Irrespective about terrorism, one must understand why this garment exists in the first place. In Islam, as mandated in the "holy" Qur'an, women are viewed as secondary to men. The Burqa was made so women would not be looked at by men aside from their husband- or should I say owner. This is reprehensible in the modern world. The Burqa is the clothing form of a leash and represents sexism/misogyny. Women who "choose" to wear it are brainwashed.
i am muslim i like lesbians more than gays. in my culture the burka is like a fashion accessory, like make-up. should the western governments ban make-up? make-up is a must in film so i dont think so. for security in a bank? i think the women that were it and don't take it of due to security are challenging western throughts of the east. if women wearing a burka should be searched than shouldn't others? we are not all terrorists just like america and europe aka "the western world" are cruisaders
There is a fair bit to be said, however, for conforming with local norms. When in France, do as the French do: because it's polite. If people insist on non-conformity (which is what wearing a Burkha in France actually is), they must accept that they'll stand out and call attention to themselves ("Lookit me! Lookit me!") and that this sort of behavior actually isn't polite -- it's Bad Manners. Same way, it's Bad Manners to wear a French bikini in Saudi Arabia -- and quite a bit more dangerous.
Although I am not Muslim or middle eastern and do not agree with what the burka represents, France is definitely going too far by banning it. I would be absolutely disgusted if the United States did the same. As you said, it is ridiculous for a piece of clothing to be banned in a "free" country that is known for having "freedom of religion", especially when it is banned out of ignorant fear.
how do you feel about one being arested for indecent exposure, courts demanding formal atire? I one ran around in ski masks would they be arested in france or any other cuntry? the syle of dress does have religous and political motivations. do muslim women have a choice not to wear it, or to be non muslims?
Meh I don't think the Burqa is so much a religious thing, than it is a cultural symbol. It does represent the oppression of women, but people should still be allowed to wear what they choose.
I'm french and I agree... And considering there is like 500 persons in France that actually wear a burka, this subject is just ridiculous. It takes big proportions for nothing.
I support France. A burka is a piece of clothing like no other... I think a woman does not wear the burka, but the other way around, the burka wears the woman. Its more then a piece of cloth it's a statement of submission, invisibility, surrender. No woman is beautiful or ugly in a burka... it's just invisible, sexless, an extension of the men that supervise her body and mind... an uniform and a symbol for religious gender-based slavery.
So basically, France is fighting oppression of women by MAKING IT A CRIME FOR WOMEN TO BE OPPRESSED!? What's next, fighting AIDS by giving people HIV? "Take off that burqa, woman, for God's sake this is France not a third world country where you'd be made to do things you don't like."
They live in their country and so they should either integrate into their society or leave, I wish we would do this too (Britain) - it's getting ridiculous. I absolutely refuse to believe we should allow people live in our country and pick and chose what parts of the traditional society they want to follow based on how it suits them.
On top of that I could write a whole essay on what the Burka is associated with in the Western countries, especially due to events in the last decade.
@OriginalYTName The problem we're having throughout the world is the discussion of freedom. When you give people more freedom you will let groups create themselves, religions get created, revolutionists speak. There will be more war, more violence, but at least people are free. I'd rather have freedom then oppression, even if it brings bad things (we'll deal with those things when they happen). Keep in mind that you might hate the Burka, but it's important to someone else. Continue...
@OriginalYTName If a country stands for freedom then people should feel comfortable moving there and living life they way they see fit. This is a complicated discussion, depending on how you believe the world should run. In America we have laws that protect people from others trying to force something upon them. You can't rape, kill, force someone to marry others, in America. We have laws protecting individual rights. People can practice whatever they want, and people can leave that practice.
@OriginalYTName In a perfect world, that means even is Muslims came here and forced their women to do crazy things, those women can leave and live safe lives in another state. They're bound to win in a court of law. In Muslim countries, if a woman tries to leave she's killed.
I personally, don't think any religion is real, so if you want peace, get rid of all religions, that way when people did something harmful they can't point to a religion and say it's okay.
@Brittanysofficial I agree with all you said except one point. The burka is -not- simply an "style of clothing". It is incorrect to associate the burka with say sweatshirts or tank-tops. The burka has a deep symbolic and cultural meaning. It is designed to be a literal containment unit in order to surpress and even enslave women. It is used as a symbol of property and inequality. It is offensive to 100% of humanity.
If the burka is simply clothing than footbinding is a type of shoewear.
@niknik2203 I understand what you're saying, but I actually think the burka and hijab are beautiful and if I could make it casual wear, I would. The nun's habit used to be special but now girls wear it as a slutty halloween costumes. Clothing is clothing, yes it means something to someone out there, but to others it's just clothes. On a large scale, it doesn't matter. What matters is that people can wear them if they want.
@Brittanysofficial yes, women should be allowed to wear the burka if they choose to. I kinda say that loosely because i think it's more a product of indoctrination than choice, but nontheless, it shouldn't be banned. I guess it's my hope that a time comes when no woman chooses to wear it or is expected to wear it.
But If the burka could become a "sluttly holloween costume" then i would -love- that. XD I hope it occurs in my lifetime but i fear not.
@niknik2203 wow! well done!! you are wrong the "Bhurka" is to protect females. they should wear it as soon as puberty hits them. like around 8-10. i personally avoid girls at college that cover up, i tend to go for the one that are lesser covered.
@niknik2203 neither is the clothing of nuns and popes! even they shud stop wearing those things, but when it comes to muslims people r more than ready to attack there culture first!
@waterpen27 Average women on the street are not compelled to wear the nuns habit out of some twisted sense of modesty and ownership of women. Your example is not the same.
Islamic culture is hundreds of years behind judeo-christian culture and should advance into moderity. I criticise it because i care for the rights of Muslim women as i care for the rights of all other women. So should you criticise it too.
@OriginalYTName Are you seriously saying that the Burka is the thing that is going to change how foreign people integrate in Britain? It's a part of their culture and it really doesn't affect you. If British people should only take part in things that are socially or culturally British, ban American style jazz musicians or ban McDonalds. I don't remember it being a tradition in Britain that you can't wear what you want either.
So you're assuming culture is defined by country? No. It's Western culture in general, it's the same across all the major modernised countries of the Western hemisphere. Not taking into account obvious differences (accent, number plates etc..) you could drop someone in any modern city in the West and they wouldn't be able to tell what country they were in.
@OriginalYTName If our British culture has adapted to include lots of Western hemisphere cultures and visa versa why do you object at the Burka? The fact we have a Western Culture shows that we as a country have adapted to different cultures and ideas. If you look around those major modernised countries you see all different styles of clothing that people use to express different things about themselves. You haven't explained why the Burka particularly affects you or anybody else.
I think banning the Burka was completely the wrong decision. It encourages racism and takes away peoples rights, making them seem almost less human.
By banning the burka, it makes it seem that the population has something to fear because ever the government are scared of it. It's a basic right to be able to chose what you wear, so why do they have the right to take it away, where others in the county still have it? Everyone should have the same laws- no matter what religion
On the one hand, I the sort of culture that makes women wear Burkas turns my stomach. OR, even if a woman chooses it, I find the fact that these women are told they must wear such limiting clothing, covering their humanity, in order to please their God nearly as disgusting.
But, I can't ignore the fact that France is breaching basic human rights.
my school is filled with teens who wear Burkas, i think they look pretty cool actually, what was Frances reason for banning it? was it legit? i dont think so, its clothing! get over it
@pitcrewsk8er2189 It should stay in France. I'm just concerned what this means when a 'tolerant' country bans a religious thing like a Burka in the name of safety.
The burqa has very little to do with religious customs, and a lot to do with how men and women are perceived in the middle-east. Woman wear burqas to hide themselves from men who apparently cannot control their urges. Only their husbands may see them uncovered. If this is the case in their own country, so be it. But if a woman wearing a burqa in my country is insinuating that I am not in control of myself, and could possibly be a threat to them, then I am highly offended.
@papersplease I understand the whole sexist mentality of Islam, but people do choose to follow that religion (I realize many are forced in awful counties). It doesn't matter what we think of a religion, it matters that people are allowed to believe in it and follow any and all customs that come with it. There are plenty of sexiest religions, I don't see people banning anything they do. And when they do, they shouldn't.
