I really like this trailer. I feel it captures the film more accurately than the previous ones. Also, a great film that helps process many issues that we have trouble comprehending.
This is probably a deep underground military base. This is a way to allow you to come to terms with it. Nuclear waste, lol asif they care. Or thought of this to wait so long for this to be built. Hydrogen power works but I bet you dont even know what that is do you!
What's the alternatives, Oil? Just as dirty, and in the short term, worse.
Solar? I love it when people pretend these inefficient expensive monstrosities can save us. The truth is that any changes must be gradual and quite frankly, there's a lot worse you could do than nuclear.
Nuclear energy is cleaner and more useful than any other significant energy source we have, and it gives off the least amount of waste. I understand the thinking behind this but there are many worse problems we should be dealing with currently.
fascinating premise at first, but come on. we'll have conscious super computers that are millions of times smarter than humans in about 30 years. they'll tell us what to do. don't be scurred people.
This is a good & for the most part honest documentary, unlike "Countdown to Zero" which was heavily tinged with an aspect of fear mongering & finger pointing towards certain middle eastern countries. Yet it seems that thier is a certain lack of imagination displayed when it comes to the evolution of human civilization over the 100,000 yearr time span, both from the film makers & the actual project leaders. It's thought provoking non the less, but in ways I don't think the director intended.
no-one counts on nature i see :P it might take time but i believe mother nature will find a way and so new spices will be born out of the ashes of the old ones ,and new balances will rule the world ,till a poor bastard spice (if not human again) come and re-destroy what mother nature made
@MrGhost6662 Hhhhmmmm, new black pepper, or maybe red chilis, in the future would rule the world. Or perhaps a world will be pleasant if it's ruled by cinnamon or saffron.
that all matter is pure energy, and if we develop our coutiousness..
we will raise our vibration and we'll be able to move trough matter as we do now trough space and time. and need no drilling.. an we could feel this radiation everywhere..
becouse we can not experience a form called matter.. all is energy..
that's our dimension when we evolve in our countiousness.. becouse that is the evolution that is going on.. Not material evolution.
The Egyptian pyramids might be a lot older than 5000 years, the jury is still out on that. Some say they predate the deluvian floods of 12,500 years ago. If they were built to sit alongside the Nile, as seems evident from their architecture, the Nile river has since moved a considerable number of miles to the East, a process which took great cataclysm. The Sphinx once sat in a water basin, at the river's edge.
I'm confused by the concept of it lasting only 100,000 thousand years.
If this is how long is lasts, and that is how long the waste remains hazardous, then we would only be able to store our current waste, not waste that is generated in the future as this would remain hazardous longer than the structure lasts.
amazing film. really blew me away the concept of long term projections into the future. the film shows the number of variables inherent in this process and so the conclusion is no better than an educated guess. when we look at ourselves and the very nature of been human you can see curiousity will lead us back to this site, one day.
This is art, not information. What seems like information is fantasy. "Our mankind exits 50.000 years" - wrong. It's around 200.000 years. "Nuclear waste is toxic for 100.000 years - wrong. It's some billion years. Even "Onkalo means hiding place" is wrong. It means something like grot, chasm, cavity.
Whilst this is an interesting art house film it is a useless critique of the problem of nuclear waste. The matter of a 100,000 year human legacy could be dealt with in either a few minutes or in much more depth and breadth than this. Within 100 years we could have new energy sources and better means of disposal. This film is interesting to an extent but repetitive and eventually boring.
FYI, "Onkalo" does not mean a "hiding place" and "hidden place" as suggested in many sources, including this trailer. It's Finnish (my mother tongue) for "a cavity" or "a pit", nothing more. Of course an onkalo could serve as a hiding place but that's not the primary meaning.
first Onkalo means "cavity", not "hiding place". second it will be ready for them to start filling it with radioactive waste in 2020 and they'll keep filling it until 2120, when they will seal it up.
Unless it gets delayed. Already they have had problems with the copper containers that were designed to last 100 000 years, but now it looks like they'll not last even 1000 years.. They should just bury the stuff in oceanic crust near a subduction zone.. but theres problems with that too :(
We are doomed but the good news is the nuclear lobby is too, they have killed their own children and grand children to come…Nobody did what they did poisoining not only people living now but those who could be alive for thousands of years! The Devil himself can’t do any better!
