very intriguing argument ,alexis and chavez what a dream bout ,its so even but over 15 rounds alexis was king ,chavez was great in a 12 round era ,they would definitely have to fight 2 or 3 times to get the truth,but as a human being alexis was way better ,chavez was a terrible loser and by all accounts not a very nice guy ,but its one that you just cant call , there styles would have made for a total war,probably not a better dream match up out there
Once more there's Olivares, Esacalera, Chacon, Limon, Edwards, Castillo, Mancini, Ganigan, Marcel, Noel, Costello, Watt, Ramirez, Navarette, Kobayashi, Hernandez, Riasco, and Pryor. He beat all but 2 of them and they were not bums. Chavez's overall record is superior but its also littered with a lot of no names from south of the border especially early in his career. Both fighters were dominant in their primes and in their divisions. I just believe that AA would beat JCC in their primes.
@johnanthony59 Chavez by TKO just like pryor did...the only diference, Chavez has a better chin and defense than pryor, but he dont need to use ilegal substances.... he WOULD destroy arguello with body punches, it would be like Chavez vs Rosario fight...to much for arguello to handle
@Aragorn522 you are full of shit, how can u assume something like that? you dont know shit about boxing so shut the fuck up. And you know what, im very proud that not ONE MEXICAN boxer ever beat Alexis Arguello, so take you bullshit analogy and stick it up your ass. im done.
@jrlocohtx hahaha funny, no arguments for support your pathetic claim??
Arguello was never beaten by a mexican boxer?? you remember someone called JOSE LUIS RAMIREZ?? he got ROBBED, but ALL know that he won that fight...
also, styles make figths kid, arguello was always static, brutalazing his jab and rect...thats stupid against Chavez, he would just come infront of him, bombarding arguello with heavy bodyshots....
Are u out of your mind? First, Chavez was not greater than Arguello in every way. Chavez struggled with Laporte and Lockridge and some lesser B class opponents. Frankie Randall schooled him n all he did was bitch like a spoiled brat. Arguello was a machine who's jab, height, reach, n relentlessness coupled with Chavez's willingness to trade would play right into all of Arguello's strengths. Chavez is an all time great and hall of famer but, he would have met his match in Arguello.
@jrlocohtx CHAVEZ was better than Pryor in A LOT OF WAYS, he has better chin, better defense, BETTER stamina, his bodypunches were vicious, HES considered as the BEST INFIGHTER ever, and in this fight, the range of Arguello would work against him...
Also Chavez is GREATER than arguello in any way, and ROSARIO has the same style that arguello...but only one diference, according to Ramirez, ROSARIO has a better punch...
Are u out of your mind? First, Chavez was not greater than Arguello in every way. Chavez struggled with Laporte and Lockridge and some lesser B class opponents. Frankie Randall schooled him n all he did was bitch like a spoiled brat. Arguello was a machine who's jab, height, reach, n relentlessness coupled with Chavez's willingness to trade would play right into all of Arguello's strengths. Chavez is an all time great and hall of famer but, he would have met his match in Arguello.
@emildon1 of course, Chavez struggles vs Laporte and Lockdrige...BUT HE DEFEAT THEM...AND ARGUELLO?? O YES, DEFEATED BY NOBODYS!!! some were even class C!!
randall scholl him?? so?? CHAVEZ WAS WAY PAST HIS PRIME!!
And r u shittin me?? hahaha
Arguello?? he only has his rect, NOTHING MORE, even against an old and shot olivares, WHO IS THE ONLY NAME ON HIS RECORD, he was having a lot of problems, and only his punch gave him the victory, cuz he was being OUT BOXED, and badly..
@emildon1 the problem here?? CHAVEZ HAS AN IRON CHIN, GREAT STAMINA, HES THE BEST BODY PUNCHER EVER, THE BEST INFIGHTER EVER, and he has an EXCELLENT DEFENSE...
It would be a copy of the ROSARIO VS CHAVEZ FIGHT, or the PRYOR VS ARGUELLO FIGHT...