There's an argument to be made that the burkas symbolise the oppression of women in the Islamic faith. France isn't an Islamic country and so shouldn't have to comply with their male superiority ideals.
Actually France's reasoning behind banning the burka wasn't because they were fearful of the people wearing them. On the contrary, they wanted to unite their country, so when someone sees a woman walking down the street they don't think, "She's Muslim." They would just think "She's French." (I actually have friends in France who explained this ordeal to me.)
@MsBrigidClare She might be French, but she's sill Muslim, a believer in Islam. And because she believes in her Gawd, Allah, she will practice her religious customs. Whatever they are, even if it means wearing a burka. I guess I don't see how France doesn't get that. I wish countries would unite their people through their differences, instead through their similarities.
@raultalbot7 Being raised Catholic and no longer a believer, I will tell you there's a lot of things that aren't in a lot of books. But people still do them. If I had the choice, no one would follow a religion they couldn't prove. They could base things off of logic and what we could prove. But since the world doesn't work my way, it has to work it's way. I've learned to live in a world with people that think differently than me. Maybe France and people that back them up, should do the same.
@Brittanysofficial I do not agree with the mentality, however I was just informing you of it. I do agree with you about how countries should unite through differences, especially since the similarities don't seem to be enough. Having religious and non-religious friends, I've come to learn that they'd prefer that everyone be of one religion or state of mind. But if everyone were that way then the world would be far less interesting. May not get what you want, but you'll get what you need.
Why, do Muslims migrate to a democratic society and nation and insist that the country to which they have entered, change to suit their religion and customs? If these ideologies are so important to them, why not stay where these religious customs are a part of their lifestyles?
@raultalbot7 Not all Muslims are violent people and sadly the countries that are Muslim, are also run by evil people. The evil isn't dictated directly from the religion, but from the corruption of the people. There are tons of religions out there, Christianity included, that I think people shouldn't bother believing in. But I'll be the first to defend the right to believe in any religion you want, no matter how silly the religion or customs seem to me. Stop those who only directly cause pain.
I didn't say all muslims are violent and who says they don't have a right to believe in their religion? Today’s adherence to literal interpretations of the veil, largely by Muslims ignorant of the true dictates of their own religion, are thus actually derived from cultural misogyny, which claims, falsely, to have a basis in the divine. France is a secular state and believe wearing the burqa is a not-so-subtle message of fundamentalism.
@Brittanysofficia I wasn't accusing you of saying anything. I was answering your question. The reason Muslims don't stay in countries that are Islamic is because of the corruption. It's why they immigrate to countries like America or France. Not only that, but some people just like to move around. Many Muslims do like capitalism. They aren't any different from anyone else.
You didn't answer my question... why do they insist that the country to which they have entered, change to suit their religion and customs? If you were to move to another country... would you respect their laws no matter how silly you think they might be?
@raultalbot7 I think I misunderstood what you were aiming at. I disagree with people changing most things to fit outrageous requests. I would need you to give me an example, there are so many we could choose from. But Burka's were never banned until now. This is a new thing brought on by the increase in Muslim population in France. I understand the fear for safety. But I understand the fear of tyranny more. I'd rather avoid that than anything else.
Yes, it is a new thing, brought on by muslims refusal to assimilate. Muslims are not the only religion France places restrictions on...Jews are not allowed to wear the skullcap in public, Christains are not allowed to wear or display large crucifixes. Public display of worship is also banned...and we know how well muslims follow that rule.
I am married and both my wife and I choose not to wear them. There is no "ownership". Just like I do not push her to change her las name to mine, antiquated tradition that makes women loose their identity. I am very in favor of banning sagging. I really want police to issue tickets for indecent exposure when men are showing half their underwear. Sagging to me represents very little or no intelligence. My daughters show half a diaper I pull up their pants, in their defense, THEY ARE BABIES!
As a black male seeing as how various people have tried to ban sagging pants I disagree with banning people from wearing a burka. If you're that scared over the people who wear them than why not tighten up security? Put metal detectors or some other form of high end security in the places your worry about. If a terrorist wants to do harm to others, having or not having a burka wont change anything.
To me thats another form of racial profiling, evil has no guaranteed look.
@bigjamesbrown I concur! Banning of sagging pants just shows how silly we've become as people. And I agree about tightening up security. And they will tell you that by banning the burka they are protecting people. But like you said, ban the burka and a terrorist will find another way. Thanks for the comment :)
i would understand why they would ban it just because like you said for sercuirty reasons but i feel like the law should state you cant wear them in certain places that is my opin ion on the subject and yersshh
I hope this doesn't catch on. European Fascism tends to cross the Atlantic into the American Government, where this will warp into an anti-semitic law. Those pushing this wouldn't let a minor inconvenience like unconstitutionality stop it. Gotta love the nanny state.
I don't see the point in why burkas are banned (for the record i honestly didn't know what a burka was until i watched this...), I mean, people who get parranoid about terrorism when they see a burka might feel SOME kind of relief, but the burka doesn't make the terrorist. I mean, even without the burka there will be terrorists (maybe anyway), and then people would become parranoid about anyone who looked middle-eastern. And besides, its almost like American government banning jeans. Sort of...
This is an interesting development seeing as France banned "conspicuous religious symbols" in public schools in 2004. A law promoting secularity which also included jewish skullcaps and large christian crosses. However, officials made clear their main aim was to outlaw the headscarf to combat "extremist influence" among a minority of France's five million Muslims. (which to me sounds stupidly counter-productive)
i think what should be illegal is the forcing to wear burqas. like you said, who the fuck cares if a person seriously wants to wear one because it means something to them? until it starts harming other people, it should be left up to personal choice.
While I understand and respect it I still think that what France is doing is correct. My personal belief towards the burqa is it is a piece of clothing that tells the world "I am not equal to my husband". He can wear anything he chooses in public. It is almost like branding, it says to the world "I am muslim, a woman, no one but my husband or children can see me". We should be moving to a future of equality and abolish absurd antiquated close mindedness.
@celebro469 Then what do you think about a wedding ring? Like burkas, they're optional to wear, but you can also be forced to wear them. And the wedding ring does signify ownership and has meant that historically. So, why not ban wedding rings? Also, shouldn't the government deal with the ISSUE that is inequality, if that were the case?
Also, you said "He can wear anything he choses to in public". How does that solve the issue, if she isn't allowed to wear what she wishes to wear, a burka?
We do have this discussion in Germany too. In my opinion France has the right to ban the burka, because otherwise the immigrants won't be integrated in the society. The women wearing a burka would exclude theirselves from any foreign society. They would never be employed due to their style of clothing. So their only option would be being a housewife.
@TheRedstar91 If that were the case, shouldn't the French government work on integrating them instead of just fueling the ideal that "if you don't look like the rest of us, you have no life here"? Seems like that's not the real reason..
of course. just saying "burkas are evil" doesn't solve the problem of too little integration of the muslims into the western society. but in order to be able to integrate these people in the society, the burka has to be banned.
@TheRedstar91 So what, when the burka is banned, all cultural division will VANISH? Like magic? The issue of cultural integration will not be solved by telling people that they can't practice their culture in public. That is why I said that the French government should deal with the issue of cultural integration, if that is the real issue behind this, which I doubt.. (post-911 paranoia, perhaps?)
You said they have to show their faces in certain places like banks for security reasons but couldn't you just rob anyone anywhere and not show your face because of the burka?
@awxish Sunglasses only marginally helps in identification. Wearing a ski mask is unnoticeable when it's really cold outside but that's it. You already can't wear a ski mask in businesses. People will think you're trying to rob them.
@hardworker424 Hence, when entering a bank or high-security situation, remove the burka. Don't ban them entirely. I personally don't mind (obviously) when a woman walks by me with a burka. That's unnoticeable. So, why is it so much more of a threat to see someone with a burka than a ski mask in winter?
