3D or unmanned STV rejection fast-talk may cost some their program and job: E.g., the LAVI fighter. The 1st in aviation history flights of Stealth, Tailless 3D Vectoring [STV] with mini aero-control, stealth inlets/wing-body design took place in Israel in 1987 [May 18, 1987, Aviation Week]. Unclassified video in Facebook ["Benjamin Gal-Or"] explains sub/supersonic agility/safety gained by STV. EF, f35/f22 are not STV while unmanned NGB or ??? may be. Cf. X-44MANTA, X-47b, RQ-170, T-50, B-2.
Because it's very difficult to find a PC flight simulator which to actually simulate a realistic airflow around the airplane(wings, elevators, etc.) and imply the laws of physics just like in reality for being able to obtain a behaviour as closely as possible to the real aircraft;), what even a multimillion, proffesional simulator tries to do, and still mathematics have a peak point somewhere leaving a gap towards the real thing...!:(
It isn't pointless, and it isn't being stopped. They are going to buy less of them, and they also will be buying many JSF's. We have nothing to shoot at NOW. But how about in 10 years? 20 years? We have no idea what will happen then. These planes will be in service for decades.
And it will be a long time before we can maintain control of an airspace with UAV's. That could be decades away. Until then, we need modern fighters to replace the existing ones that are 30 to 40 years old.
RIP the F22, it won;t be build tin large numbers after all the insane price was even too much for USA. oh well I'm sure 187 will be enough, not just need to work out how to use these stealth babies on RPG carrying pirates and your laughing
Where did you get the stupid idea that the F22 is meant to take out "RPG carrying pirates"? You actually think that's what it was built for?
It isn't hard at all to take out "RPG carrying pirates". VERY easy, actually. What is difficult is taking out "RPG carrying pirates" without killing a lot of hostages and/or innocent Somali fisherman.
You really think ANY modern nation couldn't indiscriminately kill Somali's by the 100's of thousands if they wanted to?
Easy tiger, I was only pointing out having a hugely expensive stealth fighter in the 21st century seems, well at the moment pointless, hence why it's being stopped, no need having 100's more of these things when you have nothing to shoot at.
Put more money into UAV's, we all know that the future of air combat.
You mean the one that crashed in Paris in 1999? Anyway, stall is a regime of flight when the wings loses lift. It has nothing to do with how maneuverable an aircraft is. As for this vid, it shows a stage of the f-22 in during its development phrase when the flight control system is not yet perfected. That goes for every other planes in their development phrase.
what's stall alarm you talking about? stall is a regime of flight. It's not a bad thing or anything. It is just a spectrum of flight. You see pilots go into stall intentionally alot during airshow to do dramatic maneuvers, since it's really eye pleasing. Stall happens when the angle of attack increases dramatically. That's pretty much it. It's not a bad thing to the airframe or anything as long as it maintains control in this regime.
first of all the stall is extremely avoidable by pilots and when they go through it some of them lose their nerves and start calling MAY DAY .. MAY DAY if they can't recover the plane within 30 seconds by most but anyway this is concerning western aircarft but for russians they can play their 22 TONS fighter without worrying about where it lead coz they are still in control even thruogh the back flip and side loop . by all means Russians DON'T rely on computers like the west .
You didn't read my post carefully, friend I said pilots going into stall intentionally ONLY if their aircrafts can be kept in control in this regime of flight, which implied mostly thrust vectoring equipped aircrafts and some others. Secondly, saying that russian aircrafts don't rely on computer to fly is completely nonsense. All modern aircrafts rely on computers to fly. It's called digital fly-by-wire. This is the standard of ALL modern aircrafts. It's what makes it maneuverable.
all modern aircraft, regardless whether russian or american or european, employs digital flight-by-wire. Without their computers, they can't even lift off the ground. By combining an unstable airframe with a computer flight control to constantly correct it, the aircraft's agility greatly enhanced.
1 & 2- complete bullshit. If you saying that the su-27 or mig-29 don't need fly-by-wire to fly, you are telling me that their aircrafts designed to be extremely stable. Having unstable design is an advantage of the su-27. By saying that it's not an unstable airframe, you just discredited the aircraft's capabilities.
you just don't want to admit it but you can watch this series of your most credible channel you have in America . which is Discovery channel and it's series of Wings of the Red Star ...
Wings Of The Red Star - Mig 29 1 to 5 episodes and then maybe you can see and admit the Truth .. Regards
you telling me discovery channel is ignorant enough to defy common knowledge? Not in this world, my friend. you just had absolutely no idea of what you were talking about, so you went on to make baseless claims. When someone corrected you, you just couldn't take it. However, I have to applaud you that you talked with good manner. goodbye!
you just denied your own media . So , let make it clear for all ..
1- F-22 price tag is rocketing towards 230 million $ meanwhile Su-35 or 30 MK price tag is about 45 million $ .
2- F-22 still having a lot of problems with it's Targeting & nav systems plus some other stuff i don't want to get to , Su-30 & 35 are going as scheduled with more options of systems .
3- US just started using TVC & Russians started 1997
4- Russians give better options for much more Less
I never said I disagreed with discovery channel, since you made up your baseless claim. Discovery channel didn't. As for your points,how the hell do they fit into the discussion about stall test and fly-by-wire?you just shown yourself as nothing but the ignorant fanbois who like to bash around the internet. by the way, f-22 price tag is 135 million. US started applied 360 degree TVC back in the late 80's to early 90's with their f-16VISTA or f-15ACTIVE. That's more than a decade before Russia.
you just doing more harm to yourself since the more you talk, the more obvious it looks for educated people to see your immaturity, and ignorance. So it's a good thing that you said good bye.
this site doesn't allow links in reply or some other glitch occurred anyway F-16 VISTA was assigned for test pilot school not research center such as Dryden or any other .