Is it not possible that humanity will find a solution for this waste in the next 100,000 years? Or that we might develop new reactors (not the kind developed in the past which served to create materials for weapons.) which don't create this waste. People should not discount nuclear power so quickly, especially at a time when the abundant use of fossil fuels are creating real problems right now.
what is the second song anyone please and also has anyone heard a similar new song as i have but can,t remember it or the artist i think it is hometown glory by adele
I'm sure the film is informative. This issue is the DNA integrity of all life on earth. There more than 528 atom bomb 'test' explosions in the 50's and 60's. Everyone eats, drinks and breathes radioactive fallout since 1945. Safe 'burial' of nuclear waste is a scientific impossibility. It has already leaked out of any containment and will vent invisible, deadly radiation. Nuclear waste destruction to zero is the only way to neutralize nuclear waste.
Nuclear waste causes permanent DNA damage and continous to generate heat. Nothing will contain nuclear waste. It will leak out and vent to the atmosphere to further contaminate the earth. You can backwards engineer plutonium 239 into non-radioactive lead, create electricity, produce many jobs, and guarantee international security. Search 'The Roy Process' to see Dr. Roy explain.
OR...we can reprocess the fuel, putting it back into different reactors in which the spent fuel remains radioactive for only 300 years. Jimmy Carter, the man responsible for making nuclear fuel reprocessing illegal (in America), was a fool.
Toxic? Don't you mean Radioactive? Even after it's decayed away, many of the resultant isotopes will remain toxic forever. Mercury and lead are, for example, also permanently toxic.
After watching this film, it left me to think and be more aware of the things I never considered such as nuclear waste and dilemma revolving around how to contain it without endangering life. Building a facility that will last for 100,000 seems pretty far fetch but it doesnt hurt to try to contain it for now. I just hope it stayed sealed without someone with curiousity poking around for it.
Not dissing the film, but why is it so important for us to live that long? Even after all these years we still continue to kill each other over religion and oil. Always has to do with some kind of power struggle, governments and rulers will use or do anything to keep their people in fear and perpetual suffering. Why would 100,000 years later be any different? Genocide. Nukes. Racism. Greed. Poverty. Humans will never change. Prove me wrong humans from the future! I'd be shocked and relieved.
Coal combustion releases mercury vapor that goes up the stacks and winds up in water and in critters and humans. Every body of water in the US is contaminated with excess mercury. And guess what?
Toxic substances from those non-nuclear activities last FOREVER.
@123Wrigley Hey :-) I love the music also. I only know the last piece, it is by Phillip Glass, and is part of his Metamorphosis pieces 1-5. It's lovely music so you'll have a nice time looking for the exact same extract :-)
Crazy..how can you even start with something like this and have any real answer at all? 100,000 years.Well at least we tried? Maybe trying is not good enough.
Very disturbing documentary but something we will have to deal with somehow.
I watched this last night and..it scared me. Mainly because i never really thought about nuclear waste i presumed that the goverments of the world would have a plan.. but seriously wow. Watch it.
I was blown away by your film at the IDFA festival this weekend, best thing I saw - incredibly thought provoking and brilliantly made - well done I hope many many people see it.
Saw this at the ICA in London this week and thought it was mesmerizing. The implications and the dilemmas involved with a project intended to last 100 millennia are fascinating: is it best to mark the nuclear waste site to warn people away and if so how given that maybe not a single language will have survived from the present?
Or is it better that we deliberately "forget", assuming that it is far too unlikely that anyone will ever tunnel there? A great bit of documentary film-making
I attended a Documentary Festival and among all the films I saw, this small shiny object highlighted with an acute criticism and sense of humor a relevant issue and a deep philosophical concern for humankind. Don't miss it if you're.. a human ! Great production and cinematographical aesthetic !
@RedCapicua "Philosophical concern for humankind" you are out of your mind.Smug bitch who thinks he is the center of the universe,humankind?nobody gives a shit about that man these are just some stupid morals invented to give your insignificant existence some false meaninng.
The universe is nihilistic in nature and any other interpretation of some monkeys are just retarded.
I really like this trailer. I feel it captures the film more accurately than the previous ones. Also, a great film that helps process many issues that we have trouble comprehending.
verbal007 1 month ago
what is the name of that song?
adaniciak 3 months ago
@adaniciak Philip glass - metamorphosis
Fuco1337 1 month ago
This is probably a deep underground military base. This is a way to allow you to come to terms with it. Nuclear waste, lol asif they care. Or thought of this to wait so long for this to be built. Hydrogen power works but I bet you dont even know what that is do you!
