GenIII story part 1.

[jdcmusicman]

Actually the Tero style cell , I call it a drycell are very simple to build and simple to maintain, and are very efficient in making gas and are electrically efficient and superior to any open bath cell I have seen or built my self and can be run for hrs on in with no heat problems when it is setup in a 4n configuration..I have a 16 plate 6"x6" unit in my car. The unit is only 2 1/4" thick and it can fit in places an open bath cell cannot..

[EletrikRide]

Can it make 12LPM? This one will.

[jdcmusicman]

Possibly with the same amount of plates you are using ...

[EletrikRide]

Then it wont be quite as small as you have it now. I have 94 plates.

[jdcmusicman]

that is true , I plan sometime in the future to build a Dry cell with 101 plates...I would like to pump bout 10 lpm in my car ,see if helps anymore than what I am doing now..I'm 1 1/2 LPM and getting 7 extra mpg in my nissan..

[EletrikRide]

That's AWESOME. Nice job. Do you also use an EFIE?

[jdcmusicman]

No I have not use an EFIE or map/maf enhancer.Its took me a while get those result, I am on my 4th cell in my car,first one was really small,didnt get any gains or loses with it,then made a pipe one,lost bout 3 mpg with .Then the 3rd was a switch plate one with 800ml hho ran it on a seperate battery & got 4 mpg gain ,now i have the 6x6 16 plate drycell doing 1.5 lpm and and supplementing some of the power drawn with a 2nd battery and have an average of 7mpg gain been testing for bout 3000 miles

[EletrikRide]

What do you attest to these varying results?

[jdcmusicman]

I believe is mostly due to the drag/load put on the alternator,the reason I say this because 1st unit I really dont know, it didnt work I quit with it, then the 2nd unit I was drawing 22 amps getting only 500 ml per min.The 3rd i only got gains when it was not hooked to the car system. The 4th I believe I am making enough gas to accommodate the amp draw and get some gain.From all my test I believe the biggest problem with hho is the amp draw.

[EletrikRide]

That makes sense to me - I have observed the same characteristics.

[jdcmusicman]

I am currently working on a recharging system to keep the extra battery charged and be able to run my newest unit completely of it..From all the my test,I really believe (on my car anyway)That the drag on the motor from the amp draw is the biggest culprit..

[markmil2002]

The amp draw is definitely a problem. I f i disconnect my HHO hose I only get 28 MPG which is a loss of 10 MPG. That's why I have become so interested in using deep cycles. I honestly believe that without and modifitications Deep Cycles could easily take me into the 60+ range on my car. Seventy if I add more plates, which 5 of my 6 cells still need more plates. I am building mine as I go. I hope to get it 30 plates per series cell. I am also making a sid cell too, just to experiment.

[jdcmusicman]

How many LPM are you pumping in ya car?

[markmil2002]

Right now it's 2 LPM at 12 amps. 53 MPG with HHO hooked up. I have found 12 amps to be the most efficient based on watts/Liter of HHO. This will change once I start using deep cycle batteries. I plan on doing 20 amps with batteries that will last through ten hours of straight driving Possibly two batteries connected in series.

[jdcmusicman]

how many plates are you using thats alot of gas for 12 amps

[markmil2002]

It's not so much the number of plates, but the size of the plates. I have six cells, wired in series, and 1 cell has 10 2"x30" plates. Another has 10 4"x4" plates, eventually 30 plates, and the rest have 10 2"x6" plates, but soon to be 20. With all of this plate area, it's easy to get a high hho output. I plan on getting up to 8-10 LPM eventually.

[laughalotapus]

I was curious on installing a second alternator

and battery would this help with current draw?

Also does aluminum have bad reactions with

sodium hydroxide solution. For heat issues I want to install a small radiator like something

you would see for a tranny but they only seem to have aluminum radiators.

[EletrikRide]

Yes that would help, but stay away from AL.  You dont want to contaminate your cell. AL gets consumed in the reaction.

[markmil2002]

I was thinking about installing a more efficient alternator. I need to find someone to make custom brackets though. I saw a 200 amp alternator that I was thinking about trying out though.

[EletrikRide]

Brakets are easy, i could make up some if I was there in fron of the vehicle.

[EletrikRide]

Those are some good results!

[markmil2002]

One thing that I found, (note that it is only test on three small values and on nothing above 2 LPM of HHO) is that 8 LPM on a 1.4L Engine should bring you to about 80% efficiency. I would say 10 LPM just because nothing is perfectly efficient. This is based on a graph I made, but it isn't accurate yet until I test it at other larger values to get a more accurate exponential curve. It is also based on 90 LPM being 100 percent efficiency, which may also be innacurate. Agian, mainly theory.

