Sorry but your all wrong....learn the ture history of Rome and their 2000 year old scams.....you have all been fooled. Constantine's women wrote the bible as a book of control and it still controls the minds of millions.
muslims go hell unless male and kill u say ur more insane than i thaught. i know jesus dint write the psalms i said he used a quote FROM psalms blessed are the meek but since dint say these words are not mine but i took them from psalms he is plaigarising some1 elses work. as for tabari never heard of him
Obviously it's not Jesus coffin, because he wasn't ever put in a coffin. Not only that, but he didn't stay dead. He rose up from the dead, and he is alive today!!!
Jesus wasn't put into a coffin, He was put to rest inside a tomb but when they went in to check on the body it was gone, Because being the son of God he rose from the dead. have faith..
Satan get behind me! Jesus is Lord and is alive and well with the father and your name is in the book of death not life for trying to convince others of this lie. May God have mercy on your soul. Praise the name of the Lord Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus was resurrected but that does not mean into a human body but a spiritual body, for He did not need to be a human for He rose to go to God our Father in Heaven who is also spirit.
Did he not create Adam from dust? Of course He did! God way's are above us in mentality and power or He could never be called God, we must worship in a spirit of truth and love. Loving Family Church of God. Email us at lfcg@gmx.com
Jesus Ressucitou com tudo que Ele era e foi. Corpo, Alma e Divindade. Quando Ele apareceu aos Apóstolos, que significa, testemunhas oculares de Jesus Cristo, Jesus mostrou sua Mãos perfuradas pelos pregos. Pregos não perfuram espíritos. Jesus é completo em tudo. Não duvidem de nada que está na bíblia, viva a bíblia na sua vida cotidiana e deixe Jesus fazer maravilhas em sua vida. Participe da Igreja, mostre sua fé em obras de amor ao próximo.
Did anybody consider what a spirit being is, it is without a body. Also consider that Jesus the son of God will resurrect Millions from the ashes and remains. So it is obvious that he does not need bones to raise us from the dead. God can do this because he is all powerful.
Did not the angels in the old testament show up as humans to talk with Abraham for example? God is omnipresent which tells us of his great power.
Jesus didn't die on the cross, there was no resurrection, he survived, and ultimately returned to his childhood home of Kashmir where he lived between the ages of 14 and 29 and died there at the ripe old age of about 80 years.
Jesus... there are a lot of stupid people posting here. So, Jesus is the only person to die and not leave bones? Don't let religion make you stupid, be reasonable.
@PaulAll1313 Be careful about accusing others of posting stupid comments or you may get that dubious title fired back at you, especially given that bones in general would not survive 2000 years and would decay to dust in most cases.
Moving on, the limestone ossuary shown in this video is a distinctly Jewish custom. Given that Jesus is certainly buried in Srinagar I think it's highly unlikely that he's to be found in a Jewish designed sandstone box.
now what we really have forgotten is our own holy spirit soul,and this is easy to do as christian i eas raised as one but was told about my soul and that it was important .
funny is that as christian we don't teach eachother about our own soul belevings and how to live with it ,what we do learn is that being sober is the best way living al the same is good .
then i aske myself why has he created right and wrong jesus and lucifer to fight eachother ore to create a balance for every soul .
@loversboy91 yea i was being too harsh.The fact is thare is just no proff that anything jesus said was true.If anyone can prove to me that jesus was telling the truth or that thare is a god i will chang my way of thinking.Im not going to start praying to them or start going to church but I will believe they both exist and evin if thare is a god and he did create evreything i think a simple thanks will suffice.We waste our time praying and making churches and thare is no proff that god is real.
jusus was just some randon guy who went crazy and evreything he said was a lie and if he ever dose some way come back ill have the stakes ready bye bye crazy guy.
That tomb was actually for James, the brother of Jesus. It was later discovered to be fake, and made hundreds of years later. We learned about it in Archaeology class and it was inscribed by a modern man.
If this was the tomb Jesus was placed in WHO are the 2 corpus, since Jesus rose from the grave on the 3rd and then assended BACK into heaven, so WHO is buried there.?
@JamieAndCaelan@TheDeatharcana God will never allow Jesus to be crucified... The Holy Quran says that Jesus was sent to the high heavens, and replaced him with a look-a-like. People at that time wouldn't know what happened, as ppl of Israel really thought that they killed Jesus Christ. May god bless us all
What a bunch of who-haw. If Jesus arose from his pyrre in the cave and was taken up bodily into heaven, why would there be a funeral box with bones in it?
You guys don't get it. Jesus fought the system after an economic melt down of Rome. It enslaved the people. He fought for freedom. When he said he would come back in 2,000 years, he meant in your hearts. Fight like Jesus did. Fight for humanity. The worldwide corporate empire is about to collapse. Don't let them take your soul, fight! Freedom! PS Israelis have always been behind this.
yeah if you could not mix up some historical relics, and maybe be less mysterious about your point.. i think you might have gotten your point across... but fail.
@sergiomarchelli the "coffin" shown is not actually a coffin but a ossuary. and they actually did use them. its used after a body's is first temporary grave to decompose, then after some years when it is just the skeletal remains, the remains are removed and placed in an ossuary.They are frequently used where burial space is scarce. and that picture wasnt even of the ossuary they thought was christ, that one is a child's ossuary found in what they believe is the jesus family tomb.
@msniclynn mostly this is speculation. There is no way to be proven. Also you can see the most common names from this period. You will find a lot of such tombs...
@sergiomarchelli- That's why i said "what they believe is the jesus family tomb." you are correct one will find a lot of such tombs in Israel, but its still not a coffin ;-) and the author of the video still mixed up the relics and made a very confusing video. agreed?
I just have a question, but i actually want an answer. Why would we believe this is Jesus' coffin? You gave us a picture of two skeletons next to each other. You could've gotten this picture from photobucket for all we know. I just want to know what makes this believable. Once again to do want an answer please.
@maryrose555 the picture was actually from an excavation in Italy, 25 miles south of Verona. i did a paper on it in college and that is why i remember the picture. some believe it is the real life "romeo and Juliet" and from the way he put this video together, i think he are more concerned with the possibility of finding "romeo and Juliet" than of finding the remains of Christ. especially with the way he quote Shakespeare at the end there. Oh and the Coffin is actually and Ossuary of a child
@msniclynn there is no real proof that "he" existed! The only so called evidence is a fairy tale book written by a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago telling us that he existed. Come on man..... Imaginary friends are for kids, thats all jesus is... grow out of it.
@Diaddy28 sorry but i think it is the "Myth" part that got me, not believing he is the or a savior i understand, but that he never existed i don't. and i like historical discussions, what would you say to the existence of non-biblical/Christan historical evidence that a man name Jesus did exist and was crucified. such evidence including a first-century Roman historian Tacitus(Annals)., a Jewish historian Flavius Josephus(Antiquities), and The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin) to name a few.
Islam IS a violent religion which should be banned worldwide from being practiced. Islam is the sole reason why little children are raped and murdered & forced to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up killing many other innocents!
@faithandproof as you asked... he never said we must worship him because a gift that is demanded is not a gift. but if you care to look in Luke 22: 66-70 you will read the answer to your question.
And let's not forget doubting Thomas who would not believe Jesus had risen from the dead unless he placed his hand and fingers in his side where the spear struck him and into the nail holes in his hands and feet.
Jesus physically went to heaven after he rose from the dead. So I don't care how many tombs they find with Yaweh on it. It is not Jesus, because he rose from the dead
@Hans021220 you dumb shitface jesus is not god HE IS THE MESSENGER OF GOD get that straight you stupid retard. im so tired of your complaining go away
@ProudtobeMuslim786 I respect your opinion,but you hav absolutely no exuse too call people from another religion a stupid retard and a dumb shitface!!!
And when did I complain? I just said what I believe.
You go and google more about what your Koran says about talking bad about other peoples beliefe...If Islam is a religion of peace,you just do not behave like that with saying those bad words.
THE SIN OF ONE PERSON WILL NOT BE THE SIN OF ALL THE PEOPLE.. so the sin of one muslim will not be the sin of all muslims and ISLAM... so if others made a mistake, dont judge them of what religion he/she has...
and F.Y.I. ...ISLAM is a RELIGION OF PEACE.. its the other people who follow it are not doing good...
let's consider our individuality and not focus on one person only..
WE MUSLIMS WERE TAUGHT TO BE HUMBLE AND STAY IN GOOD TERMS WITH THE DISBELIEVERS..
There is only 1 Islam. The Qur'an teaches muslims to murder all non-believers, especially Jews and Christians, even when taught not to question the authority of People of the Book. Obviously it is not a "religion of peace".
@Msunbird02 the verse you are referring to was a revelation during the war. Sura 2:191-193 and you will see that it was about opression, and Islam being supressed. You will also see that if the supression stops, they the supressors stop, then let them be for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.
The Quran inspire Violence, in fact if you read the Quran you will see that it a grave sin to commit murder.
Rubbish! It's a disservice to humankind that Islam cannot convince jihadis of your take. I've read the book for myself and know that earlier 'peaceful' verses are abrogated in favour of later more violent behaviours allegedly condoned by Muhammad's alter ego which he decided to name "Allah".
@Msunbird02 Allah is arabic word meaning God. Its universal not an alter ego of sort sir. I thank you for being openminded and reading the Quran and I hope you understand that Quran, as direct revelation from Allah (God), never inspire violence.
