@CreedChrist Even if a person existed who was Jesus, or was what inspired the Jesus character, that still wouldn't mean he was god or god's son. There were tons of people in that time period who were crucified for claiming to be the messiah. What if one got lucky and was believed?
One of my favorites from THunderf00t. got chills as he explained how precious life is and why one of the most noble things we can do is to pass it on better than before. truly amazing
I believe we were created.. or designed. By other civilizations. But who created them?.. Well I don't know, but why does that really has to always be the BIG QUESTION if we can't even consider any solution other than creation or chance? How about the aliens what do people think about that?
@MrQuitoso It's not about coming up with magical scenarios on how it might have happened. It's about forming a theory, an explanation based upon observable evidence and collected data that best explains all the phenomena. So, for example, if you notice that there's a strange signal coming from all directions at once and is extremely strong, what would you think based only upon that? How would you explain that? How come there's radiation coming from everywhere with no apparent source? Aliens?
@MrQuitoso Oh, and BTW the Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with the existence or 'creation' of life. You'll find the best ideas so far on how life originally started by looking up 'abiogenesis'. And if you want to know how we and every other living organism on this planet evolved from those first simple organic molecules, then look up 'Theory of Evolution'. That theory explains all that and is supported by evidence in the form of the fossil record, DNA, geology, ...
Atheists still are accountable for knowledge that Jesus rose from the dead. Were it not for this fact, our (Christians) faith would be in vain and we are men most miserable. As a believer in Christ, I'm certainly not ignorant of scientific fact, but I am also not ignorant that it takes faith to believe what I do, and this is based on facts and reason.
@steeldustbronze You have proof about the existence and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Publish it immediately and let the world know. Put an end to the riddicule of those evil atheists who call your beliefs 'Bronze Age peasant superstition and mythology'. Before you publish those extraordinary findings, could you please explain how you discovered them? What sources of knowledge do you have available that I don't? This is so fascinating. I finally might become a believer. Don't make me wait!
@majst0r considering we have the 4 gospels, and a load of epistles. As well as non-biblical sources as to Jesus's existence(Josephus, Tacitis, Pliny, etc) his historicity cannot be denied. Alexander the Great as less historical information than Jesus and of course you probably believe Alexander existed. There is much written evidence to Christ's resurrection. Not to mention the thousands of miracles of the saints after.
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz your wrong, there are much more documents on Jesus than Alexander the Great. The historical documents of Alexander are much more sparse than the NT. Hence on a historical level, the accounts of Jesus and his existence are actually ABOVE in quality and information when compared to how history was usually written about other people.
@CreedChrist There are no legitimate accounts of anyone named Jesus from the time of his supposed existence, or from where he was supposed to be. Only anecdotal B.S. story's from your fiction book the bible.
@LordMikkell there are tons of legitmate accounts. The gospels and ex-biblical writings like Josephus, The Talmud, Pliny, Tacitus, Thallus,and Lucian. Based on how history was written, Jesus's accounts are actually very meticulous and exceptional. Especially when you compare it to other written histories like Alexander the Great, which pales in comparison in information to the gospel. Yet you take Alexander the Greats existence for sure probably.
@LordMikkell there is enormous evidence for Christ. Even people who didn't like Him wrote about Him, like Tacitus and Pliny the Younger. Josephus the historian wrote about Him. The Talmud. Gaius, etc
@LordMikkell 1000 people could have written about Christ and you would still think it was "made up crap". Problem is if you used the same filter regarding other history, you would think those would have been made up too. But of course, you conveniently only apply it to Christ's history which shows how hypocritical atheists are. Obviously they have very little idea how history was written in 1st century palestine.
@CreedChrist And there you have it. The insessive implication that Atheists are trying to twist history to suite them. Well guess what buddy. Not one single thing you have said or tried to point to is supportive to the argument that a person, Named Jesus that was born to a woman named Mary, from Nazarene, married to a man named Joseph ever existed.
It's you who wants the history to change to suite you.
And besides. Christ is a title not a name. Get your own beliefs strait before you bash mine.
@LordMikkell considering I'm talking with someone with thinks Matthew is the oldest Gospel its kinda futile to talk about something with a person who knows barely anything about and can only answer with ad-hominems like "its not true because I say so". Read the first 4 verses of Luke. Does that sound like someone who is just making something up? The Jews were very meticulous for written records.
@LordMikkell considering I'm talking with someone with thinks Matthew is the oldest Gospel its kinda futile to talk about something with a person who knows barely anything about and can only answer with ad-hominems like "its not true because I say so". Read the first 4 verses of Luke. Does that sound like someone who is just making something up? The Jews were very meticulous for written records.
@CreedChrist Tacitus: Wrote about christ 112 years after christs' death. Never met Jesus, never even saw him. Pure hearsay, irrelevant. The same applies to all others you mentioned, it is all hearsay. In addition, most entries you cite talk predominately about THE CHURCH, not christ himself. If I say "Muslims worship allah", that doesn't mean allah really exist. So for a historian to write about christianity doesn't even indicate that christ really existed.
@morningstomper123 that is how history is written, most documents regarding major figures in history were written after their lives. Compared to other historians the documents of Jesus are actually of a much higher grade compared to other accounts of famous people. Read the beginning of the Gospel of Luke,, does that sounds like someone trying to make up something??
@morningstomper123 It sounds like you know little about Church history. There were many contemporaries of Christ who wrote about him, like John, James, Peter, and Matthew. Around A.D 70. Luke was a scribe and doctor of the apostle Paul who wrote the book of Luke and Acts. Just as Mark was a scribe and companion of the Apostle Peter(as also had connections with Paul). You also have the early Fathers like Clement, Ignatius, Linius, Polycarp, etc.
@CreedChrist So you are using the bible as proof that jesus existed? Nice work. What makes you think that any of the 12 disciples would still be alive 70 plus years after jesus died? That would make them around 100 years old, if not older. The average life expectancy was around 30 back then. And what were they doing for seventy years before they started to write?
@morningstomper123 St. Paul's writings happened only a decade after Christ's Passion. Mark was written around 50 A.D., only 20 years after the crucifixion. Whereas Alexander the Great's history was written 200 years after his death. Homer's illiad was written also hundreds of years after the sacking of Troy. Compared to other histories the biographies of Christ are actually very good for its time. All of history is written in a slow fashion
@CreedChrist What a crock. Mathew was the first gospel written, circa 70 A.D. The other three came after. Paul never even met christ, so his testimony is hearsay, and that's a fact, so forget paul. We know matthew was the first gospel written, and mathew would have had to have been around 100 years old to have written it. We know that is bullshit, people didn't live that long. You haven't addressed the issue that none of the gospels could have been written by their attributed authors due time.
@CreedChrist What a crock. Mathew was the first gospel written, circa 70 A.D. The other three came after. Paul never even met christ, so his testimony is hearsay, and that's a fact, so forget paul. We know matthew was the first gospel written, and mathew would have had to have been around 100 years old to have written it. We know that is bullshit, people didn't live that long. You haven't addressed the issue that none of the gospels could have been written by their attributed authors due to time
@morningstomper123 It sounds like you are not too bright regarding church history or theology. As most scholars know Mark is the earliest gospel(called the Markan priority). Secondly, if you read Paul's epistles you will know he had contact with many of the apostles, like Peter, John, James, and Phillip. Mark himself was a scribe of Peter's and also traveled with Paul. So please, do some research before making uneducated remarks like that. Try reading eusebius church history for starters.
