One of the bad things that we will see coming up, apart from a war on Iran, is going to be a war on Somalia. Heres General Clark predicting wars in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan and Iran.
Good, but exceptionally long-winded. May I suggest you consider using a style similar to CPGrey -- another YouTuber who I think excels at explaining things in an easily digestible manner.
Somalia is not anarchist. Its full of brown people. The NGOs that refuse to go into Somalia because it is too dangerous are just.. um... afraid of how great things are going there! Right!
I like True News so much more than Fake News. Sometimes I'm not sure they're telling me the truth on Fake News, but I know I can trust True News because true is in the title.
Another countris with No public education, No Environmental law, No business or commerce regulation, No Labor law, NoGovernment Social security or medicare, No social safety net - Unemployment, welfare, food stamps, medicaid or housing assistance, No auto or highway safety requirements, No government oversight of food, drug, or product safety are also
In the World Audit.org audit, The 2009 corruption rankings for 180 democratic countries in the World Democracy Audit listed SOMALIA as one of the most corrupt democratic countries in the world; as it was placed 149th.
America was ranked 17th least corrupt, in the corruption rank.
SO IT IS ALSO A HEAVEN FOR CORRUPTION, OR ACCORDINNG TO LIBERTARIANS, corruption will dissapear in a libertarioan society lol
just a tip: when you cite a source in the video, please add the link in the description. people are more likely to actually check it out when they can click something instead of having to copy a long url by pausing the video and looking at it.
@wassworth Of course it was! The USSR was classic communism. Oh, it didn't fit the Marx fantasy of mindless humanoid ants, all happy with their respective tasks with no ambition or thoughts of their own. But that's because the USSR was made up of humans. Therefore a repressive dictatorship was needed to prevent them from doing things that free people do.
The USSR was not Classical Communism, have you read Das Capital? the USSR was an example of the State Capitalism, not communism, in a real marxist communist society, the goal was to eliminate the state, the opposite achieved at the USSR, that is the reason why such contradiction in marxist theory needed a represive dictatorship to avoid the masses to question, thats why Stalin go rid of the old Bolshevik guard including Trotsky.
@AmaruRuna It WAS classic communism in fact. That was my point. The mythological communist society where people become mindless robotic ants with all the exact same needs and desires in the absence of freedom is a silly fantasy that only people with mental capacities less that three year olds could ever believe in. For any sort of communist system to exist, it requires brutal dictatorship to prevent people from trading. Capitalism is simply what free people do.
Again you failed to understand the definition of "communism" and seeing from your answer shows ignorance of the topic, Marx defines Communism as a STATELESS society, same believe as the teabaggers and the anarchist, so how can a powerful state will be classical comunism?
A system much more similar to Clasical Communism, are the Amish and the Mennonites communities, and the Kibbutz rather than the USSR.
Capitalism NOT= Freedom, ask Latinos during right wing dictatorships
@AmaruRuna You are only exposing your reading comprehension problem as well as illustrating my point. The Amish, etc., cannot exist outside of a country which protects them and their rights. They are under states which provide defense for them. Marx was an idiot who thought like a 2 year old. His fantasy was no more realistic than the Smurfs. Communism, cannot exist without imposition by a brutal dictatorship.
You are teling me that the USSR is Classical Communist and I have give you he definition from Marx himself, not your. You now mention that the Amish live in a country, well well, now you are defending the power of the state; The Smurfs lived outside of a state, that why they could realize their dream, in the case of the USSR it was a very diverse state with different believes and even radical islam, thans to the evil USSR is that Central Asian countries women got their freedom.
@AmaruRuna Are you really this incapable of comprehension?Like I said, Marx's fantasy system was and is utter nonsense. For ANY communist state to exist, it has to be imposed by brutal dictatorship to force people to participate. The only free people who choose to live communally are small groups of like minded people, and those cannot provide any defense of their way of life. Therefore, they can nly practice such a think inside the protection of a free society.
What I mean is any kind of system if they disagree with the values of most people and does not conform with their culture, it needs to have a dictatorship to be imposed, another though is THE ARAB REVOLTS and the IRANIAN REVOLUTION, the Shah imposed an capitalist dictatorship, destroyed a democratic elected socialist goverment, and guess what they have now a radical islamist group in power.
The Cold War finished 21 years ago and the binary fallacy comunism=evil, capitalism=good has finished
@AmaruRuna Any system which imposes on the rights of people is evil. That, by definition, is evil. Democracy is evil for the same reason. The majority is no better a dictator than a lone thug. Groups do not have rights, individuals have rights. A socialist state is evil whether imposed by a thug or imposed by the majority. Capitalism is simply what free people do. When free, people trade what they have for what they want. Their "needs" are not decided by others.
So Democracy is evil that means you prefer a dictactorship, I see your point
Everyone belongs to a group, there is no such think as PURE INDIVIDUAL, from your birth you belonged to a group called FAMILY and you must comply with their rules worst if your parents are totalitarian beings, at work you must obey your boss tyrany. Capitalism is not freedom either, think about Microsoft, and big corporations, they are WORST like modern feudal lords
@AmaruRuna " think about Microsoft, and big corporations" a business that only has so much power because of state violence. Doesn't microsoft through copy right laws around like a club?
Have you heard about the case "Microsoft vs US"? Thanks to the State we have antitrust laws to ensure competition and limit cartels and oligopolies like Microsoft. The best wish for big business like Microsoft and Monsanto is the disappearance of the State, because they can save millions on bribing politicians creating lobbies and laws that limit their absolute power.
@AmaruRuna Non-liable (execs) corporations only exist because of the state, what the hell are you talking about?
Look at Monsanto, by statute, a gorcery store can't even force Monsanto to label what products their GMO stuff is in. The minster of agriculture (Canada) is a former Monsanto exec
Look at BP Oil, they shit in our oceans constantly, yet we're forced to do business with them because of gov't.
"When free, people trade what they have for what they want. Their "needs" are not decided by others". THAT IS BULLSHIT, needs are decided not only by people but also by the circumstances and also the availability of resources, the weather, and the state of the planet itself. That is what in economics are called EXTERNALITIES.
This video talks how good is now Somalia, well if is good why there is hunger now?
Look at now the current world situation, you seem that live in a
@AmaruRuna Libertarian anti-communism is not mere cold war hysteria. Communism is one of the leftist ideologies which propose the abolition of ownership of property. Hardly a liberating idea.
Communism proposed the comunal ownership of property, not the abolition of it. The fact is that communism could work in small communities, not in the whole humanity, in that case freedom is not affected
In fact having a pure anarcho capitalist system will encourage the law of the jungle and in the end only the most powerful will control and as communism, we are slaves of the system, but in a smarter way, by giving you limited choices
@AmaruRuna "Communism proposed the comunal ownership of property, not the abolition of it. The fact is that communism could work in small communities, not in the whole humanity, in that case freedom is not affected"
This goes against the "Communism must be a global effort" I hear from actual marxists.
@wassworth The USSR was absolutely communist! It just doesn't match the silly childish fantasy of a stateless society where all the mindless ants are happy working for the Borg collective with no individual thoughts, dreams or ambitions. If the dictatorship frees the slaves, then communism ceases to exist as free people trade freely.
i think people forget that not every country has constitutions and human right ideals. shouldnt real screw with other countries. If the people really couldn't stand it they would or would have revolted. I know it sounds mean but too bad
Some of the data is unsourced, but overall it is a superb presentation, thank you so much; you will probably never fully realize the social benefit you provide but I hope you get enough satisfaction and money to keep doing it anyway!
I wonder who is creating and administering these vaccines in Somalia? Hopefully not the UN W.H.O. henchmen of the Rockefeller Medical Monopoly. Time and time again throughout history these "vaccines" are spiked with all sorts of carcinogens and toxic chemicals, so I wouldn't consider that a victory for Somalia if that's the case.
the tribe will not bother investigating deep into the case but will discipline the suspect automatically but outcasting him the third timeand they will still pay everything he did. they will not be responsible of what he does so it will be upto the victim.no one will go to trial this time so its either his own family who will pay or he will pay it with his life.
how the xeer somali used to work and i can say that might make a government unnecessary. i will only take one example.somalis used to live in tribes.infact there was no written law. one thief will steal a camel and the victim will go directly to the elders of the suspect's tribe.the elders will investigate not to prove the suspect guilty nor innocent but in the future discipline.the tribe will pay what the suspect was allegedly did the first time.the second time the man does the same thing.....
the precolonial times Somalia had laws but no government. I will come back to that but i will touch one thing you said in there whether it was from another source since you took it as a fact and make it everyone believe it. Somali was no aid depending state at the time when Siad Barre was ruling, in fact it was the second strongest country in Africa after Egypt between 1974-86.in 1977 the worst drought in the history of somalia had killed around one million and Siad Barre turned down aids.