The question i think is what is the genesis of this problem we have now?for certainly it will not arise without any reason at all. I hope you noticed that it was about opression against Islam that Muslims have to defend themselves especially Islam.
Correction: Allah is an Arabic word meaning "a god" as in any deity which doesn't imply monotheism. Qur'an (29:61 & 39:38) claims pre-Islamic Arabs believed in Allah as a god who was superior to the other gods idolised at the Ka'aba. In Hebrew "el" was the word for god - lower case g - as in idols. Elohiym was used to convey "God" with a capital "G." In Arabic, "el" became "il". Arabs derived a secondary word for god, "ilah" with "al" being the Arabic word for "the".
@Msunbird02 Al in Arabic means The. and i dont where did you get your information but certainly they are wrong. 29:61 If indeed thou ask them who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law), they will certainly reply, "Allah". How are they then deluded away (from the truth)? THIS IS WHAT YOU QUOTE ME.
Quran recognizes Injeel & Torah but not d present Bible that compile both bc they are man made. (God's revelation has no contradictions as the bible has)
lol More taqiyya! Jesus and Christianity were 'born' long before Isa and Islam were invented by Muhammad who recognised the authenticity of both Judeo-Christian scriptures. Can you explain who allegedly altered those texts and when pls? No, I didn't think so b/c Islamic scholars agree they're NOT changed. At last count, there are 71 contradictions in the Qur'an which is definitely not from any god.
@Msunbird02 Islam doesnt deny the Jesus. IT AFFIRMS HIS BEING THE MESSIAH. however not his divinity.please send to me the links of your so called COTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN. meantime youR Bible dont you KNOW has TOO MUCH CONTRADICTIONS? INCEST in the BIBLE. STONING in the BIBLE. VIOLENCE in the BIBLE. and PORNOGRAPHY in the BIBLE (EZEKIEL 23)
council of nicea in 325A.D. led by constantine who was a pagan. dec 25 presented to him as Jesus birth and IT WAS A PAGAN'S BIG FEAST...
Judaeo-Xtianity is based only on the 10 Commandments. Constantine converted to Christianity. The council didn't select verses for inclusion in the Bible. It decided upon a date for Easter not Christmas.
w w w . christian-history . org/council-of-nicea-canons.html
Islam denies the divinity and crucifixion of Jesus which means Isa is NOT the Christian Jesus. This proves that Muhammad belied his own edict of acknowledging authenticity of Judeo-Xtian scripture and authority of People of the Book. This exposes his desire to create a cult purely for his own benefit. Having no witnesses to his alleged visitations disqualifies his self-proclaimed prophethood also contradicting (authenticated) scripture. He also confessed to his fraudulence ....
@Msunbird02 YOU ARE DESPERATE! (forgive my manners but you are out of your mind.) YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR..WHEN HE WAS BEING PRESSURED BY THE PAGAN ARABS, A LOT OF HARDSHIP AND PAIN HE HAD MET BUT HE DID NOT TAKE BACK HIS WORDS AND CLAIM THAT HE WAS A PROPHET AND THEN YOU MAKE UP THIS WORDS? If you don't believe in Muhammad being a prophet, at least have a conscience and DO NOT LIE. Your God will still judge you by every impossible word you utter. GOD FORGIVE YOU.
If you don't believe what I've just told you, use the reference to check it out for yourself before calling anyone a liar in a public forum. Muhammad was a failure at peaceful preaching so then he resorted to terrorising others to submit to his own will (not any god's). It's a historical fact. Btw, did you read the canons from the Council of Nicea yet?
@Msunbird02 this is desperation! he didnt fail... and if you are reading or listening to a book or a particular person that thing/person is so partial. The fact that you thought ALLAH to be "a god" is a clear point that you got a wrong side of the story. In Arabic language AL means THE and ILAH means God ALLAH = THE GOD. definite and universal.
Anyone who has to resort to violence to force people to submit to his way of thinking is a failure. Btw, a translator of Tabari added a footnote stating "The name Allah has been translated as 'God.' which doesn't necessarily mean "God" in a monotheistic sense. Perhaps you should take your issue up with Tabari instead.
@Msunbird02 I see. I understand that Tabari said that Allah does not denote monotheistic sense YOU IMMEDIATELY BELIEVED. you see you have to gather further evidence/proof. Again, in Arabic language Allah is definite & singular whch by the way means THE GOD so it is a universal calling. Muslims do not believe in any god but THE GOD (in Arabic ALLAH)
Wrong. My other reference sources are academically sound. According to all Muslim records, the Quran was composed entirely by Muhammad who attributed it to an angel who allegedly inspired it to him. So, the Qur'an is obviously NOT the literal word of any god given directly to Muhammad. You're only doing what you've been brainwashed to do ... carry a (falsified) holy book in one hand and guns, grenades or swords with the other. These manifestations are symptoms of a disease.
@Msunbird02 now you are wrong. you see you only see what media would want you to see, what propaganda wants you to see. no such thing as carry a gun or kill or whatever that may bring impediment to other people that is clearly stated in Quran in fact, we are commanded not to look at anyone as inferior or superior to us as we are all human beings. We look up to Muhammad because he is the last prophet of God (Allah) to us, mankind. but still he is human equal to us.
No I am not wrong. What you're saying is PROVING that the Qur'an is based on contradiction. Muhammad was no prophet b/c he left no prophecy. All his attempts at prophecy were only ever given AFTER events had occurred and without witnesses.
@Msunbird02 really now? I dont think you understand Islam at all. ISLAM IS ABOUT EQUALITY. AND BELIEVE IN ONE GOD
The Quran is a revelation from Allah. Studies show that science discoveries accurately conform with how it was detailed in the Holy Quran. you can check them here in youtube, from scientist who testified to it, but of course you would deny this bc of ONE SUCH REASON: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ISLAM.
@Msunbird02 now I see where you are coming from. The religion of pre-islamic pagan arabs must not be confused with Islam. You see, Abraham and his son ishmael built the Ka'aba as a place of worship (Sura 2:125 please refer to it) then time goes on that in Mecca, pagans outnumbered Muslims and then they were able to take over the Ka'aba & placed their idols in it..then the coming of Muhammad S.A.W. brought it back to its original purpose as a place of worship for monotheistic religion
Again, you're mistaken and only parotting what's in the Qur'an. In reality, there's no evidence what so ever that either Abraham or Ishmael ever visited Makkah. The fact is that the ka'aba was built by pagans in pre-Islamic times to house their idols.
@Msunbird02 The Quran is the sole words of God (Allah). It is not a story told by Muhammad, nor any of Muhammad's words could be found in the Quran. IT IS THE SOLE WORDS OF GOD (ALLAH)
No it isn't. Quranic experts attribute the Qur'an in its form today to post-7th Century alterations. Caliph Uthman ordered everyone to turn in their Qur’an and he then issued a "standardized" version. Earliest versions didn’t have vowels / diacritical dots but now different versions (not translations) are different in basic letters and have diacritical dots and vowels that change word meanings and whole sentences. It wasn't finalised until 932CE, 300 years after Muhammad's death.
@Msunbird02 There is really this Osmanic Quran. and it was taken cared of in his time. The very fact that you call Osman to be Uthman is a very clear point that you as well do not know how to correctly pronounce Arabic.. and you know just a single difference like a vowel in Arabic would mean different. For instance, Kalb and Qalb, one means dog, the other means heart. AND THERE WERE HAFIZ, one who memorize the Holy Quran, AND THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WRONG VERSION SO IT HAS TO BE TAKEN CARED OF
@Msunbird02 The original Quran has no vowels that is right and I am not disproving them. I hope you notice that I wrote vowel but the example I gave: kalb and qalb is not a difference bet. vowels but of consonants.
AGAIN, HAFIZes KNEW THE QURAN BY HEART AND SO THEY KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE THEM, THEN BACAUSE OF THE MUTIALATION VOWELS WERE ADDED FOR LAYMEN TO UNDERSTAND AND BE ABLE TO PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY.
People are human; their memories are fallible and they forget or misrepresent things as did the memorizers. The fact that some versions of the book contain more surahs than others of itself proves that the Qur'an has been changed irrespective of vowels and pronunciation.
@Msunbird02 i AGREE. THAT IS WHY THE THE PEOPLE WHO MEMORIZE THE HOLY QURAN PASSED IT IMMEDIATELY TO ANY ONE WHO WOULD WANT TO BECOME A HAFIZ..THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT SUCH AS HE MUST BE HIS SON, OR AN INTELLIGENT MAN OR WHAT NOT..and no sir. Quran has only 114 suras NO MORE, NO LESS.
@fiyourz Now let's talk about Christianity. first and i hope you are aware that Jesus is one of the mightiest messenger of Allah as we Muslims believe, he is the messiah, he heal the blind, lepers and bring back dead to life BY GOD'S PERMISSION and supported by the BIble (John 5:30, john 14:28 and he's prayer bEfore calling Lazarus to life)
DO YOU KNOW THAT JESUS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD?NEVER SAID WORSHIP ME IN THE BIBLE?THEN HOW COME YOU ARE WORSHIPPING HIM?