@CreedChrist LOL. You're full of shit, and seem to just be accepting the claim that the apostles lived to be 100 plus as a fact? It is impossible, simple as that. You can spit all the poorly rehearsed apologetics and all the pathetic insults you want, you can't negate the fact that the attributed authors of the gospels would have been dead when the gospels were written. Oh yeah by the way, you need to stop using the bible as proof of anything, it's embarrassing.
@morningstomper123 *sigh*, I seriously cannot debate with someone who doesn't know anything about the Gospels. The gospels were not written after 100 A.D., lol. They range from 50 A.D. - 70 A.D. St. Paul himself died around A.D 60 by Nero, during the time when the gospel writings were starting. And Luke himself already had records of eyewitnesses long before. Try reading the early church fathers who talk about their formation, not atheist rhetoric.
@steeldustbronze You have proof about the existence and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Publish it immediately and let the world know. Put an end to the riddicule of those evil atheists who call your beliefs 'Bronze Age peasant superstition' and mythology'. Before you publish those extraordinary findings, could you please explain how you discovered them? What sources of knowledge do you have available that I don't? This is so fascinating. I finally might become a believer. Don't make me wait!
inspired me into starting a course myself with the open univerisity, im not going to be studying physics and astronomy, so really i just wanto to say thankyou for your inspiration and long may you continue inspiring people to the wonders of the universe :)
Well I must say I've just subscribed to your YouTube and I'm amazed by your vids. Your knowledge and understanding is outstanding. You are not aggressive to religions, you more pity them in a way of their lack of understanding which is a nice thing to see. I myself have always looked up to the stars from a very young age and been amazed at how small and insignificant we truly are in the bigger picture that is out universe. I am happy to say because of people like yourself have inspired me into
Thank you very much for this ride! I have to say that i envy every student of yours, just for havin a teacher who us able to convey knowledge with such enthusiasm!
the thing i hate about creationist is if they don't understand something they would just say oh god did it i mean do you think the world would still be here if we just said to hard to understand god did it i mean we wouldn't have medicine ,map of the human body, put man on the moon have scientist and all these great things but then again there ignorant.
Of course it is sad to see people argue this in a modern society; while taking for granted the practical benefits that come from the same scientific method, that they claim to be in a big conspiracy against the bible.
If you want to see this sad rubbish type in geocentralism into the youtube search bar, or google or any search engine on the internet. The bottom line, is that some of the rubbish that some people come outwith sometimes it is so sad and stupid it just isn't even funny.
What Geocentralists refuse to acknowledge is that the heliocentric model which has been in place for the past 400 years perfectly explains the motions and phases of all the planets in the night sky.
If anyone is wondering why I am talking about evidence for the earth's motion, it's because there are some creationists out there that think the the bible says the sun orbits the earth. Therefor, they believe it and actually argue their point with the good old "it's based on assumpions!" argument.
"There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on "authority", and science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
I love your ability to really make what science is about sound beautifull. for just those few words you temporarily make me appreaciate the human race.
I won't agree when you say about "minds of millions made it possible".
Next to the whole humanity, number of people who actually created something with their mind can hardly even reach few percents. Rest of the human mass are just in fact - users.
too few people are really intrestead in this.. They just go on with their primitive drama lives and live inside their little box.. I'm so happy i'm not alone wondering and watching these kind of vids to learn and understand more.. Thank you Thunderf00t!
Dear Thunderf00t, please write a book on such topics! You have a brilliant mind, it would be a waste to keep on posting videos here where it can only be accessed by a limited amount of people.
How the hell is YouTube free? You need to pay for the internet AND a computer. Geez, I wonder how many people would rather spend money on an obscure book!
@dycarbon1 Well, for the people that already own computers, finding these videos is fairly easy, and once they find the videos they are more likely to watch them than to spend money on a book that they aren't even sure they will like. Also, making and distributing content on the internet is extremely cheap and easy compared to writing and publishing a book.
thanks for telling us the program. I just downloaded that Celestia thing and I was BLOWN AWAY. It is absolutely amazing. I still don't know how to use all of it, but its awesome so far.
I have a theory on black holes, most imagine them as disks that suck things into them like a drain, but what if they were in fact spherical, since we cannot yet perceive a black hole in 3d. My point is this, what if the reason for every planet and every stars gravitational pull is due to these black holes being a part of the make up of these celestial objects, pulling materials towards it and compacting them into the spherical objects we see in space today. I have heard many other possibilities.
Well from what I understand the black holes themselves are just an infinitesimal point, a singularity and we only see them as larger than this because any light that gets into its gravity well gets suck into the singularity but take my words with a grain of salt because i have never formally learned very much about astronomy.
However a certain amount of mass is needed for a black hole to form. That's between 1.7~2.7 Solar masses. Lighter than this, and a neutron star or dwarf star is formed.
Since the earth and planets all fall far below this minimum mass, they cannot contain black holes. Nor can a Star become a black hole until it has fused all it's nuclear fuel into Iron. The fusion is what stops the Star from collapsing.
If any of these things did contain a black hole, they would be destroyed.
Our duty as humans is to maintain the future of our species and the knowledge we have collected. In this current age, we should focus on making planetary colonization possible, because once we're able to move about space as we will, our species will become nearly immortal. However, as long as we remain trapped on this rock, our fate could be judged by billions upon billions of potentially dangerous events. We're so close... all we need to do is reach farther while we still can.
Our universe, so beautiful, so mysterious, it freaks me out!. There are a lots of difficult questions regarding our universe. some may even never be answered! Sad!
Thanks, Thunderf00t! I'm looking out the window at the night sky, trying to understand the perspective. The world definitely feels different thinking about it this way.
Thunderfoot, I sincerely appreciate you're recognition of the intrinsic beauty of the universe without reference to a 'loving creator' and your recognition of the fact that one doesn't need a religion to find 'meaning' of life in this universe. Thank you.
You're not going to get any hits for your site by spamming this video. People aren't that stupid here. May I suggest a channel under the name of VenomFangX?
Truly awesome and inspiring. I honestly can't understand how any religious person can accuse us of only seeing emptiness. I think they haven't looked far enough.
Whether or not Jesus was a true historical figure is moot. The fact is that creationists choose to ignore some scientific facts and twist others to fit into their theory. It goes along with my theory that religious zealots tend to wear blinders for everything they do. They focus on insignificant facts and untruths while ignoring information that is right in front of them which clearly refutes the creationist theory. Remember-ignorance is a choice.
Beautiful presentation. I enjoy contemplating the size of things. This reminds me of when I watched Carl Sagan on cosmos. He possessed a yearning for knowledge that was contagious to the viewer. Thank you, very eloquent.
does the sun not bend the light waves passing by it so venus behind the sun (would be visible) yet part of the orbit were it should be visible we could not see it. or am I way off base on this?
