did she just say... that we are the youngest technology ... ?!?!?!
and who would be out there haha ... there is no oxygen .... there is no water ... no life ... no piece of shit !! ..... THERE IS NO LIFE IN OTHER PLANET STOP SEARCHING FOR EMPTY
@DoubleMisery You're pretty ignorant. Oxygen is the third most common element in the universe, and water is one of the most common molecules, abundant througout our solar system alone. The universe is also an incredibly big place with billions upon billions of planets. Asserting that we're the only show in town is the height of presumption.
@DoubleMisery you obviously havent seen any of the newer studies and discoveries about the universe.. see Jill Tarters talk on TED and you might understand how enormous the universe is... we know about as much about the universe as if you toke a glass of water from the ocean.. if you look at that glass of water and dont see any fish in it, would you then just say that there is no fish in the sea?
if you broadcast, geeze, use light huh? what, fill the Earth with light. Oh, well we've done that right? Okay, so let's just hold on for a few millenia and see what goes down?
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Because of the enormous possible timescale, it is very unlikely that there is another civilization close enough for us to be able to detect that's comparable to us in terms of technological development. Chances are that, if they exist, they are anything between hundreds of thousands and hundreds of millions of years ahead of us and have communication methods that are simply beyond our comprehension, making them virtually invisible for us.
0:45 This is just wrong! A scientific paper was written by Seth Shostak of all people arguing that the kinds of signals we're sending through our TV broadcasts dissipate and are indistinguishable from interstellar noise within 1-2 LY from earth. Even if they don't, sending out DIRECTED signals increases earth's radio visibility by orders of magnitude over whatever baseline value it has.
I lost a lot of respect for steven hawking when he was so pessimistic about the dangers of contacting aliens and actually tried to advise the governments of the Earth NOT to try to make contact. His negativity and pessimism about life in the universe really turned me off. If he had his way SETI would be shut down.
@Zurround100 -- I don't think that Hawking meant for SETI to shut down. I think what he meant was that the universe is so immense that we have no way of knowing anything about the nature and intentions of other intelligent beings out there. It is a logical, common sense statement.
@Zurround100 Ok, lets leap forward in time 100 years when we have the ability and space craft that can travel great distances, earth's vegetation has been struck by a disease that can't be contained or stopped, this has also polluted the seas and thus causing world wide starvation and death, the elite etc; are living in bunkers and bubbles, but they can't last long. So earth is doomed in the foreseeable future and we need a new healthy planet
I would listen to Steven Hawking’s suggestion. Listen and be quiet! There may be aliens out there that need a new planet. If there is other intelligent life, there is a good chance that they will be like us.
Uh. Well if you are talking about 10,000 year projects, i.e. if a civilization were 5,000 LY away, it would take 10,000 years to get a return signal. Shouldn't we then broadcast NOW? Are you saying in 10,000 years we won't grow up? I think that in 10,000 years we will either have wiped ourselves out (most likely) or possibly have overcome our current problems. Either way we might as well broadcast now.
"We're the youngest technology that could have any chance of communicating."
That was a reasonable statement given that we've only been able to communicate via radio for around 100 years. It wouldn't be likely that another civilization was in the same 100 year period unless there were around a 100 million civilizations in the galaxy. But if there were that many, some would have visited us by now, having noticed the O2 in our atmosphere 500 million yrs ago.
First, technical intelligence is not so likely that it happens naturally every time large creatures evolve. There has been at least 5 extinctions of large creatures, only to have them come back since the Cambrian, and the prior 5 times no technology arose.
Before that there was life for 3 billion years without fossilizing backbones.
Conclusion, whether life is highly likely or not, technology is by not means certain.
How can she be for certain that we are the "youngest technology in the galaxy" if we have yet to encounter extraterrestrials to measure our level of advancement? Although I am not saying that we are not...we can not comfortably say for certain that we are.
@CoffeyBreaks Shes saying we're at the earliest point of technology capable of having an "interstellar conversation," not that we are the youngest tech in the galaxy.
Right! The tigers might eat us up! What inferior species on the planet have humans not subjugated and dominated? Why would aliens be benevolent if they happened to be superior? They would enslave us, genetically manuipulate us, farm us, maybe even eat us. I can imagine human farms similar to dairy farms. I mean really think about it! Why would they be altruistic towards our species?
well, if technology is growing exponentially (kurzweil's singularity) then we shouldn't have to wait to long though rick strassman is already convinced about alien contact through dimethyltryptamine. i believe there is something to it, contact may come from elsewhere apart from the standard universe. we are allways being told to think outside the box.
