"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --Arthur Schopenhauer
I wonder if the Singularity would get here faster if we... say... took all the funding we currently put into war and armament (easily trillions per year) and instead put it into computer research and development. lol
@JesusHChrist2000 Sex, eating, sleeping, etc are not necessary for the immortal robots of the future. Also there is no need for individuality by then either, doesn't matter though since we will likely be dead long before this goes down
@JesusHChrist2000 How puritan an outlook, maybe we should just admits it's FUN and if we become "e"mortal, we could then just "do it" for entertainment, or a hobby (like civil war reenactments LOL). Or to pass the time, as we'll have a lot to spare ;-)
I may be transhumanist, but I'm not exactly convinced that Singularity is as soon as you think.
The whole point of the Singularity is, in essence, that the acceleration of human innovation and intelligence will increase exponentially, reaching near-infinity in a good couple of decades. Or, in other words, the exponential curve goes vertical- the "Singularity" that the Singularity is named for.
Trouble is, exponential curves have limits in nature- we'll probably hit the termination point of the
@shajlaface It's from the lyrics of "I am the Very Model of a Modern Major Generel" from the Pirates of Penzance by Gilbert and Sullivan. It's pretty famous.
You do realize that tecnology alone is only the means and the purpose for what it is used depends on dominant power, right?
Techonology can already solve poverty, it just isn't rentable (in the world about twice as food as to feed the world population is already produced, yet 1000 millions still starve, 25000 of them to death every day) ... tecnology can do many things, but not by itself. It need to be directed with ideals, else it just becomes only new other means for reproducing the system.
Peer reviewed physics journals have published papers about creating _new universes_ through technological means. Yet these scientists would probably dismiss the idea of immortality as "science fiction." I guess they think they can play only part of god.
That guy would rather dye. Which color? LOL. Also, alex jones are very smart men. HAH! Sorry, I must laugh at the expense of ignorance. There's really not much else to do.
Alex Jones is a joke. His answer to everything is to BE AFRAID! Ever notice how he NEVER offers solutions? Ya know why? Paranoia sells!! Bigtime!! If there were ever a way to solve any problems in the world it would not be helping his business because he requires problems in order to keep his paranoia seeking audience fulfilled with their daily dose of FEAR OF EVERYTHING! His number one favorite saying is, "we're in trouble folks!" He is not a fan of evidence, just conspiracies and paranoia.
@seanotube85 um mr jones promotes citizens to stand up to the NEW WORLD ORDER creeps like you, and he also promotes survivalism and i think he supports armed resistance in TX
I predict you have watched some Alex Jones propaganda. No singularitarian wants to force anyone to do anything, much less "go into the matrix" (whatever that means). Yeah, we're so evil we want freedom, human rights, and end suffering.
No, nobody wants to force you to be wired into anything. You've simply been lied by Alex Jones & co. I don't advocate forceful "brain chips" either. And I don't believe in hell.
It's sad some people are so gullible. Do your own research, and don't simply believe everything you see in conspiracy vids.
When, exactly, am I going to stand before the throne of "G-d"? I mean, say we get the whole brain-uploading thing down within the next few decades. When does it count as me "dying"? When I upload myself for the first time? (Assuming the uploading is, in fact, destructive.) Every time a copy of my mental pattern is deleted? When all copies of my mental pattern are deleted? What if that never happens? "G-d" may be waiting a very, very long time...
I wonder how singularitarianism will look if we have an economic depression lasting for a decade or more, where we have to divert resources away from visionary technological projects and towards meeting basic survival needs.
Depends how far we fall. I think the people working on self-sustainability will have a leg up though, since what little they have will be used most effectively. Hell, I wonder if this economic issue isn't something planned to push a green-agenda forward more aggressively.
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yeah singularitys here.. and so is christmas.Man is stupid and insane ,instead of looking at the Mountain as a thing of beauty he wants to build a tunnel through it so he can admire the hole he has made. I tried putting a cell phone up my ass and it made me uncomfortable. Whatever floats yer boat
70 years ago a shot of vaccine could go for a great amount of a normal workers paycheck. Now its possible to distribute it to the poorest in the world.