The gravitational lensing effect of the sun as seen from Earth is so infinitessimally small as to have essentially no bearing on our view of Venus. The effect (bending) is readily observable only with powerful telescopes viewing light passing near extremely massive distant objects such as galaxies, galaxy clusters, enormous black holes, or quasars, etc..
I've believed in God all my life, but about 30 years ago, when I was 17, I had a new-life-in-Christ experience. I got saved, born-again or what ever you want to call it. God initiated a personal relationship with me and cleaned me up spiritually so I could converse with him. Yes, it was the most amazing thing that ever happened to me I am still amazed at how wonderful God is today. Even though I always believed, I didn't really "know" God till I got saved.
souldude81. I know it was God who changed me and not myself because my conversion happened in a moment when I was by myself and not looking to change. No one persuaded me, but God. The change was permanent, I can never go back to what I was before, the knowledge of God never leaves you. It cannot be erased. My conversion happened instantaneous. I was in my room when an awareness swept over me that something was missing. I was drawn to a Bible I had on my bookshelf, and read it and got saved.
How did God persuade you? It sounds like to me you were sitting in your room and suddenly felt like something was missing in your life. You sought for a solution to fix the problem and saw a bible in your book shelf. People know the bible is filled with wisdom and truisms and it is only natural that you would seek this place for answers first. Hence it doesn't sound all that miraculous to me. When I think of God conversions I think of Paul, Moses, and Abraham not epiphanese.
I also think because of your christian up bringing you have been condition to think since childhood that all wonderful human epiphanese come from God.
If God wanted to convert you it would have been a little more miraculous like, a burning bush, a talking rock, a vision, or a blinding light. Has God gone soft on us now? Todays generation has to settle for epiphanese?
This is a presumption on your part. You use it to explain why God doesn't present himself in a way that leaves no room for doubt.
Christ, God whatever, why not be more exact with his methods of communication? I mean "salvation" is a very serious thing to get wrong wouldn't you say?
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I don't think I am being presumptuous. God made his way very clear. Everyone knows what the Cross is all about.
Like the snake on the pole in Moses' day. Those who countenanced it were healed from the serpents, those who didn't, died. God calls us to trust him and to believe, those who do will live, those who don't will die. Yes it is very serious business. No one can afford to get it wrong. Get to know God (through the Bible) and you will learn to trust him and walk with him. Amos 3:3
I felt more like I was drawn to the Bible and then I prayed and knew I had a new life. Before this incident, I only cared about partying and girls. Now I only cared about God. God became my best friend. I've had communion with him and encounters with him and he has spoken to me audibly. God has not gone soft. I have also seen divine healing that have past the test of time.
I suppose the issue I have is that 99% if Christians who believe have not had the encounter such as you describe.
During my tenor as a Christian I have never once heard God audibly or seen a vision. I accepted because I felt a sense of belonging and I was drawn to the ideas of Christianity that I held to be "sacred"; Yet I have never witnessed the presence of God myself. To date I choose to believe what I see not see what I believe. I am no different a man for it.
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souldude81: It's more like 75% of the Christians haven't gone that far with God.
"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jer. 29:13
This is not an easy task, you have to prepare your heart and you have to want it. There is a spiritual battle. The closer you get to God the more the devil will contend with you. He will not give you up without a fight. All I can say is that the scripture is true. It does work.
I understand the human desire to believe in a god but that doesn't mean I accept the Christian God over any other god. There is no proof or even a shred of credible, emperical evidence of his existence. The only evidence of God is the religion itself; the people who profess to follow him. That is the only sign of his existence. You claim to speak with God but I will take an educated guess you created this experience yourself because you needed to have it.
I have been a Christian for too long and I know all the stories we make up in order to create the illusion we are speaking to a higher power. When this illusion is confirmed by an entire body of people, it suddenly becomes real. reality is truly what we make of it. A man thanks he is from the civil war. He dresses like a soldier. To us he is crazy. But what if an entire nation created this illusion. Suddenly it becames reality. He is a pawn in this reality. This reality is still false.
The reason for my departure from Christianity is that I no longer want to be a pawn in some one elses reality. I want it to be ethentically real. Like in the days of Moses and Jesus. I want it to be unquestionably real. I can believe but I want God to do his part too. I DON'T need a bible I need to hear it from the "creator". I DON'T want to let my beliefs dictate what I see. I want, what I see, dictate my beliefs.
souldude81: God and the Bible go hand in hand. God communicates through the Bible. No you don't have to be a member of a Church, but you do have to submit to the teachings of Christ. That comes through reading the gospels. God isn't going to give you some great experience if you are not teachable. "All thy children shall be taught of the Lord and great shall be the peace of thy children." Isa. 54:13
You believe so fervently in all biblical passages?
How about Exodus 21:7 which says it's alright to sell our daughters into slavery. Do you honestly believe that it's alright to do this? I hope you do because it's the word of God and I don't want you to be condemned to hell.
How about Exodus 35:2 which says people working on the sabbath should be put to death? Do you want to stone Doctors, Policemen, Park Rangers, Babysitters, etc.? And if you do, do you still believe he's a merciful God?
That was under the Old testament. That under a Theocracy. Yes, I believe that happened and is true. Now we under the New Testament or Covenant. "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John 1:17
This was illustrated when the woman was caught in adultery and they brought her to Jesus to see if he consent to stoning her. He saved her from the penalty of the law and said to go and sin no more.
How can you reconcile these beliefs? Alright, I'll concede that Jesus was much less fervent in his antihumanism but do you think that every word of the bible was divinely inspired?
Corollary, what do you have to say about the divinity of the Assumption of Mary and the Immaculate Conception which were only dogmatized in 1951 and 1852 respectively? Do you believe in their divinity or do you believe that they were propagandic creations of modern man?
1. Yes, I believe the every word of the Bible is divinely inspired.
2. I do not believe in the divinity of Mary or the Immaculate conception. I grew up Catholic, but after I got saved, the Lord led me to a protestant church where I received sound biblical teaching. I've never gone back to the Catholic church or it's doctrines.
Wow, I had to reply to this "souldude81". Do you mean you don't believe he is who he says he is? Or are you saying there's no evidence the person of Jesus existed? It's your own choice whether you believe he is who he says, but that he didn't exist? There's more historical writings about him (besides the bible) than Ceaser. Of course most basicaly say he was a fraud, but that acknowledge his existance. Most of the worlds calenders are based after his death. (AD) I could go on...
There is no evidence for a historical Jesus. If you do not get this, it is only because you have done no real research on the subject. Christians usually rattle off the same 10 or so pieces of evidence that Jesus was a known historical character, and it is quickly established these works either, say no such thing, or they are blatant forgeries.
Funny how you've already made up your mind that I've not researched. Obviously you've done zero research when you make this weird claim that all christians rattle off 10 pieces of evidence and that anything that mentions him is a forgery. This is not a very intellectual way to aurgue. Seems to me anyone can just say that without presenting something concrete. But it appears to me that no matter what was presented to you, your mind is made up. Hey, you're free to choose.
You are the one that makes claim he is real. The rules of evidence indicates you must supply the evidence for his historical actuality. I have asked Christians to do this and they come up with the same arguments time and time again... I can show you the list if you'd like. It takes only a few moments to google it.
