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  • Helen Clarke is such a hypocrit, she states she's going to "change this" and "change that"... Why didn't you do these things whilst you were in power? The answer is...She's saying this broken promises so she'll be in power again.

  • These people are fabrications of the Market. They don't make any decisions independently but they convince the public to move away from democratic decisions to market determinations.

    The Socialist Liberal Market is now responsible for decisions concerning ethics and morality.

    If National is the government, NZ hasn't change direction but continue on the same path that Labour led. It is only a change of faces, the Market is dictating the terms.

  • argue someone into thinking a specific way is just as easy as arguing back to there original ways of thinking just vote what you think and stop trying to convince others its a lost cause

  • VOTE FOR NATIONAL!!! WE NEED A CHANGE

  • bah!! helen clark is an outdated politician who's ineffectual policies will not keep our country strong. we need new dynamic leadership to shield our country from financial crisis and to allow our economy to grow and prosper, helen clark has had nine years and we have seen nothing but weak nanny state policies and no progress. vote national if you want a party that will actually help new zealand in any major way

  • bleh...It National gets in, then they should get rid of John Key, he is a useless leader, cant think on his toes, buckles under pressure and says stupid things, then he contradicts himself. He is a PUPPET!!

  • To be honnest, we all need to vote for winston, he asks the questions new zealanders want to hear, he keeps the other mp's honnest and in line, and he makes me LOL. also i JK's already said he wont do a deal with nz1st so the more votes winny the pooh gets the more auntie helen gets! she a cool chick/whateva, no war troops sent to iraq, with auntie H at the helms i feel safe as. and for the past 9years its been choice lets have 3 more!

  • its not all about wall st. but i agree John Key is an entrepreneur and hes only out there for himself, once you have money u sought after power

  • John Key's fiscal policy is a better option as it stimulates consumer expenditure which encourages the market and businesses to invest more and create better products and services. This is ESSENTIAL for free markets like ours to raise the standards of living from its present state. This will result in a good economic growth for as long as the government budget is under control. I have no doubts in John Key's abilities to be able to do this. This guy has definitely got something to offer.

  • Clark's economic policy is prudent. She admits on investing on education, social programs, infrastructure, etc. Whilst they may be good, they are at the end of the day government expenditure which drives budget deficits up. Her administration offsets this through high public taxes. This may be promising in a long-term basis BUT the growth of the economy is rather sluggish as the public tendency is to save rather than invest for further capital growth which is essential for an economy to boom.

  • he wants Helen Clark out of the way, because she's good, she has been caring and looking after people for such a long time, John Key's salute is to get the rich richer and the poor poorer, he talks a lot of crap, he's a JEW, they are the biggest bullshit artists in this world, do not vote for National, Please please, don't let the talk fool you.

  • 'caring and looking after people' - shes a fukn bitch and ive heard her talk out of the public eye shes the power hungry one and ur a fukn loser. fuk off!

  • please people, please my precious kiwi friends, my advice to everybody is, Don't be a sheep when it wears green shades and starts eating everything, visualize with your heart not with your eyes, because that John Key guy seems to be good how he decorates a shit and make it look like a cake with his hypocrisy, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM, get him outta the way

  • hey kiwis, you should know who to vote for and who not to, can't trust a stranger, we don't know what that John Key guy will do, he might say he's willing to do all these things, but can't trust him, he just wants to be in control, we should seek for changes with the Labour in control, than seek a new fresh start with John Key and lose what we all ready have, what we have built and have been building for years and years, wake up people.

  • "NEVER TRUST A WALLSTREET BANKER/TRADER."

    Any Nu Zeelander who votes for a Wall Street Banker to Run your Country needs psychiatric

    counselling. JOHN KEY

    Is a former employee of one of the most dishonest and 'corrupt firms' in US history!!

    NOBODY IN AMERICA TRUSTS WALLSTREET BANKERS AND TRADERS. THEY ARE BIGGER THIEVES AND CROOKS THAN THE MAFIA ARE ! THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ADMIRES THE MAFIA MORE THAN ANYONE FROM WALLSTREET !

  • I really think John Key won this Election he had a good resolve all night! I also do admit he butted in alot, but thats just politics. And I also believe JOHN KEY is NATIONAL's greatest hope...They've had 2 DUD's namely DON BRASH & That other Guy ...umm...cant remember his name...but both men, Helen ate them for Breakfast!!