Everything advances, and the things that cost alot today will cost nothing in the future (untill it becomes an antique then it will rise in cost)
Brainchip implants, that's what is named in the video. What if I refused "implants"? If they can give ur mind information, they can also mislead you by "information". Will the men be more free then than now? We can see so many things in the internet, but has it made us free? Indeed many people are slaved to the obvious: They don't get into the matter of the informations they see. It's creating a totally new form of mainstream. When I was younger we used to say the mainstream is slavery.
I'm a Transhumanist and can say that you will not get chipped. You will just get forced to have Nanobots inside your body. And the purpose of the Nanobots is: 1. to keep you healthy and 2. to scan your thoughts. And if you have a bad thought and want to commit a crime they will interrupt the electrical signals between the neurons and stop you from doing it. This is how we will create a perfect world without crime. Thanks to our Technology!
Which country has a law that forces people to buy a car? Just because technology ALLOWS people to have upgrades doesn't mean they will be forced on people. I am strictly against any law that forces people to have such chips, and so should be most transhumanists.
I'm not. Well I'm against forcing people to upgrade, but I'm not against to force them to have Nanobots inside them that will keep them healthy and stop them from doing crimes.
Thxalot for that. So nawitus u see: In this brave new world we are all radio-controlled and it will seem to make our lifes a lot better since we don't have an own will any more.
I think if anybody can believe u this right now then he/she must be very stupid. So this answer here is only for stupid people. You should recognize that it is easy to radio-control you through the same nanobots which must be injected to you for "the sake of good" Don't let them fool you. Search for "SIX THE MARK UNLEASHED"
You're right, through Nanobots I COULD be controlled. I would only advocate these kind of Nanobots if NO human have access to the system behind it. AI's should have the controll and not humans. Because AI's dont have human faults. And since AI's will become smarter than us I think we really dont have choice.
artificial intelligence always has the faults of its creators. even should such a thing close the gap with human conciousness it'd still have the failures of its creators to properly program it as a place from which to expand
Its like saying a robot has the flaws its creators were too stupid, blind, tired, or generally human to see. Even if an AI were to grow its own conciousness in the way we use AIs to grow circuitry patterns today it would still undoubtedly have flawed starting points and its impossible to say how that would change anything. Also i'm a systems engineer, i know what i'm talking about here.
Also to really make a point here, compare a robot you'd create to the robot a roboticist would create. Compare the robot a roboticist would create to the robot a robot would create. Then understand that the robots a robot would create would initially be defined by the roboticist.
infact the very nature of a robots existence is defined by roboticists and its at the whims of their poor design flaws as much as their improvements over the original model of life.
having the right to vote and decide whats a reprehensible act IS part of your freedom. not all crimes by state definition are criminal. how about sticking your tongue out? its as easy to regulate and force conformity as it is to punish actual crimes that way. what if segregation became a reality then? that you could could even enforce that with nanotechnology already speaks to some deep ethical dangers in enforcing the law in such a way.
Well it will eventually be available for everyone one way or the other. It used to be that computers where these massive expensive mainframes that cost millions and only the richest could afford them, the same thing with writing (it was reserved for only the most privileged people like the aristocracy and the priesthood).
Which happens with any new technology until the research which created it is paid off. In 1900, only the very wealthiest had automobiles. Now in the US, over 75% of families below the poverty line own cars, and about 40% of them own two.
Ideally you won't even have a face. If you insist on living in realspace then you'd most likely look like one of the robots at the end of the movie A.I. (the one about the robot who is ordered by some woman to replaced her dead kid).
The outcome of the universe can be contimplated, and so god can be quantified, and thus we will come to understand all that is belongs too one and that one, is everyone.
Sure, this song is not scientific evidence for the probabilities (which are not even implied, they are just possibilities). You need to research further to make your predictions.
Yes I understand the utopianism of the concept but utopianism doesn't make it impossible. Perhaps the word you're looking for is 'far-fecthed', 'unrealistic' or 'impractical'?
Immortalism? What makes folks who adhere to this philosophy think they are worthwhile enough to merit immortality? Why should they not die ultimately? Death is in fact a good thing, it ends narrow-minded idiocy and dogmatism, and gives a new generation an opputunity to advance without indenture to their elders. Why would anyone desire to become some kind of jaded 1000 year old fool holding his own progeny in the chains of his own ancient stupidity? We need to die.
