Well, what can I say. Really pushing the boundaries. I remember the fuss when medleys moved away from "traditional" changeovers from different timings using what could be called "untraditional" links. But now it's the norm to have these varied changes and links. I like to think of myself as open to change and I have to say that the "dinosaurs" 'aint gonna like it. I'd like to have a peek at the judges sheets to see what they made of it. What you are up against is a lot of them won't understand.
just a heads up variations hasn't been played in comp since 2006.....and you still comment? please listen to newer medleys, such as Peal's newest creation. Ontario bands in general are pushing for a new age of pipe bands just as tyler fry revolutionized tenor drumming and the view of a midsection, or like Alex Duthart in his time, if you think that players such as tyler fry (lead tenor of Shotts) and Alex Duthart (Lead drummer for Shotts a while back) are bad then idk what your thinking
superior in Innovation, and strong play, tight, the hard work clearly shows. too bad some cannot appreaciate the fantastic sound. I really enjoy listening. I find it easy to follow, and it consumes my senses....Great Band. Great writing. If others can't do better, they should keep their criticisms to themselves. Or maybe they (whoever they are) should get a better CPU
Well my friend, opinions do count in the World. I agree the Drum Corps was excellent, the pipes were well tuned and the execution was fine, however, many including myself do Not find the medley at all musical, and rather boring. Oh by the way, I happen to play with a pretty good band myself, happens to be the Worlds Champions, just in case you were wondering
From a much lesser piper than yourself, I have to agree. Not a whole lot of music going on here. I've heard exercises more pleasing. I'm amazed a grade 1 band would play this at a competition.
Hats off to the creativity and the hard work put into this performance there is an abundance of talent in this band. But for me this show was not my cup of tea it got to be monotonous and repetitious. It was hard to follow and absorb for me, I do recognize the efforts and the talent required to put this type of show together just not to my liking.
Love the added dog bark at 7:54!! Nice change of pace for a change. In fact, it's just nice to change! Next part... How 'bout a key change? Need to come up with a switchable drone key. Any brave takers? Small snares are much more practical for high pitch tuning.
Gnosticman00... do you know whos in the crowd wh watch pipe band competitions??? ppl who have know idea about piping, OR the ppl who get cut and have to sit out and watch. ppl will cheer for anything differrent. all the ppl who know anything about playing are in the competition. crowds cheer for stuart liddell when he does crazy shit thats different. people cheer just cuz they never heard it.
THe PPBSO Rules state that a band is not req'd to begin performance at the Line & may assume their final position B 4 starting the Contest. Ya cant play at the Line w/o marching in! Band s/h been DQ'd.
I think it would be interesting to hear this medley at the worlds sometime. I prefer the more traditional medleys to this, but things change all the time. I can't think I've ever heard the crowd cheering at the start, in the middle and so much at the end of a medley before either so there must be something about it that sounds good to the ear. I don't know.......too much thinking!............
lol in the end we all know that none of our opinions matter in the piping world unless we are qualified and certified judges....but go ahead. argue. its fun to watch :P
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I have the taste to know they are nowhere near the class of St Laurence O'Toole and Field Marshall Montgomery of my own country. I didn't see Toronto Police even coming close to qualifying for the World Championships so you and the crowd must have been tone deaf!
That sounds like a typical 15 year old response, but intensified with a bit of ego and snobbery. It sounds like you're trying to side with the 'purists' of the piping community for whatever motive. Whereas traditional medleys are good, change in nothing bad. Do the research, and you'll see that Toronto's band is considered world class. Do them some justice, and stay away from the "ummph, they're not the queen's pipes, therefore they're adulterated" atttitude. But it could just be your age.
Well, its a departure from the ubiquitous hornpipe opener, jigs, slow air, strathspeys, reelpipe thingy template. I applaud the detour. Seems TPPB are having a go while everyone else is all being 'different' together in the one channel. This is at least a lot more radical than doing an about face in the circle like Shotts did - yawn!
The music is a wee bit off my map in terms of taste but the ensemble is great, so maybe in a band context it does actually work. Keep it going people!
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the detour????....the detour is....they aint got a clue about setting sound the wildest thingd was the high g...at least shotts have a corps and ensemble...do u know what that means riccardo???
Yes, thanks TARTANSPAM. I do know what ensemble is. I also know what it feels like to hold the worlds trophy aloft, but thanks for your valuable and constructive input.
Anyone want to take bets on which band puts AC/DC's (via Duncan Gordon) "Thunderstruck" into their medley first? There was a point somewhere after the 7 minute mark when I thought they were headed that way. Very interesting idea. I just have to question whether it's really a "medley". I'm glad they tried it though. Certainly opens the floodgates of what is "acceptable".
I was staying after school one day, and I had a couple of students taking tests while I was listening to this. They were just mezmorized and said that it sent chills up and down their spines. They just looked up, wide-eyed, and couldn't believe that bagpipes could sound that great!
Some of the vitriol this medley got amuses me no end. Alex Duthart saw this coming thirty years ago. An entire generation has come and gone in that time, and his vision is only now starting to be realised.
i think the famous line that eric morecambe once said to ernie wise could be applied here...im playin all the right notes but not necisarrily in the right right order...or is it all the wrong notes in the wrong order..i dont know..sounds like a really bad pibroch...written by someone on acid..or an ego trip
a new concept for a pipe band .. obviously influenced by mid eastern culture ... think probably ... She ite ! .... well done the dog ... the only good " ruff" .. . Hot Dog !
I think it is a lovely piece of artistic shit.Shut up scot the drummer..what would you know?I take it you're a drummer?learn an instrument you piece of ass crap!!
That was very low of you, think before you speak, and maybe try strapping on a snare and giving it a whirl too. Then come back and tell us the results.
As a contemporary composer for the pipes and bands, I consider this composer to be fucking brilliant. I understand why this stuff scares, maybe even offends some of you, but this performance improved my life, and has given me excellent ideas, albeit more traditional, for my band this year (GREIGHLAN CROSSING, BC CANADA)
How can you say terrible when people wrote all those different tunes. I don't see you people writing tunes. Were born to the understanding that a medley is a bunch of different tunes and an MSR is the standard stuff. Toronto stepped it up this year by showing that a medley doesn't always have to have a jig, slow air, hornpipe, reel etc. They wanted to prove a point, same thing when shotts turned toward the crowd this year at the worlds, their trying to break the barrier of what a medley is.
