Theres lots a reasons why not to declaw ur cat BUT THE MAIN ONE IS for me what if one day she runs and get lost or i die and she is left in the street WHATEVER the reason if one day shes on her own i would want her to be able to protect her self THINK LONG TERM and whats best for ur animal NOT suitable for u think people
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DECLAWINGdotCOM (has everything you need to know about this subject).
EVEN BETTER than trimming is a new product called "Soft Paws" (SOFTPAWSdotCOM). They are these protective rubber (or something like rubber) caps that fit perfectly & neatly over the cats nails. They don't look big & goofy- they actually just look like the cats regular nails, BUT THEY COME IN VARIOUS CUTE COLORS!!!
Cut them halfway between the sharp tip & where the pink quick ends- the pink quick ends at about the center of the nail, so you're only cutting about 1/4 (25%) of the tip off AT THE MOST. Any shorter is too dangerous...
I HIGHLY recommend first doing some research for tips on how to do it right.. Also, you can just take him/her to a professional groomer to have them safely trimmed.
First off, you GENTLY squeeze the center of the paw, causing the nails to fully extend outward. Now, look for the pinkish area at the end connecting the nail to the finger. This is called the "quick", & YOU MUST AVOID CUTTING THIS AREA AS IT IS FULL OF HIGHLY SENSITIVE NERVES!
You CAN just trim them- but like dogs, they do have VERY SENSTIVE nerves extending into their nails. So you need to know what you're doing & be VERY careful!
This practice is illegal in 22 different countries around the globe, & there are efforts to make it illegal in at least certain U.S. states. How can any sane, sensible & compassionate person want it to remain legal once they truly understand what it's actually all about?....
[DISCLAIMER: This is not medical advice to be followed without medical consultation. I am just sharing the facts I have learned from working with pets & researching this subject.]
Contrary to what declaw-practicing veterinarians may tell you, the procedure is an EXTREMELY serious surgery. It not only involves removing the nails, BUT ALSO THE FIRST SEGMENT OF BONE THEY ARE ATTACHED TO! It is NO different that a Human having the tips of their fingers sliced off, all the way down to where the finger first bends! So we're talking about 10 different amputations!
I don't Think People realize how terribly torturous & inhumane this practice is...
Sure, go ahead and brush me aside as some over-sensitive nutjob; but unless you're some psychopath who lacks the ability to feel empathy towards pets & Humans, you REALLY need to know the Truth about declawing...
One more comment: Do you notice that the sick vets who put up videos on methods for declawing rarely allow for comments? I suppose they're tired of being reviled as abusers and called every name that's NOT in the book.
I declawed my kitten because he was scratching my children. I don't care who don't like it; angry people don't pay me... So I don't pay them attention! Declaw for your children : )
@JoAnna33881 Hey you're right. Declawing is for your children. You should declaw them! Or even better, teach your little brats how to behave around cats. My shelter doesn't adopt kittens to families with young children. Why the heck did you get a kitten? Just felt like torturing something?
as much as i agree with not declawing cats, this song was just hysterical....it sounds like it popped out of reading rainbow or a kids show of some sort. Oh 80-90s....you sound so terrible XD
this is fu**in cruel! how would you like it if I cut all ends of you feet anf toes?? if I ever see anyone do this ild loose it. whats the point in having a cut to love when you put them through all this torture and pain? good job I dont know these owners!!!
When hearing that song, I honestly felt like crying, because it's a shame that declawing is still practiced in this country for an owner's convenience.
@jaegercat animals eat grass and other plants when there stomach hurts, that why I was asking, lol dont know why though, i tryed it when i was a little kid and I felt the same, but then again I did not have a stomach ache xD
I stopped watching there. I don't have a cat, but I do have type 1 diabetes, which is basically mother nature's way of saying I should be DEAD right now; my body destroyed its own insulin-producing cells, and it is only because the insulin could be replaced (thanks to human technology) that I could survive.
The notion that "nature is always right" implies that I should stop using insulin and die of ketoacidosis. Would you say that I should?
@neoYTPism Two points that you've missed - 1 is that you take insulin for medical reasons. There is no medical reason to declaw a cat. 2 is that as inappropriate as their comment may be, I can't see where @chetnyoff3 is personally responding to you.
"There is no medical reason to declaw a cat." - nupthatisit
... except for avoiding the infections that would likely result from the cat scratching you.
Oh, and the point remains that IF "mother nature" was the finest teacher, then that would include EVERYTHING that is natural, INCLUDING type 1 diabetes. You can`t have it both ways.
Also, my comment notification message said that chetneyoff3`s comment was a reply to mine.
@neoYTPism That is not a medical reason to declaw. I've owned cats for 30 years, since I was 9, not one of my cats have ever been declawed, and not just because it's illegal in this country, but most people here, like myself, find the practice abhorable. Cats biting can actually lead to more serious infectious illnesses, and evidence shows declawed cats resort to biting due to losing a primary source of defense and I tell you what, I'd rather be scratched than bitten.
@neoYTPism Furthermore, while I agree with you that the line "Mother nature is the finest teacher" is lame and not relevant, your argument of comparing an illness to a mutation body is also flawed, in that you are controlling an illness (which as yet has no known cause, whether it be environmental or genetic) through medical intervention. The practice of declawing cats provides no medical intervention for the cat and is done purely for the convenience of the owner.
Well, my initial comment... the one you were responding to... was in response to said line about mother nature. So if you agree that the line is lame, you pretty much agree with my point, as I was not taking sides on the declawing issue one way or another. @nupthatisit
As for the medical aspect, I already stated how that is relevant.
@neoYTPism I agree the line is lame, but your argument is weak. I agree the line is lame because to agree with that line would mean thinking is desexing is wrong, and I'm pro desexing. Medical conditions happen, sometimes it's nature, sometimes it's not. But declawing a cat purely for non-medical purposes to convene the owner is in my opinion barbaric and unnecessary, and I believe vets who perform it are acting unethically.
If a cat is so badly raised that it will scratch you, then it will probably also bite. Your argument is invalid, unless you're also suggesting deteething?
You may also want to google "strawman argument". The diabetes comment is a pretty good example of one.
I agree, she looks a bit like a Van, but she was adopted off the street and is probably mutli-generation feral. And she doesn't like water :). She's from Singapore, so if there's any purebred genes in her, it's more likely to be those of the Japanese Bobtail.
@Timontim02 is it a purebreed? Are you a registered breeder? If you're not experienced in keeping entire male cats, you'd be in for a shock. Male entires will spray around the house, and if you're going to let him roam, he'd impregnate any females around your neighbourhood, including ferals. That's why I'd say not responsible, because it would just be continuing to add to feral and unwanted cat populations. Not meaning to have a go, just letting you know consequences, that's all
We found her body on a sidewalk when we got home and buried it in our backyard. My cousin apologized and it was rough for me and my parents. So we got a new one and got a scratching post for him. He's happy and he loves to live with us. And we also trained him to not scratch up the furniture. So don't declaw a cat.
Yeah! Do declaw a cat! One of my old cats died because she was declawed. When she was declawed, we knew she will be defenseless so we always would leave her inside comfortably with good shelter, but one day my cousin let her outside when he was cat sitting my cat. She was in heat so she had to got outside. Then I guess she was killed by a couple of kids or cats.
@allisterw9 Well, if a cat decides to declaw herself I promise you I am not going to stop her. Declawing a cat is like forcing a pregnant woman to have an abortion (since you used this example). Get it now?
Actually, I lied, my cats ARE destructive, just not with their claws. They like to chase each other and smash into things and knock everything off any countertop. ;)
Declaw wouldn't fix that though, so I just keep them clipped so they don't inadvertently scratch me from harsh play.
Some cats are found as ferals and behavioral changes are VERY difficult and redirection is not always possible if the cat is already 6mnths+ old. My coworker's cat also tore my arm up trying to apply soft paws
And for those that say cats need their claws for living outdoors, you are correct. But they should never be allowed outside.
Cats are a native species only to Egypt where they were domesticated and spread by the roman empire and SE Asia.
They are wrecking havoc on native ecosystems and in the UK alone account for over 100 million song bird deaths (many of which are endangered or on watch) which fill an important niche in their environment.
And one more thing, spend less timing pretending you can sing, and more time disciplining your cats so they don't fuck up your plants and end up eating them and throwing them up on your rug later.
@DumbDuck44 Cats use their front paws for walking. Can they use paws properly if parts of them are missing? I think a human lost his fingertips would be happy to get them back as they were because we need them for exact work with hands.
The reason our cats have lost their sex organs isn't just preventing them urinating inproper places etc but also prevent unwanted kittens to be born. There are homeless cats all over the world, even where I live so there is no reason to make more of them.
@Belgiter Again, please look into declaw procedures. Even the most invasive (although IMO most safe) procedure removes only the dystal phalanx. This is completely retracted during normal locomotion. If it were not, the claw would be damaged, dulled, and get caught on things.
Yes, thank you captain obvious, but we could do a FAR safer and less invasive vasectomy (can be done san scalpel now) and tubular litigation rather than a complete castration and hysterectomy, just like in people.
@Belgiter The reason we don't do a simple quick vasectomy which humans can report is nearly pain free and you can return to work the same day, versus the two days of healing required for complete castration and hormone deficiency that creates is because a male cat with testes will become more muscular, more aggressive, and want to escape the house to find females, and will howl constantly when not allowed to do so. This makes for a poor pet.