I'm not an expert of our history but the little i know about our xeer somali(a very old tradition of the somali people) can help you stefbot. to me you are a misinformed and attention seeking loser. I'm not trying to call you names that you don't deserve but honestly you are how I'm defining you.the entire 26 mins and 48 secs proves one thing and that is you are lier. you are so irritating and offending but if i were a mindless i would have called you worser names.
'social prgress' according to some socialist kool aid drinker here: secret police kidnappings, torture, rape by authority, mass killings, extreme and murderous censorship, death sentence for speaking against president, many refugees leaving...
The shilling is actually the only currency to transcend the fiat/commodity dichotomy. It is a fiat currency in that it is paper and printed. It is commodity in that it is worth the cost of distribution, paper, and ink and is printed until people dont want to buy them anymore using the old printers. also, you might've mentioned that Somalia is the fastest-growing sub-Saharan African country.
Why is it annoying when we say that the Soviet Union isn't communist? It wasn't. Communism requires common ownership of wealth, elimination of class, and elimination of the state. None of those things happened in the USSR. Why are we annoying when we point that out?
Death rate is better? Because it's higher? Birthrate is also better when it's higher? WtF? Sure people in Somalia prefer their traditional statelessness to internationally imposed statism. But they really prefer small, locally controlled states like Puntland and Somaliland, which is where the improvements this guy talks about are taking place, not in the anarchist area around Mogadishu, the former Italian Somaliland.
"controlled demolition" who would do the controlling ?? and what would make them stop controlling when we have reached balance of reasonable people to not fight with the unreasonable people that want to kill them??
Also, from what I understand it isn't even stateless there.
Somalia has several different governments all claiming to be the legimate rulers of the country (e.g. warlords/militias or something like that) trying to collect taxes and claiming to be legit.
Granted, I'm optimistic about this.
For Somalia does help prove to some extent that even people trying to take over in a collapsed state still wouldn't be as bad.
One thing I would like to add since you mentioned Somalia's neighbor Djibouti. Prior to adopting a freedom focused philosophy I traveled to this country in 2002 with the U.S. military which was performing secret operations into Yemen from Djibouti. What I think is imporant to note is that Djibouti's government only exists because the U.S. props it up. Indeed when I was there the U.S. military was the countries single greatest monetary contributor. I don't mean in aide but rather jobs.
I think it's pretty rational to say that if the U.S. military pulled out of this country all semblance of government would quickly deteriorate which I think would be a good thing.
Wait a minute you mention Hargesa in the study? WTF? Your whole study falls flat on its face. Somalia is a big country. For example Somaliland which Hargesa is part of has a government. It has laws it isn't lawless. So how can you put somalia under one curtain? It isn't. The whole of Somalia isn't lawless. You need to gain more knowledge in the structure of the country before you start educating peeps on your little theory,
14:51, the narrator at True News occasionally miss-speaks. He said: Of the 18 development indicators, 4 show unambiguous improvement under anarchy. But the correct version is 14 show unambiguous improvement. He also said: Access to TVs, radios and telephones has jumped between 3 and 25 percent. But the correct version is between 3 and 25 TIMES. For the multiplication-challenged, heres the difference: 3 times = 300 percent, and 25 times = 2500 percent.
@SEFARAD2K4 if by best, you mean 'falling by the wayside' and 'having a chainballed economy where no one could innovate', then yes, Somalia was better off ;p
@nurbSoldier actually no, it was developing socially, technologically, and it's infrastructure was being built up. But yeah, the Amerikkkans bombing it to the stone age and arming various groups to create instability is a lot better for them.
@SEFARAD2K4 besides, during communism until 1991, Somalia had only one airport. a few years later, more airports, also more doctors, more nurses, more hospitals, more universities....
so your argument does not even hold water on the infrastructure level
@SEFARAD2K4 interesting how there was little to no improvement of conditions or technology in Somalia before 1991 (in some cases, worsening stats), as well as numerous murders and genocides by government, but giant amounts of improvements afterwards
one example among 8,000 - there was only 1 airline in somalia prior to 1991, afterwards, just a few years later there were 4 or 5
You just have to face the facts that socialism made things stagnant, killed people and drove businesses away
@nurbSoldier take your bs to someone who doesn't know anything about somalia and will fall for it. somalians were better off under a stable system. if you think what happened after was better you're a f*cking idiot.
@SEFARAD2K4 better off? So having fewer doctors, only one airport instead of 5, fewer universities, more deaths from malaria, more deaths from measles, more deaths from AIDs, fewer people with TV sets, radios, no one with internet access instead of many, like today, few to no cell phones and people being killed on a continuous basis by the government is better?
Either you are from planet Bizarro or you did not bother to look up the facts
@SEFARAD2K4 so, conversely, today, having more doctors now, many more people with tvs, radios, telephones, cell phones, schools, universities, hospitals, doctors, airplanes, airlines, less disease, less deaths from disease, more freedom of speech, no people getting murdered by a government, better infrastructure, less poverty is worse off?
@nurbSoldier What planet are you living on? Somalia is one of the poorest, least developed, nations because the US and its brokered war destroyed Somali infrastructure and civil society. It's essentially a state of caos and day to day survival, wars between warlords, and the looming threat of yet another Ethiopian invasion...
@SEFARAD2K4 i am from the planet where the UN, World Bank, UNICEF, the CIA, INTERPOL, various professors from universities and others have presented clear evidence and assloads of statistics demonstrating the many ways in which Somalia is better off.
@nurbSoldier dumbass, the country is in a state of chaos, civil war, and is overrun with warlords and foreign armies. Back then it was peaceful and developing.
@SEFARAD2K4 statistics say otherwise. back then people left in droves in to refugee camps. the government then executed people for gossip. they executed them for saying anything about the government. the government back then spent the vast majority of its money on military. it killed people en masse
today, there is no government there that does that. there are only smaller local governments. the civil wars today are relatively mild compared to back then
@SEFARAD2K4 you are wrong about developing. statistics show that from the 1970s until 1991, business actually declined, there was only one airport, people died more and more from illness and malnutrition, public services for average people declined, on and on...
I love the state that I live thats why I made a decision to live here, but you hate your president and complaint about too much state, so if you like to enjoy a place where there is no government well go to Somalia
The same answer is applicable for communists, if they love communism well go to North Korea, and if they love a place with no state, well Somalia is the no state nirvana
@AmaruRuna that has to be the most retarded response to someone. "If you don't like everything that goes on here, move". Would you say to an apartment tenet "you shouldn't complain about your broken shower or heater, you should just move"?
By the way, only certain parts of Somalia are stateless - get your facts right. Also, no one picks where they have to live because it is perfect. They pick a place to live because it is more convenient than other places.
So the migrants and the refugees who came to your country, why they come?
Simple, they are not happy with the way that their country is being run, either politically or economically, myself being included
But you? well you are the libertarian or a cafe or internet, but in actions NOTHING !!! The reason is because you are happy yuppy living in your country , but you have no balls to prove your beliefs
So if you hate the state, stop complaining and MOVE, go to those parts of Somalia
@AmaruRuna I am considering going to New Zealand, actually. Your analogy still fails. Suppose I said that venetian blinds were the greatest blinds any apartment could possibly have. Suppose my apartment instead had pull down roller drapes. Assume I hate them. But suppose I also felt that my apartment, overall, had better features than the nearest apartments which happen to had venetian blinds.
I don't think anyone would have a problem with me still saying that venetian blinds were better.