A medley is a handfull of tunes being played one after another. This is just one tune I believe. So it doesn't not count as a medley. Im not saying the tune is bad though.
It looks like people either love it or hate it. It's certainly umm... different. A little long, tho. Gets kinda tedious with all the repetition. So many tempo changes, it's hard to follow. Courageous choice. I don't think I'd have tried it, but it seems to be working for them.
Most innovative and creative medley i've heard to date, and for all you old traditional conservative pipers, go play scotland the brave and other trad. crap ^_^
grade one my arse! these guys would get lauged off the park at a major...I promote trying something different but a stand still concert piece with so many harmonies is not the answer.
Could someone please tell me the name of the tune to which the band marched in (up to the chalk line) before starting its medley? I am more or less a novice when it comes to Scots music, but I really like it.
just because its not one of the "top" grade ! bands doesnt mean it shouldnt get props for doing something new
now I completly agree that there are things that shouldnt be done and things that are ok to try, and this, in no ways, falls into the category of things to never do.
I dont want an explanation of how it SHOULD BE, but why this is bad
I still love traditional style and wouldnt want to do anything like this if it sounded bad, and it didnt so....
I mean imagine being in that with the crowd cheering half way into it, now yes if something a little boring then just give it a small change and it would still be great
well I understand that argument, but like I said, do you think that (giving them sme time to work on it) this could just be like the "first try" of his kind of medley and that once musicians start thinking about, this will be the "father of a new type of medley? do you understand that?
its just with most things the new ideas are criticized at first but give it some time
Yes, I understand. Perhaps after experimenting with this a little bit, it might turn into something nice. Maybe more bands will try something similar in the future. I don't know. We'll see.
man jsut shut up already, at least piperjosh3190 understood the argument, your just coming on here ranting, "o this is stupid."
Quit being immature. Try taking the ideas brought into here and coming up with even greater ones, instead of dissing it right of the bat.
No i wouldnt expect SFU to do something like this but i wouldnt be suprised to see them use ideas from this medley which is a big compliment to Toronto police.
I never understood why people would ever dis good music
Okay I can arguably hear every component needed for a medley except the strathspey. Can someone fill me in. As well, I am in favour of chordal expansion and tempo manipulation in competition, but lets remember that the competition category is a medley.
lots of different opinions in here which is cool. this vid from a 3 band G1 contest in Canada has about 10,000 more views then the medley vids from the RSPBA 'majors". kinda funny if you think about it.
slight mistake at 4:50/4:51. it took a couple listens to but i like this medley alot. runs up to high G? high A mabye, and agreed thats a little hokey but its cool that pipe bands are trying new things. best part in the medley is when they speed up at 6:35, amazing i still get chills every time they hit that part.
After a few listens it has grown on me, but I still don't enjoy it as much as I do a medley with more standard construction. And I really dislike the runs up to high G.
Incredible playing...on all sides. But...Imagine how perfect it would look if everyone (sides, bass) quit bouncing around? I guess it helps keep rhythm...or whatever. But it isn't necessary...any thoughts people?
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gr8 sound, but they'd never qualify for the worlds with that garbage "medley", that was an ego stroke, i would of given em ZERO, around the board...it sounds nice, but how do they expect to get taken seriously with that kind of repertoire in the circle, marching on to the green i Glasgow is a Religious experience
VERY interesting. I like the idea behind this piece. My only issue is that it's harmonically static. Sure there's lots of notes going around, but they're really only outlining two chords. I'd love to try my hand at something like this, having had a mostly jazz education. I think the potential for really strong and powerful melody enriched by more complex harmony is there, needs to be explored.
Yeah I agree with Shablabar...how the hell are they supposed to judge this!?! Well the 23rd part was a bit rushed? and nice "intro"?, a "liiiitle" over use and untidyness of taorluath but it was covered by the other 5 notes playing at the same time? Lol it's going to be a pretty funny judges sheet! I rekon it's good that they done something different but this sounds well...like nothing but people tuning up. Kudos to the guys remembering it though. Atleast make it sound like it's going somewhere?
well its a nice idea; well arranged & presented - but better placed on the concert stage than in the contest arena. just think how much more effect could be gained with a complimentary stage lighting programme. credit to those that have arranged the piping and drumming but i don't see it catching on especially over in the UK how did the judges possibly mark the introduction?
I spoke with Reay Mackay( One of the piping judges)He said he had no idea how to judge it and gave them 3rd in piping (out of three) and said play in concert.
its fucking retarded as everyone says in almost every single comment there is no music its just harmonies nothing else, judging well how the hell do you do that you can only do drones and thats it you cant do chanters again because its all stupid harmonies this is strictly concert stuff thats why its a SUITE god damnit....someone hear me out please because no one else pretty much understand
dude you dont even know what your talking about i bet you dont even play pipes and you think you know everything because we are on youtube and just because you think it sounds cool yours like "OMG that was fucking amazing!!!" theres more to it you just dont understand
he may not, but i know something about it! And it is a good piece of music, granted it's different.. but so was shotts turn out.. no-one has critisized it so bad... so why pick on this?
Doesn't sound like anything to me. How can judges tell anything about unison when it seems everyone in the band is playing something different? Drum scores sound very basic to me; granted I'm not a drummer and don't know such things, but it sounds like they're playing a lot of rudiment exercises and not actual scores.
Watching for probably the 30th time. I was thinking, I had an idea of what was coming that day.I knew this was going to be quite a step away from the norm, knowing this I watch prominate pipers and drummers faces trying to get a read on what was going through thier minds. People who had nothing good what so ever to say about it, were smiling from ear to ear!I think half the negative responces here are people scared to admit they loved it! Codo's to Ian K, big step out of his comfort zone.
hey i think this is a good piece just if u think of it as a comptition stand point you know that u cant just roll half the time and not play... i also want to say is how the frasers get best bass and drums at worlds but here in canada they one 1 best bass last year its just kind of wierd if u think about it
March on was fine, but then it was like standing on the edge of the competition field listening to a dozen pipers tuning whilst awaiting their call to the boards!
mikez2007 - in canada we have the creativity to try something new not play the same f'n tunes over and over again. thats being safe and boering at the same time. I can take all my worlds recordings that go back to 1987 and the scottish bands are mostly playing the same crap tunes year after year. Pushing the envelope of music is called imagination. Micheal Gray is a genius when it comes to writing pipe tunes.
personnally, i cant listen to more than a minute. how can someone judge this. i guess now a days in canada you play whatever the hell you want, including and jumble of torloath exercises with quad harmonies. i guess anyone can win if they blow tone and have a good cut off. ask anyone with real bagpipe experience, not random people who cheer in the middle of the shitty "medley".