    In my opinion this will be the closest election in NZ history coz there is ALOT riding on this one...But Labour have done enough to win this......just!

  • I really liked the way John Key remembered the YouTube people's names and addressed them personally. Watching these videos has given me a new perspective of him :-)

  • Don't be fooled.. that's just phychology things. concentrate on their topics plz.

  • Did anyone count the amount times the word "fresh" was said.. Especially from John! Can't they think of any other synonyms?

  • That was a pretty big hit from Key about the finance companies, and Helen didn't even rebut it.

    Also she should stop laughing at her own jokes before she's finished telling them.

    John definitely ain't an alsatian.

  • I've finally had time to sit down and watch this debate. Kudos to YouTube as this is the first time I've ever watched a debate. Anyways, as a single young lady on an invalids benefit with no children, I was disheartened to hear of all the wonderful things Helen Clark is promising to do, yet she has had nine years to make these changes. I have always been a labour supporter but I now believe it is time for a change. Let's hope the next Government use their time wisely.

  • I dont want to vote for any of these 2 idiots, they both sound like children, im going to vote for the Family party, so we can atleast have someone in parliament that cares about families

  • John keys points were strongest - helen is thinking"bizness as usual". Unforetunately it is no longer the same old, same old. We need to recognise that our economy needs fresh blood to get us through it. I'm all for values too and so is John Key but he is trying to get the problem sorted now and quickly and that is what we need to maintain out values, cause at the moment our country is lacking it, and that been under 9 years of labour remember - not National.

  • he must have said "fresh" about 100 times. its like his buzz word.

  • I think this was a badly managed debate. no follow up questions or control. they need somebody who will call them up on their statements and let each leader have their say without interrupting each other.

  • "Basic Value" - what helen talks about, Spot on, what makes a kiwi a kiwi, our base values and keeping thoses alive, Not Underminding the Keoto Agreement, Which key wants to do, Helen didnt lead nz in to recession, its global. NZ compared to other places around the world, have come out/are doing better then most others, feel pround of being a new zealander, Will you feel proud Under John keys, its easy to point the finger.

  • absolutely! finally a voice of reason. people who can actually utter the sentence that helen caused this recession are so retarded its laughable.

  • Winston is the man, he keeps the PM + MP's honnest and he asks the questions that NZ's want to know. John Key is an entupenuer, hes out to help himself. If helen has done sooooo bad then how come she has been in for 3 terms 9 years? For the people Of the people... yea vote john keys and create a bigger gap between the rich and the poor, Oppertunity!? nz is the land of that and helens goverment has nurtured a stable nz govt. Keys need to make his own policy rather than copying aussie

  • Winston is a cowboy, don't let him mess us around again! Clark won't count him out presumably cos his votes would go to National. These people and NZ politicians in general are perpetual-motion windbags, hold the next debate near a windfarm

  • just a thought but did hellen spend up the funds to prevent national from having funds for tax cuts if they do get in thus giving them political amunition for the next election?

  • helen or john wants to give more tax cuts to nz'ers? heres a thought....scrap the doll...make all those lazy sons of bitches go out and get a job. then thered be a hell of a lot more money in our back pockets. and btw hamoan05...david bain was innocent you ignorant son of a bitch

  • And how do you know Helen will be better over National in the long run. I'm sure she's done some good things for the country yes, but I don't think she's one for saving anything. Can you vote this election J19000?

  • I'm not an Auzzie! Sheesh. I think the people need to vote whats really best for them and their own needs. But I do think Helen has kind of screwed the country, and she's been in for four terms. I think she's done enough damage...

  • jimpendo - What the hell has Helen done to get the government funds so low in the first place? We shouldn't even need to make a saving plan for the government over the economy crisis. MAYBE, if the money was spent properly in the first place it wouldn't have come to this. scotty19855 - Agreed. Good comment.

  • How many a child slaves and people trafficking , prostitution rackets did it take to make those Millions aye john?

    no diffrent from the movies your class act mate.

    Love you Helen

  • and john since u were so rude to helen

    she picked up on your anger hidden deep with in the smooth phasaad.

    you remind me of the horror movie stepfather remeber NZ our worst muderers most horrific murderers like liam Reid Graeme burton anthony dixon , scot wallace, david bain, bundy lundy, manson Tamahere i would only see him lose his cool when no one is a round ect

  • we love you Helen you dont have to prove yourself or answer to no man or woman.

    your record speaks for itself that your running again shows you care.

