Bach Chaconne Partita No. 2 Emil Telmanyi 1/2

[SeadogDriftwood]

Fascinating. Often out of tune, but playing 3- and 4-string chords unarpeggiated? Fas-ci-na-ting.

And you can tell that Mr Telmanyi has feeling. Now if only this were better tuned!

Unless the tuning used is SUPPOSED to be something other than just intonation or equal temperment.

[terris91]

but nevertheless this is a really great recording and mr. telmanyi is/was an extremely skilled player.

[terris91]

oh yeah...its not authentic...its bullshit

[terris91]

jimmy hendrick's star spangled banner just sounded like he was really fucked up on...everything? but yeah music. good stuff;)

[BlackIsOut]

the chords sound like an organ

[grantyale]

This piece never sounded right to me until I heard Gähler's recording, using a similar bow to this. I couldn't care less how or with what they played the music - this just sounds way more natural than arpeggio.

[ottavaparallela]

On the chords, the violin sounds like an accordion !!!!!!

[cellomaan]

baaaad taste

[themusicdr]

fascinating, i had not heard of this violinist nor the bach bow - v interesting

sl perturbing sound is produced though sl like an accordian or something - i will come back and listen again

when ppl dimiss something on first hearing this indicates close mindedness

[joaopaulodoviolino]

Very interesting. There are some people in the World who can not accept anything different then they are already used. I can say that this kind of people have a big problem. They lose so many opportunities to learn. They need to label everything and everyhing that is different from what they in their small world and of their small minds can be called as freak, retards, etc... I fell so sorry about them...

[lakesidemourning]

Hm. I don't like it. Though, I just read a very convincing argument suggesting that this MAY HAVE been the way Bach intended it. It's a lovely peice...one of my favourites, actually. But this style just doesn't do it for me. Also, if everyone was so caught up on playing things as Bach intinded...there'd be no vibrato, and cleary there is.

On top of that...many of the chords are out of tune. :/

[sormu16]

@lakesidemourning

"there'd be no vibrato, and cleary there is". I have heard that nobody actually knows whether they played with vibrato or not. I find it hard to believe that they didn't, it's such a natural thing. They sang with vibrato, didn't they?

I agree that some chords are out of tune, but that is always the case on violin, even among the best.

[lakesidemourning]

@sormu16 You could be right. But from everything that I've learned, it's generally accepted that there wasn't vibrato. Or at least, not very wide vibrato. But I dunno, that's just what I learned from my teachers.

And about the chords, it's probably just not noticeable when the chords are broken since we don't hear all the notes prolonged. I didn't think about that at first.

[andrewesjames]

This is retarded, and if anyone disagrees I tell them in advance that they are also retarded. Deal with it, you retards.

[mudidopolos]

Was Albert Schweitzer in your opinion a retard? He is the man responsible for the concept of this bow. The modern curved bow, the basis of this Vega bow, was invented around 1930 by Rolph Schroeder in Kassel.

Schroeder, a free spirit, simply invented a new tool which enabled string players to play at the same time on 4 strings. He didn't attempt to re-invent a historic bow. This a useful 20th century invention and a great practicing tool for the left hand of any player.

[lakesidemourning]

Hmmm you're right. I wouldn't call this "retarted" (lol) but it deffinitely doesn't float my boat. Interesting though, and there's nothing "wrong" with it...after all. Bach DID write chords...haha.

[dxhaloxc]

its nice. but it sounds way too tentative.

[HARMONICO101]

There's nothing ethically wrong with using a "Vega bow". Play Bach any way you want. It's up to the performer.

I personally never liked this invention, because it claimed to be the bow Bach intended for his music, despite the fact that there is absolutely no historical evidence to support the existence of this bow. It has been dismissed by most Baroque specialists.

[gopic3rd]

Most? All!!

[HARMONICO101]

I don't know every Baroque specialist out there, so I can't say for certain.

[xylenz]

I have a bach bow and its fun though difficult. Its not a matter of how Bach intended it. The musician is not a servant of the composer but the primary creative entity. This is only heresy in classical music. Jimi Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner neither honored the composers intention or disrespected it. Putting the musician's intention ahead of the composer's is the key to revitalizing classical music. The bow is not "silly", its just a tool. Listen with ears not eyes.

[fuckthepain]

Actually, you make an interesting point. I'd never thought of that. But what is music first and foremost? Is it an idea in the mind or a behavior? Surely the music is in the performance. The composer just supports the performer in giving him some ideas on how to entertain his audience. Love the bow, but this performance is dead.

[mikrokosmik]

where on earth do you get a bach bow? i want one!

[commandercool069]

i like the sound it has on the chords. Its a totally stupid idea that this would be more authentic, but its a cool different instrument.

[MadnessINK]

freakin neat though. authentic or not. its different. and without it, we wouldnt have the pleasure of hearing this possibility. very neat.

[Strad015]

The bow unfortunately dosn't have the greatest sound when playing single notes, but with three and four note chords, it's outstanding! It sounds like an organ!!

[AbsoluteZ3R0]

Wow I think this actually sounds really nice, and interesting

[fancyfiddler]

wow...Bach just rolled over and died again!! this is bad!

[ellegin88]

i really want to see how this bow plays... it's very interesting...

[cello4ever]

The chords sound like an accordian! I never seen such an interesting bow before...Is it a Baroque period bow?

[scruffycritter]

It was a modern invention based on the fallacious assumption that Bach expected all of the chords to be played without rolling. Needless to say, no such such bow has ever been mentioned in historical records, while we have lots of regular surviving baroque bows. Nevertheless, I think this violinist does a good job of playing with this silly concept bow.

[tuktukpsh]

Georg Muffat for example, gave this description in his preface to Florilegium Secundum, 1698: When grasping the bow, most Germans play while pressing the hairs of the bow with the thumb as required, thus having the option of tightening the hairs or leaving them loose.