Why do you think you are worthy to make decicisions to other people in the matter of aging? Saying that immortalism is bad you're in fact advocating death for other people. The solution is simple. If you want to die, go ahead. If not, you should be free to use medical technology to prevent aging/death.
Strange sentiment coming from an amoralist. I do advocate eventual death for all, after a pleasant life, why is that wrong? Do you really think immortality would bring anything other than the general 'mortal' population being tyrannized by an 'immortal' elite.
Given the technological level to make immortality possible, there is not that many reasons for an elite to tyrannize "mortals". When there is no scarcity the biggest reason to tyrannize is removed.
Actually we may not be all that far from from finding a 'cure', for aging. True immortality may be a long ways off, but greatly extended life spans, might not be a great leap.
By the way, lack of scarcity is hardly disuades tyranny.
Everything starts by the rich. Who did you think bought the first cellphones? We must start somewhere and then expand. Immortality sould be aviliable for everyone.
Transhumanism is not racist, it is not specific to any biological human race. It can easily be interpreted to be 'anti-racist', meaning that all human races should have equal rights (if you accept a certain definition of transhumanism).
"I'm a Christian Singularitarian actually. I call it hedging your bets :D"
That's actually a really good idea. Either Jesus comes back in our lifetimes and you live forever or biotechnology intervenes and you live forever or at least until Jesus comes back in which case you still live forever. Win-Win situation! :)
Weeeeel let's put it this way. Looking to both Christ for salvation and to the singularity isn't really true faith. Providing Christ exists I imagine he might be a little pissed at being considered possibly real just to cover the believers ass.
Are you kidding me?! HOW can you be a Singularitarien AND a Christian? Oh my God! (or at least your God) Dont you think that is our fate to build something god-like? AI? Or maybe we will Gods.....
I was being flippant when I called in hedging your bets, my reasons are a bit deeper than that. Basically I believe that by exploring Singulariarian disciplines such as life extension, the creation of new species of intelligent life and confronting the ethical use of such technologies we can get closer to God. A test if you like, to see if we can handle that power responsibly.
Well except if it were true that Jesus was God etc etc... I think he would have shown up as a transgod bio based robot from the future by now - like Optimus Prime but gooey... and way better - to prove all that stuff he said...
Note to everyone new to transhumanism: You should study the dangers of these possible technologies too. Many experts estimate the probability of humanity-killing catastrophe quite high, and we need to work hard to minimize these risks. Many immortalists/transhumanists concentrate on the positive effects of future technologies and forget the risks.
possible they have the same problem in ghost in the shell. but i would do anything increase my intellect. the possibility of interacting with machines mind to mind is another thing that would be very interesting
Hmm, while I find the philosophy appealing, the fear that once we merge with technology we may find certain problems still insurmountable is still there.
Aw... the neat thing about the original song was the ironic twist at the end where the Major-General reveals that he is actually totally incompetent. ("When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery...") There's no irony here. :(
Quite entertaning. ^^ Plus it comes with an excellent dash of intellectual stimulation. But if history has ever taught me anything, transhumanism will go down the drain along with all the other failed concepts and hopes created by humanity. Here's to pessimism dear friends! Cynicism aside, I nevertheless find transhumanism interesting. Certainly a more optimistic look on humanity then the one I have. And here's a shout out to Dresden Codak!
when is the last time humanity had biotechnology, information technology, and the seeds of nanotechnology at its back? I wouldn't call the other hopes of humanity failed, they simply dreamed about living in our time. Yes, i think it's likely that we'll kill ourselves off soon, but if we don't transhumanism is almost a necessity of the 21st century.
Singularitarianism requires a cogent, rational theory of emotion, if culture is to survive the singularity. That is to say, one must deal with the irrational as rationally as possible. I propose Triessentialism. (google it, you'll get my blog.) A Triessentialist strong AI would beat Turing.
Having recently read Accelerando I consider that in terms of human-sized intelligences, the capacity for population is dependent on virtual processing capacity, not physical space on the earth's crust.
C'mon here people! It's all about the uploading and the intelligent matter converting!
