Competent economists are not popular in governments. Governments have commercial interests, like they work for lobbyists and so on. So, competent economists, and even people competent at math, like Elizabeth Warren who resigned from chairing the SEC, are not welcomed.
One issue is the centralizing or decentralizing of governing operations of organized coercion, as in the case of the USSR dissolving into a bunch of independent jurisdictions with independent currencies- or, in contrast, the EU.
@EndTimesNow2012 I agree, but I'd like to add that it is not nuclear fusion that stands in the way of inexhaustible energy. We have the technology today to harness solar, tidal, wind, and geothermal energy sources. It has been shown that these alone, if fully utilized, have the potential to produce more than enough energy to fuel the world, but this will never happen unless we drastically re-evaluate our priorities as a society. As you so aptly put it, we need only the right leaders.
@sclapione Skin is taught, movements are smooth, voice is clear, and he's not even half gray yet. Considering that statistically he'll be dead from old age in 10 years, I think he's a little better than normal.
h.g wells wrote a book about this, and alexander korda produced a film based on that book, in the thirties - my point being many have been "thinking" about this for a lot longer than 40 or 50 years, try 100's and even 1000's,
not to disagree with his prognosis of eccelerated 'progress'
@EndTimesNow2012 your right we need leaders but we need to get rid of the leaders we have right now because they are literally criminals, and their interest lie not on the citizens of america, but only on their elite brethren.
wow, I am so unsubscribing, so much talk, so many intelligent cultivated individuals, so many know-everything wise-guys, and yet too inert to even provide applicable solutions. Bacteria are smarter...yep...I am angry so forgive me.
@VonManavis I agree with you. I'd add that the most horrendous thing is that these "geniuses" talk about disaster with that smirk on their faces. Only words, nothing else. Not substance. They act like those Noble Prize and Ph.D Economists who could not even predict the crisis in 2008.
We are hooked on growth.... High on the idea of our own potential to control, if not surpass, the laws of nature. But we forget one important point, we are a part of nature, and thus cannot transcend it. In order for us to transcend ourselves as a species we would have to be of divine origin, sadly we are not, and cannot.....
I just watched the final episode of Marcus du Sautoy's "The Code" and I was a bit disappointed to notice that du Sautoy did not mention the ultimate outcome for Geoffrey's West's work. He just made it seem that West's assertions were limited to the fact that cities have a 15% greater efficiencies.
I think this video and West's more detailed TED talk are important. I hope they get the attention they deserve!
This isn't a body without organs; it's a zombie without bowels. Society is a disembowelled zombie. Corporations need to be taxed to the max, whereas corporativist members, go tax free - both require mechanisms to be unhinged from government - perhaps made up of psychologists, psychoanalysts and the clergy.
At 2:56 when he says we need to go "up and down" is such an ignorant statement. Just because under our CURRENT FLAWED system of thinking, the "up/down" or "boom/bust" model is the norm, doesn't mean it HAS to be that way. Jacque Fresco proves this. I don't agree with everything Jacque believes in as far as God goes, but his blueprints for society COULD work IF there weren't incredibly evil people running the world. That is the fact the utopian minded people always leave out.
@DasButterBoat Couldn't agree with you more. They'll all see their errors soon enough. Time is short. Their world they see in their heads will NEVER happen, because our world won't be around for that long.
The argument that we have to keep jumping exponential curves that get smaller each time is the weakness of his argument. The economy has depletion sort of effects as well as self-building sort of effects. I am a firm believer in the principle of diminishing marginal returns, but think of artificial life. Think of probabilistic computing. Think of nuclear power. There are many technologies that open up vast capabilities, and not every development is lasts us for just 2-50 years.
The first thing America, needs to realize is their government is not for the American people. It is a fact that jews control everything of value in the USA. America, needs to rid itself of all of dual national citizens in it's government. End all wars, stop spending so much money of WMD. Start taking care of it's own people first. Cut OFF Israel. $3 BILLION should go to Americans..NOT israelis.
@dewinthemorning You are right. Riots never happened before in history. They are NOT part of the human condition. The London riots are completely new. This proves his theory of a downfall *Yak yak yak* Talk about cognitive dissonance, jeez.
Human nature is violent and sometimes this erupts in a mindless orgy of destruction in the streets. Nothing new. Just uncivilized scum engaged in masturbatory street violence.
