but if full national security is what china or the us wants by taking over countries... they may as well try taking over the world (wich they have economically, but still)... i mean, then you may as well have a NWO ;)
i m sorry that i accidentally removed ur remark. i get ur point. but my point of this video is that if tibet is not chinese, it will be india's or the US.
tibet existed as a country b4 ching? it is disputable that border exist then, a there were no international law to define borders. my point is that its bee so long ago that it is now irrelevant. so tibet will never be 'free' if its not china, it is some other foreign nation, atleast china intention is for def, not a aggressive one
no offence at all, I do understand your point... I do not agree with the Cultural revolution in many aspects, but I do agree some good has come out of it too (like, more equality for women, something unthinkable under the old system)... I wanted however to specify the broader implications, speaking beyond Tibet: if colonisation is the only way for security, (for any country!!!, US, Russia, whichever) then the only way is a one-world government in the end... is that a desirable one, to your mind?
do u honestly think tibet and its neighbours will be 'safer' with it 'independent' backed by US n western govs? or india for that matter, as we understand its strategic significance?
to put it in perspective, think Israel in palestine.
if one argues that israel had been a kingdom 2k yrs ago n is justified, then the New World (US/AU) belongs to asians, as far as human migration is concerned.
Well, israel being "justified" is a matter of opinion I will not comment on, but its true that the New World belongs to originally to Asians, more specifically people of the mongoloid race, yes... most of us who live here are aware of that...But I'm not really understanding how that ties in to my point... what does it have to do with national security for the world??
I have a question for you, what do you think about marijuana and drug laws in general in China. I can imagine your first reaction would be that such petty topic isn't even relevant. Well it is very relevant and lively discussed in "western world". Why do you think that is? And on a bigger question, are you really a fan of totalitarian rule? This isn't a matter of international conflicts but small things affecting day to day life of common people.
you avoided my question and tried to link an issue that is of no relevance to our topic at hand as an attempt to discredit me as by now after watching the rest of my vids, figured out that i am a fan of cannabis. bravo! on ur adhom attack. that was low.
2ndly, it is a stupid parallel you r trying to draw there, prohibition of drugs has nothing to do with totalitarian system of governance, which i am not supporting nor opposing.
and to ur question about drug laws in china, i do not live nor m i a citizen of china. i live in a democratic country, with a Parliamentary system whereby possession of drugs i.e. cannabis over a certain amount is a automatic capital punishment.
now, how is a gov's political system got anything to do with its drug policy?
i hope my answer sufficiently shows u how insincere u are in trying to win this argument, which has quite nothing to do the the subject of this vid.
I gave you my response it's above. By this question I simply tried to open more general discussion. It wasn't ad hominem argument get your terms straight, your hypothesis that I am biased "because of my personal experience" was good example of ad hominem argument. You are unnecesarily defensive. All the discussion threads above are terminated by my message, still you chose this one to respond.
And by the way, I didn't have to check the rest of your vids now. I watched them long before and I have your "Gravity vortex bong tornado hits + Oolong Tea" in my favourites. :))
so there is inequality of the distribution of wealth? thats hardly an issue thats exclusive to china, face the facts, u hav been brain-washed my the corpmedia machine.
That's funny, because you seem like the brainwashed one to me. :)) Problem of economical inequality isn't exclusive to china. There were other countries in which central economic planning had similar effect. I have personal experience with "communism" as they call it. My father was in uranium mines eleven years as a political prisoner, me and my sister couldn't study any other college than chemics because of that. Everything felt like farce, now we can breathe. That's my personal experience.
i guess u are saying that u r biased towards this issue because of your personal experience.
but bear in mind that the situation in Tibet and the one u n ur family endured was different. Fact: life expectancy, income per capital has risen dramatically, infant mortality rate has lowered as well, since 'communist' china.
when i say u r brained washed, draw similar conclusions to two separate situations (as suggested by western media).
I don't have enough information about situation in Tibet, it's rather complex matter for me to judge. But I can see symptoms of endangered culture striving for survival And I can sympathize with that . Economical statistics are other story really. Using that approach you could easily advocate colonialism
My country (Czech Republic) was also of great military importance to USSR. Then the iron curtain fell down and I am sure as hell glad for that. You are ignoring the fact that Dalailama didn't want political indipendence (until very recently). I lived under Communist totality half of my life and it's no fun, believe me.
