I grew up with Disney. I learned alot from Disney movies and what i learned is that you should never judge people because of how they look, reading is a GOOD thing, marry for love, a woman can do anthing she sets her mind to, I should do my chores or els the house is disgusting, wash my hands, ect. What people should wory about is the t.v. shows like Hannah Montana. Those shows show kids that being rude and makeing someone feel dumb because they didnt get somthing the first time is ok.
You are so Bias...These arent even Disney's ideas, these are traditional stories that disney made movies off of, And you dont even give credit to Mulan who was a proud warrior, The Lion King was based ooff of hamlet so and even in that Nnala always beat Simba in a fight, and the Beast didnt look like that out of male symbolism it was cuz he's a f*cking BEAST, finding nemo...single father, caring for his kid, tarzan was representaition of a time period where females behaved like that..Come on!
i dont get it... what are we complaining about?? Is Disney supposed to portray a "perfect" little society that has nothing to do with the society we live in??? Characters are made according to the ways and behavior of real people. If you have a problem with the way our society is portrayed in EVERY single movie or cartoon then change the world, heroes! tssss
And why is every woman's happy ending always to get married and become a mother? Especially being a mother/homemaker. It's like they're telling us the only way to be happy and fulfilled as a woman is to make babies and become subservient. But I guess it only bothers me because I'm more of a free spirit. Sorry for ranting.
@MsSbolin I find it a little bit ironic that you are speaking out against being Disney forcing the idea that motherhood and subservience is the only way to be happy, and then you apologize for having an opinion. I completely agree with you, i just felt the need to point out the irony. I suppose it's just proof that Disney's brainwashing has had effects :/
Actually, I think there's much more sexism toward women than men in Disney movies. Even as a star or main character, women are always portrayed as being weaker or unable to provide for themselves. Any woman who doesn't have a man in her life is always sad and helpless, waiting for her prince to come save her. And every woman seems to have this perfect barbie doll figure, except for older women who are usually maids or mother figures. And why is every woman's happy ending always to get married a
There already is diversity among the Disney men! These images aren't damaging to boys. This video doesn't comprehend the big picture. The clips used don't explain why or how good these men got their design; only that they are to "masculine" and "stereotypical". Why would anyone make such outlandish accusations? People should not be quick to judge. There is far more to being a man than you'd have mentioned.
The masculine portrayal in those films taught me about honor.
@TWBennett1 These videos, though valid only use characters that support their points, they never seem to use male characters such as Milo who was not muscular, was not violent. But hey ho...your previous comment is also excellent :)
Most Disney (even ones I didn't mention) characters use intelligence over muscle. Also, they are shown to be benevolent and respectful, they develop much internal qualities like: hope, mercy, grace, friendship, and determination.
Beast defended Belle from wolves and chose not to kill Gaston, even when Gaston's goal was to kill him.
3. Strength is important because without it how could defend the people they want to protect. Hercules never used his strength for evil; even when Hades took his powers Hercules defended the people.
Mulan takes place during a war, at camp they are being trained to fight to defeat the enemy. While there, they all became friends and learned to respect one another.
I respect the video's argument but I must intervene with this:
1. If males are described as being "protectors" or "heroes" isn't this a great role model for young boys?
2. As for violence, Simba was upset Scar killed his father just to be King. He didn't want to fight. He even said he would not kill Scar, but Scar attacked him out of bitterness. Simba defended himself and he spared his life.
Tarzan follows the same model, when he had a chance to shoot Clayton he threw his gun away.
I'm a little frustrated with this video--as others have pointed out, what's wrong with wanting to be a wife and mother? Does that make me stupid or abnormal? And also, many of the examples of the Disney characters were taken out of context. There were some good points in the video, though.
the sexuality disney potraying is undenialable no matter what anyone says, stop making excuses and take sociology class you open your mind to what society is teaching our young childern.
I watched this in media studies today AND plus i learned more of the stereotypes in another class. As a woman I am sick and tired of us girls being the damsel in distress and being portrayed as the passive and weak. Its time for a change.
this is such a good video although you could have made the point more clear for those who do not think critically ( u must knw what i mean) but really good video and yes i do agree on the points that you argue.. the socialization that kids are getting from this movies are not the more adequate ones for their development.
First of all, what is wrong with being a mother or wife? How is that weak in any sense? Second of all, a lot of your examples were villains, which did nothing to prove your point. Gaston is dominant, strong, "ideal male"- and the villain. In fact, I think by showing some of these clips, you are countering your own claim. When Jasmine was in the red, being "sexual", she was appealing to the villain, suggesting that this behavior is inappropriate. If you're going to do this, have some good proof.
@iloveyou0713 - there's nothing wrong with being a wife/mother. Disney is just portraying this as the 'ideal' woman. Any deviants to this is abnormal.The same thing is being done with men. Men must be aggressive, strong, concrete in any emotions. Any deviants is abnormal and weak. Since children are the main audience, it's dangerous to set these kind of ideas into their minds without proper guidance to show them that just because Disney sees it as fit, doesn't mean that it is the right way.
It's mainly just Disney who's at fault for this now, the other major cartoon studios such as Dreamworks and Sony are coming along much better in a balanced character development. Movies such as Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs and How to train your Dragon have the male protagonist as a scrawny nerd who overcomes all odds. They make it realistic in the sense that no one has faith in them till they prove results. The female leads are both against the stereo-norm as well.
wtf lol.. Men and women have acted/and been seen in these types of Views WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before Disney was ever created lol ... disney is juss a way of lettin you know what ur in for as u grow up ...
@SpiderWebs29 yep, disney conforms to these images because of the fact that they use old stories (why is not a bad thing). These stories represent men and women according to their society at the time. In fact disney has started to break these stereotypes slowly but surely (like Atlantis breaking the male stereotype).
Looking at disney as a whole gives mixed signals, but studying 2 or 3 films in particular will give a broader image.
Add in the reccent Disney princesses, Tiana and Rapunzel and they break that "weak" standard, btw alot of this is cherry picking things.. I mean really whens the last time you looked up what area these were published in. Disney followed what was popular, ie Snow white, at the time. And I agree, DC is just ick now a days..
Hey 1st off I'm a real liberal open minded person but I'm also a very critical thinker. I say sure: deviate from your gender norm; but don't you think that gender roles actually help relationships to have roles? If you don't like them change them. Society is very screwed up & as much as I'd like 2 blame Disney I do not find this arguent compelling enough. Also it doesn't explain Y men aresuch cowards or why women R more like the evil women in these films, explains why theyre such sluts maybe
you cant blame disney's portrayal of hercules. its based on a greek story and greek epics usually have that stereotypical view of what it is to be a man
There is a lot of good points in the video, but lets be fair
Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Tarzan, Pieter Pan and Aladin are not written by Disney and in the Disney's version, women are much stronger than in the original ones. Also, examples of Mulan don't count since this is the most anti-chauvinistic movie of them all.
Violence is part of the male characters, but they hardly every win with violence, but smarts, sacrifice and courage. Bad guys are deviant
Some of these examples are ridiculous. Hercules?! Of coarse he plays a hero role, he's a fricken greek god, he's supposed to beat up the hydra. I would be concerned if he had to be saved by Meg.
Helen Parr is an unconventional mother figure. She is a superhero forced to go into hiding, although she's not to unhappy about it. When her husband's in trouble, she takes matters into her own hands, because no matter how idiotic and ignorant she can act, she loves him all the same. She's a realistic portrayal of a woman.
I don't think you can really use animals as examples of sexism. I mean, female animals usually take care of their young on their own, thats not sexist, its nature.
Perhaps the time has Disney was still living there were the side there, but now we have a completely different side. Now we have a Rapunzel (2010) who fight and defends herself. Moreover, for example, in Beauty and the Beast, Belle is more clever than Gaston (who are a man). So there is no machismo in this, quite the contrary.