@hardworker424 Yes. But that goes for everything. This whole thing is about paranoia. You see something stealing something, knock them down. You see a Muslim woman walking around, minding her own business, leave her alone. If you see her steal something, then knock her down. Listen, on certain days I feel like crap and wear a black sweater that covers my face. I wear huge glasses and even a beanie. Sometimes I don't want others seeing my face. I don't want people telling me what I can't wear.
@Brittanysofficial People generally don't knock people down when they're doing something illegally. Cops are happy enough when someone sees something illegal and comes forward to say so. The government already regulates what you can wear. Try to go naked and see what happens. Even too skimpy of a bathing suit can get you in trouble depending on the beach.
@hardworker424 Well, In california I've never seen anyone have trouble with what they were wearing/barley wearing. We have nude beaches here. I get why we have nudity laws, but wearing too much clothing law? It's just silly. People like to think they are protecting people by preventing something they ASSUME is going to happen. React only to when things happen, not before.
@Brittanysofficial its not about wearing too much clothing, dont turn it into a silly argument about that, its about avoiding identification and allowing anyone (man, women, saint or terrorist) to get that special treatment by putting on a mask. Also `react only to when things happen, not before` is abhorrent logic, its the reason we all hate bush and why we all love preventative medicine, that line of reasoning alone is meaningless in this conversation
@Brittanysofficial Are you serious!? "React only to when things happen, not before." So drunk drivers should only be prosecuted unless they damage a car or kill someone. How about a couple of guys wearing ski masks in a unmarked windowless van outside of an elementary school? There are tons of laws that are created specifically so you react before hand and no one gets hurt.
@hardworker424 I understand that reaction of outrage from you. We've become so paranoid that we've started to ban everything for 'safety.' Like legalizing pot, people are thinking it'll cause more damage if we do that, but we don't know that. Pot should be legal because people should have the right to smoke it if they want. People should be able to do certain things and then deal with the aftermath, whatever that is. Drinking and driving is something we've seen 99% of the time be dangerous.
@hardworker424 We don't have 99% percent of people in Burka's causing trouble. People need to deal with things better. I'm not saying I have the answer, but either does France.
@Brittanysofficial I can't find the exact wording of the French law but if it says you can't wear items that prohibit identification that include ski masks, burqa and other masks than it's arguably straight security. If it specifically says no burqas then it's racist for picking out one type. Go google ski masks illegal the first hit gets you to snopes and in that the second post shows how in North Carolina that masks are banned in public unless for legit reasons. Probably other states too.
@Brittanysofficial Its not about muslim woman brittney, but ANYONE can hide under there and no one would know would they, thats the problem, no the nice muslim grandmas, and the only way to address that serious problem is to dis allow face covering for everyone. And it IS a problem, both in the western and arab world, that the burqa is abused by `non-nice-muslim-grandmas` for illegal activity, denying that it happens is not helpful (like in my country were men go into women`s washrooms with it)
"first they put away the dealers, keep our kids safe and off the street, then they put away the prostitutes, keep married men posted at home. then they shooed away the bums, then they beat back the queers, its funny there was no one left to notice when they came for us...." nofx
Its basically banning a religion! It's like, how would you like it if you lived in , I don't know, somewhere where the majority of the population is Muslim, and they banned you from wearing what you wear and forced you to wear what they did??
@urmomicous I know it's been a month but I would like to add that you're right. My parents grew up in Iraq, during a time when it was controlled by violent muslims. They're Catholic but had to be careful about showing their religious items. My dad has a muslim name because you have to name your kids a Muslim name. His middle name is Catholic, but that didn't matter to the Muslims in charge. No one should have the right to tell other people what they can wear.
While those particular items of clothing have a certain basis in patriarchal society, I think that it's ridiculous to ban burqas, hijabs, yamakas, Christian crosses, turbans, temple robes, or, for that matter, short skirts, baggy jeans, Crocs...
As long as certain security measures are not being resisted (for example, women wearing burqas should agree to something like going into a separate room to be identified/etc. by female security personnel), people should be allowed to dress as they wish.
When I Googled this, an interesting article from The Guardian came up - "Behind the burqa ban's reasoning" by Andrew Brown. It discusses both sides of the issue, so I would recommend reading it!
well america cant ban burqas, its part of a religion and a tradition and wTould be unconstitutional. Not all muslims are terrorists, dont be afraid of a culture that your not familiar with.
I think that it is completely ridiculous and fucked up that Burkas are banned. When I first heard about the news from someone, I thought they had been tricked by the Onion. Denying people their right to wear what they want for the sake of others' ignorance is completely the wrong way to deal with any issue. I'm surprised that this happened in France. Anyway the ban should be lifted and people should get their heads out of their arses and be tolerant of anyone and any culture. :D
@IamGilgamesh666 Are you saying because their face is covered, it's like I'm talking to their back? Because their eyes are showing and even if they aren't, it's like talking to someone with sun glasses on. It doesn't matter if I can't see their eyes. I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding your point.
I think its absolutely awful and terrifying that they would even CONSIDER doing such a thing. If we do it here in America, I'm moving. I don't personally wear one nor am i of the religion that does, but i think its a very scary thing for a government to do.
oh my fuck, its just a piece of clothing get over it seriously, what if they break into a house etc, they wont be able to be recognised by cctv or anything. not being racist but its so much easier to hide weapons/bombs aswell... think about this.
Yeah but you could wear a baggy hoody for the purpose of concealment too but they're not banned. And it's more than a piece of clothing for the ones who wear it. If it is just a piece of clothing anyway, then surely nobody should care if it's worn. Oh and I don't think that there is any one person in this world who would choose a feckin Burka to cover their faces if they broke into a house. :D:D
If everyone you talked to turned their back on you when talking I guess you would be fine with that, if these people don't want to be seen by others they should go and live in the wilderness.
@Brittanysofficial no, if you think it's fine for people to go around with their face covered then you should have no problem if everyone you know turns their back when talking to you, no problem at all and if you did that would make you a hypocrite, I would guess however if people did turn their backs you would be insulted and righly so, and their rights to face whatever way they want would not be a concern to you.
I know I sound like a redneck here but, the bigger the government, the smaller your liberties... that's what's happening in France, and that's what we should NEVER allow to happen in our beloved nation.
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@DannybagDarrell I agree. The government shouldn't tell me how to dress, who to marry (assuming it's consenting), what to eat, what to listen too, or what to believe.
this isnt the first time a government bans any sort of dress.... you cant walk out of your house naked and theres a reason for that... banning the burqa in public has a similar reason (see my previous comment where i say what the reason is)
Your right, the clothing is not a threat to anyone! its usually nice muslim women who wear it. The threat is from people who abuse the system, refuse to get IDed, smuggle using it etc... and this happens today in both the arab and western worlds, thats the threat, not nice old muslim grandmas, their awesome :)
The Hijab/Burka is an invasion of my right. Because, I cannot see that persons face. Islam, has a history of terrorism, unfortunately. Which means that if we allowed it to be legal, these people could possibly get away with crimes. Moreover, criminals might come and use this to their advantage. If they are in fact that religious, they should not be living in this society, because we are getting pass religion now. We cannot step back in time, just for these people, sorry.
@illuminatijews It is not an invasion of your privacy. That's a lie and fear talking. You have no RIGHT over how other people dress. You have a right to be afraid or offended, but nothing else.
I said it was an invasion of my right, my human rights. And your right, I am afraid, Im afraid for the reasons i stated above. This is a double standard, there are lots of things that bother me with this: for one, in islamic countries, foreigners are treated unfairly, islamic governments do not go out of there way to make there society more suitable for the foreigners living there. So, this is what bothers me, you come here, expecting us to change, when you dont change.
As a European (Netherlands) i think its a great thing they are banned.
Here they are allowed, and the customs came out with some numbers a couple years ago, a LOT of illegals are getting into the country by using the Burqua wearer`s passport.
Since the wearers are claiming they cant take off the head bit when taking a ID, Passport, Driving licence picture.
So here is a passport with a person wearing a black burqua, and all you can see are the eyes.
@m0j0NL This is wrong. People who wear burka's or hijab's should be willing to take them off if asked, but only if the asking is justified - like ID's, and at the work place.
