Schizophrenia Documentary, Recovery without Medication, Take These Broken Wings, trailer #2

[swiyyahnm]

Good video.  I have a similar video on my channel.

[CliveGains80s]

Anti psychotic have Uranium . That what's going to you brain.

it all about profit and twisted teaching to keep the model going.

Diagnoses are getting younger and younger. They are going to pets now too.

That uranium you putting into you little kids brain.

Why do these psychiatrist seem like there telling you shit? they only use a bio chemistry approach. Meaning it's a complete scam as there not one piece of evidence.

[onewaytoprovegod]

@CliveGains80s finally someone wise here... Jesus must be living in you.

[bookjunkie31]

This video is dangerous! Schizophrenia may be a brain disorder, but it's still a physical illness (the brain is a physical part of the body) like cancer or diabetes. You just can't see it like the others. You wouldn't tell someone with those illnesses to not take their meds. Side effects can be adjusted by doctors. End this dangerous stigma now! This is not something therapy can do alone.

[dmackler58]

@bookjunkie31 actually, if you want to be evidence-based, your comment is dangerous, because you are informationally incorrect. many people recover fully without medications, many with therapy alone (!), and many without any therapy at all. i suggest you do some more research before you put out uninformed statements like this.

[onewaytoprovegod]

@bookjunkie31 Quiet! Meds are evil! Its a spiritual problem, not physical.. of course it becomes physical but its spiritual based.

[FINDSHAWNT]

Our prayers go out to the family of Kelly Thomas 

My son, Shawn, is Schizophrenic and was arrested by Long Beach CA Police June 26th for no apparent reason. Shawn has not been seen anywhere since being taken by the Police. Is he a victim of their"homeless policy." or wandering the streets to be the next victim for "resisting arrest"

Please go to FINDSHAWNT on YouTube. We need your help and prayers

[onewaytoprovegod]

@FINDSHAWNT I am so sorry for you... the cops say they have no idea where he is? What the heck??!!???

[Carex09]

@TranshumanCyborg It's the thought that counts...but whatever. Its all an illusion until you are married to a trophy wife and have two beautiful kids and a promising career, then commit suicide in the back shed with a shotgun.

Those feelings are more important than any thing out there. "Not literally seperate," well, I see. Was that before or after they...

[Carex09]

@TranshumanCyborg Amazing how you managed to say that all is one, after basically saying that there are two opposite forces in the universe- the devil and God. Which is it- 1 or 2?

My experience- or interpretation of- is that all is one and that one has been divided into at least 6.4 billion parts. There is nothing though without God, though it may act like the devil on occasion- especially to schizophrenics who actually hear it. The river giveth and the river taketh away. Same river.

[the7thwreck]

....CRAZY!!!... fuck it, an fuck you too.

[yumpypop123]

why is it when you talk to god, your religious and when god talks to you...your schizophrenic????its a westernised illness that other cultures have answers for in human ways rather than lock people up and force feed them drugs that make them feel like shit....yes some people are so disturbed and frightned by their experience and yet no one really helps them only drug them up...the system is so wrong......and im a psychiatric nurse.....so guess theres something going very wrong out there

[Carex09]

@yumpypop123 And Jesus was crucified too. Don't blame yourselves too much...

Can't lay blame to the trees in a world that was meant to burn.

[pawppy]

one reason why language is/would be (i am sure it is) stressing on newer cortex areas is that it takes split of a second to juggle with any other concept that is not a word... be it image, sound or abstract... for words somehow when you think of them you have to go through from beginning to the end.. you like say it out loud in your head.... you bear it for a second or two.. actually it doesn't happen all the time hmmm or does it

[pawppy]

part4: your lives while your church, praises and prayers will all occur without words within you at all times(well-i am speaking metaforically, you will be focusing on whatever it is you want to do within your day and never on this, this will occur by itself). Like.. I might be retarded or damaged by my God is like..nature and the rational sense that made it and comes from it, the struggle of our ancestors.. something like that.. :D

[pawppy]

part3: from these artificial concepts that end up lopping in our brains until they wreck us down. Let God be your saviour when folks won't help:) It can help a lot. I recommend you guys watching Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. Einstein, Isaac Newton both spoke about God. All responsible scientits however how smart do in the end. You just have to find yours, so that you know that you are not alone and here for no purpose, then leave Him do it's job and carry on with [ ... ]

