@PlaymakerSeries you said the lakers don't have to score 100. they do. obviously you have to win the game as well, but LA has to score 100 while holding the opposing team to under 100.
@DanJos89 I know what I said. They do not have to score 100 points. I've been to games, I've gotten free tacos when we haven't scored 100. Do some research. All it takes is a simple Google search of "Lakers free tacos", 3rd link from the top, Aol News will tell you that we do not need to score 100 points.
He did it to please the fans. Free tacos from Jack in the Box if LA scores 100 and holds their opponent to under 100. Come on people, you call yourself fans? Free tacos courtesy of the Machine because of that 3!
@gangster21ification He did it so that the Fans can get free tacos. If LA scores 100 or more while the opposing scores less than 100 then its free tacos.
my favorite part of the video is the end with the spurs showing ultimate sportsmanship..the lakers and spurs ALWAYS have great respect for each other after all the battles from the past that led them to their titles.
@dixonmixin10 Lol showing ur true bandwagon-ness... this is 08. we played DENVER sweep. utah 6. and spurs 5 en route to boston winning the title. houston was conference semi's the next season.
they led with 17 in the 2nd, and with 10 in the 3rd! great series, just sad that the end of Game 4 was rigged in the favor of the lakers! Man L.A always wins the tight once, wonder why? 2008: game 6 vs Utah, semis. Game 1,4 and 5 vs Spurs. 2009: Game 7 vs Rockets, semis. Game 1 and 3 vs Denver. Game 2 and 4 vs Orlando. 2010: Game 2 and 6 vs OKC. Game 1 and 3 vs Utah,semis. Game 5 vs Suns. Finals Game 7 vs Boston, look at all the freethrows,possesions.. we all knew that one was fixed,02vsKings?!
@th3kingx everytime the lakers score 100+ and the other team score less than 100 they give free tacos to the fun... sasha was a hero coz he got us some TACOOOOOOSSSS!!!
have you noticed that kobe was beasting in the beggining of this season and had lift and in one summer he lost it like at the start of the 2008-2009 season
i totally agree with lakers24pwnz kobe has a much better form lebron puts a kind of side spin on his shot sometimes i do not know how it goes in and i will give it to the cavs fans that lebron is having a better year clearly but kobe has dealt with injury after injury i mean cmon and he is still having a good year. i bet if lebron got injured as much as kobe this year he would be playing poorly
haha i'm sorry, being a Celtics fans I really don't like either one... but anybody who thinks that Kobe is better than LeBron right now is an absolute moron, or just blinded by their love of Kobe. LeBron is practically averaging a triple double, doesn't take nearly as many shots, and prior to this season he was doing it with significantly less talent around him. Like I said, I hate em both, but LeBron is the clear cut MVP of the league.
i'll give you the fundamentals thing, but shooting? not right now. LeBron has a better field goal percentage. LeBron is just the better player right now, and he has proven he can do more with less talent.
nah... dude its not about percentage... its about form.... kobes form is 100x better than lebrons... and the history of kobes shot is way better than lebrons
@NSDBaseball2 look at kobe's highlight videos when shaq left kobe had nobody just a bunch of young guys he's scored 81 points outscored a team 63-61 and a lot more i like lebron but c'mon really? kobe is just the better player
@NSDBaseball2 LeBron may have better stats, but he doesn't really make his team better than Kobe does if you look at the Lakers' players' history. Pau - 08 Griz couldn't convince any other teams he was worth his contract which is why the Lakers got him for cap space. Odom - been on the trading block since 06, was a free agent in 09, only MIA even offered him a contract. Artest - "Took a paycut" but no other team offered him a deal. Ariza - Not even on the active roster on most teams he played.
@NSDBaseball2 Derek Fisher - came off the bench for 85% of his career. Andrew Bynum had a handful of good games in his career and mostly underachieved even before his injuries. Luke Walton, Sasha V., Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown...if they weren't on the Lakers, they wouldn't even be in the NBA anymore.
This was Kobe's best game of his career. Clinching game against the world champs and he just took it right at them. Best quotes of the night: "C'mon Marv" and a constantly repeated "Bryant...yes!" Best player on the planet. His will demoralizes opponents. Duncan was his bitch...all night long.
Kobe's more badass than Lebron. He beat the CRAP out of out of some dude yesterday night in NYC after he called him a nigger , the guy was demolished. TMZ posted the video at tmzfights. com
MattMisGOD you couls say that but...lebron doesn't have the Lakers squad so stop saying only if I bet last year if people knew the Cavs were getting Shaq they would think they would be unstoppable but so far...Cavs aint shit really they pulled a few wins out the ass but if lebron is really better than kobe he would be better wit Shaq even if Shaq is Old..
and don't say it has 2 take time for them to mesh because they both are highly experianced. F4 example how fast di mo mesh with Cavs KB>LBJ
The Cavs should be unstoppable just because they picked up an old big guy, that is putting up terrible numbers, already proving that he can't stay healthy, and letting the team down more than he is helping?
Being the best player in the league and not being in the discussion of the best center in the league are very different.
Just wait. Your Laker squad will start having away games and more than 6 teams against .600 soon. Then you'll see. Lakers are 3-3 against teams that are .600 or better.
Hell, I don't even know why I bothered with you. We have proven that Lebron did better, even if you take out Kobe's first 2 years and act like he DIDN'T get a full seasons worth of practice by dividing his minutes played the first two years as his career average as a starter.
And to think, part of your defense was to take away his low scoring seasons to help his average, but count them when you went for his average career minutes a game. Absolutely pathetic.
"And to think, part of your defense was to take away his low scoring seasons to help his average, but count them when you went for his average career minutes a game. Absolutely pathetic."
Youre twisting all of it...take away his low scoring seasons and he still plays less minutes than lebron but scores more...add his low scoring seasons and he has better point average per minute than lebron...
Why are you so dead set on points? He has shitty field goal percentage. Let lebron shoot as much as Kobe, and he'll have higher. It's that simple, the fact that he has a higher field goal percentage with less shots taken prove that, so stop your rant about 'oh Kobe shoots tons so he gets more points so he da best in da world!', but it's flat out retarded.
Points per minute means nothing, when Lebron scores more PPG and much better FG %.
I started it? HA! I'm the one trying to tell you to count field goal percentage, and the fact that Kobe just flat out shoots more every season, and that if you gave Lebron the same amount of shots that he'd have higher. It's obvious that Lebron is a better scorer, he's more consistent AND averages more with a field goal percentage that dominates Kobe. Again, outside of their rookie season, Lebron's worst season is better than Kobe's best. Sad, right?
so how come when you wanna make a point its ok to go "outside of lebron's rookie season" but when I try to make a point by excluding the 2 years kobe played less than 2 quarters a game it's trying twisting the truth???
and seriously im done here, im not going to convince you, youre not going to convince me, theres no point in doing this...good luck next season, hopefully your boy will win that ring because there are no more excuses for him...has a great team, lets see what he can do
I wasn't trying to take away his season to defend him like you were, I was simply saying that it's only fair to take off Lebron's first year of experience if you keep taking Kobe's first year of experience(and I was counting 2 as 1 by adding the minutes up, and dividing by his average minutes as a starter). But...no, you say that's not fair. Funny.
He came off of the bench. He wasn't defended for shit, because he was a bench player, Lebron was the star of the team...BIG difference, kid.
Because you know...when you're a bench player...you're not worried about very much, since there are bigger fish to base your defense on, where Lebron was the only 'big fish' that the other teams need to defend, which put all of the pressure on him. Making it MUCH harder. So he had to play more minutes, and got MUCH better defense, while Kobe sit on the bench and played when the starter was just resting.
He does have a good team now, that HE made without management trading a Kwame for Gasol.
And don't even try to keep making excuses about Kobe being on the bench. He still played a years worth of minutes his first two years, and he had it MUCH easier. It is easier to score when you come off of the bench, and you're a nobody soon to be rapist averaging low points, but when you're 18, the leader of the team, and the best defenders on YOU for 40 minutes your rookie season, it's much harder to score.
like if he won that title and dominated and got finals mvp, he woulda been cemented as one of the greatest ever and people woulda been talkin bout laker dynasty
but the way they lost and that they lost and the way kobe wasnt the best player on the olympic team and then wade and lebron were both better than him this year
i dont know, kobe could just be pacing himself and dominate the finals this year and cement himself anyways, god knows he's great enough to do it
anyone else think last years nba finals kind-of took the aura of invincibility away from kobe?
i mean the 3 titles, the killer instanct, the lockdown mode defense, the big 4th quarters, then the way he CARRIED singlehandedly that team in 06 and 07, then they break out and get gasol, he tears up the west playoffs easily, then the finals happens and since then he just aint looked at the same and aint really played the same, am i wrong?