I didn't say that they are the first riots in history, or the reasons for civil unrest, that he stated, are the only reasons to cause unrest.
No, "human nature is violent" is simplistic! Material circumstances - who has property and who hasn't, and who works for whom, not to mention who is on the dole, whose parents are on the dole - determine the thinking, hence the actions of people.
'Uncivilized scum'? All of them? Why? Next you'll call them 'evil'.
@dewinthemorning They are not evil but human. We love to rationalize this mindless violence because we cannot deal with the truth. (If the violence is rational (i.e. legitimate social grievances) why rob your poor neighbour?) Only a very thin veneer of civilization separates us from barbarism. Substantial amounts of the population love a power vacuum so that they can indulge in their violent urges. Take the 20th century, the most affluent age in human history also became the bloodiest.
@Krifko "Substantial amounts of the population love a power vacuum so that they can indulge in their violent urges." Any backing for this assertion? Or is it just hot air? If you say... oh, yes you do say it - 20th century was bloody - you are greatly mistaken, or you just don't know your history, if you think that all this happened in a power vacuum!
the greatest resource is knowledge. this planet could sustain a lot more people if it wasnt run by evil leaders. we could go to the stars and live thousands of years and improve endlessly.
@2plus2make4 Which history are you referring to? A Short History of Progress by Ronald Wright and Collapse by Jared Diamond provides well documented histories of societies that collapsed for essentially the same reasons he is describing.
@rugbyguy59 He is taking an aggregate trend fro the last 50 years and extrapolating this beyond what we know about human behaviour. Economists easily explain the growth trajectory in terms of population and productivity (among more complicated models). No doubt the population will be limited by physical resources at some point but this is not likely to happen in the next few decades, but that is not true of productivity because it is related to knowledge which tends to build on itself...
@rugbyguy59 ... If he had adopted more history - say what we have learned about the Chinese, European or middle east civilisations he would see that we dont need to "adapt a society to both up and down" because that is already the case. It is only in his model that this is not the case. It is perfectly consistent for those in the middle of one of these great waves of productivity improvement to imagine everything is getting better especially if popn is also growing - this is true for them....
@rugbyguy59 ..I happen to agree on his point about social unrest - but for different reasons.
Re Diamond and Wright - With the exception of the easter Island case I dont think it is inconsistent to say that the work of both shows that human societies compete and copy each other, sometimes one society moves ahead faster while another falls back (sometimes falling apart) but that knowledge and productivity continues to build in aggregate. Nb if you like these authors you should read Durant
All we have to do is use robots to simulate a hunter-gatherer lifestyle for ourselves, with all the modern conveniences delivered at the touch of a finger on your phone, if we need them.
At 4:50 in he's talking about economic growth which isn't the same thing as population growth. Population in the U.S. would actually be shrinking if not for immigration.
I predict if Obama is reelected he will not end his second term.
Radicalization between conservatives and liberals is escalating. Better said, neocons rage against what they call 'liberals' or 'socialists' is about to reach boiling point. Society is totally divided.
And what is sad is that this rift between liberals and conservatives is totally irrelevant to the future of the country. Conservatives don't even have a clue about liberalism doctrine.
I agree on one point you are making. Obama will be the last US president. That is for sure. There will not be elections in 2012. Ether Obama will become a dictator, or someone else, but will not have any more elections.
credit downgrade because Obama is spending like a Socialist. Look at other Socialist countries! What is so hard about seeing the obvious. Can't take care of every persons problems. Can't take money from producers and give to none producers. Look at Cuba.That is a Socialist country. Many rich privileged at the top making and control all other people. Top very rich others very poor. Socialism kills entrepreneurship, and enslaves the poor. Let the Liberal spend their own money taking care of people
The Republicans won't bend on the corporate subsidies, and the Bush appointee chair of the Federal Reserve has dispensed 16 trillion dollars in zero interest stimulus loans to private banks and corporations
In addition, there was wide bipartisan support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which combined, have cost the US gov upwards of a trillion dollars
The word you're looking for is "corporatism" or "plutocracy"
@Redfingers Subsidies? You mean incentives to create jobs? There are many areas we can cut to save money. Billions are given to other countries. This is a new day and new time. We need to stop playing the role of a Rich Uncle and start taking care of ourselves, our people. Democrats resist any cuts, anywhere, except Military. First cut all Salaries of all government people. From President to janitor, 20%. Stop being the Policeman of the World. Other countries have always taken advantage of us.