@DumbDuck44 IMO declawing is pure vanity of humans, were any "supergadgets" used or not for the operation, and that is why I'm very happy it's illegal in my country.
Cats aren't humans and their hormonal action must differ from ours when female cats do not menstruate as women do. And that howling for females must be stressful to the tomcat when he can't understand why he's not let out. A life of a neutered cat is more steady, they should fight less and stay nearer home, if let out.
@Belgiter Laws don't make anything write or wrong. We had the prohibition and abortion used to be illegal too. Its a controversial issue.
Its not about "supergadgets" its about safe effective surgery with little to no side-effect, thats the whole point. A laser instantly cauterizes nerve endings and blood vessels, so it doesn't even need bandages anymore. Wounds are closed with surgical glue and dissolving sutures, so risk of infection is almost nill. Especially w/ appropriate litters.
@Belgiter And just because you aren't anti-delaw doesn't mean you're pro-declaw. Its just like w/ abortion, sometimes it is the right decision, and it should be up to the owner that knows the specific circumstances.
My cats are not declawed, but I know for a fact that some cats ARE very destructive, mine are not. If they were, I would have them declawed rather than return them to a shelter. Per the ASPCA, over 70% of cats in shelters were euthenised in 2008. Declaws can save lives.
@Fyrious54 It actually indirectly leads to more cat deaths. About half the cats surrendered in USA are declawed, even though only 20% of cats are declawed. They're surrendered due to behavioural changes due to the declawing (increased aggression and biting, not using litter trays etc) and of the cats surrendered around half are euthanised. So declawing actually increases their chances of surrender and euthanasia.
@nupthatisit I'd like to know where you are getting your statistics from. From my experience, the odd cat that comes in declawed (which is very low in Ontario Canada) has a way better chance of adoption and staying adopted compared to other cats of the same age. Also cats that are declawed have better chances for adoption compared to the average cat cut off at 5-6 years of age. ie. a 7-9 year old cat that is declawed would still be allowed for adoption, if not declawed it'd be put to sleep.
@Fyrious54 If you read any of my posts you'll note I have stated my sources. Personal experience is classified as anecdotal evidence, and frankly doesn't cut it against scholarly research.
@DumbDuck44 Are you aware about 50% of cats in shelters are declawed, even though around 20% of cats in total in America are declawed? That's a massive over-representation. They're usually surrendered because declawing can often cause behavioural issues, such as increased aggression and such forth. So no, declawing doesn't save lives, it actually contributes to greater numbers of cats unnecessarily euthanised
@nupthatisit Are you aware that about 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. *rolleyes* It is VERY hard to find declawed cats in shelters. Go to petfinder for Houston, select "declaw" and see how many results there are. Not even 1%, and they are the first to be adopted, as it saves the expense and the guilt-trip of a declaw for those interested.
Curious, do you feel any remorse when you make obvious lies, or do the ends justify the means?
@nupthatisit Thats funny, because I can't find that anywhere on the site. But everyone can go to Petfinder, type in their zip code, and look on the left side for results. For zip code 77479 100 mile radius there are 3083 results. Under "other considerations" only 65 are listed declawed.
61 of the 65 are elderly cats, and the vast majority of declaws are done at adoption, typically between 3-6 months old, making it unlikely the declaw was the reason for giving up the pet years later.
@nupthatisit what is your zip code? Please list the results on petfinder for us. If less than 25% of cats are showing up declawed online, as its 2% out of the 25% on average declawed in the United States, then that means that declawed cats are UNDERrepresented in shelters.
Sucks when people call you on your easily verifiable lies, doesn't it. =)
@DumbDuck44 I don't live in the United States. I live in Australia, a country where declawing is (rightly so) outlawed. I am however heavily involved in animal rescue and I have several friends in the States who are campaigning to have this barbaric practice made illegal over there.
@DumbDuck44 I find it amusing that you would use Petfinder as a resource for proving your point - Petfinder will not be listing the numerous cats earmarked for euthanasia, so not an accurate measure to use. I use scholarly documents, not heresay, assumptions and anecdotal evidence. Cats earmarked for euthanasia have been earmarked usually because they fail behavioural tests which they must pass before being considered for adoption - declawed cats are usually surrendered because of aggression
@nupthatisit Ah, so you have ZERO first hand experience, have quoted a website which doesn't back up your claim in the least (oops, how emberassing), and the largest US database for animals in shelters is showing ~2% of cats in shelters out of approximately 25% of the total cat population declawed of which in the greater-Houston area only 0.1% are actually young (when declaws are done).
So please show us your source for stats on how many declawed cats are euthanize annually. Oh, you can't? =)
@DumbDuck44 A 1994 study by the Dept of Veterinary Clinical Sciences at Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine found that of 163 cats who were declawed 50% had complications after surgery, such as pain, hemorrhage, lameness, swelling, and non-weight bearing. Of the 121 whose progress was followed, 20% had long term complications, such as infection, regrowth, bone protrusion into the paw pad and prolonged intermittent lameness and palmagrade stance (abnormal standing posture).
@nupthatisit HAHAHAHAH!!! So when people point out your lies, you just change the subject? ROFL!
So before jumping on the next train, will you please admit to the community that you blatantly LIED about 50% of cats in shelters being declawed? Then we can go on to address your other FUD. =)
@DumbDuck44 Subsequent research showed "Seventy percent (70%) of cats turned into pounds and shelters for behavioral problems are declawed cats. Twenty-five percent (25%) of cats turned into pounds and shelters are purebred. Behavioral problems include reluctance to use litter tray due to prolonged pain, increased biting behaviors as a point of defence, timidity." Refutes your previous claim of no research having been conducted to ascertain affects on cats of declawing, doesn't it? Must suck
@nupthatisit 25% of cats in shelters are purebred? Now every American with half a clue knows that you spread one lie after another. Purebred cats are virtually impossible to find in shelters in the United States. Have to give you props for trying, you truly have no shame. =)
@DumbDuck44 Actually, male cats are castrated to help prevent testicular cancer. There are breeders who do use vasectomised males, predominantly to relieve queens going in heat that the breeder doesn't want to mate at that point. They behave the same way as entire males do, but registered breeders have the knowledge and experience to deal with that. Same with female cats, spaying is done not only to help control cat populations but also to prevent pyometra, ovarian cancer, etc.
2:06 could all equally describe sex organ mutilation.
Menopausal women and men with testosterone deficiencies can explain to you that is NOT for their benefit that we desex these creatures, but because a spraying female in heat and aggressive loud tomcat are difficult to live with. Beef cattle are neutered as the hormone imbalance causes weight gain, just like in people w/o HR therapy. Bone density loss, urinary tract infections, osteosarcoma, prostate cancer, and more risks are increased.
There have been ZERO, count that ZERO studies that have shown conclusively that there are any long term effects from a properly performed front declaw. Granted, that may be because there is little money to be had by the answer so there is no funding, but anyone that tells you it as a fact is lying as no scientific study has ever been done.
However, we DO have studies on the effects of sex organ removal, and corresponding hormonal imbalances, effect on mammals.
These bleeding-heart Liberals are MORONS. I don't hear them bitching about bobbing the ears of Doberman Pincers, or the tails of Poodles. Indoor cats adapt very quickly to having no claws, and live happy and healthy lives. They DO NOT need front claws.
Contrary to most people's understanding, declawing consists of amputating not just the claws, but the whole phalanx (up to the joint), including bones, ligaments, and tendons! To remove the claw, the bone, nerve, joint capsule, collateral ligaments, and the extensor and flexor tendons must all be amputated
Declawing is pretty much an American thing, it's something people do for their own convenience without realizing what actually happens to their beloved cat. In England declawing is termed "inhumane" and "unnecessary mutilation." I agree. In many European countries it is illegal. I applaud their attitude.
Luckily no one minds ripping out the healthy functional sex organs of these animals.
After all, its not because we don't like the howling and spraying, its because its healthy thing to do, just like we castrate our own human children. *rolleyes*
And yes, you can do a MUCH less invasive vasectomy on cats just like you can on humans, but they would still have sexual desires and behavior, and humans don't WANT that.
4 million cats are euthanized every year, often due to destructive behavior.
Genetically modifying a pet to fit owner's own lifestyle is just disgusting! Each animal as well as we, humans, have different personalities and mentality and we have to accept that. If someone wants a cat, before getting it, that individual must be aware of all the aspects that will change in its life. Having an animal requires maturity and responsibility, despite being a good company they are also living beings! De-clawing a cat just because of the furniture shows the owner is mindless.
"You really are a fucking idiot. I have 2 cats who have happily lived inside for the last 13 years, complete with claws. I couldn't even contemplate declawing."
I have 2 cats right now and have had 5 others during my life and they were all indoor cats. All of them were declawed.. all of them lived wonderful lives. The pain an discomfort for the cat last about 2 days, on the 3rd they're walking just about as normal as ever. Declawing is not cruel or perverted.
Lies and FUD. Cats do NOT walk on their claws, the last digit is entirely retracted for normal locomotion. Thus balance is unaffected except in extreme climbing situations where the cat needs to hook its paws into the surface.