Also, you are bringing the topic of freedom of speech to debate in which you are advocating country which has absolute control over all media including our precious internet. That doesn't seem very tactical to me. Chinese people are afraid of even mentioning certain topics in public, you don't have slightest clue what it's like to live with that kind of fear.
Gov censoring internet? happens to UK n Malaysia, i know that as fact. and i live in malaysia (which is islamic, claims the DPM) as a ethnic chinese, tell me about living under fear, look it up on youtube
the point is china is no less communistic or socialistic than tibet. certainly not today. tibetans are weatlhty, as they receive social welfare, not the best way to empower a ppl tho. tibet its like a step son, daddy china dont want ppl to say that he mistreats his stepson
I don't have any problem with the main argument in this video. My only sidenote to that is that dalailama (and Tibets government in exile for that matter) didn't want the full indipendence. I have problem however with the totalitarian apologetics you presented alongside your main argument.
Well there is an ideological fence going through many matters of todays world, you are obviously on the other side of this fence than I am. I don't see how your bias is any better then my bias though. :)) But I warn you don't let me start on Georgia, that's a topic I'm much more passionate about than Tibet. And my ancestry is half Russian so in this topic I may be actually slightly better infromed than you are.
but if full national security is what china or the us wants by taking over countries... they may as well try taking over the world (wich they have economically, but still)... i mean, then you may as well have a NWO ;)
yobreakfast 2 years ago
tibet has been part of china since b4 the ching (mongol dynasty), infact the concept of the dalai lama was invented buy kublai khan
hongster76 2 years ago
i m sorry that i accidentally removed ur remark. i get ur point. but my point of this video is that if tibet is not chinese, it will be india's or the US.
tibet existed as a country b4 ching? it is disputable that border exist then, a there were no international law to define borders. my point is that its bee so long ago that it is now irrelevant. so tibet will never be 'free' if its not china, it is some other foreign nation, atleast china intention is for def, not a aggressive one
hongster76 2 years ago
no offence at all, I do understand your point... I do not agree with the Cultural revolution in many aspects, but I do agree some good has come out of it too (like, more equality for women, something unthinkable under the old system)... I wanted however to specify the broader implications, speaking beyond Tibet: if colonisation is the only way for security, (for any country!!!, US, Russia, whichever) then the only way is a one-world government in the end... is that a desirable one, to your mind?
yobreakfast 2 years ago
ofcuz not, but the point is to keep a balance.
do u honestly think tibet and its neighbours will be 'safer' with it 'independent' backed by US n western govs? or india for that matter, as we understand its strategic significance?
to put it in perspective, think Israel in palestine.
if one argues that israel had been a kingdom 2k yrs ago n is justified, then the New World (US/AU) belongs to asians, as far as human migration is concerned.
hongster76 2 years ago
Well, israel being "justified" is a matter of opinion I will not comment on, but its true that the New World belongs to originally to Asians, more specifically people of the mongoloid race, yes... most of us who live here are aware of that...But I'm not really understanding how that ties in to my point... what does it have to do with national security for the world??
yobreakfast 2 years ago
What does a panda say when it steps on a dead ant?! lol
materialrainbow 2 years ago
I have a question for you, what do you think about marijuana and drug laws in general in China. I can imagine your first reaction would be that such petty topic isn't even relevant. Well it is very relevant and lively discussed in "western world". Why do you think that is? And on a bigger question, are you really a fan of totalitarian rule? This isn't a matter of international conflicts but small things affecting day to day life of common people.
madeye0 2 years ago
you avoided my question and tried to link an issue that is of no relevance to our topic at hand as an attempt to discredit me as by now after watching the rest of my vids, figured out that i am a fan of cannabis. bravo! on ur adhom attack. that was low.