We must not forget every cartoon was made according to criteria of its year of manufacture. (Snow White cleans up in 1937, but Belle is smart and reads in 1991) ^^
Boy.... you're preaching to the choir.. Disney movies reflect the exaggerated values and the imagination side of things.. that's why they call it WONDER or DREAMS. If it were based on total TRUE facts... Then it'd be MTV. The way I see it... these movies are harming no one... unless the person watching it and the people letting them watch are are totally stupid.
I don't think Disney was purposely trying to teach these ideas to young children... It's just a matter of developing characters and situations that have already existed in pop culture or in every day life. It's just basic entertainment and morals. You're always going to find controversy in something no matter what it is. (I do however agree that the writers/artists got a bit carried away with the sexual portrayals of Jasmine of "Aladdin" and Ariel in "The Little Mermaid.")
I think all the evil women are old women - can't think of a young evil women (apart from the ugly sisters - and they were portrayed as older than the Cinderella) However Disney movies (the non-cartoon type) are a little less stereotypical :)
@adelejameson i guess in the world of Disney, old people have nothing to do so they decide to become villains... XD now that's enlightening.
i don't know what to think. i grew up with disney movies and now my sister who is 7 yeras old also watches them. i just hope that all these stereotypes are just our imagination...
There's a long existing stereotype that older women, have not only lost their looks but now become ugly in charachter too. Disney uses this stereotype all the time, but it can't be put down to Disney. Look at Classical Greek (at least 3000 years ago), the Goddess Hecate was the 'crone' the third phase in a woman's life - the one where she becomes an ugly old witch!!
well, being greek, i'm aware of the somewhat...controversial myths.
however, as you said, these are 3000 year old beliefs. i don't know how clever it is to portray such behavior in nowadays society.
however, if you think about it, children tend to like the good looking characters in animated movies. maybe they make their bad guys ugly so that kids will not identify with them. :)
Disney is fucken races. The first movie with a black person(princess and the frog). They had that lady 4 a few minutes. Then she was a fucken frog 4 the whole fucken movie. I didn't c the fucken races movie my sister did. She told me everything. Disney is giving out beliefs. That's really bad. Disney. I want u shut down!!! Fuck u mr walt disney!!! Fuck u 2 hell
Fuck u all. Disney is a terrible company. I c u bastards haven't the bad things they have done because they hid their evidence. There were many videos I have seen that disney is terrible. Disneyis a terrible creation. It's crap.
who ever made this is a idiot there is no stereo types there is no bad things in disney movies you have no right to dis such wonderful creations of walt disney it is simply entertainment for children nothing else look at other movie directors making movies about sex and unapropriat things such as that disney has no problems what so ever and if you think the opposite then it surely is none of your bisness is operated and they just keep going do you see any sex scenes in disney no...you sir/mam
Im sorry but what you think of disney is a bunch of BULL CRAP! Disney is the best thing ever, the make movie for entertaingment not for incrougment, im srry but THINK!
Wow...! This Is Amazing! Im A Big Person On Disney Moviess! Even I Agree! And Im Only 14! I Agree That They Fo Have To Change It. Children Cant Be Growing Up Thinking This Way.
i have aways wondered why when i am with my friends i am this strong independent girl who can do what she wants and do everything by herself but as soon as the guy i like walks in i become this shy weak girl who cant stand up for her self! now i relies it is b/c i lived off of Disney!
lol i love Disney cartoons! :-D Not so sure about the Disney channel though...damn that channel is getting more and more sexual! its kinda gross how sexual kids act now! arg!
This is ridiculous, ha's wrong with being shown as a mother, or a wife in love?
I hate it when feminism tries to act as if feminity, and natural female wants i.e. motherhood, are a bad thing because it somehow makes us weak? What's so wrong with being strong in a feminine sense?
@TinyAbii Well, I cannot speak for feminism as a whole or the different waves of feminism. Feminism has always defended my rights to a safe relationship, motherhood, and "natural female wants". The females in disney are depicted as weak, passive, and saved by men. Now there's some strong mothers and wives! I think the "somehow" is how motherhood and marriage have been used countless times throughout history to suppress women.
@TinyAbii Well, I cannot speak for feminism as a whole or the different waves of feminism. Feminism has always defended my rights to a safe relationship, motherhood, and "natural female wants". The females in disney are depicted as weak, passive, and saved by men. Now there's some strong mothers and wives! I think the "somehow" is how motherhood and marriage have been used countless times throughout history to suppress women.
@TinyAbii Sadly, the way socitey has evloved, it is a bad thing and women don't like feeling like second class citizens. I know you have to be strong to be a mom but it isn't seen that way. You see how women are made into sex objects? It seems to be the only way not to be an object is to be mascuiline.
@TinyAbii I have to agree with you. I am a "feminist" in that I feel that I am just capable as any man but I also realize that feminism is as Louis Griffin said about choice. You can be a wife/mother as long as you realize that you can have a career outside the home and teach your children that men/women can be whatever they want what is wrong with that.
@TinyAbii Feminism does not bash YOUR female wants of wanting to be be a good mother. The desire to be a good mother is not a "natural" thing as you have stated, it is an acquired desire. This video did not say you were weak for wanting to be a mother, it is simply implying that women should not be portrayed as ONLY a wife, mother, servile, with an unrealistic figure..etc.
@TinyAbii I think the author's main point was not to condemn home-making or traditional mothering. If that's how a woman chooses to live her life, then she has every right to do so. However, what worrying is how female Disney villains are portrayed as independent and family-less individuals. Women who are driven to focus on personal success are being condemned. While it's true that these villains had evil intentions, there are very few female Disney heroes who digress from their "ideal" image.
@poopshemala Yes, but at that time, Pixar has its own writing team separate from Disney and made separate films from disney, which is why the Pixar films aren't listed under the Disney animated canon.
There is no need for me to cool down. I am already calm. Also, I know it's not my job, and you don't displease me. Thank you for granting me your attention. Bitch.
dude... I was just trying to press your buttons lol I honestly forgot that I had even left that comment until I saw that you replied... that's all I wanted.
I was like 5 years old and jamine in red with her hair up use to make me so horny as a child in public at the disney store it was more thrilling than porn for me at that age. sexy cartoon are so unattainable it's fucked up.
Overall though I like it. It's not angry and rash like a lot of videos and articles on this subject and it's not saying these images need to be gotten rid of, just that we need more diversity, which I agree with. :)
Your video makes some good points, but I think you were a bit unfair about the males being aggressive because usually it's mostly the bad males who are aggressive (e.g. Gaston). The good ones are kind and caring. Also your conclusion that they should show more diversity is absolutely right but you don't mention that they have already started to do that in more recent times, e.g. with characters like Mulan. A better conclusion may be that they should continue to be more diverse.
no, you are wrong. Disney used the existed stories, but it changed and modified most of them in order to suit Disney's taste and the social structures. Go compare the stories by yourselves, and you'll know how different they are.
We just looked at a video just like this in my sociology class on gender. I knew Disney had some very "sexy" characters but geez. They should tone it down a little.
my LA teacher showed us this vid and man!! i will never look at disney the same way again!!! especially the part when the song naughty girl comes on... :D
So, Disney promotes the idea that men and women should have set roles. So? Why does everyone seem to think that being sexy, non-aggressive, and valuing brains and cleverness above brawn, is such a bad thing?
Perhaps it's slightly more negative to say men should be aggressive and domineering, I guess. But let's be honest, Disney portrays 'being too stereotypically masculine' as wrong, in men or women. Isn't that a good thing, though?
Music clips were used from the following songs (in order): Bottom of the Ocean/Miley Cyrus, Paradise City/Guns n Roses, Mummers Dance/Loreena Mckennitt, Baby of Mine & Whistle While You Work/Disney, Holding Out For a Hero/Bonnie Tyler, Naughty Girl/Beyonce, Animal I Have Become/3 Days Grace, Evil Woman/Electric Light House, Decode/Paramore, Little Things/Danny Elfman.
