@purple00k - I gave the message this Sabbath going over the verses I read off in this video. I'm working on posting it now. Let me know what you think. :)
@kingdomfocus - In Leviticus 23:3 God tells us through the prophet Moses that the Sabbath is also a holy convocation. The term convocation mean a large formal assembly, especially one specifically convened. We are to gather for worship and rest on the Sabbath.
Now, please find me a scripture where we are commanded to have a convocation on Sunday the first day of the week. The disciples broke bread every day (Acts 2:46), so that is not sufficient evidence for the doctrine of Sunday keeping.
@Ruemint13, haha, your pretty funny but keep on mind that the pork products will give you more than the shits. You risk heart disease and trichinosis. Look that one up if you like. I personally know people who suffer miserably from "fibromyalgia" but the symptoms are exactly the same as trichinosis. Once the worms are inside you and multiplying, there is nothing that can be done but to pray that they stay in the muscles and joint rather then making their way to your heart or brain.
hey man just want you to know, I'm a seventh day adventist and I really appreciate what you said. There's a lot of crazy stuff about us out there. I think it's wise for any person looking into any type of "group" or "religion" or whatever to pick up a book like the 27+1 fundamentals and get it straight from the horse's mouth to find out what they believe. Saves us from having a lot of strange rumours being passed around.
@Rawnblade77 - That's true . . . A guy at work passed around "The Spirit Behind the Church." That video is full of half-truths, but the guy wouldn't believe anything I said as though a video couldn't be wrong.
I've been an SDA all my life but I was inspired by your testimony and genuine heart for God and truth. I believe the Lord will use you in a mighty way!
@curesoon I'm praying for you all the way in London, ENGLAND. A friend of mine from Canada sent me your video this morning, so just know that your influence is worldwide, I'm about to send your link to friends in the Caribbean who I know will be blessed by your testimony!!
Yes . They share in the gospel of grace. amazing really. When Jesus was harassed by the Canaanite woman math15:24 "I`m sent to the house of Israel not for you". He was focused on fulfilling the law and the prophets. Not until after his death. We realize what a shift it was to include all Gentiles in the new era of grace. This Grace was by revelation to primarily Paul.. by direct revelation from God. He was the most unlikely candidate after just prior overseeing the stoning of Steven.
Hey curesoon, we have covered a bit of ground? I will answer you questions but could you state your view on: the Mystery of Paul, and in fact were you aware of it? And how the jews and Gentiles both are under grace since christs death. However the Jews were entrusted with gods law and the Gentiles weren't.
Then I will understand where you are at a little more. cheers Mate
@damted - Anyway . . . Have you ever noticed that it takes complex and elaborate reasons to prop up false beliefs? The truth is usually a simple thing. There are few things more simple than God said remeber the Sabbath because He wanted us to do just that. By the blood of Christ, all peoples of the world have the chance to be joint-heirs with the patriarchs and prophets of God.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
I might add if we read the writings of paul, we can see the importance of realising his ministry was to the Gentiles not the Jews who had the law. It could open up understanding into the law and its relationship to us Gentiles.
THE MYSTERY. Have you ever taken notice of the mystery as described by paul?
@damted - The mystery is that God grafted the Gentiles into the house of Israel. See in the verse you mentioned: "That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" (Ephesians 3:6) Gentiles are not separate from Israel, but they are "fellow-heirs."
Another good chapter in the Bible to prove this belief is Romans 11.
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Romans 2:28-29)
The Sabbath was created as a day of the week in the creation story. To say it no longer exist is to say there is now only 6 days of the week. We as humans cannot uncreate what God has made...for our benefit I might add. I'm of a mind to believe that we as humans, Adventist as well, will try to rationalize our way out of any good thing. Its one of the effects of sin. I pray that God give all of us a clear heart and mind as we seek after Him.
To interpret the word you need to know who is being talked to. You are a Gentile not a Circumcised Jew.For the first time equal rights to Salvation for both. Gal 3:24,25 the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come , we are no longer under the supervision of the law. God bless on your Journey curesoon.
@damted - You keep trying to make a difference between Jews and Gentiles, but that a direct violation of the Gospel. "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:11-13)
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Galatians 3:28-29)
"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." (Colossians 3:11)
@damted - How could you say that when the Bible says in Jeremiah that God will make the New Covenant with the house of Israel: "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." (Jeremiah 31:33)
@curesoon Yes, the rest we have is every day in christ`s finished work. Thank you Lord. no more works. The sabbath was the shadow of things to come. Adam gave up his humanity in eden. our future is a spiritual being, where time and days are of no consequence.
@damted - That's true . . . We should rest in the work done by Christ on the Cross. As God rested on the seventh day after he made all things, so also, Jesus rested on the seventh day in the grave after He had finished His work of Redemption. He is ever our example, and so we refrain from work on God's Holy Day praising Him for giving us Salvation as a free gift of love.
There is no provision for a new covenant prophet in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. SDA`s want a Law-Grace relationship ,this is not scriptural. Its called an adulterous relationship' The power of the law is to condemn, it has no saving power.A seventh day sabbath keeper wants shove an old covenant law into the Grace covenant made with the Jews and the Gentiles who by the way never received the law to start with.
Once we try to keep a law we come under its condemnation!
@damted - You said, "There is no provision for a prophet in the Gospel." Could you give me the scripture for that? I have two scriptures that clearly imply that God gave the church prophets: And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (1 Corinthians 12:28) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. (1 Corinthians 14:29)
@curesoon Not an old testament prophet for Christ came once and for all to fulfill the law and the Prophets.
Prophets tongues etc are fruits of the spirit and we are told to expect them in our congregation. Not raise them up to compliment the word of god, we reserve that for our Lord and savior. The rightly dividing word of God is by the holy spirit not E.G.W.
@damted - The Prophets of the Old Testament were moved by the same Spirit. Oh, and you're right, we are supposed to "rightly dividing word of God is by the holy spirit not E.G.W." The Bible says, "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." (1 Corinthians 14:32) And also, "To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because no light is in them." (Isaiah 8:20)
@curesoon The thing is, the bible isn`t a smorgasbord of texts for us to cherry pick , thats how we have got the various sects.
An instruction to noah isnt an instruction to us. It was for Noah. Paul is the apostle of Grace to the gentiles. In the Past the Gentiles could only be saved by becoming a proselyte Jew for example. The rules for god relating to man changed after Christs death as the whole mosaic law was nailed to the cross. Now the Jews and Gentile have Grace if they believe J3:16
@damted - The New Testament (or Covenant) is about God helping us keep His law. Yes, the Mosaic Law was nailed to the Cross, but that does not include the Ten Commandments in which is recorded the Sabbath Commandment. Look at the following verse:
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jeremiah 31:31-33)
@curesoon Actually it does, the whole system of law and sacrifice with its curses and blessings cant be separated. Not only that but it was only given to the 12 tribes of Judah the Jews in a particular point in time with a time limit for its usefulness.
