Triumph of the Nerds [three of three] 1/6

[KingDT2007]

you know Microsoft sucks because they had Leno as there spokesperson 

[aditya1783]

Triumph of the nerds (three of three) 3/6 is missing. Can someone please upload it?

[GeekBoy03]

Windows 95 sure did look a lot like OS/2

[ChocosoftPC]

2:17 that's my favorite part!

[SuperKittyPancake]

Very big Halo approach in the beginning.

[WayneWiblin]

lol some virus scanners now regard win95 as a virus hahaha

[mgabrysSF]

@soly- sort of Stanford - SRI was affiliated but did most of it's work for the DoDs advanced programming and AI group

[mgabrysSF]

@don't forget the xerox star - that beat all your dates, as did the Lisa and VisiOn

[rednight2476]

Home Computers with GUI based OS

Atari ST 1985

Amiga 1985

GUIs for Home Computers

GEM February 1985

GEOS 1986 (C64 & Apple II)

[kirter23]

But Bill Gates seems so nice, honest, nerdy, geeky, sweet... how could he have stolen the gooey? (spelling) or graphical user interface? 

[philacoudre]

Thanks for sharing this. I don't receive PBS in Quebec *sigh* yeah, I'm using conventional antenna, no cable tv

[OBSysteme]

somehow, I miss the slick speed of DOS ! It was good a never crashed, all you needed is learn a few basic commands and you could operate faster than it would take you to navigate pull-down menus with a mouse.

[Jarzka1990]

We watched this at chool :P

[livordie4eelam]

"we people be able to appreciate how windows 95 makes computing FASTER,EASIER AND MORE FUN"......yea right!!!!!!

[PrinceNoctisCaelum]

Xerox threw away hundreds of billions of dollars and the potential to be at the very top of the eventual personal computer industry.

Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory; how's that for a perpetual sinking feeling.

[S4MGOD]

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[ThePaleWriter]

Ha! Interesting. Xerox? Ethernet? Who knew!

[Morahman7vnNo2]

Oh Microsoft, what will you exploit next?

[tutorialconr]

@Morahman7vnNo2 Netscape...

[Morahman7vnNo2]

@tutorialconr With Internet Explorer?

[tutorialconr]

@Morahman7vnNo2 Yes. Internet explorer was copied from Netscape. I saw it on Discovery Channel and its on YouTube too. "Download : Browser Wars" thats the name.

[colemckelvie]

jay lano's a bitch

[CSIS25]

Billy Mays at the bottom right hand corner @ 1:23

[nckey42]

lol

[035577]

@CSIS25 rofl

[tutorialconr]

@CSIS25 whoa , nice observation ! :D

[Zoomer30]

I think Steve Jobs quote from Picasso sums up the early days of PCs:

"Good artists copy, great artists steal"

Everyone was robbing ideas from everyone. Apple took the GUI from PARC, Microsoft took the GUI from Apple. The clone makers hacked the ROM BIOS so they could make IBM PCs, etc....

[Solyahoff]

To be fair, GUI and mouse creation have nothing to do with Xerox PARC; it was invented before at ARC in Stanford University

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[sancombru]

And the whole 3D look given to ALL the objects (the overall "Look"). True, Apple DID rip-off the gui from Xerox, I don't dispute that. What I'm saying is that Microsoft didn't spend any resource on any actual innovations, they just copied the look & feel of other interfaces when these became popular (namely Apple and NeXT and now Apple again) and tried to take all the credit just to sell more while others had teams of engineers, graphics designers and psicologists actually creating things.

[sancombru]

Basically, what I'm saying is that MicroSoft doesn't deserve the success they have because it was obtained dishonestly.

The comparison to GNU/Linux is somewhat pointless as it has no interface of it's own. Yo can use X Windows with Motif, K Desktop Environment, GNOME, etc. It makes much more sence to compare the interfaces of the aforementioned systems to these.

[nchristy08]

X has it's own look'n'feel, but it's wierd. If you know about xmessage or Emacs(under X), you know what i'm talking about.

Linux is too underground to appear in a documentary made for the general public, but that's what makes me use it(the fact that i'm not following the sheep herd, i prefer the GNU Hurd(s)).

[sancombru]

No it doesn't. X Windows was first bundled with the Atena libs which gave apps a certain look and now mwm. But these are just GUI libs that came with the source code. Actually any app can have any look and feel their developers choose.

Linux was still underground like 8 years ago. now it's pretty much mainstream now (although I haven't seen it in any documentary either I'll give you that, but Linus Torvalds did appear on CNN talking about Linux and how fans don't throw their panties at him).

[nchristy08]

I was talking about the output from xmessage, or the look of the GTK-less version of Emacs, that's in my opinion how a raw X11 aplication looks.

There are 2 documentaries about Linux and FOSS, one of them is Revolution OS and the other The Linux Code.

I know about Linus's aparition on television, but mainstream and uderground tend to be the same thing in the information era because anyone can have access to any information.

[jlawton22]

@sancombru They did take the credit and they did sell more, looks like they win in the end :) why do the hard work when you can let other people do it for you.

[LegoLoverFilms]

@sancombru Apple did copy Xerox PARC, but Apple's design was different from Xerox PARC's, while Microsoft nearly exactly copied Apple. Plus PARC got 100,000 AAPL shares.

[vorjay]

@LegoLoverFilms what exactly does that mean. My stealing is better than your stealing?

[LegoLoverFilms]

@vorjay What I mean is, he says Apple copied Xerox PARC. They did copy PARC, but in return PARC got 100,00 AAPL (Apple's stock exchange name) shares.

[vorjay]

@LegoLoverFilms Grasping.

[Imprezaman555]

not entirely accurate, 95 was the most advanced and user friendlym also, the gui wasnt from apple of ms, it was from xerox, and it doesnt really matter that the gui wasnt invented by ms, because it was ms that came out with the better one in the end.

[sancombru]

Imprezaman555, your assesment is inacurate as well. The interface for Windows 95 WAS copied. This time from NEXTSTEP (yes, that's the correct spelling), yet another Steve Jobs company.

[Imprezaman555]

not necessarily, how was 95 copied? you dont mention any features that were unique to nextstep that later were seen in 95 except maybe showing the contents of windows while dragging, and that would have been thought of by that time anyway. in the end i dont think nextstep, windows, or the mac OS really are very good in comparison

[Imprezaman555]

to linux. and if anyone copied it was apple, the gui, xerox, the kernel in OSX, unix, safari is almost exactly the same as firefox (especially in speed which is annoying because both are very slow) and there are more but it is 11:00 at night and i want to go to sleep.

[sancombru]

O.K. How about the overall 3D look of most widgets and some of the artwork (folders come to mind)? Or windows moving content istead of jus outline (can't remember well if it was 95 of 98, but it was one of those).

[Imprezaman555]

the folders still look very differeent and... hold on a second, it sounds abit like you are desperate! picking out little things like the fact that widgets do the same thing in the same way, all modern wall clocks do the same thing in the same way but they don't copy each other!

[sancombru]

Hardly, remember that we're talking about interfaces. The "little" things I mentioned contribute to the overall look'n'feel. Before NeXT came out with this system they were'nt thought of.

But if you like more unique things how about DO (NEXTSTEP) and COM (Windows).

[redm0zzy]

Thanks so much for posting this series... 5 stars

[dbalexamiga]

Hey, Thanks again for uploading these! :-) Alex.

[Japeemann]

GREAT!! Finally three of three! Wiiiii!