noseband, the bits can come into the horses mouth. The noseband keeps the bits in the mouth. But i agree with you. If you are in controle with you horse, you wouldent need it.
this video is so dumb. these pics are just at bad moments. the horse can move his mouth. the band on the horse's nose is thigten really lightly. STUPID......
So many bad moments in time! Why use a noseband? If the bits fit, the horses wouldn't have a problem with it; if the riders didn't use such force, the horses wouldn't show any problem behavior.
I got anicelandic horse who was very strong and difficult in the beginning but know i can ride here whithout a saddle and no bit, anything. And i just ride whith my legs and my voice..;) i do also natural horsemanship with tricks. i think you can more whit youre horse when you do it friendly. Sometimes i ride whit a saddle for my dressage lessons;)
This video is dumb. first, your pics aren't legit, two you have no idea what you are talk about. if you knew anything you wouldn't have chosen a topic that doesn't exist....Icelandics? seriously you think they are the only ones who use "caveson", which by the way is the actual name for a nose band....STUPID VIDEO
allthough you think it is dumb, it is true, all these picutrs show horses, way to, i dunno how it is called in proper english way beyond the vertical point in both ways, to far down as well as way to far up, the poor horses head. and the fuckin riders pulling like hell on the reigns. well if you do not have any other problem with this video as you write the non proper english of the one who put it here, there is something damn wrong in your head!!!then it is you who is dumb and ignorant!
Well. Let's take a couple of random pictures out of context and use them as rhetorical proof for exaggerating and demonising certain procedures. I'm sorry, but that's what you are doing now - you do not need to admit as it's pretty obvious.
It's ironic to advocate strictly "natural" horsemanship. Horseback riding etc. itself is not natural. Plus - we, humans, definitely haven't lived naturally during the last thousands of years.
Not that I don't care for horses. I just try to be reasonable.
well of course we didnt live in nice coexistenz with nature, doesnt mean, that we should treat animals bad, of course riding is not natural in some way,but as soon as humans came in the picutre horses got ridden. but you can do it nicely with your horse, you might ride it one hour a day and it can live happily in a herd with horse, like mine does , the other 23 hours.the video was posted i guess to wake up people. i know iceland poinies ridden nice and relaxed not open jaws and blue tongues!
These horses are not in pain! They are chewing, that is good!!! If you want to show someone hurting an Icelandic horse I think you should look at your video: What gait/ Nanna 3, Icelandic horse. Riding on such hard ground with no hoof-shoes! Im sorry but looking at that is torture, the gait is LULL a.k.a piggy pace and the horse walks just like it is in pain, I think you should have it's hoofs looked at.
Millions of horses in the word go barefoot, and do well. Caring owners don't run them on hard ground. Horses are made barefoot. Why put them in shoes when they start riding on the same ground if they don't have shoes for years when they are not ridden. Doesn't make sense.
I know a fjordowner who had bought a fjord from denmark and was surprised when the horse arrived WITHOUT shoes. She almost went and put shoes on the fjord, but her daughter suggested asking from about if from a person specialized with "barefeet" horses. She said the feet were really strong and in great condition, and that if the horse has been ridden barefeet all it´s life without negative side-effects, why put shoes then? :) still today, this fjord is barefooted ^ ^
omg! this is pathetic! those horses is is just chewing at the bit! And they should do that! and often it is the horses fault, because they drag in the bit and drag their heds down, if you say that the peoples is so ugly to the horses, why is the horses so happy wen they is allowed to go for a walk??????????? i think you should delete this video!
OMG!!!!! You have no idea of what you are talking about!!!! We DON'T hurt the icelandic horses! I have an icelandic and he is FINE!!!! Those photos are taking at competition! The judges would have disqualified the rider if it had hurt the horse..!!!!!
at 2:39 there is a horse which, according to icehorses, has a noseband which is too tight. In fact, this horse is sneezing of content. You can't take just some pictures of the internet if you do not know what is really happening on the picture. In this way you get a lot of misunderstandings.
The Icelandic Horse has been the friend of all Icelandic people for many, many centuries. You insult these people if you say their way of riding the Icelandic Horse as friendly as possible is not friendly enough.
someone has missunderstod this thing! Someone maby not are so good whith there horses, but making movies like this is absurd! Please stop. And did you think Natrual Horsemanship are better than other "things" ? think again! I am still waiting for some people who can find the way in the golden middleway of all this metodes to use horses. But people are only thinking at one thing; Fasshion!
It's definitely not a problem for me. And if the articles (to the right), under the video description, are read, it will be shown that many people have concerns over the riding style and it's affect on the horse.
The bits in the video are icelandic bits and that are very horse friendly bits.
I have heard that from a trainer that had studied on Hólar on Iceland that's a college for riders who want to become an icelandichorse trainer. It's a good bit if you know how to used it.
About the head tossing, what you mean is trying to bend the neck of the horse. This is to prevent the horses of pushing out their neck. Also, this is very good for the back and the muscles of the horse. Also called dressage
friend. I've done some pat parelli with my own horses on the ground, it works very good, but to train your horse for competitions is also good for the horse.
If you dont train, your horse wil never become beter on the competitions or in enething else. Of course it is good to do some natural horsemanship with your horse, so you can get a good band with him. but if you train together and improve that wil make the band stronger between the horse and the rider.
there are no icelandic horses with pain in the country where I come from!! perhaps it is true in your country but not in my country. take a look at the tenesee walking horse, these horses have pain al the time even on the competitions
Let's try to stick to improving things with the Icelandic Horse and not trying to take the focus elsewhere. If there are no icelandics in your country doing head tossing, can you point us to the videos? Thanks!
All these pictures are taken at a competition. At competitions, the judges also look at the way of riding. If it is really animal cruelty, they disqualify the rider. Also, every time somebody is chosen to be checked at wounds on the mouth or anywhere on the body. If so, these riders are disqualified too!
How many red cards did they give last year? How many people disqualified? If the system were working, there would be no head tossing. The video is there for everyone to see. The head tossing continues, and no one does anything about it. It's up to the rider, the owner of the horse, to care about his horse. If he cared, his horse would not be head tossing.
There have been some cards, but not that much, because this is no animal cruelty! Don't you get it? This is not a problem, but you're making one of it!
PERHAPS the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. ~~Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776.