If my analogy is wrong then, they are wrong millions of Mexicans who risk themselves to cross the borders or to thousands of Americans and Westerners who desperate came here to Japan or even to my country to find a GF since they can't get her in their own country due to their failure to impress in a highly individualistic society. Both Mexico and Japan are democracies but less "free" than US
By the way, NZ is less "free" than the US, Australia is even worst.
So if you think that some areas of Somalia are a nirvana freedom, why don't go there and experience by yourself? You don't need to live there forever, so why don't go and just "they told me". Go and experience for a couple of months with an NGO!! The rest is BS !
I stayed in the US for almost 6 months, and I don't like to live there, their selfishness sicked me; I prefer Japan
You had no migrant experience so U have no moral right to lecture me about living in other countries
The fallacy of the venetian blinds can be exactly be used to justify a communist refusal to go to live to North Korea or Cuba to experience the communist nirvana, and rather live in their comfort of their own place and whinge about the system. No different with the libertarian point of view, just change "communism" for "libertarianism" and "North Korea" for "Somalia"
I have made the same point to a commie and it replies in the same fashion; hahaha
@AmaruRuna but you see, we are the opposites of communists in not only the amount of government we want but in the sense we are not believers in Utopia. We do not assume silly things like everything will magically be better than every other nation in every possible way overnight because of a government suddenly collapsing. Strong market systems take decades or even centuries to develop, depending on how you look at it. Somalia does not even meet the criteria for the most part.
Yes you are the opossite sides of the SAME COIN. Well you assume that everything will be solved by the market, and also I learn from you guys the so call Market Infallibility, so that is with NO government and no law, the markets regulates itself magically; well I would like to go to a soccer game with no rules or have a traffic with no rules to see if the traffic regulates itself (in fact it will be more efficient)
@AmaruRuna Somalia, as I had explained before has much of its land already incorporated into smaller regional governments. There are some small areas here and there which have very little to no government. But you also have to factor in the civil within those past 20 years, instigated and amplified by the United States and the United Nations. Many western efforts were to the effect of swatting a hornets nest with a baseball bat.
@AmaruRuna Despite all these problems I had just mentioned, Somalia is better now than it was 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. The proof of something causing improvements is the improvements. One does not need to show that the something has made everything perfect.
I don't CARE if Somalia is hell or the free market paradise, I said to you to go and live there and then you can write a blog with photos and PROOF that the system is excellent. That will be a moral and honest way to defend, live and experience in flesh and bones what you advocate; or is because you are a coward and not taking the risk?
@AmaruRuna Your'e not the boss of me. I don't take orders from you. The reason I do not move there is because while Somalia which now mostly has regional governments (which makes them NOT anarchistic) with a few unincorporated areas is that while it has improved after going from a big communist government, it is also better in many ways than surrounding african countries, it has not improved to the point where it is better than western, industrialized nations. Was that simple enough for you?
NO, because is full of BS !!, the reason why you don't move there is because as mummy's boy you are SCARE to move your fat arse, you could show the example to at least go a tour there with NGO, take pictures, and SUPPORT Somalis achieving their freedom, the rest is BS !
That reminds me those idiots who firmly supported US war in Irak but they look for any excuses for not sign in and help their fellow countrymen in combat, excuses to justify they cowardly. and opportunistic point
@AmaruRuna I'm sorry, what does "because is full of BS" mean? WHAT is full of BS? Me? You? Something else? It is helpful to use proper grammar when debating. People then know what you are talking about.
I don't have to move there to prove that Somalia is better off now with various provincial governments and some unincorporated areas. Many official sources, such as the CIA, the World Bank, the United Nations, various trade organizations, the WTO, UNICEF, wikipedia all say the same thing.
Well REASON tells you that to prove something,it must TEST it; Wikipedia is not a reliable source; and what I told you was a moral thing, to prove and defend what YOU BELIEVE, and not in "they told me that.." So why don't assist any NGO in Somalia, or set up a business there? that is not moving but rather assisting.
The bottom line is that you are AFRAID to make the first move, you can't stand for what is your believes, or YOU ARE A COWARD .
@AmaruRuna the only bullshitter here is you. I have all the facts on my side. I have all the experts who have studied the nation on my side. I have diverse sources on my side, some of whom are quite opposed to the other ones. Wikipedia is said to be as reliable as the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
I don't have to move somewhere to prove that they doing one thing makes them better off. Just like I don't have to date some 60 year old hag to prove that she doing situps makes her look better.
OK, where are YOUR EXPERT, give me names, because I can check it and go to Google scholar or the journal database of my university to see if those were peer reviewed and had academic standards. So if you have them, SHOWED, don't just say "i have the sources, ."
It seems that you NEVER went to Uni, Wikipedia is not reliable source, because it can be edited by anyone, and not subject to academic peer review; so if you quote in your assignment Wikipedia, you'll get a big F IMMEDIATELY
Again you showed very clearly your ignorance and no wonder how you can get deceived with propaganda
Encyclopedia Britanica is peer reviewed by a team of academics in all the areas BEFORE it gets published, Wikipedia doesn't. Wikipedia is good for a generic knowledge but not for academic work due to bias.
You don't have to move or see to claim that a place is better, but it strengths your case. Your arguments are exactly the same as a commie loves who hates to live in North Korea
Experience and risks and not books are the teacher of life, so if somebody came from Somalia showed me photos and went into a venture there and was successful; I can believe him more, than someone tell me that the WTO, or UNICEF said so. To me that guy is as similar as a fat man being my fitness trainer.
By the way, where can I find your sources about Somalia, are they peer reviewed? Because if not, it makes no difference comparing with UNICEF reports about Cuban
@AmaruRuna They are not the fat men, they are the men with microscopic waists, gigantic biceps and can run a mile in 4 minutes. Do you even know what these organizations are?
If you want to live on a university campus, be there. You have no basis to demand that others distrust the rest of the real world. As if peer reviewed actually has any credibility anymore outside university campus...lmao!
Hahaha, so every technical and scientific reseearch had no credibibility, it shows that you have NO ACADEMIC education
I see why you have Creationism Science, and where common sense and pragmatism was hickjacked by ideological dogmatism; and no wonder also WHY academics, independent researchers, and historians tend to be more LIBERAL, because they QUESTION many assumptions
Typical HYPOCRISY, compared Katrina New Orleands with here SENDAI, it shows how individualism is CRAP
hmm.. when was the last time you went thru a "peer reviewed" paper?..lol. I recommend you try papers about sociology. If anything these can only be honored as worthy of the paper they are written on, by appeal to authority. As pedestrian moron who has not dealt with this stuff you may have any respect for these things. I deal with them everyday - and they are crap. That is all they are.
So what papers are more authoritive, this crap? Please Also, this video tries forcibly to compare WESTERN systems to a country that is not western by itself Somalia is a tribal society and its impossible to impose Western style capitalism, in a society that have been tribal for thousands of years and condemn charging banking interests.
Another think, I have meet and now live in a non-western country and I can understand why libertarianism is CRAP.
I speak Spanish because I am from South America, I speak English because I was Australia, I learn Portuguese because I was in Brasil
I said JAPANESE, o is Japanese European?The one lying is YOU !!!
Libertarians are the moral scum of earth, selfish and egocentric trash, I said look New Orleans 2005 and now Sendai 2011, SO DIFFERENT, you can see the power of communitarianism at work compared with GARBAGE individualism (no wonder why you guys have no friends and)
@AmaruRuna You are a fucking moron. New Orleans 2005 had NOTHING to do with individualism. In Sendai 2011, the Japanese did not steal from others because they respected individual property, something you communitarianists do not understand.
Not your IMBECIL, you DON'T LIVE IN JAPAN, I LIVE HERE, the reason why they finished quickly is that the government and the people themselves had donated FREE of their time to rebult their areas, JAPANESE PEOPLE DON'T THINK AS INDIVIDUALS, YOU IMBECIL, is even in their own language their collectivistic mentality, AS USUAL YOU AMERICAN IDIOT trying to teach others how to live in the world from the confort of your PC. FIX FIRST YOUR COUNTRY THAT WILL GO SOON TO DEFAULT HAHAHA
Somalia is a FAILED STATE, set your fact RIGHT, how can then a failed state will be an example of your libertarian ideas? That sheer stupidy. There is NO GOVERNMENT in Somalia and the country itself is already divided into two states one of them NOT RECOGNIZED, Somaliland and Puntland
ABSURD? can you prove me with REASON and ACADEMIC SOURCES, that I am wrong?