Do you recognize you are a Gentile or a spiritual Jew?
. We are not adam and eve anymore. They gave up their humanity when they sinned. Mans future is different now, its a spiritual body not flesh and blood. Thats why its the rest we have in Christ TODAY that is referred to in Hebrews 4. By the way Hebrews was written by Paul because they werent separating christs salvation and the old covenant law. Ironic eh.
At any rate, I can see we are not going to agree, and being that I have some work to finish, I must leave this conversation here in a stalemate. May God bless you with eyes that see.
@damted - So you can steal now? What about murder? Adultery? Can we have other gods now?
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (Romans 8:6)
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
We should not be walking after the flesh. Sin is fleshly or what is called carnal, but the Law of God is spiritual. We should be walking according to God's wisdom which is given within His Word or Law.
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
@damted - You also said we want "a Law-Grace relationship." I would actually say we want a Grace-Law relationship with God: We have His grace, and that causes us to desire to keep His Law. At any rate, it's actually a scriptural. Like the old song says, "There's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey." This verse says it best: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12)
@damted - Right . . . And Gods grace then helps us keep His Law.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
@damted - It is true that the Law shows us our sin, but it also instructs us in how we should behave. The Bible says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
You are right about one thing: the Law has no power to save us. - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (Galatians 3:21)
@damted - "Once we try to keep a law we come under its condemnation?" This is backwards thinking! It is sin that brings condemnation: "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16) "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
The Law is among the many gifts of God. It is our sin that make the Law death to us.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans 7:9-12)
So you see, the Law was meant to give life, but our sin causes death.
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"While we are to be in harmony with God's law, we are not saved by the works of the law, yet we cannot be saved without obedience. The law is the standard by which character is measured. But we cannot possibly keep the commandments of God without the regenerating grace of Christ. Jesus alone can cleanse us from all sin. He does not save us by law, neither will 96He save us in disobedience to law." - Ellen G. White (Faith and Works pg. 95)
“The powers of darkness gather about the soul and shut Jesus from our sight, and at times we can only wait in sorrow and amazement until the cloud passes over. These seasons are sometimes terrible. Hope seems to fail, and despair seizes upon us. In these dreadful hours we must learn to trust, to depend solely upon the merits of the atonement, and in all our helpless unworthiness cast ourselves upon the merits of the crucified and risen Saviour. We shall never perish while we do this—never!
When light shines on our pathway, it is no great thing to be strong in the strength of grace. But to wait patiently in hope when clouds envelop us and all is dark requires faith and submission which causes our will to be swallowed up in the will of God. We are too quickly discouraged, and earnestly cry for the trial to be removed from us, when we should plead for patience to endure and grace to overcome.”—Ellen G. White, God’s Amazing Grace, p. 114
You want to ban me from your channel because you are a DICTATOR! You silence free speech and you want to block me because you cannot answer my questions and because you want to control the conversation! You are nothing more than a dictator!
@FatTonyAU I just did a search of your comments and it seems you are more interested in generating a flamewar. I'm up for open and fair discussion but please don't copy and paste the same comments on every SDA video you can find. I'm a happy sev, happy with my beliefs, happy with the sabbath and its position at the end of the world (this seems to be a sticking point for you). No the sabbath does not save you (faith & grace my friend) it is a beautiful gift. We should meet and chat. (Im in AU)
@curesoon You falsely accused my heart,typical self-righteous Pharisee!
You are under the LAW/LEGALISM! EGW has deceived you when she was inspired by demons to write her books! She had led you right into the same "Bewitched" gospel that Paul rebuked in Gal 3.
You now trust in your Sabbath works to save you!You have rejected Jesus as your 100% complete and sole Saviour!
Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
@indimedia Whenever I have coffee with an Adventist, the only froth I see is on the Adventists mouth, as they get defensive, angry, hateful, abusive and claim I am a now a follower of Satan. The same spirit that did it to the Pharisee's, do it to Adventists as well.
I don't mind meeting you though. No problems at all. I will be in Sydney all week this week. What time and what place you want to meet up?
@indimedia You seem like a nice person, very different from the hateful, self-righteous, nasty, condescending, judgmental, condemning Adventists that I am used to meeting.
I was a non-christian for 30 years and used to be a drug dealer and managed whore houses. And then one day I came to Christ and fell in love with Him and He is now my Lord, Saviour and best friend.
And let me tell you the truth, I have never met more hateful and vicious people in my life until I became a member of the SDA!
@FatTonyAU Yes I've met some of those same people (I think there is some in every group), most of the one's I knew growing up are no longer in the church. I'm glad you have met Christ and love him, he is the best friend to have. I'll be even happier to have this conversation in heaven with you where we will know for sure which one of us got the theology right. If I'm the one wrong - so be it, all I know is that I will be there because I have faith and Jesus is my best friend also.
@curesoon I have a question for you. I am asking you are not too frightened to answer it and don't sidestep it and try to run and hide from this question.
What did EGW teach about the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast, and who will get it, and WHY will they get the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast?
If you are unable to answer that question, then go ask your SDA Pastor to answer it for you, and then come back here and tell everyone the answer.
@indimedia - He wouldn't listen to you. He would only ask the same questions over and over even after you answered them. He's not interested in what we believe, he just wants to drive me to the point of madness so he can say, "Look! I told you those Adventist are bad!" :D
Once the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the beast is enforced in the future, what will Sunday Keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus need to do to be saved and to avoid the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the Beast? Will they need to perform Sabbath works to be saved?
Your answer will PROVE that you teach that Sabbath works will be essential for Christians to perform in the end times to be saved and that faith in Jesus is NOT enough to save us, we also need Sabbath works!
@curesoon Are you an member of the SDA or NOT? Y/N?
If Yes, then surely you agree with EGW? You are not calling her a liar are you? If so, then do as I did and resign your SDA membership, because EGW taught that SUNDAY LAWS will be the Mark of the Beast and what she taught was that any Christian who attends Church on Sundays and not Sabbath will be rejected by God, lost, and will receive the wrath of God and final plagues! According to EGW, their faith in Jesus is not enough to save them!
@FatTonyAU - Do you really have faith in Jesus if you ignore his commandments?
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
@FatTonyAU - The questions look real familiar. I guess if you can't come up with anything new, I'll have to block you. At any rate, I'll answer them all one more time. No, I'm not perfect yet, but I trust (have faith) that God will complete the work He started in me. Thus before all is finished, I shall be perfectly obedient.