There are 2 other guard/forwards that are better scorers and defensive players than Kobe in the league right now.
He has only made the playoffs 1 time in his 12 year career while being the only allstar on the team, and only made it 5 games. Oh, and it took nearly 10 years for him to do that. Lebron made it to the Finals in his 3rd season with no allstar.
He singlehandedly carried his Lakers to a pathetic first round loss in 06-07...your point?
A role player? Get serious. When you have 2 guys on your team that average more than 25 a game, you've got 2 superstars. Kobe's the best scorer in the league right now and a top 3-5 perimeter defender.
05-06 he was the only all-star and he carried them to 7 games against Phoenix. 07-08 Gasol and Bynum weren't all-stars that year and he CARRIED them to the finals.
Lebron at 21 got swept by the same Spurs team that Kobe swept at age 21.
If Kobe is the best scorer, then how come he isn't top 2 in points, and worse field goal percentage than the other top 2 scorers in the league?
He has, BY FAR, better help than Wade and Lebron...which would mean he would get much easier shots...and he does, and he STILL can't get a better field goal percentage.
05-06 he also had a Lamar Odom that played all*star quality in the playoffs, averaging 20 points and nearly 10 boards.
Odom averaged 15 and 8. That's NOT all-star quality.And he hardly ever stepped up to be that second scorer. Kobe carried them to 45 wins that year. 35 points a game. 27 40+ point games.
NOW he does. Wade had Shaq when he got his ring and Lebron had Ilgauskus, who was an allstar the previous 2 years. So you say that like those two guys were helpless. They had help. And if Lebron IS that good, he would have beat the spurs.
Newsflash: Kobe beat those same spurs that 23 lost to.
07-08 - Gasol averaged 22 points, 9 boards, better field goal percentage than Kobe, and 5 assists in the first round.
Second round, Gasol and Odom both averaged 18 points a game, and Gasol had about 8.5 boards a game and Odom had nearly 12. Gasol also shot 56%, Odom 59%, and Kobe a pathetic 49%
3rd round, Gasol and Odom both had near double doubles.
Finals, Kobe averages 40.5% FG, 25 PPG, and Odom/Gasol nearly had double doubles and over 50% FG.
1st round: Gasol stepped up, you got that. But Kobe got 49 and 10 and stepped up in both of those games in Denver and had 16 of his 31 in the 4th quarter of the clincher.
2nd round, Gasol went agains Okur. Okur is softer than Gasol. Kobe averaged 30+ and got 30+ 5 times against an all-league defender in Kirilenko.
3rd round: Besides Tim Duncan, who else is in the post down there? Kobe led the combacks in Games 1 and 4 and took them to victory in Game 5.
Nothing you have said changes anything. In no way can you say someone carried a team when you have other players playing above all star quality in some of the series, and having 2 people averaging near double doubles.
Oh, and Kobe averaging 40.5% FG in the finals...lmao. I'm not too sure why you all talk about him being able to shoot so well just because he makes a few hard shots and a few lucky last minute shots. 40.5%...lmao
how good do u expect kobe to shoot when all the attention is on him and he's always getting double team, i didnt see odom or gasol get doubled more than once. so fuck field goal %
Lebron got swept by a team that easily beat every team in the playoffs with a team that would have been lucky to win 10 games the season without him.
Lebron also had far superior stats than Kobe did against that 'same' Spurs team in the series.
Oh, and Kobe had the Finals MVP, Shaq, on the team leading the way and being the factor of winning games. Lebron was the one actually winning his on games.
You call averaging 38 points a game and repeatedly taking it to Duncan and Robinson HELPING? Really?
They didnt easily beat anyone. If it wasnt for Robert Horry, they wouldnt have gotten past Iverson and the Nuggets. And if Stoudemire didn't get suspended and Ginobili didn't step up, the Suns would have won that series. None of those series were easy EXCEPT the Cleveland series.
Who averaged 38 points? Because I know you're not talking about Kobe.
The Suns? Are you fucking serious? The spurs had a winning percentage before the suspensions, and after the suspensions. The Suns had no chance, get over it already.
4-1, 4-2, 4-1, 4-0....and they were 3-2 while Amare played...yet you claim they would have won if he wasn't suspended....riiiiiiiiiight.
My bad. Kobe averaged 30.7 which ended up being 31 points a game. My bad. That still doesn't change the fact that Robinson AND Duncan, two premier shot blockers, got OWNED by Kobe.
When Horry, Stoudemire, and Diaw got suspended, the series was tied 2-2. And be serious, San Antonio had one of the best home records that year. As soon as it got to Game 6, it was a wrap. The Spurs have been 11-1 in closeout games since Tim Duncan has been there.
Who got the fuck owned by Kobe? Tell me which game Kobe got more than 4-5 layups/dunks in the series.
So what was your point dumbass? They were 2-2, and the players broke the rules and got what the rules say they get, but even without that, they were 2-2. Spurs won the first, then Suns, Spurs, Suns. So you're going to tell me that if there was no suspension, Suns would have won next to make it 3-2, and then instead of it going 3-3, they would have just went 4-2?
Says Mr. Team that was 2-2 and then would have went 2-0 the next two games if it wasn't for a suspension, even though in reality they were 2-3 with Amare on their team.
Even if the Suns won the game with the suspension, they still won the next...which would have made it 3-3, and like you said, Timmy was 11-1 in closeouts, and would have made it Spurs 4-3.
They basically did sweep everyone, losing 4 games to 4 teams is pretty damn close.
Oh, and Spurs is MY team everysince Duncan arrived.
wait are you saying that lebron had better stats in the 07 Finals against the Spurs than kobe had in 08 WC Finals against the Spurs???????????? you need to get your facts straight man...
2. You are expecting him to do too much if you have to use that as a comparison, taking a team with only 1 good player against the best team in the league that is based on defense, where they can focus their WHOLE defense on Lebron, making it harder on him than they could on Kobe since Kobe isn't all they have to worry about on his team.
3. BUT, Lebron's career playoffs average is a pretty good amount better than Kobe's.
the better stats lebron has is result of not having another star to take his share of shots each night.Kobe had that most of his career in Shaq and now has it again with Pau(not the same,but still).LeBron holds the ball 90% of the time,his teammates watch him make all the plays and he basically makes every decision so it's no wonder his stats are that good...I think that's why the cavs havent won anything tho.lebron trying to do too much.stats mean nothing,the important thing is how you get them
1. Their stats while both not having an allstar significantly favors Lebron, so you fail.
2. That's so stupid. Being the only great player means all the defense goes towards you, which means he should have less points and less field goal percentage. Oh, and less back up would mean he should have less assists, but he has more, showing just how much better he is at leading the team and making it a team game.
Him holding the ball gets him more blocks, steals, and rebounds? Weird....
1. again, the reason: kobe plays in the triangle offense where he gets the ball only when he's in a position to score...lebron plays for mike brown who knows nothing better than to give the ball to lebron and let him make plays
2. more time holding the ball=more chances to have more points, rebounds assists (remember, usually his teammates wait for him to pass them the ball so they can shoot it...you can have the most assists on a team that's full of shooters- like the cavs)
You act like they do nothing but play triangle offense! Do you even watch them play, because they don't do it nearly as much as you are trying to suggest!
You are a truly idiotic individual. If you have the ball on offense more than someone else, that does NOT mean that your field goal percentage is going to be higher, get more rebounds, and Kobe shoots more than Lebron...so go figure, he has the ball more, but he takes less shots, and gets more points.
You said he gets better stats because of him holding the ball more. You even tried to say he gets more rebounds because he holds the ball more! PURE COMEDY!!
Half of his shots are dunks or layups because HE IS A SF, not a SHOOTING GUARD! He also puts the defense in foul trouble much more than Kobe, something stats don't show.
2 inches is much taller?
