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  • Of course it is better to be banned in the whole country. At least that makes a point. It also makes your company look good. And it makes the people in that country even more pissed of at their government.

  • Just remember everyone, this is only for poor countries, twitter will never be censored in the US or a EU-country.

    Not saying twitter's important for democracy, just saying it's a good thing we don't imagine these types of stories happening in the west.

  • Twitter is a private company and can do whatever the hell it wants. Governments are not allowed to censor (ideally). Privately owned companies, it's their own business.

  • They already censor now - they blocked the trending topic about Twitter being censored, ironically.... Epic fail. TYT you're being waaaaaaay too forgiving.

  • how can they censor if millions of people tweet the same stuff out at the same time.

  • @V1nn1ePJ Word filters. If all tweets including the words Kim Jon-Il must be moderated before being released, any dissenting voices can be weeded out before going public then censorship can easily be enforced.

  • the protest information about the ndaa is actively being censored from twitter. people have resorted to using N@DAA in tweets to fool the censors. it seems to be working.

  • Fuck censorship, it shits on basic human rights.

  • Dude. Tsk.

  • So the rest of the world will be able to get tweets from America when our government censors them?

    That's something I suppose.

  • Big question. How will the censor US and how the fuck will we know? FUCK TWITTER! <-- Is that banned yet?

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  • twitter, google they all do it...

  • Twitter is basically supporting countries that don't allow freedom of speech. That isn't something to support. Freedom of Speech must be a worldwide right, but Twitter is appeasing countries that are repressing their people.

    Twitter is cowardly. 

  • Damn Ana was hot, but now she's like expensive escort hot! Oh yeah, censorship, nothing new. Not saying I'm for it, I'm just not suprised.

  • The thing is, the person who's censored doesn't know it, and no one else knows they were censored. Under this law, whenever a tweet is censored, only that country won't see the tweet. Other countries can though. and here's where the news gets better: twitter has a seperate website that whenever a tweet is censored, it gets posted there. That way the rest of the world know what county censored what post. Now we'll know what a particular country thinks needs to be censored.

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  • How is there a debate at all? It's censorship.

  • the question is do chine have portability to know which ppl they censored?

    how much of twitters records are available for governments?

    else it doesn't mater if ppl get the news out or not if it isn't anonymous ID

  • there could be against human rights to censor

    that would at least stop some and give ppl that are against censorship in some countries a little leverage.

  • Ana is so beautiful.

  • @TheYoungTurks Ana I completely agree, short term financial perspectives definitely outweigh human rights issues.

  • I beg to differ. If twitter censors content they don't do a very good job of it when there are accounts friending you with links to "their webcams" or the like. It's basically a free market forum and if it impacts twitter's marketing department (advertisers pull out their money) they will revoke your voice. I'm not saying that that is okay because I firmly believe in the the United States Constitution and if we can't uphold it how are we suppose to honor the lives that have died for it?

  • I see most of you are missing the point that Cenk made. Twitter can't help a revolution if they are banned from the country. speaking in code is best when you are against a gov't. besides you have to go by the local laws. US freedom of speech does not apply to China. just as their laws do not apply to us. anyway point being that they are a business, they are not obligated to do anything nor should they be. thats the whole point for free enterprise. and if the business fails its of little use.

  • FUCK.CENSORSHIP.

  • Awesome point, Ana, that Twitter is a business. What we need to do is redefine "businesses" such that they have responsibilities more important than profits. The fact that global resources are finite suggests that it would be better for us to make this change soon rather than face the consequences of a forced ending to our growth-based economy.

  • Twitter could offer their service such that governments wouldn't know what service was being used. Send tweets via UDP and not TCP, allow users to pick a port to get their tweets on. Allow users to setup a public/private key pair so the packets are encrypted. All users need is to use a proxy server 1 time to get out of the country in a semi-annonymous way to set this up.

    Too much work for Twitter I guess.