I agree with you.No one just wears a burqa for fun,a woman who wears it does so to please her creator.I know women who wear it personally,educated ,and they do it for greater connection with their lord.And in a democracy no one must be told what to wear and what not to.
okay last comment, sorry for the spurge of comments. I agree fully that people should be allowed to wear a burqa, and no they shouldnt ban it in the states. But I do believe that the French should be allowed to ask and answer that same question, and be respected for which ever decision they make as that is what is right for them.
i'm sorry, but i kinda understand why france banned it, and im not saying i support it im just saying that i THINK i understand why... dont hate me :P
I don't know about France, but in Belgium, many people wish the burka would be banned too probably but for a different reason. Okay, it is /weird/ seeing someone in a burka, but that wouldn't be the reason here. Here, we have the culture and mindset of "people shouldn't show any form of their religion in public".
I accept that you say that this is wrong, but you must understand that your statement is a very american point of view. We may think that is wrong being that we grew up in a society where that is unheard of, however this is not so far-fetched over there. Without trying to offend you at all, as you know i have a great deal of respect for you, consider this as a question, who are you to say that is wrong for the French to pass this law
@RussTheBusker i'm sorry you didnt make any valid points. Give reasons for why it might not seem far fetched for this law to be passed? and I'll answer your question: she's an intelligent person with an informed opinion.
@aFriendlyArab granted, its been heavily debated, however, it was passed. Which says something. Now I may not personally agree with the law, however I really have no say in the matter. This is a French matter, pertaining to the French. I had lived in France a few years ago and so I have a pretty good grasp on how the French view this matter, not in an opinion sort of way, as those differ between people, but how the matter is viewed in a subject kind of way.
@aFriendlyArab and as for your answer, I do agree she is very intelligent. I didnt mean for the question to be in any way insulting, but more of a question to ponder over. See I respect her opinion and agree with a lot of what she has to say. However, I meant the question to be asked from more of an objective point of view, Is a young adult American able to give a valid argument to a French culture topic without knowledge and understanding of French culture?
@RussTheBusker I am not telling the French what to do. I get where you are coming from. Your video was very informative on the French culture. It would be wrong for anyone to tell France what to do, but people should voice their opinion about this issue. If the American people voice their opinion now about this, then the government will know what they face if they ever tried to that here. :)
I have a feeling that there may not be that much of a resistance, actually. Do you remember the reaction when a Muslim community center was arranged to be built several blocks away from Ground Zero? People are quite fearful here, too.
It's not just in banks, but in ANY commercial establishment. It would be like walking into a store wearing a ski-mask. Even up here in Montreal, where it's cold enough to freeze the balls off of a brass monkey, people are expected to remove anything that covers their face if they are indoors in a commercial district. You mentioned it briefly, but I think you downplayed its significance. (continued)
If someone walks into a store with ANYTHING that completely covers their face and the store-owner is uncomfortable about it when the person refuses to remove it, it is because it prevents the person to be identifiable. There is nothing xenophobic about that.
To a lesser degree, the same is if someone is walking down the street with something like that. Of course, there is an exception if the weather mandates otherwise, but it's a matter of public safety.
You make an interesting point. However, aren't those expectations merely implied? I don't think that there's a law against keeping one's face covered when inside, in Montreal or elsewhere. I mean, somewhere in the world, perhaps, but not generally...
I would like to point out that they are not directing this towards a people, the law doesnt discriminate against people, its directed towards everyone equally.
Well said!
AAAhmed46 1 month ago
Irrespective about terrorism, one must understand why this garment exists in the first place. In Islam, as mandated in the "holy" Qur'an, women are viewed as secondary to men. The Burqa was made so women would not be looked at by men aside from their husband- or should I say owner. This is reprehensible in the modern world. The Burqa is the clothing form of a leash and represents sexism/misogyny. Women who "choose" to wear it are brainwashed.
Aeolianshredhead 1 month ago
@Aeolianshredhead
Quran mentions Hijab, which even then is kind of ambigious.
The real mention of the Burqa comes from Hadith.
AAAhmed46 1 month ago
i am muslim i like lesbians more than gays. in my culture the burka is like a fashion accessory, like make-up. should the western governments ban make-up? make-up is a must in film so i dont think so. for security in a bank? i think the women that were it and don't take it of due to security are challenging western throughts of the east. if women wearing a burka should be searched than shouldn't others? we are not all terrorists just like america and europe aka "the western world" are cruisaders
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@ItsTymedNews aren't cruisaders sorry i ran out of letters.
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There is a fair bit to be said, however, for conforming with local norms. When in France, do as the French do: because it's polite. If people insist on non-conformity (which is what wearing a Burkha in France actually is), they must accept that they'll stand out and call attention to themselves ("Lookit me! Lookit me!") and that this sort of behavior actually isn't polite -- it's Bad Manners. Same way, it's Bad Manners to wear a French bikini in Saudi Arabia -- and quite a bit more dangerous.
DaChieftain 1 month ago
Although I am not Muslim or middle eastern and do not agree with what the burka represents, France is definitely going too far by banning it. I would be absolutely disgusted if the United States did the same. As you said, it is ridiculous for a piece of clothing to be banned in a "free" country that is known for having "freedom of religion", especially when it is banned out of ignorant fear.
maynardfangirl 4 months ago
how do you feel about one being arested for indecent exposure, courts demanding formal atire? I one ran around in ski masks would they be arested in france or any other cuntry? the syle of dress does have religous and political motivations. do muslim women have a choice not to wear it, or to be non muslims?
Jusplais 4 months ago
small scale, schools in the u.s banning saggy pants?
Jusplais 4 months ago
Meh I don't think the Burqa is so much a religious thing, than it is a cultural symbol. It does represent the oppression of women, but people should still be allowed to wear what they choose.
FunnyJunkTV 6 months ago
honestly i dont see why women even wear them what are they hiding underneath there also its wierd
canderson2750 6 months ago
I'm french and I agree... And considering there is like 500 persons in France that actually wear a burka, this subject is just ridiculous. It takes big proportions for nothing.
KhanSeb 6 months ago
I support France. A burka is a piece of clothing like no other... I think a woman does not wear the burka, but the other way around, the burka wears the woman. Its more then a piece of cloth it's a statement of submission, invisibility, surrender. No woman is beautiful or ugly in a burka... it's just invisible, sexless, an extension of the men that supervise her body and mind... an uniform and a symbol for religious gender-based slavery.
shadman1911 6 months ago
So basically, France is fighting oppression of women by MAKING IT A CRIME FOR WOMEN TO BE OPPRESSED!? What's next, fighting AIDS by giving people HIV? "Take off that burqa, woman, for God's sake this is France not a third world country where you'd be made to do things you don't like."
rolfalmao 6 months ago
#32 ohh france you need to stop being scared of everything and no we do not need to bann the burqa in the U.S.
MrAjdaman 8 months ago
They live in their country and so they should either integrate into their society or leave, I wish we would do this too (Britain) - it's getting ridiculous. I absolutely refuse to believe we should allow people live in our country and pick and chose what parts of the traditional society they want to follow based on how it suits them.
On top of that I could write a whole essay on what the Burka is associated with in the Western countries, especially due to events in the last decade.
OriginalYTName 8 months ago
@OriginalYTName The problem we're having throughout the world is the discussion of freedom. When you give people more freedom you will let groups create themselves, religions get created, revolutionists speak. There will be more war, more violence, but at least people are free. I'd rather have freedom then oppression, even if it brings bad things (we'll deal with those things when they happen). Keep in mind that you might hate the Burka, but it's important to someone else. Continue...
Brittanysofficial 8 months ago
@OriginalYTName If a country stands for freedom then people should feel comfortable moving there and living life they way they see fit. This is a complicated discussion, depending on how you believe the world should run. In America we have laws that protect people from others trying to force something upon them. You can't rape, kill, force someone to marry others, in America. We have laws protecting individual rights. People can practice whatever they want, and people can leave that practice.
Brittanysofficial 8 months ago
@OriginalYTName In a perfect world, that means even is Muslims came here and forced their women to do crazy things, those women can leave and live safe lives in another state. They're bound to win in a court of law. In Muslim countries, if a woman tries to leave she's killed.