WOW Toronto police wanted thois to happen they wanted to be noticed and it worked and everyone played into their hands by flaming them GJ R-tards this is the greatest thing to happen since Tyler Fry
Point I was trying to make was yes, the piping world definitely needs some kind of change of direction in terms of musical content. MSR and Medley in my opinion. I think the MSR is a good test to set bands apart in competition, but the material is not only repetitive year to year but from band to band in the same contest!!
All I'm saying is big balls from Toronto for trying....but what they played and the way it was executed was carnage,in my opinion. Thats based on expecting better from them
Have a read further down at a point that some wise fella wrote.
I think a lot of people are liking this purely from a "its different" POV.
If people actually like the content of this medley then fair play.....but its rediculous to just like it for the sake that its different and its revolutionized the piping world which has been "apparently" rubbish for the past 50 years.
I would love to see FMM and the likes get the syncopation of that WHOLE medley right once, let alone every time
I hope you aren't implying from my post that I think everything has been "rubbish" for the past 50 years. I just think its been the same. Its like saying that any particular artistic outlet reached its pinnacle in 1960 and we should just keep it the same rather than promote growth and advancement. And that isn't from just a piping POV.
If the entire highland scene was promoted to be more welcoming to outsiders we could have something similar to the britany bands or to DCI.
Great stuff! I am currently trying to get something together like this with my band for Grade IV so will be prepared for the negativity. I can't help but think of the Breton bands when I listen to this. Good work and thanks for trying it. Keep the faith!!
Cool way to start! Definately different. I think it would be better in a concert format though. My all-time favourite medley ever is still Shotts at the Worlds 2007 though! Now that was cutting edge!
that as to be the longest roll played in a medley lol
I like the new way of playing
and for th people who dont like it beause it breaks the traitional way of playing... its not like the traditional way of playing will stop right here, its just someting new, and it actually opens up the competition field to the judges and bands because now the judges cant just go "i think it should have been reel then jig" etc. because some bands might not even have a reel, or a jig ;)
Obviously, it could be more perfect from a technical standpoint, but doing some of that stuff as a band is really, really hard, so keep working on it, get it perfected and don't change a thing. From that perspective, not only has the establishment hurt piping from a musical standpoint, but also from a technical standpoint. I wish some of you old Kodgers would realize that and promote growth and advancement of the art.
Well done, guys. And don't let any of these old Kodgers tell you different. We've all been listening to the same old crap for fifty years because people have been too scared to try something new. It seems ridiculous that what you guys have done is so revolutionary. Its MUSIC! Something like this is at least 15 years overdue.
Medleys do need an overhaul.But this is what I imagine would be played while the antichrist was being born
I dont doubt these guys' abilities (quite the opposite) and respect that they have tried to do something different.Its purely a reflection of the content
If this becomes the norm,I will burn my pipes & deny any rumour that i had once played
Tones of courage and well performed. However, not sure it is new, e.g. Pipe Bands have been doing this sort of stuff for decades in concerts. We all need to be careful when defining what is a new direction as this is new in competition, but certainly not new for Pipe Bands, which is probably important to remember? It has cetainly got folk talking and we all have different views, which is good, otherwise we would all be playing the same Medley year after year! Interesting times ahead it seems!
nope, what you heard there is a new embellishment Michael Grey is premiering just for this piece! it's played like a bubbly with a slide off the low G accompanied by Tuvan throat singing of an A minor chord. the same movement played while yodeling produces the glorious call of a canada goose!
faced with the choice of going in with a normal medley and getting beat by SL78thFH anyway or making history and getting noticed, they chose the latter, this is one of these history defining moments, and this vid even has "Massed bands will be on at..." at the end, like the anticlimactic "there is no dark side of the moon" at the end of DSOTM by pink floyd, cool folks!
ok, there's a lot of stuff in there that I LOVE and a few things I didn't. But overall, I give props to the Polis for moving the pipe band world in a different direction. Time will only tell if it sticks. Good job!
Cool to see new things being done. It is definitely interesting....the more i hear it the more i dig it. Still would have given the drumming to the 78th frasers over TPPB though. Also was looking forward to a new medley from 78ths.
Definitely agree with Andantehead here. It's definitely growing on me and I kinda can't stop watching it:)The stick clicking at 723 makes me giggle. If you're gonna be "innovative", why not break out turntables and birds chirping in cages. I'd prefer we stick to the traditional pipe band forms. Do you really want to see a free pipe band contest were the LA Scots whip out the gliss bass drum and wear spandex? We can go there if you want:)Why don't we save this kinda stuff for shows.
I would have expected a more open responce from such a prominate and educated musician. To stoop to cheap tactics is so below you Dickie! Do really believe Athol Highlanders is a better option then what Toronto did?
If this medley did anything , it has opened up what will be excepted and bands will not have to play gimickie openers Walmart tunes I call them.Continue leading the leemings and never commit musically , seems aweful shallow to me for a person of your ability.
One of the things I like most about pipe band competitions is having limitations. How about those kilts. Why don't we get innovative and wear tartan shorts. Or if we're going to be inspired by DCI why don't we start doing formations in the competition arena. I doubt I'll be playing in pipe bands much longer if this style of arranging becomes popular. But the truth is that music was never meant to be a "who's the best" sort of thing. It should be about appreciation, and I DO appreciate the piece.
WHOOO! Let's hear for new music, new approaches, and folks with the guts to carry them off. MSRs are the hard and fast trad stuff, why not let the medley contest move in new directions like this. It is in essence a kind of suite, and why the heck not! I loved not knowing what was coming next, for a change, rather than thinking, "Here comes the slow air...here comes the strathspeys..." Is it absolutely perfect? Heck no. Is it absolutely fantastic? Heck ya!