F-15 Active was Advanced control tech for integrated vehicles and experienced TVC for months and not for real installation on F-22 coz it was full of problems and couldn't be controlled correctly .
the Russian lost a great deal of fighters but insisted & it paid off in the best way .. NO MATTER what you think or believe .
shouldn't that be applied to you? still making up lies as somehow they would become reality. the pilot school is Edward base, which is a research center in itself. and what difference does it make? did the f-16VISTA not incorperate TVC? but then I'm sure these US TVC concepts were just failures with bunch of glitches because you want to believe so. You just keep sounding more and more pathetic in your own lies.
from your tone and the words you are using I can tell that you are not F-22 pilot as you claimed in the private message you sent to me after i replied on this clip for the first time and you are trying to defend the dream you want to live with .. Don't force the people to live it with And remember to respect the peoples' opinion no matter whether they agree with you or not ..
THE VIEWERS CAN JUDGE YOU UNCIVILIZED WAY OF TACKLING THIS ISSUE .
I never sent you any message claiming I'm f-22 pilot. Stop being so pathetic and trying to shoot me down by making up stuff. And I didn't know telling the truth is considered uncivilized, and straight out bullshit is considered opinion. Stop joking with yourself, mate.
@aalmzher The US has been using thrust vectoring since early 1957 with the x-14. The British and Americans cooperated since then and the Harriers were thrust vectoring. Don't worry, you're only off by 60+ years on the thrust vectoring. At least you aren't 120 years off.
Hey aalmzzher, I would like to see your SU-35 fighter pull off a mongoose maneuver like the X-31 which is yet another figher in the U.S arsenal that utilized 3D thrust vectoring since 1990. last time I checked 1990 was before 1997...
plus you must be fare regarding non-American products coz this stall test was executed on a very high altitude UNLIKE the Su-30 that does these things on low or high altitude in the same manner .
Of course, it has to be executed at high altitude. It's a freakin' TEST, while your example of the su-30 is during AIRSHOW. You compared an aircraft with computer flight system has passed development phrase with one that was still in its early development phrase. Who the hell is crazy enough to test these kind of things during testing phrase. Same thing applied for su-30 during its testing phrase.
I forgot to tell you one thing. I only flew small civil airplanes, but I never puked during training...I started to, but I didn't since they make YOU clean it up=( Fair and a good incentive
actually its edwards airforce base in california, i used to live near it. it has a long runway like that because its one of the places the shuttle could land if it has trouble.
I've heard it said that the comments on youtube are the best indicator that the cultural IQ is dropping like a stone. Thanks, nellysman, for at least proving THAT right. sheesh
Its role should still be to replace the U.S.'s aging fleet of F-15(x)s. I read in the news the F-15 was flying against some MiGs or Sukois and they had positive radar lock on the F-15 before they had a chance.
Pierre Sprey, the man who designed the F-16 and A-10 fighters say this:
"The F-16A, as it was in 1986, can whip today's F-22," said Sprey. "You'd think the F-22 would be able to whip some antique."
Sprey said the Raptor is too heavy, reliant on sensors and other technology, slow, and too reliant on stealth to be useful in today's combat environment over rough terrain against a relatively unsophisticated, guerilla enemy.
if you consider a lump of tin, held together by bird shit a great plane, your right. mother russia can make a lot of great things. russian aircraft are great, but simply not the level of american planes. its simple, the us high technology,design, material is unmatched. look at the cockpit of a modern russian fighter, look at the design. its a fucking joke.
My "friend", let me say that you are faced by propaganda which focuses on American shitass things. For one, the Sukhoi beareu has aerodynamics that even still pathetic Americans cant explain. And its a disgrace we have better military equpitment since we recently had an economical crisis(collapse of Great CCCP) and we are recovering
i guess thats why king putin is mergin every single russian plane maker into one just to make a profit lol. no more sukhoi. welcome russian state owned aviation aircraft lol
Bullshit. Russian aviators still create designs of successful aircraft or modifications to older versions. So basically, Russia has the people and money to keeps its army wealthy and great
Why do you exactly shit on everything Russian, and kiss ass, without any justification, anything "american"! I could perhaps agree with you, and even back you up, but all u say is: "US shit is the smelliest"...not a single fact of explanatio of why that is and how come!
you screw up on anything for the military in Russia, and they will put you in front of a firing squad,no questions asked.Every weapon made,must first be reliable,robust,tough,and then high tech. Simplicity thru design, combined with high tech.The Su-37 is so maneverable, that the plane exceeds the ability of most pilots, who become disoriented with the complex maneovers.
I agree with the Ruskie, that country is a miracle, economically and militarily, especially when you take into account all the hardships they have endured... They started over, from zero, twice in the last 60 years! Where would the US be in their shoes?
Wrong!Deployed to Okinawa to see if the stealth works. All dogfighting capability good,matches the Chinese and Russian Su-27and Su-37,but picked out by new Chinese Radar.Stealth broken with new Chicom radar.
They are going to have to use plasma generators and lasers for this fighter to be effective at breaking signature.
ya i dont realy see the red triangle thing inbettween the tails. but the resolution is very poor so maybe its there... i know they now have a chute on the high aoa test f22
Most airplanes are designed and tested so that they dont behave badly in a stall, you are right that most will eventually stabilise themselves but a lot of high performance fighters dont as they sacrifice safety for speed and maneuverability
ur supposed to 'head down' and turn into direction of spin using rudders till recovery in a 'normal' craft i think. pretty cool this plane does it by itself that quickly!
The serbs brught down an F 117 because they made eye contact, and once you make eye contact you can direct your laser guided missiles. However the Stealth tecnology of the F 22 has nothing to do with the F 117's...this plane was designed using logos, they didnt have enough computer capability thats the reason for ts shape.
[quote]The serbs brought down a couple of f-117's so the russian tech can detect the US stealth i guess. [/quote]
The only reason they SAW the F-117 was because of an "issue" with the jet. I am not at liberty to say exactly what...but they got LUCKY. If the "jet" and maintenance crew hadn't malfunctioned/f-ed up it would still be in inventory.
And it was only 1. And everyone that was dancing on top of the wreckage is dead. Servs them right.