It's because Lebron gets them a good shot, you can NOT say the Cavs have better shooters than the Lakers.
haha i made a typo lol, if thats the only thing i got wrong im ok with that...but as I explained, he gets more rebounds because hes taller and plays closer to the basket...
stop going back to it, you obviously got killed in the discussion so you go back to find some minor mistakes that I made
You say something wrong, and when I bring it up I'm backtracking?
So I can say Jordan averaged 200 points a game, with 100% FG, and when you laugh at me...I'm allowed to say you lost the argument and only backtracking?
Funny...your defense is pathetic.
How did I lose? You still haven't explained how him holding the ball more makes him better. Hell, you still haven't explained anything really, besides the obvious...like he's taller.
no I said that I admitted my mistake 10 comments back, but you just keep coming back at it...which means you dont have anything smarter to say since I admitted my mistake...
and if you said that about jordan it would be a lie, but i made an honest mistake...
You admitted to your mistake like 2-3 comments back, and I haven't used it against you since...apparently you are trying to make it look bad for me because you have nothing else to say.
You still haven't explained how getting less points, while taking more shots, and getting less assists, on a team with WAY better help and scorers, is better than the opposite.
Because still yet...all you have done is state the obvious, and that is that Lebron is taller....
he takes WAY TOUGHER SHOTS than james...james is stronger and faster and lays it in or dunks it half of the time...if we compare their FG percentage outside the lane, you'll be amazed who wins...
getting less assists:
kobe lets other guys do their thing, gain their own confidence and doesnt have as many shooters as james...if you watched the lakers play, all gasol, odom, fisher create their own shots so its kinda hard to get assists from that
And no, he wouldn't get more than 2.5 more a game with 4 more minutes.
And it's down right pathetic that you take away his bad seasons to defend his points, but you count them to get his average minutes a game. Take away his first 3 seasons like you did for his points, and he only averages 1.2 less minutes a game, so yet again your theory is busted.
He takes tougher shots? How so? The defense isn't set on Kobe when people play the Lakers, because there are others to worry about.
hahahahahah I got ya here...thats my point son...take away his first 3 seasons and he only averages 1.2 less minutes a game, yet averages 28.1 points per game (more than lebron's 27.5)
and if you do the simple math you'll figure out that kobe WOULD score 2.5 points in 4 more minutes... divide 25.1 by 36.4 (kobe's points by his minutes) and you'll see how many points he gets per minute...then multiply that by lebron's minutes 40.6 and you get 28 ppg...if he played those 4 more minutes...
Stop trying to take away his 3rd season just because he put up shit stats. He played more that season than he did last year, so why don't we take out that season too!
Also, he didn't average 28.1, he averaged 27.99, I'm really wondering where you keep getting your stats from.
He doesn't have 4 minutes to play! He only gets 1.2 minutes more!
Lebron averages .679 points for every minute he plays. Kobe averages .689.
I love it, you take what I say out of consideration, and leaving out what I said after that.
Kobe averages more per minute of play because he shots over 1 more shot on average a game, and with Lebron's FG%, and high chances of getting a 3 point play, he'd average higher if he took just 1 more shot a game and STILL average less shots than Kobe.
So get over yourself, all you have done is post fake stats and talk about how a team with better plays is harder to get assists.
Oh, and that's just counting Kobe as a starter. If we did his first 2 seasons, it'd be lower.
Kobe was .55 points a minute his first two years, and coming off of the bench is much easier than being the star of the team, so I love how you are must take away Kobe's shitty years, and act like he was a rookie. I mean, he played the minutes his first two years equivalent to a season and a few games by taking his average after the first 2 years. So take Lebron's first year away....so it's fair?
no its not fair to take away lebrons first year because he played 40 MINUTES PER GAME lol....kobe played 16 mpg his first year and 26 mpg his second year....THATS WHY I TAKE AWAY HIS FIRST 2 YEARS...because he basically didnt get his chance...but if you decide to count them anyways, kobe still averages more points per minute than lebron..
He played 40 minutes a game, as an 18 year old, as the leader of a team, having more pressure than Kobe had in his life outside of raping that white teenager girl in tbe butt.
You take away a years worth of experience, literally, add up the minutes and average them into his starting average per game, and he has a years wroth of experience. So it's kind of funny, you must take away his worst years, AND give him a years of experience.
It's not my fault Kobe sucked his first 2 years, that he needed 2 years to develop a game.
With that said, Lebron would have started on that Lakers team, and would have put up better numbers than he did on the Cavs, because the defense would have been less focused on him and he'd have a leader to learn from.
Lebron career average:
More PPG, blocks, steals, assists, rebounds, FG%. less fouls, less shots
With that said, Lebron improved significantly on everything he doesn't do better last year.
LBJ, is all hype . and ur juz anotha bball freak, never been all over baby james nutz..
compare the two WHEN THEY ARE DONE PLAYING.. it is a team game, but superstars are made, not born. just cuz LBJ has been a star doesnt mean he is there yet... and
Hype doesn't creat what Lebron has done in his first 6 years in the league. He has done SOOOO much more than Kobe ever imagined of doing in his first 6 years, outside of riding Shaq for a championship. Lebron got a MVP, more All-NBA's, way better stats, more than twice the records, ect.
Again, hype doesn't create that. Being a great basketball player does.
Oh, and did I forget to mention that Lebron is still improving? Wow, Kobe has nothing to look forward to in the comparison.
Riding shaq??? SomeONE had 2 lobb da ball 2 shaq on dem alley OOOPSSSS... u opps u meessed up... dat craze talk. HYPE is being crowned da nba champ and WEARING a t-shirt that sayz mvp.. when he hasnt even won a ring yet.. embarassing.. HYPE is letting the magic punk baby james out da playoffs and NOT SHAKING HANDS, dats right i said it. sportsmenship counts..
and keep hating on KB24 ... and ride lbj.. cuz someONE has to suck baby jamez OVERRATED stinky nards....
Kobe has lost in the playoffs and walked off two times. So why are you bringing up James doing it once, in an attempt to bash him?
Are you jealous that it took Kobe over 10 years to win his first MVP, and 13 years to win his first ring and his first Finals MVP? Are you sad because Lebron has more than twice the NBA records than Kobe, and he's played in less than half the seasons?
and lbj is just trying to do HAS BEEN done already by KB24... example, KOBE sets da record for most points @ MSG and wut does baby jamez try to do, COPY him... loser.. and last time i checked lbj and KB24 both have 1 MVP, but kobe has a FINALS MVP AS well... where is lbj's finals mvp...hmmmm
Itz craze talk how lbj addicts wanna dis on KB24 for being KB24..
Dude seriously, if you look at what Kobe's doing, you really can't compare LeBron to him. Kobe is in a zone where no other players are at. It's a matter of comparing Kobe and Jordan now, LeBron doesn't even come into the discussion. I'm a fan of both players, but seriously. Kobe's the real deal.
I am getting sick and tired of hearing you half retarded kids saying this crap.
Kobe is not in a zone. His team is 3-3 against teams with a .600 record or better.
The fact is, they are playing mostly crap teams and the only team in the league that only had 3-4 away games in their first 20-25 games. Their schedule has been too easy.
Kobe isn't shit compared to Lebron. His offense is nothing, his defense is nothing. He's just lucky his supporting cast is way better.
I mean come on, your instantly calling me names for having a different opinion. Your nearly as unclassy as LeBron. Wow. Kobe IS in a place of his own.
His offence and defence are nothing?!
Fuck, Kobe is a MASTER of BOTH these things. LeBron is a good player, but for fuck sake, he isn't shit compared to Kobe!
Sorry, but what you said was just flat out terrible. Anyone that actually believes what you said should literally be taken back and shot, because we do not need someone that retarded to be using up oxygen.
Unclassy? First, that isn't a word. Secondly, what has Lebron done even close to having anal sex with another girl while he is married? Kobe walked off the court in a losing playoff series more than Lebron....
And no, you believe it was 'flat out terrible' because you are so caught up with LeBron and your OPINION that he is better, than you need everyone to think the same thing as you. First of all, how the fuck do you know it was anal sex? Second of all, I'm talking on court. Kobe has NEVER danced on the court during a game like a douchebag. And really? Calling me retarded? You don't even know me, so that's a kind of retarded thing to say. Ironic really.