    Although they say you have no children Helen. I am one of your many Sons Central Auckland Hard.

  • go helen. to right we cant go give people tax cuts when the economys fucked. national are false profits

  • Giving people tax cuts is exactly what you do when the "economy is fucked". How else do you get people spending? Growing business? How else do you make borrowing affordable?

  • National should scrap the Unions.

    That would improve the New Zealand economy.

  • Sorry, but does anyone else think Sainsbury is not the right person here. What sort of a question is will you do anything to win the election, whats he hoping for? Helen and John will sit there and say "yes we will kill" - I think there both smarter than that.

  • 11:05 Dr Michael Cullen, loyal deputy. He has been a little quiet lately. Tension between Helen and Michael?

  • N.Z is being run by bloody idiots!!!!!!!SHAME

  • And before I look at your profile, I will go for Australia as your nationality, it's what Aussies do best. If your not Aussie, oh well.

  • What sort of an idiot would vote for Helen. Australians will be as crap as new zealand soon now that we have a labor government.

  • John Key For the win.

  • what a gross accent

  • agreed

  • the bottom line is that Nationals can do better

  • or maybe if national win they might make some progress in the country, if they have the right ideas to move on with to help the nation through the next three years or more.

    and yes orientalarab if they skrew things up labour could be voted back in if they could fix the situations at hand, but that is all in the future.

  • maybe national would win this time.. then maybe they'll will screw up the country the ppl would feel sorry and vote labour again next time

  • Helen and her party have done just enough to keep us afloat these last how many years, but we cant continue to sit at this sub standard level. Its time to move on and up, you've had your fair go, now do whats best for everyone and step aside aye.

  • Helen has proven herself a successful economic conservative. The entire world economic structure is in turmoil banks are folding, superanuation funds bankrupting and NZ is barely feeling a thing! Due to a conservative regulation of the banking and investment sector by Helen's Govt. I wouldnt be so quick to usher in a political novice such as Key at a time where international cooperation is of the highest priority.

  • Me as an Employer feels every bit of this CRUNCH, getting over 40 people redundant is not a progress and success in any way. Look at the Interest rates, and guarantee on deposits by banks. Aunty Hellen is a smooth talker where as John needs to brush up his vocabulary skills. But then again i see a lot of things going down, Good things that were there in past which has now disappeared. I'm in for a Fresh start, we all have seen too much of Aunty's failing ideas.

  • Devil, Iam not dissilusioned with the issues facing buisness in NZ, however this is a world wide credit crunch, an NZ is doing comparatively well to other nations. Helen or Key is limited in what they can do to help the economy and buisness growth without international liasion...something Key wouldnt be able to effectively do straightaway. Aus just the other day introduced the insurance policy on bank deposits. NZ Govt hasnt had to bail out banks yet - thats a definitive sign of economic success

  • Why are they allowed to interrupt each other?

  • John Key's is a fool (2.48). Australia's economic security and growth is in a resources boom, coal, uraniam and other ores. New Zealand with less than a quarter of a population and with little to no mining industry does very well on a volotile international market.

  • can you explain exactly where new zealands financial security lies then?

  • New Zealand's exports are largely agricultural based, thats a geographic factor nothing any government could dramaticaly alter. New Zealand's financial security is in the strict banking regulations which has resulted in a strong standing in the current global recession, with limited overseas banking investment. With a small population and limited resources, New Zealand has done well through careful economic management. It is unfair and simplistic for John Key to compare the economies.

  • cheers makes sense.

  • john keys is a hard working decent person.

    did u see today on the news? helen clark was complaining about john keys being too loud.

    helen clark had done that a million times before but was merely trying to say to the public a reason 4 her poor debate

  • TOTALLY agree.

    She's a sore loser really, Its clear for everyone to see, it's just the labour supporters are in denial. (BTW SHE'S the louder one because her voice is actually lower than Keys... wow.)

  • Helen clarke just resorts to personal attacks when she know's she is losing. She's an idiot.

  • i think that keys can be trusted tbh. he cant realy be compared to the wall street bankers, and a financial background can help while leadging a country because they have atleast a chance at understanding the consequences of their financial decisions, just as the general public see the consequences of effects on their life. anyway i think that it is time for change as any party who are in for too long tend to go too far in their own direction getting away from what is truly good for the country.