You are a fucking socialist. Get out. Get the fuck out.
You're going to tell me that's an "incentive" to create jobs when it's a subsidy that only applies towards specific corporations in specific industries that give significant campaign donations to the congressmen that vote in favor of their subsidies?
That's called corporatism, you idiot.
Plus none of these corporations that receive subsidies have created jobs, they keep laying people off.
@Walhei960 I'm sorry to tell you, but America is one of the most unequal country in the world. And don't throw the "socialist" buzz word around without describing what you mean. Social-democracies are indeed the most successful countries by every objective look at society (as opposed to the contrieved "economic" perspective). Countries like Sweden, Norway or Finland. I'd recomend you "The Spirit Level" by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Picket.
@The34gl3 Unequal is not important! Equal opportunity is important. People are different. Have different ambitions, work ethic, and abilities. It is not the governments job to make us equal.That is the definition of Communism; In theory.Socialism stifles entrepreneurship, robs people of there own labor. Appoints elites to make decisions individuals should make. Steals from the productive and gives to non productive.All that leads, eventually, to chaos.Socialism only works until the money is gone
@Walhei960 I'm sorry but equality it is indeed important - read the book I just recomended. Meanwhile you were called "socialist" by Redfingers... The neoliberal/freemarket speech/theory is so eroded and contradicted by reality I'm surprised it's still around.
@The34gl3 Never in the history of mankind have men been equal! That is a fantasy. Men have different qualities. That is the trouble with systems that promise equality. The best men for the position will rise to the top. that is good for Society. Not saying that is what we have today. But that is what usually happens in any group. Leaders emerge and if they are good, honest, and moral, they become great leaders. Same with income. Some are blessed with good minds to make decisions about money.
it's all common law U.C.C code all commerce law look it up, free information free your mind ! free the WORLD !
law as we know it today is from the authorized King James Bible of the year 1611, like it or not that is the facts, we need to learn the law to fight them with there own words !
we will take control back and we will make them behave !
"Its amazing we don’t have people in the streets already"! - Thats because we're being drugged thru the air, water, Vaccines, TV, and the internet! - We are also being conditioned, like with the T S A sticking their hands down our pants, and the whole home land Sec eurity deal! - I have to break up the spelling because my comments will not get posted if YT picks up any key words they want!!
Isn't this a remake of an argument that came out about 30 years ago? The first one was better. "SO! Come on all ye childhood heroes! Won't you rise up from the pages, of your comic-books, your super-crooks, and show us all the way. Well! Make your will and testament. Won't you? Join your local government. We'll have Superman for President, and let Robin save the day." Thick... Ian Anderson
JEEZ, I sure hope everyone thanks House Speaker John Boehner and TEA PARTY Republicans for the 15% DROP in the stock market the last 3 weeks.
It COST American pensions & investors ONLY $2 TRILLION+ dollars!
President.Obama offered Boehner a $4 Trillion deficit reduction bill July 8, and Boehner "Walked Out!"
If Boehner & the WACKO Tea Party Republicans had only accepted Obama's $4 Trillion debt RE-DUCTION offer July 9, the Stock Market would now probably be UP +10%, instead of DOWN -15%.
@goog2k No, that's not the point, and if that's all you focus on, you won't get the point. The trend he's describing predates Republicans and Democrats, or Loyalists and Whigs, or Cavaliers and Roundheads. So you're politics clash with his. I imagine both of yours would clash with mine. Again, that's not the point.
some great inforamtion here thanks
samjenkinssam 1 month ago
This is a great video
ttwilkable 1 month ago
great video thanks
grisgrisy 1 month ago
i enjoyed this vid
grisgrisy 1 month ago
Do you happen to know how nebulous this discussion is?
imagineers0 1 month ago
Competent economists are not popular in governments. Governments have commercial interests, like they work for lobbyists and so on. So, competent economists, and even people competent at math, like Elizabeth Warren who resigned from chairing the SEC, are not welcomed.
One issue is the centralizing or decentralizing of governing operations of organized coercion, as in the case of the USSR dissolving into a bunch of independent jurisdictions with independent currencies- or, in contrast, the EU.