When we first got our iceys, we couldnt figure out what to do with the nose band - so we left it off - problem? no. Then I got a lindel for my gelding which solved the non nose band issue anyways since I not longer had a bit *smile* - all 3 iceys tolt, pace, etc without any special equipment - in fact I'm pretty sure thats why we bought "gaited" horses - because they gait, yes? without artificial aids or being "held in frame" - of course we dont compete - but .. well thats my two cents..
people who ride dressage or jumping behave exactly the same. Some horses do it themselves. If you want to make films about horse-abuse, have a look at the rodeo's!
I ride Icelandic Horses too, and I think, no, I *know* this way of riding Icelandic Horses is not used by everyone! In fact, there are only a few who ride like this. I go to a lot of IH competitions, but I have never seen this behavior before.
Even Parelli uses a "stick" -- it is considered an extension of your arm, and another tool for communication. It's unfortunate there isn't a euphemism for a dressage whip (like there is with "carrot stick") because the word "whip" carries an emotional charge. But just because it's called a "whip" doesn't mean it's used to beat the horses.
You may be overstepping with the "whip" comment--are there many videos where whips are used to whip the horse into a gait?
The whip with Icelandic Horses is a whip. It's not used as an extension or a carrot stick. It's a reminder to the horse that they need to be doing something with their body that they might not necessarily naturally do unless there is something there to back up the request.
Well, that's an interesting statement! Im Icelandic and we in Iceland DO NOT use our Dressage whips (which is the most common whip in iceland Today) to whip our horses!!! That is just insulting! We simply use it as an extension!
What *exactly* do you use the whips for? Why is an extension needed for a pony? Millions of horses are ridden without whips, extensions, sticks, wands, etc., and they do much more intricate work than Icelandic Horses. See these videos:
Pony!?! I have ridden an Icelandic horse that is 169hh.. Is that still a Pony??? Well, I can just as easily ask: Why is it needed on Horses? I Video 1,4: Stacy Westfall! Renee Coble. Great riding! But there are also riders doing this in Iceland: Mette Manseth and Happadís frá Stangarholti! Doing exactly the same thing! But is she also rides competitions. Im trying to find pic or videos to support this. Video 5: Nice! But I just don't get this spinning! Why do they spin? What is the purpose?
As I've said in other videos, even Parelli advocates riding with a stick as does Jane Savoie and even the Spanish Riding School in Vienna uses them at times. They're abused quite a lot in every discipline, I'm sure, but the mere presence of a whip/stick is in no way an implicit indication of punishment. At the shows I've been in, the whip is there to say "keep that shoulder in" "step under with THAT hind leg" and "use your rear end" etc. If I whacked my horse I'd end up in the next county.
If the hoses mouth is open, it dont have to be anything wrong! It could be a good sign that the horse is chewing with his/her mouth. And some horses do open their mouth without having any pain! Of course it is sad that people hurt their horses, but many of them in this video is NOT!
hahaha....this whole comment area is too funny.... IF any of you know about horses in general YOU WOULD know that horses are smart enough to know how to carry a frekin bit in thier mouth where it is comfortable. There for drop nose bands are for lazy ass people who wont take the time to let thier horse relax and figure it out on thier own. REGUARDLESS of breed!!!!
We use drop nosebands with our icelandic horses and they are not even done up tight. A lot of it is just a fashion and is causing the horse no pain or discomfort. Just because a noseband is there doesn't mean it is being used inapropriatly.
By the way nearly all people I know riding Icelandic horses use double Broken Waterbits and the "Kandarre" is an nice bit for peopel who know how to use it, because you can ride even more sensitive.But you have to know how to use this bit like every other demanding bit .
Im sorry I`ve there are any mistakes in my text, im not a native speaker!!
There is nothing wrong with these horses. If you knew anything about the icelandic horse you would know that.
I use nosebands on my horses and they are just fine with it and the "severe noseband" was specially made as a training tool for young horses so that it would not get in contact with the bit to hard.
Even a split second of the pressure these horses are feeling is too much. It is abuse. And it's not just the icelandics that are being used this way, sadly. Thank you for this video.
dont be so fucking dumb, you are obviusly not an iclandic horse trainer, but i am and THESE PICS ARE TAKEN IN A SPLIT SECOND AND CAN NOT BE USED TO DEMONDTRAIT ANY ABUSE!, most of my horses tölt on a loose rain and some dont even know how to trot, tölt comes naturally to them.... and the icelandic bit is a very horse-friendly bit.
-before you post anything like that again on the internet to judge and affend people with your ignorance, please do some reserch first.
Excuse me but i own an Icelandic horse. I dont pace him but that is NOT abuse. I DARE U to look up saddleseat. saddleseat is not abuse eighter. I ride saddleseat for about 8 years
and by the way thoes horses are treated like king/queens thank u very much
Toss away the noseband. Umm.... yeah no. You see, a noseband is a training tool. Horses open their mouths to evade the bit and pay no attention to their riders wishes. (example: horse - I want to run straight through that thick underbrush rider - no, lets stick to the trail *steers the horse back to the trail* horse - haha no thanks *runs for the brush* rider - pulls back on the reins horse - *opens its mouth, (in doing so, no matter how hard you pull back on the reins
the horse wont feel a thing) By putting a noseband on, the horse can't ignore the bit, or ignore its rider.
Yes I am aware that bits can be over used, just be *quick fixes*, and more training is needed. Just remember, you don't know the WHOLE story behind the photo. Was the horse acting really bad? Being disrespectful? Running away?
Just think about the WHOLE picture not just a tiny bit.
It's not *the* photo, or *the* picture, or *the* horse; it's many photos, many videos, many situations, many circumstances, and *many* Icelandic Horses.
If it was *one* photo, it could be an odd moment in time, but this is not that type of situation.
Watch the videos; watch the horses stiffen up, toss their heads, fighting the bit, because it is hurting them.
Look at the heavy contact.
Check out the weight on the feet, and the pounding to create animation.
I do like your point in this vid :).. Many use too tight reins and noseband.. But you often make it seem like you think ALL ice riders are bad. I would like you to specify more that SOME are.. We do not all do like this :)..
"the icelandic horse owners".. do you really think every single icelandic horse owner abuses his horse? of course there are some exceptions, but most of the icelandic horses riders treat their horses adequate and with respect.
and please before you charges the whole "icelandic horse owners" because of a few ridiculous pictures have a look at the showjumping with its huge obstacles. or the western horses, or the dressage with its rollkur!
yes yes let's show one of those videos again. It's okey to pick on Iceland right, it's going to hell anyway these days.
