Re: What about all the good things religion does?

[way2jaded1]

huh didn't get the chance to judge b4 you asked the question.

Christians and atheists unite to fight the growing forces of agnosticism!

What did Jesus do that you don't agree with?

[iJake2010]

this is probably totally irrevalent, but, everyone has a little bit of "redneck" in them. its what makes america america....

[ContinentalGT1]

Really good video, made me listen :)

As far as different religions go the story is always copyd from an earlier religion or a myth. And for example all the dates the bible has given us are all astrological so basically christianity is sun worship wich means it is a pagan religion.

[liberalmike1994]

@ContinentalGT1 examples?

[ContinentalGT1]

@liberalmike1994 Look up what the dates 22-25 December mean in the astrological terms for the sun movement. Also look up mythological characters like Mithra, Horus, Attis and Krishna, now compare the story of those "god`s" to Jesus Christ. That should make it clear, that christianity is nothing more than a copy of religions that came before it.

[MrMegaWizard]

God is a asshole

[Glowstar1shecat]

you look like your 14 but you sound like your 19

[TodEngel45]

totally thought you were going to start bashing on ZJ because of your shirt. Good video though.

[philnoll]

Well you know a fetus isn't really part of a woman's body. It has its own nerves and its own brain.

[Witheredrose34]

I will be honest, I did quickly assume you were a homophobic, red-neck, and religious. I'm sorry for my poor judgement.

[Paulwhoisvegan]

Why does he drink on camera!?

[SpikeDawgProductions]

because i'm thirsty on camera :P

[CakefaceSmut]

"I" feel that most people in modern day use "religion" as an excuse. For example; misusing the name of the Judea-christian God to exile gay marriage. I think most religions have most very awesome meaning behind them, like the faith I was born into and some philosophy such Buddhism, have good concepts. It seems as if people do not understand what religion stands for anymore. It's no longer a believe of something, it's form of control to most very ignorant people.

[SpikeDawgProductions]

That's true, many people have true religious faith and care about it, so in many cases they're too worried being close to god to give a damn who gets married. I'm an atheist, I was agnostic at the time of the vid, but those who have a close relationship with god and a good life philosophy I can respect. Those who preach bigotry and hellfire, well, they're what's wrong with the world.

[CakefaceSmut]

I have respect for all faiths & philosophies. Even ones I think are total bullshit, which is the majority, & I have noticed people who understand faith as a whole, do care only about their relationship with their God(s)/Concepts to give a fuck who gets married. I used to be agnostic for the longest time, went back to the faith I was born into, than left it. I'm just a monotheist now. Those who preach "bigotry & hellfire," don't know what they are talking about & make themselves look like fools

[mikenice8008]

He's just as annoying as that militant drone girl.....hey Corey Haim wrap it up after 3:30

[mcowain]

Good video dude, A lot better than that ZJ 'thing', who just talks about things without giving it any deep thought.

[compsciguy]

@mcowain

Robots don't have the capacity for "deep thought" LOL

Just joking ZJ! I bet you get a kick out of the strange insults

you receive. People say I'm dirty and need to take a bath.

I'm OCD about germs, so...

[CommentAndAQuestion]

interesting take on what is perverse.

regarding religion mixing with politics.... yeah, it pisses me off that the LDS church took it upon themselves to support Prop 8. But I don't mind so much that Quakers fought against slavery back when it was legal.... but of course, it seems far more noble for a group to fight *for* the rights of others than *against* the rights of others....

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Hmmm while that's interesting, the question in mind is their reasoning. Was it because equal rights was important to them, or because their religion said so? I actually have a lot of respect for Quakers. But yes, it is far more noble imo to fight for the rights of people for anyone. There actually is a church near by that strongly supports gay marriage and i'm thinking of visiting for fun.

[MrShoy]

Religion is like laws, full of rules.

There is a structure of people that goes in some point of the world and help others, ok, but at the start of Christianity, it was something to limit people in harming others or doing something bad like going with other women or kill someone.

Now we have laws that more or less has those kind of religion laws.

[ThatOneNamlessGuy]

I assumed you were because of the shirt....

[SpikeDawgProductions]

You mean the flannel or black T?

[ThatOneNamlessGuy]

flanel

[NJMIgnatio]

I'd much rather listen to you then that trash ZJ. But thank you at least elaborating rather than just mouthing off vague generalities and blanket statements.