144jr144 5 months ago
Well that was rather pointless babble.
myst3rix 6 months ago
@EndTimesNow2012 I agree, but I'd like to add that it is not nuclear fusion that stands in the way of inexhaustible energy. We have the technology today to harness solar, tidal, wind, and geothermal energy sources. It has been shown that these alone, if fully utilized, have the potential to produce more than enough energy to fuel the world, but this will never happen unless we drastically re-evaluate our priorities as a society. As you so aptly put it, we need only the right leaders.
Crissix100 6 months ago
Some people have been thinking about it, check out the venus project, molecular movement, EOS, RBOSE and many more.
XarXXon 6 months ago
He's absolutely right... watch This... watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY
McBagginz 6 months ago
This guy is in phenomenal physical condition for 70 years old. His mind is still sharp too, and I think he's right.
Crissix100 6 months ago
@Crissix100 In pretty normal condition
sclapione 6 months ago
@sclapione Skin is taught, movements are smooth, voice is clear, and he's not even half gray yet. Considering that statistically he'll be dead from old age in 10 years, I think he's a little better than normal.
Crissix100 6 months ago
h.g wells wrote a book about this, and alexander korda produced a film based on that book, in the thirties - my point being many have been "thinking" about this for a lot longer than 40 or 50 years, try 100's and even 1000's,
not to disagree with his prognosis of eccelerated 'progress'
worldnative 6 months ago
@worldnative "accelerated' hehe
just to add, marx envisaged the collapse of capitalism, as well as its rise
worldnative 6 months ago
@EndTimesNow2012
I think molar power is the future.
KaitainCPS 6 months ago
@EndTimesNow2012 your right we need leaders but we need to get rid of the leaders we have right now because they are literally criminals, and their interest lie not on the citizens of america, but only on their elite brethren.
tazukii 6 months ago
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WeAreONEbigFamily 6 months ago
Our system here in america was designed to fail, you would know if you knew how the federal reserve bank operates.
AnotherNutJob 6 months ago
@AnotherNutJob By the Zionist Rothschilds no less. Order out of chaos
MrDarkTides 6 months ago
@MrDarkTides Yeah that´s why the evil rothschilds have Concordia insurance because they want the whole world to go broke.
Go on protect those american CEO´s who harnessed common greed to create their ponzy game called "financial securities market".
RegioLunar 6 months ago
wow, I am so unsubscribing, so much talk, so many intelligent cultivated individuals, so many know-everything wise-guys, and yet too inert to even provide applicable solutions. Bacteria are smarter...yep...I am angry so forgive me.
VonManavis 6 months ago
@VonManavis I agree with you. I'd add that the most horrendous thing is that these "geniuses" talk about disaster with that smirk on their faces. Only words, nothing else. Not substance. They act like those Noble Prize and Ph.D Economists who could not even predict the crisis in 2008.
salvyy 6 months ago
@EndTimesNow2012 or how about nuclear fission
jffryh 6 months ago
Wow, how prescient were those words: "It's amazing that we don't have people in the streets already."
Remember that this was filmed on July 25 before the London riots.
00robfong 6 months ago
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We are hooked on growth.... High on the idea of our own potential to control, if not surpass, the laws of nature. But we forget one important point, we are a part of nature, and thus cannot transcend it. In order for us to transcend ourselves as a species we would have to be of divine origin, sadly we are not, and cannot.....
jemmre 6 months ago
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jemmre 6 months ago
I just watched the final episode of Marcus du Sautoy's "The Code" and I was a bit disappointed to notice that du Sautoy did not mention the ultimate outcome for Geoffrey's West's work. He just made it seem that West's assertions were limited to the fact that cities have a 15% greater efficiencies.
I think this video and West's more detailed TED talk are important. I hope they get the attention they deserve!
2bsirius 6 months ago
This isn't a body without organs; it's a zombie without bowels. Society is a disembowelled zombie. Corporations need to be taxed to the max, whereas corporativist members, go tax free - both require mechanisms to be unhinged from government - perhaps made up of psychologists, psychoanalysts and the clergy.