1. Look at pictures from show jumping, dressage, barrel racing, racing, saddleseat, does those pictures look any better ? No they don't.
The Icelandic horses are one of the most happiest horses in the world.
Those horses that you show in the pictures, you think they are allways ridden like that. Nooo. It's when it comes to shows when they are asked to give a little extra.
yes yes show pictures of Icelandic horses. That's such a classic tric, Iceland is going to hell anyway these days.
Take a good look at show jumping, dressage, barrel racing, racing, does all of those horses have like perfect mouth and they reins are not hurting them at all, uh no.
Of corse jumpers, racers, westerns and all of them try not to hurt their horses but sometimes the show is just more import to them then the horse wich is stupid and horrable of corse.!!
Precicely how is the Horse being hurt?? If i should follow the video the horse is actually not aloud to scratch it self og whip its head up into the air or to look at the ground with a bit in its mouth...? What is the next? That the horse is hurt when you sit on it?
Thank you for supporting me! Theese pictures are just found on the internet of a bunch of idiots that believe that everyone who use regular eqipment on a icelandic horse is an animal abuser!!!
I am not allowing people i know to do those things when they do it. but not evryone do it! Im Hurted of the way you speak of "THE ICELANDIC HORSEOWNERS"
Yes, of course we do, and my friends and I have worked a long time to help with other gaited horse breeds.
The point is, right here and right now, we are talking about Icelandic Horses. We can't deflect the conversation to other breeds.
People sometimes take the focus away from the point of bits hurting the horse. We need to help to do something so that the Icelandic Horse doesn't get hurt by humans when being ridden.
We can get better riding practices into the breed.
If your a good horseman, you better know that a human beeing is not strong enough to forse a horse to anything, even an icelandic horse!!!! It is too strong anyway.
It maybe looks like it is heavy contact, often because the icelandic horse normaly lifts its head in flying pace and tölt and chews the bit because it is consentrated. my horse do that even if i loose the reins on purpose, belive me, i have tried it!
On those competitions the bit and noseband and all other equipment on the horses is hightly looked at for the rules of what you can use! Those pictures are just unhappy for the moment because the photographer took them so it looks like hell!!! Dont you dare to say that "every icelandic horse owner" Do that!! Youre just making a fool of your self.
i ment trough the nose! The holes are spilling open so the noseband looks tight. You know what? iwe got an icelandic horse myself. He opens his mouth often when he is running. off exitement. he is chewing on the bit and thats NORMAL!!!! You found those pictures on the internet dindt you?
A horse that is comfortable with the bit has no need to chew it.
The horse's jaw should be relaxed, that's a main point of dressage and any good style of riding.
We need to try to bring that one point (the jaw should be relaxed) into the Icelandic Horse world. It will be good for the horse; he will benefit greatly from just this one point.
I do not help you when youre a so "i know better person" Read what i wrote to you!! Youre not understanding anything than your own teories!!! It is not only some icelandic horse owners that do wrong things!!! Many many else do it among them, are dressage people, circus, show jumping, hacking, gallop, trott competitions and more... it happens everywere!!!!
Do you Know ANYTHING about Icelandic horses???? You Moron!!! This is just a movie of you showing what a jerk you are!!! The noseband is just as regular as any else noseband! it looks tight bechause the horse is breathing when it is running actually, but as the fool you are you sure dont even know that either! Go to an icelandic stable and learn somthing! Show people on youtube something else than your completly idiotic lowlife!!!
"noseband! it looks tight bechause the horse is breathing when it is running "
Horses do not, can not, breathe through their mouths. If the mouth is open, something is wrong; they are hurting from the bit or the hands or the noseband.
We are trying to bring education about these matters to the Icelandic Horse owners, for the benefit of the horse. We advocate FOR the horse.
Ego and ribbons should not mean more than the welfare of the horse.
my friend has an icelandic-we use nosebands, and when she takes him to a dressage compotition she uses a more stronger bit. i ride him alot and the tolt is a natral gait of icelandics. these icelandice are at the worst, but this isn't the olny breed that is being abused,many horses around the world are being abused right now (i wish this didn't happen), but not all of them are icelandics. point is,icelandics aren't the only breed in the world that need help.but the riders are the ones to blame.
ss00944life 1 year ago
im from iceland you sound like you dont now nothing about icelandic horses , these pictures are taken when the horse is just moving his mouth or his head its not hurting him ! some horses do not like going on speed racking so they move their head up and down to release the contact , and you can see it in the horses eyes that most of the pictures that they are afraid , you would now this if you new anything about icelandics horses!
katrin0210 1 year ago
hm. I find it offending that you seem to say that ALL icelandic horse riders do this. I certainly do not, and i do agree with your point. But not all of us have heavy contact or tight nosebands. the noseband my horse has is as loose as it should be (2 fingers on top of each other between), and because i've ridden Western for 5 years, i hold the reins incredibly loosely. And i'm sure there's more proud owners of icelandics out there who dont use the "old" methods. cheers.
xxAlchemistressxx 1 year ago
Thanks for posting...I noticed how uncomfortable the mouths looked on many of the icy videos- all those straps are, well, rather an advertisement for "Sadist on Board", there are plenty of loving owners who DON'T do this. What great little ponies!!
nakedgallop 1 year ago
@1010nicole1010 you should know that some horses just really want to tölt all the time and there is nothing wrong with that, he was probobly not forced to harden his muscles and rase his neck high because thats what icelandic horses do when they tölt. And horses don't open their mouths just when theres something wrong, my best friend has a horse that doesthis sometimes and she doesn't have any rein contact we only use sounds to controle our horses so that couldn't be it.
makeup4everable 1 year ago
I am SHOCKED by all the negative comments. If you need to zip a horse's mouth closed with a figure eight noseband to keep him from evading the bit, YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR HANDS.
korlopp 1 year ago
it's so true!! I live in Iceland but I'm from Poland and here is really heavy contact!! It's really sad I think but these horses can't ride with soft contact. I want buy young icelandic horse and show icelandics that they can ride ,,normal"... and this noseband is horrible!
TheFosfora 2 years ago
most ponys open there mouth when they are relaxed! myn sertainly does and the tack they are using is different to the standard english tack, plus if the ponie resists and the rider blocks with the hand then the contact is going to get shorter but that is the ponies fault not the riders! but i do agree that some bits are too big although they are usually used on the stallions
tabbypony 2 years ago
its never the horses fault, the horse is just doing what it thinks it supposed to, the rider is the one to blame
Annathesurfer 1 year ago
Tack is just tack. Bridle, bit, noseband, flash, martingale...it is all just leather that was originally created to aid in the act of horseback riding. The tack is neither good nor evil. It is the people who misuse the tack that are wrong. It is people who use it to hinder their horses rather than help. Don't blame the tack for human ignorance and cruelty. Though personally for the record, I prefer riding at liberty.