@curesoon Ok, so you just admitted that you are a 10 Commandment and law breaker. So that means you admitted to being disobedient to God because you break the 10 Commandments and the Law.
So now do you also admit that you are a Sabbath breaker seeing you admitted that you are a sinner who breaks the 10 Commandments and the Law?
@FatTonyAU - We've already been through this . . . I wouldn't call myself a Sabbath breaker because I refrain from work on the seventh day, but I would not say I'm perfect either.
I am a work in progress. With faith I look to God to complete the work He has started in me. Thus before all is finished, I shall be perfectly obedient.
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" (Philippians 1:6)
@curesoon The Sabbath commandment also commands you to work 6 days a week. Do you work 6 days a week? Yes or No?
And you just admitted to being a sinner and 10 Commandment breaker, so that means you are a Sabbath breaker. Because to be classified to be a perfect sabbath keeper would mean you claim to be a perfect and sinless 10 Commandment keeper, because remember, James said, if you stumble in one point, which you admit to doing, you are guilty of breaking the WHOLE 10 Commandments!!!
@FatTonyAU - Now I give this last warning: These pages are for discussion, but you have only asked the same question over and over without ever responding to any of mine. That is not discussion! I will block you if you can't play well with others. :)
@curesoon Firstly, thank you for your threats! That helps me expose the evil seed in the Adventist heart. Ever since I resigned my SDA membership, I have been threatened by Adventists and you threatening me just reassures me that I am right about the evil in the SDA and Adventists.
Firstly, I am a Sabbath keeper, but unlike you, I do not worship on Saturdays to be saved, and I do not trust in my Sabbath works to save me, like you do!
The Mark will be received by those who rely on LEGALISM!
@FatTonyAU - "The evil seed in the Adventist heart?!?!?" Look into our history! Do you find people being burned at stake by Adventist? How about a inquisition or two? I don't think so!
Besides, the reason I'm teetering on the edge of blocking you is because you never answer anyone else's questions, but you just keep on saying the same lie. I starting to believe you're a student of Vladimir Lenin who said: "A lie told often enough becomes truth."
@FatTonyAU I am a SDA and the issue in the Mark of the Beast is the same issue that is throughout the entire bible-righteous by faith versus righteous by works. Exodus 31:13 Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. The sabbath is how the law is kept-resting In Christ. Keeping the Sabbath to be saved or choosing your own day is legalism
@eherb48 Cain and able are a good example. They both brought an offering to God in worship. Able relied on God's way a lamb. Cain relied on the works of his hands-produce. God alone has the authority to change the Sabbath, not man. To rest in Christ and rely wholly on Him is what the Sabbath Stands for. Sunday stands for the ressurection. How can you say you are resting in Christ if you are keeping your own day, your own way?
@FatTonyAU I'd like to respond. The third angels message at the end of time (Rev 14:12) is to keep the commandments and have faith in Jesus. What this means is you are saved through faith in Jesus, by his grace, but the angel ALSO includes a call for people to find authentic christianity, a call to keep the commandments a call to find what is actually in the bible and not human edicts. EGW is not the bible, SDA's don't believe that, EGW did not believe that. We believe faith in Jesus IS enough.
What will people need to do in the end to avoid the Mark of the Beast and to avoid being lost?
Will having faith in Jesus be enough? OR do you need to do something else to be saved and to avoid the Sunday Laws Mark of the Beast?
(Their answers will prove that they don't believe a Christian can be saved by faith and grace, and that Sabbath works are also needed to be saved in the end of times and that Sabbath works are needed to avoid the Sunday Laws Mark of the Beast)
@FatTonyAU - Still beating the same tired old drum? :D
I'll ask you one more time . . . What do you believe the mark of the beast is? You won't answer, and I'll roll my eyes. Then I'll try to explain to you that we believe in salvation through grace alone, but you won't hear it. After that, you'll ask this question all over again . . . Isn't this fun?!?! . . . And extremely pointless!
@FatTonyAU - Here is proof that what you are saying is not what true Adventist actually believe: "Our own works can never purchase salvation." - A Call To Stand Apart, p. 17.2 (EGW)
You are deluded,deceived and a false christian and a false teacher.You claim devout Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus will be rejected by God and lost and will receive a Mark of the Beast. You should be ashamed of yourself for teaching such evil things.How dare you attack God's children...people who love Jesus and have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. You and SDA's remind me of the Pharisee's, they too were vicious and they too condemned the children of God!
I never said true Christians who love Jesus will be lost. In fact, such Christians as that will see the holy Sabbath for the blessing that it is and begin to keep it rather than take the mark of the beast. However, it really doesn't matter what I answer. You have your mind made up, and there's nothing I can ever say to change it. May God touch your heart. This I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen!
@curesoon You are so confused you keep contradicting yourself and talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Now stop side stepping my question and give me a direct and honest answer because so far you have been evasive and deceptive. And stop running away from my question by making false excuses. I always find that in Adventists, they are so scared off my questions that they run and hide from them.
Can Sunday Keeping Christians who have faith in Jesus,be saved in the end and avoid the Mark?
Scared off by your questions? Don't make me laugh!
I didn't sidestep your question. I asked you if anyone who takes the mark of the beast can be saved. You said no. Therefore, if, as Mrs. White says, Sunday keeping is the mark of the beast, then those who, when the mark is issued, still keep Sunday, would be lost. No sidestepping, and you agree with me. You just won't admit it.
#3 I did not claim to be a perfect law keeper, but Jesus was, and I want to be like him.
#4 I don't see how Rev 22:14 couldn't mean what it says.
#5 If you are save, you wouldn't want to stop keeping the Sabbath. If you are saved, you would want to follow Jesus in obedience to his holy law. If you were saved, you would delight in the Sabbath.
My turn! - Only one question: If you say we should keep Sunday holy, aren't you doing the same thing only with a different day in mind?
@FatTonyAU - I was raised Southern Baptist . . . I didn't know anything about the Sabbath. At any rate, that is why we have to have the blood of Christ placed upon our hearts. It's like when the children of Israel were protected from the death angel during the last plague: they had to have the lamb's blood upon their door posts and lintels. We don't have to be perfect to come to God, but through the work of the Holy Spirit, we should desire to become perfect. Through Christ, we can be.
@curesoon There is your problem....you were raised a Southern Baptist and not as a Christian and follower of Jesus Christ.
That's the problem with being born into and raised by men created religious denominational organizations, they follow their own path before they follow Jesus' path.
As for myself, I follow Jesus and the 66 books of Scripture, and I am not a member of any men created religious denominational organizations like you are. I only follow Bible and Jesus, nothing else!
@curesoon A "Southern Baptist" is lost unless they are born again Christian. Not all "Southern Baptists" are saved and not all "Southern Baptists" are born again. They are religious, nothing more.