Try and state some evidence and let us see if it isn't on the lists? K?
Rules? Dude, my question was basicaly a yes or no answer and it wasn't to you. You're the one that felt the need to reply to my post with nothing to back it up. But never mind, I don't need to hear the same stuff all over again. Every athiest I've talked to usually rattles off the same 10 or so pieces of evidence not proving Jesus wasn't a known historical character and it becomes immediately evident how meritless and agenda driven thier points are.
However, an atheist does not need to show Jesus existed, or was the son of God, as they are not actually stating a position. They are requiring you to back up your position which is an actual claim of fact by you.
If you come into a store and try and return something, you are making a claim. If I ask for evidence you bought it, like a receipt, I am not stating you didn't. If you do not supply this evidence, I will not return your money. It is your burden show, not mine.
Next, if someone makes a claim something has evidence for it, then that person is the one making the claim. If someone else asks for the evidence, that person is not the person making the claim, but the person asking for evidence of the claim.
I am the one asking for evidence for a claim. I do not need to back up the need for evidence for said claim. How is this hard for you to grasp?
Celestia is great to play with....
You would love Orbiter Space Sim....
robdotcom71 1 week ago
Fucking amazing, man.. Poetry.
supravista 6 months ago
I everyone could see things as Thunderf00t does, there would be no need for religion
Spocktacular96 6 months ago
The scientific view of the universe and our place in it, is more beautiful than the religious one.
It's beauty, it's meaning and purpose, in itself - without absurd religion & superstition.
aboyborninjune 6 months ago 10
@aboyborninjune How do you know religion is Absurd?
ThePuppyTurtle 1 day ago
@ScottyDonahti
poor troll,
try harder
1/10
1bUgHi1 7 months ago
What is that music at #3:30, when the telescope is shown?
CaptainChaos 9 months ago
i hAs teh c0mpUt0RS s0 thEr3 isNT teh g0d
ThePuppyTurtle 9 months ago
talk about casting 'your pearls before swine' - if the jesus character were alive/real, he'd "like" this video. Keep it up Thunderf00t.
highqueue1 10 months ago
I find much more spiritual fulfillment in videos such as these than I ever did in church services.
LordRakton 10 months ago
@CreedChrist Even if a person existed who was Jesus, or was what inspired the Jesus character, that still wouldn't mean he was god or god's son. There were tons of people in that time period who were crucified for claiming to be the messiah. What if one got lucky and was believed?
LordRakton 10 months ago
Thank you Thunderf00t for hinting about the Celestia program here. It's awesome, really helps to visualize our cosmos.
98sibuna 11 months ago
"We stand on the shoulders of giants, and thereby we see further than they"
I love that quote.
BlackMetalWarewolf 1 year ago
Really enjoyed this vid!
Cinthorc 1 year ago
What is the song playing at the beginning called? Anyone?
Guffington 1 year ago
@Guffington I believe it's from the Gladiator soundtrack, 'Now We Are Free' by Hans Zimmer
alexgabr 1 year ago
One of my favorites from THunderf00t. got chills as he explained how precious life is and why one of the most noble things we can do is to pass it on better than before. truly amazing
stoverce 1 year ago
Gotta hand it to the universe, it always puts on a good show. :)
Akira625 1 year ago
I believe we were created.. or designed. By other civilizations. But who created them?.. Well I don't know, but why does that really has to always be the BIG QUESTION if we can't even consider any solution other than creation or chance? How about the aliens what do people think about that?
MrQuitoso 1 year ago
@MrQuitoso It's not about coming up with magical scenarios on how it might have happened. It's about forming a theory, an explanation based upon observable evidence and collected data that best explains all the phenomena. So, for example, if you notice that there's a strange signal coming from all directions at once and is extremely strong, what would you think based only upon that? How would you explain that? How come there's radiation coming from everywhere with no apparent source? Aliens?
majst0r 1 year ago
@MrQuitoso Oh, and BTW the Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with the existence or 'creation' of life. You'll find the best ideas so far on how life originally started by looking up 'abiogenesis'. And if you want to know how we and every other living organism on this planet evolved from those first simple organic molecules, then look up 'Theory of Evolution'. That theory explains all that and is supported by evidence in the form of the fossil record, DNA, geology, ...
majst0r 1 year ago
Atheists still are accountable for knowledge that Jesus rose from the dead. Were it not for this fact, our (Christians) faith would be in vain and we are men most miserable. As a believer in Christ, I'm certainly not ignorant of scientific fact, but I am also not ignorant that it takes faith to believe what I do, and this is based on facts and reason.
steeldustbronze 1 year ago
@steeldustbronze You have proof about the existence and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Publish it immediately and let the world know. Put an end to the riddicule of those evil atheists who call your beliefs 'Bronze Age peasant superstition and mythology'. Before you publish those extraordinary findings, could you please explain how you discovered them? What sources of knowledge do you have available that I don't? This is so fascinating. I finally might become a believer. Don't make me wait!
majst0r 1 year ago
@majst0r considering we have the 4 gospels, and a load of epistles. As well as non-biblical sources as to Jesus's existence(Josephus, Tacitis, Pliny, etc) his historicity cannot be denied. Alexander the Great as less historical information than Jesus and of course you probably believe Alexander existed. There is much written evidence to Christ's resurrection. Not to mention the thousands of miracles of the saints after.
CreedChrist 1 year ago
@CreedChrist //considering we have the 4 gospels, and a load of epistles//
Written decades after the death of Jesus of Nazareth.
//As well as non-biblical sources as to Jesus's existence(Josephus, Tacitis, Pliny, etc) his historicity cannot be denied. //
They wrote waaayyy after his death.
//Alexander the Great as less historical information than Jesus and of course you probably believe Alexander existed//
False. We have many contemporary historians that document Alexander's life.
ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz 11 months ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz your wrong, there are much more documents on Jesus than Alexander the Great. The historical documents of Alexander are much more sparse than the NT. Hence on a historical level, the accounts of Jesus and his existence are actually ABOVE in quality and information when compared to how history was usually written about other people.
CreedChrist 11 months ago
@CreedChrist There are no legitimate accounts of anyone named Jesus from the time of his supposed existence, or from where he was supposed to be. Only anecdotal B.S. story's from your fiction book the bible.
LordMikkell 11 months ago
@LordMikkell there are tons of legitmate accounts. The gospels and ex-biblical writings like Josephus, The Talmud, Pliny, Tacitus, Thallus,and Lucian. Based on how history was written, Jesus's accounts are actually very meticulous and exceptional. Especially when you compare it to other written histories like Alexander the Great, which pales in comparison in information to the gospel. Yet you take Alexander the Greats existence for sure probably.
CreedChrist 11 months ago
@CreedChrist Biblical references don't count as viable evidence for anything. They are just pointless ramblings that you can't rely on.
Furthermore there is more than anecdotal evidence for the life and existence of Alexander The Great.
You can not disprove or refute that he existed. However Jesus of the bible can be and always has been.
The church has been trying to prove him for 2000 years and is still failing at it.
LordMikkell 11 months ago
@LordMikkell there is enormous evidence for Christ. Even people who didn't like Him wrote about Him, like Tacitus and Pliny the Younger. Josephus the historian wrote about Him. The Talmud. Gaius, etc
CreedChrist 10 months ago
@CreedChrist Nope. Still doesn't count. That's just more made up crap.