Appaloosakisses 2 years ago
Am I allowed to ask you what a kind of a horse do you have, that you tell us something like that?
Dragonza6 2 years ago
Most of the pics are only seconds and so I dont think you can say that THIS is the normal way how you ride the horses AND this is not only the fact with Icelandic horses. I do know some of the riders and if you would really know them too you would see that they are riding very very fine! If is this is such a pain, why can this horses be content? Yes, of course there are ruogh people.. but I do really not agree with that vid!
Dragonza6 2 years ago
If you have to use a noseband to keep the horse from putting his tongue over the bit, try a different bit and making sure it's adjusted properly on the bridle. Some nosebands are purely for the purpose of keeping a horse's mouth shut, some are just part of the bridle. Personally, when I ride with an English headstall, the noseband is fastened with enough room that I can fit 2 fingertips between it and the horse's jaw comfortably. Any tighter tends to rub the hair off of the horse's face.
MachaMongRuad 2 years ago
i think that some of these ponies are as poor as the hyperflexion ridden dressage und jumpping horses. i have often seen icelands that were ridden with only 10 cm long reins supposed to keep their head unnormal high with hardening their muscels in their backs just for doing "tölt". i have once ridden one that wasn´t able to do normal trot. it took several month until he understod that he was allowed to relax and to strech under the rider.
1010nicole1010 2 years ago
Nobody wants their horse to keep the head up, it is actually given extra points in contests if the horse har a bent neck and nose down, thereby bearing his back better and the rider, being relaxed, flexible and comfortable.. I don't know where you've ridden, but they clearly knew little.
Synna89 2 years ago
Nosebands are fine, only if used for the right thing. ya, you might use it to keep everything in place, but many others use them so the horse cant open its mouth and show its pain.
GypsyVannerLove 2 years ago
iæm a litle bit agree, and a litle bit not agree.. I don't like heavy contacts, and tights noseband, but you have maybe put it in a litle bit wrong light?
But, a big yes to, i have see some horses who didn't should been ridden as they been.. But is nott only icelandics riders who use this metodes.!! (Sorry bad English)
gibbur 2 years ago
you just take the bad pictures and say that's rong what we are doing!
mikkimuus 2 years ago
The fact that some people try to justify the use of nosebands show ME, that they have to deal with the feeling of guilt.
a noseband isnt necessary, never. and if it is - everybody should reflect the way they practise riding.
Hanfrila 2 years ago
wait whats wrong with noseband? i put it on so my horse wornt get her head gears off in a sec. or that the bite will sit on the side of her. and there are SOOO many kinds of nose bands.
and at competions they actully do check your gears and the horse.
LitlaStjarna 2 years ago
this was some nightmare pictuers you found. Me for once newer uses nosebands then Im not at school. Cause they forces me to due to "safety"
SailorIda 2 years ago
I don't see a good reason for a noseband-the dressage bridles often have them, but my horse didn't like it so I took it off--happy horse, happy rider. If control is needed, try a stronger bit than a snaffle. Less pull is needed, and at some point, (for my horse, within one ride) the horse listens better to avoid bit action, so light hands are possible.
twhstar 2 years ago
Wanna no the reason we use a noseband?
They support the horses head, and they make it so the horse cannot put their tounge over the bit which make the rider lose control completely causing MUCH pulling on the mouth. So if you have a problem with pulling on the mouth.... try a noseband!!!!
gandalfurmyhorse 2 years ago
!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
birnaluna 2 years ago
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG ABOUT THE WAY WE RIDE! AND NO WE DONT ABUSE OUR HORSES! it happens that some peoble put it too thight but it only happens like once inn a milion! so dont you ever dare to tell me that i abuse my horse by puting a peace of rein on him and showing tölt on him!!
birnaluna 2 years ago
I AGREE!!!!!!!
gandalfurmyhorse 2 years ago
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Dragonza6 2 years ago
we need the noseband other wise out rein will fall off it can atleast we use it to save,once i put only the rein on my horse and guess what he just moved his head and it fell of with me -.-
birnaluna 2 years ago
There must be a reason for the horse not accepting the bit without a noseband. Many horses, many breeds, are ridden without nosebands.
icehorses 2 years ago
we dont abuse our icelandic horses! their rein is just good and force them into unnatrual positions? what?! >:(
birnaluna 2 years ago
that position is normal for that style of riding, the horses neck muscles have been exercised so that its comfortable to have their neck arched like that, just like American trot racing horses
bluedooke 2 years ago
If you ride without a noseband, the bits can come into the horses mouth. The noseband keeps the bits in the mouth. But i agree with you. If you are in controle with you horse, you wouldent need it.
fatterhat 2 years ago
I got an video of my icelandic horse on my chanel=) There are old en new pica's in the video=) I hope you like it,
siltjeh96 2 years ago
Looks like a lot of the top horsemen in the world agree with the video!
icehorses 2 years ago
this video is so dumb. these pics are just at bad moments. the horse can move his mouth. the band on the horse's nose is thigten really lightly. STUPID......
bjarma123 2 years ago
i soo agree with you. (:
maibritpetersenxb 2 years ago
So many bad moments in time! Why use a noseband? If the bits fit, the horses wouldn't have a problem with it; if the riders didn't use such force, the horses wouldn't show any problem behavior.
icehorses 2 years ago
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katrinlif 2 years ago
Yes, why? Explain why they are needed, please. Thanks!
icehorses 2 years ago
ditto
koolcuttyanoop152 2 years ago
I got anicelandic horse who was very strong and difficult in the beginning but know i can ride here whithout a saddle and no bit, anything. And i just ride whith my legs and my voice..;) i do also natural horsemanship with tricks. i think you can more whit youre horse when you do it friendly. Sometimes i ride whit a saddle for my dressage lessons;)
siltjeh96 2 years ago
Can you post some videos of you and your horse? Thanks!
icehorses 2 years ago
good work
YuUlLiIaA 2 years ago
This video is dumb. first, your pics aren't legit, two you have no idea what you are talk about. if you knew anything you wouldn't have chosen a topic that doesn't exist....Icelandics? seriously you think they are the only ones who use "caveson", which by the way is the actual name for a nose band....STUPID VIDEO
LilleeM08 2 years ago
allthough you think it is dumb, it is true, all these picutrs show horses, way to, i dunno how it is called in proper english way beyond the vertical point in both ways, to far down as well as way to far up, the poor horses head. and the fuckin riders pulling like hell on the reigns. well if you do not have any other problem with this video as you write the non proper english of the one who put it here, there is something damn wrong in your head!!!then it is you who is dumb and ignorant!