I personally, don't think any religion is real, so if you want peace, get rid of all religions, that way when people did something harmful they can't point to a religion and say it's okay.
Brittanysofficial 8 months ago
@OriginalYTName If we go extreme, we should go towards freedom.
Brittanysofficial 8 months ago 2
@Brittanysofficial I agree with all you said except one point. The burka is -not- simply an "style of clothing". It is incorrect to associate the burka with say sweatshirts or tank-tops. The burka has a deep symbolic and cultural meaning. It is designed to be a literal containment unit in order to surpress and even enslave women. It is used as a symbol of property and inequality. It is offensive to 100% of humanity.
If the burka is simply clothing than footbinding is a type of shoewear.
niknik2203 4 months ago
@niknik2203 I understand what you're saying, but I actually think the burka and hijab are beautiful and if I could make it casual wear, I would. The nun's habit used to be special but now girls wear it as a slutty halloween costumes. Clothing is clothing, yes it means something to someone out there, but to others it's just clothes. On a large scale, it doesn't matter. What matters is that people can wear them if they want.
Brittanysofficial 4 months ago
@Brittanysofficial yes, women should be allowed to wear the burka if they choose to. I kinda say that loosely because i think it's more a product of indoctrination than choice, but nontheless, it shouldn't be banned. I guess it's my hope that a time comes when no woman chooses to wear it or is expected to wear it.
But If the burka could become a "sluttly holloween costume" then i would -love- that. XD I hope it occurs in my lifetime but i fear not.
niknik2203 4 months ago
@niknik2203 wow! well done!! you are wrong the "Bhurka" is to protect females. they should wear it as soon as puberty hits them. like around 8-10. i personally avoid girls at college that cover up, i tend to go for the one that are lesser covered.
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@ItsTymedNews "you are wrong the "Bhurka" is to protect females."
Protect females from what? Men who can't control their sexual urges and may rape them?
We all know what the Burka is. You don't need to tell us.
niknik2203 1 month ago
@niknik2203 neither is the clothing of nuns and popes! even they shud stop wearing those things, but when it comes to muslims people r more than ready to attack there culture first!
waterpen27 3 weeks ago
@waterpen27 Average women on the street are not compelled to wear the nuns habit out of some twisted sense of modesty and ownership of women. Your example is not the same.
Islamic culture is hundreds of years behind judeo-christian culture and should advance into moderity. I criticise it because i care for the rights of Muslim women as i care for the rights of all other women. So should you criticise it too.
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borednerd74 6 months ago
@OriginalYTName Are you seriously saying that the Burka is the thing that is going to change how foreign people integrate in Britain? It's a part of their culture and it really doesn't affect you. If British people should only take part in things that are socially or culturally British, ban American style jazz musicians or ban McDonalds. I don't remember it being a tradition in Britain that you can't wear what you want either.
borednerd74 6 months ago
@borednerd74
So you're assuming culture is defined by country? No. It's Western culture in general, it's the same across all the major modernised countries of the Western hemisphere. Not taking into account obvious differences (accent, number plates etc..) you could drop someone in any modern city in the West and they wouldn't be able to tell what country they were in.
OriginalYTName 6 months ago
@OriginalYTName If our British culture has adapted to include lots of Western hemisphere cultures and visa versa why do you object at the Burka? The fact we have a Western Culture shows that we as a country have adapted to different cultures and ideas. If you look around those major modernised countries you see all different styles of clothing that people use to express different things about themselves. You haven't explained why the Burka particularly affects you or anybody else.
borednerd74 6 months ago
I think banning the Burka was completely the wrong decision. It encourages racism and takes away peoples rights, making them seem almost less human.
By banning the burka, it makes it seem that the population has something to fear because ever the government are scared of it. It's a basic right to be able to chose what you wear, so why do they have the right to take it away, where others in the county still have it? Everyone should have the same laws- no matter what religion
SweetAsAStrawberry 9 months ago
On the one hand, I the sort of culture that makes women wear Burkas turns my stomach. OR, even if a woman chooses it, I find the fact that these women are told they must wear such limiting clothing, covering their humanity, in order to please their God nearly as disgusting.
But, I can't ignore the fact that France is breaching basic human rights.
juliafoolya 10 months ago
my school is filled with teens who wear Burkas, i think they look pretty cool actually, what was Frances reason for banning it? was it legit? i dont think so, its clothing! get over it
KCJOHN08 10 months ago
im a msulim, and i agree with you. i like ur thoughts
saulafreak 10 months ago
I like this persons opinions and insight and responses to the matter of the Burqa Ban... so...I'm subscribing. :D
MyMadFX 10 months ago
@MyMadFX Thank you! Hope you continue to enjoy :)
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial No no thank you. I'm glad there is actually someone in this world that can see things from all angles. Your an inspiration! :D
MyMadFX 10 months ago
get back in the kitchen
printers 10 months ago
@printers I was just there. Got my coffee, now I'm back on the computer...
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
inb4 huge France / Middleeast war and the USA jumps in!..... what happens in france should stay in france :)
pitcrewsk8er2189 10 months ago
@pitcrewsk8er2189 It should stay in France. I'm just concerned what this means when a 'tolerant' country bans a religious thing like a Burka in the name of safety.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
The burqa has very little to do with religious customs, and a lot to do with how men and women are perceived in the middle-east. Woman wear burqas to hide themselves from men who apparently cannot control their urges. Only their husbands may see them uncovered. If this is the case in their own country, so be it. But if a woman wearing a burqa in my country is insinuating that I am not in control of myself, and could possibly be a threat to them, then I am highly offended.
papersplease 10 months ago 8
@papersplease I like the way you think about it, but legally removing that choice to do so can always get messy. Still, I like your justification.
AvatarFriday 10 months ago
@papersplease I understand the whole sexist mentality of Islam, but people do choose to follow that religion (I realize many are forced in awful counties). It doesn't matter what we think of a religion, it matters that people are allowed to believe in it and follow any and all customs that come with it. There are plenty of sexiest religions, I don't see people banning anything they do. And when they do, they shouldn't.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@papersplease
" then I am highly offended "
hahahaha LMAO .. you are crazy
david43034 9 months ago
There's an argument to be made that the burkas symbolise the oppression of women in the Islamic faith. France isn't an Islamic country and so shouldn't have to comply with their male superiority ideals.
frustrationhole 10 months ago
@frustrationhole France doesn't have to be a fan of Islam but they shouldn't be it's enemy, and still talk about how tolerant they are.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
Actually France's reasoning behind banning the burka wasn't because they were fearful of the people wearing them. On the contrary, they wanted to unite their country, so when someone sees a woman walking down the street they don't think, "She's Muslim." They would just think "She's French." (I actually have friends in France who explained this ordeal to me.)
MsBrigidClare 10 months ago
@MsBrigidClare She might be French, but she's sill Muslim, a believer in Islam. And because she believes in her Gawd, Allah, she will practice her religious customs. Whatever they are, even if it means wearing a burka. I guess I don't see how France doesn't get that. I wish countries would unite their people through their differences, instead through their similarities.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial ...
There is nothing in the Quran that directs women to cover their faces.
raultalbot7 10 months ago
@raultalbot7 Being raised Catholic and no longer a believer, I will tell you there's a lot of things that aren't in a lot of books. But people still do them. If I had the choice, no one would follow a religion they couldn't prove. They could base things off of logic and what we could prove. But since the world doesn't work my way, it has to work it's way. I've learned to live in a world with people that think differently than me. Maybe France and people that back them up, should do the same.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial I do not agree with the mentality, however I was just informing you of it. I do agree with you about how countries should unite through differences, especially since the similarities don't seem to be enough. Having religious and non-religious friends, I've come to learn that they'd prefer that everyone be of one religion or state of mind. But if everyone were that way then the world would be far less interesting. May not get what you want, but you'll get what you need.
MsBrigidClare 10 months ago
Why, do Muslims migrate to a democratic society and nation and insist that the country to which they have entered, change to suit their religion and customs? If these ideologies are so important to them, why not stay where these religious customs are a part of their lifestyles?
raultalbot7 10 months ago
@raultalbot7 Not all Muslims are violent people and sadly the countries that are Muslim, are also run by evil people. The evil isn't dictated directly from the religion, but from the corruption of the people. There are tons of religions out there, Christianity included, that I think people shouldn't bother believing in. But I'll be the first to defend the right to believe in any religion you want, no matter how silly the religion or customs seem to me. Stop those who only directly cause pain.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial ...