Declawing is almost always done only of the front claws, which means that climbing even vertical rope and carpet cat towers is not a problem since they mainly push off with their much stronger back legs, not their grasping front paws.
@DumbDuck44 And remember that during the time of recuperation from the surgery your cat would still have to use its feet to walk, jump, and scratch in its litter box regardless of the pain it is experiencing. Wheelchairs and bedpans are not an option for a cat.
@opal1920able Yes, it will have to use its feet to walk. With laser declaw, bandages are completely optional since vessels are instantly cauterized. You still use yesterday's news for litter temporarily so no concerns over clay dust. Young cats are generally healed within 24-48hrs, MUCH MUCH faster than spay surgery recovery.
@testingway What rubbish. If you are that worried about your house. Don't get a cat. I have three indoor bengal cats, they have scratch posts and I trim the ends of their claws from time to time. They are happy and content. Regarding the comment "If they could talk they would beg you to do it" I really think you should never get a cat if you think this way. You can talk.. would you beg me to chop the end of your fingers off??? I think not.
Been watching video's here for five years....and I have finally found it. This is the lamest Youtube video I have ever watched, hands down. The cheesy singing, the terrible video quality, cats in it, sing along karaoke....
Cats shouldn't be inside period. They are very close to rodents in terms of reasoning ability. They can't be trained, they destroy everything, and cause disease.
@testingway Really now? When our new cat Guus, a twelve-year-old tabby, came in with his pal Simon, we simply taught both of them to use the scratchingpost. The two of them are both indoor cats and very happy.
Cats are intelligent creatures, and they -can- be trained - but simply not the tricks you can teach a dog, because that's simply not something cats would want to do.
Declawing is illegal in my country. But our house is fine, thank you =)
No don't declaw them. Just let them DESTROY your house. Actually give them a choice (yeah I know, they have just enough brain power to walk). Would they rather fend for themselves in the wild of live a life of luxury inside. If they could talk (and no that annoying whine they always do isn't talking) they would beg you to declaw them.
@testingway no they wouldnt! i would rather fend for my life in the wild then deal with the complications of having the first bone of my finger cut off. im sure a cat would say the same.
De-clawing only. Our cats are all neutered, and I think that it is accepted worldwide that neutering is beneficial to the health of the cat, unlike declawing.
@jaegercat ummmm ok let me get this straight ... its ok to chop off your cats balls!!!! and prevent them from procreating which is the most natural thing in the world but declawing is unacceptable ???? im sorry but that seems backwards to me. how can you say that one surgery is any better than another? hypocritical dont you think? i sure think so.
@jaegercat neutering a cat is bad. the cat notices when a body part is missing. its their freakin genitals. the poor cat doesnt even have a choice! the will of the cat is more important than the health. period. we have no right to force them to give up their testicles. its not a problem. its a feature. its like, feline genital mutilation! if you are male, how would you like to have YOUR testicles cut off?
They're cats, not people. Don't assume that they react to things in the same way as you would. I think that most cat owners, vets, animal specialists consider that cats react positively, both physically and mentally, to neutering.
@jaegercat cats are smart. they do not "like" it when you amputate their testicles. if they could choose, they would reject neutering, but were forcing them! thats not fair. its their body. believe it or not, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR HIM!!!
@bonoboperson "the will of the cat is more important than the health" - this is where you differ from most sane person. If you think that the cat's "need" to produce more kittens, a large number of which wind up feral or euthanised due to overpopulation, than it is for them to live a life free from pyometra (a deadly uterine infection which leads to total hysterectomy anyway) or prostate infections or cancer (leading to death or castration anyway) then you don't deserve to own a pet. Moron
@nupthatisit FYI, I NEVER SAID THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE KITTENS!!! i just said that they shouldn't have their body altered against thier will! by the way, humans are not simply ALLOWING them to stay in our home, WERE FORCING THEM!!!! besides, we shouldn't think that we ''own" them. cats have a mind of their own, and we must not simply treat them like moving furnature or toys. thats just my opinion, and if you don't like it, thats fine.
@bonoboperson Your quote "the will of the cat is more important than the health" implying exactly that. It has been proven scientifically that only two animals on earth copulate for pleasure - humans and dolphins. All others copulate to produce offspring. Therefore the will you refer is to indeed produce kittens. Basic biology, my friend.
@nupthatisit i didn't "imply" anything. also, gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees and bonobos also have sex for pleasure. bonobos even settle fights with sex. look it up. and most cats dont know that mating will cause them to give birth. you are saying that things are proven scientifically when they are not, which i find irritating.
@bonoboperson I find it irritating that you claim to be able to speak for what cats do want. Cats want to eat cooked chicken carcuses, without realising that eating cooked bones could kill them. Cats do things that can be dangerous to them. Mating is such an activity - are you aware for example that female cats, if they miscarriage, start to absorb the deceased kittens, again something that leads to the cat's death. Unlike declawing which is a deplorable practice, desexing benefits the cat.
@bonoboperson Stating all those other species does not alter the fact the cat is indeed a species that mates to produce. It certainly isn't pleasurable for them - the feline penis actually has barbs to hold it in place in the vagina which actually tears the flesh, making it a painful experience. Basic biology. Your famous quote "will of the cat is more important than the health" also implies you care very little for the welfare of the cat, it implies you don't care about the health risks.
@nupthatisit how do you know the male cat doesn't find it pleasurable? i gaurantee you, the male cat does NOT know that the female will produce young. and i do in fact care very much for my cats health. it is obvious that you do not think of cats as individuals, and likely have not had a lifelong relationship with a cat. i know the risks of not neutering, but should we really try to pretend to be gods and change their anatomy? it's the breeders who are causing the starvation, not the testicles.
@bonoboperson Oh, for fuck's sake, get a fucking clue! You fucking said it yourself, the will of the cat is more important than the health - this PROVES you don't give a shit. What is your experiences with cats? I am currently assisting a friend raising two 4 week old kittens she found abandoned by a feral cat under her house from 2 weeks ago - this involves bottle feeding every few hours. This is the direct result from lack of desexing. I have owned cats for 30 years since the age of 9.
@bonoboperson I'm not inferring that, you're doing a damn good job of that yourself. You also need to understand the different roles different types of breeders contribute. BYB and puppy and kitten mills should be shut down, absolutely. Registered purebred breeders have a strict code of conduct they must comply with in order to be registered, there are the occasional dodgy ones, but on the whole they are the responsible breeders. My friend who is a Burmese breeder, has only 5 litters a year
@nupthatisit Registered breeders of purebred cats, you will find, will only sell their cats already desexed and not released until 12 weeks of age - entire cats are only sold to other registered breeders and are meticulously screened. The cost of a purebreed cat from a registered breeder barely covers for them the cost of vet bills, worming, desexing, microchipping - procedures BYB and mills simply do not bother to perform. Seems to me your lack of research in this area is also severely lacking
@nupthatisit perhaps your right about the breeder thing, but i still disagree with you on the neutering. i think that cats would notice when a body part is missing, especially when its, well... down there. i admit that i have not done much research on the breeding of cats, but the fact still remains that cats are concious beings who can think for themselves. in my opinion, cats should have just as much freedom and control over their body as we do.
@bonoboperson How is the cat's enjoyment even the point? Health considerations should always be taking over and above any other consideration. what's the point of their "enjoyment" if they wind up dying from diseases from it? Oh, but that's right, you don't care about the health considerations, do you? And frankly, I'm more willing to accept the findings of research conducted by vets, university professors, etc than some idiot on Youtube. I've cited credible sources, where are your sources?
@bonoboperson how dare you suggest I don't see cats as individuals. I have had more experience raising cats and rescuing cats than you have had playing World of Warcraft. You really don't know what you're talking about. How about doing a bit of research, know the facts, and UNDERSTAND how irresponsible pet ownership leads DIRECTLY to cat overpopulation, ultimately leading to premature euthanasure of innocent animals, not to mention the health risks, including SEVERAL potentially fatal diseases.
@nupthatisit same thing with hookers. should we neuter them too? the breeders are actually breeding cats on purpose,which in my opinion, contributes to the problem. breeders inseminate female cats and sell the young for the selfish desire for money. they try to make new breeds without thinking about where all those cats will end up. some go to loving homes. others end up on the street. think about this, if every domestic cat were neutered, what would happen to their species? educate yourself.
@bonoboperson Your immaturity also leads constantly to your confusion of cat procreation to that of human sexuality. It has been proven scentifically that cats do not think about sex, they act on hormonal impulses. Research by Sydney University School of Veterinary Science (one of the leading vet schools in the world) that psychological and behavioural benefits to desexing include less fighting and spraying, more content due to lack of hormonal response, far reduced risks of spread of FIV, FeLV
@bonoboperson there is no research indicating cats suffer psychologically or behaviourally as a result of desexing. In fact the opposite is true - entire males have shown greatly increased levels of depression and anxiety than their neutered counterparts, not to mention spraying, increased aggression, more instances of territorial fighting thereby increasing the levels of prostate cancer. As for females, have you ever heard a cat in heat and not mated? The yowling! Not happy creatures.
@nupthatisit i guess you have a point there with the female cats. but i still believe that male cats do not know that they will help produce offspring, and pure instinct usually does not account for mating behaviors in most mammals.