MissLaniakea 2 years ago
Well. Let's take a couple of random pictures out of context and use them as rhetorical proof for exaggerating and demonising certain procedures. I'm sorry, but that's what you are doing now - you do not need to admit as it's pretty obvious.
It's ironic to advocate strictly "natural" horsemanship. Horseback riding etc. itself is not natural. Plus - we, humans, definitely haven't lived naturally during the last thousands of years.
Not that I don't care for horses. I just try to be reasonable.
Lumeveraja 2 years ago
well of course we didnt live in nice coexistenz with nature, doesnt mean, that we should treat animals bad, of course riding is not natural in some way,but as soon as humans came in the picutre horses got ridden. but you can do it nicely with your horse, you might ride it one hour a day and it can live happily in a herd with horse, like mine does , the other 23 hours.the video was posted i guess to wake up people. i know iceland poinies ridden nice and relaxed not open jaws and blue tongues!
MissLaniakea 2 years ago
Excellent video, even if it made me want to cry. . .
Michigansnowpony 2 years ago
I don't think that real horsemen would consider that as "chewing".
icehorses 2 years ago
These horses are not in pain! They are chewing, that is good!!! If you want to show someone hurting an Icelandic horse I think you should look at your video: What gait/ Nanna 3, Icelandic horse. Riding on such hard ground with no hoof-shoes! Im sorry but looking at that is torture, the gait is LULL a.k.a piggy pace and the horse walks just like it is in pain, I think you should have it's hoofs looked at.
astamarus 2 years ago
"Riding on such hard ground with no hoof-shoes!"
Millions of horses in the word go barefoot, and do well. Caring owners don't run them on hard ground. Horses are made barefoot. Why put them in shoes when they start riding on the same ground if they don't have shoes for years when they are not ridden. Doesn't make sense.
icehorses 2 years ago
I know a fjordowner who had bought a fjord from denmark and was surprised when the horse arrived WITHOUT shoes. She almost went and put shoes on the fjord, but her daughter suggested asking from about if from a person specialized with "barefeet" horses. She said the feet were really strong and in great condition, and that if the horse has been ridden barefeet all it´s life without negative side-effects, why put shoes then? :) still today, this fjord is barefooted ^ ^
Jefrma 2 years ago
That is one lucky fjord.
linustheferret 2 years ago
Chewing? With their tongue sticking all the way out and the reins being so strong that the bit slips out of the mouth? ...yeah, right...
Steedrider 2 years ago
omg! this is pathetic! those horses is is just chewing at the bit! And they should do that! and often it is the horses fault, because they drag in the bit and drag their heds down, if you say that the peoples is so ugly to the horses, why is the horses so happy wen they is allowed to go for a walk??????????? i think you should delete this video!
elja11 2 years ago
OMG!!!!! You have no idea of what you are talking about!!!! We DON'T hurt the icelandic horses! I have an icelandic and he is FINE!!!! Those photos are taking at competition! The judges would have disqualified the rider if it had hurt the horse..!!!!!
kiljan1996 2 years ago
Here's a video that you say is your favorite: 2dZsxZmnqUo
Do you see any fighting of the bit there? How are the horse's front legs moving? Is the rider bouncing on the horse's back? Is his contact heavy?
How natural is this type of riding for the horse?
icehorses 2 years ago
at 2:39 there is a horse which, according to icehorses, has a noseband which is too tight. In fact, this horse is sneezing of content. You can't take just some pictures of the internet if you do not know what is really happening on the picture. In this way you get a lot of misunderstandings.
LoveIJslander 2 years ago
The horse speaks for himself. The horse is saying the riding is not friendly to him! If the horse is a friend, don't let this be done to him!
icehorses 2 years ago
The Icelandic Horse has been the friend of all Icelandic people for many, many centuries. You insult these people if you say their way of riding the Icelandic Horse as friendly as possible is not friendly enough.
LoveIJslander 2 years ago
someone has missunderstod this thing! Someone maby not are so good whith there horses, but making movies like this is absurd! Please stop. And did you think Natrual Horsemanship are better than other "things" ? think again! I am still waiting for some people who can find the way in the golden middleway of all this metodes to use horses. But people are only thinking at one thing; Fasshion!
PS: my english is bad. i know ;)
gibbur 2 years ago
naturak horsemanship isn't the only way to ride a horse. Our way's are also good
Fitjum 2 years ago
you create a problem for yourself but it is not a true problem
Fitjum 2 years ago
It's definitely not a problem for me. And if the articles (to the right), under the video description, are read, it will be shown that many people have concerns over the riding style and it's affect on the horse.
icehorses 2 years ago
The bits in the video are icelandic bits and that are very horse friendly bits.
I have heard that from a trainer that had studied on Hólar on Iceland that's a college for riders who want to become an icelandichorse trainer. It's a good bit if you know how to used it.
About the head tossing, what you mean is trying to bend the neck of the horse. This is to prevent the horses of pushing out their neck. Also, this is very good for the back and the muscles of the horse. Also called dressage
Fitjum 2 years ago
The people on iceland treat their horses very friendly.
Fitjum 2 years ago
Friendly or not, it's up to the rider, the owner of the horse, to care about his horse. If he cared, his horse would not be head tossing.
icehorses 2 years ago
friend. I've done some pat parelli with my own horses on the ground, it works very good, but to train your horse for competitions is also good for the horse.
If you dont train, your horse wil never become beter on the competitions or in enething else. Of course it is good to do some natural horsemanship with your horse, so you can get a good band with him. but if you train together and improve that wil make the band stronger between the horse and the rider.
Fitjum 2 years ago
there are no icelandic horses with pain in the country where I come from!! perhaps it is true in your country but not in my country. take a look at the tenesee walking horse, these horses have pain al the time even on the competitions
Fitjum 2 years ago
Let's try to stick to improving things with the Icelandic Horse and not trying to take the focus elsewhere. If there are no icelandics in your country doing head tossing, can you point us to the videos? Thanks!
icehorses 2 years ago
All these pictures are taken at a competition. At competitions, the judges also look at the way of riding. If it is really animal cruelty, they disqualify the rider. Also, every time somebody is chosen to be checked at wounds on the mouth or anywhere on the body. If so, these riders are disqualified too!