How can your mates claimed that the country is better than 10 or 20 years ago if such country is divided into three areas and two of them are not recognised states, those names make you sound familiar? SOMALILAND and PUNTLAND? Is that Civil War a good standard of living ?
I was telling that if he really believed in his cause, he SHOULD STAND AND HELP, its a moral and honorable thing. But if in his dictionary the word HONOR and MORALITY does not exist, to me, IT does not deserve my respect
I have travelled across the world, knew many people and I speak two asian languages, and even now, I live in Sendai, and nobody should ever set foot here, to tell me how life here is NOW. That is what that idiot is doing, claiming that live experience counts shit
Stef, I think it would be a great idea if you put some of your source links in the YouTube side box. I think it would help many of the viewers left unconvinced.
The places with the least influence of government would be in the northeast of Somalia, I am particularly thinking of Eyl.
What I was talking about earlier, however, was that cultural oppression might be an issue, so you would need to fit in as well as possible. It just doesn't seem like the most ideal place for an American.
I am impressed by the statistics - not the analysis, as I remain unconvinced that the improvements are attributable to anarchy rather than the removal of an oppressive regime. I hope you see the difference. There is great difference between a traditional tribal system with their established pwer structs, believes and values; and our uprooted, individulalist culture. In somalia, the tribal systems (not anarchy) was revived to replace government. It is simply another type of govt.
The tribal governments (nations) are more effective, in part because they follows strict ethnic and cultural lines. One may argue that Somalia has simply been divided into a set of more uniform states than the state of Somalia dictated by colonial boundaries was.
@67jkey The difference this time betewn the previus govts. and the new ones that took its place is that the came to be in a voluntaritic and natural way and they were not enforce.
The main real difference is that you can choose, at least to some extend, to be part of that govt or not.
Thanks for doing all of this research for us Stef! Now I can go right to most of the source material I need. I get this objection from my friends all the time too. They like the idea of statelessness, but fear practical application of it. Somalia is always the monster under the bed.
one of the only differences is that the American government kills far more citizens in other countries while somalia mainly there own citizens.
and this could be easily attributed to the fact American citizens generate more wealth so to kill them would not be a wise fiscal choice for theie "leaders", while somalians when the government existed created little wealth and were less passive, more prone to revolt, so the government had to "defend" itself form the starving masses with brutality.
This information is of course a bit out of date since the Union of Islamic Courts became a de facto State and later the Ethiopians invaded and set up a puppet government. However it was essentially accurate when originally written. Of course the presence of a "real government" did not reduce violence or help welfare.
stick to talking like in the video "why you shouldnt vote" i felt more connected and more aware..this and few of your other videos just alotta buzz words that brings on the yawns and lose intrest very fast .. i do enjoy your videos though..
One of the bad things that we will see coming up, apart from a war on Iran, is going to be a war on Somalia. Heres General Clark predicting wars in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan and Iran.
watch?v=v0jXFjaBbH0
NicosMind 2 weeks ago
Good, but exceptionally long-winded. May I suggest you consider using a style similar to CPGrey -- another YouTuber who I think excels at explaining things in an easily digestible manner.
miketwo345 1 month ago
Somalia is not anarchist. Its full of brown people. The NGOs that refuse to go into Somalia because it is too dangerous are just.. um... afraid of how great things are going there! Right!
dontwalkdontrun 1 month ago
I like True News so much more than Fake News. Sometimes I'm not sure they're telling me the truth on Fake News, but I know I can trust True News because true is in the title.
PluralOfEverything 5 months ago 4
Another countris with No public education, No Environmental law, No business or commerce regulation, No Labor law, NoGovernment Social security or medicare, No social safety net - Unemployment, welfare, food stamps, medicaid or housing assistance, No auto or highway safety requirements, No government oversight of food, drug, or product safety are also
AFGANISTAN and HAITI!!!
No zoning law or building codes
Little to no public funded infrastructure
No public funded R&D
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
In the World Audit.org audit, The 2009 corruption rankings for 180 democratic countries in the World Democracy Audit listed SOMALIA as one of the most corrupt democratic countries in the world; as it was placed 149th.
America was ranked 17th least corrupt, in the corruption rank.
SO IT IS ALSO A HEAVEN FOR CORRUPTION, OR ACCORDINNG TO LIBERTARIANS, corruption will dissapear in a libertarioan society lol
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
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WelcometotheUnknown 7 months ago
oh, sorry. just noticed this was posted over two years ago. haha. still, it'd be nice to have accessible linkage. ;-D
fecklessman 7 months ago
just a tip: when you cite a source in the video, please add the link in the description. people are more likely to actually check it out when they can click something instead of having to copy a long url by pausing the video and looking at it.
fecklessman 7 months ago 2
Perhaps I'm being an annoying stereotype, but honestly, the Soviet Union certainly wasn't communism.
wassworth 8 months ago
@wassworth Of course it was! The USSR was classic communism. Oh, it didn't fit the Marx fantasy of mindless humanoid ants, all happy with their respective tasks with no ambition or thoughts of their own. But that's because the USSR was made up of humans. Therefore a repressive dictatorship was needed to prevent them from doing things that free people do.
wrjamescom 6 months ago
@wrjamescom
The USSR was not Classical Communism, have you read Das Capital? the USSR was an example of the State Capitalism, not communism, in a real marxist communist society, the goal was to eliminate the state, the opposite achieved at the USSR, that is the reason why such contradiction in marxist theory needed a represive dictatorship to avoid the masses to question, thats why Stalin go rid of the old Bolshevik guard including Trotsky.
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna It WAS classic communism in fact. That was my point. The mythological communist society where people become mindless robotic ants with all the exact same needs and desires in the absence of freedom is a silly fantasy that only people with mental capacities less that three year olds could ever believe in. For any sort of communist system to exist, it requires brutal dictatorship to prevent people from trading. Capitalism is simply what free people do.
wrjamescom 5 months ago
@wrjamescom
Again you failed to understand the definition of "communism" and seeing from your answer shows ignorance of the topic, Marx defines Communism as a STATELESS society, same believe as the teabaggers and the anarchist, so how can a powerful state will be classical comunism?
A system much more similar to Clasical Communism, are the Amish and the Mennonites communities, and the Kibbutz rather than the USSR.
Capitalism NOT= Freedom, ask Latinos during right wing dictatorships
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna You are only exposing your reading comprehension problem as well as illustrating my point. The Amish, etc., cannot exist outside of a country which protects them and their rights. They are under states which provide defense for them. Marx was an idiot who thought like a 2 year old. His fantasy was no more realistic than the Smurfs. Communism, cannot exist without imposition by a brutal dictatorship.
wrjamescom 5 months ago
@wrjamescom
You are teling me that the USSR is Classical Communist and I have give you he definition from Marx himself, not your. You now mention that the Amish live in a country, well well, now you are defending the power of the state; The Smurfs lived outside of a state, that why they could realize their dream, in the case of the USSR it was a very diverse state with different believes and even radical islam, thans to the evil USSR is that Central Asian countries women got their freedom.
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna Are you really this incapable of comprehension?Like I said, Marx's fantasy system was and is utter nonsense. For ANY communist state to exist, it has to be imposed by brutal dictatorship to force people to participate. The only free people who choose to live communally are small groups of like minded people, and those cannot provide any defense of their way of life. Therefore, they can nly practice such a think inside the protection of a free society.
wrjamescom 5 months ago
What I mean is any kind of system if they disagree with the values of most people and does not conform with their culture, it needs to have a dictatorship to be imposed, another though is THE ARAB REVOLTS and the IRANIAN REVOLUTION, the Shah imposed an capitalist dictatorship, destroyed a democratic elected socialist goverment, and guess what they have now a radical islamist group in power.