Erm, is it just me or are have we not already been broadcasting signals since around 1888 when Herz "was the first person to intentionally transmit and receive radio" [Wikipedia]?
"Whether they are from another planet is completely unproven (and highly unlikely)."
Well that depends if you want to believe an opinion or the scientific method. If you actually studied the research, and there is some highly credible and thoroughly back up evidence and data, then the results are obvious.
But since you added "(and highly unlikely)", that of course means you have made up your mind and your arm chair conclusion by argument from incredulity and proclamation.
Marginalizing the issue by mentioning "hicks in a desert in the deep south" is the most typical classic debunking move there is and easily disproved by the vast number abductees, all completely random, from all walks of life, age, race, country of origin, and culture. There is no pattern other than being on Earth. Read John Edward Mack, M.D. professor at Harvard Medical School.
And, two, the gov't would keep that hidden at all coasts. The reasons are obvious.
However, you are correct; the gov't cannot keep this hidden. Atypical anomalous metallic objects of various shapes and sizes are routinely observes by military personal whose position are to control and guard our skies as well as by civilian controlled agencies. The evidence is overwhelming.
All the gov't or whoever decides these matters can do is damage control in the form of denial, propaganda, and misinformation.
If the idea that those supposedly in control of our planet were helpless in this matter got out, well guess what would happen?
Chaos?
Social upheaval?
The total and complete collapse of civilization?
Even with my open mind, I think I would be paralyzed by the open aspect of alien contact. I cannot imagine the impact it would have on a mind completely wrapped and consumed by a supernatural superstitious mindset.
And thats why it cannot be openly acknowledge, its just that simple.
Unlikely? Statistically it is unlikely that "UFO as alien spaceships never visited earth". The only reason that many people don't know or don't believe in it, is because governments never confirmed it. 50% of Americans believe in UFO and there is thousands of reliable witnesses from US air force as well as NASA that publicly confirm what they saw... unlikely... I like that :)
@magua73, They just need to tell folks they've found a lot of new frequencies in which we could be broadcasting our praise of god and listening for anything the almighty one might have to say to us. Then they'd get all the funding they need.
I always stop listening to people when they close their eye. It's usualy a sign that their lieng and don't want to face the response of others. That being said.. it's a none issue. Like she said: we've been broadcasting for years.
haha, did she actually just use a speech about making contact with aliens as an oppurtunity to equate global government with maturity as a species?? what a fucking moron.
In other words, she knows the real truth but the rest of you that may not be able to handle the truth need to grow up. Society as a whole needs to be made much safer for when the possible time comes beings can safely walk any street on the planet. Also many cling to old beliefs and have superstitions that could possibly demonize advanced beings. I imagine these beings see reality in a different light and do things much differently than us. Things considered "weird" or "paranormal".
Honestly, the content of the outgoing message doesn't really matter that much. It will essentially be a recognizably artificial beacon. I'm more interested in how to make the beacon itself.
I think the real issue is that we don't know what would happen when we make communicative contact. I'd like to think the radio would be shared democratically, but I can't be sure that the powerful wouldn't simply take the mike away. So I guess we do need more of a level global playing field first.
Do people here honestly think there are ET's watching us right now. Alien can mean anything. It could mean a microorganism. Even if there are other technological civilizations out there the likelihood of them reaching us in a spaceship is minimal if even at all. Just because they're not landing in the front lawn of the white house doesn't mean they don't exist. And why is there this idea that aliens are wiser and more advanced than us? Movies are not accurate. Google: Drake's equation.
2) Because of that, it is entirely likely that they are indeed more advanced than us. It's equally likely that they aren't. It's a question we can't answer, so for all we know it's 50-50.
3) The Purpose of science fiction, as in the films you mentions, is much more an expression of mankind's fear of the unknown than an actual take on an impending contact of the 4th kind.
It's more likely that all stages of life in evolutionary development exist throughout the Universe.