Mandoon 3 months ago
@Mandoon Neither do you, obviously.
endimion17 2 weeks ago
What's the alternatives, Oil? Just as dirty, and in the short term, worse.
Solar? I love it when people pretend these inefficient expensive monstrosities can save us. The truth is that any changes must be gradual and quite frankly, there's a lot worse you could do than nuclear.
Crosshairs95 4 months ago
Nuclear energy is cleaner and more useful than any other significant energy source we have, and it gives off the least amount of waste. I understand the thinking behind this but there are many worse problems we should be dealing with currently.
XxPhillyGxX 4 months ago
Very thought provoking and brilliant production.......
bohall 6 months ago
fascinating premise at first, but come on. we'll have conscious super computers that are millions of times smarter than humans in about 30 years. they'll tell us what to do. don't be scurred people.
myfreepaysite1 6 months ago
This is a good & for the most part honest documentary, unlike "Countdown to Zero" which was heavily tinged with an aspect of fear mongering & finger pointing towards certain middle eastern countries. Yet it seems that thier is a certain lack of imagination displayed when it comes to the evolution of human civilization over the 100,000 yearr time span, both from the film makers & the actual project leaders. It's thought provoking non the less, but in ways I don't think the director intended.
MrLittletomdj 6 months ago
no-one counts on nature i see :P it might take time but i believe mother nature will find a way and so new spices will be born out of the ashes of the old ones ,and new balances will rule the world ,till a poor bastard spice (if not human again) come and re-destroy what mother nature made
MrGhost6662 6 months ago
@MrGhost6662 Hhhhmmmm, new black pepper, or maybe red chilis, in the future would rule the world. Or perhaps a world will be pleasant if it's ruled by cinnamon or saffron.
AnonyCrapU 5 months ago
They forget one crucial thing..
that all matter is pure energy, and if we develop our coutiousness..
we will raise our vibration and we'll be able to move trough matter as we do now trough space and time. and need no drilling.. an we could feel this radiation everywhere..
becouse we can not experience a form called matter.. all is energy..
that's our dimension when we evolve in our countiousness.. becouse that is the evolution that is going on.. Not material evolution.
xkippx 6 months ago
The Egyptian pyramids might be a lot older than 5000 years, the jury is still out on that. Some say they predate the deluvian floods of 12,500 years ago. If they were built to sit alongside the Nile, as seems evident from their architecture, the Nile river has since moved a considerable number of miles to the East, a process which took great cataclysm. The Sphinx once sat in a water basin, at the river's edge.
LuMagazine 7 months ago
I'm confused by the concept of it lasting only 100,000 thousand years.
If this is how long is lasts, and that is how long the waste remains hazardous, then we would only be able to store our current waste, not waste that is generated in the future as this would remain hazardous longer than the structure lasts.
tomlaroo 7 months ago 2
@tomlaroo @tomlaroo I didn't see the film , but I think that's the point they are going to make, they have to build and build and build forever!
masteraso 5 months ago
@tomlaroo then let's hope we don't produce more nuclear waste. oh wait...
heminder 4 months ago
amazing film. really blew me away the concept of long term projections into the future. the film shows the number of variables inherent in this process and so the conclusion is no better than an educated guess. when we look at ourselves and the very nature of been human you can see curiousity will lead us back to this site, one day.
nicmafia 7 months ago
This is art, not information. What seems like information is fantasy. "Our mankind exits 50.000 years" - wrong. It's around 200.000 years. "Nuclear waste is toxic for 100.000 years - wrong. It's some billion years. Even "Onkalo means hiding place" is wrong. It means something like grot, chasm, cavity.
bifimi 8 months ago
Whilst this is an interesting art house film it is a useless critique of the problem of nuclear waste. The matter of a 100,000 year human legacy could be dealt with in either a few minutes or in much more depth and breadth than this. Within 100 years we could have new energy sources and better means of disposal. This film is interesting to an extent but repetitive and eventually boring.
plbyrne 9 months ago
Best use of Kraftwerk ever.