The Cold War finished 21 years ago and the binary fallacy comunism=evil, capitalism=good has finished
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna Any system which imposes on the rights of people is evil. That, by definition, is evil. Democracy is evil for the same reason. The majority is no better a dictator than a lone thug. Groups do not have rights, individuals have rights. A socialist state is evil whether imposed by a thug or imposed by the majority. Capitalism is simply what free people do. When free, people trade what they have for what they want. Their "needs" are not decided by others.
wrjamescom 5 months ago
@wrjamescom
So Democracy is evil that means you prefer a dictactorship, I see your point
Everyone belongs to a group, there is no such think as PURE INDIVIDUAL, from your birth you belonged to a group called FAMILY and you must comply with their rules worst if your parents are totalitarian beings, at work you must obey your boss tyrany. Capitalism is not freedom either, think about Microsoft, and big corporations, they are WORST like modern feudal lords
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna " think about Microsoft, and big corporations" a business that only has so much power because of state violence. Doesn't microsoft through copy right laws around like a club?
greenghost2008 5 months ago
@greenghost2008
Have you heard about the case "Microsoft vs US"? Thanks to the State we have antitrust laws to ensure competition and limit cartels and oligopolies like Microsoft. The best wish for big business like Microsoft and Monsanto is the disappearance of the State, because they can save millions on bribing politicians creating lobbies and laws that limit their absolute power.
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna Non-liable (execs) corporations only exist because of the state, what the hell are you talking about?
Look at Monsanto, by statute, a gorcery store can't even force Monsanto to label what products their GMO stuff is in. The minster of agriculture (Canada) is a former Monsanto exec
Look at BP Oil, they shit in our oceans constantly, yet we're forced to do business with them because of gov't.
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@AmaruRuna
>Capitalism is not freedom either, think about Microsoft, and big corporations, they are WORST like modern feudal lords
It's fun to pull things straight out of your ass when you're young and call it "forming an opinion".
AdmiralUmptDumpt 5 months ago
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@wrjamescom
"When free, people trade what they have for what they want. Their "needs" are not decided by others". THAT IS BULLSHIT, needs are decided not only by people but also by the circumstances and also the availability of resources, the weather, and the state of the planet itself. That is what in economics are called EXTERNALITIES.
This video talks how good is now Somalia, well if is good why there is hunger now?
Look at now the current world situation, you seem that live in a
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna Libertarian anti-communism is not mere cold war hysteria. Communism is one of the leftist ideologies which propose the abolition of ownership of property. Hardly a liberating idea.
Madfoot713 5 months ago
@Madfoot713
Communism proposed the comunal ownership of property, not the abolition of it. The fact is that communism could work in small communities, not in the whole humanity, in that case freedom is not affected
In fact having a pure anarcho capitalist system will encourage the law of the jungle and in the end only the most powerful will control and as communism, we are slaves of the system, but in a smarter way, by giving you limited choices
Both extremes are evil
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
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@AmaruRuna "Communism proposed the comunal ownership of property, not the abolition of it. The fact is that communism could work in small communities, not in the whole humanity, in that case freedom is not affected"
This goes against the "Communism must be a global effort" I hear from actual marxists.
Madfoot713 5 months ago
@wassworth The USSR was absolutely communist! It just doesn't match the silly childish fantasy of a stateless society where all the mindless ants are happy working for the Borg collective with no individual thoughts, dreams or ambitions. If the dictatorship frees the slaves, then communism ceases to exist as free people trade freely.
wrjamescom 5 months ago
i think people forget that not every country has constitutions and human right ideals. shouldnt real screw with other countries. If the people really couldn't stand it they would or would have revolted. I know it sounds mean but too bad
wowalinbie 9 months ago
With the tribes and warlords mentioned, such as al shabib, is somalia truly stateless? what is the difference?
sstearns34 9 months ago
Some of the data is unsourced, but overall it is a superb presentation, thank you so much; you will probably never fully realize the social benefit you provide but I hope you get enough satisfaction and money to keep doing it anyway!
Burdell22000 9 months ago
Ultra Well done! :D
Problembeing 10 months ago
Failed pirates, stay pirates, successful pirates become software entrepreneurs
libertreeful 10 months ago
I wonder who is creating and administering these vaccines in Somalia? Hopefully not the UN W.H.O. henchmen of the Rockefeller Medical Monopoly. Time and time again throughout history these "vaccines" are spiked with all sorts of carcinogens and toxic chemicals, so I wouldn't consider that a victory for Somalia if that's the case.
TSMPimpDaddyPain 11 months ago
the tribe will not bother investigating deep into the case but will discipline the suspect automatically but outcasting him the third timeand they will still pay everything he did. they will not be responsible of what he does so it will be upto the victim.no one will go to trial this time so its either his own family who will pay or he will pay it with his life.
geletoz 1 year ago
how the xeer somali used to work and i can say that might make a government unnecessary. i will only take one example.somalis used to live in tribes.infact there was no written law. one thief will steal a camel and the victim will go directly to the elders of the suspect's tribe.the elders will investigate not to prove the suspect guilty nor innocent but in the future discipline.the tribe will pay what the suspect was allegedly did the first time.the second time the man does the same thing.....
geletoz 1 year ago
the precolonial times Somalia had laws but no government. I will come back to that but i will touch one thing you said in there whether it was from another source since you took it as a fact and make it everyone believe it. Somali was no aid depending state at the time when Siad Barre was ruling, in fact it was the second strongest country in Africa after Egypt between 1974-86.in 1977 the worst drought in the history of somalia had killed around one million and Siad Barre turned down aids.
geletoz 1 year ago
I'm not an expert of our history but the little i know about our xeer somali(a very old tradition of the somali people) can help you stefbot. to me you are a misinformed and attention seeking loser. I'm not trying to call you names that you don't deserve but honestly you are how I'm defining you.the entire 26 mins and 48 secs proves one thing and that is you are lier. you are so irritating and offending but if i were a mindless i would have called you worser names.
geletoz 1 year ago
too many analogies, this is not news
BluJean6692 1 year ago
'social prgress' according to some socialist kool aid drinker here: secret police kidnappings, torture, rape by authority, mass killings, extreme and murderous censorship, death sentence for speaking against president, many refugees leaving...
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
There is one thing I'm confused about.
If I'm rational and my secularism is well grounded philosophically can I continue strangling priests?
Apashiol 1 year ago
The shilling is actually the only currency to transcend the fiat/commodity dichotomy. It is a fiat currency in that it is paper and printed. It is commodity in that it is worth the cost of distribution, paper, and ink and is printed until people dont want to buy them anymore using the old printers. also, you might've mentioned that Somalia is the fastest-growing sub-Saharan African country.
LordAgonis 1 year ago
Why is it annoying when we say that the Soviet Union isn't communist? It wasn't. Communism requires common ownership of wealth, elimination of class, and elimination of the state. None of those things happened in the USSR. Why are we annoying when we point that out?
QuatFax 1 year ago
Death rate is better? Because it's higher? Birthrate is also better when it's higher? WtF? Sure people in Somalia prefer their traditional statelessness to internationally imposed statism. But they really prefer small, locally controlled states like Puntland and Somaliland, which is where the improvements this guy talks about are taking place, not in the anarchist area around Mogadishu, the former Italian Somaliland.
Danjuma13 1 year ago
"controlled demolition" who would do the controlling ?? and what would make them stop controlling when we have reached balance of reasonable people to not fight with the unreasonable people that want to kill them??
carveawoodeneye 1 year ago
I will definitely subscribe and visit website. You are a very informative voice of reason.
leavesofliberty 1 year ago
Since, as a friend of mine as put it:
"Try putting up a land line up in Somalia and see how quickly their government reacts."
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
Re: Per Capita GDP - Is problematical at best.
Also, from what I understand it isn't even stateless there.
Somalia has several different governments all claiming to be the legimate rulers of the country (e.g. warlords/militias or something like that) trying to collect taxes and claiming to be legit.
Granted, I'm optimistic about this.
For Somalia does help prove to some extent that even people trying to take over in a collapsed state still wouldn't be as bad.
But that's just my take on it.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
I like that explanation of foreign aid, "taking the money from poor people in rich nations and handing it over to the rich people in poor nations."
reapfreak 1 year ago
great vid.
stealthswimmer 1 year ago
Gee whiz, is there anything that Privatization Jesus can't magically fix?
Eldeecue 1 year ago
I love your metaphors. :)
deadman12078 1 year ago
Long live Free Somalia!