Dr. Michio Kaku breaks it down into 4 civilization types, Earth being a 0, and there's been a further division by other scientists, but Kaku, as he always does, explains it in a way that is representative, rational, and comprehensible.
there he ( I ) goes again.... remember when the Enterprise was being hunted in the Mutaran Nebula - blinded sensors..when Mr Spock made the observation of Kon's apparent strategy? He said it was "2 dimensional" (in a 3 dimensional space. We are using 3 dimensional thinking in a 10 dimensional universe....we don't have a clue what is or isn't out there - nor are we likely to.
what "transmitting" this lady is talking about? In what century does she live in? They ARE ALREADY in orbit around the planet with mother ships, etc! All you need is a couple of hundrend of dollars for a pair of night vision goggles to observe the whole activity in our skies, not billions of dollars for the SETI program, lol!
It's all well and good to dehumanize anyone who wouldn't want global governance and proclaim that anyone is even capable of representing all 6 (soon 7) billion people. But none of that changes the fact that we'll probably hit the technological singularity before anything we've sent out will ever come close to reaching ET.
Why would they? Humanity is an extremely violent species consumed by tribal warfare, obsessed and controlled Bronze Age supernatural superstitious ideologies, and allow greed and fear far too much dominion on this planet.
UFO research is some most highly documented and intensely studied phenomena that is consistently denied and ignored even though some of our most highly trained and trusted individuals have stepped forwarded with just such observations.
Why havent they landed on the White House lawn you ask?
Obviously E.T. is well aware of us and likely has been for a very long time.
Statistically and probability would indicate that, considering Earth is 4bil yrs old and the Milky Way is close to 14bil yrs old, the Earth has been studied and catalogued. In fact, its likely the entire Milky Way is known as well.
I hate it when people use phrases like "Statistically and probability would indicate that..." in reference to something that is realistically unknown and mathematically impossible to calculate. Look up the Drake Equation, it's the closest thing we have to any sort of measure of what you're talking about... and we don't know the value of ANY of the variables in it, rendering it completely useless.
You can conclude NOTHING from your premises, because you don't. in fact, know critical values like.... what is the probability that life would form on a planet that COULD sustain it? How long does it take to initialize, on average? Etc.
You made a claim you have no support for, give it up.
I have stated an opinion and I will stand by it regardless of your nihilistic babble and some puerile need to feel intellectually superior on an imaginary high ground.
I may conclude whatever I like, but I base my ideas from individuals such as Carl Sagan, Frank Drake, and Michio Kaku who I trust far more than some random kid on YT who thinks they content, but offer nothing more arm chair criticism.
Keep trying; Im sure youll convince yourself of something eventually if you write it enough, but leave the critical thinking to the adults and rational people.
Your need to resort to pathetic ad hominem attacks in reply to my arguments about evidence, what is known, and what is not undermine your very attempt at making a case.
You claim "statistically and probability would indicate..." Well, I'm calling you out on it; Produce your "statistics" and "probability studies" or I call BULL and the discussion is over with me the victor. Simple as that.
What if they are already broadcasting and the signal they transmit is not one in which is easily decoded via our means of technology?... I think these ET's been and are communicating DIRECTLY to us, we but need to calm our minds to listen.
Don't speak for earth, never will you get billions of people who all want to be represented by the same message. Speak for your organization and send that message out.
If the horse is already out of the barn, why not get them something other then I Love Lucy and Ren and Stimpy broadcasts.
we do NOT need to broadcast anymore! They ARE ALREADY here....we watch them every night with our night vision goggles...you can also see clips here on youtube...when are you people going to wake up? You should be asking Obama and the rest for disclosure so that the money that are going to SETI and similar programs will FINALLY go to education and domestic infrastructure!
Youngest - compared to what / who?? If there is a comparison to make such an evaluation - that sounds like some reasonably conclusive evidence of a cover up and that the decision is moot. duh... Parly vous Engliase?
She said we're the youngest a species could be and still possibly engage in interstellar communication. You're misinterpreting what she's saying, but more importantly, what one person says at TED is never going to be conclusive evidence of a coverup of anything.
I'm simply saying while she's claiming to be objective she can only be subjective as she has no value upon which to draw her conclusion. As for what people do or do not say on TED...be careful using words like "never" - the only true constant is change intended or not. It is after all the only absolute (besides the vodka).
We should give it a shot. Find a likely system which the new obrital observatories and beam a strong signal at it. It's not like "they" are going to hear it any time soon. We might get lucky an ten thousand years from now make first contact.