Are you claiming that every single person who is born a "Southern Baptist" is automatically saved?
@FatTonyAU - No, I didn't mean that I was automatically a Baptist. I was taught that we are saved through grace, and I excepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was young. Then later I learned about God's holy Sabbath, and wanted to keep the day like Jesus and the other people in the Bible. I never gave up the Baptist teaching of saved through grace, because I didn't have to because it is the same thing that the Adventist church teaches.
@curesoon If I have faith in Jesus, yet attend Church on Sundays and not Saturdays(Sabbath), can I still be saved by faith and grace alone, and can I still avoid the coming Mark of the Beast (Sunday Laws)?
Yes or No?
Adventists will always answer NO, because they believe EGW who taught that Sunday keeping Christians will be lost! So EGW and SDA reject grace and teach that salvation in the end times is based on Sabbath works, and if a person doesn't perform Sabbath works they will be lost!
@FatTonyAU tony bolony,please stop insulting Christians and doing the very things you are accusing sda's of doing.you yourself admittedly keep the Sabbath and yet rage against others who also keep it .my question to you(not that you will even attempt to answer it ) is ,do you believe you are doing God's will by blasting Sabbath keepers and having a prideful ,presumptuous attitude?
@charliebuck1000 If you permanently stopped attending Church Service on Sabbath, can you still be saved in the end of times by faith and grace alone and still avoid the coming EGW/SDA Sunday Laws (Mark of the Beast)?
Just give me a direct and honest answer.
Your answer will prove that you rely on your Sabbath WORKS to be saved and that you have rejected salvation by faith and grace alone!
Now, since your not really interested in learning anything of what I believe, and I can clearly see that you have nothing but contempt for me and the church I attend, why not find someone else to harass?
@FatTonyAU - By the way, if they really love God, have faith in Jesus, and call Him Lord and Savior, wouldn't they keep His commandments? The Sabbath is in the midst of the ten.
(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
About time someone says it plain and simple, keep up the good work bro. Good bless
mudpuppy318 5 months ago
@mudpuppy318 - When you're simple like me, that the only way you can say it. :D Thanks for the encouragement and may God bless you!
curesoon 5 months ago
Very good!
Awake4Truth 5 months ago
@Awake4Truth - Thanks! God bless!
curesoon 5 months ago
Okay
purple00k 6 months ago
Yeah
purple00k 6 months ago
@purple00k - I gave the message this Sabbath going over the verses I read off in this video. I'm working on posting it now. Let me know what you think. :)
curesoon 6 months ago
There is still a lot more about the Bible that u need to know. It's good you're on the right path though and have found yourself in the right chr.
purple00k 6 months ago
@purple00k - I'd say that's true of ALL of us. :) God bless!
curesoon 6 months ago
LOL Very awesome video...cutting to the heart of the matter for sure! Show me in the Bible! Love it!
OurSword 7 months ago
@OurSword - Thanks! God bless. :)
curesoon 7 months ago
Well done!
stephaniajc 7 months ago
@stephaniajc - Thank you. :)
curesoon 7 months ago
Thanks dude for this video. You don't have to apologise. Very well said, if I can say it that way. You hit the nail.
pookito777 9 months ago in playlist SDA
@pookito777 - Thank you, friend.
curesoon 9 months ago
@claudiamariethompson - It sounds interesting. Do you mind sending the address to me? Thanks!
curesoon 9 months ago
@claudiamariethompson :D
curesoon 9 months ago
Yes the Sabbath is a day of rest. It wasn't a day to go to synagogue or the Temple.
The scripture said that the disciples met on the first day of the week for breaking of bread(communion).
kingdomfocus 10 months ago
@kingdomfocus - In Leviticus 23:3 God tells us through the prophet Moses that the Sabbath is also a holy convocation. The term convocation mean a large formal assembly, especially one specifically convened. We are to gather for worship and rest on the Sabbath.
Now, please find me a scripture where we are commanded to have a convocation on Sunday the first day of the week. The disciples broke bread every day (Acts 2:46), so that is not sufficient evidence for the doctrine of Sunday keeping.
curesoon 10 months ago
Awesome Bro - And dont apologise - the rambling made it kind of funny, at the same time we learned a new way to present it. THANKS!!
lexscripta1 10 months ago
@lexscripta1 - I'm glad I could help! :)
curesoon 10 months ago
I really enjoyed this video and will watch your other ones when I have time.
k2katster 10 months ago
@k2katster - Thanks . . . Let me know what you think of the rest. I'll try to answer any questions you might have. :)
curesoon 10 months ago
@Ruemint13, haha, your pretty funny but keep on mind that the pork products will give you more than the shits. You risk heart disease and trichinosis. Look that one up if you like. I personally know people who suffer miserably from "fibromyalgia" but the symptoms are exactly the same as trichinosis. Once the worms are inside you and multiplying, there is nothing that can be done but to pray that they stay in the muscles and joint rather then making their way to your heart or brain.
PS- I
k2katster 10 months ago
And I became a Baptist because fried chick and Textured Vegetable Protein gave me the shits but Steak Ham and Baloney don't ! LOL
Ruemint13 10 months ago
@Ruemint13 - Boy, something must be going around.
curesoon 10 months ago
I became an Adventist because bacon gave me the shits but stripples don't.
scubajenjen 10 months ago
@scubajenjen - Hmmmm . . . I suppose that's a reason, but I hope you've learned better reasons since you've joined. :D
curesoon 10 months ago
hey man just want you to know, I'm a seventh day adventist and I really appreciate what you said. There's a lot of crazy stuff about us out there. I think it's wise for any person looking into any type of "group" or "religion" or whatever to pick up a book like the 27+1 fundamentals and get it straight from the horse's mouth to find out what they believe. Saves us from having a lot of strange rumours being passed around.