@Msunbird02 The Holy Bible even confirms, and Jesus is saying THAT IS HE SENT (MESSENGER) not God but Son of God. "As many as are led by the spirit of God, are the sons of God. "Romans 8:14 "Peace Be With You (Assalamu Alaikom in Arabic) As father has SENT me, I am sending you. " John 20:21 "...the one who is sent is not greater than the one who sent him. "John 13:16
"Son of G-d" and "sons of G-d" are different concepts altogether. One is literal and the other is metaphoric. Muhammad plagiarised the "peace be with you" phrase and told people it was an Islamic phrase b/c it was written in Arabic. lol
@Msunbird02 The dffernce is snglar and plural. ITS NOT PLAGIARISING. THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOD, He is the Father(metaphorical) in heaven. "Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9). SO JESUS CANCELED OUT THE POSIBILITY OF HIS BEING GOD as you said HE IS GOD INCARNATE ON EARTH. "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."John 5:30
I see your point but apart from the singular v plural issue, the English language can also be interpreted in alternative senses and contexts. I'm sure you realise that.
@Msunbird02 I AGREE. WHY NOT EXPLAIN ITS ALTERNATIVE AND CONTEXT SENSE? I'm telling you when Jesus said son of God, he means RIGHTLY PERSON, GODLY PERSON. He uses fables to explain things, speaks in idiomatic way. HE IS USING METAPHORS. 2Cor.4:4 "The devil is the God of this world." Check JOHN 10:34 and he called the Jews gods. ARE THEY GODS? SIR IF THE BIBLE IS FROM GOD IT IS TELLING YOU THAT JESUS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD. Also check Job 25:4-6 ITS A QUALIFication OF WHAT GOD IS NOT.
J doesn't mean what you think b/c his birth was foretold in Isaiah 9:6;7:14. 700 years earlier.
"For unto us a CHILD is BORN a SON is given: (prophetic perfect verb), and the government shall be upon HIS shoulder: and HIS name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace..... Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with CHILD and will give BIRTH to a SON, and will call Him Immanuel (God Is With Us)."
@Msunbird02 We believe that Jesus is born by Mary by virgin birth. It is in the Quran - Surah Mariam(Mary) Chapter 19:16-21. again sir consider what you said about alternative and context sense, Jesus calling the jews gods in John 10:34 AGAIN THEY ARE NOT GOD, ITS METAPHORICAL. ALSO IN EXODUS 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. IS MOSES GOD?its metaphorical, its not the literal sense of it. JESUS IS THE MESSIAH
Of course these references are strictly metaphorical. It's clear you're choosing to be selective in acknowledging ALL the metaphors and disregarding the biological genealogy of Jesus compared to yours or mine. That's where the Muslim complaint fails at tripping Christians up ;)
@Msunbird02 I do agee with your point that the Bible is metaphorical in content. It is not complaining but trying bridge the gap. We believe in one God, Islam and Christianity, but somewhere along the road, differences took place
Quran 4:171 O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles.
As you know, it's impossible to "bridge the gap" between Islam and any other belief system b/c of it's dominance tenet thanks to Muhammad who created the differences to suit his own ends. You needn't bother quoting the Qur'an to me.
@Msunbird02 I am not a conspiracy theorist but I believe some people are working under the table to destroy the good reputation of ISLAM. 15-20 years ago, there is no Muslims are terrorists propaganda. ISLAM is hailed the fastest religion in the world, but fortunately NUMBERS OF MUSLIMS, AND BECOMING MUSLIMS GROW BY AT LEAST 20%EVERY YEAR EVEN IN THIS "TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS" TIMES. Why? BC ISLAM IS PEACEFUL,AND ARE WITNESSED BY THE MUSLIMS but OTHERS DO NOT SEE IT B/C THEY DONT WANT TO.
@fiyourz Mate, it isn't a conspiracy theory ... it's all there in Islamic texts. Mo literally divided humanity in 2 parts with perpetual wars: Dar al Harb and Dar al Islam. Post WW2 muslim terrorism has been on the world stage since the 1960-70s. Islam is NOT the fastest growing religion at all.
Growth occurs by Birth, Conversion and New adherents.
Christianity: B = 22,708,799 + C = 2,501,396 + N = 25,210,195
Islam: B = 21,723,118 + C = 865,558 + N = 22,588,676
Muhammadans have murdered 270 million people in 1400 years courtesy of Qur'an 9:5, 9:14,9:29, 9:123, 8:12, 8:39, 8:55, 5:60, 5:64, 5:82, 4:76, 4:90, 4:145, 3:111, 2:98, 2:193, 24:101 ... but hey, "no muslim should be killed for killing a kafir." (Bukhari 9.50) You know as well as I do that peace is impossible for muslims. If not, I suggest you open today's newspaper or start watching a 6 pm News bulletin on any day of the week.
@Msunbird02 If we are going to talk about past, look at what Christianity had done in trying to make people believe in your religion. There even existed the killings of the same Christians, its just because of a different denomination. (e.g. Bloody Mary reign), The burning of witches/women?heretics? Ivan the terrible's devotion and its effect - its their personal actions but they did it bec of too much belief you say?guess what? even Pope's had done bad things as well. THEY ARE CHRISTIANS.
I haven't tried to vindicate anything by using historical facts. You're right, I am close minded about Islam to spare myself from infection from Mo's disease. You think Mo was one of the most peaceful men on earth and dare to call me close minded? You surely are infected by the poison.
@Msunbird02 OKAY! :) I am closeminded. NO ONE CAN CHANGE OTHER PERSON, ONLY THEMSELVES. I also see that you are reading, reseaching, and trying to understand. I hope you will UNDERSTAND, see, it soon. I thank you for the conversation. I learned, and I hope you also did. But I have to stop from here. I RESPECT YOUR VIEWS, BUT MUHAMMAD IS NEVER VIOLENT ACC. TO THE MESSAGE PASSED ON TO US SINCE WE WERE KIDS, AND ACC. TO MY OWN RESEARCHES.
I know you're obligated to try to brainwash unbelievers into the cult but you won't score hasanat points from me. Understand that in reality, Mo was 1 of THE most violent people that ever lived with a body count of > 270 million and rising daily which proves the truth of my point. Thanks for respecting my views but I regret not being able to return the compliment b/c you now know you've been deceived with taqiyya since you were a kid. Do some independent research, ok? Take care.
@Msunbird02 this compels me to share: try to check YUSUF ESTES, he was a pastor and now a Muslim - just for knowing his point what made him convert and become "brainwashed".
HERE IN YOUTUBE. Also check, the view of Jews on Mary's virgin birth...I will not further on explaining it, I might have misunderstood it so its better that you hear it yourself.
AND YES I WILL CONTINUE MY READING AND BTW, IT IS INDEPENDENT RESEARCH THAT I DO. Thanks.
I know that Mr Estes has fallen for the unchanged Qur'an lie. I've proven that it definitely has and I hope you'll into that - Uthman started that. Jews can believe whatever they want which doesn't mean their beliefs are inviolate. There are Messianic Jews and many Orthodox who secretly believe.
Pls watch this explanation: /watch?v=eATJ4PRXEJk
Also watch Ron Wyatt: /watch?v=J8PnYNDCH54&feature=channel_video_title
The Ark of the Covenant has been found with Jesus haploid blood on it.
Please be reminded that this is the 21st century and Christians do not go around killing each other over doctrinal differences. Papal actions were what caused the Reformation that resulted in Protestantism until the the Treaty of Westphalia ended it in 1648 - > 300 years ago but muslims are still at it well and truly. Doesn't that tell you there's something seriously amiss with Islam?
@Msunbird02 you think that christians doing so much brutal murders in past doesnt matter now in that case muslims should torture for 600years more to be level with you since it started 600years after xtians . church has been most evil brutal regime for centuries you dont mention that xtianity something seriously amiss with it centuries ago
@fiyourz do alittle bit more research on history nd you will find the truth. All these lies about christians burning/women is not true . dont believe in things you hear or read from someone who is anti christian. actually do some research. real reseearch
@Msunbird02 QURAN DEMANDS GOOD ACTIONS TOWARDS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS..whether you believe this or not. And do read in context and you will understand YOUR SO CALLED VIOLENCE IN THE QURAN.
YOU SEE HOW VIOLENT CHRISTIANS COULD BE? Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13 I WOULD HAZARD A GUESS THAT THIS VERSE MUST HAVE BEEN A LAW BEFORE.
@fiyourz before they were picking on the nazi now muslims they will pick on some1 else next. these creatures are going hell so this is how they act to others,1 theyll lose human bodies then 2lose their human minds inhell 3 they wont remember there is an outside of hell these non humans will then suffer like this forever , not knowing anything more than whats inside hell these creatures wont even remember being human eventually let alone there human worshipping bullshit lose ther own humanity
Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs
I know Jesus isn't G-d but rather the Son of G-d, literally as foretold in Isaiah. Christians and Jews don't refer to Jesus as G-d (the Father). Where did you get that wrong idea from?
@Msunbird02 RIGHT! AND WE ALL ARE THE SONS OF GOD. CHECK MATTHEW, AND JESUS IS EVEN SAYING OUR FATHER, YOUR FATHER... MATTHEW 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. CLEARLY JESUS IS SPEAKING HERE AND CONFIRMING THAT THE GOD IN HEAVEN IS THE FATHER OF EVERYBODY. 13 TIMES HE ADDRESSED THE GOD AS OUR FATHER, OR YOUR FATHER.
No, J was the biological Son of G-d (allegedly) b/c G-d was literally Jesus's father; we are metaphorical 'sons of G-d' with different biological human fathers. When referring to the rest of us being 'sons of G-d, J is speaking metaphorically only, not literally.