How do I know? It said in the report...maybe you should read it. Hell, I bet you didn't even know that Kobe paid her off to keep her mouth shut.
How is dancing bad? He's having fun, so what? Should he dance on the court to please the crowd or should he butt fuck the girls that work at the hotels he stays at?
It's not stupid to call someone retarded, when they try to make a claim that Kobe is the master at offense and defense. You're a bandwagoner hype follower, that is all.
Bandwagoner? No. I believe Kobe is better than LeBron just from what I see. I'm not talking about stats, I'm talking about pure talent. I have read the report, even though there were multiple reports each telling a different story. I did know about this whole story, and IF it's true, yes, that's a very un classy act of Kobe. But again, I'm talking about on court behaviour. Once again, Kobe is not THE master lol, I'm saying he is the most complete player since Jordan.
The Lakers have had a total of 4-5 away games out of their first 25 games. They are 3-3 against teams that are .600 or better, meaning that they basically suck against the better teams in the league.
Kobe's numbers are high, still not as good as the other top players in the league, because he is playing against weak competition. Notice his stats against the better teams, terrible.
Deal with it. The Lakers are nothing but hype, and the NBA set it up.
Are you one of the Kobe fanboys that forgot that the top teams in the league were injured? The Lakers failed to beat the Spurs in the season when they were healthy, and are a better playoff team than a season.
The Celtics dominated the Lakers in the playoffs the season before, so do you really think they would have beaten them after the Celtics improved more than the Lakers the season after?
Houston almost beat the Lakers without their only 2 good players, and without a center.
But isn't it weird...that they are a championship team while they had Shaq...then Shaq wanted to leave because he got tired of Kobe crying every game because he wanted to be the start of his team.
So Shaq left, and won a championship while Kobe was getting dominated in the first round of the playoffs when he was lucky enough to make it?
Then..magically, they got special draft picks and were trading bench players for all stars?
FYI, we don't need to score 100 to get the free tacos. We just have to win while holding the opposing team to under 100 points.
PlaymakerSeries 2 days ago
@PlaymakerSeries no..lakers have to score 100 and hold the other team under 100
DanJos89 2 days ago
@DanJos89 It's exactly How I said. Win the game, and hold the opponent under 100 points. That's it.
PlaymakerSeries 2 days ago
@PlaymakerSeries you said the lakers don't have to score 100. they do. obviously you have to win the game as well, but LA has to score 100 while holding the opposing team to under 100.
DanJos89 2 days ago
@DanJos89 I know what I said. They do not have to score 100 points. I've been to games, I've gotten free tacos when we haven't scored 100. Do some research. All it takes is a simple Google search of "Lakers free tacos", 3rd link from the top, Aol News will tell you that we do not need to score 100 points.
PlaymakerSeries 2 days ago
I'm a laker fan but Vujacic is a piece of shit.
theone642 2 weeks ago
@theone642 cmonn...now u re happier..with our dismal shooting performance ???
fisher, mwp, barnes
i miss vujacic
siyanur89 15 hours ago
Man that 08 squad was fun to watch in the playoffs, the team was all young and you knew they were only gonna get better...
dixonmixin10 3 weeks ago
3:47 "Come on marv, Come on!" kobe jumpshot is... no words i cant describe it
vipersian 1 month ago
the best Kobe's season. so bad they didn't win a title that year : /
MarcinLudwicki 1 month ago
Luke Walton has more rings than Lebron. LMAO!
Freestylez100 2 months ago
This crowd is more energetic than the laker crowd now.
brownmamba08 2 months ago
Look at Bowen at at 3:30 he's probabaly like damn the one time i make him miss u guys don't rebound!
KobeConfidence 2 months ago
He did it to please the fans. Free tacos from Jack in the Box if LA scores 100 and holds their opponent to under 100. Come on people, you call yourself fans? Free tacos courtesy of the Machine because of that 3!
DSOTL 3 months ago 5
god i miss nba...
ImReallyFuckingCrazy 3 months ago
Lakers lost in the finals becz of Vujacic's last shot. Karma is a b#$%&.
freesuraj 3 months ago
@freesuraj i hate vujacic LOL so useless and always loses the ball
nxtsumo 3 months ago
vuajic didnt hav to do that lol
gangster21ification 3 months ago
@gangster21ification He did it so that the Fans can get free tacos. If LA scores 100 or more while the opposing scores less than 100 then its free tacos.
sebsk0ng 3 months ago
3:47 kobe clutch
pcdude000 4 months ago
Don't put "Kobe Bryant Amazing 39" in your title and include highlights from his teammates. If I wanted to see them I'd watch regular highlights
ddogboy 4 months ago 2
kobe shoots too much, trade bynum, jim buss is a moron
ucirat 4 months ago
Radmanovic had that rainbow jumper :)
Tixler 5 months ago
Kobe shot on tim soooo many times...dang
Kdogcentral5ables 5 months ago
@Kdogcentral5ables yeah and tim says kobe sucks haha
AdiUs24 4 months ago
@Kdogcentral5ables yeah and tim says kobe sucks haha
AdiUs24 4 months ago
That shot @ 3:46 was just nasty
KINGPACER 5 months ago
lmfao read the top 2 rated comments, theyre so redundant only LA FAKERS will suck it off
madhazzer 5 months ago
Vujacic is a shit cunt
JMFTiM3 6 months ago
amazing teamplay
ballan12345 6 months ago
Radmanovic can shoot but he has no deffence
kietdodobird69 6 months ago
damn boston celtics...
Salva46 6 months ago
my favorite part of the video is the end with the spurs showing ultimate sportsmanship..the lakers and spurs ALWAYS have great respect for each other after all the battles from the past that led them to their titles.
Lagrimita24 7 months ago
Closest to MJ you'll ever see. Kobe wasn't much better than he was there. Age catches all...but the great ones make it wait the longest.
cbaldwinjr 7 months ago
lmao the ref falling down at :55
andresbarre 7 months ago
is it me or that guy on the front is fuvking standing up two hands up high everyshot!!! haha
kb24atkim 8 months ago
@Thiagosilva The opening loss to Houston in the regular season. October 2007, Battier hit the game winner. Amature!
dixonmixin10 9 months ago
I remember when this happened I thought of how I never would've pictured this after that opening loss to Houston...
dixonmixin10 9 months ago
@dixonmixin10 Lol showing ur true bandwagon-ness... this is 08. we played DENVER sweep. utah 6. and spurs 5 en route to boston winning the title. houston was conference semi's the next season.
Thiagosilva2487 9 months ago
Vujacic shot that so that the fans could get tacos since the Lakers would have 100 if he made it. He is still a faggot tho
SonicBoom91 9 months ago
The only bad part about this video was Vujacic shooting the three at the end. Dominance by the Lakers, getting #17 this year.
Eyekantspall 9 months ago
they led with 17 in the 2nd, and with 10 in the 3rd! great series, just sad that the end of Game 4 was rigged in the favor of the lakers! Man L.A always wins the tight once, wonder why? 2008: game 6 vs Utah, semis. Game 1,4 and 5 vs Spurs. 2009: Game 7 vs Rockets, semis. Game 1 and 3 vs Denver. Game 2 and 4 vs Orlando. 2010: Game 2 and 6 vs OKC. Game 1 and 3 vs Utah,semis. Game 5 vs Suns. Finals Game 7 vs Boston, look at all the freethrows,possesions.. we all knew that one was fixed,02vsKings?!
Jasminbaum 9 months ago
damn, this crowd going crazy!!
Jreythe2nd 9 months ago
you forgot to mention KOBE BRYANT
samehgharieb24 10 months ago
Farmer was way more agressive than Blake.
Rustaveli2k7 10 months ago
NYC = the city that never sleeps
Kobe Bryant= Player that never stops dominating
kobe24mvp90 10 months ago 3
vujacic sore winner
th3kingx 11 months ago 18
@th3kingx everytime the lakers score 100+ and the other team score less than 100 they give free tacos to the fun... sasha was a hero coz he got us some TACOOOOOOSSSS!!!
jgerundo24 2 months ago
KOBE!