@bonoboperson It makes no difference if they know or not. The fact of the matter is, this is not something that should ever be confused with human sexuality, we are aware of what we do, cats act purely on hormones and impulse. Research indicates as such, ultimately without those hormones they don't know any different. I have two young cats - one was desexed at 10 weeks old, the other 6 months, both before they reached sexual maturity. Content cats with no idea of missing bits as you put it.
@nupthatisit i disagree. you said it yourself that the male has barbs on his penis. the famale cat would find it unpleasent, but not the male. and where is this so called research that says cats do not find pleasure in sex? i'll believe it when i see it.
@bonoboperson All in all, to summarise your argument, you want to disregard health aspects of undesexed cats (including risks of deadly infections and cancers), behavioural issues and depression PROVEN to be present in undesexed cats (male and female), problems of feral cat populations leading to the unnecessary euthanising of otherwise unhealthy cats, you want to disregard all these which are proven by experts because you yourself are concerned the male is missing out on sex? with no research?
@nupthatisit no, i simply think that what the cat wants is just as important as his health. your summary of my argument is completely wrong. im tired of having everything i say twisted around by some asswipe so they can have something to attack. this argument is going nowhere, because you're just too arrogant too understand that there may be other ways to control the population and illness problems.
@bonoboperson I don't see how the summary of your argument is wrong when it is merely a condensed version of your own words. You typed them, my friend, not me. You have failed to provide me evidence from experts supporting your arguments, and you let your lack of knowledge on the subject sprout absolutely bollocks. Do some research and realise that what you've been peddling here has absolutely no scientific backing.
@nupthatisit heres what i said, the will of the cat is more important than the health, humans and dolphins aren't the only animals to enjoy sex, and cats are intelligent. two thirds of that is proven facts, the other one third is my opinion. like i said, you have been altering my arguments in an attempt to make me look bad. face it, you don't know what youre talking about. i've seen apes in videos that prove we aren't the only ones who enjoy sex. you have yet to show research proving cats don't.
@bonoboperson Thank you for identifying the quote I have the most issue with - to me that quote highlights to me you have little consideration for the cat. And this is where we differ, because for me the health has got to be number one, every time. i haven't altered a single word of your argument, you said it yourself, the health is not as important to you.
@nupthatisit so you think the health is more important, and i think what the cat wants is more important. its obvious that neither of us is going to convince the other that what we think is correct.
@bonoboperson Oh, and for the record, you state you think what the cat wants is more important. All the cat wants is to be happy and loved. I've stated previously (with evidence from researchers, I might add) that cats are happier desexed - at the risk of sounding like a broken record, undesexed cats show greater levels of depression, anxiety and behavioural problems than desexed cats. So what does that tell you?
@bonoboperson BTW, nice try with that vid you sent me, the one showing homosexual behaviour in animals. I must point out though that his theories have been discredited by many scientists - Dr Martin Daly puts it down to the fact that "all animals will maneuvre around each other before making sexual contact", Dr Frans de Waal explains it as "humans gaining more out of sexual relationships - to animals it's merely non reproductive sexual behaviour". Both argue it's driven from hormones not love.
@bonoboperson all in all that video doesn't prove that by taking away that hormone will result in an unhappy animal - they simply are not aware of what is missing. In fact by keeping those in place and then keeping then animals from reproducing will result in a highly anxious animal with behavioural issues. Cats without these hormones are content and serve to make great pets.
@nupthatisit i think the cats will notice they're gone. btw you did not i repeate DID NOT provide evidence. wheres the freaking article? where is the damn video?! and also, out of the many cats in the world, there must be a couple hundred who live just fine without their testicles, and whose hormones don't screw up their lives as youre suggesting.
@bonoboperson And this is where your childishness comes into play. You're unable to look at this with logic and not emotion. You're not prepared to accept the findings of veterinarians and that makes you frankly quite foolish. A couple of hundred, there you go, that's where your ignorance and immaturity is highlighted right there. As for the video, you PMed me a link. And now you're acting dumb. Nice one.
@nupthatisit ok, A COUPLE THOUSAND!!! is that better?! you really don't seem to have the ability to see things from someone elses point of view, because when you try, you always guess wrong. you seem to think neutering is the only way. guess what, its not! ever here of a feline vasectomy? yeah, they do em. and what about feliway, a spray that calms cats with a soothing pherimone? and by the way, i still didn't get that proof that felines dont enjoy sex (and no,you saying it is not proof).
@bonoboperson Feline vasectomy does not improve the mental wellbeing of a cat. You have chosen to deliberately read what you chose and ignore the research I've posted here a number of times that neutered cats are less stressed and more contented than unneutered cats. Vasectomising cats does nothing to alleviate the stress and depression of entire males. Feliway only does so much, it again does not alleviate what is caused by hormones. It certainly should not be used as a long term measure
@bonoboperson Funny, the PM bears your Youtube username. Countless animal psychologists and vets state that undesexed cats do experience depression and stress, but hey, your disbelieving of that is enough for me to sway my opinion, not to mention my 30 years of working in animal rescue. Not.
@nupthatisit i hardly think that you of all people would have very much experience with other animals. you seem much more content to sit here on the computer and argue that cats do not deserve the same respect that you would give humans. i would volunteer at the spca eccept far the fact that my dad won't allow me to unless i get my grades up. and also, im not trying to "sway" your opinion. i'm just defending mine.
@bonoboperson Me of all people? What is that supposed to mean? How about the countless vets who urge people to desex their cats? Not to mention animal shelters, rescue organisations, breeders (many of whom will only sell their cat desexed), SPCA and other around the world. Are you seriously saying they don't respect animals because they promote and urge desexing? Does none of the information I've given her about health benefits of desexing mean anything? You fail to see the bigger picture
@bonoboperson My suggestion to you, urge your father to allow you to volunteer, get the opinions of those at the ASPCA, and see the bigger picture. Not just for your own sake but for the sake of any cats you may own either now or in the future.
Theres lots a reasons why not to declaw ur cat BUT THE MAIN ONE IS for me what if one day she runs and get lost or i die and she is left in the street WHATEVER the reason if one day shes on her own i would want her to be able to protect her self THINK LONG TERM and whats best for ur animal NOT suitable for u think people
yadiras69 6 days ago
WTF IS WITH THIS SONG!?
Mikasaurous01 1 month ago
oh yeah read from the bottom to the top :)
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22februari1999 1 month ago
But I'm just doing what needs to be done to eliminate the pain & suffering of kitties everywhere.
PLEASE HELP SPREAD THIS MESSAGE!
IF ENOUGH OF US KNOW THE TRUTH, MAYBE WE CAN GET THIS BRUTAL PRACTICE ILLEGALIZED!
Besides, if People want to go THAT far with a cat- mutilating it to accomadate their lifestyle- then they don't need to be owning one anyway!
22februari1999 1 month ago
You've GOT to see the pictures on the site! They also have clear caps if you don't want colored nails on your cat. They have different sizes for any cat. You use an adhesive they provide to keep them on, & they stay on for 4-6 weeks! One 20$ order gets you 40 of them, lasting up to 4-6 months!!!
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22februari1999 1 month ago
GREAT WEBSITE:
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EVEN BETTER than trimming is a new product called "Soft Paws" (SOFTPAWSdotCOM). They are these protective rubber (or something like rubber) caps that fit perfectly & neatly over the cats nails. They don't look big & goofy- they actually just look like the cats regular nails, BUT THEY COME IN VARIOUS CUTE COLORS!!!
22februari1999 1 month ago
Cut them halfway between the sharp tip & where the pink quick ends- the pink quick ends at about the center of the nail, so you're only cutting about 1/4 (25%) of the tip off AT THE MOST. Any shorter is too dangerous...
I HIGHLY recommend first doing some research for tips on how to do it right.. Also, you can just take him/her to a professional groomer to have them safely trimmed.
22februari1999 1 month ago
First off, you GENTLY squeeze the center of the paw, causing the nails to fully extend outward. Now, look for the pinkish area at the end connecting the nail to the finger. This is called the "quick", & YOU MUST AVOID CUTTING THIS AREA AS IT IS FULL OF HIGHLY SENSITIVE NERVES!
22februari1999 1 month ago
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You CAN just trim them- but like dogs, they do have VERY SENSTIVE nerves extending into their nails. So you need to know what you're doing & be VERY careful!
22februari1999 1 month ago
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This practice is illegal in 22 different countries around the globe, & there are efforts to make it illegal in at least certain U.S. states. How can any sane, sensible & compassionate person want it to remain legal once they truly understand what it's actually all about?....
[DISCLAIMER: This is not medical advice to be followed without medical consultation. I am just sharing the facts I have learned from working with pets & researching this subject.]
22februari1999 1 month ago
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Contrary to what declaw-practicing veterinarians may tell you, the procedure is an EXTREMELY serious surgery. It not only involves removing the nails, BUT ALSO THE FIRST SEGMENT OF BONE THEY ARE ATTACHED TO! It is NO different that a Human having the tips of their fingers sliced off, all the way down to where the finger first bends! So we're talking about 10 different amputations!
22februari1999 1 month ago
I don't Think People realize how terribly torturous & inhumane this practice is...
Sure, go ahead and brush me aside as some over-sensitive nutjob; but unless you're some psychopath who lacks the ability to feel empathy towards pets & Humans, you REALLY need to know the Truth about declawing...