Rhizomio 6 months ago
At 2:56 when he says we need to go "up and down" is such an ignorant statement. Just because under our CURRENT FLAWED system of thinking, the "up/down" or "boom/bust" model is the norm, doesn't mean it HAS to be that way. Jacque Fresco proves this. I don't agree with everything Jacque believes in as far as God goes, but his blueprints for society COULD work IF there weren't incredibly evil people running the world. That is the fact the utopian minded people always leave out.
ghostgate82 6 months ago
What a perfect, fairy tale cover story for killing billions...
I enjoy watching the pompous nature of man when he removes God...
DasButterBoat 6 months ago
@DasButterBoat Couldn't agree with you more. They'll all see their errors soon enough. Time is short. Their world they see in their heads will NEVER happen, because our world won't be around for that long.
ghostgate82 6 months ago
The argument that we have to keep jumping exponential curves that get smaller each time is the weakness of his argument. The economy has depletion sort of effects as well as self-building sort of effects. I am a firm believer in the principle of diminishing marginal returns, but think of artificial life. Think of probabilistic computing. Think of nuclear power. There are many technologies that open up vast capabilities, and not every development is lasts us for just 2-50 years.
zassounotsukushi 6 months ago
To understand the exponential growth he's talking about, look up "the most important video you'll ever see", it's long but worth watching.
werdnativ 6 months ago 4
I am struck by how staggeringly obvious all this should be to more or less everyone.
gefan3 6 months ago
How long will it take for these old farts to keel over?..
Frickitall 6 months ago
Society is a farce
Frickitall 6 months ago
The first thing America, needs to realize is their government is not for the American people. It is a fact that jews control everything of value in the USA. America, needs to rid itself of all of dual national citizens in it's government. End all wars, stop spending so much money of WMD. Start taking care of it's own people first. Cut OFF Israel. $3 BILLION should go to Americans..NOT israelis.
But like the gentleman says, It's too late.
PURELOVECREW 6 months ago
It will NO DOUBT happen in America. The puppet masters know this very well.
PURELOVECREW 6 months ago
All we can do is educate ourselves and try to prepare for the worst.
jdetuncq 6 months ago
Is that providential, or what? Having in mind the riots in the UK.
dewinthemorning 6 months ago
@dewinthemorning You are right. Riots never happened before in history. They are NOT part of the human condition. The London riots are completely new. This proves his theory of a downfall *Yak yak yak* Talk about cognitive dissonance, jeez.
Human nature is violent and sometimes this erupts in a mindless orgy of destruction in the streets. Nothing new. Just uncivilized scum engaged in masturbatory street violence.
Krifko 6 months ago
@Krifko (Sarcasm duly noted)
I didn't say that they are the first riots in history, or the reasons for civil unrest, that he stated, are the only reasons to cause unrest.
No, "human nature is violent" is simplistic! Material circumstances - who has property and who hasn't, and who works for whom, not to mention who is on the dole, whose parents are on the dole - determine the thinking, hence the actions of people.
'Uncivilized scum'? All of them? Why? Next you'll call them 'evil'.
dewinthemorning 6 months ago
@dewinthemorning They are not evil but human. We love to rationalize this mindless violence because we cannot deal with the truth. (If the violence is rational (i.e. legitimate social grievances) why rob your poor neighbour?) Only a very thin veneer of civilization separates us from barbarism. Substantial amounts of the population love a power vacuum so that they can indulge in their violent urges. Take the 20th century, the most affluent age in human history also became the bloodiest.
Krifko 6 months ago
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@Krifko "Substantial amounts of the population love a power vacuum so that they can indulge in their violent urges." Any backing for this assertion? Or is it just hot air? If you say... oh, yes you do say it - 20th century was bloody - you are greatly mistaken, or you just don't know your history, if you think that all this happened in a power vacuum!
dewinthemorning 6 months ago
what...what is his fear? What exactly will cause this collapse?
TheCarpecarp 6 months ago
@TheCarpecarp I think Shortage. Shortage of jobs, resources, living space.
bhriguaneja 6 months ago
As long as our Forbes500 neo feudalist financiers are trying to transform every human into capital it won´t work!
Thanx for "peasant insurances" and blatant accounting fraud called "financial securities market".
Maybe you should at least try to rethink "the Common Welfare Economy". BTW it´s not "socialism" (just for the pesty McCarthyists)....
RegioLunar 6 months ago
Enormously vacuous and banal.