LoveIJslander 2 years ago
I agree with you Lidwien!! ;)
Fitjum 2 years ago
How many red cards did they give last year? How many people disqualified? If the system were working, there would be no head tossing. The video is there for everyone to see. The head tossing continues, and no one does anything about it. It's up to the rider, the owner of the horse, to care about his horse. If he cared, his horse would not be head tossing.
icehorses 2 years ago
There have been some cards, but not that much, because this is no animal cruelty! Don't you get it? This is not a problem, but you're making one of it!
LoveIJslander 2 years ago
PERHAPS the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. ~~Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776.
icehorses 2 years ago
When we first got our iceys, we couldnt figure out what to do with the nose band - so we left it off - problem? no. Then I got a lindel for my gelding which solved the non nose band issue anyways since I not longer had a bit *smile* - all 3 iceys tolt, pace, etc without any special equipment - in fact I'm pretty sure thats why we bought "gaited" horses - because they gait, yes? without artificial aids or being "held in frame" - of course we dont compete - but .. well thats my two cents..
WarsWench 2 years ago
people who ride dressage or jumping behave exactly the same. Some horses do it themselves. If you want to make films about horse-abuse, have a look at the rodeo's!
Fitjum 2 years ago
Why should we look at other breeds when there are problems in this breed that need to be addressed?
By Anna Sewell, author of Black Beauty:
"My doctrine is this, that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt.
Now I say that with cruelty and oppression it is everybody's business to interfere when they see it."
icehorses 2 years ago
I ride Icelandic Horses too, and I think, no, I *know* this way of riding Icelandic Horses is not used by everyone! In fact, there are only a few who ride like this. I go to a lot of IH competitions, but I have never seen this behavior before.
LoveIJslander 2 years ago
Can you point us to some video of people who are not riding like this?
Thanks!
icehorses 2 years ago
OMG! You say that we use to much contact? You are so wrong ;)
The horse needs to be hold in a frame! Some horses needs more help then other..
LilleMeg1994 2 years ago
The horse *NEEDS* to be held in a frame?!?!?
According to who? Bad trainers? Uneducated trainers?
By Anna Sewell, author of Black Beauty:
"My doctrine is this, that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt.
Now I say that with cruelty and oppression it is everybody's business to interfere when they see it."
icehorses 2 years ago
there are no bad trainers!!!
Fitjum 2 years ago
OMG! You are so wrong!
They are NOT hurting!
LilleMeg1994 2 years ago
"Horses don't perform well when they are in pain. They become agressive or just won't do anything"
Exactly. That's why they *have* to carry whips with them.
Whips... with a pony?!?!?
How about some horsemanship?
We CAN do something about it; we ARE doing something about it.
And proud of it.
One less Icelandic Horses to suffer from ignorance; or the quest for a blue ribbon above the horse's welfare.
icehorses 2 years ago
You said: "Whips... with a pony?!"
Even Parelli uses a "stick" -- it is considered an extension of your arm, and another tool for communication. It's unfortunate there isn't a euphemism for a dressage whip (like there is with "carrot stick") because the word "whip" carries an emotional charge. But just because it's called a "whip" doesn't mean it's used to beat the horses.
You may be overstepping with the "whip" comment--are there many videos where whips are used to whip the horse into a gait?
KathySierraVideos 2 years ago
The whip with Icelandic Horses is a whip. It's not used as an extension or a carrot stick. It's a reminder to the horse that they need to be doing something with their body that they might not necessarily naturally do unless there is something there to back up the request.
icehorses 2 years ago
Well, that's an interesting statement! Im Icelandic and we in Iceland DO NOT use our Dressage whips (which is the most common whip in iceland Today) to whip our horses!!! That is just insulting! We simply use it as an extension!
astamarus 2 years ago
What *exactly* do you use the whips for? Why is an extension needed for a pony? Millions of horses are ridden without whips, extensions, sticks, wands, etc., and they do much more intricate work than Icelandic Horses. See these videos:
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icehorses 2 years ago
Pony!?! I have ridden an Icelandic horse that is 169hh.. Is that still a Pony??? Well, I can just as easily ask: Why is it needed on Horses? I Video 1,4: Stacy Westfall! Renee Coble. Great riding! But there are also riders doing this in Iceland: Mette Manseth and Happadís frá Stangarholti! Doing exactly the same thing! But is she also rides competitions. Im trying to find pic or videos to support this. Video 5: Nice! But I just don't get this spinning! Why do they spin? What is the purpose?
astamarus 2 years ago
As I've said in other videos, even Parelli advocates riding with a stick as does Jane Savoie and even the Spanish Riding School in Vienna uses them at times. They're abused quite a lot in every discipline, I'm sure, but the mere presence of a whip/stick is in no way an implicit indication of punishment. At the shows I've been in, the whip is there to say "keep that shoulder in" "step under with THAT hind leg" and "use your rear end" etc. If I whacked my horse I'd end up in the next county.
KathySierraVideos 2 years ago
The horses look very distressed. That is a travesty.
puzzleluvzme 2 years ago
If the hoses mouth is open, it dont have to be anything wrong! It could be a good sign that the horse is chewing with his/her mouth. And some horses do open their mouth without having any pain! Of course it is sad that people hurt their horses, but many of them in this video is NOT!
Elisabethhr92 2 years ago
Oh my freakin god.. Why do you attack all the Icelandichorse-riders? That isn't right. Just look at ALL the other sports that includes horses.
I woul like to see you ride a horse!
AmandaFjordell 3 years ago
Just because there are problems in other breeds, doesn't mean that it's OK to ignore what is happening in this breed.
If the breed is special and / or important to you, you should want to be sure that each individual horse is treated with respect and not harmed.
There is no attack on *all* icelandic horse riders. The ones who ride without hurting the horses know who they are.
The ones who ride and hurt the horse may need a wake up call.