[pawppy]

part 2: called upon compromises are easier to make at brain functioning levels). there are basically multiple subdivisions in our brains that can very well end up working against each other if retarded+under heavy stress of whatever sort. sitting around all day like we do in today's society is stress. boredom is stress. not relating to thers naturally, harmoniously, maturely playful, putting manners and other formalities before human interaction is stress. 'trojan horses' may develop [ ... ]

[pawppy]

4 parts post: I have been on zyprexa(olanzapine) for ~3 years (from 16 to 19yrs).I never had any hallucinations or voices talking to me I would not know much about these voices they sound like scary experiences but I strongly believe that they are just a big glitch that has at it's basis the fact that VERBAL LANGUAGE is rather new and stressing on our newer parts of the cortex, especially when you try and use your WHOLE brain in order to function every day(because when not WHOLE brain is [ ... ]

[ebelskivers]

Schizophrenia runs through my Dad's side of the family. Luckily, he didn't inherit the gene; But yes, it's true some individuals can function without meds. My uncle is a schizophrenic and he's able to tell from what's real and what isn't. Haven't you guys heard of John Forbes Nash Jr.? I guess it just depends on the person because I have some relatives who would be a total mess without their medication. Anyway, does anyone know how in the world I would cite this?

[TCupUK]

@ebelskivers

It is not a question of whether they need help or not, its a question of whether medicating them is the best or only solution.

[dlzoidberg]

I'm on 20mg of Olanzapine a day. One Psychiatrist has told me I will be on them for the rest of my life, another that I may eventually I will not need them.

[AnAcademyFightSong]

Some individuals with schizophrenia can function without medication. However, the vast majority follow a chronic course, where medication is ABSOLUTELY necessary to reduce delusions and hallucinations, which result in substantial distress and impairment. "Atypical" medications are a major advancement. These medications have far less side affects and reduce both positive and negative symptoms. This woman is indeed, very fortunate.

[dmackler58]

@AnAcademyFightSong well....yes, the vast majority follow a chronic course....WHEN they get the meds. there is no lack of historical and modern research showing that a majority of people do not need any antipsychotics. and, by the way, the atypicals have tons of side effects, and many that the older generation neuroleptics didn't so readily cause. better to avoid them all, if at all possible.

[stefanierose88]

I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, I was in and out of hospitals constantly, on thorzine, risperdal consta and haldol and every other drug. They made me worse. Psychiatry is a fraud. I was got well when I got OUT of the system and OFF the brain-damaging drugs.

[Thrashaero]

this video / editing style of cuts to various people saying the same word over and over, over top of some lady saying something....is going to give me a mental illness.

[Totothemonkey]

@Thrashaero Grow up!

[mjdog36]

Eh, This made me very paranoid for some reason. Skitzos, I understand, are not insane people. It's the freaking mind that's doing it, projecting mind voices. I now feel that at anytime I might start hearing voices in my head, though. Damn it. I feel like it's not the devil, but something like a psychotic madman that wants to kill everyone. Man, this is a great idea for a new book! XD

[sharonjc8]

i have overcome schizophrenia without meds and hate the doctors for condemning me to a life with medication for life aarrgghhh when it comes to mental health in the mainstream the help is not there do they have a clue ??

[RiaTapioca]

so did she get better? what happened?...

[pitherra]

Guess what I'm think I'm crazy but I'm planning to continue my education in Human Resources Management for a PH D. That is psychotic.

Never put yourself down.

[pitherra]

We all think like that. Sometimes I think about ki----ing like what she was saying.

I'm just say we're all weird. We just need a nice get out vacation and a happy friend who we could share our sad stories. My mom used to said I was stupid and not smart like the other or like my siblings because I was born a preme.

Sometimes, I try not to let that get in my way because it's a waste of time. And NOW I'M GETTING MY MBA IN HUMAN RESOURCES THIS SPRING!

[mazinkaizar]

Who knows maybe Jesus himself was a paranoid person. Imagine yourself if someone comes to you and say: Hey, you should belive in me i am a God! what kind of reaction you get on that person?

[goddessofdivinity]

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[NOVAGIRL666]

just because i zone out alot, have an over-active imagination, ADD and talk to myself does not mean im schizophrenic, most of the stuff i think, say and feel are childhood trauma and negative habits that made me who i am today.

[Carex09]

"I totally believed that the devil had taken me over"

Are you so sure that the devil hadn't? Can you provide proof that the devil doesn't exist? Can you provide proof that God and the Devil aren't one and the same- but one was created to take the blame and one created to bask in praise?