[jdcmusicman]

not a bad theory

[markmil2002]

I've done the 6 seperate cell thing with just six separate two plate cells and the results are magnificent. My only complaint is that it took a ton more KOH to get the amperage up, but it makes sense since there is less voltage to heat up the water. The next thing that I am going to experiment with is using thicker plates, like deep cell batteries, to see what kind of output I get. It wouldn't make a difference on a Boyce Electrolyzer, but on a 6 cell wet cell I think it might.

[EletrikRide]

The thickness of the plates is not relevant, so stay thin to keep it light and small. It's all about surface area. I also noticed much more NaOH needed.

[john29302]

and a triple dip. cell is mass producable. cut half cost down already, but still...who got plates...10 billion people out there and 1 mad scientist worth his salt (yawn) wheres the 316 at? again i must declare a moratorium on bad science my eyeballs are still damaged but now i can mass produce. do a hit on jakarta times hho story last week. whole province is like 70% hho booster crazy man! govinment is behind the little brown people. we send our jobs to them now they been smacked!

[john29302]

my head is still a mystery. found out power supplies will mislead the piss out of a dummy like me. variacs cannot be rectified and filtered. they will always have ac on the dc until you have isolation. my car is what i had to test it on. mcm has 40 amp 13.8v triplett for 189 bucks etc.battery chargers have too much ripple...need to modify mine. contamination. what a topic. yes...boyce wasnt beatn his teeth up it will be anomaly hell when say latex or wet silicone or finger oil acid etc haha

[john29302]

i just got thru the same literature verbatim and also thought proccess. this stuff took a2 months of tesla and henry ford type stanima haha i won! i have a shoddy put together 14 cell 4.5" by 8.25 blank wall plates. problem is they are chinese and spittin out gobs of floaties and carbon galore. chinks seem to have sent real ss but must be grade 301. that is less than 18/8. anyways design is killer and right there one revelation away from you gettin your thunder stolen..but mmw of 9after 10tests

[EletrikRide]

I'm not having the gunk issue. This cell is already finished I just have not posted the vid yet.

[tomwalters]

Smack, having trouble viewing this video. It stops just as you start talking about the six pack. Also getting echo sound.

[EletrikRide]

The issue is on your end

[hovers1]

Smack,

Have you thought of the possibility to use a standard battery configuration that would be the base for your 6-7 spacing configuration?

The sandard battery has overcome the problems of heating, current, maintnance etc. If we could modify the internals to allow production of Hydroxy by converting the plates to stainless and adding the solution we would bypass many hurdles.

[EletrikRide]

I just did that

[AlmostHydrogen]

hey Smack, thanks for posting your results (good, bad & indifferent).

Its only when we test & post our results, no matter what they are, can we help each other save time & money. On the bright side, if each of us does this, it will lessen the learning curve for others & advance this technology.

Keep up the good work & keep it real.

AH

[delvis11]

hello smack. i dont want to bug you but i was so excited about the ranger smack and i have been waiting patiently to hear from you in a new video. you installed a new gas tank. what are your mileage results for the ranger?

thanks

[EletrikRide]

Results pending this newer design. I'm not using the 6 pack anymore for the reasons explained

[delvis11]

oh, ok....

[babyella07]

Can't wait to see where you'll be in a couple more years down the line, it's only a matter of time until someone cracks this thing wide open. Great stuff.

[herrdocta]

Appreciate as always your thoughts , ideas and hands on the theme. This could be a masterpiece, but Bro the first words of these presentation where a kind of disapointing , as i saw each and every vid you posted, always proud about the product always 100% behind its workmanship... well here you say " too many issues, leakages, too complicated setup etc " you should have skiped on that to keep your word worth . Rock on

[EletrikRide]

No no no. Honesty is paramount. The six pack was a pain and to ignore this fact would be unfair. This is science and science is non judgmental, and it is my duty to you all to report it as accurately as possible. Besides, the Six Pack was a prototype, not a final product. My workmanship was top notch, the design was just to intricate for easy maintinence. Not everything I test works out as well as hoped. That is why my stuff gets better and better and better.

[sdmike2]

Hey smack. I have done six seperate containers. each one containing a two plate spiral cell. I ran into a problem of not enough current draw. Any more than 3 containers in series and the production and current draw sucked. even when adding tons of baking soda to each container, I couldn't get enough current. Maybe sodium hydroxide will work better. Just letting you know my experience.

[EletrikRide]

So far I have been able to draw 40 amps just to start. NEVER USE BAKING SODA!!!!!!!