First you tube video comments that actually came from intelligent people.(except a few)Good to know that all youtubers aren't "I think I know everything" teenagers.
3Dsmoke, during a stall, the pilot mostly feels ZERO G's. Weightlessness. Coming out of it does not have to be as extreme either. Chimera15, this is an INDUCED stall. However this was an INDUCED stall. All modern fighters are stall tested. Pilots and avionics engineers need to know how easy it is to get the aircraft into and out-of a stall condition. The F22, with it's most incredible massive-phased-array RADAR can also kill Mig-29's well before the Mig-29 could ever see it.
I essentially said that the F22 dominates in BVR combat and you said that the Mig sucks in BVR combat. So how is what I said a bad example? It is a fact which you confirm.
not to forget that the first electronically scanned phased array was installed on mig31's, and those interceptors to this day have the most powerful radar of any fighters.
In 1975? Strange, Luis Alvarez came up with the idea in 1941 and a prototype of his system called "Eagle" was successfully flight-tested on 16 June 1943. Are you a revisionist? I realise that the Germans also discovered electronically steerable phased array antennas around the same time, so I don't know who really came up with it first. But I would not attribute that to the Russians.
The more powerful the Mig-31 RADAR, the further away the F-22 will be able to detect and locate that emission, well before it is strong enough to become a usable return signal for the Mig-31. The F22 will be relying on stealth, with its RADAR off and using supporting ground and AWACS RADAR to get into a position of power. No matter how sensitive the Mig-31's RADAR is, it can't be enough to detect the F22 without alerting the F22.
unless the Mig-31 emission is a pseudorandom spread-spectrum sequence. Which is the same thing the F-22 uses if it's of any value. i don't care who invented the phased array; i meant actually mounting one on a jet, not a ground-based prototype.
Spread spectrum will hamper, certainly, since wide spectrum radios are far less sensitive while looking at a wide window of spectrum. I would very much doubt that the US could detect enough of the sequence and then analyse it. Since decent PRNG's can have astronomically long maximal lengths. But I would not doubt that the disparity between detectable signal and returnable signal would provide enough time and samples to actually detect at least a single hit.
I accidentally hit "mark as spam" on one of your comments when I meant to hit "reply". Sorry about that. I hope it is not marked. I don't understand how one of mine was accepted as spam, but anyway. The prototype in 1935 was mounted on the leading edge of wings on an aircraft, with the system hooked up to weapons sights. As far as jet fighters go, the Mig-31 very well may have been the first.
Any fighter plane that can perfectly guide the amraam aim-120 (needs a radar like that of the raptor) can handle a raptor. The serbs brought down a couple of f-117's so the russian tech can detect the US stealth i guess.
A typical engagement starts with the aircraft's radar detecting and tracking the target. Just prior to launch, the launch aircraft's fire-control software will download the inertial data for the target to the missile.
This provides the AIM-120 with navigation data allowing the AMRAAM's onboard autopilot to guide the missile to the predicted location of the target. Updates from the launch aircraft provide mid-course corrections to the missile in order to provide the most accurate range and bearing data to the autopilot.
Once the missile has reached the destination indicated by the autopilot, the AIM-120's onboard radar engages in an active search for the target. Once acquired, the radar will guide the missile the final distance to the target. Because the radar only activates during the terminal phase of the missile's flight, the target receives little warning. As a result, the opposing pilot has only a few seconds to engage countermeasures and/or begin evasive maneuvers.
lol a stall recovery test. search for Mig-29, Su-27, Su-30, Su-33, Su-35, Su-37, or Su-47; to see what those airplanes can do while _fully under control_.
They can get blown out of the air by the F-22's hugely superior radar capabilities. The Raptor isn't the best jet because of its agility and control, it's the best because it's so insanely smart- and happens to have great agility and control.
i am not sure you understand. those russian airplanes have superior radar (something else F22 had to sacrifice for stealth) and superior computers (because this is how maneuvers are controlled). the aiplane that can turn faster towards the enemy to fire a missle, wins.
not to mention that our stealth is based on a completely different radar band than we thought russians rely on. please people, go into damn engineering school, we really need to get ahead.
It is astonishing how many uninformed people spout crap here and the rest of the internet. As an old RADAR guy, I can tell you that RADAR stealth comes mostly down to simple old angle of incidence equals angle of reflection. The rest is absorbtion. It is the absorbtion bit which is most susceptible to frequency changes, however since it plays the smaller role, it does not matter as much.
It will absorb and re-radiate well in a pattern desired by the engineers.
And just how effective are the enemies RADAR antennas going to be if they are expected to illuminate the F22 at the frequency of lambda? When were are talking about lots of little antennas which can fit in the nose and around something the size of a jet fighter?
without falling back to the argument about ground/space tracking, i think the radar on fighter jets is expensive enough to not have its aperture restricted by geometric size. furthermore, you say we can predict and change the radiation pattern of an unknown time-domain pulse? I would like to see that simulation.
Jet fighter RADAR is high frequency for a reason. It is the most efficient for the confines typical of a jet fighter. It's also high resolution. AWACS have the luxury of effective medium and high frequency RADAR and ground based of those and low frequency. If you are talking about the cross section of the F22 as a lambda/2 antenna, then jet fighter RADAR won't be very efficient at that frequency.
regarding the antenna size estimates, i am almost positive that the russians have access to materials with εr > 1, like say, plastic. ...but yeah, i realized you are right. we will always have the best airplanes because we jave Jesus, so we don't need any more engineers. let's all just watch football instead.
Jesus? Haha, okay. I am actually not American. I am Australian. So I am not flying a flag and I do very much respect the Russians. I just don't believe, based on what the public "knows" about these two machines, that the Mig-31 has an advantage over the F22. But really, based on my knowledge of USN, RAN and some French equipment, from around 20 years ago, I know that the public really does not know shit. So really arguements about F22 vs Mig31 are kinda pointless.
it's area 51 ?