  • wrong they aren't doing whats good for there business at all they aren't standing up for whats right

  • speak in code

  • Censorship is almost always detrimental. Society progresses by contesting the old regimes and ways of doing things. If we censor new ideas, society stagnates.

  • @qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7 Yahoo revoked my longtime ID a few years ago for speaking up about the health risks of alcohol on a wine story. I lost everything--all my saved emails, my groups, my website I'd had for years. And this was where they ASKED for comments! I had no idea I'd lose all this stuff that was important to me, just for expressing my opinion! I can never get any of that back.

  • I never got into twitter. All it is 'look at me this is what I did today im so important' who cares

  • twitter is useless

  • Hey TYT why haven't you covered the Atlanta Eligibility trial? Obama is going down!!

    Talk about media censorship!!

  • I'd delete my Twitter, but I never had one...but...I could be brought on board...if Twitter decided to think twice about censorship.

  • Twitter already does censor its content, even in the US. It restricted #OccupyWall Street from trending shortly after the protests began. People had to get creative when discussing OWS...

    Twitter is 140 characters or less because it is a propaganda tool used to spread bumper sticker slogans..No wonder the MSM uses it so much...

  • FUCK CENSORSHIP. Hunt down the people who is doing these censorships, boycott them!

  • @hehefromhere Must you use profanity?? You just typed the f-word for all to see! How crude and offensive! Do you talk this way in real life??

  • Also I think no knowlege is better than cencered knowledge. Coz when you have no access to information or knowledge you will try your hardest to get access. But if you get a steady flow of cencerned handpicked information that you start turn out to be like most american (N i dunt blame them for this) but they are feed carefully selected info and they think they know all about the world and they are soo knowledgeable. I you get what i mean.

  • Egypt has 81M people and most of them can't afford and most can't afford basic nessisities in life let alone internet access etc. So yes I agree Twitter and Facebook were logistical tools but nuthin more. This was a peoples' revolution above all n wud have happend without twitter and facebook. If anything twitter and facebook helped the world see wat was going on in egypt more than anything else.

  • Isn't the media doing a good enough job censoring vital information from the public? I guess not. This makes me want to go out and create my own social media website and television network. I wouldn't give in to tyrany demands of any country, I would gladly die giving the people of the world a way to voice their opinion, free and uncensored.

  • And this is why I don't do Twitter... 

  • The USA is going to step on the throat of the Internet worse than any other nation, vote for Ron Paul, to save America and the Internet.

  • @givemearandomnamenow Probably not. The only way that happens is if people in this country remain silent. Obviously that did not happen with the successful protests against PIPA & SOPA and it won't happen as long as Americans remain vigilant. One person does not save a country.

    Btw, using Ron Paul's own Libertarian ideology, he would be perfectly fine with Twitter's decision to censor & control information since they are in the private sector.

  • @Mxyzptlk562 They would NEVER do that of their own accord. They were FORCED into it. Anyway, if you know how things are, PIPA and SOPA mean't nothing, as the NDAA and Patriot Act means nothing, they're just bills passed to justify the things the government is already doing. They shut down megaupload right after those Internet censorship bills did not pass. They were intended to be used as an excuse, that's all. Before the NDAA and Patriot Act, the same shit was going on, it's the administration.

  • @givemearandomnamenow They (Twitter) did it as a "business decision." In other words, principles are less important than profits. That's the way it works.

    At some time you might want ask the critical question of who pulls the strings of the government. It's a myth that government is a runaway, marauding, Frankenstein-like entity, that does what it does for shits and giggles. PIPA, SOPA, NDAA, Patriot Act, all have money trails to run a government that only works for the highest bidders.

  • @givemearandomnamenow It's terrible you use the sh-word. I started to read your comment and then I see you use crude language so it makes me lose respect for you.

  • @cindybin2001 It's more passionate ... you're going to constantly be offended if you take offense to these words, especially on YouTube. As long as nobody is insulting you, then it's not so bad.

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  • No, you don't have to keep your feelings out of it, it's wrong. Allowing governments and companies to control information is wrong.