TKO IN LATE...the only diference, CHAVEZ dont need ilegal substance for sustain the presure
Uh! I don't know what you've been smoking but, pass it over here because it must be some awesome shit! Are u going to actually have the audacity to say that Arguello's opponents were nobodies? Hmmm, lets see there's Olivares, Esacalera, Chacon, Limon, Edwards, Castillo, Mancini, Ganigan, Marcel, Noel, Costello, Watt, Ramirez, Navarette, Kobayashi, Hernandez, Riasco, and Pryor. All except 1 were champions and he defeated all but 2 of them. Looks as impressive if not more so than JCC
then why Chavez has the record of defeat more ex, or current champions for make his defenses in the 140 lbs...ONLY IN THE 140 LBS...12 champions in totall!!!
and counting his fights on the 130 and 135 lbs...damn, arguello is way behind...
but yet, again, tell me...
WHO THE FUCK WERE THOSE NOBODYS WHO DEFEAT ARGUELLO ON HIS PRIME??
u r bitching cuz Chavez had problems against LOCKDRIGE AND LAPORTE, both top fighters..
If I have to point out who the above fighters were than you know less than you claim. With all things being relative and opinions being like bellybuttons (We all have one) I believe that Arguello's superior jab, reach, and resolve coupled with Chavez's willingness to trade would play right into Arguello's style of fighting. Both suffered the bulk of their losses at the tail end of their careers but Arguello's decline was not as pronounced and sudden. He left for good because of his health.
@emildon1 I don't think Arguello's jab causes Chavez many problems. I actually think it's pretty overrated. Not very quick and paws with it too much. I also don't think a prime Chavez trades that much, he was very good defensively.
If Arguello wins, it's because of his superior stamina and toughness. Chavez' key to victory would be to back Arguello up. Chavez was very accurate and Arguello could be tagged.
Ruben Castillo debio haber sido campeon del mundo, desafortunadamente le toco pelear por el campeonato contra Salvador Sanchez, Alexis Arguello y Julio Cesar Chavez, tres de los mejores de todos los tiempos. Ni modo asi pasa a veces pero eso si de que fue un gran peleador no cabe duda.
HONOR A QUIEN HONOR MERECE QUE GRAN PELEADOR FUE TAMBIEN RUBEN CASTILLO, NO FUE CAMPEON PORQUE EL DESTINO ASI SE LO TENIA PREVISTO, PERO FUE PELEADOR DE LA TALLA DE LOS CAMPENOS DE AQUELLA EPOCA, UN SALUDO A CASTILLO DONDE ESTE
si hay una pelea que yo quisiera ver pero es imposible y no crean que es la de floyd contra manny es la de alexis arguello vs salvador sanchez esa pelea se iba a realizar pero por causas que ya sabemos no se pudo ellos si hubieran dado un buen show dentro del ring no como hoy que primero se hace circo y luego se pelea
very intriguing argument ,alexis and chavez what a dream bout ,its so even but over 15 rounds alexis was king ,chavez was great in a 12 round era ,they would definitely have to fight 2 or 3 times to get the truth,but as a human being alexis was way better ,chavez was a terrible loser and by all accounts not a very nice guy ,but its one that you just cant call , there styles would have made for a total war,probably not a better dream match up out there
chromeheart65 3 weeks ago
SALVADOR "CHAVA" SANCHEZ THE GREATEST....