I can see your point. But at the same time children are attracted to the grossly unrealistic fairytales. Any thing that is different than that won't sell.
i see what you are getting at with this but some of these i feel are overly analytical: gender roles in peter pan, mulan, lion king to name a few are the way they are not because of imposing values towards children, its because its accurate, maybe they could have done a better job with incredibles but one cannot argue with the social values of a previous generation/ period, you cant just have women speaking out and giving opinions if you piece is based in medieval times, it wouldnt make sense
im not sayin that the movies are completely accurate, im sayin that complaining that there should be independent women in a film set prior to the 20th century is pointless, the fact is they didnt exist, all women had their roles as the person who looked after children and made meals etc.
believe what you want, but as far as i can see this isnt really a problem as its appropriate for the period, and to say otherwise is ignorant in my opinion
I have a problem with the 'mother' section. All those show a mother as nurturing, caring and a protector of her children. Is a loving mother a bad 'sterotype'? Don't we want people to grow up to be loving mothers? As a girl who works in a daycare and adores kids, that is a 'good sterotype.' Disney showed me that loving, caring mothers are good, and (in Cinderella) harsh, disrespectful mothers are bad. I support the steryotype!
besides, kids don't really notice these things. I've seen aladdin hundreds of times even as an adult and it still didn't strike me. So what's the problem?
I've watched most of these films when I was a child, and I still like to return to them when ever I feel like it and I don't feel violated in anyway. So women are portrayed as sexy - haven't you thought about it from a different perspective? Message: listen girls no matter who you are you can be sexy and attractive, you just have to believe in yourself!
So the women are "mothers". Aren't they mothers in real life? Shouldn't they care nd nurture their offspring?
Mulan was breaking that tradition of the stay-at-home, know-your-place standard that China no doubt followed.
As for the males part, I like the idea of my knight in shining armor fighting for the damsel. Yes, it would be cool if there was a female character that would be the war hero, but that's just not in alot of stories. All in all I don't agree with everything you're saying. Besides, kids don't always notice this stuff. I watched almost all of these and they never affected me.
I don't know if I can agree with the whole gender thing, because the films are just following with how the culture was back in time. Take Peter Pan and Lady&Tramp for example. Back then (Victorian Britain and America), it was the woman's role to be a nurturing wife and mother to her kids. and in China back then the wife was always supposed to submit to the husband. Actually, that clip you showed of Mulan singing about a girl who has a brain can be seen as encouraging girls to be smart, because
has anyone heard of the versions of disney stories before young infants began to intake these "sweet" animated movies? for example: sleeping beauty was re-written for children, but the original version was for adults, it had many...subliminal parts in it. like; when sleeping beauty woke up, she was pregnant and gave birth after her awakening after over 100 years in "coma" or what the fuck ever. im not sure about much of this, but i know its true
What wrong with a woman being hot? Also, I don`t think that Disney has a terrible affect on young girls. Sure, they go through their princess stages, but they get over it.
That was good... if I say anything more it will be a rant... nice song picks... Oops... It's all about control and they got US good... (not just Dissney)... yeah, I spelled that right... I don't think
I did an 8 page paper on Disney and their messages. I also noticed something with "the other" woman. They have purple and/or black on their clothes or their eyelids.
Disney is in business to make money, so they produce the product that they think the most people will want to buy. if the people at the top thought, i don't know, whatever changes you seem to think need to be made to thier films would sell the most, they would do it. the culture influences Disney, not the other way around. you need to give "the masses", as i bet you refer to the people whom these films are marketed to, more credit. and how are your gender role ideas any more or less arbitrary
thats a good point u have. but i was a bit taken back by u not having the song "femininity" in here. it says u must always "compliment masculinity". there's no problem with that exactly, but the whole song sings about how women must be fragile and innocent and all that crap. it's a good point that u have in this video! another song that really is like femininity is "popular" from wicked, and maybe even "cool" from camp rock.
Snow White is also another example of a negative role model for women, considering how fragile the girl seems to be, but I don't think Disney would be able to pull that off anymore. Not these days, people would be furious at something like Sleeping Beauty.
Your points do stand, but not all of your clips were wise choices. That's my only real critique: you chose the wrong examples to support a point that is still very valid.
I'll agree that Disney screwed the pooch with their movies, but more in the past than in the present, which is why I don't get worked up about it. Sleeping Beauty for example, is gorgeous, sings wonderfully, good-natured, but the girl spends a load of the movie just sleeping. Though bits of Mulan could have been better, the overall message seems to be to be very positive for girls (not as much for boys, but a bit I'd say).
You have to remember though that Disney thought of and wrote only a very small fraction..(in fact I can't think of one off the top of my head) of the stories involved themselves, they're nearly all fairy tales or true stories and they can only alter the original story so much
I see what the maker of the video means *dodges tomatoes*, mostly, this was well argued, what about Pocohontas and Mulan being tomboys though, what about The Beast needing to be gentle to be turned back. Good though.
Are you new? Women are beautiful creatures and there is nothing wrong with that. If people watch Disney movies and assume that all women can do is seduce men, than that is their problem not Disney's.
Skydiver, way to miss the point. Media such as this reinforce the gender roles that were forced onto us thousands of years ago. Try using your imagination to conceive of totally different movie plots. The possiblities are endless. The fact that you can't immediately see how there could even be movies without these gender roles is the whole point of this video. You only think this way because you've been socialised! Duh.
I think it's excellent, brinank, great work. I hope you're not discouraged by the negative comments. People who have no understanding of sociology shouldn't be commenting at all.
I particularly love your point about how the evil male characters conform to gender roles, but the evil female characters are deviants and presumably only evil beause they're deviant.
I'm glad to see this. : I've been saying for years that Disney movies are too stereotypical of male and female roles and they give a false impression of situations in life always turning out "right". Don't get me wrong, though... I love Disney movies and have watched them many, many times, it's cool how the good guy always wins. Alas, though, I am still waiting on my Prince Charming! hahahaha :)
I had never seen someone interpret disney movies like this, but I believe you are placing the blame in the wrong place. Many, if not most, of these movies are based on books, legends or fairy tales. Snow White, Cinderella, Pocahontas , Hercules, Beauty and the Beast, and Tarzan are all examples. Secondly, if it weren't for your "stereotypical gender roles" much of the movie plots would not be possible. How would Hercules regain his immortality if he were a stay at home dad?
For all who missed the point of the Video, this was to show the effects on how children are raised in todays society. You hit the points that are needed to express you opioion. I do agree what the films tell our children on how to become. brinank you did a good job. but in the end it is still just a flim made for entertainment no matter the plot. It is up to the parents to raise their children to the standards that they wish to represent of themselves.
everybody is allowed a typo for crying out loud! You can't call somebody a dumbass because of that! Besides, why are you the judge of "proper comprehension"? Just because YOU have a certain point of view doesn't mean that it is the proper one.You can't go around offending people just because you have a different stance!
Your video does a great job! I agree that women in disney movies are displayed as being very passive and perfect. Where the lead males display characteristics of power and agression. The clip with Gaston saying "It's not right..." was a great choice it not only shows a males view, it takes it another step because he said the "whole town was talking." Which means not only men have this opinion, but it demonstates that females also should see a female being independent and intelligent as wrong.
When character's are villians, there conduct is never encouraged. I don't encourage acting like Gaston or the Beast, and neither does Disney, that is why they are portrayed as the antagonist, not as the role model protagonist.
I don't know why you and cwadd316 are saying that I used only villains in the masculinity part. Hercules, Simba, Bambi, Mr. Incredible, Tarzan, The lost boys and indians from Peter Pan, The mice in The Mouse Detective, the Beast (at the end of the movie), The characters in the Mulan part, Kocoum....none of them are portrayed as the evil villains in their respective movies. Violence and strength are encouraged if you watch the movies. For example, Hercules isn't "great" until after he is built.
well, hercules may be seen as great from a very superficial standpoint after he's "built" but the movie stresses that he's not truly great until he become a sacrifce for the one that he loves.
In typical archetypal works, sacrifice is a female characteristic.
just saying. Still a good piece of work you have here.