  • TYT had censorship remember?  and we never liked it.

  • Wait...Twitter actually censors people for saying stupid and/or offensive shit???

  • social networks is not for people ... its for controlling people.. but u dont realize this?

    how many people dare expresssing thier true emotion,feelings, thoughts when they have a boss,friends, family watching what ur saying.

  • Hehehe! Press 1 repeatedly for Anna Saying "certain cunt."

  • IF YOUR A TWITTER YOUR A TWIT.

  • @BIGBABYZIP *you're

  • @BIGBABYZIP

    Simple as that, right? Everything in life's simple.

  • @BIGBABYZIP Too many twits make a twat

  • Fuck censorship

  • Supporting censorship in this way is a terrible idea. It's potentially worse than the service shutting down altogether.

    Why?

    Because if the service is stopped, people will be aware they're being censored. If it's being quietly censored on behalf of a government, people will believe they are alone in their dissent, and it will create an illusion of unity. People will be less likely to seek out alternative, non-censored forms of communication.

    Reject censorship. Always.

  • Fundamental flaw - social networks are not an important part of revolutions in the Middle East. I'm writing the thesis for my degree on that subject.

  • @Xionc Looks like you're going to get an F then,

  • @Krauserowns Thanks, faceless entity on the Internet. I sure will ignore all scholarly literature and rely on your opinion.

  • @Krauserowns Guess who didn't go to college...

  • @ThatRandomIrishLad You and the person I responded to?

  • @Krauserowns Wow, good one. You're clearly an idiot.

  • @ThatRandomIrishLad keep telling yourself that and maybe you can sleep soundly at night.

  • Ana Kasparian is dumb

  • @davidwr99

    you're dumb not Ana.

  • When I first heard of Twitter I knew it was created only to make money. They lack backbone and thats why they censor. I've never created a Twit account and never will.

  • We slowed down SOPA/PIPA! We need to stop Internet CENSORSHIP in all it's forms! Even if we still haven"t won the war against SOPA/PIPA yet. We still won the battle and slowed it down.! We can do it again! And do it against ACTA people! A Free Internet belongs to it's people! Not their governments!

  • Well, I managed to stay off twitter for a whole 24 hours and... NO ONE NOTICED, except me.

  • Why don't people blame the government instead? Freedom of information is such a bad thing for all governments all ove the world, and I don't heve to tell you why.

  • Is it the free market if you consider state terrorism as a factor?

  • Come on TYT! Don't justify censorship(FOR ANY REASON) You guys are so much better than this.

  • Twitter is the gayest thing in the world.

  • i wonder if ana is into black guys

  • Cmon twitter! Grow some balls! :(

  • I say go for it. I mean we can always use code names and stuff. Rather have it then not at all.

  • who gives a shit. twitter is fucking useless anyway. just use facebook

  • Ana is fuckin hot.

  • i wanted to tweet that there were only 3 million dead jews during ww2 instead of 6 mil.

  • Here's your Chinese codewords "jasmine", "stroll", "2pm". It didn't work..

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  • I think Anna keeps getting better and better looking somehow like magic..

  • Right... so the code can similarly be censored...

  • At the end of all of this, LinkedIn will be the only social network worth being on. Quote me.

  • does anyone actually give a fuck about twitter anyway?

  • They want to censor you pussies in the US when you decide maybe its time to march and sing infront of the white house to protest the ass raping they are handing you while you hold you eat a big mac.. China doesnt need a revolution

  • Censorship is above any bottom line. Anyone that sacrifices freedom for money does not deserve their freedom. Anyone that enables the stealing of other's rights is beyond reprehensible, no matter how much money they make in compensation.

  • Their a private business, they can censor anything they want

  • @BorgKing001 Their? Did you mean 'they're'?

  • @BorgKing001 True but this is a result of State coercion.

  • i never have used it, that being said censorship is never good. but twitter/facebook, all that crap sucks! lol

  • Don't compromise with people who want to censor you. If you give them just one inch, you'll never get them off your back.