MakarowskiVideo 2 months ago
Amazing pilot! "Holy Shit!" "Copy that"
IslandsHD 4 months ago
they should do that in the airshows. it will suprize many
DE4THF1RE 8 months ago
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3D or unmanned STV rejection fast-talk may cost some their program and job: E.g., the LAVI fighter. The 1st in aviation history flights of Stealth, Tailless 3D Vectoring [STV] with mini aero-control, stealth inlets/wing-body design took place in Israel in 1987 [May 18, 1987, Aviation Week]. Unclassified video in Facebook ["Benjamin Gal-Or"] explains sub/supersonic agility/safety gained by STV. EF, f35/f22 are not STV while unmanned NGB or ??? may be. Cf. X-44MANTA, X-47b, RQ-170, T-50, B-2.
1Bengalor 1 year ago
@2bpilot count me in!
oh i just noticed you must be kidding...2bpilot
youztuber5000 1 year ago
I looked like it only took maybe 4000 - 6000 ft to recover that if even that much.
wolf1010 1 year ago
HAHAHA that was so fu@*ing funny!!!
HOLY SHIT!
copy that.... XD
paravidinopatrick 1 year ago
better have some altitude before you stall that bad boy!!! nice recovery!!
globemaster68 1 year ago
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coloclone 1 year ago
@MaralizeLegawana What if the author missed the right word and used "stall" instead of "spin"?LOL
Maverickf22flyer 1 year ago
fly this like a uav and this plane could turn on a fucking dime
larlar752000 2 years ago
Yeah, i do this all the time in flight simulator :D
Dmetrey437 2 years ago
@Dmetrey437 Which flight simulator mate?
Because it's very difficult to find a PC flight simulator which to actually simulate a realistic airflow around the airplane(wings, elevators, etc.) and imply the laws of physics just like in reality for being able to obtain a behaviour as closely as possible to the real aircraft;), what even a multimillion, proffesional simulator tries to do, and still mathematics have a peak point somewhere leaving a gap towards the real thing...!:(
Maverickf22flyer 1 year ago
uncomfortable??
Weltbevoelkerung 2 years ago
Man, the pilot must feel like he's being squashed when he pulls something like that off.
bigred2989 2 years ago 2
Looks more like a spin test
CableHills 2 years ago
Holy s***=copy that hahjaa
BulgarianInCanada 2 years ago 2
I would be unhappy too. That sucks! Awesome job at recovery though. Stall = not a fun experience.
azraelnocturne 2 years ago
Lol holy shit! Imagine the force of the stall hahaha! and the speed of all that metal just falling from the sky!
PlatinumG 2 years ago
This happens in Microsoft Flight Simulator
robert0joe 2 years ago
Fucking awesome!!!
trav1971 2 years ago
shows how capable the raptor is. -even through mistakes- new maneuver and headways have been experimented.
bOjAnGlEdShEnAnIgAns 2 years ago
and death will be experimented too! great job from the pilot...he shited his pants...
UndeadLeviathan 2 years ago
Well..The pilot was unhappy during the test :)
syarilrock 2 years ago 2
yeh
fai1saf3 2 years ago
-holy shit
-copy that
lol'd
atakany 2 years ago 60
yeah :D rofl!
Saiien3 2 years ago
XD lol
ThePCMaster2000 2 years ago
XDXD LOL!!!
Holy ----!
Copy that
robert0joe 2 years ago
loose articlesssss! lol
jwalsh8 2 years ago
scary as hell
xshane 2 years ago
omg, that gotta hurt :S
CharginMahRadar 2 years ago
It isn't pointless, and it isn't being stopped. They are going to buy less of them, and they also will be buying many JSF's. We have nothing to shoot at NOW. But how about in 10 years? 20 years? We have no idea what will happen then. These planes will be in service for decades.
And it will be a long time before we can maintain control of an airspace with UAV's. That could be decades away. Until then, we need modern fighters to replace the existing ones that are 30 to 40 years old.
digitalcrypt 2 years ago
RIP the F22, it won;t be build tin large numbers after all the insane price was even too much for USA. oh well I'm sure 187 will be enough, not just need to work out how to use these stealth babies on RPG carrying pirates and your laughing
eblevinda 2 years ago
Where did you get the stupid idea that the F22 is meant to take out "RPG carrying pirates"? You actually think that's what it was built for?
It isn't hard at all to take out "RPG carrying pirates". VERY easy, actually. What is difficult is taking out "RPG carrying pirates" without killing a lot of hostages and/or innocent Somali fisherman.
You really think ANY modern nation couldn't indiscriminately kill Somali's by the 100's of thousands if they wanted to?
digitalcrypt 2 years ago
Easy tiger, I was only pointing out having a hugely expensive stealth fighter in the 21st century seems, well at the moment pointless, hence why it's being stopped, no need having 100's more of these things when you have nothing to shoot at.
Put more money into UAV's, we all know that the future of air combat.
eblevinda 2 years ago
Really then why are the Russians developing one too?
eviltwin777 2 years ago
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I am happy to announce that an f-22 and the pilot were terminated the other week. May many more follow in the future!
ChesterDoraemon 2 years ago
You suck
staniscanner 2 years ago
hahahaa he was gona die just watch the su30 demo and you well know whats the stall means
aalmzher 3 years ago
You mean the one that crashed in Paris in 1999? Anyway, stall is a regime of flight when the wings loses lift. It has nothing to do with how maneuverable an aircraft is. As for this vid, it shows a stage of the f-22 in during its development phrase when the flight control system is not yet perfected. That goes for every other planes in their development phrase.
stealthyf23 3 years ago
Thanks for your comment but 1 Q what makes the stall alarm started in the system?
i mean where is the stall sensors exactly
aalmzher 3 years ago
what's stall alarm you talking about? stall is a regime of flight. It's not a bad thing or anything. It is just a spectrum of flight. You see pilots go into stall intentionally alot during airshow to do dramatic maneuvers, since it's really eye pleasing. Stall happens when the angle of attack increases dramatically. That's pretty much it. It's not a bad thing to the airframe or anything as long as it maintains control in this regime.