22februari1999 1 month ago
One more comment: Do you notice that the sick vets who put up videos on methods for declawing rarely allow for comments? I suppose they're tired of being reviled as abusers and called every name that's NOT in the book.
79barkingspider 1 month ago
I declawed my kitten because he was scratching my children. I don't care who don't like it; angry people don't pay me... So I don't pay them attention! Declaw for your children : )
JoAnna33881 1 month ago
@JoAnna33881 Hey you're right. Declawing is for your children. You should declaw them! Or even better, teach your little brats how to behave around cats. My shelter doesn't adopt kittens to families with young children. Why the heck did you get a kitten? Just felt like torturing something?
79barkingspider 1 month ago
as much as i agree with not declawing cats, this song was just hysterical....it sounds like it popped out of reading rainbow or a kids show of some sort. Oh 80-90s....you sound so terrible XD
TigressMoonFlame 1 month ago
this is fu**in cruel! how would you like it if I cut all ends of you feet anf toes?? if I ever see anyone do this ild loose it. whats the point in having a cut to love when you put them through all this torture and pain? good job I dont know these owners!!!
owood1984 2 months ago
23 are dogs
saralovemogha 2 months ago
When hearing that song, I honestly felt like crying, because it's a shame that declawing is still practiced in this country for an owner's convenience.
DesireeChicago 4 months ago
Sounds like Tim Heidecker
manyPixels 4 months ago
The cat at 2:06 looks like a mini puma :O
goldAnd 7 months ago
@jaegercat lol silly kittys :3
maylinx0x 7 months ago
@jaegercat animals eat grass and other plants when there stomach hurts, that why I was asking, lol dont know why though, i tryed it when i was a little kid and I felt the same, but then again I did not have a stomach ache xD
maylinx0x 7 months ago
@maylinx0x True, but they were just enjoying the novelty - I'd only just bought the plants, and I think they were experimenting.
jaegercat 7 months ago
you growing catnip or do your cats just have a stomach ache? :p
maylinx0x 7 months ago
@maylinx0x They just like eating plants. (Everything was non-toxic)
jaegercat 7 months ago
those cats were stoned no offence cat: awwwww man look at these flower ooooooooo
kevinbishop89 7 months ago
HEAR HEAR!!
rozzer2006 9 months ago
cats shouldent be treated like that!
reacher112 9 months ago
Worst karaoke song ever.
CyclonesWorld 9 months ago
"Mother nature is the finest teacher"
I stopped watching there. I don't have a cat, but I do have type 1 diabetes, which is basically mother nature's way of saying I should be DEAD right now; my body destroyed its own insulin-producing cells, and it is only because the insulin could be replaced (thanks to human technology) that I could survive.
The notion that "nature is always right" implies that I should stop using insulin and die of ketoacidosis. Would you say that I should?
neoYTPism 10 months ago
leave the cat alone fuckers
chetneyoff3 9 months ago
Note that I already said I don't even have a cat. That you tell me to leave the cat alone suggests that you are missing my point. @chetneyoff3
neoYTPism 9 months ago
@neoYTPism Two points that you've missed - 1 is that you take insulin for medical reasons. There is no medical reason to declaw a cat. 2 is that as inappropriate as their comment may be, I can't see where @chetnyoff3 is personally responding to you.
nupthatisit 9 months ago
"There is no medical reason to declaw a cat." - nupthatisit
... except for avoiding the infections that would likely result from the cat scratching you.
Oh, and the point remains that IF "mother nature" was the finest teacher, then that would include EVERYTHING that is natural, INCLUDING type 1 diabetes. You can`t have it both ways.
Also, my comment notification message said that chetneyoff3`s comment was a reply to mine.
neoYTPism 9 months ago
@neoYTPism That is not a medical reason to declaw. I've owned cats for 30 years, since I was 9, not one of my cats have ever been declawed, and not just because it's illegal in this country, but most people here, like myself, find the practice abhorable. Cats biting can actually lead to more serious infectious illnesses, and evidence shows declawed cats resort to biting due to losing a primary source of defense and I tell you what, I'd rather be scratched than bitten.
nupthatisit 9 months ago
@neoYTPism Furthermore, while I agree with you that the line "Mother nature is the finest teacher" is lame and not relevant, your argument of comparing an illness to a mutation body is also flawed, in that you are controlling an illness (which as yet has no known cause, whether it be environmental or genetic) through medical intervention. The practice of declawing cats provides no medical intervention for the cat and is done purely for the convenience of the owner.
nupthatisit 9 months ago
Well, my initial comment... the one you were responding to... was in response to said line about mother nature. So if you agree that the line is lame, you pretty much agree with my point, as I was not taking sides on the declawing issue one way or another. @nupthatisit
As for the medical aspect, I already stated how that is relevant.
neoYTPism 9 months ago
@neoYTPism I agree the line is lame, but your argument is weak. I agree the line is lame because to agree with that line would mean thinking is desexing is wrong, and I'm pro desexing. Medical conditions happen, sometimes it's nature, sometimes it's not. But declawing a cat purely for non-medical purposes to convene the owner is in my opinion barbaric and unnecessary, and I believe vets who perform it are acting unethically.
nupthatisit 9 months ago
@neoYTPism
If a cat is so badly raised that it will scratch you, then it will probably also bite. Your argument is invalid, unless you're also suggesting deteething?
You may also want to google "strawman argument". The diabetes comment is a pretty good example of one.
jaegercat 7 months ago
@neoYTPism yes. now shut up
17hyperchick 7 months ago
Wow. I hope you get type 1 diabetes then. @17hyperchick
neoYTPism 7 months ago
Everyone should check out They Took My Claws the song is bitchin.
laxre29 10 months ago
Turkish Van one of them? Or am I mistaken?
Oglemokk 10 months ago
@Oglemokk
I agree, she looks a bit like a Van, but she was adopted off the street and is probably mutli-generation feral. And she doesn't like water :). She's from Singapore, so if there's any purebred genes in her, it's more likely to be those of the Japanese Bobtail.
jaegercat 10 months ago
I fully agree with ur opinion
elipa3 11 months ago
i just got my cat back from declaw
LilTash262 11 months ago
so you are unable to use the copy and paste facility?????
nupthatisit 1 year ago
yikes...a couple of people here need to go out a find a life. Amusing, though.
WTFintheUSA 1 year ago
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ThePawProject 1 year ago
There is no debating possible about this.
Declawing a cat is not needed.
Why even take a cat if your scared if the nails or scared it might scratch your couch..
It's very illegal in the netherlands so is tail docking of dogs.
Aha a cat without nails, poor thing cant even climb or catch a bird for fun.
How pathetic..
xxjonkoxx 1 year ago
@xxjonkoxx totally agreed, it's illegal here in Australia too
nupthatisit 1 year ago
Ok, but I was going to take it to get bred, but still, all I'm saying is don't declaw a cat.
Timontim02 1 year ago
@Timontim02 is it a purebreed? Are you a registered breeder? If you're not experienced in keeping entire male cats, you'd be in for a shock. Male entires will spray around the house, and if you're going to let him roam, he'd impregnate any females around your neighbourhood, including ferals. That's why I'd say not responsible, because it would just be continuing to add to feral and unwanted cat populations. Not meaning to have a go, just letting you know consequences, that's all
nupthatisit 1 year ago
We were thinking about breeding it once we saw it was responsible enough. But we won't fix this one.
Timontim02 1 year ago
@Timontim02 unless you're a registered breeder, having an undesexed cat as a pet is never responsible, hate to tell you.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit yes it is. maybe we should "desex" you.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
And I mean don't declaw in my first comment.
Timontim02 1 year ago
We found her body on a sidewalk when we got home and buried it in our backyard. My cousin apologized and it was rough for me and my parents. So we got a new one and got a scratching post for him. He's happy and he loves to live with us. And we also trained him to not scratch up the furniture. So don't declaw a cat.
Timontim02 1 year ago
Yeah! Do declaw a cat! One of my old cats died because she was declawed. When she was declawed, we knew she will be defenseless so we always would leave her inside comfortably with good shelter, but one day my cousin let her outside when he was cat sitting my cat. She was in heat so she had to got outside. Then I guess she was killed by a couple of kids or cats.
Timontim02 1 year ago
@Timontim02 how come you declawed but didn't desex? I hope you got your current boy desexed....
nupthatisit 1 year ago
If my cat is a crazy ass bitch then ima declaw her.
dabeastsnipa777 1 year ago
its amazing the same people here for fighting de clawing a cat are all for abortions you guys make me laugh epic FAIL
allisterw9 1 year ago
@allisterw9 Well, if a cat decides to declaw herself I promise you I am not going to stop her. Declawing a cat is like forcing a pregnant woman to have an abortion (since you used this example). Get it now?
ASTERIXISM 1 year ago
Actually, I lied, my cats ARE destructive, just not with their claws. They like to chase each other and smash into things and knock everything off any countertop. ;)
Declaw wouldn't fix that though, so I just keep them clipped so they don't inadvertently scratch me from harsh play.
Some cats are found as ferals and behavioral changes are VERY difficult and redirection is not always possible if the cat is already 6mnths+ old. My coworker's cat also tore my arm up trying to apply soft paws
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
And for those that say cats need their claws for living outdoors, you are correct. But they should never be allowed outside.