To everything there must be a cause. But what people focus on- such as high levels of certain chemicals in the brain or a person's life story are only the effects which were caused by??????

[dmackler58]

I cannot provide proof, though personally I don't believe in the devil, and see people's conception of the devil as largely a symbolic representation of certain aspects of their internal emotional horrors.  And in my observation this is trauma-based.

[Carex09]

You think that people are just making this up in their own heads, and blaming it on events that may have already occurred. I didn't make it up in my mind, and the only trauma that truly produced internal emotional horror in my life was hearing the voice.

There was a guy that was in prison for murder. When he was a kid he watched his Mom be murdered in front of him. Now one could say that the trauma of his childhood caused him to grow up and become a murderer himself. This is one hypothesis.

[Carex09]

The other hypothesis is that this guy's life was totally screwed over to begin with, and it never got any better. Maybe God just doesn't give a whole lot to certain people, and some people continue to be a target for his violence their entire lives. Much like walking around with a bulls-eye on your chest and apparently being one of the "expendable" ones.

There are other forces at work here besides just nurture or nature- than just environment and DNA.

[CoolConejo]

Please seek help, Thank you.

[keith1y]

@dmackler58 bad spirits do exist, however their only ability is to twist the knife in already existing wounds. So essentially you are correct, they are just that "symbolic representations of certain aspects of internal emotional horrors". Excepting that they are not just passive, they are actively making the situation worse. Heal the wound and the spirit has nothing to work on. If you have appropriate skills you can interview the spirits as distinct from the trauma/wound healing process.

[RedHatBlueShoe]

@dmackler58 is this you in the video?

[quartercherries]

@dmackler58 Yes. Look into Evolutionary Psychology to begin to understand why.

[AnAcademyFightSong]

@quartercherries

"Yes. Look into Evolutionary Psychology"

Yes, I think we should all look into Evolutionary Psychology .......... when they begin to use the scientific method.

[tehlulz576]

The devil isn't fucking real. Neither is Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy, or anything else like that. "The devil" is a concept, of "evil" which is ALSO a concept. Your fucking gay ass religion defies science and logic in the most unforgivable ways. Stop trying to convert people over YouTube, if you ask me, the Gods were aliens with impressive technology that preformed all the "miracles." They don't give a fuck about us anymore, they're not coming back. Stop praying, it doesn't work.

[Carex09]

"Your fucking gay ass religion"- ummm.... OK then. I would really like to know what religious organization I belong to so that I can join their church, mosque, synagogue, or whatever. But thanks for stereotyping me just like everyone else that you might ever run across in your existence. Sometimes people just don't fit into your little molds. And sometimes God doesn't either. But you are right about one thing- "They don't give a fuck about us"- anymore though? Last I checked God never did.

[keith1y]

@Carex09 God Cares, talk to him about you emotions and he will answer.

[Carex09]

@keith1y That is really just wonderful coming from a person whom God has never communicated to. God cares. Boy he must care just an awful lot to make children get leukemia, kill thousands in earthquakes, and be systematically destroying all the beautiful things- such as nature- that he has created. Keep living in your delusion, please, don't let reality bother you. Or just blame all the bad things on someone else. God had nothing to do with it...

[Carex09]

My problem is not that God doesn't answer- it is that I can't get him(it) to shut up. They call it schizophrenia, but I call it being victimized by God. And he can drag anyone off into the back room and do whatever he likes with them and perpetually get away with it, because no one would ever believe the victim. Does this sound like an entity who cares? About what? Itself. Also God created my emotions, so what good does it do to reiterate to God what it already knows and physically created?

[keith1y]

@Carex09 hi, I have had many conversations with God, and he has always been straight down the line on the side of the wounded and hurting in need of help. He has always been firm with me about my selfishness. The "god" you are telling me is talking to you and will not shut up is not the real god, it is just a little evil lying spirit giving you a hard time. Ask Jesus to remove it for you.

[Carex09]

@keith1y "The "god" you are telling me is talking to you and will not shut up is not the real god"- This is always what religious people say. "That isn't my God... My God wouldn't do that." But God is everything. I percieve God as everywhere and everything, whilst your God apparently only is responsible for a portion of what occurs. This is very convenient, and makes life less confusing I'm sure.

[Carex09]

@keith1y How you know that you have found the "real" God is if everywhere you look is the same God. My God is the one who made the wildflowers. And my God is the one who created plows which plow them under for monocultures. My God is the one who created Mothers who care for their children. And my God is the one who created drunkards who don't care about themselves. One God who creates all. This is what God has told me it is. If your God does not encompass everything, then it is not really God.