XomgitsrickX 11 months ago
i miss everything farmar did... even those long range buzzer beaters he did.
ericholla990 1 year ago
2:27 Failed
xjwRulezx 1 year ago
fishers3s r so CLean
MrPs391 1 year ago
spurs are actually not that bad considering they don't have a superstar on their team and still played not too bad
heavyrain24 1 year ago
@heavyrain24 Tim Duncan is not a superstar? He's a future HOF.
z4ng3tsu1ch1g0 1 year ago
Vujacic is such a Queer/Classless/DoucheBag for taking that shot at the end..
dmaccballer 1 year ago
@toolisbeast456 bowen is actually a little bit of a dirty player. its been said by many sports fans
billslover90 1 year ago
thumbs up if you think bruce bowen cant stop kobe
billslover90 1 year ago 12
vujacic is such a dumbass. lol shooting the shot at the end of the game.....
sshaxy 1 year ago
the only good thing radmanovic was for was the short corner threes
Lakers24pwnz 1 year ago
3:47 "cmon, cmon marv!"
mambaKB24mvp 1 year ago
LOVE YA VUJACIC!!! DID IT FOR DA TACOS!!!! :D
JohnNguyenFTW 1 year ago
oooh thats messed up sasha shot the last shot and made it and they were already up by 4
DragonballgtMulti 1 year ago
have you noticed that kobe was beasting in the beggining of this season and had lift and in one summer he lost it like at the start of the 2008-2009 season
TheKobe24mamba 1 year ago
i want kobe to wear a sleeve again
he looked so badass
nxtsumo 1 year ago 4
i miss turiaf ):
pookeyii 1 year ago
lol at 1:21 a person in the crowd says ''3 seconds, 3 seconds, 10 seconds''.
XManimal 1 year ago
@XManimal I believe that's Odom. It sounds like him.
FuddleDuddle24 1 year ago
lol Sasha that stupid bitch...
XManimal 1 year ago
Vujacic... smh.
mediabench 1 year ago
Didn't LeBron get swept by this Spurs team the year before yet Kobe was toying with this Spurs team.
MrHrana1 1 year ago
The shot at 3:48 is just...crazy.
AI913 1 year ago
kobe is better than lebron
kobe is the best player on the planet
2pacisthebest90 1 year ago 48
@2pacisthebest90 its jordan
maplestoryisthebestr 10 months ago
@2pacisthebest90 Sorry but micheal jordan aint dead
spazpsg1 9 months ago
@2pacisthebest90 got that right
Kdogcentral5ables 4 months ago
i totally agree with lakers24pwnz kobe has a much better form lebron puts a kind of side spin on his shot sometimes i do not know how it goes in and i will give it to the cavs fans that lebron is having a better year clearly but kobe has dealt with injury after injury i mean cmon and he is still having a good year. i bet if lebron got injured as much as kobe this year he would be playing poorly
kb24lamax 1 year ago
haha i'm sorry, being a Celtics fans I really don't like either one... but anybody who thinks that Kobe is better than LeBron right now is an absolute moron, or just blinded by their love of Kobe. LeBron is practically averaging a triple double, doesn't take nearly as many shots, and prior to this season he was doing it with significantly less talent around him. Like I said, I hate em both, but LeBron is the clear cut MVP of the league.
NSDBaseball2 1 year ago
@NSDBaseball2
lebron is better athletically (rebounds, blocks, dunks, etc)
kobe is better fundamentally (shooting, mentality, footwork, etc)
Lakers24pwnz 1 year ago 3
@Lakers24pwnz
i'll give you the fundamentals thing, but shooting? not right now. LeBron has a better field goal percentage. LeBron is just the better player right now, and he has proven he can do more with less talent.
NSDBaseball2 1 year ago
@NSDBaseball2
nah... dude its not about percentage... its about form.... kobes form is 100x better than lebrons... and the history of kobes shot is way better than lebrons
Lakers24pwnz 1 year ago
@NSDBaseball2 look at kobe's highlight videos when shaq left kobe had nobody just a bunch of young guys he's scored 81 points outscored a team 63-61 and a lot more i like lebron but c'mon really? kobe is just the better player
kikeazul70 1 year ago
@NSDBaseball2 LeBron may have better stats, but he doesn't really make his team better than Kobe does if you look at the Lakers' players' history. Pau - 08 Griz couldn't convince any other teams he was worth his contract which is why the Lakers got him for cap space. Odom - been on the trading block since 06, was a free agent in 09, only MIA even offered him a contract. Artest - "Took a paycut" but no other team offered him a deal. Ariza - Not even on the active roster on most teams he played.
mylestate 1 year ago
@NSDBaseball2 Derek Fisher - came off the bench for 85% of his career. Andrew Bynum had a handful of good games in his career and mostly underachieved even before his injuries. Luke Walton, Sasha V., Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown...if they weren't on the Lakers, they wouldn't even be in the NBA anymore.
mylestate 1 year ago
This was Kobe's best game of his career. Clinching game against the world champs and he just took it right at them. Best quotes of the night: "C'mon Marv" and a constantly repeated "Bryant...yes!" Best player on the planet. His will demoralizes opponents. Duncan was his bitch...all night long.
BeefPapa 1 year ago
heh Tony Parker such a good sport, still keepin a smile on.
cart88 2 years ago
MattMisGOD "when the Lakers are championship material?" Last I checked they were the NBA champions, uhhh...
dixonmixin10 2 years ago
What's up with the commentator (not Marv)? Is he a Spurs fan? .. Too bad.
WWEUploadable 2 years ago
lebron good but he got nuttin on kobe call me when he scores 81 POINTS
jonazizi 2 years ago 48
@jonazizi preach my brother
tayjuan 1 year ago
@jonazizi Ok people stop talking bout Lebron dis a Kobe video...They both great players in their own way so stop with da comparison
Curtis7414 1 year ago
@jonazizi does video game count lol
oliverrainman 1 year ago
@jonazizi Jordan never scored 81 but he is still better. Kobe never scored 100 like Wilt but he is still better, so whats your point?
POPWW2 9 months ago
@jonazizi or wins a ring
andyhart14 5 months ago
@jonazizi Yeaaa
Kdogcentral5ables 4 months ago
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Kobe's more badass than Lebron. He beat the CRAP out of out of some dude yesterday night in NYC after he called him a nigger , the guy was demolished. TMZ posted the video at tmzfights. com
marypaynne36 2 years ago
Kobe>Lebron
2pacisthebest90 2 years ago
MattMisGOD you couls say that but...lebron doesn't have the Lakers squad so stop saying only if I bet last year if people knew the Cavs were getting Shaq they would think they would be unstoppable but so far...Cavs aint shit really they pulled a few wins out the ass but if lebron is really better than kobe he would be better wit Shaq even if Shaq is Old..
and don't say it has 2 take time for them to mesh because they both are highly experianced. F4 example how fast di mo mesh with Cavs KB>LBJ
youngmula193 2 years ago
The Cavs should be unstoppable just because they picked up an old big guy, that is putting up terrible numbers, already proving that he can't stay healthy, and letting the team down more than he is helping?
Being the best player in the league and not being in the discussion of the best center in the league are very different.
Just wait. Your Laker squad will start having away games and more than 6 teams against .600 soon. Then you'll see. Lakers are 3-3 against teams that are .600 or better.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
MACHINE!!!!!!!!
TheHNIC88 2 years ago
I want to see Kemp vs Magic!
Sambox1080 2 years ago
Lakers is a good team
waihong001 2 years ago
Hell, I don't even know why I bothered with you. We have proven that Lebron did better, even if you take out Kobe's first 2 years and act like he DIDN'T get a full seasons worth of practice by dividing his minutes played the first two years as his career average as a starter.
And to think, part of your defense was to take away his low scoring seasons to help his average, but count them when you went for his average career minutes a game. Absolutely pathetic.
It's sort of sad actually.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
"And to think, part of your defense was to take away his low scoring seasons to help his average, but count them when you went for his average career minutes a game. Absolutely pathetic."
Youre twisting all of it...take away his low scoring seasons and he still plays less minutes than lebron but scores more...add his low scoring seasons and he has better point average per minute than lebron...
sera7ares 2 years ago
How the fuck so?
Why are you so dead set on points? He has shitty field goal percentage. Let lebron shoot as much as Kobe, and he'll have higher. It's that simple, the fact that he has a higher field goal percentage with less shots taken prove that, so stop your rant about 'oh Kobe shoots tons so he gets more points so he da best in da world!', but it's flat out retarded.