@Msunbird02 jesus said blessed are the meek he never mentioned it was from psalms he never gave the credit so he is the one who plaigerised , muhammed said sumat from psalms but he said its in psalms he gave the credit so jesus is the one who stole plaigerised not muhammed so blame bible for saying this
I think you'll find that there are those who've memorize 2 more surahs than others b/c of the differences between versions. There is no doubt that the Qur'an has been changed and that different versions do exist in different parts of the world.
@Msunbird02 no sir. THE HOLY QURAN HAS 114 SURAHS ONLY. IT COULD BE A DISCUSSION UP UNTIL TODAY IF ITS TRUE THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO MORE SURAHS IN THE HOLY QURAN, FORTUNATELY NONE. HAFIZ THESE PEOPLE WHO MEMORIZE THE HOLY QURAN ARE NOT ONLY ARABS BUTANYBODY..FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD.
lol I've told you a known fact but always find it laughable when Muslims refuse to accept Islamic proof of the taqiyya spread by their own mullahs and imams.
@Msunbird02 Islam is not a poduct of arabian taqiyya.or where there any to be concealed or what. DON'T YOU THINK IT STRANGE THAT PEOPLE SEE THE FAULT OF A SINGLE PERSON AND ASSOCIATE IT WITH ISLAM WHILE A GOOD WORK OF AN INDIVIDUAL MUSLIM OR GROUPS WERE IGNORED?
What if the same judgment is passed on to Chistianity? But we don't because its not proper. JESUS SAID YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.
Muslims pray 5x a day, give charity, abolish racism, observe ummah-brotherhood...et cetera
Well, Islam is the fault of only 1 person - Muhammad. Actually, Muslims are instructed to hold the same judgement on Christianity and Judaism; ie kill all believers .... yet their scripture doesn't insist on the same treatment of Muslims. To Muslims, all non-Muslims are racist and the ummah is a myth, considering that muslims are still busy blowing each other up every day.
@Msunbird02 BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO SEE IT. THERE ARE ALOT PLACES IN EARTH WHERE WEALTHY MUSLIMS TAKE CARE OF WEARY PEOPLE THAT INCLUDE CHRISTIANS, JEWS, AND ANY TYPES. try observing MUSLIMS w/o judgment and you will see.
there are blacK sheeps in Islam as do in other things bec we are all human beings, imperfect we all are THAT IS WHY JESUS EVEN SAID YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. Hitler,Caligula, Ivan the Terrible, etc. are DEVOTED CHRISTIANS AND THEY ARE MOST EVIL MEN OF HISTORY
Jihadis are NOT "black sheep". They're doing what Muhammad and the Qur'an have made obligatory for them to do. If jihad was not ordered, it's highly unlikely that the behaviour would be permissible. Hitler et al may have been Christians but they acted on their own personal and political agendas only and would've known that killing / murder is forbidden by the 6th Commandment. That's the very big difference.
@Msunbird02 Again sir, JIHAD means struggle/strife. We go back to 2:191-193 and you will understand the JIHAD as Holy War only when ISLAM is under attack, being suppressed. ITS A FORM OF DEFENSE but ALLAH says stop when they stop for ALLAH is oft-forgiving, most merciful. THE QURAN ALSO HIGHLIGHTED KILLING AS A GRAVE SIN.We condemn TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM but the problem is that MUSLIMS were not given the chance to let the people know about it by the MEDIA and focus more on PARTIALITY.
Jihad is ONLY about violence. Islam isn't under attack or suppression by anyone. Hence, there's nothing else to explain. You can't "condemn terrorists and terrorism" b/c the Qur'an makes it obligatory. You don't see Christians killing Hindus killing Buddhists in the 21st century.
@Msunbird02 How many innocent Muslims died and are still going to die in Afghanistan and Iraq and Palestine? You say because THE ORDER WAS TO TAKE DOWN THE SO CALLED TERRORISM AND THE LIVES OF THESE INNOCENT MUSLIMS WERE UNACCOUNTED FOR? GOOD AS ASACRIFICE? What you are saying is that because the government decreed THE CLEANING then there is impunity?Unfortunately NO.
The invasion of Iraq was of a sole reason, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Where are these WMD when they succeed in Iraq?None.
Innocent muslims are being killed in Afghanistan / Iraq / (mythical) "Palestine" b/c the Taliban and corrupt muslim dictators can't help themselves doing genocide to their own "brothers". Read up about Hussein's war crimes some time.
@Msunbird02 You shocked me by trying to vindicate the killings. What?because there is genocide in the place its alright to have innocent muslims killed?Killing is killing, & its immoral. I have read Saddam Husseins's biography & things about him.
I have to end my discussion with you, my only point was to try to let you see good things about Islam but you seem to be close minded, and I can't do anything about it. AT LEAST FOR US MUSLIMS WE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD WAS ONE OF THE PEACEFUL MAN ON EARTH
@Msunbird02 are you an idiot its refering to the unbelievers that were torturing and murdering muslims in muhammed time saying defend yourselves not anty unbeliever either your just lying or your truly an imbecile to not know this
@Msunbird02 So what is good is that Quran could never be altered or changed because there are people that make it their mission to memorize the Holy Quran by their hearts and any slight changes could be detected and corrected.
TRUE THAT QURAN HAS NO VOWELS BEFORE BUT AGAIN HAFIZes KNOW THE QURAN BY HEART. the vowel was for us who don't speak arabic for us to easily grasp the word once we try to study Arabic. Muhammad heard the revelation, conveyed it to others then later put into writing
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imsmudgefree 1 month ago
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imsmudgefree 1 month ago
Blasphemy.
mracademyawards1 2 months ago
Sorry but your all wrong....learn the ture history of Rome and their 2000 year old scams.....you have all been fooled. Constantine's women wrote the bible as a book of control and it still controls the minds of millions.
roseipk 3 months ago
muslims go hell unless male and kill u say ur more insane than i thaught. i know jesus dint write the psalms i said he used a quote FROM psalms blessed are the meek but since dint say these words are not mine but i took them from psalms he is plaigarising some1 elses work. as for tabari never heard of him
sajakram1 3 months ago
Naah that's not Jesus, that's my great great great great great grandmother.
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 8 months ago
Theres many people in those days who had the same name as Jesus. Had it said something about him then it would be more believable
ZeusHelios 8 months ago
Im Muslim but i still respect u guys tahgt u guys are christen so dont tyhink bad about muslims plz
LuchiaXx9 8 months ago
Obviously it's not Jesus coffin, because he wasn't ever put in a coffin. Not only that, but he didn't stay dead. He rose up from the dead, and he is alive today!!!
ThePetrafan1 9 months ago
Jesus wasn't put into a coffin, He was put to rest inside a tomb but when they went in to check on the body it was gone, Because being the son of God he rose from the dead. have faith..
IrishmanNH 9 months ago
@PaulAll1313 we've found dinosaurs bones dated back millions of years ago STUPID.
Joseph198328 10 months ago
Satan get behind me! Jesus is Lord and is alive and well with the father and your name is in the book of death not life for trying to convince others of this lie. May God have mercy on your soul. Praise the name of the Lord Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stevburke 10 months ago
Jesus was resurrected but that does not mean into a human body but a spiritual body, for He did not need to be a human for He rose to go to God our Father in Heaven who is also spirit.
Did he not create Adam from dust? Of course He did! God way's are above us in mentality and power or He could never be called God, we must worship in a spirit of truth and love. Loving Family Church of God. Email us at lfcg@gmx.com
jamesloveswork 10 months ago
Jesus Ressucitou com tudo que Ele era e foi. Corpo, Alma e Divindade. Quando Ele apareceu aos Apóstolos, que significa, testemunhas oculares de Jesus Cristo, Jesus mostrou sua Mãos perfuradas pelos pregos. Pregos não perfuram espíritos. Jesus é completo em tudo. Não duvidem de nada que está na bíblia, viva a bíblia na sua vida cotidiana e deixe Jesus fazer maravilhas em sua vida. Participe da Igreja, mostre sua fé em obras de amor ao próximo.
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb68 10 months ago
Did anybody consider what a spirit being is, it is without a body. Also consider that Jesus the son of God will resurrect Millions from the ashes and remains. So it is obvious that he does not need bones to raise us from the dead. God can do this because he is all powerful.
Did not the angels in the old testament show up as humans to talk with Abraham for example? God is omnipresent which tells us of his great power.
jamesloveswork 10 months ago
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jamesloveswork 10 months ago
Jesus is our savior our holy friend.
MrHalo555 10 months ago
And the answer is of course 'No.'.
This isn't Jesus' coffin.
Jesus is buried in Srinagar, Kashmir.
Jesus didn't die on the cross, there was no resurrection, he survived, and ultimately returned to his childhood home of Kashmir where he lived between the ages of 14 and 29 and died there at the ripe old age of about 80 years.
pianoplayeruk 11 months ago
Jesus... there are a lot of stupid people posting here. So, Jesus is the only person to die and not leave bones? Don't let religion make you stupid, be reasonable.
PaulAll1313 11 months ago
@PaulAll1313 Be careful about accusing others of posting stupid comments or you may get that dubious title fired back at you, especially given that bones in general would not survive 2000 years and would decay to dust in most cases.
Moving on, the limestone ossuary shown in this video is a distinctly Jewish custom. Given that Jesus is certainly buried in Srinagar I think it's highly unlikely that he's to be found in a Jewish designed sandstone box.
pianoplayeruk 10 months ago
@pianoplayeruk Yeah... we have never found bones older than 2000 years old... way to go stupid.