Rawnblade77 10 months ago
@Rawnblade77 - That's true . . . A guy at work passed around "The Spirit Behind the Church." That video is full of half-truths, but the guy wouldn't believe anything I said as though a video couldn't be wrong.
curesoon 10 months ago
Great testimony!
ptsavedbyblood 10 months ago
@ptsavedbyblood - Thanks! :)
curesoon 10 months ago
I've been an SDA all my life but I was inspired by your testimony and genuine heart for God and truth. I believe the Lord will use you in a mighty way!
mozart77 10 months ago
@mozart77 - Wow! Thanks, but you know I couldn't have done anything without His help. :)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon I'm praying for you all the way in London, ENGLAND. A friend of mine from Canada sent me your video this morning, so just know that your influence is worldwide, I'm about to send your link to friends in the Caribbean who I know will be blessed by your testimony!!
mozart77 10 months ago
@mozart77 - Thanks! I need all the prayer I can get. :)
curesoon 10 months ago
way to go brother! God bless you
TheCoolgirl87 10 months ago
@TheCoolgirl87 - Thanks! :)
curesoon 10 months ago
Actually It was just the intro and prayer, but good on ya.
damted 10 months ago
@damted - :D
curesoon 10 months ago
Hey seen u preach, way to go Curesoon
damted 10 months ago
@damted - Thanks . . . You liked it? What message?
curesoon 10 months ago
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damted 10 months ago
We aren't joint Heirs with them. The Jews were under Law not Grace. The Jews after Christ were joint-heirs with the Gentiles in grace however.
damted 10 months ago
Yes . They share in the gospel of grace. amazing really. When Jesus was harassed by the Canaanite woman math15:24 "I`m sent to the house of Israel not for you". He was focused on fulfilling the law and the prophets. Not until after his death. We realize what a shift it was to include all Gentiles in the new era of grace. This Grace was by revelation to primarily Paul.. by direct revelation from God. He was the most unlikely candidate after just prior overseeing the stoning of Steven.
damted 10 months ago
Hey curesoon, we have covered a bit of ground? I will answer you questions but could you state your view on: the Mystery of Paul, and in fact were you aware of it? And how the jews and Gentiles both are under grace since christs death. However the Jews were entrusted with gods law and the Gentiles weren't.
Then I will understand where you are at a little more. cheers Mate
damted 10 months ago
@damted - Anyway . . . Have you ever noticed that it takes complex and elaborate reasons to prop up false beliefs? The truth is usually a simple thing. There are few things more simple than God said remeber the Sabbath because He wanted us to do just that. By the blood of Christ, all peoples of the world have the chance to be joint-heirs with the patriarchs and prophets of God.
curesoon 10 months ago
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
curesoon 10 months ago
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
(Romans 8:12-17)
curesoon 10 months ago
I might add if we read the writings of paul, we can see the importance of realising his ministry was to the Gentiles not the Jews who had the law. It could open up understanding into the law and its relationship to us Gentiles.
THE MYSTERY. Have you ever taken notice of the mystery as described by paul?
It can reveal much. Ephes.3:6
damted 10 months ago
@damted - The mystery is that God grafted the Gentiles into the house of Israel. See in the verse you mentioned: "That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" (Ephesians 3:6) Gentiles are not separate from Israel, but they are "fellow-heirs."
Another good chapter in the Bible to prove this belief is Romans 11.
curesoon 10 months ago
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Romans 2:28-29)
curesoon 10 months ago
The Sabbath was created as a day of the week in the creation story. To say it no longer exist is to say there is now only 6 days of the week. We as humans cannot uncreate what God has made...for our benefit I might add. I'm of a mind to believe that we as humans, Adventist as well, will try to rationalize our way out of any good thing. Its one of the effects of sin. I pray that God give all of us a clear heart and mind as we seek after Him.
cajohnson381 10 months ago
@cajohnson381 - Well said!
curesoon 10 months ago
@cajohnson381 Gods dealing with man does change, he doesnt chage is all.
damted 10 months ago
To interpret the word you need to know who is being talked to. You are a Gentile not a Circumcised Jew.For the first time equal rights to Salvation for both. Gal 3:24,25 the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come , we are no longer under the supervision of the law. God bless on your Journey curesoon.
damted 10 months ago
@damted - You keep trying to make a difference between Jews and Gentiles, but that a direct violation of the Gospel. "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:11-13)
curesoon 10 months ago
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Galatians 3:28-29)
"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." (Colossians 3:11)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon romans 2:14.... gentiles who do not have the law, they are a law unto themselves.
The law is written on the gentiles heart where the jew was given it by moses
damted 10 months ago
@damted - How could you say that when the Bible says in Jeremiah that God will make the New Covenant with the house of Israel: "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(Jeremiah 31:31)
curesoon 10 months ago
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." (Jeremiah 31:33)
curesoon 10 months ago
Hebrews 4:7,8
toddsturgill 10 months ago
@toddsturgill - There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Hebrews 4:9) :)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon Yes, the rest we have is every day in christ`s finished work. Thank you Lord. no more works. The sabbath was the shadow of things to come. Adam gave up his humanity in eden. our future is a spiritual being, where time and days are of no consequence.
damted 10 months ago
@damted - That's true . . . We should rest in the work done by Christ on the Cross. As God rested on the seventh day after he made all things, so also, Jesus rested on the seventh day in the grave after He had finished His work of Redemption. He is ever our example, and so we refrain from work on God's Holy Day praising Him for giving us Salvation as a free gift of love.
curesoon 10 months ago
Hebrews 4:7,8
toddsturgill 10 months ago
bravo!!!
rickydepths1 10 months ago
@rickydepths1 - Thanks!
curesoon 10 months ago
There is no provision for a new covenant prophet in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. SDA`s want a Law-Grace relationship ,this is not scriptural. Its called an adulterous relationship' The power of the law is to condemn, it has no saving power.A seventh day sabbath keeper wants shove an old covenant law into the Grace covenant made with the Jews and the Gentiles who by the way never received the law to start with.
Once we try to keep a law we come under its condemnation!
damted 10 months ago
@damted - You said, "There is no provision for a prophet in the Gospel." Could you give me the scripture for that? I have two scriptures that clearly imply that God gave the church prophets: And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (1 Corinthians 12:28) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. (1 Corinthians 14:29)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon Not an old testament prophet for Christ came once and for all to fulfill the law and the Prophets.
Prophets tongues etc are fruits of the spirit and we are told to expect them in our congregation. Not raise them up to compliment the word of god, we reserve that for our Lord and savior. The rightly dividing word of God is by the holy spirit not E.G.W.
damted 10 months ago
@damted - The Prophets of the Old Testament were moved by the same Spirit. Oh, and you're right, we are supposed to "rightly dividing word of God is by the holy spirit not E.G.W." The Bible says, "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." (1 Corinthians 14:32) And also, "To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because no light is in them." (Isaiah 8:20)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon The thing is, the bible isn`t a smorgasbord of texts for us to cherry pick , thats how we have got the various sects.
An instruction to noah isnt an instruction to us. It was for Noah. Paul is the apostle of Grace to the gentiles. In the Past the Gentiles could only be saved by becoming a proselyte Jew for example. The rules for god relating to man changed after Christs death as the whole mosaic law was nailed to the cross. Now the Jews and Gentile have Grace if they believe J3:16
damted 10 months ago
@damted - The New Testament (or Covenant) is about God helping us keep His law. Yes, the Mosaic Law was nailed to the Cross, but that does not include the Ten Commandments in which is recorded the Sabbath Commandment. Look at the following verse:
curesoon 10 months ago
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
curesoon 10 months ago
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jeremiah 31:31-33)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon Actually it does, the whole system of law and sacrifice with its curses and blessings cant be separated. Not only that but it was only given to the 12 tribes of Judah the Jews in a particular point in time with a time limit for its usefulness.