I didn't say all muslims are violent and who says they don't have a right to believe in their religion? Today’s adherence to literal interpretations of the veil, largely by Muslims ignorant of the true dictates of their own religion, are thus actually derived from cultural misogyny, which claims, falsely, to have a basis in the divine. France is a secular state and believe wearing the burqa is a not-so-subtle message of fundamentalism.
raultalbot7 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficia I wasn't accusing you of saying anything. I was answering your question. The reason Muslims don't stay in countries that are Islamic is because of the corruption. It's why they immigrate to countries like America or France. Not only that, but some people just like to move around. Many Muslims do like capitalism. They aren't any different from anyone else.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial ...
You didn't answer my question... why do they insist that the country to which they have entered, change to suit their religion and customs? If you were to move to another country... would you respect their laws no matter how silly you think they might be?
raultalbot7 10 months ago
@raultalbot7 I think I misunderstood what you were aiming at. I disagree with people changing most things to fit outrageous requests. I would need you to give me an example, there are so many we could choose from. But Burka's were never banned until now. This is a new thing brought on by the increase in Muslim population in France. I understand the fear for safety. But I understand the fear of tyranny more. I'd rather avoid that than anything else.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial ...
Yes, it is a new thing, brought on by muslims refusal to assimilate. Muslims are not the only religion France places restrictions on...Jews are not allowed to wear the skullcap in public, Christains are not allowed to wear or display large crucifixes. Public display of worship is also banned...and we know how well muslims follow that rule.
raultalbot7 10 months ago
@raultalbot7 And I'm enjoying our conversation :) Glad to be discussing it with someone in length.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial ...
Me too!
raultalbot7 10 months ago
I am married and both my wife and I choose not to wear them. There is no "ownership". Just like I do not push her to change her las name to mine, antiquated tradition that makes women loose their identity. I am very in favor of banning sagging. I really want police to issue tickets for indecent exposure when men are showing half their underwear. Sagging to me represents very little or no intelligence. My daughters show half a diaper I pull up their pants, in their defense, THEY ARE BABIES!
celebro469 10 months ago
One word. No, end of discussion
oscar2hot4u 10 months ago
As a black male seeing as how various people have tried to ban sagging pants I disagree with banning people from wearing a burka. If you're that scared over the people who wear them than why not tighten up security? Put metal detectors or some other form of high end security in the places your worry about. If a terrorist wants to do harm to others, having or not having a burka wont change anything.
To me thats another form of racial profiling, evil has no guaranteed look.
bigjamesbrown 10 months ago
@bigjamesbrown I concur! Banning of sagging pants just shows how silly we've become as people. And I agree about tightening up security. And they will tell you that by banning the burka they are protecting people. But like you said, ban the burka and a terrorist will find another way. Thanks for the comment :)
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
i would understand why they would ban it just because like you said for sercuirty reasons but i feel like the law should state you cant wear them in certain places that is my opin ion on the subject and yersshh
everydaykidinus 10 months ago
I hope this doesn't catch on. European Fascism tends to cross the Atlantic into the American Government, where this will warp into an anti-semitic law. Those pushing this wouldn't let a minor inconvenience like unconstitutionality stop it. Gotta love the nanny state.
Slipknotyk06 10 months ago
I don't see the point in why burkas are banned (for the record i honestly didn't know what a burka was until i watched this...), I mean, people who get parranoid about terrorism when they see a burka might feel SOME kind of relief, but the burka doesn't make the terrorist. I mean, even without the burka there will be terrorists (maybe anyway), and then people would become parranoid about anyone who looked middle-eastern. And besides, its almost like American government banning jeans. Sort of...
FluffyPuff16 10 months ago
This is an interesting development seeing as France banned "conspicuous religious symbols" in public schools in 2004. A law promoting secularity which also included jewish skullcaps and large christian crosses. However, officials made clear their main aim was to outlaw the headscarf to combat "extremist influence" among a minority of France's five million Muslims. (which to me sounds stupidly counter-productive)
english.aljazeera.n et/archive/2004/09/200841015943160962.html
cl1mbat1ze 10 months ago
The ban on Burkas now almost seems like a continuation of this political direction.
To say that France is fearful may be correct, but they are not the only ones. All over Europe
a negative attitude against immigrants and muslims is steadily rising. There are many reasons for this.
One is that the main bulk of immigrants are people seeking asylum (political refugees etc.)
cl1mbat1ze 10 months ago
instead of worker - immigrants. And there are alot of people seeking asylum. So in some countries
people may fear losing their national identity or culture, or fear of unskilled refugees becoming
a tax on their economy, which is a perfectly legitimate fear.
There are offcourse alot of political parties taking advantage of these fears,
one such example being Denmark(plenty of other examples, but they're my neighbour country)
cl1mbat1ze 10 months ago
where the public opinion gave rise to the danish peoples party (anyone claiming to be a representative of the people is usually bad news lol).
A far-right party, whose leader in the party's newsletter referred to Muslims as people who "...lie, cheat and deceive.". They
are currently the third largest party in Denmark...
Offcourse the US "war on terror" isn't helping either, corrupting attitudes towards muslims throughout the west.
cl1mbat1ze 10 months ago
So this ban on burkas may seem stupid(It IS stupid), but this is most likely just a law enacted to garner votes or support for the current
administration. Because the REAL problem is the growing fear of immigrants, muslims and foreigners throughout Europe, and
politicians using, even creating through the war on terrorism and other bullshit like that, that fear. Wow that was longer than i thought, like wtf
cl1mbat1ze 10 months ago
i think what should be illegal is the forcing to wear burqas. like you said, who the fuck cares if a person seriously wants to wear one because it means something to them? until it starts harming other people, it should be left up to personal choice.
parisianpancakes 10 months ago
BURKAS ARE BEAUTIFUL!
BlackRoseRocket 10 months ago
the government doesn't have the right to decide what we wear
samy229 10 months ago
While I understand and respect it I still think that what France is doing is correct. My personal belief towards the burqa is it is a piece of clothing that tells the world "I am not equal to my husband". He can wear anything he chooses in public. It is almost like branding, it says to the world "I am muslim, a woman, no one but my husband or children can see me". We should be moving to a future of equality and abolish absurd antiquated close mindedness.
celebro469 10 months ago
@celebro469 Then what do you think about a wedding ring? Like burkas, they're optional to wear, but you can also be forced to wear them. And the wedding ring does signify ownership and has meant that historically. So, why not ban wedding rings? Also, shouldn't the government deal with the ISSUE that is inequality, if that were the case?
Also, you said "He can wear anything he choses to in public". How does that solve the issue, if she isn't allowed to wear what she wishes to wear, a burka?
awxish 10 months ago
I'm surprised this happened in France before it happened in the US. Scary..
awxish 10 months ago
We do have this discussion in Germany too. In my opinion France has the right to ban the burka, because otherwise the immigrants won't be integrated in the society. The women wearing a burka would exclude theirselves from any foreign society. They would never be employed due to their style of clothing. So their only option would be being a housewife.
TheRedstar91 10 months ago
@TheRedstar91 If that were the case, shouldn't the French government work on integrating them instead of just fueling the ideal that "if you don't look like the rest of us, you have no life here"? Seems like that's not the real reason..
awxish 10 months ago
@awxish
of course. just saying "burkas are evil" doesn't solve the problem of too little integration of the muslims into the western society. but in order to be able to integrate these people in the society, the burka has to be banned.
TheRedstar91 10 months ago
@TheRedstar91 So what, when the burka is banned, all cultural division will VANISH? Like magic? The issue of cultural integration will not be solved by telling people that they can't practice their culture in public. That is why I said that the French government should deal with the issue of cultural integration, if that is the real issue behind this, which I doubt.. (post-911 paranoia, perhaps?)
awxish 10 months ago
they are banning them because the women don't like wearing the burkas but they are forced to wear them. Not because they don't like the people.