PaulAll1313 10 months ago
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pianoplayeruk 10 months ago
@PaulAll1313 uhm yes we have. also known as lucy and tthe neandrathals or however you say it
FR3DisGAY 10 months ago
@FR3DisGAY My comment was sarcasm to pianoplayeruk.
PaulAll1313 10 months ago
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studiousx3 11 months ago
Yup that's him all right!
BARNEYRAPEDME69 11 months ago
now what we really have forgotten is our own holy spirit soul,and this is easy to do as christian i eas raised as one but was told about my soul and that it was important .
funny is that as christian we don't teach eachother about our own soul belevings and how to live with it ,what we do learn is that being sober is the best way living al the same is good .
then i aske myself why has he created right and wrong jesus and lucifer to fight eachother ore to create a balance for every soul .
gapieo 1 year ago
Don't belief it! I'm alive!!
elazar79 1 year ago
Hey! What the Hell am I lookin' at?
sparklingmichele 1 year ago
@loversboy91 yea i was being too harsh.The fact is thare is just no proff that anything jesus said was true.If anyone can prove to me that jesus was telling the truth or that thare is a god i will chang my way of thinking.Im not going to start praying to them or start going to church but I will believe they both exist and evin if thare is a god and he did create evreything i think a simple thanks will suffice.We waste our time praying and making churches and thare is no proff that god is real.
xxpuaraxx 1 year ago
all you showed was a tomb and some bones...for all i know that can be my great great great uncle
cierrasme 1 year ago
JESUS IS TRULY ALIVE!
jdmlumbang 1 year ago
jusus was just some randon guy who went crazy and evreything he said was a lie and if he ever dose some way come back ill have the stakes ready bye bye crazy guy.
xxpuaraxx 1 year ago
That tomb was actually for James, the brother of Jesus. It was later discovered to be fake, and made hundreds of years later. We learned about it in Archaeology class and it was inscribed by a modern man.
wutaii1 1 year ago
If this was the tomb Jesus was placed in WHO are the 2 corpus, since Jesus rose from the grave on the 3rd and then assended BACK into heaven, so WHO is buried there.?
starfish50 1 year ago
Its looks like a Homo Erectis but im not sure
TargetMe2010 1 year ago
Excuse my Biblicical ignorance, but did Jesus' body also ascend to Heaven along with his soul?
JamieAndCaelan 1 year ago
@JamieAndCaelan have u ever heard of the "Thiaoouba Prophecy"?
TheDeatharcana 1 year ago
@TheDeatharcana No, please enlighten me.
JamieAndCaelan 1 year ago
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@JamieAndCaelan @TheDeatharcana God will never allow Jesus to be crucified... The Holy Quran says that Jesus was sent to the high heavens, and replaced him with a look-a-like. People at that time wouldn't know what happened, as ppl of Israel really thought that they killed Jesus Christ. May god bless us all
adamrce 1 year ago
What a bunch of who-haw. If Jesus arose from his pyrre in the cave and was taken up bodily into heaven, why would there be a funeral box with bones in it?
LoraSinger 1 year ago
OK if that is jesus's tomb, who is that other person next 2 him???
116gaara 1 year ago
Jesus had pizza at my place last night, got stoned and passed out on the couch.
jopadoch 1 year ago
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keep it short and simple:
Islam is the answer
in the name Muhammad
caligulasparks 1 year ago
@caligulasparks Keep it short and simple:
Christianity is the answer
The name is Jesus!
HE IS ALIVE!
HE IS THE SON OF GOD!
Hans021220 1 year ago
I agree with u cause Jesus has risen to heaven!! N it is tha truth!!
stansa232 1 year ago
how do they know its jesus's tomb?
snupy209 1 year ago
this is a greek myth like all the rest......
mz2hot2nv 1 year ago
You guys don't get it. Jesus fought the system after an economic melt down of Rome. It enslaved the people. He fought for freedom. When he said he would come back in 2,000 years, he meant in your hearts. Fight like Jesus did. Fight for humanity. The worldwide corporate empire is about to collapse. Don't let them take your soul, fight! Freedom! PS Israelis have always been behind this.
mattyelle1 1 year ago
What in the heck was all that about?
miazcaor63 1 year ago
yeah if you could not mix up some historical relics, and maybe be less mysterious about your point.. i think you might have gotten your point across... but fail.
msniclynn 1 year ago
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msniclynn 1 year ago
lol
YaAllahuAkbar 1 year ago
they didn't used coffins. Haha.
sergiomarchelli 1 year ago
@sergiomarchelli the "coffin" shown is not actually a coffin but a ossuary. and they actually did use them. its used after a body's is first temporary grave to decompose, then after some years when it is just the skeletal remains, the remains are removed and placed in an ossuary.They are frequently used where burial space is scarce. and that picture wasnt even of the ossuary they thought was christ, that one is a child's ossuary found in what they believe is the jesus family tomb.
msniclynn 1 year ago
@msniclynn mostly this is speculation. There is no way to be proven. Also you can see the most common names from this period. You will find a lot of such tombs...
sergiomarchelli 1 year ago
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msniclynn 1 year ago
@sergiomarchelli- That's why i said "what they believe is the jesus family tomb." you are correct one will find a lot of such tombs in Israel, but its still not a coffin ;-) and the author of the video still mixed up the relics and made a very confusing video. agreed?
msniclynn 1 year ago
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msniclynn 1 year ago
I just have a question, but i actually want an answer. Why would we believe this is Jesus' coffin? You gave us a picture of two skeletons next to each other. You could've gotten this picture from photobucket for all we know. I just want to know what makes this believable. Once again to do want an answer please.
maryrose555 1 year ago
@maryrose555 the picture was actually from an excavation in Italy, 25 miles south of Verona. i did a paper on it in college and that is why i remember the picture. some believe it is the real life "romeo and Juliet" and from the way he put this video together, i think he are more concerned with the possibility of finding "romeo and Juliet" than of finding the remains of Christ. especially with the way he quote Shakespeare at the end there. Oh and the Coffin is actually and Ossuary of a child
msniclynn 1 year ago
oh yeah your stupid jesus is in heaven now fuck you all ,
don't you people have a brain , he is death DEATH, no heaven or no hell
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benjamin9047 1 year ago
jesus, the biggest lie EVER! best myth of all time!
Diaddy28 1 year ago
@Diaddy28 i am intrigued by this, is it his existences in total that you think is a myth or that he is a savior, or THE savior? however one likes it.
msniclynn 1 year ago
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Diaddy28 1 year ago
@msniclynn there is no real proof that "he" existed! The only so called evidence is a fairy tale book written by a bunch of dudes thousands of years ago telling us that he existed. Come on man..... Imaginary friends are for kids, thats all jesus is... grow out of it.
Diaddy28 1 year ago
@Diaddy28 sorry but i think it is the "Myth" part that got me, not believing he is the or a savior i understand, but that he never existed i don't. and i like historical discussions, what would you say to the existence of non-biblical/Christan historical evidence that a man name Jesus did exist and was crucified. such evidence including a first-century Roman historian Tacitus(Annals)., a Jewish historian Flavius Josephus(Antiquities), and The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin) to name a few.
msniclynn 1 year ago
Dorks
Sean8033 1 year ago
ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY,
I SWEAR THERE IS NO OTHER WAY,
GOD CANT HAVE A MOTHER CAN YOU NOT SEE? WHAT IS WRONG WHITH YOU? WORSHIP ONLY TRUTH GOD ALLAHc.c
JESUS p.b.u.h NEVER SAID IM GOD WORSHIP ME NEVER SHOW ME WHERE? ACCORDING TO, ACCORDING TO.
SHOW ME WHERE HE SAID IT? NO WERE.
REMEMBER YOU PROMISET.
AS IT IS YOUY ARE HEADING TO HELL. SEARCH . LISTEN AHMAD DEEDAT.
READ QUR AN , IM READING BIBLE. DO IT . IM NOT SAYING ANYTHING WRONG YOU KNOW IT.
faithandproof 1 year ago
@faithandproof
Islam IS a violent religion which should be banned worldwide from being practiced. Islam is the sole reason why little children are raped and murdered & forced to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up killing many other innocents!
gunmoon2 1 year ago
@gunmoon2 dude... from what i know/heard theres like two different kinds of islam... one is urs and one is mine :D
mine does not kill nor do suicide or what ever...
HAIKELzambri 1 year ago
@faithandproof as you asked... he never said we must worship him because a gift that is demanded is not a gift. but if you care to look in Luke 22: 66-70 you will read the answer to your question.
msniclynn 1 year ago
And let's not forget doubting Thomas who would not believe Jesus had risen from the dead unless he placed his hand and fingers in his side where the spear struck him and into the nail holes in his hands and feet.
Nikita4ever9000 1 year ago
Jesus physically went to heaven after he rose from the dead. So I don't care how many tombs they find with Yaweh on it. It is not Jesus, because he rose from the dead
Nikita4ever9000 1 year ago
since we have zero evidence that this jesus character ever existed we can be pretty sure its not his nor the easter bunny's coffin.
however some fibres from a red hat suggest it may have been the final resting container of santa claus.
BrooklynNotQueens 1 year ago
@BrooklynNotQueens If this is how you mock God. Youre gonna find Hell really interesting.
Nikita4ever9000 1 year ago
No,this is NOT Jesus coffin!Jesus is ALIVE!He rose up from the death and is alive FOR EVER!He is my Savior and Redeemer!