After hearing alot of people talk about this medley i wasnt sure what i would think. Hats off to these guys for having the balls to go out there and try something completely different, medleys need to be developed more and hopefully this will bring other people to try other things out. I think this medley is great!!
I love watching this video for some reason.
Toronto is making a difference and i love to see that, look at all the different medley's coming out now in 2011.
Alex Duthart changed drumming forever and probably had tons of people saying it shouldn't be changed, so why cant Toronto change medley's?
I really respect all the players in the band then, and now for sticking to their guns when people put them down. Keep working hard !
emidee123 7 months ago
Well, what can I say. Really pushing the boundaries. I remember the fuss when medleys moved away from "traditional" changeovers from different timings using what could be called "untraditional" links. But now it's the norm to have these varied changes and links. I like to think of myself as open to change and I have to say that the "dinosaurs" 'aint gonna like it. I'd like to have a peek at the judges sheets to see what they made of it. What you are up against is a lot of them won't understand.
DRUMMINGJUDGE 1 year ago
just a heads up variations hasn't been played in comp since 2006.....and you still comment? please listen to newer medleys, such as Peal's newest creation. Ontario bands in general are pushing for a new age of pipe bands just as tyler fry revolutionized tenor drumming and the view of a midsection, or like Alex Duthart in his time, if you think that players such as tyler fry (lead tenor of Shotts) and Alex Duthart (Lead drummer for Shotts a while back) are bad then idk what your thinking
WoWSwagg 1 year ago
it would be a pain in the ass to memorize this medley
kungfupanda502 1 year ago
hmm never heard them play in the worlds...lets put them against bands such as Field Marshall or SFU wonder how the results would turn out
Viperpiper123 1 year ago
@Viperpiper123 put ANY other band against FMM or SFU and see how the results will turn out
kungfupanda502 1 year ago 2
@kungfupanda502 True statement
Viperpiper123 1 year ago
superior in Innovation, and strong play, tight, the hard work clearly shows. too bad some cannot appreaciate the fantastic sound. I really enjoy listening. I find it easy to follow, and it consumes my senses....Great Band. Great writing. If others can't do better, they should keep their criticisms to themselves. Or maybe they (whoever they are) should get a better CPU
sailnacra 2 years ago
Well my friend, opinions do count in the World. I agree the Drum Corps was excellent, the pipes were well tuned and the execution was fine, however, many including myself do Not find the medley at all musical, and rather boring. Oh by the way, I happen to play with a pretty good band myself, happens to be the Worlds Champions, just in case you were wondering
charlie1pipes 2 years ago
From a much lesser piper than yourself, I have to agree. Not a whole lot of music going on here. I've heard exercises more pleasing. I'm amazed a grade 1 band would play this at a competition.
rosnor2000 2 years ago
Hats off to the creativity and the hard work put into this performance there is an abundance of talent in this band. But for me this show was not my cup of tea it got to be monotonous and repetitious. It was hard to follow and absorb for me, I do recognize the efforts and the talent required to put this type of show together just not to my liking.
cheers
garyspeed100 2 years ago 3
The sound is overwelming, eye and ear candy!
rickc1945 2 years ago 3
Wow! That was insane!!! The best Ive ever heard!!!!!!! 2nd place? What were they thinking?
candiedisney 2 years ago
Love the added dog bark at 7:54!! Nice change of pace for a change. In fact, it's just nice to change! Next part... How 'bout a key change? Need to come up with a switchable drone key. Any brave takers? Small snares are much more practical for high pitch tuning.
notsoflexibleflyer 2 years ago
I personally do not like this medley at all, but do appreciate the talent involved.
charlie1pipes 2 years ago 2
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noriegr 2 years ago
they had 2 bass drummers at 09 george i beleive it was pretty cool
talen1460 2 years ago 2
i know this was a year ago....
but drummers should be playing alot more than they are in this video :S
IwishIcouldFC 2 years ago
Gnosticman00... do you know whos in the crowd wh watch pipe band competitions??? ppl who have know idea about piping, OR the ppl who get cut and have to sit out and watch. ppl will cheer for anything differrent. all the ppl who know anything about playing are in the competition. crowds cheer for stuart liddell when he does crazy shit thats different. people cheer just cuz they never heard it.
wdjnigtg 2 years ago
THe PPBSO Rules state that a band is not req'd to begin performance at the Line & may assume their final position B 4 starting the Contest. Ya cant play at the Line w/o marching in! Band s/h been DQ'd.
CommenTerry 2 years ago
buddy, this was a year ago.. let it go!! get back to ur leigon band.
rovert124life 2 years ago
why would you bother doin tht in the beginning it sounds shit
viperpiper1991 2 years ago
@viperpiper1991 Get over it, its a medley. If you hate it so much, don't comment and don't listen to it.. its that easy bud.
melodytanya 6 months ago
I think it would be interesting to hear this medley at the worlds sometime. I prefer the more traditional medleys to this, but things change all the time. I can't think I've ever heard the crowd cheering at the start, in the middle and so much at the end of a medley before either so there must be something about it that sounds good to the ear. I don't know.......too much thinking!............
peediepup 2 years ago 4
lol in the end we all know that none of our opinions matter in the piping world unless we are qualified and certified judges....but go ahead. argue. its fun to watch :P
AngryBagpiper 2 years ago
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half arsed pipe band..with half arsed drums and a big headed pipe sergeant...ta ta mickey
TARTANCAM 2 years ago
what a load of rubbish! sounds like a fire engine
foyleand 2 years ago
Well, the crowd went wild for this so called 'rubbish'! Sorry, but when it comes to taste, I think you're in the minority,cheif!
Gnosticman00 2 years ago 3
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I have the taste to know they are nowhere near the class of St Laurence O'Toole and Field Marshall Montgomery of my own country. I didn't see Toronto Police even coming close to qualifying for the World Championships so you and the crowd must have been tone deaf!
foyleand 2 years ago
That sounds like a typical 15 year old response, but intensified with a bit of ego and snobbery. It sounds like you're trying to side with the 'purists' of the piping community for whatever motive. Whereas traditional medleys are good, change in nothing bad. Do the research, and you'll see that Toronto's band is considered world class. Do them some justice, and stay away from the "ummph, they're not the queen's pipes, therefore they're adulterated" atttitude. But it could just be your age.