Yes for all the leaders of countries, ego driven populace and power addicted military men with fingers on the nuclear weapon buttons that may freak when advanced beings from other worlds tell them the jig is up and this is not solely a human world but a shared world with all cosmic beings. All human laws, social rules and hierarchy will no longer apply. We are all equal in the universe. War, destruction of the planet and inequality must end.
did she just say... that we are the youngest technology ... ?!?!?!
and who would be out there haha ... there is no oxygen .... there is no water ... no life ... no piece of shit !! ..... THERE IS NO LIFE IN OTHER PLANET STOP SEARCHING FOR EMPTY
DoubleMisery 6 months ago
@DoubleMisery You're pretty ignorant. Oxygen is the third most common element in the universe, and water is one of the most common molecules, abundant througout our solar system alone. The universe is also an incredibly big place with billions upon billions of planets. Asserting that we're the only show in town is the height of presumption.
ancalites 5 months ago
@DoubleMisery you obviously havent seen any of the newer studies and discoveries about the universe.. see Jill Tarters talk on TED and you might understand how enormous the universe is... we know about as much about the universe as if you toke a glass of water from the ocean.. if you look at that glass of water and dont see any fish in it, would you then just say that there is no fish in the sea?
DonCramon 2 months ago
TV and Radio signals will not be detectable light years away,
Pioneer 10 and 11 still receive command control signals, on the edge of the Solar System, which could be picked up in years to come.
Both of these Spaceships have a gold plaque, with info about the Earth.
STEVEGET 6 months ago
I know it's been said before, but shouldn't we search for terrestrial intelligence first?
freedeanna 7 months ago
if you broadcast, geeze, use light huh? what, fill the Earth with light. Oh, well we've done that right? Okay, so let's just hold on for a few millenia and see what goes down?
oscarian 10 months ago
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RagingBubuli 11 months ago
Because of the enormous possible timescale, it is very unlikely that there is another civilization close enough for us to be able to detect that's comparable to us in terms of technological development. Chances are that, if they exist, they are anything between hundreds of thousands and hundreds of millions of years ahead of us and have communication methods that are simply beyond our comprehension, making them virtually invisible for us.
istvanklein 1 year ago
0:45 This is just wrong! A scientific paper was written by Seth Shostak of all people arguing that the kinds of signals we're sending through our TV broadcasts dissipate and are indistinguishable from interstellar noise within 1-2 LY from earth. Even if they don't, sending out DIRECTED signals increases earth's radio visibility by orders of magnitude over whatever baseline value it has.
Jacnas 1 year ago
They should send her into space
globalmagnet 1 year ago
if the aliens are anything like mankind we are screwed!
globalmagnet 1 year ago 4
@globalmagnet lol
apostolisxa 1 year ago
I lost a lot of respect for steven hawking when he was so pessimistic about the dangers of contacting aliens and actually tried to advise the governments of the Earth NOT to try to make contact. His negativity and pessimism about life in the universe really turned me off. If he had his way SETI would be shut down.
Zurround100 1 year ago
@Zurround100 -- I don't think that Hawking meant for SETI to shut down. I think what he meant was that the universe is so immense that we have no way of knowing anything about the nature and intentions of other intelligent beings out there. It is a logical, common sense statement.
boomtao 1 year ago
@Zurround100 Ok, lets leap forward in time 100 years when we have the ability and space craft that can travel great distances, earth's vegetation has been struck by a disease that can't be contained or stopped, this has also polluted the seas and thus causing world wide starvation and death, the elite etc; are living in bunkers and bubbles, but they can't last long. So earth is doomed in the foreseeable future and we need a new healthy planet
What would happen if we found an inhabited world?
Zero7evenX 1 year ago
I would listen to Steven Hawking’s suggestion. Listen and be quiet! There may be aliens out there that need a new planet. If there is other intelligent life, there is a good chance that they will be like us.
starblazers1969 1 year ago
01:30 - I suspect that when we *do* receive a message from extraterrestrials, it will say something like:
"Before posting, please read the FAQ."
sbergman27 1 year ago
Jill says "if you're in the Jungle at night". What if you are in a zoo?
Wayworld01 1 year ago
Uh. Well if you are talking about 10,000 year projects, i.e. if a civilization were 5,000 LY away, it would take 10,000 years to get a return signal. Shouldn't we then broadcast NOW? Are you saying in 10,000 years we won't grow up? I think that in 10,000 years we will either have wiped ourselves out (most likely) or possibly have overcome our current problems. Either way we might as well broadcast now.