Hans021220 1 year ago 18
@Hans021220 you dumb shitface jesus is not god HE IS THE MESSENGER OF GOD get that straight you stupid retard. im so tired of your complaining go away
ProudtobeMuslim786 1 year ago
@ProudtobeMuslim786 I respect your opinion,but you hav absolutely no exuse too call people from another religion a stupid retard and a dumb shitface!!!
And when did I complain? I just said what I believe.
You go and google more about what your Koran says about talking bad about other peoples beliefe...If Islam is a religion of peace,you just do not behave like that with saying those bad words.
Hans021220 1 year ago
@Hans021220
THE SIN OF ONE PERSON WILL NOT BE THE SIN OF ALL THE PEOPLE.. so the sin of one muslim will not be the sin of all muslims and ISLAM... so if others made a mistake, dont judge them of what religion he/she has...
and F.Y.I. ...ISLAM is a RELIGION OF PEACE.. its the other people who follow it are not doing good...
let's consider our individuality and not focus on one person only..
WE MUSLIMS WERE TAUGHT TO BE HUMBLE AND STAY IN GOOD TERMS WITH THE DISBELIEVERS..
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM...
Zahara020806 8 months ago
@Zahara020806 i like your comment,,its nice you wrote.
zaheercy 7 months ago
@zaheercy
ASSALAAMUALAIKUM
Thanks..;-)
Zahara020806 7 months ago
@Zahara020806
There is only 1 Islam. The Qur'an teaches muslims to murder all non-believers, especially Jews and Christians, even when taught not to question the authority of People of the Book. Obviously it is not a "religion of peace".
Msunbird02 7 months ago
@Msunbird02 the verse you are referring to was a revelation during the war. Sura 2:191-193 and you will see that it was about opression, and Islam being supressed. You will also see that if the supression stops, they the supressors stop, then let them be for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.
The Quran inspire Violence, in fact if you read the Quran you will see that it a grave sin to commit murder.
Be guided. GBU.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Rubbish! It's a disservice to humankind that Islam cannot convince jihadis of your take. I've read the book for myself and know that earlier 'peaceful' verses are abrogated in favour of later more violent behaviours allegedly condoned by Muhammad's alter ego which he decided to name "Allah".
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 Allah is arabic word meaning God. Its universal not an alter ego of sort sir. I thank you for being openminded and reading the Quran and I hope you understand that Quran, as direct revelation from Allah (God), never inspire violence.
The question i think is what is the genesis of this problem we have now?for certainly it will not arise without any reason at all. I hope you noticed that it was about opression against Islam that Muslims have to defend themselves especially Islam.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Correction: Allah is an Arabic word meaning "a god" as in any deity which doesn't imply monotheism. Qur'an (29:61 & 39:38) claims pre-Islamic Arabs believed in Allah as a god who was superior to the other gods idolised at the Ka'aba. In Hebrew "el" was the word for god - lower case g - as in idols. Elohiym was used to convey "God" with a capital "G." In Arabic, "el" became "il". Arabs derived a secondary word for god, "ilah" with "al" being the Arabic word for "the".
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 Al in Arabic means The. and i dont where did you get your information but certainly they are wrong. 29:61 If indeed thou ask them who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law), they will certainly reply, "Allah". How are they then deluded away (from the truth)? THIS IS WHAT YOU QUOTE ME.
Quran recognizes Injeel & Torah but not d present Bible that compile both bc they are man made. (God's revelation has no contradictions as the bible has)
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz Cont ...
lol More taqiyya! Jesus and Christianity were 'born' long before Isa and Islam were invented by Muhammad who recognised the authenticity of both Judeo-Christian scriptures. Can you explain who allegedly altered those texts and when pls? No, I didn't think so b/c Islamic scholars agree they're NOT changed. At last count, there are 71 contradictions in the Qur'an which is definitely not from any god.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 Islam doesnt deny the Jesus. IT AFFIRMS HIS BEING THE MESSIAH. however not his divinity.please send to me the links of your so called COTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN. meantime youR Bible dont you KNOW has TOO MUCH CONTRADICTIONS? INCEST in the BIBLE. STONING in the BIBLE. VIOLENCE in the BIBLE. and PORNOGRAPHY in the BIBLE (EZEKIEL 23)
council of nicea in 325A.D. led by constantine who was a pagan. dec 25 presented to him as Jesus birth and IT WAS A PAGAN'S BIG FEAST...
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Qur'an contradictions = /watch?v=i0I7jWTyJTQ; /watch?v=6ccJRj5IhpA; /watch?v=Tp5pSUZncZ0; /watch?v=OssZE_1AjR8
Bible cleared = /watch?v=bhz-TpnYEEc; /watch?v=-81BXEJGSkE; /watch?v=UKKNtClOhvM
Judaeo-Xtianity is based only on the 10 Commandments. Constantine converted to Christianity. The council didn't select verses for inclusion in the Bible. It decided upon a date for Easter not Christmas.
w w w . christian-history . org/council-of-nicea-canons.html
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@fiyourz Cont ...
Islam denies the divinity and crucifixion of Jesus which means Isa is NOT the Christian Jesus. This proves that Muhammad belied his own edict of acknowledging authenticity of Judeo-Xtian scripture and authority of People of the Book. This exposes his desire to create a cult purely for his own benefit. Having no witnesses to his alleged visitations disqualifies his self-proclaimed prophethood also contradicting (authenticated) scripture. He also confessed to his fraudulence ....
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@fiyourz
In "History of Al Tabari" Volume 6 Ch 111, Muhammad is quoted as stating:
"I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken."
Iow, he admitted he lied which contradicts the 9th Commandment.
Msunbird02 6 months ago 4
@Msunbird02 YOU ARE DESPERATE! (forgive my manners but you are out of your mind.) YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR..WHEN HE WAS BEING PRESSURED BY THE PAGAN ARABS, A LOT OF HARDSHIP AND PAIN HE HAD MET BUT HE DID NOT TAKE BACK HIS WORDS AND CLAIM THAT HE WAS A PROPHET AND THEN YOU MAKE UP THIS WORDS? If you don't believe in Muhammad being a prophet, at least have a conscience and DO NOT LIE. Your God will still judge you by every impossible word you utter. GOD FORGIVE YOU.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
If you don't believe what I've just told you, use the reference to check it out for yourself before calling anyone a liar in a public forum. Muhammad was a failure at peaceful preaching so then he resorted to terrorising others to submit to his own will (not any god's). It's a historical fact. Btw, did you read the canons from the Council of Nicea yet?
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 this is desperation! he didnt fail... and if you are reading or listening to a book or a particular person that thing/person is so partial. The fact that you thought ALLAH to be "a god" is a clear point that you got a wrong side of the story. In Arabic language AL means THE and ILAH means God ALLAH = THE GOD. definite and universal.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Anyone who has to resort to violence to force people to submit to his way of thinking is a failure. Btw, a translator of Tabari added a footnote stating "The name Allah has been translated as 'God.' which doesn't necessarily mean "God" in a monotheistic sense. Perhaps you should take your issue up with Tabari instead.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 I see. I understand that Tabari said that Allah does not denote monotheistic sense YOU IMMEDIATELY BELIEVED. you see you have to gather further evidence/proof. Again, in Arabic language Allah is definite & singular whch by the way means THE GOD so it is a universal calling. Muslims do not believe in any god but THE GOD (in Arabic ALLAH)
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
Sura 112:1-4
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Wrong. My other reference sources are academically sound. According to all Muslim records, the Quran was composed entirely by Muhammad who attributed it to an angel who allegedly inspired it to him. So, the Qur'an is obviously NOT the literal word of any god given directly to Muhammad. You're only doing what you've been brainwashed to do ... carry a (falsified) holy book in one hand and guns, grenades or swords with the other. These manifestations are symptoms of a disease.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 now you are wrong. you see you only see what media would want you to see, what propaganda wants you to see. no such thing as carry a gun or kill or whatever that may bring impediment to other people that is clearly stated in Quran in fact, we are commanded not to look at anyone as inferior or superior to us as we are all human beings. We look up to Muhammad because he is the last prophet of God (Allah) to us, mankind. but still he is human equal to us.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
No I am not wrong. What you're saying is PROVING that the Qur'an is based on contradiction. Muhammad was no prophet b/c he left no prophecy. All his attempts at prophecy were only ever given AFTER events had occurred and without witnesses.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 really now? I dont think you understand Islam at all. ISLAM IS ABOUT EQUALITY. AND BELIEVE IN ONE GOD
The Quran is a revelation from Allah. Studies show that science discoveries accurately conform with how it was detailed in the Holy Quran. you can check them here in youtube, from scientist who testified to it, but of course you would deny this bc of ONE SUCH REASON: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ISLAM.
fiyourz 6 months ago
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Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 now I see where you are coming from. The religion of pre-islamic pagan arabs must not be confused with Islam. You see, Abraham and his son ishmael built the Ka'aba as a place of worship (Sura 2:125 please refer to it) then time goes on that in Mecca, pagans outnumbered Muslims and then they were able to take over the Ka'aba & placed their idols in it..then the coming of Muhammad S.A.W. brought it back to its original purpose as a place of worship for monotheistic religion
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Again, you're mistaken and only parotting what's in the Qur'an. In reality, there's no evidence what so ever that either Abraham or Ishmael ever visited Makkah. The fact is that the ka'aba was built by pagans in pre-Islamic times to house their idols.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 Genesis 21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran; and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.