Gnosticman00 2 years ago 2
Well, its a departure from the ubiquitous hornpipe opener, jigs, slow air, strathspeys, reelpipe thingy template. I applaud the detour. Seems TPPB are having a go while everyone else is all being 'different' together in the one channel. This is at least a lot more radical than doing an about face in the circle like Shotts did - yawn!
The music is a wee bit off my map in terms of taste but the ensemble is great, so maybe in a band context it does actually work. Keep it going people!
riccardorodriguez81 2 years ago
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the detour????....the detour is....they aint got a clue about setting sound the wildest thingd was the high g...at least shotts have a corps and ensemble...do u know what that means riccardo???
TARTANCAM 2 years ago
Yes, thanks TARTANSPAM. I do know what ensemble is. I also know what it feels like to hold the worlds trophy aloft, but thanks for your valuable and constructive input.
riccardorodriguez81 2 years ago 4
@riccardorodriguez81 You are my new hero. Thanks. :)
wheezywaiteriscool28 1 year ago
god that introduction is so badass!!!
toronto police is the shit.
sacredsong 2 years ago 2
Anyone want to take bets on which band puts AC/DC's (via Duncan Gordon) "Thunderstruck" into their medley first? There was a point somewhere after the 7 minute mark when I thought they were headed that way. Very interesting idea. I just have to question whether it's really a "medley". I'm glad they tried it though. Certainly opens the floodgates of what is "acceptable".
romoly22 2 years ago 2
I was staying after school one day, and I had a couple of students taking tests while I was listening to this. They were just mezmorized and said that it sent chills up and down their spines. They just looked up, wide-eyed, and couldn't believe that bagpipes could sound that great!
Gnosticman00 2 years ago 2
Awesome. Just awesome!
Thanks so much for sharing!
freya1924 3 years ago 2
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eww
resto776 3 years ago
Tis is one CCCRRRAAAZZZYYYY tune! Anyone know how to get sheet music for this one????????
Gnosticman00 3 years ago
Some of the vitriol this medley got amuses me no end. Alex Duthart saw this coming thirty years ago. An entire generation has come and gone in that time, and his vision is only now starting to be realised.
aoiticica 3 years ago
Wow, a different sound for a pipe band...
I LIKE IT!!!
AmorphousAmanda 3 years ago
What is the name of the march up tune?
mr2455 3 years ago
I think its called Gardens of Skye
acidpiper78thFH 3 years ago
i think the famous line that eric morecambe once said to ernie wise could be applied here...im playin all the right notes but not necisarrily in the right right order...or is it all the wrong notes in the wrong order..i dont know..sounds like a really bad pibroch...written by someone on acid..or an ego trip
TARTANCAM 3 years ago
a new concept for a pipe band .. obviously influenced by mid eastern culture ... think probably ... She ite ! .... well done the dog ... the only good " ruff" .. . Hot Dog !
lescot2000 3 years ago
Fantastic! I'm sorry i wasn't there to hear it!! What did the judges say?
ondangerousground 3 years ago
i saw this performance live and ill tell you, it blew me away! i stil lget chills when i hear it. SCOTLAND FOR LIFE W0000000000!!!!!!!!
RhinoM2000 3 years ago
i would have loved to seen the judges score sheet, they would have had no clue what to say!
shapo812 3 years ago
shit hot!!!
aliashrm 3 years ago
Aye you got one bit right!!!!!!!
countermarch 3 years ago
FYI, marching up with "Garden of Skye".
That was like energizing before crossing the line...nice and different. Well done.
JetPipah 3 years ago
sorry if it insults anyone... but i think it sounds like one big excersise
campipes27 3 years ago
I think it is a lovely piece of artistic shit.Shut up scot the drummer..what would you know?I take it you're a drummer?learn an instrument you piece of ass crap!!
flixit2008 3 years ago
wanna rephrase that? The drum is ain instrument... not all of us think the same as him...
RobbieCrow17791 3 years ago
That was very low of you, think before you speak, and maybe try strapping on a snare and giving it a whirl too. Then come back and tell us the results.
maceachtighearna 3 years ago
As a contemporary composer for the pipes and bands, I consider this composer to be fucking brilliant. I understand why this stuff scares, maybe even offends some of you, but this performance improved my life, and has given me excellent ideas, albeit more traditional, for my band this year (GREIGHLAN CROSSING, BC CANADA)
AngryBagpiper 3 years ago 11
@AngryBagpiper what tunes are they playing?
armydude2799 1 year ago
who won this competition?
charlypiper 3 years ago
How can you say terrible when people wrote all those different tunes. I don't see you people writing tunes. Were born to the understanding that a medley is a bunch of different tunes and an MSR is the standard stuff. Toronto stepped it up this year by showing that a medley doesn't always have to have a jig, slow air, hornpipe, reel etc. They wanted to prove a point, same thing when shotts turned toward the crowd this year at the worlds, their trying to break the barrier of what a medley is.
piperdmac 3 years ago 8
A medley is a handfull of tunes being played one after another. This is just one tune I believe. So it doesn't not count as a medley. Im not saying the tune is bad though.
drumbo90 1 year ago
sounds crap
hendo1991 3 years ago
Terrible!
scottdmcnab 3 years ago
God that is crap
giving me a head ache,
MacArthurPiper 3 years ago
It looks like people either love it or hate it. It's certainly umm... different. A little long, tho. Gets kinda tedious with all the repetition. So many tempo changes, it's hard to follow. Courageous choice. I don't think I'd have tried it, but it seems to be working for them.
LonLofgren 3 years ago 5
The beginning sounds like a tarlouth exercise!
lewisolsson 3 years ago 5
Most innovative and creative medley i've heard to date, and for all you old traditional conservative pipers, go play scotland the brave and other trad. crap ^_^
ThePipinFonz 3 years ago 4
grade one my arse! these guys would get lauged off the park at a major...I promote trying something different but a stand still concert piece with so many harmonies is not the answer.
rosspipes 3 years ago
Shocking Medley.
stewmarshpot 3 years ago 2
Could someone please tell me the name of the tune to which the band marched in (up to the chalk line) before starting its medley? I am more or less a novice when it comes to Scots music, but I really like it.