TheFUTUREZHizTORY 1 month ago
Once more there's Olivares, Esacalera, Chacon, Limon, Edwards, Castillo, Mancini, Ganigan, Marcel, Noel, Costello, Watt, Ramirez, Navarette, Kobayashi, Hernandez, Riasco, and Pryor. He beat all but 2 of them and they were not bums. Chavez's overall record is superior but its also littered with a lot of no names from south of the border especially early in his career. Both fighters were dominant in their primes and in their divisions. I just believe that AA would beat JCC in their primes.
emildon1 2 months ago
If you can only imagine a dream fight with Arguello vs Chavez ...
johnanthony59 3 months ago
@johnanthony59 Chavez by TKO just like pryor did...the only diference, Chavez has a better chin and defense than pryor, but he dont need to use ilegal substances.... he WOULD destroy arguello with body punches, it would be like Chavez vs Rosario fight...to much for arguello to handle
Aragorn522 3 months ago
@Aragorn522 you are full of shit, how can u assume something like that? you dont know shit about boxing so shut the fuck up. And you know what, im very proud that not ONE MEXICAN boxer ever beat Alexis Arguello, so take you bullshit analogy and stick it up your ass. im done.
jrlocohtx 3 months ago
@jrlocohtx hahaha funny, no arguments for support your pathetic claim??
Arguello was never beaten by a mexican boxer?? you remember someone called JOSE LUIS RAMIREZ?? he got ROBBED, but ALL know that he won that fight...
also, styles make figths kid, arguello was always static, brutalazing his jab and rect...thats stupid against Chavez, he would just come infront of him, bombarding arguello with heavy bodyshots....
Aragorn522 3 months ago
Are u out of your mind? First, Chavez was not greater than Arguello in every way. Chavez struggled with Laporte and Lockridge and some lesser B class opponents. Frankie Randall schooled him n all he did was bitch like a spoiled brat. Arguello was a machine who's jab, height, reach, n relentlessness coupled with Chavez's willingness to trade would play right into all of Arguello's strengths. Chavez is an all time great and hall of famer but, he would have met his match in Arguello.
emildon1 2 months ago
@jrlocohtx CHAVEZ was better than Pryor in A LOT OF WAYS, he has better chin, better defense, BETTER stamina, his bodypunches were vicious, HES considered as the BEST INFIGHTER ever, and in this fight, the range of Arguello would work against him...
Also Chavez is GREATER than arguello in any way, and ROSARIO has the same style that arguello...but only one diference, according to Ramirez, ROSARIO has a better punch...
Aragorn522 3 months ago
Are u out of your mind? First, Chavez was not greater than Arguello in every way. Chavez struggled with Laporte and Lockridge and some lesser B class opponents. Frankie Randall schooled him n all he did was bitch like a spoiled brat. Arguello was a machine who's jab, height, reach, n relentlessness coupled with Chavez's willingness to trade would play right into all of Arguello's strengths. Chavez is an all time great and hall of famer but, he would have met his match in Arguello.
emildon1 2 months ago
@emildon1 of course, Chavez struggles vs Laporte and Lockdrige...BUT HE DEFEAT THEM...AND ARGUELLO?? O YES, DEFEATED BY NOBODYS!!! some were even class C!!
randall scholl him?? so?? CHAVEZ WAS WAY PAST HIS PRIME!!
And r u shittin me?? hahaha
Arguello?? he only has his rect, NOTHING MORE, even against an old and shot olivares, WHO IS THE ONLY NAME ON HIS RECORD, he was having a lot of problems, and only his punch gave him the victory, cuz he was being OUT BOXED, and badly..
Aragorn522 2 months ago
@emildon1 the problem here?? CHAVEZ HAS AN IRON CHIN, GREAT STAMINA, HES THE BEST BODY PUNCHER EVER, THE BEST INFIGHTER EVER, and he has an EXCELLENT DEFENSE...
It would be a copy of the ROSARIO VS CHAVEZ FIGHT, or the PRYOR VS ARGUELLO FIGHT...
TKO IN LATE...the only diference, CHAVEZ dont need ilegal substance for sustain the presure
Aragorn522 2 months ago
@emildon1 but Chavez has some problems against laporte and Lockdrige, both, ath the top of the 130 lbs at the Chavez era...
And he was defeated, when Chavez was way past his prime against randall, but, he defeat him in the rematch and won a trilogy against him...
then tell mee..WHO IS OMAR ANAYA?? OMAR ESPINOSA??JORGE REYES??VILOMAR FERNANDEZ??