  • Any chance the camera man could FUCKING STAND STILL?!?!?

  • I never understood the twitter craze, I didnt understand how it was different than just keeping up to date through facebook updates and whatnot

  • We're off 'a Twitter then! Abandon ship, and join another one. :3

    I never liked it anyway.

  • @MysteriousMayonaise What's :3 ?

  • @Ollie9402 it's a smiley with a cleft palate.

  • @Ollie9402 Its a face. :P

  • I hate the fucking cameraman, I hate the fucking setup. Quit staring at each other and talk to the audience

  • The question is why do you want twitter in the first place.

    Even boss of twitter has no idea what purpose it serves.

  • There should be zero tolerance for censorship no matter the cost. If we don't fight against censorship rigedly, then our freedoms will be chipped away at a slow and steady rate. We need to take action if we want to solve this problem within our lifetime.

  • i want ana to sit on my face.

  • How can I censor this video?

  • truth usually gets censored, otherwise why would people be bothered if it was hearsay?

  • If twitter actually does this, it'll become just a worse version of Weibo. The only think keeping Weibo from being better is the censorship, so... :/

  • yet why would you want twitter if a politician like the ones in my country will want censor any twitt they dont like, they are giving government the power to control a private bussines a bussines based on the freedom of people to say the things they like.

    now all governments will make laws out of their ass to make imposible for people to comunicate important information without repercusion.

    whats the point of twitter if you can tell people the important shit.

  • she wore that shirt already

  • she is looking hot today

  • Ana made a great comment about how they can use code words

  • oh wow I won't be using twitter no more...

  • lol brb never heard of proxies

  • She's so pretty O_o what's with the lights, she's actually glowing :D

  • Ana looks amazing at just 360p but I just realized by pressing the sprocket tab I can see her at 1080p, who thought she could get any prettier?!

  • @joecairo1

    Keep your dick in your pants boy

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  • If you look into this more, it's actually a good thing. If you realistically think twitter can go against a government who will shut it down anyways, then you're nuts.

    However, what twitter is doing, is making sure that the tweet is only blocked in THAT SPECIFIC COUNTRY. Twitter will be making a list of any blocked tweets and making it available to the rest of the world.

  • interestingly enough, these poor ass countries have the funds to monitor people's internet use... oh wait, they do that here too.

  • why is tyt defending them pussying out on freedom

  • Sorry TYT but censorship is censorship! It never stops at just a few countries like China & Egypt. Now that they have given in to Government pressure, ALL Governments will use this to their advantage. Sure its a business & can do what it likes, but no business can survive without the people. So twitter & others should be very careful not to piss us off too.

  • what's the point of everyone having access to it if no one can say what they really want to say? that's like saying we have the right to elect our leaders, but we can only choose between two people for each position, and the popular vote isn't the only factor that determines who gets elected, but another set of votes from some institution of un-elected individuals determines who gets elected. oh wait...

  • Ana uses that typical Western horseshit fairy tale line about how "Egypt's revolution war so influenced by da social networks like facebook and twitter."

    #1 This is just false, and only used by Westerners to give their inventions credit for other people's hard work. Some Egyptians say this as well, but you'll notice they have American or British accents.

    #2 The true cause and moving force of the Egyptian Revolution was the labor unions and working class. It was a revolution of labor.

  • @youngbuck189 Thank You. Ana is just another typical example of an American jumping up and down saying "look how good we are!!" was even worse after ww1 and ww2.

  • @youngbuck189 #1 Does it matter that Twitter was a "western" invention?

    #2 I was under the assumption that the people that were in the streets all the time and camping in tahrir sq

  • @595o are were jobless young people, not union leaders.

  • Twitter is a whore to the highest bidder.

  • I want to hear Cenks chinese accent!

  • its freedom of speech

    -> there is no room for compromise.