Falcons8455 10 months ago
@Falcons8455 How can you speak for every woman in an entire culture?
awxish 10 months ago
@awxish because i just did! ahahahahahahahahaaaaa. You get NOTHING. You LOSE. I said good day SIR!
Falcons8455 10 months ago
@Falcons8455 ...I assume that's your way of avoiding defending your offensive, shallow assumption. Pretty sure you lose.
awxish 10 months ago
I think it suck's
mgenetiano 10 months ago
You said they have to show their faces in certain places like banks for security reasons but couldn't you just rob anyone anywhere and not show your face because of the burka?
hardworker424 10 months ago
@hardworker424 Then should ski masks also be banned? What about sunglasses? It's the same thing.
awxish 10 months ago
@awxish Sunglasses only marginally helps in identification. Wearing a ski mask is unnoticeable when it's really cold outside but that's it. You already can't wear a ski mask in businesses. People will think you're trying to rob them.
hardworker424 10 months ago
@hardworker424 Hence, when entering a bank or high-security situation, remove the burka. Don't ban them entirely. I personally don't mind (obviously) when a woman walks by me with a burka. That's unnoticeable. So, why is it so much more of a threat to see someone with a burka than a ski mask in winter?
awxish 10 months ago
@hardworker424 Yes. But that goes for everything. This whole thing is about paranoia. You see something stealing something, knock them down. You see a Muslim woman walking around, minding her own business, leave her alone. If you see her steal something, then knock her down. Listen, on certain days I feel like crap and wear a black sweater that covers my face. I wear huge glasses and even a beanie. Sometimes I don't want others seeing my face. I don't want people telling me what I can't wear.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial People generally don't knock people down when they're doing something illegally. Cops are happy enough when someone sees something illegal and comes forward to say so. The government already regulates what you can wear. Try to go naked and see what happens. Even too skimpy of a bathing suit can get you in trouble depending on the beach.
hardworker424 10 months ago
@hardworker424 Well, In california I've never seen anyone have trouble with what they were wearing/barley wearing. We have nude beaches here. I get why we have nudity laws, but wearing too much clothing law? It's just silly. People like to think they are protecting people by preventing something they ASSUME is going to happen. React only to when things happen, not before.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial its not about wearing too much clothing, dont turn it into a silly argument about that, its about avoiding identification and allowing anyone (man, women, saint or terrorist) to get that special treatment by putting on a mask. Also `react only to when things happen, not before` is abhorrent logic, its the reason we all hate bush and why we all love preventative medicine, that line of reasoning alone is meaningless in this conversation
simsimaz2 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial Are you serious!? "React only to when things happen, not before." So drunk drivers should only be prosecuted unless they damage a car or kill someone. How about a couple of guys wearing ski masks in a unmarked windowless van outside of an elementary school? There are tons of laws that are created specifically so you react before hand and no one gets hurt.
hardworker424 10 months ago
@hardworker424 I understand that reaction of outrage from you. We've become so paranoid that we've started to ban everything for 'safety.' Like legalizing pot, people are thinking it'll cause more damage if we do that, but we don't know that. Pot should be legal because people should have the right to smoke it if they want. People should be able to do certain things and then deal with the aftermath, whatever that is. Drinking and driving is something we've seen 99% of the time be dangerous.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@hardworker424 We don't have 99% percent of people in Burka's causing trouble. People need to deal with things better. I'm not saying I have the answer, but either does France.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial I can't find the exact wording of the French law but if it says you can't wear items that prohibit identification that include ski masks, burqa and other masks than it's arguably straight security. If it specifically says no burqas then it's racist for picking out one type. Go google ski masks illegal the first hit gets you to snopes and in that the second post shows how in North Carolina that masks are banned in public unless for legit reasons. Probably other states too.
hardworker424 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial Its not about muslim woman brittney, but ANYONE can hide under there and no one would know would they, thats the problem, no the nice muslim grandmas, and the only way to address that serious problem is to dis allow face covering for everyone. And it IS a problem, both in the western and arab world, that the burqa is abused by `non-nice-muslim-grandmas` for illegal activity, denying that it happens is not helpful (like in my country were men go into women`s washrooms with it)
simsimaz2 10 months ago
"first they put away the dealers, keep our kids safe and off the street, then they put away the prostitutes, keep married men posted at home. then they shooed away the bums, then they beat back the queers, its funny there was no one left to notice when they came for us...." nofx
skidwilldanceforyou 10 months ago
Its basically banning a religion! It's like, how would you like it if you lived in , I don't know, somewhere where the majority of the population is Muslim, and they banned you from wearing what you wear and forced you to wear what they did??
urmomicous 10 months ago
@urmomicous I know it's been a month but I would like to add that you're right. My parents grew up in Iraq, during a time when it was controlled by violent muslims. They're Catholic but had to be careful about showing their religious items. My dad has a muslim name because you have to name your kids a Muslim name. His middle name is Catholic, but that didn't matter to the Muslims in charge. No one should have the right to tell other people what they can wear.
Brittanysofficial 8 months ago
While those particular items of clothing have a certain basis in patriarchal society, I think that it's ridiculous to ban burqas, hijabs, yamakas, Christian crosses, turbans, temple robes, or, for that matter, short skirts, baggy jeans, Crocs...
As long as certain security measures are not being resisted (for example, women wearing burqas should agree to something like going into a separate room to be identified/etc. by female security personnel), people should be allowed to dress as they wish.
moscowmasha 10 months ago
@moscowmasha
When I Googled this, an interesting article from The Guardian came up - "Behind the burqa ban's reasoning" by Andrew Brown. It discusses both sides of the issue, so I would recommend reading it!
moscowmasha 10 months ago
well america cant ban burqas, its part of a religion and a tradition and wTould be unconstitutional. Not all muslims are terrorists, dont be afraid of a culture that your not familiar with.
TheOkayCommenter 10 months ago
if you wanna wear that damn thing go to your own country to wear it
sjsharks789 10 months ago
@sjsharks789 Silly boy, logic is for smart people.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
I think that it is completely ridiculous and fucked up that Burkas are banned. When I first heard about the news from someone, I thought they had been tricked by the Onion. Denying people their right to wear what they want for the sake of others' ignorance is completely the wrong way to deal with any issue. I'm surprised that this happened in France. Anyway the ban should be lifted and people should get their heads out of their arses and be tolerant of anyone and any culture. :D
IamGilgamesh666 10 months ago 3
@IamGilgamesh666 Are you saying because their face is covered, it's like I'm talking to their back? Because their eyes are showing and even if they aren't, it's like talking to someone with sun glasses on. It doesn't matter if I can't see their eyes. I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding your point.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial
Sorry, I don't see how my comment is unclear.... I'm saying that people SHOULD be able to wear Burkas without doubt. :D
IamGilgamesh666 10 months ago
@IamGilgamesh666 I wish it was The Onion! Then I could laugh about this whole thing.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
I think its absolutely awful and terrifying that they would even CONSIDER doing such a thing. If we do it here in America, I'm moving. I don't personally wear one nor am i of the religion that does, but i think its a very scary thing for a government to do.
TheCassiFish 10 months ago
oh my fuck, its just a piece of clothing get over it seriously, what if they break into a house etc, they wont be able to be recognised by cctv or anything. not being racist but its so much easier to hide weapons/bombs aswell... think about this.
LolMattie 10 months ago
@LolMattie
Yeah but you could wear a baggy hoody for the purpose of concealment too but they're not banned. And it's more than a piece of clothing for the ones who wear it. If it is just a piece of clothing anyway, then surely nobody should care if it's worn. Oh and I don't think that there is any one person in this world who would choose a feckin Burka to cover their faces if they broke into a house. :D:D
IamGilgamesh666 10 months ago
all women everywhere should unite in protest and stand naked in the streets! All Hail The Naked Women Protest!!!!
lastcallbeam 10 months ago
@lastcallbeamI I'm down for a naked protest!
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
good video i believe you
Tollie2759 10 months ago
If everyone you talked to turned their back on you when talking I guess you would be fine with that, if these people don't want to be seen by others they should go and live in the wilderness.