This is when Sarah bore Isaac and she asked Abraham to cast out this bondwoman and his son (genesis 10)
Associated with Mount Sinai in Egypt, there is some evidence that it may originally have referred to the southern portion of the Arabian peninsula.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
No. Ishmael settled in Egypt. There is no reference to Arabia.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 The Quran is the sole words of God (Allah). It is not a story told by Muhammad, nor any of Muhammad's words could be found in the Quran. IT IS THE SOLE WORDS OF GOD (ALLAH)
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
No it isn't. Quranic experts attribute the Qur'an in its form today to post-7th Century alterations. Caliph Uthman ordered everyone to turn in their Qur’an and he then issued a "standardized" version. Earliest versions didn’t have vowels / diacritical dots but now different versions (not translations) are different in basic letters and have diacritical dots and vowels that change word meanings and whole sentences. It wasn't finalised until 932CE, 300 years after Muhammad's death.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 There is really this Osmanic Quran. and it was taken cared of in his time. The very fact that you call Osman to be Uthman is a very clear point that you as well do not know how to correctly pronounce Arabic.. and you know just a single difference like a vowel in Arabic would mean different. For instance, Kalb and Qalb, one means dog, the other means heart. AND THERE WERE HAFIZ, one who memorize the Holy Quran, AND THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WRONG VERSION SO IT HAS TO BE TAKEN CARED OF
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
There you go again ... you've proven the no 'vowel' problem for yourself.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 The original Quran has no vowels that is right and I am not disproving them. I hope you notice that I wrote vowel but the example I gave: kalb and qalb is not a difference bet. vowels but of consonants.
AGAIN, HAFIZes KNEW THE QURAN BY HEART AND SO THEY KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE THEM, THEN BACAUSE OF THE MUTIALATION VOWELS WERE ADDED FOR LAYMEN TO UNDERSTAND AND BE ABLE TO PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
People are human; their memories are fallible and they forget or misrepresent things as did the memorizers. The fact that some versions of the book contain more surahs than others of itself proves that the Qur'an has been changed irrespective of vowels and pronunciation.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 i AGREE. THAT IS WHY THE THE PEOPLE WHO MEMORIZE THE HOLY QURAN PASSED IT IMMEDIATELY TO ANY ONE WHO WOULD WANT TO BECOME A HAFIZ..THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT SUCH AS HE MUST BE HIS SON, OR AN INTELLIGENT MAN OR WHAT NOT..and no sir. Quran has only 114 suras NO MORE, NO LESS.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz Now let's talk about Christianity. first and i hope you are aware that Jesus is one of the mightiest messenger of Allah as we Muslims believe, he is the messiah, he heal the blind, lepers and bring back dead to life BY GOD'S PERMISSION and supported by the BIble (John 5:30, john 14:28 and he's prayer bEfore calling Lazarus to life)
DO YOU KNOW THAT JESUS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD?NEVER SAID WORSHIP ME IN THE BIBLE?THEN HOW COME YOU ARE WORSHIPPING HIM?
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Firstly, my religion, if any, isn't relevant to this discussion. This video might answer your questions about Christianity.
/watch?v=m2a48i3TAas&feature=feedu
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 The Holy Bible even confirms, and Jesus is saying THAT IS HE SENT (MESSENGER) not God but Son of God. "As many as are led by the spirit of God, are the sons of God. "Romans 8:14 "Peace Be With You (Assalamu Alaikom in Arabic) As father has SENT me, I am sending you. " John 20:21 "...the one who is sent is not greater than the one who sent him. "John 13:16
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
"Son of G-d" and "sons of G-d" are different concepts altogether. One is literal and the other is metaphoric. Muhammad plagiarised the "peace be with you" phrase and told people it was an Islamic phrase b/c it was written in Arabic. lol
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 The dffernce is snglar and plural. ITS NOT PLAGIARISING. THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOD, He is the Father(metaphorical) in heaven. "Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9). SO JESUS CANCELED OUT THE POSIBILITY OF HIS BEING GOD as you said HE IS GOD INCARNATE ON EARTH. "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."John 5:30
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
I see your point but apart from the singular v plural issue, the English language can also be interpreted in alternative senses and contexts. I'm sure you realise that.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 I AGREE. WHY NOT EXPLAIN ITS ALTERNATIVE AND CONTEXT SENSE? I'm telling you when Jesus said son of God, he means RIGHTLY PERSON, GODLY PERSON. He uses fables to explain things, speaks in idiomatic way. HE IS USING METAPHORS. 2Cor.4:4 "The devil is the God of this world." Check JOHN 10:34 and he called the Jews gods. ARE THEY GODS? SIR IF THE BIBLE IS FROM GOD IT IS TELLING YOU THAT JESUS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD. Also check Job 25:4-6 ITS A QUALIFication OF WHAT GOD IS NOT.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
J doesn't mean what you think b/c his birth was foretold in Isaiah 9:6;7:14. 700 years earlier.
"For unto us a CHILD is BORN a SON is given: (prophetic perfect verb), and the government shall be upon HIS shoulder: and HIS name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace..... Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with CHILD and will give BIRTH to a SON, and will call Him Immanuel (God Is With Us)."
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 We believe that Jesus is born by Mary by virgin birth. It is in the Quran - Surah Mariam(Mary) Chapter 19:16-21. again sir consider what you said about alternative and context sense, Jesus calling the jews gods in John 10:34 AGAIN THEY ARE NOT GOD, ITS METAPHORICAL. ALSO IN EXODUS 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. IS MOSES GOD?its metaphorical, its not the literal sense of it. JESUS IS THE MESSIAH
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Of course these references are strictly metaphorical. It's clear you're choosing to be selective in acknowledging ALL the metaphors and disregarding the biological genealogy of Jesus compared to yours or mine. That's where the Muslim complaint fails at tripping Christians up ;)
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 I do agee with your point that the Bible is metaphorical in content. It is not complaining but trying bridge the gap. We believe in one God, Islam and Christianity, but somewhere along the road, differences took place
Quran 4:171 O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
As you know, it's impossible to "bridge the gap" between Islam and any other belief system b/c of it's dominance tenet thanks to Muhammad who created the differences to suit his own ends. You needn't bother quoting the Qur'an to me.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 I am not a conspiracy theorist but I believe some people are working under the table to destroy the good reputation of ISLAM. 15-20 years ago, there is no Muslims are terrorists propaganda. ISLAM is hailed the fastest religion in the world, but fortunately NUMBERS OF MUSLIMS, AND BECOMING MUSLIMS GROW BY AT LEAST 20%EVERY YEAR EVEN IN THIS "TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS" TIMES. Why? BC ISLAM IS PEACEFUL,AND ARE WITNESSED BY THE MUSLIMS but OTHERS DO NOT SEE IT B/C THEY DONT WANT TO.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz Mate, it isn't a conspiracy theory ... it's all there in Islamic texts. Mo literally divided humanity in 2 parts with perpetual wars: Dar al Harb and Dar al Islam. Post WW2 muslim terrorism has been on the world stage since the 1960-70s. Islam is NOT the fastest growing religion at all.
Growth occurs by Birth, Conversion and New adherents.
Christianity: B = 22,708,799 + C = 2,501,396 + N = 25,210,195
Islam: B = 21,723,118 + C = 865,558 + N = 22,588,676
(Source: Enc. Britannica 2005).
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Muhammadans have murdered 270 million people in 1400 years courtesy of Qur'an 9:5, 9:14,9:29, 9:123, 8:12, 8:39, 8:55, 5:60, 5:64, 5:82, 4:76, 4:90, 4:145, 3:111, 2:98, 2:193, 24:101 ... but hey, "no muslim should be killed for killing a kafir." (Bukhari 9.50) You know as well as I do that peace is impossible for muslims. If not, I suggest you open today's newspaper or start watching a 6 pm News bulletin on any day of the week.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 If we are going to talk about past, look at what Christianity had done in trying to make people believe in your religion. There even existed the killings of the same Christians, its just because of a different denomination. (e.g. Bloody Mary reign), The burning of witches/women?heretics? Ivan the terrible's devotion and its effect - its their personal actions but they did it bec of too much belief you say?guess what? even Pope's had done bad things as well. THEY ARE CHRISTIANS.
fiyourz 5 months ago
@fiyourz
I haven't tried to vindicate anything by using historical facts. You're right, I am close minded about Islam to spare myself from infection from Mo's disease. You think Mo was one of the most peaceful men on earth and dare to call me close minded? You surely are infected by the poison.
Msunbird02 5 months ago
@Msunbird02 OKAY! :) I am closeminded. NO ONE CAN CHANGE OTHER PERSON, ONLY THEMSELVES. I also see that you are reading, reseaching, and trying to understand. I hope you will UNDERSTAND, see, it soon. I thank you for the conversation. I learned, and I hope you also did. But I have to stop from here. I RESPECT YOUR VIEWS, BUT MUHAMMAD IS NEVER VIOLENT ACC. TO THE MESSAGE PASSED ON TO US SINCE WE WERE KIDS, AND ACC. TO MY OWN RESEARCHES.
fiyourz 5 months ago
@fiyourz
I know you're obligated to try to brainwash unbelievers into the cult but you won't score hasanat points from me. Understand that in reality, Mo was 1 of THE most violent people that ever lived with a body count of > 270 million and rising daily which proves the truth of my point. Thanks for respecting my views but I regret not being able to return the compliment b/c you now know you've been deceived with taqiyya since you were a kid. Do some independent research, ok? Take care.
Msunbird02 5 months ago
@Msunbird02 this compels me to share: try to check YUSUF ESTES, he was a pastor and now a Muslim - just for knowing his point what made him convert and become "brainwashed".