Joelparshall 3 years ago
"the garden of skye" 4/4 is the name of the tune
cheers
irishcaber 3 years ago
thank you so much. i really appreciate it.
Jsp7002 3 years ago
This is terrible and the sad part is all the judges are too afraid to tell them that
piperjosh3190 3 years ago
you woulding be saying its crap if SFU did this
just because its not one of the "top" grade ! bands doesnt mean it shouldnt get props for doing something new
now I completly agree that there are things that shouldnt be done and things that are ok to try, and this, in no ways, falls into the category of things to never do.
SteveTheScotDrummer 3 years ago 4
Yeah, I would. I'd be very disappointed if SFU did this, especially in a competition.
piperjosh3190 3 years ago
explain why then, im just curious
I dont want an explanation of how it SHOULD BE, but why this is bad
I still love traditional style and wouldnt want to do anything like this if it sounded bad, and it didnt so....
I mean imagine being in that with the crowd cheering half way into it, now yes if something a little boring then just give it a small change and it would still be great
SteveTheScotDrummer 3 years ago 2
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Just that there is no musicality to it. It sounds like one long warm up or excercise or something.
piperjosh3190 3 years ago
well I understand that argument, but like I said, do you think that (giving them sme time to work on it) this could just be like the "first try" of his kind of medley and that once musicians start thinking about, this will be the "father of a new type of medley? do you understand that?
its just with most things the new ideas are criticized at first but give it some time
SteveTheScotDrummer 3 years ago
Yes, I understand. Perhaps after experimenting with this a little bit, it might turn into something nice. Maybe more bands will try something similar in the future. I don't know. We'll see.
piperjosh3190 3 years ago
you will never have to worry about SFU doing something so stupid
sbdrums2 2 years ago
man jsut shut up already, at least piperjosh3190 understood the argument, your just coming on here ranting, "o this is stupid."
Quit being immature. Try taking the ideas brought into here and coming up with even greater ones, instead of dissing it right of the bat.
No i wouldnt expect SFU to do something like this but i wouldnt be suprised to see them use ideas from this medley which is a big compliment to Toronto police.
I never understood why people would ever dis good music
SteveTheScotDrummer 2 years ago
No, it that ur to afraid to try new things....
imapiper 3 years ago
Okay I can arguably hear every component needed for a medley except the strathspey. Can someone fill me in. As well, I am in favour of chordal expansion and tempo manipulation in competition, but lets remember that the competition category is a medley.
comppip 3 years ago
do the judges start when the band crosses the line, or after they strike up?
MaximinoGillespie 3 years ago
after they strike up I think
bagpipingmadman 3 years ago
As soon as the drummers start the rolls (which were nonexistent is this joke of a medley)
piperjosh3190 3 years ago
The Official Judging (in Scotland at least) starts from the Stand at ease.
jobieloon 3 years ago
and your point???
imapiper 3 years ago
they start judging as soon right at the begginging of the rolls
LSBSPB 3 years ago
i dont mind pipebands testing the boundaries of traditional playing...a new step forward in the pipeband world
sgtpepper345 3 years ago
lots of different opinions in here which is cool. this vid from a 3 band G1 contest in Canada has about 10,000 more views then the medley vids from the RSPBA 'majors". kinda funny if you think about it.
andantehead 3 years ago 2
This is shit. Please stop in the name of God.
neil5568 3 years ago 2
slight mistake at 4:50/4:51. it took a couple listens to but i like this medley alot. runs up to high G? high A mabye, and agreed thats a little hokey but its cool that pipe bands are trying new things. best part in the medley is when they speed up at 6:35, amazing i still get chills every time they hit that part.
phuxorz 3 years ago 2
After a few listens it has grown on me, but I still don't enjoy it as much as I do a medley with more standard construction. And I really dislike the runs up to high G.
keydetpiper 3 years ago
Incredible playing...on all sides. But...Imagine how perfect it would look if everyone (sides, bass) quit bouncing around? I guess it helps keep rhythm...or whatever. But it isn't necessary...any thoughts people?
sgknexmaker 3 years ago 2
thats terrible, harmony through the whole medley sounds like shit, i understand trying to make the new age in piping but that is not it
caseih222 3 years ago 3
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gr8 sound, but they'd never qualify for the worlds with that garbage "medley", that was an ego stroke, i would of given em ZERO, around the board...it sounds nice, but how do they expect to get taken seriously with that kind of repertoire in the circle, marching on to the green i Glasgow is a Religious experience
Maverick2051 3 years ago
VERY interesting. I like the idea behind this piece. My only issue is that it's harmonically static. Sure there's lots of notes going around, but they're really only outlining two chords. I'd love to try my hand at something like this, having had a mostly jazz education. I think the potential for really strong and powerful melody enriched by more complex harmony is there, needs to be explored.
swelsher 3 years ago
intarestn...... bits ov it were impressive, but then agen, its stuff for concerts. i stil enjoyed it tho.
MaryKirby5 3 years ago
they beat 78ths drum corp!!!?!? lmao!!!! 78th musta sucked there
z0mggg 3 years ago
no, 78ths didnt suck, Toronto's corps just played better!!
imapiper 3 years ago
Yeah I agree with Shablabar...how the hell are they supposed to judge this!?! Well the 23rd part was a bit rushed? and nice "intro"?, a "liiiitle" over use and untidyness of taorluath but it was covered by the other 5 notes playing at the same time? Lol it's going to be a pretty funny judges sheet! I rekon it's good that they done something different but this sounds well...like nothing but people tuning up. Kudos to the guys remembering it though. Atleast make it sound like it's going somewhere?
whatpipes 3 years ago 2
are they going to the worlds
wellbecoming 3 years ago
yup
imapiper 3 years ago
Ive been piping for some amount of years and I thought it was brilliant! Agree with me or not
oyeah96 3 years ago
well its a nice idea; well arranged & presented - but better placed on the concert stage than in the contest arena. just think how much more effect could be gained with a complimentary stage lighting programme. credit to those that have arranged the piping and drumming but i don't see it catching on especially over in the UK how did the judges possibly mark the introduction?
tommybhoy01 3 years ago
I spoke with Reay Mackay( One of the piping judges)He said he had no idea how to judge it and gave them 3rd in piping (out of three) and said play in concert.
oyeah96 3 years ago
I am sure Reay will be trilled to know , while using a fake name yourself , that you used his name here!