  • Keys won? How? Keys cannot be trusted, he personifies the white collar greed that is apparent in the now broke Investment Bankers on Wall Street. Working in the Financial sector and running a country are world's appart. Keys is out of touch with the realities of the average middle class New Zealander. Fudge

  • Answer me this - if hes so out of touch why did he leave a 5 million dollar a year job (7 years ago) to pursue something he cared about?

  • Helen Clark looks like a man... XD

  • yeah bro

  • yea good old hardman helen.

  • key is a grease-ball, thats how he got so rich..

  • no - he got rich because he had drive, ambition and got educated. You sound jelous. Remember he grew up in a state house.

  • No - he worked hard got educated and followed a career. You sound really jelous. I grew up in middle NZ now work for a IB in HK. Comments like yours sound really petty.

  • I also believe key edged it, he definitely seems to have a plan on what he wants to do. Helen Clark wants to be a safe pair of hands "in these triubled times", but that was all that came across in this debate, lacked detail

  • Helen Clark gave New Zealand the current deep recession.

    Time for a change.

  • key is a society puppet

  • ohh helen hasnt got anything to say so she mocks Old national leaders? thats low...

  • yes your right, national will always be the same .

    I have watched labour and national act the same for the last 20 years and, I am shit scared now.

  • Key is my hero. helen not only wastes money. but doesnt think things through and employs way too many beuracrats (id know my dad worked in the government for a short while)

    there were 6 people doing the job of 1 person

  • They dont give a shit what i say because i dont live in the USA... so why is this shit featured in Australia.

  • I actually think John Key won that debate. Same old stuff from Clarky, time for something new.

  • key is a puppet..puppet to society

  • LOL WTF.I COMPLETELY FORGOT IT WAS ELECTION YEAR ROFL.

    Anyway I never liked Helen Clark =/ this reminds me of the 2004/2005 campaign..Does anyone remember "The Prime Moneywaster" ad on TV? XDDDD

  • the only fresh thing about national is its face;john key.

    it will still be the same clowns screwing things up on the backbench, like they did in the ninties.

  • And "Send in the Clowns" will be sung before every session in the Parliament?

    That sounds so much better than Labour's entertaining songs on their conventions.

  • Blimey!  The only screw up I remember in the 90's was Jenny social welfare Shipley. Those years were the most difficult in my entire life. I was amazed I got through it having to live on blimmin' weetbix and 2 minute noodles.

  • I just LOVE our choices this election. Do we want the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right? ...........

    ....

    Wait, there's one person holding up both of the puppets!~HOLYSHIT~!! We're truly fucked!

  • "NO JOHN YOU LISTEN TO ME" - Darth Clark

  • key wants to teach the lil' kids how to spell and add! yahoo

    And giving us more $ to buy beer...yahhooo

    an locking up the freak showz...

    u go johhny boy..u pussy kiss ass queer...

  • john key the new president bush?

  • yeah - stick it to the mentally ill!!!

  • John keys is just telling lies to get your vote. He does not care about people or New Zealand. He wants to lap dance for America. He will lose New Zealands personality.

  • Haha and Helen Clark never lies!!?!??! ruthtel! Is ignorance bliss for you?

  • keys => Key

    Zealands => Zealand's

    Do they know how to apply grammar in America?

  • Go john

  • John Keys a kiss ass, and he has a pointy nose. He's the snitch kid on the playground that i wouldn't play with.

    Does he have any vocabulary other than fresh?

    Why would anyone not wealthy vote for him? The rich are gonna get richer and the poor either stay poor or get poorer; and then we're all gonna be poor. Helen Clark's got my vote.

  • Smac513,if you want to be rich get out there and work, work hard do things for your self, dont wait for it to be handed to you on a plate the power is in your hands wealthy or poor it is up to you!!!

  • I agree he needs to work on increasing his vocabulary.

  • lockwood Smiths education model was good for NZ, how will Key change Lockwood's model? I think students should pay for their education, rather than rely on society to support their mindless drinking and merry making in the streets - particularly in Dunedin.

  • I'm so sick of Helen Clark. John Key should've been given more time in order to explain National's ideas.

  • Yeah, you are right! In fact, this debate should have simply been Key talking to us to the camera, telling us about his model for all of NZ'ers. Key has all the skills NZ needs and obviously all the answers for everyone.

  • tax cut for the wealthy again? are u kidding me?

  • did he?

    Really...

    I missed that

  • John Key won the debate.

  • Were we watching the same debate?

  • John Key demonstrated Leadership.

    Helen Clark demonstrated that she will be looking for a new job on 8 November.

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