Shukria123 2 years ago
One thing I would like to add since you mentioned Somalia's neighbor Djibouti. Prior to adopting a freedom focused philosophy I traveled to this country in 2002 with the U.S. military which was performing secret operations into Yemen from Djibouti. What I think is imporant to note is that Djibouti's government only exists because the U.S. props it up. Indeed when I was there the U.S. military was the countries single greatest monetary contributor. I don't mean in aide but rather jobs.
ThePsychoticnut 2 years ago
I think it's pretty rational to say that if the U.S. military pulled out of this country all semblance of government would quickly deteriorate which I think would be a good thing.
ThePsychoticnut 2 years ago
Is this guy speaking at C-Span?
Gutsyndicate 2 years ago
Great video ... my only objection is "yeah but" and reason defeats it! :)
shepardh1 2 years ago
Why is "tax" in quotation marks at 21:18? It's in its substance the same as when the government taxes us.
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
I just rewatched this. I would contribute donate more, but my allowance isn't that much and I am not getting hired.
Keep up the [insert the greatest possible adjective here] work! :D
Rokasomee 2 years ago 6
Thank you so much!
stefbot 2 years ago
Wait a minute you mention Hargesa in the study? WTF? Your whole study falls flat on its face. Somalia is a big country. For example Somaliland which Hargesa is part of has a government. It has laws it isn't lawless. So how can you put somalia under one curtain? It isn't. The whole of Somalia isn't lawless. You need to gain more knowledge in the structure of the country before you start educating peeps on your little theory,
josevanreyes 2 years ago
"failed pirates remain pirates but successful pirates become navies"
HAHAHAHA! EPIC WIN!
migkillertwo 2 years ago 18
14:51, the narrator at True News occasionally miss-speaks. He said: Of the 18 development indicators, 4 show unambiguous improvement under anarchy. But the correct version is 14 show unambiguous improvement. He also said: Access to TVs, radios and telephones has jumped between 3 and 25 percent. But the correct version is between 3 and 25 TIMES. For the multiplication-challenged, heres the difference: 3 times = 300 percent, and 25 times = 2500 percent.
Conza88 2 years ago
Thank you so much for the corrections!
stefbot 2 years ago
awesome! kudos!
InBonobo 2 years ago
The U.S. had them too.
THAWK3 2 years ago
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Somalia was best off during socialism.
SEFARAD2K4 2 years ago
You might want to watch the next video in the series... :)
stefbot 2 years ago
@stefbot actually, he could start off by watching this video on this page
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 if by best, you mean 'falling by the wayside' and 'having a chainballed economy where no one could innovate', then yes, Somalia was better off ;p
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier actually no, it was developing socially, technologically, and it's infrastructure was being built up. But yeah, the Amerikkkans bombing it to the stone age and arming various groups to create instability is a lot better for them.
SEFARAD2K4 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 not according to the statistics . . .
Somalia until 1991 was either declining or Stagnant, increasing in poverty
but you are right about America bombing Somalia to the stone age being detrimental
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 besides, during communism until 1991, Somalia had only one airport. a few years later, more airports, also more doctors, more nurses, more hospitals, more universities....
so your argument does not even hold water on the infrastructure level
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier wrong, socialism laid the foundations down and there was a socialist system until the US intervened.... not until 1991
SEFARAD2K4 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 interesting how there was little to no improvement of conditions or technology in Somalia before 1991 (in some cases, worsening stats), as well as numerous murders and genocides by government, but giant amounts of improvements afterwards
one example among 8,000 - there was only 1 airline in somalia prior to 1991, afterwards, just a few years later there were 4 or 5
You just have to face the facts that socialism made things stagnant, killed people and drove businesses away
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier take your bs to someone who doesn't know anything about somalia and will fall for it. somalians were better off under a stable system. if you think what happened after was better you're a f*cking idiot.
SEFARAD2K4 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 better off? So having fewer doctors, only one airport instead of 5, fewer universities, more deaths from malaria, more deaths from measles, more deaths from AIDs, fewer people with TV sets, radios, no one with internet access instead of many, like today, few to no cell phones and people being killed on a continuous basis by the government is better?
Either you are from planet Bizarro or you did not bother to look up the facts
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier Yes, better off. If you think Somalia is better off now you're the one on Bizarro.
SEFARAD2K4 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 so, conversely, today, having more doctors now, many more people with tvs, radios, telephones, cell phones, schools, universities, hospitals, doctors, airplanes, airlines, less disease, less deaths from disease, more freedom of speech, no people getting murdered by a government, better infrastructure, less poverty is worse off?
Wow.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier What planet are you living on? Somalia is one of the poorest, least developed, nations because the US and its brokered war destroyed Somali infrastructure and civil society. It's essentially a state of caos and day to day survival, wars between warlords, and the looming threat of yet another Ethiopian invasion...
SEFARAD2K4 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 once again "compared to what?"
Somalia is more peaceful and prosperous without its central government. Period.
I am not going to dispute the negative effects the US government has had on Somalia, as that is a usual trend with the US government.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 i am from the planet where the UN, World Bank, UNICEF, the CIA, INTERPOL, various professors from universities and others have presented clear evidence and assloads of statistics demonstrating the many ways in which Somalia is better off.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier dumbass, the country is in a state of chaos, civil war, and is overrun with warlords and foreign armies. Back then it was peaceful and developing.
SEFARAD2K4 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 statistics say otherwise. back then people left in droves in to refugee camps. the government then executed people for gossip. they executed them for saying anything about the government. the government back then spent the vast majority of its money on military. it killed people en masse
today, there is no government there that does that. there are only smaller local governments. the civil wars today are relatively mild compared to back then
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 you are wrong about developing. statistics show that from the 1970s until 1991, business actually declined, there was only one airport, people died more and more from illness and malnutrition, public services for average people declined, on and on...
your trolling is getting tiresome
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
Well if you hate your state, why you don't go and live there ?
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna you just answered your own question
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
I love the state that I live thats why I made a decision to live here, but you hate your president and complaint about too much state, so if you like to enjoy a place where there is no government well go to Somalia
The same answer is applicable for communists, if they love communism well go to North Korea, and if they love a place with no state, well Somalia is the no state nirvana
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna that has to be the most retarded response to someone. "If you don't like everything that goes on here, move". Would you say to an apartment tenet "you shouldn't complain about your broken shower or heater, you should just move"?
By the way, only certain parts of Somalia are stateless - get your facts right. Also, no one picks where they have to live because it is perfect. They pick a place to live because it is more convenient than other places.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
So the migrants and the refugees who came to your country, why they come?
Simple, they are not happy with the way that their country is being run, either politically or economically, myself being included
But you? well you are the libertarian or a cafe or internet, but in actions NOTHING !!! The reason is because you are happy yuppy living in your country , but you have no balls to prove your beliefs
So if you hate the state, stop complaining and MOVE, go to those parts of Somalia
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna I am considering going to New Zealand, actually. Your analogy still fails. Suppose I said that venetian blinds were the greatest blinds any apartment could possibly have. Suppose my apartment instead had pull down roller drapes. Assume I hate them. But suppose I also felt that my apartment, overall, had better features than the nearest apartments which happen to had venetian blinds.
I don't think anyone would have a problem with me still saying that venetian blinds were better.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
If my analogy is wrong then, they are wrong millions of Mexicans who risk themselves to cross the borders or to thousands of Americans and Westerners who desperate came here to Japan or even to my country to find a GF since they can't get her in their own country due to their failure to impress in a highly individualistic society. Both Mexico and Japan are democracies but less "free" than US
By the way, NZ is less "free" than the US, Australia is even worst.
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
So if you think that some areas of Somalia are a nirvana freedom, why don't go there and experience by yourself? You don't need to live there forever, so why don't go and just "they told me". Go and experience for a couple of months with an NGO!! The rest is BS !