Zhqrxt 9 months ago
FYI, "Onkalo" does not mean a "hiding place" and "hidden place" as suggested in many sources, including this trailer. It's Finnish (my mother tongue) for "a cavity" or "a pit", nothing more. Of course an onkalo could serve as a hiding place but that's not the primary meaning.
itapirkanmaa 9 months ago 3
amazing skill to this documentary. only gasland had this effect on me, brilliant well made and shocking :)
necessaryevil101 10 months ago
first Onkalo means "cavity", not "hiding place". second it will be ready for them to start filling it with radioactive waste in 2020 and they'll keep filling it until 2120, when they will seal it up.
Unless it gets delayed. Already they have had problems with the copper containers that were designed to last 100 000 years, but now it looks like they'll not last even 1000 years.. They should just bury the stuff in oceanic crust near a subduction zone.. but theres problems with that too :(
puppeli 10 months ago
what is that piano song towards the end?
Skimur22 11 months ago
We are doomed but the good news is the nuclear lobby is too, they have killed their own children and grand children to come…Nobody did what they did poisoining not only people living now but those who could be alive for thousands of years! The Devil himself can’t do any better!
THEBOLDCORSICANFLAME 11 months ago
The song at the end part is called Metamorphosis (part 2) by Phillip Glass!
klseytron 11 months ago
Is it not possible that humanity will find a solution for this waste in the next 100,000 years? Or that we might develop new reactors (not the kind developed in the past which served to create materials for weapons.) which don't create this waste. People should not discount nuclear power so quickly, especially at a time when the abundant use of fossil fuels are creating real problems right now.
s3tione 11 months ago
There is a very good Heavy Metal band called Into Eternity.
TheHeavyMetald00d 11 months ago
Jesus wept.
TheDurationPlusFive 11 months ago
what is the second song anyone please and also has anyone heard a similar new song as i have but can,t remember it or the artist i think it is hometown glory by adele
kaguangi1 11 months ago
I'm sure the film is informative. This issue is the DNA integrity of all life on earth. There more than 528 atom bomb 'test' explosions in the 50's and 60's. Everyone eats, drinks and breathes radioactive fallout since 1945. Safe 'burial' of nuclear waste is a scientific impossibility. It has already leaked out of any containment and will vent invisible, deadly radiation. Nuclear waste destruction to zero is the only way to neutralize nuclear waste.
theroyprocess 11 months ago 5
Nuclear waste causes permanent DNA damage and continous to generate heat. Nothing will contain nuclear waste. It will leak out and vent to the atmosphere to further contaminate the earth. You can backwards engineer plutonium 239 into non-radioactive lead, create electricity, produce many jobs, and guarantee international security. Search 'The Roy Process' to see Dr. Roy explain.
theroyprocess 11 months ago
OR...we can reprocess the fuel, putting it back into different reactors in which the spent fuel remains radioactive for only 300 years. Jimmy Carter, the man responsible for making nuclear fuel reprocessing illegal (in America), was a fool.
anoid226 1 year ago
@anoid226 They talk about that in the film, the experts say it's a pipe dream.
megatrollwarlock 10 months ago
is it just me or someone else feels like playing fallout after watching this?
alokmishra03 1 year ago
one of the best doc I have ever seen
MikeTrance666 1 year ago
Toxic? Don't you mean Radioactive? Even after it's decayed away, many of the resultant isotopes will remain toxic forever. Mercury and lead are, for example, also permanently toxic.
Fordi 1 year ago
After watching this film, it left me to think and be more aware of the things I never considered such as nuclear waste and dilemma revolving around how to contain it without endangering life. Building a facility that will last for 100,000 seems pretty far fetch but it doesnt hurt to try to contain it for now. I just hope it stayed sealed without someone with curiousity poking around for it.
larstorsten 1 year ago
aaahhh crap, the Earth is doomed
robotichedgehog 1 year ago
Infinite Love Is The Only Truth! Everything Else Is Illusion.