stealthyf23 3 years ago
first of all the stall is extremely avoidable by pilots and when they go through it some of them lose their nerves and start calling MAY DAY .. MAY DAY if they can't recover the plane within 30 seconds by most but anyway this is concerning western aircarft but for russians they can play their 22 TONS fighter without worrying about where it lead coz they are still in control even thruogh the back flip and side loop . by all means Russians DON'T rely on computers like the west .
aalmzher 2 years ago
You didn't read my post carefully, friend I said pilots going into stall intentionally ONLY if their aircrafts can be kept in control in this regime of flight, which implied mostly thrust vectoring equipped aircrafts and some others. Secondly, saying that russian aircrafts don't rely on computer to fly is completely nonsense. All modern aircrafts rely on computers to fly. It's called digital fly-by-wire. This is the standard of ALL modern aircrafts. It's what makes it maneuverable.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
all modern aircraft, regardless whether russian or american or european, employs digital flight-by-wire. Without their computers, they can't even lift off the ground. By combining an unstable airframe with a computer flight control to constantly correct it, the aircraft's agility greatly enhanced.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
I strongly agree with you regarding digital fly-by-wire BUT 3 things to remind you ..
1- Russian aircraft designed basically without DFBW and at the last tests it will will employed .
2- all Su-27 family fighters Pilots switch DFBW system OFF before excuting Cobra or Gorza .
3- Russians Demonistrated Cobra far before TVC technology
aalmzher 2 years ago
1 & 2- complete bullshit. If you saying that the su-27 or mig-29 don't need fly-by-wire to fly, you are telling me that their aircrafts designed to be extremely stable. Having unstable design is an advantage of the su-27. By saying that it's not an unstable airframe, you just discredited the aircraft's capabilities.
3-have nothing to do with the discussion
stealthyf23 2 years ago
you just don't want to admit it but you can watch this series of your most credible channel you have in America . which is Discovery channel and it's series of Wings of the Red Star ...
Wings Of The Red Star - Mig 29 1 to 5 episodes and then maybe you can see and admit the Truth .. Regards
aalmzher 2 years ago
you telling me discovery channel is ignorant enough to defy common knowledge? Not in this world, my friend. you just had absolutely no idea of what you were talking about, so you went on to make baseless claims. When someone corrected you, you just couldn't take it. However, I have to applaud you that you talked with good manner. goodbye!
stealthyf23 2 years ago
you just denied your own media . So , let make it clear for all ..
1- F-22 price tag is rocketing towards 230 million $ meanwhile Su-35 or 30 MK price tag is about 45 million $ .
2- F-22 still having a lot of problems with it's Targeting & nav systems plus some other stuff i don't want to get to , Su-30 & 35 are going as scheduled with more options of systems .
3- US just started using TVC & Russians started 1997
4- Russians give better options for much more Less
Take Care
aalmzher 2 years ago
I never said I disagreed with discovery channel, since you made up your baseless claim. Discovery channel didn't. As for your points,how the hell do they fit into the discussion about stall test and fly-by-wire?you just shown yourself as nothing but the ignorant fanbois who like to bash around the internet. by the way, f-22 price tag is 135 million. US started applied 360 degree TVC back in the late 80's to early 90's with their f-16VISTA or f-15ACTIVE. That's more than a decade before Russia.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
you just doing more harm to yourself since the more you talk, the more obvious it looks for educated people to see your immaturity, and ignorance. So it's a good thing that you said good bye.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
this site doesn't allow links in reply or some other glitch occurred anyway F-16 VISTA was assigned for test pilot school not research center such as Dryden or any other .
F-15 Active was Advanced control tech for integrated vehicles and experienced TVC for months and not for real installation on F-22 coz it was full of problems and couldn't be controlled correctly .
the Russian lost a great deal of fighters but insisted & it paid off in the best way .. NO MATTER what you think or believe .
aalmzher 2 years ago
"no matter what you think or believe"
shouldn't that be applied to you? still making up lies as somehow they would become reality. the pilot school is Edward base, which is a research center in itself. and what difference does it make? did the f-16VISTA not incorperate TVC? but then I'm sure these US TVC concepts were just failures with bunch of glitches because you want to believe so. You just keep sounding more and more pathetic in your own lies.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
from your tone and the words you are using I can tell that you are not F-22 pilot as you claimed in the private message you sent to me after i replied on this clip for the first time and you are trying to defend the dream you want to live with .. Don't force the people to live it with And remember to respect the peoples' opinion no matter whether they agree with you or not ..
THE VIEWERS CAN JUDGE YOU UNCIVILIZED WAY OF TACKLING THIS ISSUE .
aalmzher 2 years ago
I never sent you any message claiming I'm f-22 pilot. Stop being so pathetic and trying to shoot me down by making up stuff. And I didn't know telling the truth is considered uncivilized, and straight out bullshit is considered opinion. Stop joking with yourself, mate.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
@aalmzher The US has been using thrust vectoring since early 1957 with the x-14. The British and Americans cooperated since then and the Harriers were thrust vectoring. Don't worry, you're only off by 60+ years on the thrust vectoring. At least you aren't 120 years off.
Chopin742 2 years ago 9
Hey aalmzzher, I would like to see your SU-35 fighter pull off a mongoose maneuver like the X-31 which is yet another figher in the U.S arsenal that utilized 3D thrust vectoring since 1990. last time I checked 1990 was before 1997...
CRFpilot22 2 years ago
@aalmzher -Russians stall all the time. The manuevers they are proud about are called "post-stall maneuvers"
Chopin742 2 years ago
plus you must be fare regarding non-American products coz this stall test was executed on a very high altitude UNLIKE the Su-30 that does these things on low or high altitude in the same manner .
aalmzher 2 years ago
Of course, it has to be executed at high altitude. It's a freakin' TEST, while your example of the su-30 is during AIRSHOW. You compared an aircraft with computer flight system has passed development phrase with one that was still in its early development phrase. Who the hell is crazy enough to test these kind of things during testing phrase. Same thing applied for su-30 during its testing phrase.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
oh my god
dforedoom 3 years ago
wow
TheLoLunator 3 years ago
It would be such a rush, if I was a second passenger watching him fly this bad bird.