What are you doing to educate bad riders?
icehorses 3 years ago
hahaha....this whole comment area is too funny.... IF any of you know about horses in general YOU WOULD know that horses are smart enough to know how to carry a frekin bit in thier mouth where it is comfortable. There for drop nose bands are for lazy ass people who wont take the time to let thier horse relax and figure it out on thier own. REGUARDLESS of breed!!!!
chickadee322 3 years ago
We use drop nosebands with our icelandic horses and they are not even done up tight. A lot of it is just a fashion and is causing the horse no pain or discomfort. Just because a noseband is there doesn't mean it is being used inapropriatly.
freedomstrengthhope 2 years ago
By the way nearly all people I know riding Icelandic horses use double Broken Waterbits and the "Kandarre" is an nice bit for peopel who know how to use it, because you can ride even more sensitive.But you have to know how to use this bit like every other demanding bit .
Im sorry I`ve there are any mistakes in my text, im not a native speaker!!
nippmaster 3 years ago
There is nothing wrong with these horses. If you knew anything about the icelandic horse you would know that.
I use nosebands on my horses and they are just fine with it and the "severe noseband" was specially made as a training tool for young horses so that it would not get in contact with the bit to hard.
alextolts 3 years ago
You said: "There is nothing wrong with these horses"
Are you kidding?
icehorses 3 years ago
the horse on 2:51, I love he/she <3
Gaeskurjulia 3 years ago
Even a split second of the pressure these horses are feeling is too much. It is abuse. And it's not just the icelandics that are being used this way, sadly. Thank you for this video.
ritzydoodle 3 years ago
dont be so fucking dumb, you are obviusly not an iclandic horse trainer, but i am and THESE PICS ARE TAKEN IN A SPLIT SECOND AND CAN NOT BE USED TO DEMONDTRAIT ANY ABUSE!, most of my horses tölt on a loose rain and some dont even know how to trot, tölt comes naturally to them.... and the icelandic bit is a very horse-friendly bit.
-before you post anything like that again on the internet to judge and affend people with your ignorance, please do some reserch first.
hafg2 3 years ago
It's self-explanatory.
Pictures don't lie.
Video doesn't lie.
If you are a trainer, show us some video of good icelandic training and riding.
The icelandic bit is NOT horse friendly.
Anyone who knows bit mechanics knows that.
If the Icelandic Horse is such a *natural* horse, why not ride it naturally?
Why tie it up with rope and metal to ride it?
icehorses 3 years ago
Excuse me but i own an Icelandic horse. I dont pace him but that is NOT abuse. I DARE U to look up saddleseat. saddleseat is not abuse eighter. I ride saddleseat for about 8 years
and by the way thoes horses are treated like king/queens thank u very much
herewefly 3 years ago
those horses are fine. Icelandic horse owners all love there horses and take really good care of them.
alextolts 3 years ago
They probably do love their horses, but is that what you do to someone you love?
Toss away the nosebands. Training can be done with millions of horses in the world without nosebands and the horses are fine with bits that fit.
Contact that is too heavy, with a bit, is painful for the horse. Why do that?
icehorses 3 years ago
Toss away the noseband. Umm.... yeah no. You see, a noseband is a training tool. Horses open their mouths to evade the bit and pay no attention to their riders wishes. (example: horse - I want to run straight through that thick underbrush rider - no, lets stick to the trail *steers the horse back to the trail* horse - haha no thanks *runs for the brush* rider - pulls back on the reins horse - *opens its mouth, (in doing so, no matter how hard you pull back on the reins
freedomstrengthhope 2 years ago
Quote: "Horses open their mouths to evade the bit and pay no attention to their riders wishes"
That is sort of an old paradigm of training. Sort of a master / slave, domination / submission type of relationship.
The better paradigm is to work on better training, better communication, working as partners and not relying on equipment.
If a horse runs away with a rider on his back, he's running *from* the rider.
I ride my horse with a halter. She chooses to stay *with* me.
icehorses 2 years ago
the horse wont feel a thing) By putting a noseband on, the horse can't ignore the bit, or ignore its rider.
Yes I am aware that bits can be over used, just be *quick fixes*, and more training is needed. Just remember, you don't know the WHOLE story behind the photo. Was the horse acting really bad? Being disrespectful? Running away?
Just think about the WHOLE picture not just a tiny bit.
freedomstrengthhope 2 years ago
It's not *the* photo, or *the* picture, or *the* horse; it's many photos, many videos, many situations, many circumstances, and *many* Icelandic Horses.
If it was *one* photo, it could be an odd moment in time, but this is not that type of situation.
Watch the videos; watch the horses stiffen up, toss their heads, fighting the bit, because it is hurting them.
Look at the heavy contact.
Check out the weight on the feet, and the pounding to create animation.
Big Lick? Little Lick?
icehorses 2 years ago
I do like your point in this vid :).. Many use too tight reins and noseband.. But you often make it seem like you think ALL ice riders are bad. I would like you to specify more that SOME are.. We do not all do like this :)..
Synna89 3 years ago
"the icelandic horse owners".. do you really think every single icelandic horse owner abuses his horse? of course there are some exceptions, but most of the icelandic horses riders treat their horses adequate and with respect.
and please before you charges the whole "icelandic horse owners" because of a few ridiculous pictures have a look at the showjumping with its huge obstacles. or the western horses, or the dressage with its rollkur!
dieschar 3 years ago
yes yes let's show one of those videos again. It's okey to pick on Iceland right, it's going to hell anyway these days.
1. Look at pictures from show jumping, dressage, barrel racing, racing, saddleseat, does those pictures look any better ? No they don't.
The Icelandic horses are one of the most happiest horses in the world.
Those horses that you show in the pictures, you think they are allways ridden like that. Nooo. It's when it comes to shows when they are asked to give a little extra.
dasemd 3 years ago
yes yes show pictures of Icelandic horses. That's such a classic tric, Iceland is going to hell anyway these days.
Take a good look at show jumping, dressage, barrel racing, racing, does all of those horses have like perfect mouth and they reins are not hurting them at all, uh no.
Of corse jumpers, racers, westerns and all of them try not to hurt their horses but sometimes the show is just more import to them then the horse wich is stupid and horrable of corse.!!
dasemd 3 years ago
Precicely how is the Horse being hurt?? If i should follow the video the horse is actually not aloud to scratch it self og whip its head up into the air or to look at the ground with a bit in its mouth...? What is the next? That the horse is hurt when you sit on it?
Arctix85 3 years ago
Please see the Cavallo article at:
iceryder net/cavalloarticle.html
and
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The biomechanics are explained by the professionals.
icehorses 3 years ago
Thank you for supporting me! Theese pictures are just found on the internet of a bunch of idiots that believe that everyone who use regular eqipment on a icelandic horse is an animal abuser!!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
You can also read about the problems in the Shame in the Horse Show Ring.