MazeleyFanClub 1 year ago
"We're the youngest technology that could have any chance of communicating."
That was a reasonable statement given that we've only been able to communicate via radio for around 100 years. It wouldn't be likely that another civilization was in the same 100 year period unless there were around a 100 million civilizations in the galaxy. But if there were that many, some would have visited us by now, having noticed the O2 in our atmosphere 500 million yrs ago.
neoaeonian 2 years ago
We know some things about the critical values.
First, technical intelligence is not so likely that it happens naturally every time large creatures evolve. There has been at least 5 extinctions of large creatures, only to have them come back since the Cambrian, and the prior 5 times no technology arose.
Before that there was life for 3 billion years without fossilizing backbones.
Conclusion, whether life is highly likely or not, technology is by not means certain.
neoaeonian 2 years ago
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Awhiffofsuspicion 2 years ago
How can she be for certain that we are the "youngest technology in the galaxy" if we have yet to encounter extraterrestrials to measure our level of advancement? Although I am not saying that we are not...we can not comfortably say for certain that we are.
CoffeyBreaks 2 years ago
@CoffeyBreaks Shes saying we're at the earliest point of technology capable of having an "interstellar conversation," not that we are the youngest tech in the galaxy.
fractalbuddha 2 years ago
@CoffeyBreaks
"How can she be for certain that we are the "youngest technology in the galaxy""
You are the one claiming she is certain, nobody I know in science has ever claimed anything with absolute certainty.
As such, absolute certainties belong to the realm of dogma not science.
Her claim to knowledge is based on probabilities, in that sense in makes perfect sense to claim we are the youngest technology in the galaxy.
magua73 2 years ago
Right! The tigers might eat us up! What inferior species on the planet have humans not subjugated and dominated? Why would aliens be benevolent if they happened to be superior? They would enslave us, genetically manuipulate us, farm us, maybe even eat us. I can imagine human farms similar to dairy farms. I mean really think about it! Why would they be altruistic towards our species?
RyRyVids 2 years ago
well, if technology is growing exponentially (kurzweil's singularity) then we shouldn't have to wait to long though rick strassman is already convinced about alien contact through dimethyltryptamine. i believe there is something to it, contact may come from elsewhere apart from the standard universe. we are allways being told to think outside the box.
Awhiffofsuspicion 2 years ago
Was she asleep when she did this speech? Her eyes hardly opened at all.
limpnail 2 years ago
Who would decide when we are "grown up" enough, and what does "grown up" mean?
St00sh13 2 years ago
To be more open-minded.
marvzHilton 2 years ago
That's your definition.
I am aware of what being "grown up" could mean. That wasn't my point.
My point was who gets to decide on the definition and on the issue of when we have become "grown up" enough?
St00sh13 2 years ago
Erm, is it just me or are have we not already been broadcasting signals since around 1888 when Herz "was the first person to intentionally transmit and receive radio" [Wikipedia]?
St00sh13 2 years ago
Listened to it again. Must have missed the bit where she, more or less, said that. My bad!
St00sh13 2 years ago
Just hope those grown-ups don't molest us!
k166a 2 years ago
Why bother... they already know we are here. UFO is a fact.
mrmaciejm 2 years ago
"Unidentified Flying Objects" are a fact. Whether they are from another planet is completely unproven (and highly unlikely).
Why bother? Well, we have been intentionally transmitting radio signals for around 120 years anyway.
St00sh13 2 years ago
@St00sh13
"Whether they are from another planet is completely unproven (and highly unlikely)."
Well that depends if you want to believe an opinion or the scientific method. If you actually studied the research, and there is some highly credible and thoroughly back up evidence and data, then the results are obvious.
But since you added "(and highly unlikely)", that of course means you have made up your mind and your arm chair conclusion by argument from incredulity and proclamation.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
I have no doubt there is life out there somewhere. The number alone would back that up.
I also have no doubt that there are Unidentified Flying Objects. However that just means we can't explain them, not that your hypothesis is correct.
However, if they had visited us we would know about it. They wouldn't just visit some army lab and a couple of hicks in a desert in the deep south.
If they were able to visit us their technology would be far superior and no government could keep them hidden.