Do you recognize you are a Gentile or a spiritual Jew?
damted 10 months ago
@damted - God gave Adam and Eve the Sabbath long before there was ever a Jew.
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon Answer the question Bro, what are you.
. We are not adam and eve anymore. They gave up their humanity when they sinned. Mans future is different now, its a spiritual body not flesh and blood. Thats why its the rest we have in Christ TODAY that is referred to in Hebrews 4. By the way Hebrews was written by Paul because they werent separating christs salvation and the old covenant law. Ironic eh.
damted 10 months ago
@damted - I am a son of Adam as are you.
At any rate, I can see we are not going to agree, and being that I have some work to finish, I must leave this conversation here in a stalemate. May God bless you with eyes that see.
curesoon 10 months ago
@damted - So you can steal now? What about murder? Adultery? Can we have other gods now?
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (Romans 8:6)
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
curesoon 10 months ago
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
curesoon 10 months ago
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(Romans 8:3-9)
curesoon 10 months ago
We should not be walking after the flesh. Sin is fleshly or what is called carnal, but the Law of God is spiritual. We should be walking according to God's wisdom which is given within His Word or Law.
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
(Romans 7:14)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon So are you a uncircumcised Gentile?
damted 10 months ago
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
(Ephesians 4:10-12)
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
(Amos 3:7)
curesoon 10 months ago
@damted - You also said we want "a Law-Grace relationship." I would actually say we want a Grace-Law relationship with God: We have His grace, and that causes us to desire to keep His Law. At any rate, it's actually a scriptural. Like the old song says, "There's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey." This verse says it best: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12)
curesoon 10 months ago
@curesoon No I didn`t. We are saved by grace alone. Thank you lord.
damted 10 months ago
@damted - Right . . . And Gods grace then helps us keep His Law.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
(1 John 2:3-6)
curesoon 10 months ago
@damted - It is true that the Law shows us our sin, but it also instructs us in how we should behave. The Bible says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
curesoon 10 months ago
You are right about one thing: the Law has no power to save us. - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (Galatians 3:21)
curesoon 10 months ago
@damted - "Once we try to keep a law we come under its condemnation?" This is backwards thinking! It is sin that brings condemnation: "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16) "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
curesoon 10 months ago
The Law is among the many gifts of God. It is our sin that make the Law death to us.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans 7:9-12)
So you see, the Law was meant to give life, but our sin causes death.
curesoon 10 months ago
@damted - Good study . . . God bless!
curesoon 10 months ago
"'you know how youtube is, you start off watching rabbits and you end up......" you know homie wanted to say "you start off watching rabbits and you end up.....watching ametuer biki contests of northeast michigan" (or enter some other as close to porn stuff you can get on you tube).
arnoldjoe9808 10 months ago
Yay! Great video. :). Good to see a fellow SDA.
laurettabear 10 months ago
@laurettabear - Thanks! :)
curesoon 10 months ago
"While we are to be in harmony with God's law, we are not saved by the works of the law, yet we cannot be saved without obedience. The law is the standard by which character is measured. But we cannot possibly keep the commandments of God without the regenerating grace of Christ. Jesus alone can cleanse us from all sin. He does not save us by law, neither will 96He save us in disobedience to law." - Ellen G. White (Faith and Works pg. 95)
curesoon 1 year ago
“The powers of darkness gather about the soul and shut Jesus from our sight, and at times we can only wait in sorrow and amazement until the cloud passes over. These seasons are sometimes terrible. Hope seems to fail, and despair seizes upon us. In these dreadful hours we must learn to trust, to depend solely upon the merits of the atonement, and in all our helpless unworthiness cast ourselves upon the merits of the crucified and risen Saviour. We shall never perish while we do this—never!
curesoon 1 year ago
When light shines on our pathway, it is no great thing to be strong in the strength of grace. But to wait patiently in hope when clouds envelop us and all is dark requires faith and submission which causes our will to be swallowed up in the will of God. We are too quickly discouraged, and earnestly cry for the trial to be removed from us, when we should plead for patience to endure and grace to overcome.”—Ellen G. White, God’s Amazing Grace, p. 114
curesoon 1 year ago
You cannot reason with the unreasonable!!!!
curesoon 1 year ago
You want to ban me from your channel because you are a DICTATOR! You silence free speech and you want to block me because you cannot answer my questions and because you want to control the conversation! You are nothing more than a dictator!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU I just did a search of your comments and it seems you are more interested in generating a flamewar. I'm up for open and fair discussion but please don't copy and paste the same comments on every SDA video you can find. I'm a happy sev, happy with my beliefs, happy with the sabbath and its position at the end of the world (this seems to be a sticking point for you). No the sabbath does not save you (faith & grace my friend) it is a beautiful gift. We should meet and chat. (Im in AU)
indimedia 1 year ago
@indimedia - Thank you!!!!
curesoon 1 year ago
@indimedia - You cannot reason with the unreasonable!!!!
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon You falsely accused my heart,typical self-righteous Pharisee!
You are under the LAW/LEGALISM! EGW has deceived you when she was inspired by demons to write her books! She had led you right into the same "Bewitched" gospel that Paul rebuked in Gal 3.
You now trust in your Sabbath works to save you!You have rejected Jesus as your 100% complete and sole Saviour!
Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU We should have a coffee together sometime, it would be easier to have this conversation. I'm up for it if you are.
indimedia 1 year ago
@indimedia Whenever I have coffee with an Adventist, the only froth I see is on the Adventists mouth, as they get defensive, angry, hateful, abusive and claim I am a now a follower of Satan. The same spirit that did it to the Pharisee's, do it to Adventists as well.
I don't mind meeting you though. No problems at all. I will be in Sydney all week this week. What time and what place you want to meet up?
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU Maybe we should video our conversation, it would make a great youtube clip ;)
indimedia 1 year ago
@indimedia You seem like a nice person, very different from the hateful, self-righteous, nasty, condescending, judgmental, condemning Adventists that I am used to meeting.
I was a non-christian for 30 years and used to be a drug dealer and managed whore houses. And then one day I came to Christ and fell in love with Him and He is now my Lord, Saviour and best friend.
And let me tell you the truth, I have never met more hateful and vicious people in my life until I became a member of the SDA!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU Yes I've met some of those same people (I think there is some in every group), most of the one's I knew growing up are no longer in the church. I'm glad you have met Christ and love him, he is the best friend to have. I'll be even happier to have this conversation in heaven with you where we will know for sure which one of us got the theology right. If I'm the one wrong - so be it, all I know is that I will be there because I have faith and Jesus is my best friend also.
indimedia 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - Well, I am sorry if you met some angry (so called) adventist.