BUMS, CLASS C FIGHTERS....ALL OF THEM DEFEAT ARGUELLO on his PRIME
Aragorn522 2 months ago
@jrlocohtx so you got owned
and yep i know, my english sucks
Aragorn522 3 months ago
Uh! I don't know what you've been smoking but, pass it over here because it must be some awesome shit! Are u going to actually have the audacity to say that Arguello's opponents were nobodies? Hmmm, lets see there's Olivares, Esacalera, Chacon, Limon, Edwards, Castillo, Mancini, Ganigan, Marcel, Noel, Costello, Watt, Ramirez, Navarette, Kobayashi, Hernandez, Riasco, and Pryor. All except 1 were champions and he defeated all but 2 of them. Looks as impressive if not more so than JCC
emildon1 2 months ago
@emildon1 more than JCC record?? HAHA
then why Chavez has the record of defeat more ex, or current champions for make his defenses in the 140 lbs...ONLY IN THE 140 LBS...12 champions in totall!!!
and counting his fights on the 130 and 135 lbs...damn, arguello is way behind...
but yet, again, tell me...
WHO THE FUCK WERE THOSE NOBODYS WHO DEFEAT ARGUELLO ON HIS PRIME??
u r bitching cuz Chavez had problems against LOCKDRIGE AND LAPORTE, both top fighters..
WHO WERE THOSE BUMS THAT DEFEAT ARGUELLO?
Aragorn522 2 months ago
If I have to point out who the above fighters were than you know less than you claim. With all things being relative and opinions being like bellybuttons (We all have one) I believe that Arguello's superior jab, reach, and resolve coupled with Chavez's willingness to trade would play right into Arguello's style of fighting. Both suffered the bulk of their losses at the tail end of their careers but Arguello's decline was not as pronounced and sudden. He left for good because of his health.
emildon1 2 months ago
@emildon1 I don't think Arguello's jab causes Chavez many problems. I actually think it's pretty overrated. Not very quick and paws with it too much. I also don't think a prime Chavez trades that much, he was very good defensively.
If Arguello wins, it's because of his superior stamina and toughness. Chavez' key to victory would be to back Arguello up. Chavez was very accurate and Arguello could be tagged.
Would be one hell of a fight.
sevfan1 6 days ago
Ruben Castillo debio haber sido campeon del mundo, desafortunadamente le toco pelear por el campeonato contra Salvador Sanchez, Alexis Arguello y Julio Cesar Chavez, tres de los mejores de todos los tiempos. Ni modo asi pasa a veces pero eso si de que fue un gran peleador no cabe duda.
Tijuananense4ever 4 months ago
HONOR A QUIEN HONOR MERECE QUE GRAN PELEADOR FUE TAMBIEN RUBEN CASTILLO, NO FUE CAMPEON PORQUE EL DESTINO ASI SE LO TENIA PREVISTO, PERO FUE PELEADOR DE LA TALLA DE LOS CAMPENOS DE AQUELLA EPOCA, UN SALUDO A CASTILLO DONDE ESTE
MrJvt51 6 months ago
si hay una pelea que yo quisiera ver pero es imposible y no crean que es la de floyd contra manny es la de alexis arguello vs salvador sanchez esa pelea se iba a realizar pero por causas que ya sabemos no se pudo ellos si hubieran dado un buen show dentro del ring no como hoy que primero se hace circo y luego se pelea
bofoteerick 8 months ago
I remember when Ruben used to do that weekly boxing broadcast.
BufordStone 1 year ago
asi ya muriooo, bueno los 2 stan en el cielo, exelente retador. daba sus buenos punos pero no lastimaban a alexis, y alexis ai yba hasta q lo domo.
patitochiquitoeyema 1 year ago
what a finish! Arguello que pena que estes muerto, descansa en paz campeon!
AntonioSantiago 1 year ago
not super-bantam. super-feather
Doderhultarn89 2 years ago