There are so many flaws in your video argument that I'm not even sure where to start. You use clips of both mulan and Helen Parr/Elastigirl in your video showing them as submissive and homemakers. If you actually look at the movies though you will see that both these characters end up being brave and heroic, with Helen even going so far as to save her husband from the bad guys. Also, the large large majority of men who's conduct you call bad are the villians in their respective movies.
I don't use a clip of Mulan as "homemaker." I did use Helen b/c she is shown doing the housework. Mr. Incredible is never shown helping out with the laundry and cleaning the house. Why is that? Helen does not actually save her husband, he is already released by the villain when she gets there. I like Mulan, but I think the ending would have been better if she had taken the chief council position at the end. It would encourage independence for women.
Ewible11, there are two levels of gender debate in Disney movies, an "official" and a subliminal one. On a superficial level some Disney stories do show assertive women - like Mulan. But the inherent final message is this: "be modest, strong woman, and go home like a good girl". Had Mulan be a male hero, she would NEVER have turned down the emperor's offer. Never ever. And the fact that this is ALWAYS the case in Disney is what's wrong with the whole system.
Also your portrayal of the ideal male is blatantly misconstrued since in the clips shown, the violent, aggressive, dominate male is villain whose actions are not condoned by the story line nor shown to be the desirable ideal of maleness. Also in your demonstration of the ideal male there appears a clip from Mulan showing a Woman demonstrating these traits, which goes against your contention that these are being portrayed as male characteristics. These are childrens tales not politcal propaganda.
Ok lets be honest about this, first your idea that these clips show deviating from the "ideals" bad is obviously a misrepresentation since in the clips, 1st about a girl reading-the line is delivered by the villain whose position is then shown to be incorrect, 2nd about a girl who "speaks her mind" is in a movie with a female lead who is strong, brave, and intelligent all of which are shown to be admirable qualities in a woman.
Good pts, I encourage criticism. 1st clip w/ Gaston: "It's not right..." is delivered by villain; however, I used the clip because it was a "male perspective" clip. I think it's great that you obviously admire those qualities in a woman. There are still many women today that don't depict them. 2nd clip w/ Mulan-true she's brave,....; however, up until the end of the movie, she's in disguise as Male. One could argue, she's demonstrating ideal male qualities.
I think with Mulan, the greater message tends to be that a woman can most definitely tolerate the physical challenges a male soldier would go through (and the emotional ones) as opposed to just showing that this is how men should be. That kind of becomes irrelevant, since the whole story is about Mulan's ability to be as strong as a man, which goes against the typical female stereotype.
I grew up with Disney. I learned alot from Disney movies and what i learned is that you should never judge people because of how they look, reading is a GOOD thing, marry for love, a woman can do anthing she sets her mind to, I should do my chores or els the house is disgusting, wash my hands, ect. What people should wory about is the t.v. shows like Hannah Montana. Those shows show kids that being rude and makeing someone feel dumb because they didnt get somthing the first time is ok.
Meggie7515575 8 hours ago
You are so Bias...These arent even Disney's ideas, these are traditional stories that disney made movies off of, And you dont even give credit to Mulan who was a proud warrior, The Lion King was based ooff of hamlet so and even in that Nnala always beat Simba in a fight, and the Beast didnt look like that out of male symbolism it was cuz he's a f*cking BEAST, finding nemo...single father, caring for his kid, tarzan was representaition of a time period where females behaved like that..Come on!
hamco93 2 weeks ago
Does anyone know what the song is that starts at 1:50
johannesvdd 3 weeks ago
i dont get it... what are we complaining about?? Is Disney supposed to portray a "perfect" little society that has nothing to do with the society we live in??? Characters are made according to the ways and behavior of real people. If you have a problem with the way our society is portrayed in EVERY single movie or cartoon then change the world, heroes! tssss
MuLaTiSiMa 1 month ago
@MuLaTiSiMa i couldn't have said it better!
MustiHakan 3 weeks ago
notice how all the evil woman are ugly! can we plzz have a cute evil woman plzz
asimmervideo 2 months ago
And why is every woman's happy ending always to get married and become a mother? Especially being a mother/homemaker. It's like they're telling us the only way to be happy and fulfilled as a woman is to make babies and become subservient. But I guess it only bothers me because I'm more of a free spirit. Sorry for ranting.
MsSbolin 2 months ago
@MsSbolin I find it a little bit ironic that you are speaking out against being Disney forcing the idea that motherhood and subservience is the only way to be happy, and then you apologize for having an opinion. I completely agree with you, i just felt the need to point out the irony. I suppose it's just proof that Disney's brainwashing has had effects :/
Midnightsilver13 1 month ago
Actually, I think there's much more sexism toward women than men in Disney movies. Even as a star or main character, women are always portrayed as being weaker or unable to provide for themselves. Any woman who doesn't have a man in her life is always sad and helpless, waiting for her prince to come save her. And every woman seems to have this perfect barbie doll figure, except for older women who are usually maids or mother figures. And why is every woman's happy ending always to get married a
MsSbolin 2 months ago
The music makes it hard for me to watch this without laughing.
wwaif 2 months ago
There already is diversity among the Disney men! These images aren't damaging to boys. This video doesn't comprehend the big picture. The clips used don't explain why or how good these men got their design; only that they are to "masculine" and "stereotypical". Why would anyone make such outlandish accusations? People should not be quick to judge. There is far more to being a man than you'd have mentioned.
The masculine portrayal in those films taught me about honor.
TWBennett1 3 months ago
@TWBennett1 These videos, though valid only use characters that support their points, they never seem to use male characters such as Milo who was not muscular, was not violent. But hey ho...your previous comment is also excellent :)
LilMissMadHatterBell 3 weeks ago
4. The Male Image of Disney
Emperor's New Groove - Kuzco or Pacha
Atlantis - Milo
Brother Bear - Kenai or Koda
Finding Nemo - Marlin or Nemo
Aladdin - Aladdin
Jungle Book - Mowgli, Baloo
Huntch Back of Notre Dome - Quasimodo
Dinosaur - Aladar
Most Disney (even ones I didn't mention) characters use intelligence over muscle. Also, they are shown to be benevolent and respectful, they develop much internal qualities like: hope, mercy, grace, friendship, and determination.
TWBennett1 3 months ago
Beast defended Belle from wolves and chose not to kill Gaston, even when Gaston's goal was to kill him.
3. Strength is important because without it how could defend the people they want to protect. Hercules never used his strength for evil; even when Hades took his powers Hercules defended the people.
Mulan takes place during a war, at camp they are being trained to fight to defeat the enemy. While there, they all became friends and learned to respect one another.
TWBennett1 3 months ago
I respect the video's argument but I must intervene with this:
1. If males are described as being "protectors" or "heroes" isn't this a great role model for young boys?
2. As for violence, Simba was upset Scar killed his father just to be King. He didn't want to fight. He even said he would not kill Scar, but Scar attacked him out of bitterness. Simba defended himself and he spared his life.
Tarzan follows the same model, when he had a chance to shoot Clayton he threw his gun away.
TWBennett1 3 months ago
people thnk that women re born to be kind sympathetic and other weak qualities the thing is those qualities arent genetic they are learn.
djremix221 3 months ago
I'm a little frustrated with this video--as others have pointed out, what's wrong with wanting to be a wife and mother? Does that make me stupid or abnormal? And also, many of the examples of the Disney characters were taken out of context. There were some good points in the video, though.
Avielleya 3 months ago
the sexuality disney potraying is undenialable no matter what anyone says, stop making excuses and take sociology class you open your mind to what society is teaching our young childern.
this is not feminism this is reality.!
djremix221 3 months ago
Leave the saving of the world to the men?............I don't think so! I don't think so....
OptimusPrimePrincess 4 months ago 2
I watched this in media studies today AND plus i learned more of the stereotypes in another class. As a woman I am sick and tired of us girls being the damsel in distress and being portrayed as the passive and weak. Its time for a change.
OptimusPrimePrincess 4 months ago 3
My sociology teacher showed this to us, looking at gender roles and identities.
NightGlider666 4 months ago
death to brinak!!!
DecoyOctopus100 7 months ago
What kind of mental midget considers a mother role to be "weak" ?