Cats are a native species only to Egypt where they were domesticated and spread by the roman empire and SE Asia.
They are wrecking havoc on native ecosystems and in the UK alone account for over 100 million song bird deaths (many of which are endangered or on watch) which fill an important niche in their environment.
Mine aren't declawed, but they also can't go out.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago 3
@DumbDuck44 My cats are indoor only and they have their claws. Go figure
nupthatisit 1 year ago
And one more thing, spend less timing pretending you can sing, and more time disciplining your cats so they don't fuck up your plants and end up eating them and throwing them up on your rug later.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 Cats use their front paws for walking. Can they use paws properly if parts of them are missing? I think a human lost his fingertips would be happy to get them back as they were because we need them for exact work with hands.
The reason our cats have lost their sex organs isn't just preventing them urinating inproper places etc but also prevent unwanted kittens to be born. There are homeless cats all over the world, even where I live so there is no reason to make more of them.
Belgiter 1 year ago
@Belgiter Again, please look into declaw procedures. Even the most invasive (although IMO most safe) procedure removes only the dystal phalanx. This is completely retracted during normal locomotion. If it were not, the claw would be damaged, dulled, and get caught on things.
Yes, thank you captain obvious, but we could do a FAR safer and less invasive vasectomy (can be done san scalpel now) and tubular litigation rather than a complete castration and hysterectomy, just like in people.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago 2
@Belgiter The reason we don't do a simple quick vasectomy which humans can report is nearly pain free and you can return to work the same day, versus the two days of healing required for complete castration and hormone deficiency that creates is because a male cat with testes will become more muscular, more aggressive, and want to escape the house to find females, and will howl constantly when not allowed to do so. This makes for a poor pet.
We castrate for OUR benefit, the same as declaws.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago 3
@DumbDuck44 IMO declawing is pure vanity of humans, were any "supergadgets" used or not for the operation, and that is why I'm very happy it's illegal in my country.
Cats aren't humans and their hormonal action must differ from ours when female cats do not menstruate as women do. And that howling for females must be stressful to the tomcat when he can't understand why he's not let out. A life of a neutered cat is more steady, they should fight less and stay nearer home, if let out.
Belgiter 1 year ago
@Belgiter Laws don't make anything write or wrong. We had the prohibition and abortion used to be illegal too. Its a controversial issue.
Its not about "supergadgets" its about safe effective surgery with little to no side-effect, thats the whole point. A laser instantly cauterizes nerve endings and blood vessels, so it doesn't even need bandages anymore. Wounds are closed with surgical glue and dissolving sutures, so risk of infection is almost nill. Especially w/ appropriate litters.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago 2
@Belgiter And just because you aren't anti-delaw doesn't mean you're pro-declaw. Its just like w/ abortion, sometimes it is the right decision, and it should be up to the owner that knows the specific circumstances.
My cats are not declawed, but I know for a fact that some cats ARE very destructive, mine are not. If they were, I would have them declawed rather than return them to a shelter. Per the ASPCA, over 70% of cats in shelters were euthenised in 2008. Declaws can save lives.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago 16
@DumbDuck44 , thats the no bull.... truth. If declawing a cat will save it's life, i'm all for it.
Fyrious54 1 year ago
@Fyrious54 It actually indirectly leads to more cat deaths. About half the cats surrendered in USA are declawed, even though only 20% of cats are declawed. They're surrendered due to behavioural changes due to the declawing (increased aggression and biting, not using litter trays etc) and of the cats surrendered around half are euthanised. So declawing actually increases their chances of surrender and euthanasia.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit I'd like to know where you are getting your statistics from. From my experience, the odd cat that comes in declawed (which is very low in Ontario Canada) has a way better chance of adoption and staying adopted compared to other cats of the same age. Also cats that are declawed have better chances for adoption compared to the average cat cut off at 5-6 years of age. ie. a 7-9 year old cat that is declawed would still be allowed for adoption, if not declawed it'd be put to sleep.
Fyrious54 1 year ago
@Fyrious54 If you read any of my posts you'll note I have stated my sources. Personal experience is classified as anecdotal evidence, and frankly doesn't cut it against scholarly research.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 Are you aware about 50% of cats in shelters are declawed, even though around 20% of cats in total in America are declawed? That's a massive over-representation. They're usually surrendered because declawing can often cause behavioural issues, such as increased aggression and such forth. So no, declawing doesn't save lives, it actually contributes to greater numbers of cats unnecessarily euthanised
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit Are you aware that about 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. *rolleyes* It is VERY hard to find declawed cats in shelters. Go to petfinder for Houston, select "declaw" and see how many results there are. Not even 1%, and they are the first to be adopted, as it saves the expense and the guilt-trip of a declaw for those interested.
Curious, do you feel any remorse when you make obvious lies, or do the ends justify the means?
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 Those statistics are straight from the ASPCA
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit Thats funny, because I can't find that anywhere on the site. But everyone can go to Petfinder, type in their zip code, and look on the left side for results. For zip code 77479 100 mile radius there are 3083 results. Under "other considerations" only 65 are listed declawed.
61 of the 65 are elderly cats, and the vast majority of declaws are done at adoption, typically between 3-6 months old, making it unlikely the declaw was the reason for giving up the pet years later.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@nupthatisit what is your zip code? Please list the results on petfinder for us. If less than 25% of cats are showing up declawed online, as its 2% out of the 25% on average declawed in the United States, then that means that declawed cats are UNDERrepresented in shelters.
Sucks when people call you on your easily verifiable lies, doesn't it. =)
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 I don't live in the United States. I live in Australia, a country where declawing is (rightly so) outlawed. I am however heavily involved in animal rescue and I have several friends in the States who are campaigning to have this barbaric practice made illegal over there.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 I find it amusing that you would use Petfinder as a resource for proving your point - Petfinder will not be listing the numerous cats earmarked for euthanasia, so not an accurate measure to use. I use scholarly documents, not heresay, assumptions and anecdotal evidence. Cats earmarked for euthanasia have been earmarked usually because they fail behavioural tests which they must pass before being considered for adoption - declawed cats are usually surrendered because of aggression
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 Sucks when people pull you up on your easily verifiable discredited forms of research, doesn't it?
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit Ah, so you have ZERO first hand experience, have quoted a website which doesn't back up your claim in the least (oops, how emberassing), and the largest US database for animals in shelters is showing ~2% of cats in shelters out of approximately 25% of the total cat population declawed of which in the greater-Houston area only 0.1% are actually young (when declaws are done).
So please show us your source for stats on how many declawed cats are euthanize annually. Oh, you can't? =)
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 A 1994 study by the Dept of Veterinary Clinical Sciences at Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine found that of 163 cats who were declawed 50% had complications after surgery, such as pain, hemorrhage, lameness, swelling, and non-weight bearing. Of the 121 whose progress was followed, 20% had long term complications, such as infection, regrowth, bone protrusion into the paw pad and prolonged intermittent lameness and palmagrade stance (abnormal standing posture).
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit HAHAHAHAH!!! So when people point out your lies, you just change the subject? ROFL!
So before jumping on the next train, will you please admit to the community that you blatantly LIED about 50% of cats in shelters being declawed? Then we can go on to address your other FUD. =)
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 Subsequent research showed "Seventy percent (70%) of cats turned into pounds and shelters for behavioral problems are declawed cats. Twenty-five percent (25%) of cats turned into pounds and shelters are purebred. Behavioral problems include reluctance to use litter tray due to prolonged pain, increased biting behaviors as a point of defence, timidity." Refutes your previous claim of no research having been conducted to ascertain affects on cats of declawing, doesn't it? Must suck
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit 25% of cats in shelters are purebred? Now every American with half a clue knows that you spread one lie after another. Purebred cats are virtually impossible to find in shelters in the United States. Have to give you props for trying, you truly have no shame. =)
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
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@DumbDuck44 That was a direct quote from the paper, you moron
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 Actually, male cats are castrated to help prevent testicular cancer. There are breeders who do use vasectomised males, predominantly to relieve queens going in heat that the breeder doesn't want to mate at that point. They behave the same way as entire males do, but registered breeders have the knowledge and experience to deal with that. Same with female cats, spaying is done not only to help control cat populations but also to prevent pyometra, ovarian cancer, etc.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
2:06 could all equally describe sex organ mutilation.
Menopausal women and men with testosterone deficiencies can explain to you that is NOT for their benefit that we desex these creatures, but because a spraying female in heat and aggressive loud tomcat are difficult to live with. Beef cattle are neutered as the hormone imbalance causes weight gain, just like in people w/o HR therapy. Bone density loss, urinary tract infections, osteosarcoma, prostate cancer, and more risks are increased.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
There have been ZERO, count that ZERO studies that have shown conclusively that there are any long term effects from a properly performed front declaw. Granted, that may be because there is little money to be had by the answer so there is no funding, but anyone that tells you it as a fact is lying as no scientific study has ever been done.
However, we DO have studies on the effects of sex organ removal, and corresponding hormonal imbalances, effect on mammals.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
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These bleeding-heart Liberals are MORONS. I don't hear them bitching about bobbing the ears of Doberman Pincers, or the tails of Poodles. Indoor cats adapt very quickly to having no claws, and live happy and healthy lives. They DO NOT need front claws.