[keith1y]

@Carex09 God encompasses everything that is good. If your "voice" will not leave you alone then that is not good, and it is definitely not God. God's character is that of kindness and gentleness.

[Carex09]

@keith1y Having children is good, but overpopulating the world is bad. Having electricity for heating and air conditioning is good, but coal power plants, and dams are bad. Being able to have the freedom to travel is good, but spewing more CO2 into the atmosphere is bad. Thus the river giveth water, but it also can drown you and flood your house. Apparently the distinction between good and bad in your mind is very distinct. But in reality, I think it is not so clear. Much like God itself.

[Carex09]

@keith1y "God's character is that of kindness and gentleness." And this is the same entity who created great white sharks and crocodiles? Who caused at least 5 major extinction events that killed more than 50% of the worlds species? Who caused the crusades to happen, as well as having people fight for thousands of years over a piece of land that isn't worth anything (Jerusalem, Israel)? Who told Abraham to kill his son? Who crucified Jesus among thousands of others? Nice rose colored glasses.

[keith1y]

@Carex09 Hi carex, God does not cause leukemia, nor does he kill thousands in earthquakes. We have responsibility for the world, God will help out when asked, he cares a great deal, and he has answers, if you will ask the questions.

[torking82]

wow you are a dumbass i guess when god comes back you will be in hell...haha i wont see you in hell im going with god!!

[Totothemonkey]

WTF? Firstly if you believe in God you give him respect by using A CAPITAL G for his name, God! secondly you have no right to judge who goes and who doesn't enter the Kingdom of God!

[Thrashaero]

@Totothemonkey

give 'him' respect?

which god are we talking about here? why is it a him, a gender, at all?

and what respect does it so deserve? where's the evidence of this god existing in the first place to be given respect, and where is the evidence of this god, if it existed, having done anything to deserve the respect?

is it just automatic respect without evidence or is it earned, like the rest of us? and if it doesn't have to earn it, how is it all powerful?

I'm just curious.

[Totothemonkey]

@Thrashaero Your call, saw your photo with Jesus, thinking it is funny doing the YMCA, mate if you are wrong... GOD HELP YOU!....

[tehlulz576]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! You actually believe it, too - that's the sad part. Have fun eating pie in Heaven, I'll be over in reality, being realistic with the other smart people.

[keith1y]

@tehlulz576 au contraire, in my experience praying works very well indeed, you could try it yourself and see. I have seen and documented many miracles, and many healings. I have also encountered something like 900 specifically identifiable spirits, some of which were particularly nasty.

[NotQuiteLucid]

Interesting perspective.

[JoeFGale]

i am in love with a girl with Schizophrenia...

[caycecashman]

@JoeFGale so am I..she wants to get off of her meds and try something natural, but we need to find a physician who will be willing to help us go through this..

[DbozenD]

@JoeFGale Great man, just dont HAVE ENY KIDS !!!!

[bigwhiteballs27]

@JoeFGale

lets do a threesome 

[CorinnaWest816]

@JoeFGale My fiance was scared of my diagnosis but now he totally believes in recovery and how people can get sucked into the Disability Industrial Complex.

[Snetigeren]

I am very happy to have been taking part in the ISPS world conference in June this year. Seeing such people as Debra Lampshire gave me a lot of hope for the future. Also the fact that recovery was a major theme at the conference and the focus on the 'truth' in the patients experience - I found that very important in terms of involving the patient in his/her own recovery. Much similar to what is said in this clip.

[dmackler58]

My opinion, based on my experience, is that if there are such things as chemical imbalances they are caused by the underlying emotional problems...mostly traumas. If you resolve the emotional problems (though any number of means, therapy being just one, and perhaps not the best one!) then the so-called chemical imbalances go away.

The conventional mental health field, though, simplistically & incorrectly blames chemical imbalances as the cause! (Then they prescribe the meds.)

Such a crime!

[hiMaryJane]

your'e right, if you just properly nourish someone with a chemical imbalance you can almost make it go away like a bruise.  but there is so much money in prescribing medications. terrible! and only in the states you see these extreme cases... i wonder why.

[glovnhand]

an excess of dopamine in the brain can cause schizophrenia. medication can reduce symptoms but side effects can be thought without emotion

[dmackler58]

as far as i understand, the dopaminergic hypothesis as a cause for schizophrenia has been discredited. but yes, in some cases there seems to be a correlation between imbalanced neurotransmitters and the symptoms of schizophrenia, but certainly childhood trauma can throw off your neurotransmitters in a major way...