Hythloday71 6 months ago 2
the greatest resource is knowledge. this planet could sustain a lot more people if it wasnt run by evil leaders. we could go to the stars and live thousands of years and improve endlessly.
labartic 6 months ago
Sounds like the Yuga's. Us being currently in the Kali yuga.
juveboy 6 months ago
I think the speaker made a couple giant assumptions but I'm not mad at his speculation. He makes a lot of great points.
Enjoyed this one Fora. Thanx!
JayJayAbels 6 months ago
I happen to disagree with the comments but am glad Fora put the video up because they were put so reasonably.
I suspect his comments would change if he read more history and had experience in the commercial world.
2plus2make4 6 months ago
@2plus2make4 Which history are you referring to? A Short History of Progress by Ronald Wright and Collapse by Jared Diamond provides well documented histories of societies that collapsed for essentially the same reasons he is describing.
rugbyguy59 6 months ago
@rugbyguy59 He is taking an aggregate trend fro the last 50 years and extrapolating this beyond what we know about human behaviour. Economists easily explain the growth trajectory in terms of population and productivity (among more complicated models). No doubt the population will be limited by physical resources at some point but this is not likely to happen in the next few decades, but that is not true of productivity because it is related to knowledge which tends to build on itself...
2plus2make4 6 months ago
@rugbyguy59 ... If he had adopted more history - say what we have learned about the Chinese, European or middle east civilisations he would see that we dont need to "adapt a society to both up and down" because that is already the case. It is only in his model that this is not the case. It is perfectly consistent for those in the middle of one of these great waves of productivity improvement to imagine everything is getting better especially if popn is also growing - this is true for them....
2plus2make4 6 months ago
@rugbyguy59 ..I happen to agree on his point about social unrest - but for different reasons.
Re Diamond and Wright - With the exception of the easter Island case I dont think it is inconsistent to say that the work of both shows that human societies compete and copy each other, sometimes one society moves ahead faster while another falls back (sometimes falling apart) but that knowledge and productivity continues to build in aggregate. Nb if you like these authors you should read Durant
2plus2make4 6 months ago
Malthus was wrong. So was Chicken Little.
I'll wait and see what happens before I implement draconian government interventions.
Maybe this guy is a conservative. Is he afraid of change?
freesk8 6 months ago
Go, Sisyphus! You're almost at the top!
riversonthemoon 6 months ago 2
who is this guy Abe fucking Lincoln?
apox2011now 6 months ago
All we have to do is use robots to simulate a hunter-gatherer lifestyle for ourselves, with all the modern conveniences delivered at the touch of a finger on your phone, if we need them.
DimitriLozovoy 6 months ago
"Is Society on the Verge of Collapse?"
BROUGHT TO YOU BY NISSAN
CRAPCANNONS 6 months ago 3
the end point eerily describes what's happening around London right now!
habibko 6 months ago
wtf the sun clearly goes around the earth. lol
AtheistKharm 6 months ago
'its amazing that we don't have people in the streets already'
dat london
HelloIAmDaniel 6 months ago 28
Indeed being Obama so devisive in the American society, I can't imagine why him wanting to go on with another term.
He should finish his present term give another candidate the chance to try to bring together both parties.
Want it or not he just seems to embody what conservatives hate.
helmfer 6 months ago
@helmfer we should elect a Mexican American next or a Muslim. make the conservatives Rage Quit out of government.
anonforuz 6 months ago
@anonforuz
Elect a gay atheist mexican.
TheVofR 6 months ago 2
Adapt or face extinction, this is what all species must do.
AngilasGuy 6 months ago
"yeah we will defiantly transfer conscience to digital form" ~0 / 1
deshaebeasley 6 months ago
humans will adapted we are very creative creatures society will change it all ways does
fallbread 6 months ago
more thoughtful, intelligent and thought provoking conversation like this...
whether i agree or whatever, it doesn't matter, as the calmness of the dialogue is a breath of fresh air in and of itself. :-)
ForSunny2 6 months ago 31
@ForSunny2 your elitism astounds me
zieben64 6 months ago
look up "The Population Bomb" on Wikipedia
At 4:50 in he's talking about economic growth which isn't the same thing as population growth. Population in the U.S. would actually be shrinking if not for immigration.
MrGreeneggsnham 6 months ago
it is to late for humanity -- weak species --
FSK1138 6 months ago
Resonance cascade!