Topics like this can hardly be covered in a 2 min "commentary."

You were much nicer than I would ever be in a response video. Thank you.

[Belanthony2]

Haha, well I didn't think you were gonna defend christianity.

[liljuggla69]

well bro, juggalo or non juggalo, i will not associate with male homosexuals, gay and bi females r fine by me. if u got more to say, keep it to urself.

[SpikeDawgProductions]

yeah and why did you post this on THIS video?

[compsciguy]

@liljuggla69

That's a double standard. You like gay and bi females because

u are straight male. You don't like gay men b/c u are a man

urself. That's double standand and backwards logic.

[efi36]

atheists don't have to be 100% certain

[NJMIgnatio]

YEah, I think they do. Otherwise what is the use of "agnostic?"

[compsciguy]

@efi36

Uh...NOONE is certian about god or the beginning of

everything. That's impossible to be certain about such

concepts. Anyone that claims they know the absolute

truth to the origins of live and the universe has issues.

They would be the most richest person in the world! Richer

than Bill Gates!!

[coolintruddle]

Religion(not to be mistaken for spirituality), has been tied to governance since the very beginning . The rulers of mesopotamia used religious rites to assert their power over the masses . This culture was around 5000 years ago and every religion since has basically been the same. Church and state are bound by their mutual need to control people .

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Exactly, people use religion and "god" as a way to support their own discomforts and to control the masses. If they don't have a good reason, they just use god.

[coolintruddle]

Personally I don't care if people believe in a god. It's the organization of the zealots into a controlling body that irks me.God and religion are 2 wholly different things.

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Definitely, if there is a god, he/she/it is not to blame: religion is. Though god is not necessary in spirituality, the difference between god and religion can be compared to spirituality and religion. religion has spirituality, but spirituality does not have religion. Same with god.

[draWdable]

Hmm... Though its hard to listen to anyone talk about religion yeah..... Likes the shirt and all. Would be a million times better w/sleeves though. Hehehe.

No really. You always look amazing but yeah

[SpikeDawgProductions]

haha nah I like it without. Not a fan of flannels with sleeves.

[draWdable]

Me is.... :( I likes dem....

[cxsss]

Im raising money for child abused children, Me and my friends are doing some things to raise money, for a community project. And we didnt want to do anything but that.

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[dgracey01]

totally agree.

[DaneVincentVid]

Religion and politics will always be mixed!

You should consider looking into atheist spirituality.

I agree with you on sex within relationships and freedom for people to choice having safe sex. I agree with you on not having to be married before sex (maybe never getting married if your non religious) and actually trusting.

I don't agree with your view on abolition as much as I care for women's rights and children in care, I still believe once a human being is created they have a right to live

[compsciguy]

@DaneVincentVid

Abolition? Don't you mean abortion?

[DaneVincentVid]

@compsciguy lol yeh sorry.

[xeraen]

8:30 - Bravo! Totally agreed.

[lordwindowlicker]

I don't see the point in your video. You're not saying anything that isn't basic common sense, and you're missing information to boot.

Go read the bible sometime. It has a lot of good teachings, but it's also filled with plenty of hate. Nothing positive found in the bible could not be attained from a secular standpoint. However, all the negative things that are said are a direct result of what god supposedly commands of his followers. Understand?

[compsciguy]

@lordwindowlicker

Wrong. Stalin, Hiterl, Poe Plot, Marque de Sade were ALL Atheists,

and all were very evil immoral psychopaths. They denounced religion like it

was the Black Plaque! HItler was raised a Roman Catholic, but he soon used

his relligion to gain following under his "false prophet" ego mania. He wasn't

a true Christian. How could he be? He delved into the occult and Nostradaumus. lol

[lordwindowlicker]

@compsciguy

They may have been atheists, but that doesn't mean they did horrible things in the name of atheism.. or even if they did, it wouldn't matter. If I were insane, and incredibly patriotic.. then I went on a killing spree in the name of America, would that make America a bad country? Or harm the ideals on which America was founded? Religion has harmful dogma that can brainwash people, and allow them to rationalize doing things that they wouldn't normally do.

[Specialjorj]

You were right! When I first saw you I thought you'd be calling ZJ a fag and tell him he was gonna burn in hell. But very good video. Not through listening to your vid at the moment lol, but I agree with you on abortion. Do I think you should do it? No. Is it really my buisness? No. 5/5.