St00sh13 2 years ago
@St00sh13
Two things:
Marginalizing the issue by mentioning "hicks in a desert in the deep south" is the most typical classic debunking move there is and easily disproved by the vast number abductees, all completely random, from all walks of life, age, race, country of origin, and culture. There is no pattern other than being on Earth. Read John Edward Mack, M.D. professor at Harvard Medical School.
And, two, the gov't would keep that hidden at all coasts. The reasons are obvious.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
However, you are correct; the gov't cannot keep this hidden. Atypical anomalous metallic objects of various shapes and sizes are routinely observes by military personal whose position are to control and guard our skies as well as by civilian controlled agencies. The evidence is overwhelming.
All the gov't or whoever decides these matters can do is damage control in the form of denial, propaganda, and misinformation.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
If the idea that those supposedly in control of our planet were helpless in this matter got out, well guess what would happen?
Chaos?
Social upheaval?
The total and complete collapse of civilization?
Even with my open mind, I think I would be paralyzed by the open aspect of alien contact. I cannot imagine the impact it would have on a mind completely wrapped and consumed by a supernatural superstitious mindset.
And thats why it cannot be openly acknowledge, its just that simple.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
Unlikely? Statistically it is unlikely that "UFO as alien spaceships never visited earth". The only reason that many people don't know or don't believe in it, is because governments never confirmed it. 50% of Americans believe in UFO and there is thousands of reliable witnesses from US air force as well as NASA that publicly confirm what they saw... unlikely... I like that :)
mrmaciejm 2 years ago
SETI! TOTAL WASTE OF PUBLIC MONEY!
RemiG2006 2 years ago
RemiG2006 wrote:
"SETI! TOTAL WASTE OF PUBLIC MONEY! "
Yeah, science and education are sooo overrated.
Btw, public money? I thought they went private sometime ago.
magua73 2 years ago
@magua73, They just need to tell folks they've found a lot of new frequencies in which we could be broadcasting our praise of god and listening for anything the almighty one might have to say to us. Then they'd get all the funding they need.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
Hah, that explains why all the aliens we encounter in science fiction are more advanced than us. They came to the exact same decision.
0BatGirl0 2 years ago
I always stop listening to people when they close their eye. It's usualy a sign that their lieng and don't want to face the response of others. That being said.. it's a none issue. Like she said: we've been broadcasting for years.
LordNapalm 2 years ago
We didn't land on Roswell... ROSWELL LANDED ON US!
eeedel 2 years ago
What if the Borg hear?
arcanist9 2 years ago 6
Then we wont resist, its futile.
TigerOfKarlstad 2 years ago
@arcanist9 bjorn borg has been here for years!
dimebag690 2 years ago
@arcanist9 - We will be assimilated. ;D
skeletonmom 2 years ago
@skeletonmom, Most of already have been.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
LOL good point.
arcanist9 2 years ago
@ananiasacts - Good point... :s
skeletonmom 2 years ago
@arcanist9 who cares, resistance is futile
texasfossilguy 1 year ago
Here we go
katards 2 years ago
nooooooooooooooo
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
it's inevitable that our species makes open contact, and it behooves us to be on our best manners for our guests.
Justin9Noble 2 years ago
let's waste money on this shit while we haven't talked to our own fucking neighbors yet.
AimiriZ 2 years ago
Wasn't it proven that signals become unintelligible after like 1 or 2 light years....doesn't that make seti useless?
fequalsma42 2 years ago
No.
fourthirteen 2 years ago
She is dumber then I thought she was.
- Who speaks for earth? Who cares.
- We don't have the technology or money to create a SETI style radio transmitter.
- Even if we could do it, it would take 1000s of years to get a response, we will have grown up (or died out) by then.
TheVigilante2000 2 years ago
Interstellar conversation? What kind of kool-aide is she drinking?
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
haha, did she actually just use a speech about making contact with aliens as an oppurtunity to equate global government with maturity as a species?? what a fucking moron.
oiuoiu988 2 years ago
In other words, she knows the real truth but the rest of you that may not be able to handle the truth need to grow up. Society as a whole needs to be made much safer for when the possible time comes beings can safely walk any street on the planet. Also many cling to old beliefs and have superstitions that could possibly demonize advanced beings. I imagine these beings see reality in a different light and do things much differently than us. Things considered "weird" or "paranormal".