LordMikkell 10 months ago
@LordMikkell 1000 people could have written about Christ and you would still think it was "made up crap". Problem is if you used the same filter regarding other history, you would think those would have been made up too. But of course, you conveniently only apply it to Christ's history which shows how hypocritical atheists are. Obviously they have very little idea how history was written in 1st century palestine.
CreedChrist 10 months ago
@CreedChrist And there you have it. The insessive implication that Atheists are trying to twist history to suite them. Well guess what buddy. Not one single thing you have said or tried to point to is supportive to the argument that a person, Named Jesus that was born to a woman named Mary, from Nazarene, married to a man named Joseph ever existed.
It's you who wants the history to change to suite you.
And besides. Christ is a title not a name. Get your own beliefs strait before you bash mine.
LordMikkell 10 months ago
@LordMikkell considering I'm talking with someone with thinks Matthew is the oldest Gospel its kinda futile to talk about something with a person who knows barely anything about and can only answer with ad-hominems like "its not true because I say so". Read the first 4 verses of Luke. Does that sound like someone who is just making something up? The Jews were very meticulous for written records.
CreedChrist 10 months ago
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@LordMikkell considering I'm talking with someone with thinks Matthew is the oldest Gospel its kinda futile to talk about something with a person who knows barely anything about and can only answer with ad-hominems like "its not true because I say so". Read the first 4 verses of Luke. Does that sound like someone who is just making something up? The Jews were very meticulous for written records.
CreedChrist 10 months ago
@CreedChrist Tacitus: Wrote about christ 112 years after christs' death. Never met Jesus, never even saw him. Pure hearsay, irrelevant. The same applies to all others you mentioned, it is all hearsay. In addition, most entries you cite talk predominately about THE CHURCH, not christ himself. If I say "Muslims worship allah", that doesn't mean allah really exist. So for a historian to write about christianity doesn't even indicate that christ really existed.
morningstomper123 10 months ago
@morningstomper123 that is how history is written, most documents regarding major figures in history were written after their lives. Compared to other historians the documents of Jesus are actually of a much higher grade compared to other accounts of famous people. Read the beginning of the Gospel of Luke,, does that sounds like someone trying to make up something??
CreedChrist 10 months ago
@CreedChrist Zero contemporaries of christ wrote about him......why was that? You are deluding yourself if you think the proof for jesus is blatant.
The gospel of luke, eh? Can you tell me who wrote the gospel of luke, and when? I hope you don't think luke wrote it, do you?
morningstomper123 10 months ago
@morningstomper123 It sounds like you know little about Church history. There were many contemporaries of Christ who wrote about him, like John, James, Peter, and Matthew. Around A.D 70. Luke was a scribe and doctor of the apostle Paul who wrote the book of Luke and Acts. Just as Mark was a scribe and companion of the Apostle Peter(as also had connections with Paul). You also have the early Fathers like Clement, Ignatius, Linius, Polycarp, etc.
CreedChrist 10 months ago
@CreedChrist So you are using the bible as proof that jesus existed? Nice work. What makes you think that any of the 12 disciples would still be alive 70 plus years after jesus died? That would make them around 100 years old, if not older. The average life expectancy was around 30 back then. And what were they doing for seventy years before they started to write?
morningstomper123 10 months ago
@morningstomper123 St. Paul's writings happened only a decade after Christ's Passion. Mark was written around 50 A.D., only 20 years after the crucifixion. Whereas Alexander the Great's history was written 200 years after his death. Homer's illiad was written also hundreds of years after the sacking of Troy. Compared to other histories the biographies of Christ are actually very good for its time. All of history is written in a slow fashion
CreedChrist 10 months ago
@CreedChrist What a crock. Mathew was the first gospel written, circa 70 A.D. The other three came after. Paul never even met christ, so his testimony is hearsay, and that's a fact, so forget paul. We know matthew was the first gospel written, and mathew would have had to have been around 100 years old to have written it. We know that is bullshit, people didn't live that long. You haven't addressed the issue that none of the gospels could have been written by their attributed authors due time.
morningstomper123 10 months ago
@CreedChrist What a crock. Mathew was the first gospel written, circa 70 A.D. The other three came after. Paul never even met christ, so his testimony is hearsay, and that's a fact, so forget paul. We know matthew was the first gospel written, and mathew would have had to have been around 100 years old to have written it. We know that is bullshit, people didn't live that long. You haven't addressed the issue that none of the gospels could have been written by their attributed authors due to time
morningstomper123 10 months ago
@morningstomper123 It sounds like you are not too bright regarding church history or theology. As most scholars know Mark is the earliest gospel(called the Markan priority). Secondly, if you read Paul's epistles you will know he had contact with many of the apostles, like Peter, John, James, and Phillip. Mark himself was a scribe of Peter's and also traveled with Paul. So please, do some research before making uneducated remarks like that. Try reading eusebius church history for starters.
CreedChrist 10 months ago
@CreedChrist LOL. You're full of shit, and seem to just be accepting the claim that the apostles lived to be 100 plus as a fact? It is impossible, simple as that. You can spit all the poorly rehearsed apologetics and all the pathetic insults you want, you can't negate the fact that the attributed authors of the gospels would have been dead when the gospels were written. Oh yeah by the way, you need to stop using the bible as proof of anything, it's embarrassing.
morningstomper123 10 months ago
@morningstomper123 *sigh*, I seriously cannot debate with someone who doesn't know anything about the Gospels. The gospels were not written after 100 A.D., lol. They range from 50 A.D. - 70 A.D. St. Paul himself died around A.D 60 by Nero, during the time when the gospel writings were starting. And Luke himself already had records of eyewitnesses long before. Try reading the early church fathers who talk about their formation, not atheist rhetoric.
CreedChrist 10 months ago
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@steeldustbronze You have proof about the existence and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Publish it immediately and let the world know. Put an end to the riddicule of those evil atheists who call your beliefs 'Bronze Age peasant superstition' and mythology'. Before you publish those extraordinary findings, could you please explain how you discovered them? What sources of knowledge do you have available that I don't? This is so fascinating. I finally might become a believer. Don't make me wait!
majst0r 1 year ago
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majst0r 1 year ago
i am going to be studying lol not "im not going to be studying lol :/
liam110885 1 year ago
inspired me into starting a course myself with the open univerisity, im not going to be studying physics and astronomy, so really i just wanto to say thankyou for your inspiration and long may you continue inspiring people to the wonders of the universe :)
liam110885 1 year ago
Well I must say I've just subscribed to your YouTube and I'm amazed by your vids. Your knowledge and understanding is outstanding. You are not aggressive to religions, you more pity them in a way of their lack of understanding which is a nice thing to see. I myself have always looked up to the stars from a very young age and been amazed at how small and insignificant we truly are in the bigger picture that is out universe. I am happy to say because of people like yourself have inspired me into
liam110885 1 year ago
Thank you very much for this ride! I have to say that i envy every student of yours, just for havin a teacher who us able to convey knowledge with such enthusiasm!
cuchullynn 1 year ago
this is hypnotic, i love it!