2ndly, it is a stupid parallel you r trying to draw there, prohibition of drugs has nothing to do with totalitarian system of governance, which i am not supporting nor opposing.
hongster76 2 years ago
and to ur question about drug laws in china, i do not live nor m i a citizen of china. i live in a democratic country, with a Parliamentary system whereby possession of drugs i.e. cannabis over a certain amount is a automatic capital punishment.
now, how is a gov's political system got anything to do with its drug policy?
i hope my answer sufficiently shows u how insincere u are in trying to win this argument, which has quite nothing to do the the subject of this vid.
hongster76 2 years ago
in ur next response, unless it has relates to topic, will be omitted
hongster76 2 years ago
I gave you my response it's above. By this question I simply tried to open more general discussion. It wasn't ad hominem argument get your terms straight, your hypothesis that I am biased "because of my personal experience" was good example of ad hominem argument. You are unnecesarily defensive. All the discussion threads above are terminated by my message, still you chose this one to respond.
madeye0 2 years ago
I was pointing to lack of discussion in this matter, or any matter. Not the druglaw itself.
madeye0 2 years ago
And by the way, I didn't have to check the rest of your vids now. I watched them long before and I have your "Gravity vortex bong tornado hits + Oolong Tea" in my favourites. :))
madeye0 2 years ago
so there is inequality of the distribution of wealth? thats hardly an issue thats exclusive to china, face the facts, u hav been brain-washed my the corpmedia machine.
hongster76 2 years ago
That's funny, because you seem like the brainwashed one to me. :)) Problem of economical inequality isn't exclusive to china. There were other countries in which central economic planning had similar effect. I have personal experience with "communism" as they call it. My father was in uranium mines eleven years as a political prisoner, me and my sister couldn't study any other college than chemics because of that. Everything felt like farce, now we can breathe. That's my personal experience.
madeye0 2 years ago
now we r getting somewhere..
i guess u are saying that u r biased towards this issue because of your personal experience.
but bear in mind that the situation in Tibet and the one u n ur family endured was different. Fact: life expectancy, income per capital has risen dramatically, infant mortality rate has lowered as well, since 'communist' china.
when i say u r brained washed, draw similar conclusions to two separate situations (as suggested by western media).
hongster76 2 years ago
I don't have enough information about situation in Tibet, it's rather complex matter for me to judge. But I can see symptoms of endangered culture striving for survival And I can sympathize with that . Economical statistics are other story really. Using that approach you could easily advocate colonialism
madeye0 2 years ago
My country (Czech Republic) was also of great military importance to USSR. Then the iron curtain fell down and I am sure as hell glad for that. You are ignoring the fact that Dalailama didn't want political indipendence (until very recently). I lived under Communist totality half of my life and it's no fun, believe me.
madeye0 2 years ago
Also, you are bringing the topic of freedom of speech to debate in which you are advocating country which has absolute control over all media including our precious internet. That doesn't seem very tactical to me. Chinese people are afraid of even mentioning certain topics in public, you don't have slightest clue what it's like to live with that kind of fear.
madeye0 2 years ago
And about the socialist development.. Did you ever saw the chinese countryside? Or so called "Urban villages" in Beijing or Shenzhen?
madeye0 2 years ago
Gov censoring internet? happens to UK n Malaysia, i know that as fact. and i live in malaysia (which is islamic, claims the DPM) as a ethnic chinese, tell me about living under fear, look it up on youtube
hongster76 2 years ago
the point is china is no less communistic or socialistic than tibet. certainly not today. tibetans are weatlhty, as they receive social welfare, not the best way to empower a ppl tho. tibet its like a step son, daddy china dont want ppl to say that he mistreats his stepson
hongster76 2 years ago
would u like to rebut the argument of this vid now?
i.e. it is a matter of national security that china cannot allow tibet to go 'independent'
hongster76 2 years ago
I don't have any problem with the main argument in this video. My only sidenote to that is that dalailama (and Tibets government in exile for that matter) didn't want the full indipendence. I have problem however with the totalitarian apologetics you presented alongside your main argument.
madeye0 2 years ago
1st of all, we do not know the intentions of the exiled tibetan gov, and in no where in this vid that i implied in/explicitly otherwise.
2ndly, i feel that u r the apologetic here. i supposed u 'sided' with the georgians with regards to georgian-russia war recently? u see ur bias?
hongster76 2 years ago
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madeye0 2 years ago
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Well there is an ideological fence going through many matters of todays world, you are obviously on the other side of this fence than I am. I don't see how your bias is any better then my bias though. :)) But I warn you don't let me start on Georgia, that's a topic I'm much more passionate about than Tibet. And my ancestry is half Russian so in this topic I may be actually slightly better infromed than you are.
madeye0 2 years ago