[glovnhand]

like that woman who had 13 personalities because her parents forced her to join and watch their sexual escapades

[quartercherries]

@dmackler58 Can prolonged subjection of a child to a narcissistic parent, along with a total lack of participation in said child's personal development cause schizophrenia to develop?

[KaceFace275]

@quartercherries no. like bipolar disorder it is caused by chemical imbalances. although someone will always be "seeded" with these diseases even if they are not apparent until later on, im sure enviromental expreiences can traumatize a person enough to make them submiss to the illness at a quicker rate or with more sevarity.

[ZEITGEISTism]

@KaceFace275

there is no such thing as a mental DISEASE ask any pathologist who have done autopsies on people who were diagnosed as "mentally ill" there is NO evidence that those people had a chemical or brain disorder according to ALL pathology Yes !People do suffer from mental "conditions" but they are not "diseases " nor "illness " a Mental "condition" is abstract Psychiatry is NOT science its pseudo science an OPINION based profession that perscribes DRUGS to MASK symptoms they cure No one

[KaceFace275]

@ZEITGEISTism

its a chemical imbalance, excuse my term slip up.

[fudge1monkey]

@glovnhand

sigh, there is evidence for exactly the opposite. it isnt as simple as "too much" OR "to little" there is far more complex interactions going on.

[pacskin]

I agree 100%... I'm on meds, but I'm constantly working towards getting off, I believe my psychosis wa caused by trauma and negative habits... and drugs

[dmackler58]

pacskin---cool---thanks for sharing---

daniel

[dianeticstu]

I'm in exact same boat. BP diagnosis though.

Thanks for all these vids Daniel

[7867088]

i do the math theory about complex dynamic systems. i´m schizophrenic ;) good luck

[pawppy]

@pacskin lots of exercise, lots of water, lots of rest(not necessareli sleep), there is no other way... of u live in the US you could try to get a medicinal marijuana prescription

[pawppy]

@pacskin but it will not be schizophrenia u are recovering from.. this so called disease is just a condition.. poorly and egocentrically cast upon fellow men as a disease. it is indeed scary and it takes a whole lot of hard work consisting in 90% rest towards recovery but it is not a mental illness.. just as many other so-called mentall illnesses they are just glitches, bugs.. inevitable, or at least unforseeable(well not anymore) consequences of 2day's society's lifestyle

[MusicTeacherMcGorry]

I wonder, when people say they "believe" in chemical imbalances, if they have looked at the medical facts put forth by doctors who don't agree with this. That they're not real, biological diseases. Symptoms that get called "chem imbals," in their argument, come out of the circumstances of a person's life. Part of the challenge, There is often a "belief" without necessarily knowing the facts. Do you know what I mean?  Not meant as an insult at all. Just continuing the dialogue.

[MusicTeacherMcGorry]

I'm so glad someone is making a movie about this. The myths of "chemical imbalances" and patients so-called "need" for medication have become accepted truths. The general population speaks them as 100% fact not to be disputed and if you try to offer an alternative thought (that people's human problems/circumstances can cause them to have a breakdown and psychotherapy w/no meds can help them recover fully), they just will not hear it. We need more voices like this to help examine the reality.

[OmegaMeho41]

I agree on how chemical imbalances have become mane focus for the cause of mental illness. I believe that chemical imbalances are real. But really, some people go to see a psychotherapist for strange behavior, and get diagnosed for schizophrenia while the real cause in some cases is drugs like Methamphetamine. I feel like the doctors and therapists don't really give a shit, as long as they get there pay check.

[dmackler58]

I agree with much of what you say:

1) Lots of people get diagnosed with schizophrenia when the problem is something else---drugs, etc. People who love to diagnose are often SO lazy.

2) I think most therapists are downright terrible---and many are just out for the paycheck. And some like the combo of the paycheck and the ability to control others' lives.

[freetothinkify]

If someone else doesn't, another will step in and take over or abuse. All they have to do is threaten you with that or a mental illness, manipulate with it, and you're theirs. Either or, or you accept going to the funny farm. It's all about control. It's okay, most would rather have a therapist/ police officer to deal with than some other loney manipulating, and they will, every chance they get.

[BEX371]

What an inspiring story. Very revealing vox pops too! thanks for posting.