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon I have a question for you. I am asking you are not too frightened to answer it and don't sidestep it and try to run and hide from this question.
What did EGW teach about the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast, and who will get it, and WHY will they get the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast?
If you are unable to answer that question, then go ask your SDA Pastor to answer it for you, and then come back here and tell everyone the answer.
I look forward to your answer.
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU Lets organise it through messages, I'm in sydney this week also.
indimedia 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU I'll try not to froth :D
indimedia 1 year ago
@indimedia - He wouldn't listen to you. He would only ask the same questions over and over even after you answered them. He's not interested in what we believe, he just wants to drive me to the point of madness so he can say, "Look! I told you those Adventist are bad!" :D
curesoon 1 year ago
Once the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the beast is enforced in the future, what will Sunday Keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus need to do to be saved and to avoid the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the Beast? Will they need to perform Sabbath works to be saved?
Your answer will PROVE that you teach that Sabbath works will be essential for Christians to perform in the end times to be saved and that faith in Jesus is NOT enough to save us, we also need Sabbath works!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - Your are one hard-headed fellow! :D
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon Are you an member of the SDA or NOT? Y/N?
If Yes, then surely you agree with EGW? You are not calling her a liar are you? If so, then do as I did and resign your SDA membership, because EGW taught that SUNDAY LAWS will be the Mark of the Beast and what she taught was that any Christian who attends Church on Sundays and not Sabbath will be rejected by God, lost, and will receive the wrath of God and final plagues! According to EGW, their faith in Jesus is not enough to save them!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - Do you really have faith in Jesus if you ignore his commandments?
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
(1 John 2:3-6)
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
(John 14:15)
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
(John 14:21)
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
(John 15:10)
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon I have a few questions for you.
1. Do you perfectly keep the Sabbath Commandment? Y/n?
2. Do you perfectly keep the 10 Commandments? Y/n?
3. Do you perfectly obey God? Y/n?
4. Do you ever sin? Y/n? If Yes, the Bible says you DISOBEY GOD AND TRANSGRESS THE LAW, 1John 3:4. Do you agree?
(Watch him insult me instead of answering me.)
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - The questions look real familiar. I guess if you can't come up with anything new, I'll have to block you. At any rate, I'll answer them all one more time. No, I'm not perfect yet, but I trust (have faith) that God will complete the work He started in me. Thus before all is finished, I shall be perfectly obedient.
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon Ok, so you just admitted that you are a 10 Commandment and law breaker. So that means you admitted to being disobedient to God because you break the 10 Commandments and the Law.
So now do you also admit that you are a Sabbath breaker seeing you admitted that you are a sinner who breaks the 10 Commandments and the Law?
YES OR NO?
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - We've already been through this . . . I wouldn't call myself a Sabbath breaker because I refrain from work on the seventh day, but I would not say I'm perfect either.
I am a work in progress. With faith I look to God to complete the work He has started in me. Thus before all is finished, I shall be perfectly obedient.
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" (Philippians 1:6)
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon The Sabbath commandment also commands you to work 6 days a week. Do you work 6 days a week? Yes or No?
And you just admitted to being a sinner and 10 Commandment breaker, so that means you are a Sabbath breaker. Because to be classified to be a perfect sabbath keeper would mean you claim to be a perfect and sinless 10 Commandment keeper, because remember, James said, if you stumble in one point, which you admit to doing, you are guilty of breaking the WHOLE 10 Commandments!!!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - Now I give this last warning: These pages are for discussion, but you have only asked the same question over and over without ever responding to any of mine. That is not discussion! I will block you if you can't play well with others. :)
curesoon 1 year ago
John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
toddsturgill 10 months ago
@FatTonyAU - Do you think it's wrong to keep the Sabbath?
What do you think the mark of the beast is?
What if people who "love Jesus and have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour" take the mark of the beast, will they be lost?
Answer or be blocked!
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon Firstly, thank you for your threats! That helps me expose the evil seed in the Adventist heart. Ever since I resigned my SDA membership, I have been threatened by Adventists and you threatening me just reassures me that I am right about the evil in the SDA and Adventists.
Firstly, I am a Sabbath keeper, but unlike you, I do not worship on Saturdays to be saved, and I do not trust in my Sabbath works to save me, like you do!
The Mark will be received by those who rely on LEGALISM!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - "The evil seed in the Adventist heart?!?!?" Look into our history! Do you find people being burned at stake by Adventist? How about a inquisition or two? I don't think so!
Besides, the reason I'm teetering on the edge of blocking you is because you never answer anyone else's questions, but you just keep on saying the same lie. I starting to believe you're a student of Vladimir Lenin who said: "A lie told often enough becomes truth."
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon You are a fraud and hateful Adventist! That is very clear!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? (1 Kings 18:17)
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU I am a SDA and the issue in the Mark of the Beast is the same issue that is throughout the entire bible-righteous by faith versus righteous by works. Exodus 31:13 Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. The sabbath is how the law is kept-resting In Christ. Keeping the Sabbath to be saved or choosing your own day is legalism
eherb48 10 months ago
@eherb48 Cain and able are a good example. They both brought an offering to God in worship. Able relied on God's way a lamb. Cain relied on the works of his hands-produce. God alone has the authority to change the Sabbath, not man. To rest in Christ and rely wholly on Him is what the Sabbath Stands for. Sunday stands for the ressurection. How can you say you are resting in Christ if you are keeping your own day, your own way?
eherb48 10 months ago
@FatTonyAU I'd like to respond. The third angels message at the end of time (Rev 14:12) is to keep the commandments and have faith in Jesus. What this means is you are saved through faith in Jesus, by his grace, but the angel ALSO includes a call for people to find authentic christianity, a call to keep the commandments a call to find what is actually in the bible and not human edicts. EGW is not the bible, SDA's don't believe that, EGW did not believe that. We believe faith in Jesus IS enough.
indimedia 1 year ago
@indimedia - Well said!
curesoon 1 year ago
Question for all SDAs:
What will people need to do in the end to avoid the Mark of the Beast and to avoid being lost?
Will having faith in Jesus be enough? OR do you need to do something else to be saved and to avoid the Sunday Laws Mark of the Beast?