XStreet1985 1 year ago
Not dissing the film, but why is it so important for us to live that long? Even after all these years we still continue to kill each other over religion and oil. Always has to do with some kind of power struggle, governments and rulers will use or do anything to keep their people in fear and perpetual suffering. Why would 100,000 years later be any different? Genocide. Nukes. Racism. Greed. Poverty. Humans will never change. Prove me wrong humans from the future! I'd be shocked and relieved.
bennude10 1 year ago 5
@bennude10 I met a man from the future once. He asked my what year it was and when I told him he just laughed and teleported away
Chucktanium 1 year ago 7
the song in the trailer is Varèse: Un Grand Sommeil Noir
waringpepper 1 year ago 2
whaaaat is that music??! please help
thecritiqu 1 year ago
@thecritiqu the song at the end part is Phillip Glass - Metamorphosis (part two). The entire Metamorphosis series is really really excellent.
klseytron 11 months ago
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ciudat100 1 year ago
that was piano music was by Philip Glass wasn't it??
this looks really good!
and i'm guessing this isn't the same Michael Madsen from Reservoir Dogs.
sparktank 1 year ago
Coal combustion releases mercury vapor that goes up the stacks and winds up in water and in critters and humans. Every body of water in the US is contaminated with excess mercury. And guess what?
Toxic substances from those non-nuclear activities last FOREVER.
zassounotsukushi 1 year ago
the piano song is a philip glass piece. i think its from the truman show soundtrack.
bromortimer 1 year ago
@bromortimer Close, the song is Metamorphosis Two, by Philip Glass
ghableska 1 year ago
@ghableska YES! Thats what I was looking for! i was guessing The Hours, or one of his Movements.
sparktank 1 year ago
I´m stunned and speechless :o
Balleflander 1 year ago
Whats freaky is that there are stories/rumours about the U.S. government trying to make things like this because of 2012 fears etc.
hd92122 1 year ago
like the last person said i am dieing to find out what music this is.
HALEterSkelter 1 year ago
what music is this? does any one know?
123Wrigley 1 year ago
@123Wrigley Hey :-) I love the music also. I only know the last piece, it is by Phillip Glass, and is part of his Metamorphosis pieces 1-5. It's lovely music so you'll have a nice time looking for the exact same extract :-)
SinoSene 11 months ago
what music is this? does any one need!
123Wrigley 1 year ago
Crazy..how can you even start with something like this and have any real answer at all? 100,000 years.Well at least we tried? Maybe trying is not good enough.
Very disturbing documentary but something we will have to deal with somehow.
Batavian187 1 year ago
I watched this last night and..it scared me. Mainly because i never really thought about nuclear waste i presumed that the goverments of the world would have a plan.. but seriously wow. Watch it.
TheGuyFromDownstairs 1 year ago
wtf is this all about ?
popstarsarethebest 1 year ago
@popstarsarethebest its a documentary about onkalo, a storage facility for radioactive waste.
vijussil 1 year ago
absolutely need to see this
Regressor13 1 year ago
I was blown away by your film at the IDFA festival this weekend, best thing I saw - incredibly thought provoking and brilliantly made - well done I hope many many people see it.
nickibopp 1 year ago 45
Saw this at the ICA in London this week and thought it was mesmerizing. The implications and the dilemmas involved with a project intended to last 100 millennia are fascinating: is it best to mark the nuclear waste site to warn people away and if so how given that maybe not a single language will have survived from the present?
Or is it better that we deliberately "forget", assuming that it is far too unlikely that anyone will ever tunnel there? A great bit of documentary film-making
stav2009 1 year ago 3
Only human can destroy this beautiful planet! Shame us!
deepspace77 1 year ago
@deepspace77
and meteors...
coastalpacific 1 year ago
Seeing this was the highlight of Sheffield Doc/Fest. This is a stunning,, poetic and thought provoking film. Very Trippy!
funkytwig 1 year ago 3
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funkytwig 1 year ago
When can we see this in the US?
s8m2s 1 year ago
@s8m2s I second that question! I hope we in the US are able to see it soon, and hopefully on DVD.
kevingarner13 1 year ago
@s8m2s not enough sex and violence in the movie, that's the answer
jonnnyclear 1 year ago
I attended a Documentary Festival and among all the films I saw, this small shiny object highlighted with an acute criticism and sense of humor a relevant issue and a deep philosophical concern for humankind. Don't miss it if you're.. a human ! Great production and cinematographical aesthetic !
RedCapicua 1 year ago 26
@RedCapicua "Philosophical concern for humankind" you are out of your mind.Smug bitch who thinks he is the center of the universe,humankind?nobody gives a shit about that man these are just some stupid morals invented to give your insignificant existence some false meaninng.
The universe is nihilistic in nature and any other interpretation of some monkeys are just retarded.
slevin741 4 months ago