Look on the right hand side of the following link, look below the three little videos, and you will see the link to the Shame article:
icehorses.blogspot com/
icehorses 3 years ago
You do hurt regular people like me when you say "icelandic horseowners" witch meens me and other icehorseowners.
You have to be more precicely.
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"You do hurt regular people like me when you say "icelandic horseowners"
Don't concentrate on the individual words. Look at the pictures; look at the point of the video... the horse.
The horse is being hurt.
The human needs to take the ego out of the equation.
Look at the horse(s) in the video.
Can you help to save at least one of them from pain?
Will you?
icehorses 3 years ago
I am not allowing people i know to do those things when they do it. but not evryone do it! Im Hurted of the way you speak of "THE ICELANDIC HORSEOWNERS"
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"Im Hurted"
The intention is not to hurt you.
It's just to show how the horse hurts with poor riding practices.
We need to help the horse and bring better riding into the breed.
icehorses 3 years ago
So you dont care about any other horse breeds??? WTF?!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
Yes, of course we do, and my friends and I have worked a long time to help with other gaited horse breeds.
The point is, right here and right now, we are talking about Icelandic Horses. We can't deflect the conversation to other breeds.
People sometimes take the focus away from the point of bits hurting the horse. We need to help to do something so that the Icelandic Horse doesn't get hurt by humans when being ridden.
We can get better riding practices into the breed.
icehorses 3 years ago
Anadiva6 is actually defending these practises? She must be a youngster just learning.
steinagusti3 3 years ago
If you read what i wrote you will understand. Im not happy with someone doing abuse of course but he says that everyone do this and thats not true!!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"he says that everyone do this"
Where does it say everyone does this?
icehorses 3 years ago
He said Icelandic horse owners earlier, that must meen every icelandic horseowner then. ore he have to be more precicely and say SOME!!!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
Really? Have you done any searching? Have you been on a competition like that?
This is to dumb to talk about! Im so dissapointed of all the "I know everything" people! You is the one who is ego here!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
If your a good horseman, you better know that a human beeing is not strong enough to forse a horse to anything, even an icelandic horse!!!! It is too strong anyway.
Or maybe your'e Superman, or what???
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"human beeing is not strong enough to forse a horse to anything"
Having a good relationship with a horse, without metal and nosebands and whips, takes some time and energy.
Sometimes people don't want to spend that time, and rely more on equipment to "control" the horse.
Yes, a bit can force a horse to do things or not do things. Metal which causes pain is not the way to a good relationship with a horse.
Have you taken any action in regard to the horses fighting the bit at shows?
icehorses 3 years ago
Sharp bits are not allowed to use on the competitions because it forces the horse. You should have known that!!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
A bit does not need to be sharp to control a horse by pain. A single jointed snaffle and just a little contact can be horrible for a horse sometimes.
Icelandic Horses have low palates; hard to have room for a jointed bit with severe action.
What is your opinion as to why the horses always have heavy contact to gait? Why isn't the gait based on a loose rein?
icehorses 3 years ago
It maybe looks like it is heavy contact, often because the icelandic horse normaly lifts its head in flying pace and tölt and chews the bit because it is consentrated. my horse do that even if i loose the reins on purpose, belive me, i have tried it!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"my horse do that even if i loose the reins"
Do you have some video?
Have you ever tried riding in a sidepull or a halter?
It's interesting to see how the horse holds his head and neck, and how relaxed the mouth is with a sidepull.
Did you see the video on the iceryder blog of the gal riding with a neckrope?
iceryder.blogspot com
icehorses 3 years ago
I dont have any video but if it is to hard to believe so forget it. im not gonna bother you anymore. I stand my ground!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
That's OK. But will you do anything to help the horses that are being hurt this way?
icehorses 3 years ago
On those competitions the bit and noseband and all other equipment on the horses is hightly looked at for the rules of what you can use! Those pictures are just unhappy for the moment because the photographer took them so it looks like hell!!! Dont you dare to say that "every icelandic horse owner" Do that!! Youre just making a fool of your self.
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"Those pictures are just unhappy for the moment"
What do you think we can do to stop these unhappy moments? There are so many of them!
icehorses 3 years ago
i ment trough the nose! The holes are spilling open so the noseband looks tight. You know what? iwe got an icelandic horse myself. He opens his mouth often when he is running. off exitement. he is chewing on the bit and thats NORMAL!!!! You found those pictures on the internet dindt you?
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"he is chewing on the bit and thats NORMAL"
A horse that is comfortable with the bit has no need to chew it.
The horse's jaw should be relaxed, that's a main point of dressage and any good style of riding.
We need to try to bring that one point (the jaw should be relaxed) into the Icelandic Horse world. It will be good for the horse; he will benefit greatly from just this one point.
Will you help?
icehorses 3 years ago
I do not help you when youre a so "i know better person" Read what i wrote to you!! Youre not understanding anything than your own teories!!! It is not only some icelandic horse owners that do wrong things!!! Many many else do it among them, are dressage people, circus, show jumping, hacking, gallop, trott competitions and more... it happens everywere!!!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"I do not help you"
It's not to help me. It's to help the horse.
Are you doing anything to help the horse? Who is looking after the welfare of the Icelandic Horse?
Will you help the horse?
If you love the breed, would you, will you, allow these practices to continue?
icehorses 3 years ago
"Many many else do it... dressage people, circus, show jumping, hacking"
But we are not talking about them, and we should take care of our own breed, make things better for the breed that we love.
Will you check into these things and take a stand against bad practices?
icehorses 3 years ago
Do you Know ANYTHING about Icelandic horses???? You Moron!!! This is just a movie of you showing what a jerk you are!!! The noseband is just as regular as any else noseband! it looks tight bechause the horse is breathing when it is running actually, but as the fool you are you sure dont even know that either! Go to an icelandic stable and learn somthing! Show people on youtube something else than your completly idiotic lowlife!!!
Anadiva6 3 years ago
"noseband! it looks tight bechause the horse is breathing when it is running "
Horses do not, can not, breathe through their mouths. If the mouth is open, something is wrong; they are hurting from the bit or the hands or the noseband.
We are trying to bring education about these matters to the Icelandic Horse owners, for the benefit of the horse. We advocate FOR the horse.
Ego and ribbons should not mean more than the welfare of the horse.
icehorses 3 years ago
I agree with you
Fitjum 2 years ago
Very informative. Thanks for this video.
HeartsongforGod 3 years ago