Bananayoghurt1000 10 months ago
@Bananayoghurt1000 I don't even understand that comment. Are you being sarcastic?
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial no, if you think it's fine for people to go around with their face covered then you should have no problem if everyone you know turns their back when talking to you, no problem at all and if you did that would make you a hypocrite, I would guess however if people did turn their backs you would be insulted and righly so, and their rights to face whatever way they want would not be a concern to you.
Bananayoghurt1000 10 months ago
I know I sound like a redneck here but, the bigger the government, the smaller your liberties... that's what's happening in France, and that's what we should NEVER allow to happen in our beloved nation.
Love your vids... if you feel like it, come check mine.
Later!
DannybagDarrell 10 months ago
@DannybagDarrell I agree. The government shouldn't tell me how to dress, who to marry (assuming it's consenting), what to eat, what to listen too, or what to believe.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@DannybagDarrell
You should look into the patriot act
Bananayoghurt1000 10 months ago
this isnt the first time a government bans any sort of dress.... you cant walk out of your house naked and theres a reason for that... banning the burqa in public has a similar reason (see my previous comment where i say what the reason is)
simsimaz2 10 months ago
Your right, the clothing is not a threat to anyone! its usually nice muslim women who wear it. The threat is from people who abuse the system, refuse to get IDed, smuggle using it etc... and this happens today in both the arab and western worlds, thats the threat, not nice old muslim grandmas, their awesome :)
simsimaz2 10 months ago
@simsimaz2 Exactly!
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
France = Racist.
BrettWieckhoff 10 months ago
@BrettWieckhoff France = Fearful.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago 2
@Brittanysofficial Even better.
BrettWieckhoff 10 months ago
The Hijab/Burka is an invasion of my right. Because, I cannot see that persons face. Islam, has a history of terrorism, unfortunately. Which means that if we allowed it to be legal, these people could possibly get away with crimes. Moreover, criminals might come and use this to their advantage. If they are in fact that religious, they should not be living in this society, because we are getting pass religion now. We cannot step back in time, just for these people, sorry.
illuminatijews 10 months ago
@illuminatijews It is not an invasion of your privacy. That's a lie and fear talking. You have no RIGHT over how other people dress. You have a right to be afraid or offended, but nothing else.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial
I said it was an invasion of my right, my human rights. And your right, I am afraid, Im afraid for the reasons i stated above. This is a double standard, there are lots of things that bother me with this: for one, in islamic countries, foreigners are treated unfairly, islamic governments do not go out of there way to make there society more suitable for the foreigners living there. So, this is what bothers me, you come here, expecting us to change, when you dont change.
illuminatijews 10 months ago
Silly france
shallowbay69 10 months ago
As a European (Netherlands) i think its a great thing they are banned.
Here they are allowed, and the customs came out with some numbers a couple years ago, a LOT of illegals are getting into the country by using the Burqua wearer`s passport.
Since the wearers are claiming they cant take off the head bit when taking a ID, Passport, Driving licence picture.
So here is a passport with a person wearing a black burqua, and all you can see are the eyes.
m0j0NL 10 months ago
@m0j0NL This is wrong. People who wear burka's or hijab's should be willing to take them off if asked, but only if the asking is justified - like ID's, and at the work place.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
Wow, France needs to check themeselves
Domingo0022IWAY 10 months ago
I agree with you.No one just wears a burqa for fun,a woman who wears it does so to please her creator.I know women who wear it personally,educated ,and they do it for greater connection with their lord.And in a democracy no one must be told what to wear and what not to.
teachatot 10 months ago
okay last comment, sorry for the spurge of comments. I agree fully that people should be allowed to wear a burqa, and no they shouldnt ban it in the states. But I do believe that the French should be allowed to ask and answer that same question, and be respected for which ever decision they make as that is what is right for them.
RussTheBusker 10 months ago
@RussTheBusker You can comment as many times as you like :)
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
i'm sorry, but i kinda understand why france banned it, and im not saying i support it im just saying that i THINK i understand why... dont hate me :P
The95Alex 10 months ago
@The95Alex I don't hate you :) You can have any opinion you want. I understand why they THINK they can justify the banning.
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
I don't know about France, but in Belgium, many people wish the burka would be banned too probably but for a different reason. Okay, it is /weird/ seeing someone in a burka, but that wouldn't be the reason here. Here, we have the culture and mindset of "people shouldn't show any form of their religion in public".
but yeah, this is belgium. idk about france
BrenKass 10 months ago
This is like banning bling bling cause gangsters wear it around their neck and they kill people.
RcascadeD 10 months ago
@RcascadeD
That is actually kind of a good analogy.
moscowmasha 10 months ago
All the comments are too large LOL
MrLalo94 10 months ago
@MrLalo94 haha I love it when people comment in paragraphs!
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial I love it when people read my comments.. oh my, i'm about to cry xD
MrLalo94 10 months ago
I accept that you say that this is wrong, but you must understand that your statement is a very american point of view. We may think that is wrong being that we grew up in a society where that is unheard of, however this is not so far-fetched over there. Without trying to offend you at all, as you know i have a great deal of respect for you, consider this as a question, who are you to say that is wrong for the French to pass this law
RussTheBusker 10 months ago
@RussTheBusker i'm sorry you didnt make any valid points. Give reasons for why it might not seem far fetched for this law to be passed? and I'll answer your question: she's an intelligent person with an informed opinion.
aFriendlyArab 10 months ago
@aFriendlyArab in french culture, this is quite an acceptable thing.
RussTheBusker 10 months ago
@aFriendlyArab granted, its been heavily debated, however, it was passed. Which says something. Now I may not personally agree with the law, however I really have no say in the matter. This is a French matter, pertaining to the French. I had lived in France a few years ago and so I have a pretty good grasp on how the French view this matter, not in an opinion sort of way, as those differ between people, but how the matter is viewed in a subject kind of way.
RussTheBusker 10 months ago
@aFriendlyArab and as for your answer, I do agree she is very intelligent. I didnt mean for the question to be in any way insulting, but more of a question to ponder over. See I respect her opinion and agree with a lot of what she has to say. However, I meant the question to be asked from more of an objective point of view, Is a young adult American able to give a valid argument to a French culture topic without knowledge and understanding of French culture?
RussTheBusker 10 months ago
@RussTheBusker I am not telling the French what to do. I get where you are coming from. Your video was very informative on the French culture. It would be wrong for anyone to tell France what to do, but people should voice their opinion about this issue. If the American people voice their opinion now about this, then the government will know what they face if they ever tried to that here. :)
Brittanysofficial 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial yeah, were on the same page.
RussTheBusker 10 months ago
@Brittanysofficial
I have a feeling that there may not be that much of a resistance, actually. Do you remember the reaction when a Muslim community center was arranged to be built several blocks away from Ground Zero? People are quite fearful here, too.
moscowmasha 10 months ago
It's not just in banks, but in ANY commercial establishment. It would be like walking into a store wearing a ski-mask. Even up here in Montreal, where it's cold enough to freeze the balls off of a brass monkey, people are expected to remove anything that covers their face if they are indoors in a commercial district. You mentioned it briefly, but I think you downplayed its significance. (continued)
FangFiftyFive 10 months ago
@FangFiftyFive
If someone walks into a store with ANYTHING that completely covers their face and the store-owner is uncomfortable about it when the person refuses to remove it, it is because it prevents the person to be identifiable. There is nothing xenophobic about that.
To a lesser degree, the same is if someone is walking down the street with something like that. Of course, there is an exception if the weather mandates otherwise, but it's a matter of public safety.
FangFiftyFive 10 months ago
@FangFiftyFive
People are uncomfortable among people who intentionally cover their faces. Like it or not, their reasons for it are justified.
FangFiftyFive 10 months ago
@FangFiftyFive
You make an interesting point. However, aren't those expectations merely implied? I don't think that there's a law against keeping one's face covered when inside, in Montreal or elsewhere. I mean, somewhere in the world, perhaps, but not generally...
moscowmasha 10 months ago
I would like to point out that they are not directing this towards a people, the law doesnt discriminate against people, its directed towards everyone equally.
RussTheBusker 10 months ago