Are you stupid? My mother is a hero for raising me - sure my father helped too but she worked hardest, if only about childbirth if not anything else.
This video is messed up !
cr4yv3n 7 months ago
this video is odd. this has always been the way our society has been and now of all of a sudden its wrong?
XxXBigWapumxXx 8 months ago
@XxXBigWapumxXx maybe it is time to wake up
HUNRUSPWNZ 5 months ago
this is such a good video although you could have made the point more clear for those who do not think critically ( u must knw what i mean) but really good video and yes i do agree on the points that you argue.. the socialization that kids are getting from this movies are not the more adequate ones for their development.
marialexa10 9 months ago
First of all, what is wrong with being a mother or wife? How is that weak in any sense? Second of all, a lot of your examples were villains, which did nothing to prove your point. Gaston is dominant, strong, "ideal male"- and the villain. In fact, I think by showing some of these clips, you are countering your own claim. When Jasmine was in the red, being "sexual", she was appealing to the villain, suggesting that this behavior is inappropriate. If you're going to do this, have some good proof.
iloveyou0713 11 months ago
@iloveyou0713 - there's nothing wrong with being a wife/mother. Disney is just portraying this as the 'ideal' woman. Any deviants to this is abnormal.The same thing is being done with men. Men must be aggressive, strong, concrete in any emotions. Any deviants is abnormal and weak. Since children are the main audience, it's dangerous to set these kind of ideas into their minds without proper guidance to show them that just because Disney sees it as fit, doesn't mean that it is the right way.
ama050 10 months ago
It's mainly just Disney who's at fault for this now, the other major cartoon studios such as Dreamworks and Sony are coming along much better in a balanced character development. Movies such as Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs and How to train your Dragon have the male protagonist as a scrawny nerd who overcomes all odds. They make it realistic in the sense that no one has faith in them till they prove results. The female leads are both against the stereo-norm as well.
purps4545 11 months ago
yeah notice the older women are usually the evil, fat ones, decievers. etc
WonderWomanFan4life 11 months ago
wtf lol.. Men and women have acted/and been seen in these types of Views WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before Disney was ever created lol ... disney is juss a way of lettin you know what ur in for as u grow up ...
SpiderWebs29 1 year ago
@SpiderWebs29 yep, disney conforms to these images because of the fact that they use old stories (why is not a bad thing). These stories represent men and women according to their society at the time. In fact disney has started to break these stereotypes slowly but surely (like Atlantis breaking the male stereotype).
Looking at disney as a whole gives mixed signals, but studying 2 or 3 films in particular will give a broader image.
Wow I sound all professional.
malaketh 1 year ago
If you got a Boner from 5:34 - 7:11 ... you have issues.....
SpiderWebs29 1 year ago
Add in the reccent Disney princesses, Tiana and Rapunzel and they break that "weak" standard, btw alot of this is cherry picking things.. I mean really whens the last time you looked up what area these were published in. Disney followed what was popular, ie Snow white, at the time. And I agree, DC is just ick now a days..
DimitrisduchessXD 1 year ago
Hey 1st off I'm a real liberal open minded person but I'm also a very critical thinker. I say sure: deviate from your gender norm; but don't you think that gender roles actually help relationships to have roles? If you don't like them change them. Society is very screwed up & as much as I'd like 2 blame Disney I do not find this arguent compelling enough. Also it doesn't explain Y men aresuch cowards or why women R more like the evil women in these films, explains why theyre such sluts maybe
Jairalee3 1 year ago
you cant blame disney's portrayal of hercules. its based on a greek story and greek epics usually have that stereotypical view of what it is to be a man
Virgil077 1 year ago
mind boggling... i am impressed , wow!! :O
hollistuhhh 1 year ago
There is a lot of good points in the video, but lets be fair
Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Tarzan, Pieter Pan and Aladin are not written by Disney and in the Disney's version, women are much stronger than in the original ones. Also, examples of Mulan don't count since this is the most anti-chauvinistic movie of them all.
Violence is part of the male characters, but they hardly every win with violence, but smarts, sacrifice and courage. Bad guys are deviant
TriMiro8107 1 year ago
I feel that the movie goes with da time
dagreg32 1 year ago
Some of these examples are ridiculous. Hercules?! Of coarse he plays a hero role, he's a fricken greek god, he's supposed to beat up the hydra. I would be concerned if he had to be saved by Meg.
orangepeel278 1 year ago 2
Helen Parr is an unconventional mother figure. She is a superhero forced to go into hiding, although she's not to unhappy about it. When her husband's in trouble, she takes matters into her own hands, because no matter how idiotic and ignorant she can act, she loves him all the same. She's a realistic portrayal of a woman.
Atheneastro 1 year ago
I don't think you can really use animals as examples of sexism. I mean, female animals usually take care of their young on their own, thats not sexist, its nature.
vanityandmirrors 1 year ago
Perhaps the time has Disney was still living there were the side there, but now we have a completely different side. Now we have a Rapunzel (2010) who fight and defends herself. Moreover, for example, in Beauty and the Beast, Belle is more clever than Gaston (who are a man). So there is no machismo in this, quite the contrary.
We must not forget every cartoon was made according to criteria of its year of manufacture. (Snow White cleans up in 1937, but Belle is smart and reads in 1991) ^^
Angedu95 1 year ago
you are understanding of the meaning to diseny movies is wrong not the other way around each movie has a meaning to it
Chosendragon1 1 year ago
Boy.... you're preaching to the choir.. Disney movies reflect the exaggerated values and the imagination side of things.. that's why they call it WONDER or DREAMS. If it were based on total TRUE facts... Then it'd be MTV. The way I see it... these movies are harming no one... unless the person watching it and the people letting them watch are are totally stupid.
toledosan 1 year ago 2
What song is that at 2:00?
toledosan 1 year ago
I don't think Disney was purposely trying to teach these ideas to young children... It's just a matter of developing characters and situations that have already existed in pop culture or in every day life. It's just basic entertainment and morals. You're always going to find controversy in something no matter what it is. (I do however agree that the writers/artists got a bit carried away with the sexual portrayals of Jasmine of "Aladdin" and Ariel in "The Little Mermaid.")
theheatofher 1 year ago
This is normal in real life! Noone cares if males are dominant, i mean what can i do that offends anyone?
MiiJay 1 year ago
LoL
to be honest i don't really think of any female evil characters being the kind of hot, beautiful, dominant woman...
i swear i don't remember so tell me if i'm wrong...
hhmmm...let me think...izma is an ugly fossil with legs, ursula is a fat bitch, cruela looks like she could play in "Zombies night out"... O_O
no....still can't find anyone..
greendayluvr94 1 year ago
I think all the evil women are old women - can't think of a young evil women (apart from the ugly sisters - and they were portrayed as older than the Cinderella) However Disney movies (the non-cartoon type) are a little less stereotypical :)
adelejameson 1 year ago
@adelejameson i guess in the world of Disney, old people have nothing to do so they decide to become villains... XD now that's enlightening.
i don't know what to think. i grew up with disney movies and now my sister who is 7 yeras old also watches them. i just hope that all these stereotypes are just our imagination...
greendayluvr94 1 year ago
@greendayluvr94 So cool that you replied!
There's a long existing stereotype that older women, have not only lost their looks but now become ugly in charachter too. Disney uses this stereotype all the time, but it can't be put down to Disney. Look at Classical Greek (at least 3000 years ago), the Goddess Hecate was the 'crone' the third phase in a woman's life - the one where she becomes an ugly old witch!!
adelejameson 1 year ago
@adelejameson ^_^
well, being greek, i'm aware of the somewhat...controversial myths.
however, as you said, these are 3000 year old beliefs. i don't know how clever it is to portray such behavior in nowadays society.
however, if you think about it, children tend to like the good looking characters in animated movies. maybe they make their bad guys ugly so that kids will not identify with them. :)
greendayluvr94 1 year ago
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adelejameson 1 year ago
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adelejameson 1 year ago
Male violence...the good guy(the beast) keeps that guy alive, doesn't he?