VeritasTruthEmet 1 year ago
the thing i hate about creationist is if they don't understand something they would just say oh god did it i mean do you think the world would still be here if we just said to hard to understand god did it i mean we wouldn't have medicine ,map of the human body, put man on the moon have scientist and all these great things but then again there ignorant.
bboyloco3 1 year ago
Lovely video
bing434 1 year ago
This is Carl Sagen status inspiring. Thunderf00t, you are amazing!
superk13ngreen 1 year ago
what program are you useing to show that rendering of the solar system
silentpoet1988 1 year ago
That was touching! I find the fact of people like You being there really cheering, thank You!!
dekapitacja 1 year ago
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They're eating her, and they're gonna eat me. OH MY GOD!!!!!
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TheTimeTraveler100 1 year ago
Of course it is sad to see people argue this in a modern society; while taking for granted the practical benefits that come from the same scientific method, that they claim to be in a big conspiracy against the bible.
If you want to see this sad rubbish type in geocentralism into the youtube search bar, or google or any search engine on the internet. The bottom line, is that some of the rubbish that some people come outwith sometimes it is so sad and stupid it just isn't even funny.
multicaal2 1 year ago
What Geocentralists refuse to acknowledge is that the heliocentric model which has been in place for the past 400 years perfectly explains the motions and phases of all the planets in the night sky.
If anyone is wondering why I am talking about evidence for the earth's motion, it's because there are some creationists out there that think the the bible says the sun orbits the earth. Therefor, they believe it and actually argue their point with the good old "it's based on assumpions!" argument.
multicaal2 1 year ago
This is probably the coolest Space program i've ever used. Thank you
LeeRLang 1 year ago
i dont get it, who are these people that vote to dislike this video?
thaoval123 1 year ago
I see it! I see a giant oil slick. I see humans bloating their self importance on Youtube. I see humans killing millions for Oil.
I see millions of people starving while others worry about rocks in space.
InsaneGoonRules 1 year ago
"There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on "authority", and science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
Marchawc 1 year ago
Thanks for a great video! Thanks also for the links to the software!
codive 1 year ago
you're very good with that software dude. I downloaded it and can't get it to do what I want at all :P
good work :D
blackbeltjohn63 1 year ago
I love your ability to really make what science is about sound beautifull. for just those few words you temporarily make me appreaciate the human race.
BlackMetalWarewolf 1 year ago
This proves that god ilves on mars.
Praaaaise the laaaawrd!
kirkey99 1 year ago
That was beautiful, thanks for sharing.
icoo44 1 year ago 3
Bravo. Do you come up with your monologues yourself, or do you read form an outside source?
highlender45 1 year ago
Well done Thunderf00t. This was great. Another corker
KeithUnderneath 1 year ago
This was an amazing video. I can't understand why people have disliked this.
noamees 1 year ago
@noamees Because there ignorant little hate breeds. Or creationists. Same thing right?
TheKumby 1 year ago
@TheKumby
Nah. Creationists are worse. :P
noamees 1 year ago
I won't agree when you say about "minds of millions made it possible".
Next to the whole humanity, number of people who actually created something with their mind can hardly even reach few percents. Rest of the human mass are just in fact - users.
KnightOfAnna 1 year ago
too few people are really intrestead in this.. They just go on with their primitive drama lives and live inside their little box.. I'm so happy i'm not alone wondering and watching these kind of vids to learn and understand more.. Thank you Thunderf00t!
Lastesina 1 year ago
@Lastesina
Exactly my thoughts!
noamees 1 year ago
Best video on astronomy
spock431 1 year ago
Dear Thunderf00t, please write a book on such topics! You have a brilliant mind, it would be a waste to keep on posting videos here where it can only be accessed by a limited amount of people.
dycarbon1 1 year ago
@dycarbon1 Pretty sure Youtube is a better way to access millions of people than print.
aronchai 1 year ago
@aronchai
6.8 billion people on the planet,
of which 365 million own a computer,
of which 25 million use YouTube.
dycarbon1 1 year ago
@dycarbon1 Yeah, and how many of those billions of people would rather spend money on an obscure book than watch youtube videos for free?
aronchai 1 year ago
@aronchai
How the hell is YouTube free? You need to pay for the internet AND a computer. Geez, I wonder how many people would rather spend money on an obscure book!
dycarbon1 1 year ago
@dycarbon1 Well, for the people that already own computers, finding these videos is fairly easy, and once they find the videos they are more likely to watch them than to spend money on a book that they aren't even sure they will like. Also, making and distributing content on the internet is extremely cheap and easy compared to writing and publishing a book.
aronchai 1 year ago
Great video
beeDUB75 1 year ago
Man.
This is exactly the reason I find astronomy so interesting.
Thank you very much TF00t
jxvwp 1 year ago
british accent pisses me off
muaytb1 1 year ago
@muaytb1 You're unbelievably simple-minded.
noamees 1 year ago
The music..mixed with your speech at 3:05ish...sooooo epic
talset2480 1 year ago
Can anybody tell me what song Tf00t uses at 3:05 ?
jxvwp 1 year ago
@jxvwp
I'm not sure what it's called but it's the main theme to the film Gladiator.
DasUberCow 1 year ago
@DasUberCow
Thanks.
jxvwp 1 year ago
@chrisuk19yootube
Whatever you want to hear.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
its true, its fact, its beautiful. to undestand and kno the truth. revealed truth shedding light where was once darkness and superstition.
adzug 1 year ago 8
thanks for telling us the program. I just downloaded that Celestia thing and I was BLOWN AWAY. It is absolutely amazing. I still don't know how to use all of it, but its awesome so far.
KittyRokher 1 year ago 5
I have a theory on black holes, most imagine them as disks that suck things into them like a drain, but what if they were in fact spherical, since we cannot yet perceive a black hole in 3d. My point is this, what if the reason for every planet and every stars gravitational pull is due to these black holes being a part of the make up of these celestial objects, pulling materials towards it and compacting them into the spherical objects we see in space today. I have heard many other possibilities.
guyfromdubai 1 year ago
yup they are quite possibly spherical it would make sense with what we know about celestial formations.
Bobajobimus 1 year ago
Well from what I understand the black holes themselves are just an infinitesimal point, a singularity and we only see them as larger than this because any light that gets into its gravity well gets suck into the singularity but take my words with a grain of salt because i have never formally learned very much about astronomy.
bowser956 1 year ago
@guyfromdubai
@guyfromdubai
1)"Ring or disk shape" The Accretion disk.
2)"Black hole" The Spherical dark area within the disk.
3)"Singularity" The matter causing the gravitation.
1) Is the material falling inward and being superheated by friction to the point that it emits x-rays.
2) Is spherical, But this is just the area within the event horizon.
3) Is the heart of the black hole. It's believed to be minute point weighing from 2.7 to billions of Suns.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
However a certain amount of mass is needed for a black hole to form. That's between 1.7~2.7 Solar masses. Lighter than this, and a neutron star or dwarf star is formed.
Since the earth and planets all fall far below this minimum mass, they cannot contain black holes. Nor can a Star become a black hole until it has fused all it's nuclear fuel into Iron. The fusion is what stops the Star from collapsing.