Give respect to test pilot's!
145Slap789 3 years ago
It would be extremely uncomfortable. I promise you. Even doing minor stalls in small planes is uncomfortble, this would be much worse.
Chopin742 3 years ago
I believe you!.....
145Slap789 3 years ago
I forgot to tell you one thing. I only flew small civil airplanes, but I never puked during training...I started to, but I didn't since they make YOU clean it up=( Fair and a good incentive
Chopin742 3 years ago
Ah... Piece of cake. ;]
I think he did copy that "holy sh*t" ... lol!
ailujulia 3 years ago
Pilot and ground views of stall-spin-recovery...very nice! Does the pilot say "holy sh**t" and control "copy that" at 0:35?
Love it!
Mathview 3 years ago
thats one long ass runway, could it be area 51?... -_-
lemob182 3 years ago
actually its edwards airforce base in california, i used to live near it. it has a long runway like that because its one of the places the shuttle could land if it has trouble.
ryanjordansara 3 years ago
Stop that crazy shit man I wont bow down to anything. I just like the F-22 and if you or anyone else doesn't then fine. CHILL!
YahwehisGreat 3 years ago
I've heard it said that the comments on youtube are the best indicator that the cultural IQ is dropping like a stone. Thanks, nellysman, for at least proving THAT right. sheesh
etsisk 3 years ago
you understand that foaming at the mouth like that makes you look really foolish, right? I mean, you know that, right?
sheesh.
etsisk 3 years ago
WOW xxxx that xxx
Darkfoster22 3 years ago
LOL that's crazy.
cool as hell, but crazy.
good thing he didn't redout.
TAWpilot07 3 years ago
he wasn't having too much fun that's for sure
netlord 3 years ago 2
wow! recovered really fast! look people f-22 is not my favorite jet but you cant say it sucks its a marvel of aviation engineering!
skatetolive101 3 years ago
of course it recovered fast its the f22..whats ur favorite jet and u sk8 right whats ur best trick?
smarr55 3 years ago
i dunno like fakie big flip i kinda suck cuz i kinda quit but yeah
skatetolive101 3 years ago
Holy Lalalala Copy that xD
joaofga123 3 years ago
Amazing and gorgeous aircraft, sadly it's more or less a terrible investment for the U.S. Air force as it lacks a specific role.
wolf1010 3 years ago
F22s role=Air Superiority.
jayers2 3 years ago
Its role should still be to replace the U.S.'s aging fleet of F-15(x)s. I read in the news the F-15 was flying against some MiGs or Sukois and they had positive radar lock on the F-15 before they had a chance.
YahwehisGreat 3 years ago 3
Try modernized mig-21s... They had a mock engagement exercise between U.S. Air Force F-15s and F-16s, and Indian airforce mig-21 bisons. Migs won.
TheCrazyFinn 3 years ago
I think this is a spin, not a stall?
reynaldo05 4 years ago
yep........flat spin
eodfan 3 years ago
reynaldo, you have to stall to go into a spin...
fullmetaldiego 3 years ago
Yes, I'm sure you're right, that's the process... (From a stall to a spin) but what we see it IS in fact a spin, not a stall.
reynaldo05 3 years ago
hahaha imagine dogfighting against a guy who uses this move as a TACTIC!
jdubdc 4 years ago 2
That would be the shortest dogfight in the history of air combat! XD
TheCrazyFinn 3 years ago
"HOLY S@#$!!!" ... "copy that"
schectershredder7 4 years ago
a lot of G forces,
myosat 4 years ago 3
i think position of center of gravity of the plane help recover from stall, mostly just in front of pilot's seats,
myosat 4 years ago 2
pilot: holy shit
ground crew: copy that
louis731 4 years ago 5
Pierre Sprey, the man who designed the F-16 and A-10 fighters say this:
"The F-16A, as it was in 1986, can whip today's F-22," said Sprey. "You'd think the F-22 would be able to whip some antique."
Sprey said the Raptor is too heavy, reliant on sensors and other technology, slow, and too reliant on stealth to be useful in today's combat environment over rough terrain against a relatively unsophisticated, guerilla enemy.
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
The best aircraft in the current world is the Sukhoi 47.
RussianMan2008 4 years ago
says who, you? lol
doubledeckertaco 4 years ago
Yea me! what the fuck are you going to do about that?
RussianMan2008 4 years ago
if you consider a lump of tin, held together by bird shit a great plane, your right. mother russia can make a lot of great things. russian aircraft are great, but simply not the level of american planes. its simple, the us high technology,design, material is unmatched. look at the cockpit of a modern russian fighter, look at the design. its a fucking joke.
doubledeckertaco 4 years ago
My "friend", let me say that you are faced by propaganda which focuses on American shitass things. For one, the Sukhoi beareu has aerodynamics that even still pathetic Americans cant explain. And its a disgrace we have better military equpitment since we recently had an economical crisis(collapse of Great CCCP) and we are recovering
RussianMan2008 4 years ago
i guess thats why king putin is mergin every single russian plane maker into one just to make a profit lol. no more sukhoi. welcome russian state owned aviation aircraft lol
doubledeckertaco 4 years ago
Bullshit. Russian aviators still create designs of successful aircraft or modifications to older versions. So basically, Russia has the people and money to keeps its army wealthy and great
RussianMan2008 4 years ago
i am not a hater of russian aircraft, i want firedepartment in north america to buy beriv be-200
doubledeckertaco 4 years ago
Why do you exactly shit on everything Russian, and kiss ass, without any justification, anything "american"! I could perhaps agree with you, and even back you up, but all u say is: "US shit is the smelliest"...not a single fact of explanatio of why that is and how come!