You're taking a lot out of context.
Ryenomite 1 year ago
What a fox...that beautiful orange fur...
Ryenomite 1 year ago
If anything, Mulan is PRO equality.
and in beauty and the beast..the guy that said girls shouldn't read...is OBVIOUSLY the bad guy, teaching kids that they shouldn't think that way.
Ryenomite 1 year ago
@Ryenomite and Chinese culture might be the problem...not disney..regarding the wife/husband relationship in mulan
Ryenomite 1 year ago
Disney is fucken races. The first movie with a black person(princess and the frog). They had that lady 4 a few minutes. Then she was a fucken frog 4 the whole fucken movie. I didn't c the fucken races movie my sister did. She told me everything. Disney is giving out beliefs. That's really bad. Disney. I want u shut down!!! Fuck u mr walt disney!!! Fuck u 2 hell
thecreator10ify 1 year ago
Fuck u all. Disney is a terrible company. I c u bastards haven't the bad things they have done because they hid their evidence. There were many videos I have seen that disney is terrible. Disneyis a terrible creation. It's crap.
thecreator10ify 1 year ago
who ever made this is a idiot there is no stereo types there is no bad things in disney movies you have no right to dis such wonderful creations of walt disney it is simply entertainment for children nothing else look at other movie directors making movies about sex and unapropriat things such as that disney has no problems what so ever and if you think the opposite then it surely is none of your bisness is operated and they just keep going do you see any sex scenes in disney no...you sir/mam
jonaslover123222 1 year ago
Im sorry but what you think of disney is a bunch of BULL CRAP! Disney is the best thing ever, the make movie for entertaingment not for incrougment, im srry but THINK!
TeenTitansXYugioh 1 year ago
I hope you got an F on this
michiyoyoshiku 1 year ago
whats the song that starts at 1:22?
lightning745 1 year ago
Paradise city
Bazookajoe4000 1 year ago
They only show the clips that support their argument.
youngtusk87 2 years ago
Wow...! This Is Amazing! Im A Big Person On Disney Moviess! Even I Agree! And Im Only 14! I Agree That They Fo Have To Change It. Children Cant Be Growing Up Thinking This Way.
xiomara20028 2 years ago
i have aways wondered why when i am with my friends i am this strong independent girl who can do what she wants and do everything by herself but as soon as the guy i like walks in i become this shy weak girl who cant stand up for her self! now i relies it is b/c i lived off of Disney!
hsm343 2 years ago
lol i love Disney cartoons! :-D Not so sure about the Disney channel though...damn that channel is getting more and more sexual! its kinda gross how sexual kids act now! arg!
petiteAlicious 2 years ago 10
This is ridiculous, ha's wrong with being shown as a mother, or a wife in love?
I hate it when feminism tries to act as if feminity, and natural female wants i.e. motherhood, are a bad thing because it somehow makes us weak? What's so wrong with being strong in a feminine sense?
TinyAbii 2 years ago 14
@TinyAbii Well, I cannot speak for feminism as a whole or the different waves of feminism. Feminism has always defended my rights to a safe relationship, motherhood, and "natural female wants". The females in disney are depicted as weak, passive, and saved by men. Now there's some strong mothers and wives! I think the "somehow" is how motherhood and marriage have been used countless times throughout history to suppress women.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
But I agree being a female, a mother, or in love are strong attributes, if that is what you meant.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
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@TinyAbii Well, I cannot speak for feminism as a whole or the different waves of feminism. Feminism has always defended my rights to a safe relationship, motherhood, and "natural female wants". The females in disney are depicted as weak, passive, and saved by men. Now there's some strong mothers and wives! I think the "somehow" is how motherhood and marriage have been used countless times throughout history to suppress women.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
@TinyAbii Sadly, the way socitey has evloved, it is a bad thing and women don't like feeling like second class citizens. I know you have to be strong to be a mom but it isn't seen that way. You see how women are made into sex objects? It seems to be the only way not to be an object is to be mascuiline.
PhoenixAngel429 1 year ago
@TinyAbii I have to agree with you. I am a "feminist" in that I feel that I am just capable as any man but I also realize that feminism is as Louis Griffin said about choice. You can be a wife/mother as long as you realize that you can have a career outside the home and teach your children that men/women can be whatever they want what is wrong with that.
littlesongbird1 6 months ago
@TinyAbii Feminism does not bash YOUR female wants of wanting to be be a good mother. The desire to be a good mother is not a "natural" thing as you have stated, it is an acquired desire. This video did not say you were weak for wanting to be a mother, it is simply implying that women should not be portrayed as ONLY a wife, mother, servile, with an unrealistic figure..etc.
1NUYASHAKAGOM3 3 months ago 5
@TinyAbii I think the author's main point was not to condemn home-making or traditional mothering. If that's how a woman chooses to live her life, then she has every right to do so. However, what worrying is how female Disney villains are portrayed as independent and family-less individuals. Women who are driven to focus on personal success are being condemned. While it's true that these villains had evil intentions, there are very few female Disney heroes who digress from their "ideal" image.
ValerieMillward 3 months ago
@jjeessssiiccaaxx
time to realize the world is changing it's not the 20th century anymore deutsch bag.
DBZmaster0123 2 years ago
toy story belongs to pixar for the most part.
YoshiyaKiryu01 2 years ago
Mother fucker! Pixar is a subsidiary to Disney. You don't know shit.
poopshemala 2 years ago
@poopshemala Yes, but at that time, Pixar has its own writing team separate from Disney and made separate films from disney, which is why the Pixar films aren't listed under the Disney animated canon.
NimanWielder01 2 years ago
Who gives a fuck? Your claim was that it BELONGS to pixar "for the most part".... BELONGS... not BELONGED... and you were wrong, so shut the fuck up.
poopshemala 2 years ago
@poopshemala Would you cool down? You are not Gordon Ramsey; it is not your job to be a jerk to everyone who displeases you in some minor way.
NimanWielder01 2 years ago
There is no need for me to cool down. I am already calm. Also, I know it's not my job, and you don't displease me. Thank you for granting me your attention. Bitch.
poopshemala 2 years ago
You're right. You're scared for your inadiquacies, so you try to show up random people, hoping that will make you seem smarter by comparison.
And yes, the fact that I'm sinking to firing back at dreck like this shows I'm little better.
NimanWielder01 2 years ago
dude... I was just trying to press your buttons lol I honestly forgot that I had even left that comment until I saw that you replied... that's all I wanted.
poopshemala 2 years ago
Thus, Toy Story belongs to Disney you fucking dumbass.
poopshemala 2 years ago
as well as finding nemo...the incredibles..
littlesongbird1 2 years ago
I was like 5 years old and jamine in red with her hair up use to make me so horny as a child in public at the disney store it was more thrilling than porn for me at that age. sexy cartoon are so unattainable it's fucked up.
EMDANAL 2 years ago
Glad this was a class project ...
Little things like this get overlooked or played down but the effect is real.
Great job...
Thanks for posting...
68NYC 2 years ago
Overall though I like it. It's not angry and rash like a lot of videos and articles on this subject and it's not saying these images need to be gotten rid of, just that we need more diversity, which I agree with. :)
phoenixfriend 2 years ago
Your video makes some good points, but I think you were a bit unfair about the males being aggressive because usually it's mostly the bad males who are aggressive (e.g. Gaston). The good ones are kind and caring. Also your conclusion that they should show more diversity is absolutely right but you don't mention that they have already started to do that in more recent times, e.g. with characters like Mulan. A better conclusion may be that they should continue to be more diverse.
phoenixfriend 2 years ago
no, you are wrong. Disney used the existed stories, but it changed and modified most of them in order to suit Disney's taste and the social structures. Go compare the stories by yourselves, and you'll know how different they are.
QQsunny0917 2 years ago
i find it ironic the twilight song was on last...
OpaleyedWolf 2 years ago
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Watched this in sociology today!
It's awesome!
dhancock04 2 years ago
Well, let's put our brain into work here. How many original Grimm's stories or Hans Christian's stories do children actually read nowadays?????