Thirdgen83 1 year ago
I declawed my cat years ago without knowing exactly what they did. I feel terrible. My newest cat will not suffer the same fate.
taylor9215 1 year ago
Contrary to most people's understanding, declawing consists of amputating not just the claws, but the whole phalanx (up to the joint), including bones, ligaments, and tendons! To remove the claw, the bone, nerve, joint capsule, collateral ligaments, and the extensor and flexor tendons must all be amputated
opal1920able 1 year ago
Declawing is pretty much an American thing, it's something people do for their own convenience without realizing what actually happens to their beloved cat. In England declawing is termed "inhumane" and "unnecessary mutilation." I agree. In many European countries it is illegal. I applaud their attitude.
opal1920able 1 year ago
this song is so true and so darn catchy ima share it with everybody
Penyto 1 year ago
The fucking cat shouldnt have ruined my furniture!
monjeoa 1 year ago
Luckily no one minds ripping out the healthy functional sex organs of these animals.
After all, its not because we don't like the howling and spraying, its because its healthy thing to do, just like we castrate our own human children. *rolleyes*
And yes, you can do a MUCH less invasive vasectomy on cats just like you can on humans, but they would still have sexual desires and behavior, and humans don't WANT that.
4 million cats are euthanized every year, often due to destructive behavior.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago 2
Genetically modifying a pet to fit owner's own lifestyle is just disgusting! Each animal as well as we, humans, have different personalities and mentality and we have to accept that. If someone wants a cat, before getting it, that individual must be aware of all the aspects that will change in its life. Having an animal requires maturity and responsibility, despite being a good company they are also living beings! De-clawing a cat just because of the furniture shows the owner is mindless.
Kaelth1 1 year ago
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"You really are a fucking idiot. I have 2 cats who have happily lived inside for the last 13 years, complete with claws. I couldn't even contemplate declawing."
I have 2 cats right now and have had 5 others during my life and they were all indoor cats. All of them were declawed.. all of them lived wonderful lives. The pain an discomfort for the cat last about 2 days, on the 3rd they're walking just about as normal as ever. Declawing is not cruel or perverted.
AlcoholLevel 1 year ago
this song is the sh*t! its catchy as hell. lol
CowBoyReds 1 year ago
Great video!!!!
abeita1 1 year ago
Cats’ claws and the bones and cartilage that hold them in place allow cats to balance properly, climb, and defend themselves, among other functions.
CAROLMRAMOS 1 year ago
@CAROLMRAMOS
Lies and FUD. Cats do NOT walk on their claws, the last digit is entirely retracted for normal locomotion. Thus balance is unaffected except in extreme climbing situations where the cat needs to hook its paws into the surface.
Declawing is almost always done only of the front claws, which means that climbing even vertical rope and carpet cat towers is not a problem since they mainly push off with their much stronger back legs, not their grasping front paws.
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 And remember that during the time of recuperation from the surgery your cat would still have to use its feet to walk, jump, and scratch in its litter box regardless of the pain it is experiencing. Wheelchairs and bedpans are not an option for a cat.
opal1920able 1 year ago
@opal1920able Yes, it will have to use its feet to walk. With laser declaw, bandages are completely optional since vessels are instantly cauterized. You still use yesterday's news for litter temporarily so no concerns over clay dust. Young cats are generally healed within 24-48hrs, MUCH MUCH faster than spay surgery recovery.
Watch this video: watch?v=6Qv0z7EfTII
DumbDuck44 1 year ago
@DumbDuck44 //pets.webmd.com/cats/guide/declawing-cats-positives-negatives-alternatives
opal1920able 1 year ago
@testingway What rubbish. If you are that worried about your house. Don't get a cat. I have three indoor bengal cats, they have scratch posts and I trim the ends of their claws from time to time. They are happy and content. Regarding the comment "If they could talk they would beg you to do it" I really think you should never get a cat if you think this way. You can talk.. would you beg me to chop the end of your fingers off??? I think not.
sm0s3l3y 1 year ago
Been watching video's here for five years....and I have finally found it. This is the lamest Youtube video I have ever watched, hands down. The cheesy singing, the terrible video quality, cats in it, sing along karaoke....
Its so bad that its funny!
XxIanxX 1 year ago
does it hurt the cat if it gets declawed then?
roxygirlzoey 1 year ago
Cats shouldn't be inside period. They are very close to rodents in terms of reasoning ability. They can't be trained, they destroy everything, and cause disease.
testingway 1 year ago
@testingway Really now? When our new cat Guus, a twelve-year-old tabby, came in with his pal Simon, we simply taught both of them to use the scratchingpost. The two of them are both indoor cats and very happy.
Cats are intelligent creatures, and they -can- be trained - but simply not the tricks you can teach a dog, because that's simply not something cats would want to do.
Declawing is illegal in my country. But our house is fine, thank you =)
CandyCrayon91 1 year ago
No don't declaw them. Just let them DESTROY your house. Actually give them a choice (yeah I know, they have just enough brain power to walk). Would they rather fend for themselves in the wild of live a life of luxury inside. If they could talk (and no that annoying whine they always do isn't talking) they would beg you to declaw them.
testingway 1 year ago
@testingway no they wouldnt! i would rather fend for my life in the wild then deal with the complications of having the first bone of my finger cut off. im sure a cat would say the same.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
are you speaking of de-clawing only? or is this an anti-spay, anti neuter video as well?
Just interested
ThisbeandPyramus 1 year ago 4
@ThisbeandPyramus
De-clawing only. Our cats are all neutered, and I think that it is accepted worldwide that neutering is beneficial to the health of the cat, unlike declawing.
jaegercat 1 year ago
@jaegercat ummmm ok let me get this straight ... its ok to chop off your cats balls!!!! and prevent them from procreating which is the most natural thing in the world but declawing is unacceptable ???? im sorry but that seems backwards to me. how can you say that one surgery is any better than another? hypocritical dont you think? i sure think so.
hotchybaba 1 year ago
@jaegercat neutering a cat is bad. the cat notices when a body part is missing. its their freakin genitals. the poor cat doesnt even have a choice! the will of the cat is more important than the health. period. we have no right to force them to give up their testicles. its not a problem. its a feature. its like, feline genital mutilation! if you are male, how would you like to have YOUR testicles cut off?
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson
They're cats, not people. Don't assume that they react to things in the same way as you would. I think that most cat owners, vets, animal specialists consider that cats react positively, both physically and mentally, to neutering.
jaegercat 1 year ago
@jaegercat theyre more like us than you think.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@jaegercat cats are smart. they do not "like" it when you amputate their testicles. if they could choose, they would reject neutering, but were forcing them! thats not fair. its their body. believe it or not, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR HIM!!!
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson "the will of the cat is more important than the health" - this is where you differ from most sane person. If you think that the cat's "need" to produce more kittens, a large number of which wind up feral or euthanised due to overpopulation, than it is for them to live a life free from pyometra (a deadly uterine infection which leads to total hysterectomy anyway) or prostate infections or cancer (leading to death or castration anyway) then you don't deserve to own a pet. Moron
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit FYI, I NEVER SAID THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE KITTENS!!! i just said that they shouldn't have their body altered against thier will! by the way, humans are not simply ALLOWING them to stay in our home, WERE FORCING THEM!!!! besides, we shouldn't think that we ''own" them. cats have a mind of their own, and we must not simply treat them like moving furnature or toys. thats just my opinion, and if you don't like it, thats fine.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Your quote "the will of the cat is more important than the health" implying exactly that. It has been proven scientifically that only two animals on earth copulate for pleasure - humans and dolphins. All others copulate to produce offspring. Therefore the will you refer is to indeed produce kittens. Basic biology, my friend.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit i didn't "imply" anything. also, gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees and bonobos also have sex for pleasure. bonobos even settle fights with sex. look it up. and most cats dont know that mating will cause them to give birth. you are saying that things are proven scientifically when they are not, which i find irritating.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson I find it irritating that you claim to be able to speak for what cats do want. Cats want to eat cooked chicken carcuses, without realising that eating cooked bones could kill them. Cats do things that can be dangerous to them. Mating is such an activity - are you aware for example that female cats, if they miscarriage, start to absorb the deceased kittens, again something that leads to the cat's death. Unlike declawing which is a deplorable practice, desexing benefits the cat.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Stating all those other species does not alter the fact the cat is indeed a species that mates to produce. It certainly isn't pleasurable for them - the feline penis actually has barbs to hold it in place in the vagina which actually tears the flesh, making it a painful experience. Basic biology. Your famous quote "will of the cat is more important than the health" also implies you care very little for the welfare of the cat, it implies you don't care about the health risks.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit how do you know the male cat doesn't find it pleasurable? i gaurantee you, the male cat does NOT know that the female will produce young. and i do in fact care very much for my cats health. it is obvious that you do not think of cats as individuals, and likely have not had a lifelong relationship with a cat. i know the risks of not neutering, but should we really try to pretend to be gods and change their anatomy? it's the breeders who are causing the starvation, not the testicles.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Oh, for fuck's sake, get a fucking clue! You fucking said it yourself, the will of the cat is more important than the health - this PROVES you don't give a shit. What is your experiences with cats? I am currently assisting a friend raising two 4 week old kittens she found abandoned by a feral cat under her house from 2 weeks ago - this involves bottle feeding every few hours. This is the direct result from lack of desexing. I have owned cats for 30 years since the age of 9.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit i think you are simply infering that i "don't give a shit".