Points per minute means nothing, when Lebron scores more PPG and much better FG %.
Ask Kobe was a triple double is.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
i know that points per minute mean nothing, but you started it...no numbers mean anything unless you win something...end of the story
sera7ares 2 years ago
I started it? HA! I'm the one trying to tell you to count field goal percentage, and the fact that Kobe just flat out shoots more every season, and that if you gave Lebron the same amount of shots that he'd have higher. It's obvious that Lebron is a better scorer, he's more consistent AND averages more with a field goal percentage that dominates Kobe. Again, outside of their rookie season, Lebron's worst season is better than Kobe's best. Sad, right?
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
so how come when you wanna make a point its ok to go "outside of lebron's rookie season" but when I try to make a point by excluding the 2 years kobe played less than 2 quarters a game it's trying twisting the truth???
and seriously im done here, im not going to convince you, youre not going to convince me, theres no point in doing this...good luck next season, hopefully your boy will win that ring because there are no more excuses for him...has a great team, lets see what he can do
sera7ares 2 years ago
I wasn't trying to take away his season to defend him like you were, I was simply saying that it's only fair to take off Lebron's first year of experience if you keep taking Kobe's first year of experience(and I was counting 2 as 1 by adding the minutes up, and dividing by his average minutes as a starter). But...no, you say that's not fair. Funny.
He came off of the bench. He wasn't defended for shit, because he was a bench player, Lebron was the star of the team...BIG difference, kid.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Because you know...when you're a bench player...you're not worried about very much, since there are bigger fish to base your defense on, where Lebron was the only 'big fish' that the other teams need to defend, which put all of the pressure on him. Making it MUCH harder. So he had to play more minutes, and got MUCH better defense, while Kobe sit on the bench and played when the starter was just resting.
He does have a good team now, that HE made without management trading a Kwame for Gasol.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
And don't even try to keep making excuses about Kobe being on the bench. He still played a years worth of minutes his first two years, and he had it MUCH easier. It is easier to score when you come off of the bench, and you're a nobody soon to be rapist averaging low points, but when you're 18, the leader of the team, and the best defenders on YOU for 40 minutes your rookie season, it's much harder to score.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
i dont understand why shasa shot tat last shott
like actually.... LOL hes a retard haha
chlwnsdn 2 years ago
like if he won that title and dominated and got finals mvp, he woulda been cemented as one of the greatest ever and people woulda been talkin bout laker dynasty
but the way they lost and that they lost and the way kobe wasnt the best player on the olympic team and then wade and lebron were both better than him this year
i dont know, kobe could just be pacing himself and dominate the finals this year and cement himself anyways, god knows he's great enough to do it
gocelts34n7 2 years ago
He did it !!!
dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago
anyone else think last years nba finals kind-of took the aura of invincibility away from kobe?
i mean the 3 titles, the killer instanct, the lockdown mode defense, the big 4th quarters, then the way he CARRIED singlehandedly that team in 06 and 07, then they break out and get gasol, he tears up the west playoffs easily, then the finals happens and since then he just aint looked at the same and aint really played the same, am i wrong?
gocelts34n7 2 years ago
3 titles where he was only a role player.
There are 2 other guard/forwards that are better scorers and defensive players than Kobe in the league right now.
He has only made the playoffs 1 time in his 12 year career while being the only allstar on the team, and only made it 5 games. Oh, and it took nearly 10 years for him to do that. Lebron made it to the Finals in his 3rd season with no allstar.
He singlehandedly carried his Lakers to a pathetic first round loss in 06-07...your point?
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
A role player? Get serious. When you have 2 guys on your team that average more than 25 a game, you've got 2 superstars. Kobe's the best scorer in the league right now and a top 3-5 perimeter defender.
05-06 he was the only all-star and he carried them to 7 games against Phoenix. 07-08 Gasol and Bynum weren't all-stars that year and he CARRIED them to the finals.
Lebron at 21 got swept by the same Spurs team that Kobe swept at age 21.
You're looking dumb right now.
clutchcity25 2 years ago
If Kobe is the best scorer, then how come he isn't top 2 in points, and worse field goal percentage than the other top 2 scorers in the league?
He has, BY FAR, better help than Wade and Lebron...which would mean he would get much easier shots...and he does, and he STILL can't get a better field goal percentage.
05-06 he also had a Lamar Odom that played all*star quality in the playoffs, averaging 20 points and nearly 10 boards.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Odom averaged 15 and 8. That's NOT all-star quality.And he hardly ever stepped up to be that second scorer. Kobe carried them to 45 wins that year. 35 points a game. 27 40+ point games.
NOW he does. Wade had Shaq when he got his ring and Lebron had Ilgauskus, who was an allstar the previous 2 years. So you say that like those two guys were helpless. They had help. And if Lebron IS that good, he would have beat the spurs.
Newsflash: Kobe beat those same spurs that 23 lost to.
clutchcity25 2 years ago
07-08 - Gasol averaged 22 points, 9 boards, better field goal percentage than Kobe, and 5 assists in the first round.
Second round, Gasol and Odom both averaged 18 points a game, and Gasol had about 8.5 boards a game and Odom had nearly 12. Gasol also shot 56%, Odom 59%, and Kobe a pathetic 49%
3rd round, Gasol and Odom both had near double doubles.
Finals, Kobe averages 40.5% FG, 25 PPG, and Odom/Gasol nearly had double doubles and over 50% FG.
So...in no way did Kobe carry the team.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
1st round: Gasol stepped up, you got that. But Kobe got 49 and 10 and stepped up in both of those games in Denver and had 16 of his 31 in the 4th quarter of the clincher.
2nd round, Gasol went agains Okur. Okur is softer than Gasol. Kobe averaged 30+ and got 30+ 5 times against an all-league defender in Kirilenko.
3rd round: Besides Tim Duncan, who else is in the post down there? Kobe led the combacks in Games 1 and 4 and took them to victory in Game 5.
He won the MVP for a reason.
clutchcity25 2 years ago
Nothing you have said changes anything. In no way can you say someone carried a team when you have other players playing above all star quality in some of the series, and having 2 people averaging near double doubles.
Oh, and Kobe averaging 40.5% FG in the finals...lmao. I'm not too sure why you all talk about him being able to shoot so well just because he makes a few hard shots and a few lucky last minute shots. 40.5%...lmao
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Game 1 vs. Spurs: 15 of his 27 came in the 4th quarter.
Game 5: 17 of his 39 came in fourth quarter.
But he still wasn't leading them, was he?
WOW. :/
In the finals, Kobe did what he could.
Game 3: 11 of his 36 in the 4th quarter.
Kobe still had 30+ twice so they didn't contain him as much as people say.
And Odom's best game was in Game 4 when they blew a lead. He struggled in the other games of that series against Garnett and Perkins.
clutchcity25 2 years ago
how good do u expect kobe to shoot when all the attention is on him and he's always getting double team, i didnt see odom or gasol get doubled more than once. so fuck field goal %
billyhoyle11 2 years ago
you are pathetic...
sera7ares 2 years ago
Kobe HELPED Shaq beat a worse Spurs team.
Lebron got swept by a team that easily beat every team in the playoffs with a team that would have been lucky to win 10 games the season without him.
Lebron also had far superior stats than Kobe did against that 'same' Spurs team in the series.
Oh, and Kobe had the Finals MVP, Shaq, on the team leading the way and being the factor of winning games. Lebron was the one actually winning his on games.
Wanna try making a point that's actually valid?
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
You call averaging 38 points a game and repeatedly taking it to Duncan and Robinson HELPING? Really?
They didnt easily beat anyone. If it wasnt for Robert Horry, they wouldnt have gotten past Iverson and the Nuggets. And if Stoudemire didn't get suspended and Ginobili didn't step up, the Suns would have won that series. None of those series were easy EXCEPT the Cleveland series.
clutchcity25 2 years ago
You are a fucking TOOL!
Who averaged 38 points? Because I know you're not talking about Kobe.
The Suns? Are you fucking serious? The spurs had a winning percentage before the suspensions, and after the suspensions. The Suns had no chance, get over it already.
4-1, 4-2, 4-1, 4-0....and they were 3-2 while Amare played...yet you claim they would have won if he wasn't suspended....riiiiiiiiiight.
You're a joke.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
No, YOU'RE a fucking tool.
