Rivers vs Massive Monkees [2/2] (R16 International 2007)

[Holyfiremikey]

I know because I used to actually buy VHS tapes before dvd's were really around, and see Massive Monkees all over the events around different locations even before 2000. Rivers only started really showing up with some of there early exposures in the Expressions 2003 video.

[Physicx001]

@Holyfiremikey what lordsangone said. It doesn't mather how long ur in the game, it's what you bring to the table. If someone is started earlier doesn't say there better. And naming legendary is by actions and influence not but how long ur around. Old ppl are not legendary ppl, but ppl that have influence (no mather the age) are called heros or legendary. So your facts and opinion are not relevant and based. Cause your a (american) bboy yourself right ??

[Holyfiremikey]

@Physicx001 Uhhh, yeah and Massive Monkees have influenced bboying from the late 90's to the early years of 2000, up to that time no one knew who Rivers was internationally. They were a small crew in Korea, it wasn't til 2003 VHS Expressions crew video where they made an appearance that they got a little known, and not only until about 2004 that

[Holyfiremikey]

@Physicx001 they started moving up in name and exposure.

Massive Monkees influenced the game, Rivers brought sick flavor but as far as influence on the world, the Monkees have done it longer trust me. Uhh, I'm Korean American, trained in Hawaii, and trained in Korea for four years and am full blooded Korean, but unlike you, I know my history of bboying.

What do you mean my facts aren't based?

[Holyfiremikey]

@Physicx001 Uhhh, things are based on facts, how can a fact not be based? You're right, it could be irrelevant, but as far as based if it's a fact it's based.

And you are the idiot that doesn't understand. Rivers have not changed bboying, they brought amazing dancers and artists in to it, but they didn't influence the world's style. Massive Monkees

[Holyfiremikey]

@Physicx001 were influencing crews like Rivers on old vhs tapes ALL Korean crews used to watch in the 90's and early 2000, of crews like Massive, Style elements, etc.

I know, because I trained at Korean bboy studios where they have LIBRARIES of old American vhs bboy tapes of crews like this.

So don't talk.

[Holyfiremikey]

Majority of people who commented in this section have NO idea about their hip hop history in the bboy world. It's sad. Massive Monkees members were breaking and winning at big events 15 years ago or so, and Rivers who started coming out to events and winning about 6 years ago, are called legendary in comparison.  Rivers IS amazing!! But you can't say they are legendary compared to Massive when Massive has been in the game about ten years before Rivers.

[haisiqui]

LMFAO why the fuck would massive monkeys do a physicx backflip to shoulder slide when they're versing the crew that has the creator of that transition lollllllllllllllllll

that is hilarious

[superfly000]

rivers didnt bite when they made the routine... get your facts right...

[shounenk]

Yeah i know & monkeys are the one who bite physicxs move where he flips in slides with his shoulder, which was already done earlier in the comp. by physicx so i know the judges must have deducted pts. from mm. They might have been closer to winning if they haven't done that. Everybody always wants to pick on physicx but always end up losing in the end

[Perryownsyou]

2:44, how are the Monkeys going to call that biting? The Rivers are the ones who created the routine. -_-;;?

[NateZen]

Cuz they were shook.

[doink3]

Rivers Bit Super Crew routine...everyone knows.

[Perryownsyou]

Yeah, EVERYONE knows that.

[doink3]

Sorry I meant Battle Monkeys routine....lol

[BboyHazardous]

u do know super crew has battle crew members right?

[Holyfiremikey]

@BboyHazardous But this crew isn't Battle Monkeys, they are Massive Monkees. Battle Monkeys is from California, with Do knock and Rockadile. Massive Monkees are a different crew who I believe were around before Battle Monkeys, Massive is from Seattle, Washington.

[BboyHazardous]

Battle monkey crew members i mean sorry

[lordsangone]

@doink3 yo how can u say that to a legendary crew. if anything bboys bite off of rivers. rivers dont bite, koreans dont bite, yo momma bites.....these nutz! lol

[Holyfiremikey]

@lordsangone Actually Battle monkeys Doink mentioned, has been around longer than Rivers if I'm correct. They were repping in Freestyle session and other jams in early 2000 or even the 90's, way before Rivers started making a noise. Not saying Rivers bit the routine, just saying you can't call Rivers legendary in comparison to Battle Monkeys who were battling at national and international comps before Rivers did.

[lordsangone]

@Holyfiremikey dude i appreciate ur hiphop history lesson but this all started cause of doinks misunderstanding. he called out the wrong crew. and as far as legendary, just cause a crews been around doesnt really say much. its wat they accomplish during that time that counts. u can be legendary almost immediately if ur good enuff.