Qtown20 6 months ago
Funniest Fora title ever.
BoStevoD 6 months ago
Time isn't going to get "shorter" when oil production peaks and/or transistor size reaches an atomic minimum
DeePhlat 6 months ago
Tune into London England, it's happening now.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 6 months ago 2
I predict if Obama is reelected he will not end his second term.
Radicalization between conservatives and liberals is escalating. Better said, neocons rage against what they call 'liberals' or 'socialists' is about to reach boiling point. Society is totally divided.
And what is sad is that this rift between liberals and conservatives is totally irrelevant to the future of the country. Conservatives don't even have a clue about liberalism doctrine.
helmfer 6 months ago
@helmfer
I agree on one point you are making. Obama will be the last US president. That is for sure. There will not be elections in 2012. Ether Obama will become a dictator, or someone else, but will not have any more elections.
slonamu 6 months ago
sounds to me that there is a small Group of Luciferic men involved in this time accelerating phenomenon
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 6 months ago
All these huge ups and owns in the economy can be fixed with re-introducing the GOLD STANDARD , and cutting Government debt.
If you're American you can vote for Ron Paul. If you're like me and you're not American, you're doomed to sit around and wait for a currency crisis.
LibertyDownUnder 6 months ago
2 old farts talking about a New Age Treadmill ?
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 6 months ago
wait till this December comes , when the budget cuts are due
frvfilms 6 months ago
credit downgrade because Obama is spending like a Socialist. Look at other Socialist countries! What is so hard about seeing the obvious. Can't take care of every persons problems. Can't take money from producers and give to none producers. Look at Cuba.That is a Socialist country. Many rich privileged at the top making and control all other people. Top very rich others very poor. Socialism kills entrepreneurship, and enslaves the poor. Let the Liberal spend their own money taking care of people
Walhei960 6 months ago
@Walhei960
The Republicans won't bend on the corporate subsidies, and the Bush appointee chair of the Federal Reserve has dispensed 16 trillion dollars in zero interest stimulus loans to private banks and corporations
In addition, there was wide bipartisan support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which combined, have cost the US gov upwards of a trillion dollars
The word you're looking for is "corporatism" or "plutocracy"
Redfingers 6 months ago
@Redfingers Subsidies? You mean incentives to create jobs? There are many areas we can cut to save money. Billions are given to other countries. This is a new day and new time. We need to stop playing the role of a Rich Uncle and start taking care of ourselves, our people. Democrats resist any cuts, anywhere, except Military. First cut all Salaries of all government people. From President to janitor, 20%. Stop being the Policeman of the World. Other countries have always taken advantage of us.
Walhei960 6 months ago
@Walhei960
Incentives to create jobs?
You are a fucking socialist. Get out. Get the fuck out.
You're going to tell me that's an "incentive" to create jobs when it's a subsidy that only applies towards specific corporations in specific industries that give significant campaign donations to the congressmen that vote in favor of their subsidies?
That's called corporatism, you idiot.
Plus none of these corporations that receive subsidies have created jobs, they keep laying people off.
Redfingers 6 months ago
@Walhei960 I'm sorry to tell you, but America is one of the most unequal country in the world. And don't throw the "socialist" buzz word around without describing what you mean. Social-democracies are indeed the most successful countries by every objective look at society (as opposed to the contrieved "economic" perspective). Countries like Sweden, Norway or Finland. I'd recomend you "The Spirit Level" by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Picket.
The34gl3 6 months ago 2
@The34gl3 Unequal is not important! Equal opportunity is important. People are different. Have different ambitions, work ethic, and abilities. It is not the governments job to make us equal.That is the definition of Communism; In theory.Socialism stifles entrepreneurship, robs people of there own labor. Appoints elites to make decisions individuals should make. Steals from the productive and gives to non productive.All that leads, eventually, to chaos.Socialism only works until the money is gone
Walhei960 6 months ago
@Walhei960 I'm sorry but equality it is indeed important - read the book I just recomended. Meanwhile you were called "socialist" by Redfingers... The neoliberal/freemarket speech/theory is so eroded and contradicted by reality I'm surprised it's still around.