Canadadrummer 3 years ago
Funny, that's just what I thought. Michael Grey
dunaber 3 years ago
its fucking retarded as everyone says in almost every single comment there is no music its just harmonies nothing else, judging well how the hell do you do that you can only do drones and thats it you cant do chanters again because its all stupid harmonies this is strictly concert stuff thats why its a SUITE god damnit....someone hear me out please because no one else pretty much understand
Viperpiper123 3 years ago
how about suck my balls
vonluden38 3 years ago
dude you dont even know what your talking about i bet you dont even play pipes and you think you know everything because we are on youtube and just because you think it sounds cool yours like "OMG that was fucking amazing!!!" theres more to it you just dont understand
Viperpiper123 3 years ago
again how bout u suck my ballz twice!
vonluden38 3 years ago
he may not, but i know something about it! And it is a good piece of music, granted it's different.. but so was shotts turn out.. no-one has critisized it so bad... so why pick on this?
RobbieCrow17791 3 years ago
You don't have to be a piper to know there was a good deal of musicality and creativity to the medley.
maceachtighearna 3 years ago
Doesn't sound like anything to me. How can judges tell anything about unison when it seems everyone in the band is playing something different? Drum scores sound very basic to me; granted I'm not a drummer and don't know such things, but it sounds like they're playing a lot of rudiment exercises and not actual scores.
keydetpiper 3 years ago
Watching for probably the 30th time. I was thinking, I had an idea of what was coming that day.I knew this was going to be quite a step away from the norm, knowing this I watch prominate pipers and drummers faces trying to get a read on what was going through thier minds. People who had nothing good what so ever to say about it, were smiling from ear to ear!I think half the negative responces here are people scared to admit they loved it! Codo's to Ian K, big step out of his comfort zone.
Canadadrummer 3 years ago
hey i think this is a good piece just if u think of it as a comptition stand point you know that u cant just roll half the time and not play... i also want to say is how the frasers get best bass and drums at worlds but here in canada they one 1 best bass last year its just kind of wierd if u think about it
tenor7drummer 3 years ago
how did these guys get best drums and bass???
tenor7drummer 3 years ago 2
I have to say...it was NOT the norm...but taking risks sometimes pays off. Nice job!
ecpiper9 3 years ago
THe best thing ever written for the bagpipe!!
imapiper 3 years ago
Nice job guys. See you on the road sometime Ian.
Piper673 3 years ago
different, can't wait to see how it turns out....
bagpiper523 3 years ago
Thought it was different. I'm not to sure what I think of it but I thought those harmonies were some of the best i've heard.
shapo812 3 years ago
March on was fine, but then it was like standing on the edge of the competition field listening to a dozen pipers tuning whilst awaiting their call to the boards!
chunkierowley2 3 years ago
OMG chunkierowley2 Your so right!!
lol
MacArthurPiper 3 years ago
mikez2007 - in canada we have the creativity to try something new not play the same f'n tunes over and over again. thats being safe and boering at the same time. I can take all my worlds recordings that go back to 1987 and the scottish bands are mostly playing the same crap tunes year after year. Pushing the envelope of music is called imagination. Micheal Gray is a genius when it comes to writing pipe tunes.
DrummerDeli1975 3 years ago 2
boring medley, very repetitive but very interesting, wonder what they'll do next. see all at kincardine
rushyyzrocker 3 years ago
No sorry it was all off. Was it only 1 tune and those retards cheering in the middle just got out an old folks home!!!!
Nice socks.
ronanmad 3 years ago
Ds were a bit off!!!!
Dont you think?
ronanmad 3 years ago
guess ur 1 of those old farts who thinks everyone should go on the field playing scots wha hae eh
pen65quin 3 years ago
i'd rather here scots whahae than this pep-band music from a football game
mikez2007 3 years ago
and this from a guy who's fav video on you tube is "catching you buddy jerking off"
pen65quin 3 years ago 2
this isnt my profile. this is my sister's friend. so suck a fat one.
mikez2007 3 years ago
personnally, i cant listen to more than a minute. how can someone judge this. i guess now a days in canada you play whatever the hell you want, including and jumble of torloath exercises with quad harmonies. i guess anyone can win if they blow tone and have a good cut off. ask anyone with real bagpipe experience, not random people who cheer in the middle of the shitty "medley".
peace out
mikez2007 3 years ago
WOW Toronto police wanted thois to happen they wanted to be noticed and it worked and everyone played into their hands by flaming them GJ R-tards this is the greatest thing to happen since Tyler Fry
dmanandcmac 3 years ago
Repetitive medley nice harmonies though!
bagpipingmadman 3 years ago
It was fantastic
pen65quin 3 years ago
Point I was trying to make was yes, the piping world definitely needs some kind of change of direction in terms of musical content. MSR and Medley in my opinion. I think the MSR is a good test to set bands apart in competition, but the material is not only repetitive year to year but from band to band in the same contest!!
All I'm saying is big balls from Toronto for trying....but what they played and the way it was executed was carnage,in my opinion. Thats based on expecting better from them
templeofsuuund 3 years ago 2
Have a read further down at a point that some wise fella wrote.
I think a lot of people are liking this purely from a "its different" POV.
If people actually like the content of this medley then fair play.....but its rediculous to just like it for the sake that its different and its revolutionized the piping world which has been "apparently" rubbish for the past 50 years.
I would love to see FMM and the likes get the syncopation of that WHOLE medley right once, let alone every time
templeofsuuund 3 years ago
I hope you aren't implying from my post that I think everything has been "rubbish" for the past 50 years. I just think its been the same. Its like saying that any particular artistic outlet reached its pinnacle in 1960 and we should just keep it the same rather than promote growth and advancement. And that isn't from just a piping POV.
If the entire highland scene was promoted to be more welcoming to outsiders we could have something similar to the britany bands or to DCI.
freemanator2000 3 years ago
Great stuff! I am currently trying to get something together like this with my band for Grade IV so will be prepared for the negativity. I can't help but think of the Breton bands when I listen to this. Good work and thanks for trying it. Keep the faith!!