My bad. Kobe averaged 30.7 which ended up being 31 points a game. My bad. That still doesn't change the fact that Robinson AND Duncan, two premier shot blockers, got OWNED by Kobe.
When Horry, Stoudemire, and Diaw got suspended, the series was tied 2-2. And be serious, San Antonio had one of the best home records that year. As soon as it got to Game 6, it was a wrap. The Spurs have been 11-1 in closeout games since Tim Duncan has been there.
clutchcity25 2 years ago
Who got the fuck owned by Kobe? Tell me which game Kobe got more than 4-5 layups/dunks in the series.
So what was your point dumbass? They were 2-2, and the players broke the rules and got what the rules say they get, but even without that, they were 2-2. Spurs won the first, then Suns, Spurs, Suns. So you're going to tell me that if there was no suspension, Suns would have won next to make it 3-2, and then instead of it going 3-3, they would have just went 4-2?
With Amare, Suns were 2-3.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
None of those series were walks in the park. Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili would tell you themselves.The only cakewalk was when they played the Cavs.
Nuggets series, if Horry doesn't hit that 3 to break the tie it's 2-2 going to San Antonio for Game 5.
Suns Series, I already said
Jazz series, those games went down to the last 2 minutes in every game except Game 4.
You make it sound like the Spurs demolished everyone. If they did, they would have cleanly swept everyone.
clutchcity25 2 years ago
*yawn*
Says Mr. Team that was 2-2 and then would have went 2-0 the next two games if it wasn't for a suspension, even though in reality they were 2-3 with Amare on their team.
Even if the Suns won the game with the suspension, they still won the next...which would have made it 3-3, and like you said, Timmy was 11-1 in closeouts, and would have made it Spurs 4-3.
They basically did sweep everyone, losing 4 games to 4 teams is pretty damn close.
Oh, and Spurs is MY team everysince Duncan arrived.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
wait are you saying that lebron had better stats in the 07 Finals against the Spurs than kobe had in 08 WC Finals against the Spurs???????????? you need to get your facts straight man...
sera7ares 2 years ago
1. No, I didn't.
2. You are expecting him to do too much if you have to use that as a comparison, taking a team with only 1 good player against the best team in the league that is based on defense, where they can focus their WHOLE defense on Lebron, making it harder on him than they could on Kobe since Kobe isn't all they have to worry about on his team.
3. BUT, Lebron's career playoffs average is a pretty good amount better than Kobe's.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
the better stats lebron has is result of not having another star to take his share of shots each night.Kobe had that most of his career in Shaq and now has it again with Pau(not the same,but still).LeBron holds the ball 90% of the time,his teammates watch him make all the plays and he basically makes every decision so it's no wonder his stats are that good...I think that's why the cavs havent won anything tho.lebron trying to do too much.stats mean nothing,the important thing is how you get them
sera7ares 2 years ago
1. Their stats while both not having an allstar significantly favors Lebron, so you fail.
2. That's so stupid. Being the only great player means all the defense goes towards you, which means he should have less points and less field goal percentage. Oh, and less back up would mean he should have less assists, but he has more, showing just how much better he is at leading the team and making it a team game.
Him holding the ball gets him more blocks, steals, and rebounds? Weird....
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
1. again, the reason: kobe plays in the triangle offense where he gets the ball only when he's in a position to score...lebron plays for mike brown who knows nothing better than to give the ball to lebron and let him make plays
2. more time holding the ball=more chances to have more points, rebounds assists (remember, usually his teammates wait for him to pass them the ball so they can shoot it...you can have the most assists on a team that's full of shooters- like the cavs)
sera7ares 2 years ago
You act like they do nothing but play triangle offense! Do you even watch them play, because they don't do it nearly as much as you are trying to suggest!
You are a truly idiotic individual. If you have the ball on offense more than someone else, that does NOT mean that your field goal percentage is going to be higher, get more rebounds, and Kobe shoots more than Lebron...so go figure, he has the ball more, but he takes less shots, and gets more points.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
i never said that the fg percentage of lebron is better because of that lol...but it is better because half of his shots are layups or dunks...
more rebounds....hmmm its probably because lebron is much taller than kobe and plays a different position
more assists.......more shooters on the cavs that shoot as soon as they get the ball from a lebron pass
more points...more possessions with the ball in his hands plus the refs just love to call touch fouls on him (not as much as with wade, but still)
sera7ares 2 years ago
You said he gets better stats because of him holding the ball more. You even tried to say he gets more rebounds because he holds the ball more! PURE COMEDY!!
Half of his shots are dunks or layups because HE IS A SF, not a SHOOTING GUARD! He also puts the defense in foul trouble much more than Kobe, something stats don't show.
2 inches is much taller?
It's because Lebron gets them a good shot, you can NOT say the Cavs have better shooters than the Lakers.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
again i didnt say he gets more rebounds because he holds the ball more, but because he's taller and plays closer to the basket...
sera7ares 2 years ago
You said, and I quote(copy/pasted):
"2. more time holding the ball=more chances to have more points, rebounds assists"
So yeah, you sort of DID!
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
haha i made a typo lol, if thats the only thing i got wrong im ok with that...but as I explained, he gets more rebounds because hes taller and plays closer to the basket...
stop going back to it, you obviously got killed in the discussion so you go back to find some minor mistakes that I made
sera7ares 2 years ago
Wait.
You say something wrong, and when I bring it up I'm backtracking?
So I can say Jordan averaged 200 points a game, with 100% FG, and when you laugh at me...I'm allowed to say you lost the argument and only backtracking?
Funny...your defense is pathetic.
How did I lose? You still haven't explained how him holding the ball more makes him better. Hell, you still haven't explained anything really, besides the obvious...like he's taller.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
no I said that I admitted my mistake 10 comments back, but you just keep coming back at it...which means you dont have anything smarter to say since I admitted my mistake...
and if you said that about jordan it would be a lie, but i made an honest mistake...
sera7ares 2 years ago
You admitted to your mistake like 2-3 comments back, and I haven't used it against you since...apparently you are trying to make it look bad for me because you have nothing else to say.
You still haven't explained how getting less points, while taking more shots, and getting less assists, on a team with WAY better help and scorers, is better than the opposite.
Because still yet...all you have done is state the obvious, and that is that Lebron is taller....
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
getting less points while taking more shots:
he takes WAY TOUGHER SHOTS than james...james is stronger and faster and lays it in or dunks it half of the time...if we compare their FG percentage outside the lane, you'll be amazed who wins...
getting less assists:
kobe lets other guys do their thing, gain their own confidence and doesnt have as many shooters as james...if you watched the lakers play, all gasol, odom, fisher create their own shots so its kinda hard to get assists from that
sera7ares 2 years ago
And no, he wouldn't get more than 2.5 more a game with 4 more minutes.
And it's down right pathetic that you take away his bad seasons to defend his points, but you count them to get his average minutes a game. Take away his first 3 seasons like you did for his points, and he only averages 1.2 less minutes a game, so yet again your theory is busted.
He takes tougher shots? How so? The defense isn't set on Kobe when people play the Lakers, because there are others to worry about.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
hahahahahah I got ya here...thats my point son...take away his first 3 seasons and he only averages 1.2 less minutes a game, yet averages 28.1 points per game (more than lebron's 27.5)
and if you do the simple math you'll figure out that kobe WOULD score 2.5 points in 4 more minutes... divide 25.1 by 36.4 (kobe's points by his minutes) and you'll see how many points he gets per minute...then multiply that by lebron's minutes 40.6 and you get 28 ppg...if he played those 4 more minutes...
sera7ares 2 years ago
Stop trying to take away his 3rd season just because he put up shit stats. He played more that season than he did last year, so why don't we take out that season too!
Also, he didn't average 28.1, he averaged 27.99, I'm really wondering where you keep getting your stats from.
He doesn't have 4 minutes to play! He only gets 1.2 minutes more!
Lebron averages .679 points for every minute he plays. Kobe averages .689.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
quoting you:
"Lebron averages .679 points for every minute he plays. Kobe averages .689. "
sooooooooo kobe averages better.................ok thanks for making my point, going to bed
sera7ares 2 years ago
I love it, you take what I say out of consideration, and leaving out what I said after that.