(Their answers will prove that they don't believe a Christian can be saved by faith and grace, and that Sabbath works are also needed to be saved in the end of times and that Sabbath works are needed to avoid the Sunday Laws Mark of the Beast)
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - Still beating the same tired old drum? :D
I'll ask you one more time . . . What do you believe the mark of the beast is? You won't answer, and I'll roll my eyes. Then I'll try to explain to you that we believe in salvation through grace alone, but you won't hear it. After that, you'll ask this question all over again . . . Isn't this fun?!?! . . . And extremely pointless!
curesoon 1 year ago
Any post that brings up the same point over and over will be deleted in interest of not wanting to have a large amount of redundancy on my pages. :)
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - So, Fat-Tony, what do you think the mark of the beast will be?
curesoon 1 year ago
Still no answer!?!?
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - Here is proof that what you are saying is not what true Adventist actually believe: "Our own works can never purchase salvation." - A Call To Stand Apart, p. 17.2 (EGW)
curesoon 1 year ago
Will Fat Tony actually read and contemplate my comments? Stay tuned to find out!
curesoon 1 year ago
You are deluded,deceived and a false christian and a false teacher.You claim devout Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus will be rejected by God and lost and will receive a Mark of the Beast. You should be ashamed of yourself for teaching such evil things.How dare you attack God's children...people who love Jesus and have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. You and SDA's remind me of the Pharisee's, they too were vicious and they too condemned the children of God!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU
I never said true Christians who love Jesus will be lost. In fact, such Christians as that will see the holy Sabbath for the blessing that it is and begin to keep it rather than take the mark of the beast. However, it really doesn't matter what I answer. You have your mind made up, and there's nothing I can ever say to change it. May God touch your heart. This I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen!
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon You are so confused you keep contradicting yourself and talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Now stop side stepping my question and give me a direct and honest answer because so far you have been evasive and deceptive. And stop running away from my question by making false excuses. I always find that in Adventists, they are so scared off my questions that they run and hide from them.
Can Sunday Keeping Christians who have faith in Jesus,be saved in the end and avoid the Mark?
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU
Scared off by your questions? Don't make me laugh!
I didn't sidestep your question. I asked you if anyone who takes the mark of the beast can be saved. You said no. Therefore, if, as Mrs. White says, Sunday keeping is the mark of the beast, then those who, when the mark is issued, still keep Sunday, would be lost. No sidestepping, and you agree with me. You just won't admit it.
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon I'm going to ask you some questions and I want you to give me direct and honest answers. No more sidestepping
1. Do you believe Rev 22:14 refers to the 10 Commandments?
2. Do you keep the 10 Commandments perfectly and never sin?
3. If Yes, do you claim you are a perfect 10 Commandment keeper?
4. If you answered No to question 2, then do you admit that Rev 22:14 cannot apply to you seeing you are a sinner and 10 Commandment breaker?
5. Can you be saved if you stop keeping Sabbath?
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - Ok . . . What are you, a census worker? :D I tell you what, I'll answer these, and then you leave me alone. :D
#1 - Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(Revelation 22:14) What else could it be talking about? So, yes, I do.
#2 - Not yet, but I want to, and with Christ help, I shall some day. - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. (Philippians 4:13)
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU
#3 I did not claim to be a perfect law keeper, but Jesus was, and I want to be like him.
#4 I don't see how Rev 22:14 couldn't mean what it says.
#5 If you are save, you wouldn't want to stop keeping the Sabbath. If you are saved, you would want to follow Jesus in obedience to his holy law. If you were saved, you would delight in the Sabbath.
My turn! - Only one question: If you say we should keep Sunday holy, aren't you doing the same thing only with a different day in mind?
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon You just admitted to being a sinner and 10 Commandment breaker, which means you just admitted you are a SABBATH BREAKER!!!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - I was raised Southern Baptist . . . I didn't know anything about the Sabbath. At any rate, that is why we have to have the blood of Christ placed upon our hearts. It's like when the children of Israel were protected from the death angel during the last plague: they had to have the lamb's blood upon their door posts and lintels. We don't have to be perfect to come to God, but through the work of the Holy Spirit, we should desire to become perfect. Through Christ, we can be.
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon There is your problem....you were raised a Southern Baptist and not as a Christian and follower of Jesus Christ.
That's the problem with being born into and raised by men created religious denominational organizations, they follow their own path before they follow Jesus' path.
As for myself, I follow Jesus and the 66 books of Scripture, and I am not a member of any men created religious denominational organizations like you are. I only follow Bible and Jesus, nothing else!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - So you're saying that Southern Baptists are not saved even if they trust in Jesus Christ as their lord and savior? Hmmm . . .
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon A "Southern Baptist" is lost unless they are born again Christian. Not all "Southern Baptists" are saved and not all "Southern Baptists" are born again. They are religious, nothing more.
Are you claiming that every single person who is born a "Southern Baptist" is automatically saved?
YES OR NO?
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - No, I didn't mean that I was automatically a Baptist. I was taught that we are saved through grace, and I excepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was young. Then later I learned about God's holy Sabbath, and wanted to keep the day like Jesus and the other people in the Bible. I never gave up the Baptist teaching of saved through grace, because I didn't have to because it is the same thing that the Adventist church teaches.
curesoon 1 year ago
@curesoon If I have faith in Jesus, yet attend Church on Sundays and not Saturdays(Sabbath), can I still be saved by faith and grace alone, and can I still avoid the coming Mark of the Beast (Sunday Laws)?
Yes or No?
Adventists will always answer NO, because they believe EGW who taught that Sunday keeping Christians will be lost! So EGW and SDA reject grace and teach that salvation in the end times is based on Sabbath works, and if a person doesn't perform Sabbath works they will be lost!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU tony bolony,please stop insulting Christians and doing the very things you are accusing sda's of doing.you yourself admittedly keep the Sabbath and yet rage against others who also keep it .my question to you(not that you will even attempt to answer it ) is ,do you believe you are doing God's will by blasting Sabbath keepers and having a prideful ,presumptuous attitude?
charliebuck1000 1 year ago
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@charliebuck1000 If you permanently stopped attending Church Service on Sabbath, can you still be saved in the end of times by faith and grace alone and still avoid the coming EGW/SDA Sunday Laws (Mark of the Beast)?
Just give me a direct and honest answer.
Your answer will prove that you rely on your Sabbath WORKS to be saved and that you have rejected salvation by faith and grace alone!
FatTonyAU 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU
No, you may not believe that Sunday keeping is the mark, but you do believe that anyone who takes the mark will be lost.
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU
Now, since your not really interested in learning anything of what I believe, and I can clearly see that you have nothing but contempt for me and the church I attend, why not find someone else to harass?
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - By the way, if they really love God, have faith in Jesus, and call Him Lord and Savior, wouldn't they keep His commandments? The Sabbath is in the midst of the ten.
(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
curesoon 1 year ago
@FatTonyAU - If you love God, there should be a desire to learn what His commandments are and to keep them with the help of Christ.
(Philippians 4:13) I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
curesoon 1 year ago