TheValiantThor 2 years ago 3
Honestly, the content of the outgoing message doesn't really matter that much. It will essentially be a recognizably artificial beacon. I'm more interested in how to make the beacon itself.
I think the real issue is that we don't know what would happen when we make communicative contact. I'd like to think the radio would be shared democratically, but I can't be sure that the powerful wouldn't simply take the mike away. So I guess we do need more of a level global playing field first.
JasonMelancon 2 years ago
"We're the youngest technology in the galaxy..."
...Now there's a curious remark if ever I've heard one.
JCLeSinge 2 years ago 3
Do people here honestly think there are ET's watching us right now. Alien can mean anything. It could mean a microorganism. Even if there are other technological civilizations out there the likelihood of them reaching us in a spaceship is minimal if even at all. Just because they're not landing in the front lawn of the white house doesn't mean they don't exist. And why is there this idea that aliens are wiser and more advanced than us? Movies are not accurate. Google: Drake's equation.
GrrricaPeace 2 years ago 2
1) Every variable in Drake's equation is unknown.
2) Because of that, it is entirely likely that they are indeed more advanced than us. It's equally likely that they aren't. It's a question we can't answer, so for all we know it's 50-50.
3) The Purpose of science fiction, as in the films you mentions, is much more an expression of mankind's fear of the unknown than an actual take on an impending contact of the 4th kind.
PSK11489 2 years ago
It's more likely that all stages of life in evolutionary development exist throughout the Universe.
Dr. Michio Kaku breaks it down into 4 civilization types, Earth being a 0, and there's been a further division by other scientists, but Kaku, as he always does, explains it in a way that is representative, rational, and comprehensible.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
this lady needs to open her eyes. literally.
legodesi 2 years ago 15
there he ( I ) goes again.... remember when the Enterprise was being hunted in the Mutaran Nebula - blinded sensors..when Mr Spock made the observation of Kon's apparent strategy? He said it was "2 dimensional" (in a 3 dimensional space. We are using 3 dimensional thinking in a 10 dimensional universe....we don't have a clue what is or isn't out there - nor are we likely to.
Snowflake70 2 years ago
what "transmitting" this lady is talking about? In what century does she live in? They ARE ALREADY in orbit around the planet with mother ships, etc! All you need is a couple of hundrend of dollars for a pair of night vision goggles to observe the whole activity in our skies, not billions of dollars for the SETI program, lol!
cat22203 2 years ago
@cat22203 um sarcasm? lol
Shatonmedeek 2 years ago
Oh lord, I hope so.
PSK11489 2 years ago
Its clear any open contact or intervention would be cataclysmic, create an identity crisis, and likely instigate a collapse of civilization.
History has taught us that from several examples from our past and I sure any technological advanced civilization would be quite aware of that danger.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
It's all well and good to dehumanize anyone who wouldn't want global governance and proclaim that anyone is even capable of representing all 6 (soon 7) billion people. But none of that changes the fact that we'll probably hit the technological singularity before anything we've sent out will ever come close to reaching ET.
Mastikator 2 years ago
Why would they? Humanity is an extremely violent species consumed by tribal warfare, obsessed and controlled Bronze Age supernatural superstitious ideologies, and allow greed and fear far too much dominion on this planet.
mattghtpa 2 years ago 2
UFO research is some most highly documented and intensely studied phenomena that is consistently denied and ignored even though some of our most highly trained and trusted individuals have stepped forwarded with just such observations.
Why havent they landed on the White House lawn you ask?
mattghtpa 2 years ago
Obviously E.T. is well aware of us and likely has been for a very long time.
Statistically and probability would indicate that, considering Earth is 4bil yrs old and the Milky Way is close to 14bil yrs old, the Earth has been studied and catalogued. In fact, its likely the entire Milky Way is known as well.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
@mattghtpa,
I hate it when people use phrases like "Statistically and probability would indicate that..." in reference to something that is realistically unknown and mathematically impossible to calculate. Look up the Drake Equation, it's the closest thing we have to any sort of measure of what you're talking about... and we don't know the value of ANY of the variables in it, rendering it completely useless.
CharBroiled04 2 years ago
What coincidence, I hate it when people hate.
Now that is completely useless.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
@mattghtpa,
So is claiming to know something that is currently unknowable. Worse than useless, it disseminates bad information.