    If everybody played hardball when asked to censor,

    those countries would have allot less room to maneuver

  • Twitter and Chilling Effects (EFF) will be partnering to document all cases where governments request censorship of content on Twitter in their countries.  Government transparency, FTW.

    TYT conveniently failed to mention this...

  • What is the point of giving people access to a platform that has government fingers all over it?

    Fuck the government and if a particular government does not allow twitter to be used in their own country, so be it.

  • "Tweeting" is gossiping. Any man who "tweets" is engaging in gossip. Women gossip!

  • Being censored is worse being banned.

    If twitter continues to operate as a censored (regulated) entity, it gives the people who use it the false impression that it's an honest & open information source (like television & radio). When in reality it has become just another form of information control (like television & radio)

    ...but of course, like every other business on earth twitter exists first & foremost to make money. The only real solution is to get govt out of the regulation business.

  • @UtubeMyAccountName Well, theoretically they could make their censoring transparent, I mean opaque, no wait…

  • The only reason why twitter is interesting is that news is spread from it. If they censor it what will be usefull about it? Are people in Syria going to read about Kardashians ass?

  • @hurbaga

    Sorry about that. It's the official site, was kind of obvious.

    What you want is the "Tor Browser Bundle" Installer. You can find it on various software distribution websites:

    bit.ly /c1wzgE

    That's the German version, unfortunately. Anyone got an English mirror?

  • @pkesseli no need for a bundle configuring itself should be no rocket science

  • You guys miss the point that if you allow government censorship to begin...you then open the floodgates. Kiss the internet goodbye people...there are very wealthy interests working hard to undermine your collective reasoning - see why fox news has been successful - and if you let them get their foot in the door even a bit...Its all over.

  • FUCK CENSORSHIP! 

  • What the fuck cenk... You should at least try to mobilize us as to punish twitter... This is outrageous it is starting now lets stop it

  • Bye bye twitter. I'm off.

  • Odd that this occurred after a Saudi Arabian Prince invested 300 million in Twitter...

  • @Surells Wait what? FUCK! That a-hole can get lost!

  • not twitter's fault

  • After all that Twitter did to help the arab spring, they pull this crap?

  • Sorry, but that whole Arab Spring being sparked by Twitter and Facebook is a nice, cute little myth. It had something to do with it, yes, but none of these 'revolutions' would have been possible without the backing of US military and intelligence. This isn't something that those involved have been reticent about either. You can look it up, unless you prefer the fairy tale version.

  • @sdofik It is indeed & I actually get angry when I hear that bull. Although not as angry as when I hear the "Wikileaks caused the Arab Spring" crap.

  • Failed to mention that Twitter is also posting every censorship request they get so the world can see who's having the tweets removed.

  • This is something extremely similar to what Google did a while back with China

  • Proxy servers ftw!!

  • Unsubscribed from Twitter. Doesn't matter if you can read it abroad, because they won't just delete the Tweet, THEY WILL COME AFTER THE GUY TWITTERING!! He won't be twittering for long.

  • @Radehx This video is the first bit of news I've seen so far about this, so my position isn't concrete yet. But if it is true that Twitter agrees to let a country hunt down the guy twittering let alone just delete the tweet, then I definitely feel the same way as you. I don't actually have a Twitter account, but I would say that while a business is a business, its leaders should still try to have a moral line that cannot be compromised.

  • @TheNeocatZone In the end, it's of course still govenment censorship. I just wished Twitter would have taken the moral high ground instead.Twitter was a good way to voice your opinion, and they're now kinda taking that away from people because while we in "free" countries can still read those tweets, people in those "problematic" countries are being kept in the dark. Less free speech is never good, and while it makes business sense, ethically it's kinda sad.

  • Im not the most tex savy guy but even if the gov blocks twitter for a country cant they just use something like tor to work around it?

  • Netflix lost so many subscribers they had to apolagise and reduce there renting fees. Do the same with Twitter. Otherwise who knows where it will end. And respond to ACTA just like SOPA otherwise that will become law. Give no ground.