The34gl3 6 months ago
@The34gl3 Never in the history of mankind have men been equal! That is a fantasy. Men have different qualities. That is the trouble with systems that promise equality. The best men for the position will rise to the top. that is good for Society. Not saying that is what we have today. But that is what usually happens in any group. Leaders emerge and if they are good, honest, and moral, they become great leaders. Same with income. Some are blessed with good minds to make decisions about money.
Walhei960 6 months ago
Is Society on the Verge of Collapse?
not if we take back our right over our security (birth certificate) and force them to make the system work for us for a change !
demented669 6 months ago
claim the right of the security of your person !
free humanity here we come love you all !
it's all common law U.C.C code all commerce law look it up, free information free your mind ! free the WORLD !
law as we know it today is from the authorized King James Bible of the year 1611, like it or not that is the facts, we need to learn the law to fight them with there own words !
we will take control back and we will make them behave !
so it is written so it shall be done !
demented669 6 months ago
"Its amazing we don’t have people in the streets already"! - Thats because we're being drugged thru the air, water, Vaccines, TV, and the internet! - We are also being conditioned, like with the T S A sticking their hands down our pants, and the whole home land Sec eurity deal! - I have to break up the spelling because my comments will not get posted if YT picks up any key words they want!!
HonestJohn60 6 months ago
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HonestJohn60 6 months ago
I like Kurzweil's future a little better
Caligula138 6 months ago
PRIVATEAYEIEYE 6 months ago
Resource Based Economy now!
AquaticApe1 6 months ago
JEEZ, I sure hope everyone thanks House Speaker John Boehner and TEA PARTY Republicans for the 15% DROP in the stock market the last 3 weeks.
It COST American pensions & investors ONLY $2 TRILLION+ dollars!
President.Obama offered Boehner a $4 Trillion deficit reduction bill July 8, and Boehner "Walked Out!"
If Boehner & the WACKO Tea Party Republicans had only accepted Obama's $4 Trillion debt RE-DUCTION offer July 9, the Stock Market would now probably be UP +10%, instead of DOWN -15%.
Duhh???
goog2k 6 months ago
Just ONE American child consumes the energy & resources of TWENTY poor Third World children.
Our Spaceship Earth's life support has been crashing since WWII.
Oceans are poisoned and over fished by much as 90%. Rain forest has dropped -25%.
CO2 ocean acidity has gone up +30%. Ocean acidification will kill CaCO3 forming coral, plankton, and shellfish by 2030.
And Int'l Predatory Corporations now OWN America - all they care about is deregulation, dodging taxes, short term profits and BIG BONUSES!
goog2k 6 months ago
The Republican/TEA PARTY Hole is getting deeper.
BUSH MADE the HOLE we're in.
With BUSH our Economy went down 8.9%.
Tax revenues to the Fed, States & local governments went DOWN 30%!
Bush LOST 7 Million jobs. Obama has helped create 2 Million jobs the last 2 years but we're still DOWN 5 Million jobs lost by BUSH!
The TEA PARTY/Republican WACKOS were just blocking the FAA which cost America 74,000 jobs & $250 Million per WEEK?
Republican/Tea Party WACKOs are crippling America to defeat Obama.
goog2k 6 months ago
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goog2k 6 months ago
@goog2k Really didn't quite get what this guy was saying, did you? (And no, it's not about either Republican or Democratic politics)
artsmith100 6 months ago
@artsmith100 The talk was about the increasing RATE of change and why growth doesn't continue in a straight line.
However, did you notice the disgustingly false propaganda "ad" calling the downgrade of America's credit "Obama's downgrade?"
That was the point!
America's CREDIT downgrade was because of Republican Speaker Boehner & TEA PARTY Wackos!
Now they're spending big corporate money trying to blame Obama.
Republican Tea Party Wackos are crippling America just to hurt Obama.
Outrageous!
goog2k 6 months ago
@goog2k No, that's not the point, and if that's all you focus on, you won't get the point. The trend he's describing predates Republicans and Democrats, or Loyalists and Whigs, or Cavaliers and Roundheads. So you're politics clash with his. I imagine both of yours would clash with mine. Again, that's not the point.
artsmith100 6 months ago
@artsmith100 What is this mysterious TREND you're talking about?
Duhh? Please tell us.
BTW, did you see the ridiculous propaganda AD before this vid? I saw it 3X already.
goog2k 6 months ago
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artsmith100 6 months ago
yes, law of entropy.
JK y'all
thisscreensucks 6 months ago