Kamenolom 4 years ago
you screw up on anything for the military in Russia, and they will put you in front of a firing squad,no questions asked.Every weapon made,must first be reliable,robust,tough,and then high tech. Simplicity thru design, combined with high tech.The Su-37 is so maneverable, that the plane exceeds the ability of most pilots, who become disoriented with the complex maneovers.
victor1566 4 years ago
I agree with the Ruskie, that country is a miracle, economically and militarily, especially when you take into account all the hardships they have endured... They started over, from zero, twice in the last 60 years! Where would the US be in their shoes?
Kamenolom 4 years ago
its not even in service dipshit...
xrazgrizxraptorx 4 years ago
uh yeah, it is, the F-22A Is going into service now especially with the majority of our f-15's grounded for inspection due to structural problems
RaptorX34 4 years ago
Wrong!Deployed to Okinawa to see if the stealth works. All dogfighting capability good,matches the Chinese and Russian Su-27and Su-37,but picked out by new Chinese Radar.Stealth broken with new Chicom radar.
They are going to have to use plasma generators and lasers for this fighter to be effective at breaking signature.
victor1566 4 years ago
You should let the Pentagon know before they build any more useless junk.
drapdv 4 years ago
AGibbs: are you telling me this guy let go of the controls to test the stall recovery? This is an unusually coupled stall - nasty.
Maxwell2323 4 years ago
Do you know...
During this test the Raptor has mounted a special parachute...
(curiosity)
fondacaroalfonso 4 years ago
ya i dont realy see the red triangle thing inbettween the tails. but the resolution is very poor so maybe its there... i know they now have a chute on the high aoa test f22
zmespeed 4 years ago
It's definitely there. When it goes to the outside cam, you can see it as it's falling.
CardinalBaseball 4 years ago
Very nice.
CardinalBaseball 4 years ago
Most airplanes are designed and tested so that they dont behave badly in a stall, you are right that most will eventually stabilise themselves but a lot of high performance fighters dont as they sacrifice safety for speed and maneuverability
smad333 4 years ago
That must put a lot of stress on the aircraft.
Dejablue630 5 years ago
did he recover the stall or did the plane do it by itself? I thought I heard him say "controls release" or sumtin like that..?
DYIFFAW 5 years ago
it was the plane. when you're in a stall, you're suppose to let go of the controls, the plane recovers by itself. All planes do that I think.
blueronin 4 years ago
ur supposed to 'head down' and turn into direction of spin using rudders till recovery in a 'normal' craft i think. pretty cool this plane does it by itself that quickly!
DYIFFAW 4 years ago
Lol, you're right. me being an idiot; went from memory instead of taking 2 seconds to double check online. thanks for the correction though
blueronin 4 years ago
thats nice, shows how much handling it has even in stall. The jet never ceases to amaze me.
SlikBakDAPIMP 5 years ago
The F-22 sure has a nice HUD !!!
SnowAlpineBunny 5 years ago
God i love this plane. Amazing aerobatic skills. Gotta be hard on the body though. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
drummer7122 5 years ago
The serbs brught down an F 117 because they made eye contact, and once you make eye contact you can direct your laser guided missiles. However the Stealth tecnology of the F 22 has nothing to do with the F 117's...this plane was designed using logos, they didnt have enough computer capability thats the reason for ts shape.
Donostiarra75 5 years ago
(On the design of the F-117) Your wrong. Try again. The design of the plane with the flat pointed surfaces was objective from the get-go.
afdude23 4 years ago
[quote]The serbs brought down a couple of f-117's so the russian tech can detect the US stealth i guess. [/quote]
The only reason they SAW the F-117 was because of an "issue" with the jet. I am not at liberty to say exactly what...but they got LUCKY. If the "jet" and maintenance crew hadn't malfunctioned/f-ed up it would still be in inventory.
And it was only 1. And everyone that was dancing on top of the wreckage is dead. Servs them right.
afdude23 5 years ago
Weapons bay door not well closed... And yes the aircraft was destroyed...
RAVENSTAR1973 4 years ago
Heat LOVES the cock! Go watch Dos Gringo's Gunz video and see why there are at least 2 viper pilots we should let live.
CarpeSimian 5 years ago
First you tube video comments that actually came from intelligent people.(except a few)Good to know that all youtubers aren't "I think I know everything" teenagers.
"Engage brain before putting mouth in gear"
bluelaser2000 5 years ago
hahahaahhahhhahaah @ comment above i agree
Crackwhore86 5 years ago
what happens if the test failes lol???
ramezest 5 years ago
i belive they eject!
ep4606 5 years ago
very hard test i might say
one of the most dangerous tests
but hey, some ppl say F22 is better than russian gadgets
well, depends on the skill of the pilot
russians use less simulators XD
hilfepolizei 5 years ago
hahaha
"Holy shi*beedoobeedoo*"
AnotherClich3 5 years ago
LMAO
pilot: *holy shit!*
command: *copy that.*
lol
insanecrusader 5 years ago
Wow I had no idea posting this video would spawn a long ass argument about radar...go figure
mig8769 5 years ago
For EVERY SINGLE MILITARY VIDEO either something like this happens, or people get into politics.
AnotherClich3 5 years ago
right it sucks at stalls yet it has TVC capabilities and has already done your famous russian cobras.
chloroxjello 5 years ago
lol tht's a experienced pilot lol nothing much
Raynaldinho 5 years ago
this aircraft suck at stalls.