CharBroiled04 2 years ago
@CharBroiled04
I'm not claiming special knowledge. No where in what I stated implies anything other than opinion, which makes my assertion as valid as yours.
But I can infer some somethings:
1. Earth has an enormous diversity of life and has for nearly a billion yrs.
2. The organic molecules necessary for life as we understand it are enormously ample.
3. Solar systems very similar to ours are common, accompanied by trillions of planets.
4. The Universe is approx 14bil yrs old.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
From these I can form certain ideas, currently not testable, but never the less, far from exaggerated.
I would, however, wager my views are far more aligned with those that understand the subject better than you or I.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
@mattghtpa
You can conclude NOTHING from your premises, because you don't. in fact, know critical values like.... what is the probability that life would form on a planet that COULD sustain it? How long does it take to initialize, on average? Etc.
You made a claim you have no support for, give it up.
CharBroiled04 2 years ago
@CharBroiled04
I have stated an opinion and I will stand by it regardless of your nihilistic babble and some puerile need to feel intellectually superior on an imaginary high ground.
I may conclude whatever I like, but I base my ideas from individuals such as Carl Sagan, Frank Drake, and Michio Kaku who I trust far more than some random kid on YT who thinks they content, but offer nothing more arm chair criticism.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
Keep trying; Im sure youll convince yourself of something eventually if you write it enough, but leave the critical thinking to the adults and rational people.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
@mattghtpa,
Your need to resort to pathetic ad hominem attacks in reply to my arguments about evidence, what is known, and what is not undermine your very attempt at making a case.
You claim "statistically and probability would indicate..." Well, I'm calling you out on it; Produce your "statistics" and "probability studies" or I call BULL and the discussion is over with me the victor. Simple as that.
CharBroiled04 2 years ago
@CharBroiled04
The disussion was already over, I don't need your approval to state an opinion.
I gave my reasons already, refer to those.
mattghtpa 2 years ago
What if they are already broadcasting and the signal they transmit is not one in which is easily decoded via our means of technology?... I think these ET's been and are communicating DIRECTLY to us, we but need to calm our minds to listen.
fayblefairy 2 years ago
well meet them soon and every oens going to freak out
8254988 2 years ago
"Should We Broadcast?"
Yes.
"Who should speak for earth?"
Don't speak for earth, never will you get billions of people who all want to be represented by the same message. Speak for your organization and send that message out.
If the horse is already out of the barn, why not get them something other then I Love Lucy and Ren and Stimpy broadcasts.
MotionFur 2 years ago 2
we do NOT need to broadcast anymore! They ARE ALREADY here....we watch them every night with our night vision goggles...you can also see clips here on youtube...when are you people going to wake up? You should be asking Obama and the rest for disclosure so that the money that are going to SETI and similar programs will FINALLY go to education and domestic infrastructure!
cat22203 2 years ago
Youngest - compared to what / who?? If there is a comparison to make such an evaluation - that sounds like some reasonably conclusive evidence of a cover up and that the decision is moot. duh... Parly vous Engliase?
Snowflake70 2 years ago
She said we're the youngest a species could be and still possibly engage in interstellar communication. You're misinterpreting what she's saying, but more importantly, what one person says at TED is never going to be conclusive evidence of a coverup of anything.
wrongheadedfool 2 years ago
I'm simply saying while she's claiming to be objective she can only be subjective as she has no value upon which to draw her conclusion. As for what people do or do not say on TED...be careful using words like "never" - the only true constant is change intended or not. It is after all the only absolute (besides the vodka).
Snowflake70 2 years ago
well said
fallbread 2 years ago
You are already broadcasting...it is called television...
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
It was amazing when they got a message back from space as crop circles
hyunseob900 2 years ago
Turn up the sonic oscilator three more points!
We should give it a shot. Find a likely system which the new obrital observatories and beam a strong signal at it. It's not like "they" are going to hear it any time soon. We might get lucky an ten thousand years from now make first contact.
petehjr1 2 years ago 2
So we need global governance before we meet E.T.s?
asdimd 2 years ago 2
Yes for all the leaders of countries, ego driven populace and power addicted military men with fingers on the nuclear weapon buttons that may freak when advanced beings from other worlds tell them the jig is up and this is not solely a human world but a shared world with all cosmic beings. All human laws, social rules and hierarchy will no longer apply. We are all equal in the universe. War, destruction of the planet and inequality must end.
TheValiantThor 2 years ago