HERE IN YOUTUBE. Also check, the view of Jews on Mary's virgin birth...I will not further on explaining it, I might have misunderstood it so its better that you hear it yourself.
AND YES I WILL CONTINUE MY READING AND BTW, IT IS INDEPENDENT RESEARCH THAT I DO. Thanks.
fiyourz 5 months ago
@fiyourz
I know that Mr Estes has fallen for the unchanged Qur'an lie. I've proven that it definitely has and I hope you'll into that - Uthman started that. Jews can believe whatever they want which doesn't mean their beliefs are inviolate. There are Messianic Jews and many Orthodox who secretly believe.
Pls watch this explanation: /watch?v=eATJ4PRXEJk
Also watch Ron Wyatt: /watch?v=J8PnYNDCH54&feature=channel_video_title
The Ark of the Covenant has been found with Jesus haploid blood on it.
Msunbird02 5 months ago
@fiyourz Cont ...
Please be reminded that this is the 21st century and Christians do not go around killing each other over doctrinal differences. Papal actions were what caused the Reformation that resulted in Protestantism until the the Treaty of Westphalia ended it in 1648 - > 300 years ago but muslims are still at it well and truly. Doesn't that tell you there's something seriously amiss with Islam?
Msunbird02 5 months ago
@Msunbird02 you think that christians doing so much brutal murders in past doesnt matter now in that case muslims should torture for 600years more to be level with you since it started 600years after xtians . church has been most evil brutal regime for centuries you dont mention that xtianity something seriously amiss with it centuries ago
sajakram1 3 months ago
@fiyourz do alittle bit more research on history nd you will find the truth. All these lies about christians burning/women is not true . dont believe in things you hear or read from someone who is anti christian. actually do some research. real reseearch
realacm10018 5 months ago
@Msunbird02 QURAN DEMANDS GOOD ACTIONS TOWARDS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS..whether you believe this or not. And do read in context and you will understand YOUR SO CALLED VIOLENCE IN THE QURAN.
YOU SEE HOW VIOLENT CHRISTIANS COULD BE? Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13 I WOULD HAZARD A GUESS THAT THIS VERSE MUST HAVE BEEN A LAW BEFORE.
fiyourz 5 months ago
@fiyourz
You better remind all those blossoming jihadis out there that they got it wrong somehow.
Msunbird02 5 months ago
@fiyourz before they were picking on the nazi now muslims they will pick on some1 else next. these creatures are going hell so this is how they act to others,1 theyll lose human bodies then 2lose their human minds inhell 3 they wont remember there is an outside of hell these non humans will then suffer like this forever , not knowing anything more than whats inside hell these creatures wont even remember being human eventually let alone there human worshipping bullshit lose ther own humanity
sajakram1 3 months ago
@Msunbird02 cont.
Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Poor Muhammad couldn't deal with the Trinity so he invented his own ideology.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@fiyourz Cont ...
I know Jesus isn't G-d but rather the Son of G-d, literally as foretold in Isaiah. Christians and Jews don't refer to Jesus as G-d (the Father). Where did you get that wrong idea from?
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 RIGHT! AND WE ALL ARE THE SONS OF GOD. CHECK MATTHEW, AND JESUS IS EVEN SAYING OUR FATHER, YOUR FATHER... MATTHEW 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. CLEARLY JESUS IS SPEAKING HERE AND CONFIRMING THAT THE GOD IN HEAVEN IS THE FATHER OF EVERYBODY. 13 TIMES HE ADDRESSED THE GOD AS OUR FATHER, OR YOUR FATHER.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
No, J was the biological Son of G-d (allegedly) b/c G-d was literally Jesus's father; we are metaphorical 'sons of G-d' with different biological human fathers. When referring to the rest of us being 'sons of G-d, J is speaking metaphorically only, not literally.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 jesus said blessed are the meek he never mentioned it was from psalms he never gave the credit so he is the one who plaigerised , muhammed said sumat from psalms but he said its in psalms he gave the credit so jesus is the one who stole plaigerised not muhammed so blame bible for saying this
sajakram1 3 months ago
@fiyourz
I think you'll find that there are those who've memorize 2 more surahs than others b/c of the differences between versions. There is no doubt that the Qur'an has been changed and that different versions do exist in different parts of the world.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 no sir. THE HOLY QURAN HAS 114 SURAHS ONLY. IT COULD BE A DISCUSSION UP UNTIL TODAY IF ITS TRUE THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO MORE SURAHS IN THE HOLY QURAN, FORTUNATELY NONE. HAFIZ THESE PEOPLE WHO MEMORIZE THE HOLY QURAN ARE NOT ONLY ARABS BUTANYBODY..FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD.
WHY IS IT HARD TO ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION?
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
lol I've told you a known fact but always find it laughable when Muslims refuse to accept Islamic proof of the taqiyya spread by their own mullahs and imams.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 Islam is not a poduct of arabian taqiyya.or where there any to be concealed or what. DON'T YOU THINK IT STRANGE THAT PEOPLE SEE THE FAULT OF A SINGLE PERSON AND ASSOCIATE IT WITH ISLAM WHILE A GOOD WORK OF AN INDIVIDUAL MUSLIM OR GROUPS WERE IGNORED?
What if the same judgment is passed on to Chistianity? But we don't because its not proper. JESUS SAID YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.
Muslims pray 5x a day, give charity, abolish racism, observe ummah-brotherhood...et cetera
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Well, Islam is the fault of only 1 person - Muhammad. Actually, Muslims are instructed to hold the same judgement on Christianity and Judaism; ie kill all believers .... yet their scripture doesn't insist on the same treatment of Muslims. To Muslims, all non-Muslims are racist and the ummah is a myth, considering that muslims are still busy blowing each other up every day.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO SEE IT. THERE ARE ALOT PLACES IN EARTH WHERE WEALTHY MUSLIMS TAKE CARE OF WEARY PEOPLE THAT INCLUDE CHRISTIANS, JEWS, AND ANY TYPES. try observing MUSLIMS w/o judgment and you will see.
there are blacK sheeps in Islam as do in other things bec we are all human beings, imperfect we all are THAT IS WHY JESUS EVEN SAID YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. Hitler,Caligula, Ivan the Terrible, etc. are DEVOTED CHRISTIANS AND THEY ARE MOST EVIL MEN OF HISTORY
fiyourz 6 months ago
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Msunbird02 6 months ago
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@fiyourz
Jihadis are NOT "black sheep". They're doing what Muhammad and the Qur'an have made obligatory for them to do. If jihad was not ordered, it's highly unlikely that the behaviour would be permissible. Hitler et al may have been Christians but they acted on their own personal and political agendas only and would've known that killing / murder is forbidden by the 6th Commandment. That's the very big difference.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 Again sir, JIHAD means struggle/strife. We go back to 2:191-193 and you will understand the JIHAD as Holy War only when ISLAM is under attack, being suppressed. ITS A FORM OF DEFENSE but ALLAH says stop when they stop for ALLAH is oft-forgiving, most merciful. THE QURAN ALSO HIGHLIGHTED KILLING AS A GRAVE SIN.We condemn TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM but the problem is that MUSLIMS were not given the chance to let the people know about it by the MEDIA and focus more on PARTIALITY.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Jihad is ONLY about violence. Islam isn't under attack or suppression by anyone. Hence, there's nothing else to explain. You can't "condemn terrorists and terrorism" b/c the Qur'an makes it obligatory. You don't see Christians killing Hindus killing Buddhists in the 21st century.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 How many innocent Muslims died and are still going to die in Afghanistan and Iraq and Palestine? You say because THE ORDER WAS TO TAKE DOWN THE SO CALLED TERRORISM AND THE LIVES OF THESE INNOCENT MUSLIMS WERE UNACCOUNTED FOR? GOOD AS ASACRIFICE? What you are saying is that because the government decreed THE CLEANING then there is impunity?Unfortunately NO.
The invasion of Iraq was of a sole reason, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Where are these WMD when they succeed in Iraq?None.
fiyourz 6 months ago
@fiyourz
Innocent muslims are being killed in Afghanistan / Iraq / (mythical) "Palestine" b/c the Taliban and corrupt muslim dictators can't help themselves doing genocide to their own "brothers". Read up about Hussein's war crimes some time.
Msunbird02 6 months ago
@Msunbird02 You shocked me by trying to vindicate the killings. What?because there is genocide in the place its alright to have innocent muslims killed?Killing is killing, & its immoral. I have read Saddam Husseins's biography & things about him.
I have to end my discussion with you, my only point was to try to let you see good things about Islam but you seem to be close minded, and I can't do anything about it. AT LEAST FOR US MUSLIMS WE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD WAS ONE OF THE PEACEFUL MAN ON EARTH
fiyourz 5 months ago
@Msunbird02 are you an idiot its refering to the unbelievers that were torturing and murdering muslims in muhammed time saying defend yourselves not anty unbeliever either your just lying or your truly an imbecile to not know this
sajakram1 3 months ago
@Msunbird02 So what is good is that Quran could never be altered or changed because there are people that make it their mission to memorize the Holy Quran by their hearts and any slight changes could be detected and corrected.
TRUE THAT QURAN HAS NO VOWELS BEFORE BUT AGAIN HAFIZes KNOW THE QURAN BY HEART. the vowel was for us who don't speak arabic for us to easily grasp the word once we try to study Arabic. Muhammad heard the revelation, conveyed it to others then later put into writing
fiyourz 6 months ago