DoffDave 3 years ago
Cool way to start! Definately different. I think it would be better in a concert format though. My all-time favourite medley ever is still Shotts at the Worlds 2007 though! Now that was cutting edge!
ondangerousground 3 years ago
that as to be the longest roll played in a medley lol
I like the new way of playing
and for th people who dont like it beause it breaks the traitional way of playing... its not like the traditional way of playing will stop right here, its just someting new, and it actually opens up the competition field to the judges and bands because now the judges cant just go "i think it should have been reel then jig" etc. because some bands might not even have a reel, or a jig ;)
this is awesome!
SteveTheScotDrummer 3 years ago
WTF is that ment 2 be ?
xpipsygalx 3 years ago
Obviously, it could be more perfect from a technical standpoint, but doing some of that stuff as a band is really, really hard, so keep working on it, get it perfected and don't change a thing. From that perspective, not only has the establishment hurt piping from a musical standpoint, but also from a technical standpoint. I wish some of you old Kodgers would realize that and promote growth and advancement of the art.
-Jason
freemanator2000 3 years ago
Thank you Polis.
Well done, guys. And don't let any of these old Kodgers tell you different. We've all been listening to the same old crap for fifty years because people have been too scared to try something new. It seems ridiculous that what you guys have done is so revolutionary. Its MUSIC! Something like this is at least 15 years overdue.
freemanator2000 3 years ago
Yes, a dog did bark. Don't know if it was registered to play though.
Superb.
suvfifer 3 years ago
Only good part of this video...the first 42 seconds. Ehhh.
Cavanpiper 3 years ago
The next step is to include crash cymbals in competition.
causticpuppy 3 years ago
I was impressed with 2 things in this medley:
The balls to try something new
That big fence in the background
Medleys do need an overhaul.But this is what I imagine would be played while the antichrist was being born
I dont doubt these guys' abilities (quite the opposite) and respect that they have tried to do something different.Its purely a reflection of the content
If this becomes the norm,I will burn my pipes & deny any rumour that i had once played
I dont think this is very good
templeofsuuund 3 years ago 3
2nd that
guitarmuso99 3 years ago
Tones of courage and well performed. However, not sure it is new, e.g. Pipe Bands have been doing this sort of stuff for decades in concerts. We all need to be careful when defining what is a new direction as this is new in competition, but certainly not new for Pipe Bands, which is probably important to remember? It has cetainly got folk talking and we all have different views, which is good, otherwise we would all be playing the same Medley year after year! Interesting times ahead it seems!
wemyss77 3 years ago 2
They must have found a big haul of L.S.D.
If this is the future of pipe band medleys then I think we should stop now.
BigTooT73 3 years ago
did I hear a dog bark at 7:52?
noot68 3 years ago
nope, what you heard there is a new embellishment Michael Grey is premiering just for this piece! it's played like a bubbly with a slide off the low G accompanied by Tuvan throat singing of an A minor chord. the same movement played while yodeling produces the glorious call of a canada goose!
jotto312 3 years ago 2
hahah sure mate......was a dog 4 sure. Hahahahaha call of a canada goose hahahaha riiiiigghttt, sure it wasn't a duck?
guitarmuso99 3 years ago
faced with the choice of going in with a normal medley and getting beat by SL78thFH anyway or making history and getting noticed, they chose the latter, this is one of these history defining moments, and this vid even has "Massed bands will be on at..." at the end, like the anticlimactic "there is no dark side of the moon" at the end of DSOTM by pink floyd, cool folks!
taorluath 3 years ago
ok, there's a lot of stuff in there that I LOVE and a few things I didn't. But overall, I give props to the Polis for moving the pipe band world in a different direction. Time will only tell if it sticks. Good job!
kimacken 3 years ago
Cool to see new things being done. It is definitely interesting....the more i hear it the more i dig it. Still would have given the drumming to the 78th frasers over TPPB though. Also was looking forward to a new medley from 78ths.
andantehead 3 years ago
Definitely agree with Andantehead here. It's definitely growing on me and I kinda can't stop watching it:)The stick clicking at 723 makes me giggle. If you're gonna be "innovative", why not break out turntables and birds chirping in cages. I'd prefer we stick to the traditional pipe band forms. Do you really want to see a free pipe band contest were the LA Scots whip out the gliss bass drum and wear spandex? We can go there if you want:)Why don't we save this kinda stuff for shows.
RichardBaughmanMedia 3 years ago
I would have expected a more open responce from such a prominate and educated musician. To stoop to cheap tactics is so below you Dickie! Do really believe Athol Highlanders is a better option then what Toronto did?
If this medley did anything , it has opened up what will be excepted and bands will not have to play gimickie openers Walmart tunes I call them.Continue leading the leemings and never commit musically , seems aweful shallow to me for a person of your ability.
Canadadrummer 3 years ago
One of the things I like most about pipe band competitions is having limitations. How about those kilts. Why don't we get innovative and wear tartan shorts. Or if we're going to be inspired by DCI why don't we start doing formations in the competition arena. I doubt I'll be playing in pipe bands much longer if this style of arranging becomes popular. But the truth is that music was never meant to be a "who's the best" sort of thing. It should be about appreciation, and I DO appreciate the piece.
RichardBaughmanMedia 3 years ago
Cool medley! Very new sound...maybe a little too new. lol
piperschmae 3 years ago
Ballsey, new and different. Someone was going to front it one day, well done Polis.
RSPBADM 3 years ago 4
WHOOO! Let's hear for new music, new approaches, and folks with the guts to carry them off. MSRs are the hard and fast trad stuff, why not let the medley contest move in new directions like this. It is in essence a kind of suite, and why the heck not! I loved not knowing what was coming next, for a change, rather than thinking, "Here comes the slow air...here comes the strathspeys..." Is it absolutely perfect? Heck no. Is it absolutely fantastic? Heck ya!
razzmaster7 3 years ago 2
After hearing alot of people talk about this medley i wasnt sure what i would think. Hats off to these guys for having the balls to go out there and try something completely different, medleys need to be developed more and hopefully this will bring other people to try other things out. I think this medley is great!!
tanomartone 3 years ago 3
I agree totally, really ballsy, very well executed and extremely entertaining!
FlankDrummer 3 years ago