[uttaus]

I assumed that as well.

You rambled on a bit.

You are making good points you just need to organize your thoughts and be a bit more concise.

Good luck and keep an open mind.

[aspirefire12]

i did

[ImPotatoes]

Technically you can be both agnostic and atheist. Atheism and theism deal with a persons belief in God, whereas gnosticism and agnosticism deal with a persons perceived knowledge. You lack a belief in god, therefore you are an atheist. You also do not claim to know for certain wether or not there is a God, therefore you are an agnostic.

[mansonfrreak]

fuck....I did asume that...

[SpikeDawgProductions]

hahahaha knew i'd get at least one person :D

[InfernalReaper25]

Hm, how about a second?

[FluidDeconstructor]

Religion aka institutionalized superstition acts like a parasite that plugs into social cohesion.

It does nothing that other means/organizations do better. And statistics support that.

Do some research, the notion itself of religion doing good things is highly inflated.

[compsciguy]

@FluidDeconstructor

You are delusional. You say religion does stuff that other means do better?

How is charitable work even comparable? Get informed, please.

[FluidDeconstructor]

@compsciguy

Actually, you should get informed. How is it possible that you didn't understand that even charitable organizations that are immersed in superstitious symbolism would exist without such symbolism.

Like Arthur C. Clarke said:

"The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion."

[yurei8]

I think you hit on something, when you said that the question is whether negative things are done because of religion or in spite of it. I think that it is in spite of the religion's principles. Also just like in the rest of life, there are competing principles in religion, like Justice and Mercy. It is the individual's choice of what is more important in each case, not the religion.

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Hmmm well in reference to a right-right or wrong-wrong situation (same thing either optimistically or pessimistically), religion does not touch on what is more important. However it does sometimes try to provide a sense of right in a right vs. wrong situation. The problem is, assuming there is a right and wrong, it often takes the wrong side. So yes, good people are good regardless of their religion. Many cases religion has changds people, but in ways that could have happened without it.

[Alterna123]

I used to be agnostic too after a few months or so from slow agonizing pain if switching to catholic (indoctrination :o) to atheism now it's just crazy thoughts in the back of my mind it all just seems ridiculous now although I do think Christianity and a few other religions do teach some good ways to be a good person but in regards to it being a base of laws total bs the and Abortion should be legal you don't know what reasons they may be getting the abortion so yeah I'm kinda on the same page

[yurei8]

i'm not sure I understand what you are saying, but I do believe that good people are good regardless. For example, I believe that a Bhuddist, who knew little about Jesus could be more "Christ-loving" than someone who 'knows' Christ, but does not behave according to what he taught.

[dj092768]

So, you think the human race couldn't have figured out that not murdering, stealing from, or raping each other is a good thing with out a holy book saying so?

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Not at all, I'm referring not to not harming people, but to actually doing good. I think that religion provides a sense of morality, and gives people who are otherwise selfish a reason to give a damn. I also think that it could be achieved without religion, but what religion does is scares people into doing what's "right." I think morals should be taught without religion, but if people beleive, it's ok as long as they don't force it on people. As for the kids, I'd say the same, let them find out

[SpikeDawgProductions]

right and wrong elsewhere, and have religion taken out of the picture, except to provide as "some people beleive this, take a look and see if you agree"

[trypt0naut]

Good video response.

Wars used to be fought in the name of "God", in order to spread the religion virus.

Also, Richard Dawkins says he is a level 5 agnostic :) He is pretty much atheist except the whole construct of the scientific method leaves open the room for a possibility of anything.

I'm borderline atheist-agnostic as well.

rAmen.

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Thank you, I think that should there be a God, he would not be to blame however. It is people using a supernatural deity as an excuse to discriminate and control people. It truly is sad. It is nice to meet other athenostics lol. but then again what atheists are actually gnostic? Let me rephrase that, what sane person is gnostic? thanks for the comment :)

[compsciguy]

@trypt0naut

Dawkins seems to be somewhat of a joke. Preaching

to the choir. He seems to have become what he hates:

fundamentalist dogmatic devout ppl!

[equalityboy81]

Yes church and state should be separate.

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Yes, unfortunately people try to find loopholes to this, and use other reasoning while any body who doesn't have their head up their ass can tell it's purely religion forcing their screwed up morality down our throats. :/

[SpikeDawgProductions]

Lol thank you, glad you think so. :)