If any of these things did contain a black hole, they would be destroyed.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
well done
fallbread 2 years ago
one of the best tf vids imo
loyesj 2 years ago
Magical.
TechnomancerMorhion 2 years ago
Really really well done :)
bushonomics 2 years ago
Our duty as humans is to maintain the future of our species and the knowledge we have collected. In this current age, we should focus on making planetary colonization possible, because once we're able to move about space as we will, our species will become nearly immortal. However, as long as we remain trapped on this rock, our fate could be judged by billions upon billions of potentially dangerous events. We're so close... all we need to do is reach farther while we still can.
EdikShepherd 2 years ago 3
That was beautiful
nycwiseguy91 2 years ago
Our universe, so beautiful, so mysterious, it freaks me out!. There are a lots of difficult questions regarding our universe. some may even never be answered! Sad!
saleall 2 years ago
It's almost as good as Carl Sagan. :p
RichhhR 2 years ago
BLASPHEMER! :D
googoo120 2 years ago
Thanks, Thunderf00t! I'm looking out the window at the night sky, trying to understand the perspective. The world definitely feels different thinking about it this way.
t34b34n 2 years ago
Thunderfoot, I sincerely appreciate you're recognition of the intrinsic beauty of the universe without reference to a 'loving creator' and your recognition of the fact that one doesn't need a religion to find 'meaning' of life in this universe. Thank you.
faiserhosen 2 years ago 2
You spelled "satellite" "satallite" in the description!!!
kspencerg 2 years ago
You're not going to get any hits for your site by spamming this video. People aren't that stupid here. May I suggest a channel under the name of VenomFangX?
Sh0nin 2 years ago
This an awe-inspiring video, thunderf00t. Thank you for your videos!
MrWajax 2 years ago
Wow.
It hasn't even loaded.
I've made it through two lines in the description. And I'm in love.
THANKS!
I'm going to get this shit, NOW.
HashyBee 2 years ago
Nice reference to Carl Sagan
HustlinFlo 2 years ago
Truly awesome and inspiring. I honestly can't understand how any religious person can accuse us of only seeing emptiness. I think they haven't looked far enough.
werdnativ 2 years ago 2
I often play "god" with celestia... :D
Acrimonator 2 years ago 2
Very well narrated.
akallabror 2 years ago 15
awsome vid Tf00t wish there were more people on youtube like you ;)
IILazerBladeII 2 years ago 3
Awesome. Who says scientists are uninspirational? You make our jobs sound even cooler than they are. Thanks!
TheReadingApe 2 years ago
Awesome, just...awesome.
PaperSoapy 2 years ago 2
Whether or not Jesus was a true historical figure is moot. The fact is that creationists choose to ignore some scientific facts and twist others to fit into their theory. It goes along with my theory that religious zealots tend to wear blinders for everything they do. They focus on insignificant facts and untruths while ignoring information that is right in front of them which clearly refutes the creationist theory. Remember-ignorance is a choice.
obstaclecorse 2 years ago 55
you tellthe reality apart from my research ,and your videos satfied my mind and my haert, thanks
nauta51 2 years ago
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Amazing stuff Thunderf00t.
kevV85 2 years ago
I got chills :3
HBanana55 2 years ago
This is amazingly inspirational and awe-inspiring.
Thank you.
NekoMouser 2 years ago
Can't figure out how to work it : /
killallianceftw 2 years ago
last week Venus was so bright i could take it's picture with my crappy camera phone
thisis3d 2 years ago
thanks for the Celestia link
mabhekaphansi 2 years ago
5/5 great job!
AndrewM4C3 2 years ago
Beautiful presentation. I enjoy contemplating the size of things. This reminds me of when I watched Carl Sagan on cosmos. He possessed a yearning for knowledge that was contagious to the viewer. Thank you, very eloquent.
grits011 2 years ago
Celestia is an amazing piece of software. The fact that its easily receptive to data additions makes it that much more excellent.
shawnsonium 2 years ago
does the sun not bend the light waves passing by it so venus behind the sun (would be visible) yet part of the orbit were it should be visible we could not see it. or am I way off base on this?
taiming71 2 years ago
The gravitational lensing effect of the sun as seen from Earth is so infinitessimally small as to have essentially no bearing on our view of Venus. The effect (bending) is readily observable only with powerful telescopes viewing light passing near extremely massive distant objects such as galaxies, galaxy clusters, enormous black holes, or quasars, etc..
egalitarianist 2 years ago
How long have you been a believer?
souldude81 2 years ago
I've believed in God all my life, but about 30 years ago, when I was 17, I had a new-life-in-Christ experience. I got saved, born-again or what ever you want to call it. God initiated a personal relationship with me and cleaned me up spiritually so I could converse with him. Yes, it was the most amazing thing that ever happened to me I am still amazed at how wonderful God is today. Even though I always believed, I didn't really "know" God till I got saved.
biblethink 2 years ago
So what? I don't care. Now we have another navel-gazing believer who is only concerned with his imagined eternity. Big fucking deal.
uuunderground 2 years ago
LOL, of course most people on this channel don't care, I was merely answering a question posed by souldude81.
biblethink 2 years ago
I mean no disrespect here, I am just wondering why you think it was God who changed you instead of you?
People have the ability to make changes to their lives when they decide to.
souldude81 2 years ago
souldude81. I know it was God who changed me and not myself because my conversion happened in a moment when I was by myself and not looking to change. No one persuaded me, but God. The change was permanent, I can never go back to what I was before, the knowledge of God never leaves you. It cannot be erased. My conversion happened instantaneous. I was in my room when an awareness swept over me that something was missing. I was drawn to a Bible I had on my bookshelf, and read it and got saved.
biblethink 2 years ago
How did God persuade you? It sounds like to me you were sitting in your room and suddenly felt like something was missing in your life. You sought for a solution to fix the problem and saw a bible in your book shelf. People know the bible is filled with wisdom and truisms and it is only natural that you would seek this place for answers first. Hence it doesn't sound all that miraculous to me. When I think of God conversions I think of Paul, Moses, and Abraham not epiphanese.
souldude81 2 years ago
I also think because of your christian up bringing you have been condition to think since childhood that all wonderful human epiphanese come from God.
If God wanted to convert you it would have been a little more miraculous like, a burning bush, a talking rock, a vision, or a blinding light. Has God gone soft on us now? Todays generation has to settle for epiphanese?
souldude81 2 years ago
God wants people to focus on his Son. He will not use talking rocks or burning bushes to convert people. Paul's blinding light was Christ himself.
biblethink 2 years ago
This is a presumption on your part. You use it to explain why God doesn't present himself in a way that leaves no room for doubt.
Christ, God whatever, why not be more exact with his methods of communication? I mean "salvation" is a very serious thing to get wrong wouldn't you say?
souldude81 2 years ago
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I don't think I am being presumptuous. God made his way very clear. Everyone knows what the Cross is all about.