How many children watch these Disney portrayls of their stories????
Now, I guess you can understand why the hell Disney is indeed somewhat partially responsible for establishing these gender roles and biases!
I don't think it's a stupid video. And I think people should aknowledge the role of the media in creating these stereotypes.
Peace
tropoway 2 years ago 2
We just looked at a video just like this in my sociology class on gender. I knew Disney had some very "sexy" characters but geez. They should tone it down a little.
xmyrtlex 2 years ago
my LA teacher showed us this vid and man!! i will never look at disney the same way again!!! especially the part when the song naughty girl comes on... :D
lightning745 2 years ago 3
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DavidJMcCarthy 2 years ago
does anyone know what song is playing at 7:18- 8:16?
J17music 2 years ago
The song is Animal I Have Become by Three Days Grace.
brinank 2 years ago 3
So, Disney promotes the idea that men and women should have set roles. So? Why does everyone seem to think that being sexy, non-aggressive, and valuing brains and cleverness above brawn, is such a bad thing?
Perhaps it's slightly more negative to say men should be aggressive and domineering, I guess. But let's be honest, Disney portrays 'being too stereotypically masculine' as wrong, in men or women. Isn't that a good thing, though?
KytallasFavourites 2 years ago
I don't mean to disrupt any conversation, but could someone list the music used in this video in order?
musicandsmarts 2 years ago
Music clips were used from the following songs (in order): Bottom of the Ocean/Miley Cyrus, Paradise City/Guns n Roses, Mummers Dance/Loreena Mckennitt, Baby of Mine & Whistle While You Work/Disney, Holding Out For a Hero/Bonnie Tyler, Naughty Girl/Beyonce, Animal I Have Become/3 Days Grace, Evil Woman/Electric Light House, Decode/Paramore, Little Things/Danny Elfman.
-Cheers!
brinank 2 years ago
peter pan is not a male
AndrewKH85 2 years ago
hey, how about blaming music videos for the betrayel of the way men and women are supposed to act?
vicritt23 2 years ago
I can see your point. But at the same time children are attracted to the grossly unrealistic fairytales. Any thing that is different than that won't sell.
princessagabriella16 2 years ago
More intrestingly what's the effect of constant bombardment of bad news in the media? mmmm!
daisycutter71 2 years ago
I agree with you completely. =)
Evabelle1991 2 years ago
whats the song at 5:27
beedleharrypotter 2 years ago
its called naughty girl by beyonce
J17music 2 years ago 3
i love videos like this, they are very interesting.
PrincessStingy 2 years ago
i see what you are getting at with this but some of these i feel are overly analytical: gender roles in peter pan, mulan, lion king to name a few are the way they are not because of imposing values towards children, its because its accurate, maybe they could have done a better job with incredibles but one cannot argue with the social values of a previous generation/ period, you cant just have women speaking out and giving opinions if you piece is based in medieval times, it wouldnt make sense
thenageone 2 years ago 3
Cause Disney is so known for being accurate, and realistic to the time period, right? lulz
slifty 2 years ago
im not sayin that the movies are completely accurate, im sayin that complaining that there should be independent women in a film set prior to the 20th century is pointless, the fact is they didnt exist, all women had their roles as the person who looked after children and made meals etc.
believe what you want, but as far as i can see this isnt really a problem as its appropriate for the period, and to say otherwise is ignorant in my opinion
if you believe to the contrary fair enough
i dont care
thenageone 2 years ago
Wow you sir are very intelligent for bringing out the truth in disney films. Nicely said!
gravekeepersven 2 years ago
wtfs the point to this ???
Noizpunk138 2 years ago
The point is that stereotypes are shaping the way the younger generation thinks and feels about themselves.
undeniability 2 years ago
meh...
leeroynaggins 2 years ago
I have a problem with the 'mother' section. All those show a mother as nurturing, caring and a protector of her children. Is a loving mother a bad 'sterotype'? Don't we want people to grow up to be loving mothers? As a girl who works in a daycare and adores kids, that is a 'good sterotype.' Disney showed me that loving, caring mothers are good, and (in Cinderella) harsh, disrespectful mothers are bad. I support the steryotype!
OnePiecechick 2 years ago 3
besides, kids don't really notice these things. I've seen aladdin hundreds of times even as an adult and it still didn't strike me. So what's the problem?
johnnybrooch 2 years ago
I've watched most of these films when I was a child, and I still like to return to them when ever I feel like it and I don't feel violated in anyway. So women are portrayed as sexy - haven't you thought about it from a different perspective? Message: listen girls no matter who you are you can be sexy and attractive, you just have to believe in yourself!
So the women are "mothers". Aren't they mothers in real life? Shouldn't they care nd nurture their offspring?
johnnybrooch 2 years ago
Mulan was breaking that tradition of the stay-at-home, know-your-place standard that China no doubt followed.
As for the males part, I like the idea of my knight in shining armor fighting for the damsel. Yes, it would be cool if there was a female character that would be the war hero, but that's just not in alot of stories. All in all I don't agree with everything you're saying. Besides, kids don't always notice this stuff. I watched almost all of these and they never affected me.
BelovedCaptain 2 years ago 3
I don't know if I can agree with the whole gender thing, because the films are just following with how the culture was back in time. Take Peter Pan and Lady&Tramp for example. Back then (Victorian Britain and America), it was the woman's role to be a nurturing wife and mother to her kids. and in China back then the wife was always supposed to submit to the husband. Actually, that clip you showed of Mulan singing about a girl who has a brain can be seen as encouraging girls to be smart, because
BelovedCaptain 2 years ago
this was amazing. i loved in.
rep43023 3 years ago
has anyone heard of the versions of disney stories before young infants began to intake these "sweet" animated movies? for example: sleeping beauty was re-written for children, but the original version was for adults, it had many...subliminal parts in it. like; when sleeping beauty woke up, she was pregnant and gave birth after her awakening after over 100 years in "coma" or what the fuck ever. im not sure about much of this, but i know its true
puttytat12 3 years ago
she was pregnant?
YamiandHikariYuki 2 years ago
What wrong with a woman being hot? Also, I don`t think that Disney has a terrible affect on young girls. Sure, they go through their princess stages, but they get over it.
theatergirl88 3 years ago
That was good... if I say anything more it will be a rant... nice song picks... Oops... It's all about control and they got US good... (not just Dissney)... yeah, I spelled that right... I don't think
cigarette320 3 years ago
Hi, I'm just wonder what the song is called in the Women's Roles section
ayerf1989 3 years ago
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BobDole2isback 3 years ago
I did an 8 page paper on Disney and their messages. I also noticed something with "the other" woman. They have purple and/or black on their clothes or their eyelids.
BobDole2isback 3 years ago
Also, my paper was to bash on Disney and his subliminal messages in the earlier films.
BobDole2isback 3 years ago
It has been proven that he was a 33rd degree mason, coincidence? I don't know. He also allegedly attended Nazi meetings.
DragonTheArtist 3 years ago
well done
Emmeraude 3 years ago
Disney is in business to make money, so they produce the product that they think the most people will want to buy. if the people at the top thought, i don't know, whatever changes you seem to think need to be made to thier films would sell the most, they would do it. the culture influences Disney, not the other way around. you need to give "the masses", as i bet you refer to the people whom these films are marketed to, more credit. and how are your gender role ideas any more or less arbitrary
cosmicfeedbackloop 3 years ago
thats a good point u have. but i was a bit taken back by u not having the song "femininity" in here. it says u must always "compliment masculinity". there's no problem with that exactly, but the whole song sings about how women must be fragile and innocent and all that crap. it's a good point that u have in this video! another song that really is like femininity is "popular" from wicked, and maybe even "cool" from camp rock.
sweeneytoddluvver12 3 years ago
Snow White is also another example of a negative role model for women, considering how fragile the girl seems to be, but I don't think Disney would be able to pull that off anymore. Not these days, people would be furious at something like Sleeping Beauty.