I stayed in the US for almost 6 months, and I don't like to live there, their selfishness sicked me; I prefer Japan
You had no migrant experience so U have no moral right to lecture me about living in other countries
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
The fallacy of the venetian blinds can be exactly be used to justify a communist refusal to go to live to North Korea or Cuba to experience the communist nirvana, and rather live in their comfort of their own place and whinge about the system. No different with the libertarian point of view, just change "communism" for "libertarianism" and "North Korea" for "Somalia"
I have made the same point to a commie and it replies in the same fashion; hahaha
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna but you see, we are the opposites of communists in not only the amount of government we want but in the sense we are not believers in Utopia. We do not assume silly things like everything will magically be better than every other nation in every possible way overnight because of a government suddenly collapsing. Strong market systems take decades or even centuries to develop, depending on how you look at it. Somalia does not even meet the criteria for the most part.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
Yes you are the opossite sides of the SAME COIN. Well you assume that everything will be solved by the market, and also I learn from you guys the so call Market Infallibility, so that is with NO government and no law, the markets regulates itself magically; well I would like to go to a soccer game with no rules or have a traffic with no rules to see if the traffic regulates itself (in fact it will be more efficient)
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna Somalia, as I had explained before has much of its land already incorporated into smaller regional governments. There are some small areas here and there which have very little to no government. But you also have to factor in the civil within those past 20 years, instigated and amplified by the United States and the United Nations. Many western efforts were to the effect of swatting a hornets nest with a baseball bat.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna Despite all these problems I had just mentioned, Somalia is better now than it was 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. The proof of something causing improvements is the improvements. One does not need to show that the something has made everything perfect.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
I don't CARE if Somalia is hell or the free market paradise, I said to you to go and live there and then you can write a blog with photos and PROOF that the system is excellent. That will be a moral and honest way to defend, live and experience in flesh and bones what you advocate; or is because you are a coward and not taking the risk?
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna Your'e not the boss of me. I don't take orders from you. The reason I do not move there is because while Somalia which now mostly has regional governments (which makes them NOT anarchistic) with a few unincorporated areas is that while it has improved after going from a big communist government, it is also better in many ways than surrounding african countries, it has not improved to the point where it is better than western, industrialized nations. Was that simple enough for you?
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
NO, because is full of BS !!, the reason why you don't move there is because as mummy's boy you are SCARE to move your fat arse, you could show the example to at least go a tour there with NGO, take pictures, and SUPPORT Somalis achieving their freedom, the rest is BS !
That reminds me those idiots who firmly supported US war in Irak but they look for any excuses for not sign in and help their fellow countrymen in combat, excuses to justify they cowardly. and opportunistic point
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna I'm sorry, what does "because is full of BS" mean? WHAT is full of BS? Me? You? Something else? It is helpful to use proper grammar when debating. People then know what you are talking about.
I don't have to move there to prove that Somalia is better off now with various provincial governments and some unincorporated areas. Many official sources, such as the CIA, the World Bank, the United Nations, various trade organizations, the WTO, UNICEF, wikipedia all say the same thing.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
I meant bullshit or nonsense.
Well REASON tells you that to prove something,it must TEST it; Wikipedia is not a reliable source; and what I told you was a moral thing, to prove and defend what YOU BELIEVE, and not in "they told me that.." So why don't assist any NGO in Somalia, or set up a business there? that is not moving but rather assisting.
The bottom line is that you are AFRAID to make the first move, you can't stand for what is your believes, or YOU ARE A COWARD .
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna the only bullshitter here is you. I have all the facts on my side. I have all the experts who have studied the nation on my side. I have diverse sources on my side, some of whom are quite opposed to the other ones. Wikipedia is said to be as reliable as the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
I don't have to move somewhere to prove that they doing one thing makes them better off. Just like I don't have to date some 60 year old hag to prove that she doing situps makes her look better.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
OK, where are YOUR EXPERT, give me names, because I can check it and go to Google scholar or the journal database of my university to see if those were peer reviewed and had academic standards. So if you have them, SHOWED, don't just say "i have the sources, ."
It seems that you NEVER went to Uni, Wikipedia is not reliable source, because it can be edited by anyone, and not subject to academic peer review; so if you quote in your assignment Wikipedia, you'll get a big F IMMEDIATELY
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
Again you showed very clearly your ignorance and no wonder how you can get deceived with propaganda
Encyclopedia Britanica is peer reviewed by a team of academics in all the areas BEFORE it gets published, Wikipedia doesn't. Wikipedia is good for a generic knowledge but not for academic work due to bias.
You don't have to move or see to claim that a place is better, but it strengths your case. Your arguments are exactly the same as a commie loves who hates to live in North Korea
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@nurbSoldier
Experience and risks and not books are the teacher of life, so if somebody came from Somalia showed me photos and went into a venture there and was successful; I can believe him more, than someone tell me that the WTO, or UNICEF said so. To me that guy is as similar as a fat man being my fitness trainer.
By the way, where can I find your sources about Somalia, are they peer reviewed? Because if not, it makes no difference comparing with UNICEF reports about Cuban
AmaruRuna 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna They are not the fat men, they are the men with microscopic waists, gigantic biceps and can run a mile in 4 minutes. Do you even know what these organizations are?
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
@AmaruRuna
Peer reviewed? LOL!
If you want to live on a university campus, be there. You have no basis to demand that others distrust the rest of the real world. As if peer reviewed actually has any credibility anymore outside university campus...lmao!
utubehayter 10 months ago
@utubehayter
Hahaha, so every technical and scientific reseearch had no credibibility, it shows that you have NO ACADEMIC education
I see why you have Creationism Science, and where common sense and pragmatism was hickjacked by ideological dogmatism; and no wonder also WHY academics, independent researchers, and historians tend to be more LIBERAL, because they QUESTION many assumptions
Typical HYPOCRISY, compared Katrina New Orleands with here SENDAI, it shows how individualism is CRAP
AmaruRuna 10 months ago
@AmaruRuna
hmm.. when was the last time you went thru a "peer reviewed" paper?..lol. I recommend you try papers about sociology. If anything these can only be honored as worthy of the paper they are written on, by appeal to authority. As pedestrian moron who has not dealt with this stuff you may have any respect for these things. I deal with them everyday - and they are crap. That is all they are.
utubehayter 10 months ago
@utubehayter
So what papers are more authoritive, this crap? Please Also, this video tries forcibly to compare WESTERN systems to a country that is not western by itself Somalia is a tribal society and its impossible to impose Western style capitalism, in a society that have been tribal for thousands of years and condemn charging banking interests.
Another think, I have meet and now live in a non-western country and I can understand why libertarianism is CRAP.
AmaruRuna 10 months ago
@AmaruRuna
Did you watch the video? Do you understand English?
utubehayter 10 months ago
@utubehayter
Yes and also understand, read and write fluently Spanish, Portuguese and Japanese, how about you, how many languages you can speak and grasp :P
AmaruRuna 10 months ago
@AmaruRuna
So, English, Spanish and Portugese Which among these language is Asian?
See this is why you should not lie to justify your claims.
utubehayter 10 months ago
@utubehayter
I speak Spanish because I am from South America, I speak English because I was Australia, I learn Portuguese because I was in Brasil
I said JAPANESE, o is Japanese European?The one lying is YOU !!!
Libertarians are the moral scum of earth, selfish and egocentric trash, I said look New Orleans 2005 and now Sendai 2011, SO DIFFERENT, you can see the power of communitarianism at work compared with GARBAGE individualism (no wonder why you guys have no friends and)
Bye HYPOCRITS
AmaruRuna 10 months ago
@AmaruRuna You are a fucking moron. New Orleans 2005 had NOTHING to do with individualism. In Sendai 2011, the Japanese did not steal from others because they respected individual property, something you communitarianists do not understand.
itachi705 8 months ago
@itachi705
Not your IMBECIL, you DON'T LIVE IN JAPAN, I LIVE HERE, the reason why they finished quickly is that the government and the people themselves had donated FREE of their time to rebult their areas, JAPANESE PEOPLE DON'T THINK AS INDIVIDUALS, YOU IMBECIL, is even in their own language their collectivistic mentality, AS USUAL YOU AMERICAN IDIOT trying to teach others how to live in the world from the confort of your PC. FIX FIRST YOUR COUNTRY THAT WILL GO SOON TO DEFAULT HAHAHA
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@AmaruRuna You are making such absurd arguments I'm forced to believe you are a troll
masonkiller666 7 months ago
@masonkiller666
Somalia is a FAILED STATE, set your fact RIGHT, how can then a failed state will be an example of your libertarian ideas? That sheer stupidy. There is NO GOVERNMENT in Somalia and the country itself is already divided into two states one of them NOT RECOGNIZED, Somaliland and Puntland
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@masonkiller666
ABSURD? can you prove me with REASON and ACADEMIC SOURCES, that I am wrong?