Like the snake on the pole in Moses' day. Those who countenanced it were healed from the serpents, those who didn't, died. God calls us to trust him and to believe, those who do will live, those who don't will die. Yes it is very serious business. No one can afford to get it wrong. Get to know God (through the Bible) and you will learn to trust him and walk with him. Amos 3:3
biblethink 2 years ago
I felt more like I was drawn to the Bible and then I prayed and knew I had a new life. Before this incident, I only cared about partying and girls. Now I only cared about God. God became my best friend. I've had communion with him and encounters with him and he has spoken to me audibly. God has not gone soft. I have also seen divine healing that have past the test of time.
biblethink 2 years ago
I suppose the issue I have is that 99% if Christians who believe have not had the encounter such as you describe.
During my tenor as a Christian I have never once heard God audibly or seen a vision. I accepted because I felt a sense of belonging and I was drawn to the ideas of Christianity that I held to be "sacred"; Yet I have never witnessed the presence of God myself. To date I choose to believe what I see not see what I believe. I am no different a man for it.
souldude81 2 years ago 3
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souldude81: It's more like 75% of the Christians haven't gone that far with God.
"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jer. 29:13
This is not an easy task, you have to prepare your heart and you have to want it. There is a spiritual battle. The closer you get to God the more the devil will contend with you. He will not give you up without a fight. All I can say is that the scripture is true. It does work.
biblethink 2 years ago
I understand the human desire to believe in a god but that doesn't mean I accept the Christian God over any other god. There is no proof or even a shred of credible, emperical evidence of his existence. The only evidence of God is the religion itself; the people who profess to follow him. That is the only sign of his existence. You claim to speak with God but I will take an educated guess you created this experience yourself because you needed to have it.
souldude81 2 years ago 3
I have been a Christian for too long and I know all the stories we make up in order to create the illusion we are speaking to a higher power. When this illusion is confirmed by an entire body of people, it suddenly becomes real. reality is truly what we make of it. A man thanks he is from the civil war. He dresses like a soldier. To us he is crazy. But what if an entire nation created this illusion. Suddenly it becames reality. He is a pawn in this reality. This reality is still false.
souldude81 2 years ago 4
The reason for my departure from Christianity is that I no longer want to be a pawn in some one elses reality. I want it to be ethentically real. Like in the days of Moses and Jesus. I want it to be unquestionably real. I can believe but I want God to do his part too. I DON'T need a bible I need to hear it from the "creator". I DON'T want to let my beliefs dictate what I see. I want, what I see, dictate my beliefs.
souldude81 2 years ago 4
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souldude81: God and the Bible go hand in hand. God communicates through the Bible. No you don't have to be a member of a Church, but you do have to submit to the teachings of Christ. That comes through reading the gospels. God isn't going to give you some great experience if you are not teachable. "All thy children shall be taught of the Lord and great shall be the peace of thy children." Isa. 54:13
biblethink 2 years ago
You believe so fervently in all biblical passages?
How about Exodus 21:7 which says it's alright to sell our daughters into slavery. Do you honestly believe that it's alright to do this? I hope you do because it's the word of God and I don't want you to be condemned to hell.
How about Exodus 35:2 which says people working on the sabbath should be put to death? Do you want to stone Doctors, Policemen, Park Rangers, Babysitters, etc.? And if you do, do you still believe he's a merciful God?
LazyIrish829 2 years ago 2
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That was under the Old testament. That under a Theocracy. Yes, I believe that happened and is true. Now we under the New Testament or Covenant. "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John 1:17
This was illustrated when the woman was caught in adultery and they brought her to Jesus to see if he consent to stoning her. He saved her from the penalty of the law and said to go and sin no more.
biblethink 2 years ago
How can you reconcile these beliefs? Alright, I'll concede that Jesus was much less fervent in his antihumanism but do you think that every word of the bible was divinely inspired?
Corollary, what do you have to say about the divinity of the Assumption of Mary and the Immaculate Conception which were only dogmatized in 1951 and 1852 respectively? Do you believe in their divinity or do you believe that they were propagandic creations of modern man?
Answer as many as you like (are able to).
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
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1. Yes, I believe the every word of the Bible is divinely inspired.
2. I do not believe in the divinity of Mary or the Immaculate conception. I grew up Catholic, but after I got saved, the Lord led me to a protestant church where I received sound biblical teaching. I've never gone back to the Catholic church or it's doctrines.
biblethink 2 years ago
@biblethink
Oh Shut UP!!
I get better meaning from a manga than that crap
akumaten 2 years ago 2
@souldude81
deep
akumaten 2 years ago
""When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion" - Robert Pirsig
SomaXu 2 years ago 37
Wow, I had to reply to this "souldude81". Do you mean you don't believe he is who he says he is? Or are you saying there's no evidence the person of Jesus existed? It's your own choice whether you believe he is who he says, but that he didn't exist? There's more historical writings about him (besides the bible) than Ceaser. Of course most basicaly say he was a fraud, but that acknowledge his existance. Most of the worlds calenders are based after his death. (AD) I could go on...
ricadrew 2 years ago
ricadrew...
There is no evidence for a historical Jesus. If you do not get this, it is only because you have done no real research on the subject. Christians usually rattle off the same 10 or so pieces of evidence that Jesus was a known historical character, and it is quickly established these works either, say no such thing, or they are blatant forgeries.
Lagomort 2 years ago 2
Funny how you've already made up your mind that I've not researched. Obviously you've done zero research when you make this weird claim that all christians rattle off 10 pieces of evidence and that anything that mentions him is a forgery. This is not a very intellectual way to aurgue. Seems to me anyone can just say that without presenting something concrete. But it appears to me that no matter what was presented to you, your mind is made up. Hey, you're free to choose.
ricadrew 2 years ago
You are the one that makes claim he is real. The rules of evidence indicates you must supply the evidence for his historical actuality. I have asked Christians to do this and they come up with the same arguments time and time again... I can show you the list if you'd like. It takes only a few moments to google it.
Try and state some evidence and let us see if it isn't on the lists? K?
Lagomort 2 years ago 2
Rules? Dude, my question was basicaly a yes or no answer and it wasn't to you. You're the one that felt the need to reply to my post with nothing to back it up. But never mind, I don't need to hear the same stuff all over again. Every athiest I've talked to usually rattles off the same 10 or so pieces of evidence not proving Jesus wasn't a known historical character and it becomes immediately evident how meritless and agenda driven thier points are.
ricadrew 2 years ago
I am not an atheist.
However, an atheist does not need to show Jesus existed, or was the son of God, as they are not actually stating a position. They are requiring you to back up your position which is an actual claim of fact by you.
If you come into a store and try and return something, you are making a claim. If I ask for evidence you bought it, like a receipt, I am not stating you didn't. If you do not supply this evidence, I will not return your money. It is your burden show, not mine.
Lagomort 2 years ago 2
Store? Buy? Return? Receipt? HUH???
Umm, and what makes say I'm a christian?
I'll try one last time. It was YOU that responded to me first. It's you that needs to back up your position. Get it?
ricadrew 2 years ago
For one, I didn't call you a Christian...
Next, if someone makes a claim something has evidence for it, then that person is the one making the claim. If someone else asks for the evidence, that person is not the person making the claim, but the person asking for evidence of the claim.
I am the one asking for evidence for a claim. I do not need to back up the need for evidence for said claim. How is this hard for you to grasp?
Lagomort 2 years ago 3
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