Your points do stand, but not all of your clips were wise choices. That's my only real critique: you chose the wrong examples to support a point that is still very valid.
fromthisgirl 3 years ago
I'll agree that Disney screwed the pooch with their movies, but more in the past than in the present, which is why I don't get worked up about it. Sleeping Beauty for example, is gorgeous, sings wonderfully, good-natured, but the girl spends a load of the movie just sleeping. Though bits of Mulan could have been better, the overall message seems to be to be very positive for girls (not as much for boys, but a bit I'd say).
fromthisgirl 3 years ago
You have to remember though that Disney thought of and wrote only a very small fraction..(in fact I can't think of one off the top of my head) of the stories involved themselves, they're nearly all fairy tales or true stories and they can only alter the original story so much
vvelvettearss 3 years ago
I see what the maker of the video means *dodges tomatoes*, mostly, this was well argued, what about Pocohontas and Mulan being tomboys though, what about The Beast needing to be gentle to be turned back. Good though.
beautifulbeast4 3 years ago
Another little side note
As if some women don't use sexuality to get ahead in the world. Once again not Disneys fault.
mrju10 3 years ago
The crucial word being "some". Not "all". Like in Disney.
crockywock 3 years ago
Are you new? Women are beautiful creatures and there is nothing wrong with that. If people watch Disney movies and assume that all women can do is seduce men, than that is their problem not Disney's.
It's just a movie.
mrju10 3 years ago 2
Skydiver, way to miss the point. Media such as this reinforce the gender roles that were forced onto us thousands of years ago. Try using your imagination to conceive of totally different movie plots. The possiblities are endless. The fact that you can't immediately see how there could even be movies without these gender roles is the whole point of this video. You only think this way because you've been socialised! Duh.
killmeownspiders 3 years ago
I think it's excellent, brinank, great work. I hope you're not discouraged by the negative comments. People who have no understanding of sociology shouldn't be commenting at all.
I particularly love your point about how the evil male characters conform to gender roles, but the evil female characters are deviants and presumably only evil beause they're deviant.
killmeownspiders 3 years ago
I'm a girl, I'm a tomboy too, but I'm never offended by Disney.
Fujimori234 3 years ago
I'm glad to see this. : I've been saying for years that Disney movies are too stereotypical of male and female roles and they give a false impression of situations in life always turning out "right". Don't get me wrong, though... I love Disney movies and have watched them many, many times, it's cool how the good guy always wins. Alas, though, I am still waiting on my Prince Charming! hahahaha :)
franki7002 3 years ago
I had never seen someone interpret disney movies like this, but I believe you are placing the blame in the wrong place. Many, if not most, of these movies are based on books, legends or fairy tales. Snow White, Cinderella, Pocahontas , Hercules, Beauty and the Beast, and Tarzan are all examples. Secondly, if it weren't for your "stereotypical gender roles" much of the movie plots would not be possible. How would Hercules regain his immortality if he were a stay at home dad?
skydiveriwu 3 years ago 3
c'mon it's disney.
i love disney.
interesting depiotion of it's role on society.
but if any disney movie actually influences your behavior in a negative way,
then that person was probably going to be negatively influenced by something anyways.
happydopey 3 years ago
For all who missed the point of the Video, this was to show the effects on how children are raised in todays society. You hit the points that are needed to express you opioion. I do agree what the films tell our children on how to become. brinank you did a good job. but in the end it is still just a flim made for entertainment no matter the plot. It is up to the parents to raise their children to the standards that they wish to represent of themselves.
brovio9 3 years ago
ewible11 you're a dumbass, not only did you not properly comprehend the point of the video, you also misspelled the word "villains."
stargirl2388 3 years ago
everybody is allowed a typo for crying out loud! You can't call somebody a dumbass because of that! Besides, why are you the judge of "proper comprehension"? Just because YOU have a certain point of view doesn't mean that it is the proper one.You can't go around offending people just because you have a different stance!
johnnybrooch 2 years ago
Your video does a great job! I agree that women in disney movies are displayed as being very passive and perfect. Where the lead males display characteristics of power and agression. The clip with Gaston saying "It's not right..." was a great choice it not only shows a males view, it takes it another step because he said the "whole town was talking." Which means not only men have this opinion, but it demonstates that females also should see a female being independent and intelligent as wrong.
stargirl2388 3 years ago
When character's are villians, there conduct is never encouraged. I don't encourage acting like Gaston or the Beast, and neither does Disney, that is why they are portrayed as the antagonist, not as the role model protagonist.
ewible11 3 years ago
I don't know why you and cwadd316 are saying that I used only villains in the masculinity part. Hercules, Simba, Bambi, Mr. Incredible, Tarzan, The lost boys and indians from Peter Pan, The mice in The Mouse Detective, the Beast (at the end of the movie), The characters in the Mulan part, Kocoum....none of them are portrayed as the evil villains in their respective movies. Violence and strength are encouraged if you watch the movies. For example, Hercules isn't "great" until after he is built.
brinank 3 years ago
well, hercules may be seen as great from a very superficial standpoint after he's "built" but the movie stresses that he's not truly great until he become a sacrifce for the one that he loves.
In typical archetypal works, sacrifice is a female characteristic.
just saying. Still a good piece of work you have here.
Nycticorax87 3 years ago
There are so many flaws in your video argument that I'm not even sure where to start. You use clips of both mulan and Helen Parr/Elastigirl in your video showing them as submissive and homemakers. If you actually look at the movies though you will see that both these characters end up being brave and heroic, with Helen even going so far as to save her husband from the bad guys. Also, the large large majority of men who's conduct you call bad are the villians in their respective movies.
ewible11 3 years ago
I don't use a clip of Mulan as "homemaker." I did use Helen b/c she is shown doing the housework. Mr. Incredible is never shown helping out with the laundry and cleaning the house. Why is that? Helen does not actually save her husband, he is already released by the villain when she gets there. I like Mulan, but I think the ending would have been better if she had taken the chief council position at the end. It would encourage independence for women.
brinank 3 years ago
Great points, brinank.
Ewible11, there are two levels of gender debate in Disney movies, an "official" and a subliminal one. On a superficial level some Disney stories do show assertive women - like Mulan. But the inherent final message is this: "be modest, strong woman, and go home like a good girl". Had Mulan be a male hero, she would NEVER have turned down the emperor's offer. Never ever. And the fact that this is ALWAYS the case in Disney is what's wrong with the whole system.
crockywock 3 years ago
Also your portrayal of the ideal male is blatantly misconstrued since in the clips shown, the violent, aggressive, dominate male is villain whose actions are not condoned by the story line nor shown to be the desirable ideal of maleness. Also in your demonstration of the ideal male there appears a clip from Mulan showing a Woman demonstrating these traits, which goes against your contention that these are being portrayed as male characteristics. These are childrens tales not politcal propaganda.
cwadd316 3 years ago
Ok lets be honest about this, first your idea that these clips show deviating from the "ideals" bad is obviously a misrepresentation since in the clips, 1st about a girl reading-the line is delivered by the villain whose position is then shown to be incorrect, 2nd about a girl who "speaks her mind" is in a movie with a female lead who is strong, brave, and intelligent all of which are shown to be admirable qualities in a woman.
cwadd316 3 years ago
Good pts, I encourage criticism. 1st clip w/ Gaston: "It's not right..." is delivered by villain; however, I used the clip because it was a "male perspective" clip. I think it's great that you obviously admire those qualities in a woman. There are still many women today that don't depict them. 2nd clip w/ Mulan-true she's brave,....; however, up until the end of the movie, she's in disguise as Male. One could argue, she's demonstrating ideal male qualities.
brinank 3 years ago
I think with Mulan, the greater message tends to be that a woman can most definitely tolerate the physical challenges a male soldier would go through (and the emotional ones) as opposed to just showing that this is how men should be. That kind of becomes irrelevant, since the whole story is about Mulan's ability to be as strong as a man, which goes against the typical female stereotype.
fromthisgirl 3 years ago 4
but she is still a woman and the audience knows that :)
johnnybrooch 2 years ago