How can your mates claimed that the country is better than 10 or 20 years ago if such country is divided into three areas and two of them are not recognised states, those names make you sound familiar? SOMALILAND and PUNTLAND? Is that Civil War a good standard of living ?
AmaruRuna 5 months ago
@utubehayter
I was telling that if he really believed in his cause, he SHOULD STAND AND HELP, its a moral and honorable thing. But if in his dictionary the word HONOR and MORALITY does not exist, to me, IT does not deserve my respect
I have travelled across the world, knew many people and I speak two asian languages, and even now, I live in Sendai, and nobody should ever set foot here, to tell me how life here is NOW. That is what that idiot is doing, claiming that live experience counts shit
AmaruRuna 10 months ago
@AmaruRuna
" IT does not deserve my respect"
You really have a high horse don't you? Delusional enough to think that anyone cares about your "respect"? LOL!
utubehayter 10 months ago
@utubehayter
That is called HONOUR you idiot, if you have no HONOUR and no DIGNITY, you are just mud
There is one thing, everyone is caring now about us, more than you :p
AmaruRuna 10 months ago
@AmaruRuna
Hope you find some tall grass.
utubehayter 10 months ago
@nurbSoldier that was not the case during socialism, it was a normal civil, developing society with a future and potential.
SEFARAD2K4 1 year ago
@SEFARAD2K4 you get an 'F' for paying attention in class and an 'A+' in ignoring clearly stated facts.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
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@SEFARAD2K4 "Socialism" and "best" do not belong in the same sentence. EVER.
HeWhoFightsDragons 1 year ago
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saudi arabi and arabland is 100% islam and no aids russie 100% is cristein and 16% aids
nasiibgoobe 2 years ago
I would like to see the y-axis at 24:50 on that chart. I can't see the size of stuff.
superhuegi 2 years ago
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Then move to Somalia with all your little "anarcho" capitalist buddies.
jackriter 2 years ago
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atrickpay11 2 years ago
great video.
a lot of people are wondering if america will survive when the government cannibalizes itself and leaves us all in the dark.
the answer is yes :) embrace anarchism, america! if a bunch of backwards muslims can kick their government to the curb, then we can too.
batwingedloony 2 years ago 2
"Failed pirates stay pirates, while successful pirates become navies"
Wow. That is awesome.
2ndTreatise 2 years ago 27
you never know, they could become a navy. you just need long term demand for the pirates... if u know what i mean!
ahassan5 2 years ago
your argument is weakened by the fact that you didn't stick to the same set of "neighbouring" countries in the comparisons.
kilobark 2 years ago
stefan you are using historical materialism to try and prove the validity of your ...system, now?
gratex 3 years ago
About the AIDS statistic - Could it be so low because of the influence of Islam in the country?
ufee 3 years ago
No.
Shulamashal 3 years ago
"No" isn't an answer at all, so I gathered some data for myself of its neighboring countries.
Dijibouti - 95% Islamic - 3% aids
Ethiopia - 30% Islamic - 5% aids
Kenya - 10% Islamic - 6% aids
No notable correlation.
ufee 3 years ago
Nonsense!
Shulamashal 3 years ago
Your brain - 100% islamic - 100% AIDS
Allah Induced Dependence Syndrome
Hoo-rah!
gratex 3 years ago
Somalia 100% Islamic - 0.5% Aids.
America 0% Islamic - ? Aids.
Correlation.. if you use more variables.
oxyking 2 years ago
THat's dumb. We have Muslims here - they've been here since before we signed the Constitution.
indyattic 2 years ago
While that is true, the muslim population in the United States is EXTREMELY low. I'd doubt even a single percent.
brevinsucks 2 years ago
It's actually around 2%. I don't think religion is their problem.
indyattic 2 years ago
Stef, I think it would be a great idea if you put some of your source links in the YouTube side box. I think it would help many of the viewers left unconvinced.
snipa4lyfe 3 years ago
OK, I've heard enough. If the lack of government can work in a backward, sand filled place like Somalia, it can work anywhere...
I don't like taxes anyway. I like the idea of independence, can a white guy live there?
captaindiesalot 3 years ago
"...can a white guy live there?"
If you're willing to convert to Islam and learn the culture, you could probably survive. But I think you're better of where you are, for now.
ufee 3 years ago
ufee:
I'm searching for a place where government interference is minimized, and if it's "freedom" by holding a gun, then I'm ok with that.
captaindiesalot 3 years ago
The places with the least influence of government would be in the northeast of Somalia, I am particularly thinking of Eyl.
What I was talking about earlier, however, was that cultural oppression might be an issue, so you would need to fit in as well as possible. It just doesn't seem like the most ideal place for an American.
ufee 3 years ago
I am impressed by the statistics - not the analysis, as I remain unconvinced that the improvements are attributable to anarchy rather than the removal of an oppressive regime. I hope you see the difference. There is great difference between a traditional tribal system with their established pwer structs, believes and values; and our uprooted, individulalist culture. In somalia, the tribal systems (not anarchy) was revived to replace government. It is simply another type of govt.
67jkey 3 years ago
The tribal governments (nations) are more effective, in part because they follows strict ethnic and cultural lines. One may argue that Somalia has simply been divided into a set of more uniform states than the state of Somalia dictated by colonial boundaries was.
67jkey 3 years ago
@67jkey The difference this time betewn the previus govts. and the new ones that took its place is that the came to be in a voluntaritic and natural way and they were not enforce.
The main real difference is that you can choose, at least to some extend, to be part of that govt or not.
megatherium100 1 year ago
It's surprisingly easy to read the text in the low quality version of the video. I dunno how you did that, but well done.
Sepero1 3 years ago
I agree... It is very easy to look at in low quality. Whatever you did this time please do it again!
zdorab 3 years ago
i enjoyed your video thank you very much.
wadanaay 3 years ago
Thanks for doing all of this research for us Stef! Now I can go right to most of the source material I need. I get this objection from my friends all the time too. They like the idea of statelessness, but fear practical application of it. Somalia is always the monster under the bed.
sailormnop007 3 years ago
one of the only differences is that the American government kills far more citizens in other countries while somalia mainly there own citizens.
and this could be easily attributed to the fact American citizens generate more wealth so to kill them would not be a wise fiscal choice for theie "leaders", while somalians when the government existed created little wealth and were less passive, more prone to revolt, so the government had to "defend" itself form the starving masses with brutality.
McDicker96 3 years ago
america's citizenry can be summed up completely in two words: human resources.
regresseur 3 years ago
This information is of course a bit out of date since the Union of Islamic Courts became a de facto State and later the Ethiopians invaded and set up a puppet government. However it was essentially accurate when originally written. Of course the presence of a "real government" did not reduce violence or help welfare.
newperve 3 years ago
I think the so called US government was behind that coup if I remember correctly.
overmind25 3 years ago
wrong mister!
soviet union=national socialism, which is not by any means communism.
boysdontcry17 3 years ago
Whether you're right about this or not couldn't concern me less.
Socialism = (initiation of the use of force) = violence = (chaos and destruction) = immoral.
Communism = (initiation of the use of force) = violence = (chaos and destruction) = immoral.
Democracy = (initiation of the use of force) = violence = (chaos and destruction) = immoral.
furyofbongos 3 years ago 3
Stef, are you going to/or have you done videos on examples of anarchic systems in history?
teewillis1981 3 years ago
stick to talking like in the video "why you shouldnt vote" i felt more connected and more aware..this and few of your other videos just alotta buzz words that brings on the yawns and lose intrest very fast .. i do enjoy your videos though..
yourboycal 3 years ago
:) Once again, "brilliant as always"
dheune 3 years ago
the best channel
Am32007 3 years ago
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Anarchism en libertarism are utopias and will both end in tyranny
sym78 3 years ago
I see, and how exactly are they more utopian than believing that giving someone the power of life and death over you will work out well?
newperve 3 years ago