Lepo00 5 years ago
dont embarrass russians with your uninformed comments.
realbiggun500 5 years ago
oh god... that's a good bit of negative G, though.
aaron8862006 5 years ago
3Dsmoke, during a stall, the pilot mostly feels ZERO G's. Weightlessness. Coming out of it does not have to be as extreme either. Chimera15, this is an INDUCED stall. However this was an INDUCED stall. All modern fighters are stall tested. Pilots and avionics engineers need to know how easy it is to get the aircraft into and out-of a stall condition. The F22, with it's most incredible massive-phased-array RADAR can also kill Mig-29's well before the Mig-29 could ever see it.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
the mig bigest weakness is BVR-combat... bad example!
fuesel 5 years ago
I essentially said that the F22 dominates in BVR combat and you said that the Mig sucks in BVR combat. So how is what I said a bad example? It is a fact which you confirm.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
not to forget that the first electronically scanned phased array was installed on mig31's, and those interceptors to this day have the most powerful radar of any fighters.
icn001 5 years ago
In 1975? Strange, Luis Alvarez came up with the idea in 1941 and a prototype of his system called "Eagle" was successfully flight-tested on 16 June 1943. Are you a revisionist? I realise that the Germans also discovered electronically steerable phased array antennas around the same time, so I don't know who really came up with it first. But I would not attribute that to the Russians.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
The more powerful the Mig-31 RADAR, the further away the F-22 will be able to detect and locate that emission, well before it is strong enough to become a usable return signal for the Mig-31. The F22 will be relying on stealth, with its RADAR off and using supporting ground and AWACS RADAR to get into a position of power. No matter how sensitive the Mig-31's RADAR is, it can't be enough to detect the F22 without alerting the F22.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
unless the Mig-31 emission is a pseudorandom spread-spectrum sequence. Which is the same thing the F-22 uses if it's of any value. i don't care who invented the phased array; i meant actually mounting one on a jet, not a ground-based prototype.
icn001 5 years ago
Spread spectrum will hamper, certainly, since wide spectrum radios are far less sensitive while looking at a wide window of spectrum. I would very much doubt that the US could detect enough of the sequence and then analyse it. Since decent PRNG's can have astronomically long maximal lengths. But I would not doubt that the disparity between detectable signal and returnable signal would provide enough time and samples to actually detect at least a single hit.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
I accidentally hit "mark as spam" on one of your comments when I meant to hit "reply". Sorry about that. I hope it is not marked. I don't understand how one of mine was accepted as spam, but anyway. The prototype in 1935 was mounted on the leading edge of wings on an aircraft, with the system hooked up to weapons sights. As far as jet fighters go, the Mig-31 very well may have been the first.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
Sorry. Scratch 1935 and make in 1943. I should probably go to bed.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
Any fighter plane that can perfectly guide the amraam aim-120 (needs a radar like that of the raptor) can handle a raptor. The serbs brought down a couple of f-117's so the russian tech can detect the US stealth i guess.
sinanco 5 years ago
They brought down one f-117, and they got lucky because of the placement of their SAM site.
Shadowboost 5 years ago
A typical engagement starts with the aircraft's radar detecting and tracking the target. Just prior to launch, the launch aircraft's fire-control software will download the inertial data for the target to the missile.
sinanco 5 years ago
This provides the AIM-120 with navigation data allowing the AMRAAM's onboard autopilot to guide the missile to the predicted location of the target. Updates from the launch aircraft provide mid-course corrections to the missile in order to provide the most accurate range and bearing data to the autopilot.
sinanco 5 years ago
Once the missile has reached the destination indicated by the autopilot, the AIM-120's onboard radar engages in an active search for the target. Once acquired, the radar will guide the missile the final distance to the target. Because the radar only activates during the terminal phase of the missile's flight, the target receives little warning. As a result, the opposing pilot has only a few seconds to engage countermeasures and/or begin evasive maneuvers.
sinanco 5 years ago
lol a stall recovery test. search for Mig-29, Su-27, Su-30, Su-33, Su-35, Su-37, or Su-47; to see what those airplanes can do while _fully under control_.
icn001 5 years ago
They can get blown out of the air by the F-22's hugely superior radar capabilities. The Raptor isn't the best jet because of its agility and control, it's the best because it's so insanely smart- and happens to have great agility and control.
mitcht09 5 years ago 2
i am not sure you understand. those russian airplanes have superior radar (something else F22 had to sacrifice for stealth) and superior computers (because this is how maneuvers are controlled). the aiplane that can turn faster towards the enemy to fire a missle, wins.
icn001 5 years ago
not to mention that our stealth is based on a completely different radar band than we thought russians rely on. please people, go into damn engineering school, we really need to get ahead.
icn001 5 years ago
It is astonishing how many uninformed people spout crap here and the rest of the internet. As an old RADAR guy, I can tell you that RADAR stealth comes mostly down to simple old angle of incidence equals angle of reflection. The rest is absorbtion. It is the absorbtion bit which is most susceptible to frequency changes, however since it plays the smaller role, it does not matter as much.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
And now imagine the airplane is exactly lambda/2.
any questions?
icn001 5 years ago
It will absorb and re-radiate well in a pattern desired by the engineers.
And just how effective are the enemies RADAR antennas going to be if they are expected to illuminate the F22 at the frequency of lambda? When were are talking about lots of little antennas which can fit in the nose and around something the size of a jet fighter?
Nope. No questions.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
without falling back to the argument about ground/space tracking, i think the radar on fighter jets is expensive enough to not have its aperture restricted by geometric size. furthermore, you say we can predict and change the radiation pattern of an unknown time-domain pulse? I would like to see that simulation.
icn001 5 years ago
Jet fighter RADAR is high frequency for a reason. It is the most efficient for the confines typical of a jet fighter. It's also high resolution. AWACS have the luxury of effective medium and high frequency RADAR and ground based of those and low frequency. If you are talking about the cross section of the F22 as a lambda/2 antenna, then jet fighter RADAR won't be very efficient at that frequency.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago
regarding the antenna size estimates, i am almost positive that the russians have access to materials with εr > 1, like say, plastic. ...but yeah, i realized you are right. we will always have the best airplanes because we jave Jesus, so we don't need any more engineers. let's all just watch football instead.
icn001 5 years ago
Jesus? Haha, okay. I am actually not American. I am Australian. So I am not flying a flag and I do very much respect the Russians. I just don't believe, based on what the public "knows" about these two machines, that the Mig-31 has an advantage over the F22. But really, based on my knowledge of USN, RAN and some French equipment, from around 20 years ago, I know that the public really does not know shit. So really arguements about F22 vs Mig31 are kinda pointless.
HyperCruiser 5 years ago