Kobe averages more per minute of play because he shots over 1 more shot on average a game, and with Lebron's FG%, and high chances of getting a 3 point play, he'd average higher if he took just 1 more shot a game and STILL average less shots than Kobe.
So get over yourself, all you have done is post fake stats and talk about how a team with better plays is harder to get assists.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Oh, and that's just counting Kobe as a starter. If we did his first 2 seasons, it'd be lower.
Kobe was .55 points a minute his first two years, and coming off of the bench is much easier than being the star of the team, so I love how you are must take away Kobe's shitty years, and act like he was a rookie. I mean, he played the minutes his first two years equivalent to a season and a few games by taking his average after the first 2 years. So take Lebron's first year away....so it's fair?
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
no its not fair to take away lebrons first year because he played 40 MINUTES PER GAME lol....kobe played 16 mpg his first year and 26 mpg his second year....THATS WHY I TAKE AWAY HIS FIRST 2 YEARS...because he basically didnt get his chance...but if you decide to count them anyways, kobe still averages more points per minute than lebron..
sera7ares 2 years ago
He played 40 minutes a game, as an 18 year old, as the leader of a team, having more pressure than Kobe had in his life outside of raping that white teenager girl in tbe butt.
You take away a years worth of experience, literally, add up the minutes and average them into his starting average per game, and he has a years wroth of experience. So it's kind of funny, you must take away his worst years, AND give him a years of experience.
Again, Kobe takes more shots per minute.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
It's not my fault Kobe sucked his first 2 years, that he needed 2 years to develop a game.
With that said, Lebron would have started on that Lakers team, and would have put up better numbers than he did on the Cavs, because the defense would have been less focused on him and he'd have a leader to learn from.
Lebron career average:
More PPG, blocks, steals, assists, rebounds, FG%. less fouls, less shots
With that said, Lebron improved significantly on everything he doesn't do better last year.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
LBJ, is all hype . and ur juz anotha bball freak, never been all over baby james nutz..
compare the two WHEN THEY ARE DONE PLAYING.. it is a team game, but superstars are made, not born. just cuz LBJ has been a star doesnt mean he is there yet... and
maybe next year LBJ...
keep giving baby james.. bjs !!!
rockuzONE 2 years ago
Hype doesn't creat what Lebron has done in his first 6 years in the league. He has done SOOOO much more than Kobe ever imagined of doing in his first 6 years, outside of riding Shaq for a championship. Lebron got a MVP, more All-NBA's, way better stats, more than twice the records, ect.
Again, hype doesn't create that. Being a great basketball player does.
Oh, and did I forget to mention that Lebron is still improving? Wow, Kobe has nothing to look forward to in the comparison.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Riding shaq??? SomeONE had 2 lobb da ball 2 shaq on dem alley OOOPSSSS... u opps u meessed up... dat craze talk. HYPE is being crowned da nba champ and WEARING a t-shirt that sayz mvp.. when he hasnt even won a ring yet.. embarassing.. HYPE is letting the magic punk baby james out da playoffs and NOT SHAKING HANDS, dats right i said it. sportsmenship counts..
and keep hating on KB24 ... and ride lbj.. cuz someONE has to suck baby jamez OVERRATED stinky nards....
rockuzONE 2 years ago
Kobe has lost in the playoffs and walked off two times. So why are you bringing up James doing it once, in an attempt to bash him?
Are you jealous that it took Kobe over 10 years to win his first MVP, and 13 years to win his first ring and his first Finals MVP? Are you sad because Lebron has more than twice the NBA records than Kobe, and he's played in less than half the seasons?
Or what is it that you're trying to claim?
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
I think KOBE has the records that count ...
and lbj is just trying to do HAS BEEN done already by KB24... example, KOBE sets da record for most points @ MSG and wut does baby jamez try to do, COPY him... loser.. and last time i checked lbj and KB24 both have 1 MVP, but kobe has a FINALS MVP AS well... where is lbj's finals mvp...hmmmm
Itz craze talk how lbj addicts wanna dis on KB24 for being KB24..
stick to sucking lbj baby peepee..
ITS STILL KB24'S time ...maybe next year lbj !!!
rockuzONE 2 years ago
dude you dont have to go all out to prove lbj isnt as good kb since most know that and kb24 and lbj respect each other's game
KillinU4fun 2 years ago
Dude seriously, if you look at what Kobe's doing, you really can't compare LeBron to him. Kobe is in a zone where no other players are at. It's a matter of comparing Kobe and Jordan now, LeBron doesn't even come into the discussion. I'm a fan of both players, but seriously. Kobe's the real deal.
dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago
I am getting sick and tired of hearing you half retarded kids saying this crap.
Kobe is not in a zone. His team is 3-3 against teams with a .600 record or better.
The fact is, they are playing mostly crap teams and the only team in the league that only had 3-4 away games in their first 20-25 games. Their schedule has been too easy.
Kobe isn't shit compared to Lebron. His offense is nothing, his defense is nothing. He's just lucky his supporting cast is way better.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Really?
I mean come on, your instantly calling me names for having a different opinion. Your nearly as unclassy as LeBron. Wow. Kobe IS in a place of his own.
His offence and defence are nothing?!
Fuck, Kobe is a MASTER of BOTH these things. LeBron is a good player, but for fuck sake, he isn't shit compared to Kobe!
dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago
Having a different opinion?
Sorry, but what you said was just flat out terrible. Anyone that actually believes what you said should literally be taken back and shot, because we do not need someone that retarded to be using up oxygen.
Unclassy? First, that isn't a word. Secondly, what has Lebron done even close to having anal sex with another girl while he is married? Kobe walked off the court in a losing playoff series more than Lebron....
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
UN CLASSY.
Sorry.
Typo.
And no, you believe it was 'flat out terrible' because you are so caught up with LeBron and your OPINION that he is better, than you need everyone to think the same thing as you. First of all, how the fuck do you know it was anal sex? Second of all, I'm talking on court. Kobe has NEVER danced on the court during a game like a douchebag. And really? Calling me retarded? You don't even know me, so that's a kind of retarded thing to say. Ironic really.
dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago
How do I know? It said in the report...maybe you should read it. Hell, I bet you didn't even know that Kobe paid her off to keep her mouth shut.
How is dancing bad? He's having fun, so what? Should he dance on the court to please the crowd or should he butt fuck the girls that work at the hotels he stays at?
It's not stupid to call someone retarded, when they try to make a claim that Kobe is the master at offense and defense. You're a bandwagoner hype follower, that is all.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Bandwagoner? No. I believe Kobe is better than LeBron just from what I see. I'm not talking about stats, I'm talking about pure talent. I have read the report, even though there were multiple reports each telling a different story. I did know about this whole story, and IF it's true, yes, that's a very un classy act of Kobe. But again, I'm talking about on court behaviour. Once again, Kobe is not THE master lol, I'm saying he is the most complete player since Jordan.
dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago
No, you are a bandwagoner.
The Lakers have had a total of 4-5 away games out of their first 25 games. They are 3-3 against teams that are .600 or better, meaning that they basically suck against the better teams in the league.
Kobe's numbers are high, still not as good as the other top players in the league, because he is playing against weak competition. Notice his stats against the better teams, terrible.
Deal with it. The Lakers are nothing but hype, and the NBA set it up.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
Lakers 09 Champs Kobe 09 Finals MVP?
Hype?
BULLSHIT.
dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago
Now now.
Are you one of the Kobe fanboys that forgot that the top teams in the league were injured? The Lakers failed to beat the Spurs in the season when they were healthy, and are a better playoff team than a season.
The Celtics dominated the Lakers in the playoffs the season before, so do you really think they would have beaten them after the Celtics improved more than the Lakers the season after?
Houston almost beat the Lakers without their only 2 good players, and without a center.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
No no no no, I was just saying the Lakers aren't ALL hype.
dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago
They aren't ALL hype.
But isn't it weird...that they are a championship team while they had Shaq...then Shaq wanted to leave because he got tired of Kobe crying every game because he wanted to be the start of his team.
So Shaq left, and won a championship while Kobe was getting dominated in the first round of the playoffs when he was lucky enough to make it?
Then..magically, they got special draft picks and were trading bench players for all stars?
Yeah...come on, Lakers is Sterns baby.
MattMisGOD 2 years ago
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dragonforcerockhard 2 years ago