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson I'm not inferring that, you're doing a damn good job of that yourself. You also need to understand the different roles different types of breeders contribute. BYB and puppy and kitten mills should be shut down, absolutely. Registered purebred breeders have a strict code of conduct they must comply with in order to be registered, there are the occasional dodgy ones, but on the whole they are the responsible breeders. My friend who is a Burmese breeder, has only 5 litters a year
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit Registered breeders of purebred cats, you will find, will only sell their cats already desexed and not released until 12 weeks of age - entire cats are only sold to other registered breeders and are meticulously screened. The cost of a purebreed cat from a registered breeder barely covers for them the cost of vet bills, worming, desexing, microchipping - procedures BYB and mills simply do not bother to perform. Seems to me your lack of research in this area is also severely lacking
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit perhaps your right about the breeder thing, but i still disagree with you on the neutering. i think that cats would notice when a body part is missing, especially when its, well... down there. i admit that i have not done much research on the breeding of cats, but the fact still remains that cats are concious beings who can think for themselves. in my opinion, cats should have just as much freedom and control over their body as we do.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson How is the cat's enjoyment even the point? Health considerations should always be taking over and above any other consideration. what's the point of their "enjoyment" if they wind up dying from diseases from it? Oh, but that's right, you don't care about the health considerations, do you? And frankly, I'm more willing to accept the findings of research conducted by vets, university professors, etc than some idiot on Youtube. I've cited credible sources, where are your sources?
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Your comparison to prostitution really highlights your immaturity and lack of ability to use common sense in arguments.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson how dare you suggest I don't see cats as individuals. I have had more experience raising cats and rescuing cats than you have had playing World of Warcraft. You really don't know what you're talking about. How about doing a bit of research, know the facts, and UNDERSTAND how irresponsible pet ownership leads DIRECTLY to cat overpopulation, ultimately leading to premature euthanasure of innocent animals, not to mention the health risks, including SEVERAL potentially fatal diseases.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit same thing with hookers. should we neuter them too? the breeders are actually breeding cats on purpose,which in my opinion, contributes to the problem. breeders inseminate female cats and sell the young for the selfish desire for money. they try to make new breeds without thinking about where all those cats will end up. some go to loving homes. others end up on the street. think about this, if every domestic cat were neutered, what would happen to their species? educate yourself.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Your immaturity also leads constantly to your confusion of cat procreation to that of human sexuality. It has been proven scentifically that cats do not think about sex, they act on hormonal impulses. Research by Sydney University School of Veterinary Science (one of the leading vet schools in the world) that psychological and behavioural benefits to desexing include less fighting and spraying, more content due to lack of hormonal response, far reduced risks of spread of FIV, FeLV
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit how do you know cats dont enjoy it? have you interveiwed one?
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson there is no research indicating cats suffer psychologically or behaviourally as a result of desexing. In fact the opposite is true - entire males have shown greatly increased levels of depression and anxiety than their neutered counterparts, not to mention spraying, increased aggression, more instances of territorial fighting thereby increasing the levels of prostate cancer. As for females, have you ever heard a cat in heat and not mated? The yowling! Not happy creatures.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit i guess you have a point there with the female cats. but i still believe that male cats do not know that they will help produce offspring, and pure instinct usually does not account for mating behaviors in most mammals.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson It makes no difference if they know or not. The fact of the matter is, this is not something that should ever be confused with human sexuality, we are aware of what we do, cats act purely on hormones and impulse. Research indicates as such, ultimately without those hormones they don't know any different. I have two young cats - one was desexed at 10 weeks old, the other 6 months, both before they reached sexual maturity. Content cats with no idea of missing bits as you put it.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson whether they are male or female, makes no difference.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit i disagree. you said it yourself that the male has barbs on his penis. the famale cat would find it unpleasent, but not the male. and where is this so called research that says cats do not find pleasure in sex? i'll believe it when i see it.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson I don't think you've read any of my posts, have you?
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson All in all, to summarise your argument, you want to disregard health aspects of undesexed cats (including risks of deadly infections and cancers), behavioural issues and depression PROVEN to be present in undesexed cats (male and female), problems of feral cat populations leading to the unnecessary euthanising of otherwise unhealthy cats, you want to disregard all these which are proven by experts because you yourself are concerned the male is missing out on sex? with no research?
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit no, i simply think that what the cat wants is just as important as his health. your summary of my argument is completely wrong. im tired of having everything i say twisted around by some asswipe so they can have something to attack. this argument is going nowhere, because you're just too arrogant too understand that there may be other ways to control the population and illness problems.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson I don't see how the summary of your argument is wrong when it is merely a condensed version of your own words. You typed them, my friend, not me. You have failed to provide me evidence from experts supporting your arguments, and you let your lack of knowledge on the subject sprout absolutely bollocks. Do some research and realise that what you've been peddling here has absolutely no scientific backing.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit heres what i said, the will of the cat is more important than the health, humans and dolphins aren't the only animals to enjoy sex, and cats are intelligent. two thirds of that is proven facts, the other one third is my opinion. like i said, you have been altering my arguments in an attempt to make me look bad. face it, you don't know what youre talking about. i've seen apes in videos that prove we aren't the only ones who enjoy sex. you have yet to show research proving cats don't.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Thank you for identifying the quote I have the most issue with - to me that quote highlights to me you have little consideration for the cat. And this is where we differ, because for me the health has got to be number one, every time. i haven't altered a single word of your argument, you said it yourself, the health is not as important to you.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit so you think the health is more important, and i think what the cat wants is more important. its obvious that neither of us is going to convince the other that what we think is correct.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Pretty much. So I take it you're not going to provide that evidence then?
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Oh, and for the record, you state you think what the cat wants is more important. All the cat wants is to be happy and loved. I've stated previously (with evidence from researchers, I might add) that cats are happier desexed - at the risk of sounding like a broken record, undesexed cats show greater levels of depression, anxiety and behavioural problems than desexed cats. So what does that tell you?
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson BTW, nice try with that vid you sent me, the one showing homosexual behaviour in animals. I must point out though that his theories have been discredited by many scientists - Dr Martin Daly puts it down to the fact that "all animals will maneuvre around each other before making sexual contact", Dr Frans de Waal explains it as "humans gaining more out of sexual relationships - to animals it's merely non reproductive sexual behaviour". Both argue it's driven from hormones not love.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson all in all that video doesn't prove that by taking away that hormone will result in an unhappy animal - they simply are not aware of what is missing. In fact by keeping those in place and then keeping then animals from reproducing will result in a highly anxious animal with behavioural issues. Cats without these hormones are content and serve to make great pets.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit i think the cats will notice they're gone. btw you did not i repeate DID NOT provide evidence. wheres the freaking article? where is the damn video?! and also, out of the many cats in the world, there must be a couple hundred who live just fine without their testicles, and whose hormones don't screw up their lives as youre suggesting.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson And this is where your childishness comes into play. You're unable to look at this with logic and not emotion. You're not prepared to accept the findings of veterinarians and that makes you frankly quite foolish. A couple of hundred, there you go, that's where your ignorance and immaturity is highlighted right there. As for the video, you PMed me a link. And now you're acting dumb. Nice one.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit ok, A COUPLE THOUSAND!!! is that better?! you really don't seem to have the ability to see things from someone elses point of view, because when you try, you always guess wrong. you seem to think neutering is the only way. guess what, its not! ever here of a feline vasectomy? yeah, they do em. and what about feliway, a spray that calms cats with a soothing pherimone? and by the way, i still didn't get that proof that felines dont enjoy sex (and no,you saying it is not proof).
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Feline vasectomy does not improve the mental wellbeing of a cat. You have chosen to deliberately read what you chose and ignore the research I've posted here a number of times that neutered cats are less stressed and more contented than unneutered cats. Vasectomising cats does nothing to alleviate the stress and depression of entire males. Feliway only does so much, it again does not alleviate what is caused by hormones. It certainly should not be used as a long term measure
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit i don't believe male cats get depressed when they don't have sex if they're not neutered.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Funny, the PM bears your Youtube username. Countless animal psychologists and vets state that undesexed cats do experience depression and stress, but hey, your disbelieving of that is enough for me to sway my opinion, not to mention my 30 years of working in animal rescue. Not.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit i hardly think that you of all people would have very much experience with other animals. you seem much more content to sit here on the computer and argue that cats do not deserve the same respect that you would give humans. i would volunteer at the spca eccept far the fact that my dad won't allow me to unless i get my grades up. and also, im not trying to "sway" your opinion. i'm just defending mine.
bonoboperson 1 year ago
@bonoboperson Me of all people? What is that supposed to mean? How about the countless vets who urge people to desex their cats? Not to mention animal shelters, rescue organisations, breeders (many of whom will only sell their cat desexed), SPCA and other around the world. Are you seriously saying they don't respect animals because they promote and urge desexing? Does none of the information I've given her about health benefits of desexing mean anything? You fail to see the bigger picture
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@bonoboperson My suggestion to you, urge your father to allow you to volunteer, get the opinions of those at the ASPCA, and see the bigger picture. Not just for your own sake but for the sake of any cats you may own either now or in the future.
nupthatisit 1 year ago