Overpopulation is an issue about food and cleanwater, not space. There is enough space for hundreds of billions in Earth, and more in outer space. As technology progresses to enable people to live longer and longer, technology will also progress in areas producing more food and more clean water cheaper and faster.
Heh, It's quite fun how people start whining about the population... In the industrialized countries, child births is relatively low. Even if the child births continue to be as it is now, we'll be having space colonies waaaay before there'll be problems with too many people in the industrialised countries.
And who'll want biol. childrens? Only religios extremists would continue living like a 20th centuary human.
1. immortality should it be a choice at birth by the parents or state or should it be ok your 18 or 90 do you want to be immortal?
2.what are you going to do when popultion control comes to be a issue?
will you have make laws like china on haveing childern ? like haveing a child every 400 years?
3. its a good idea that natutal death should be fought off but i think population whould be the biggest issue for the planet. but then were the biggest threat to the world lol
2. When population control is an issue, we control the population. Simply select people to have children to replace people who die (through a lottery?). Otherwise, no births. If we are going to end up as super intelligent transhuman immortals, then it'd be a while before population control becomes an unsolvable problem anyway.
I've chosen not to have kids - but I can't imagine a just state that would enforce that on a human? Also - it seems you've never seen a grown person learn something useful from a toddler or child...That's sad.
That said - I still find all the possibilities Kurzweil and others open up fascinating... But damn those supplements are expensive!
Not no births, not initially. Only births of people whom we have the capability to maintain. As long as we continue to expand and increase our ability to harness energy for sustenance we may not need to control population, at until the very long term. At some point, the energy output of the total number of stars in the universe will not be enough to supply energy to the people who remain. At this point, yes, unfortunately, no births.
IT would be more effective or interesting if you had some sort of ceremony to choose - after a period of full adulthood... I mean forcing someone to choose - or default them to their parents choice is as bad as being forced to have a religion - before birth!
Interesting point, PyroAcid. But I would think that if transhumanist technologies exist, then transolar exploration might be possible at the same time. That would allow considerably more room for expanding the population.
For anyone saying why fight death, the average life span was dramaticaly lower just a couple centuries ago and i dont here anyone saying o why do we live to old age. It will be the same in a thousands or years just with increased life spans if not near immortality.
Well, how do you define death? In one sense, you already have experienced it, as we metaphorically die and are reborn every day. In another sense, death is the end of a being capable of experiencing anything, so it's inherently impossible to experience. Even if you were revived in a conventional sense or in some sort of afterlife, any time during which you were actually dead would be a big blank spot. Not forgotten, but with no memories in the first place.
It is my understanding, that most people who advocate biological immortality actually say "people should be able to live as long as they want". For some it is thousands of years, for others billions.
Really, not ANYTHING? I guess a lot of is was jargon that would be much more easily recognized by people who were already involved in singularitarianism, whether pro or anti, so it's more of an in-joke, isn't it?
This fills me with nerdy glee.
EilonWolfe 1 week ago
That was hilarious! Nothing like humor to a jingle.
buybuydandavis 4 months ago
I'm not a big fan of music, but this was good.
GodofSpanaway 4 months ago
This is brilliant. I hope everyone who watches understand it completely! It's is quite profound
PaintSlinger99 5 months ago
Lol . its just a song :D
spiritofsyth 10 months ago
Whats a singularitarian?
somthing798 1 year ago
@somthing798 Just google for it.
nawitus 1 year ago 5
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --Arthur Schopenhauer
Cool, now we move to the second stage.
FabulosoFuturo 1 year ago
*thinking*...
I wonder if the Singularity would get here faster if we... say... took all the funding we currently put into war and armament (easily trillions per year) and instead put it into computer research and development. lol
EdouardDubois 1 year ago 3
@EdouardDubois The problem in that is AI safety. Google for "Friendly AI".
nawitus 1 year ago
If people were immortal, would sex be necessary? I guess not.
JesusHChrist2000 1 year ago
@JesusHChrist2000 Sex, eating, sleeping, etc are not necessary for the immortal robots of the future. Also there is no need for individuality by then either, doesn't matter though since we will likely be dead long before this goes down
id1337x 1 year ago
@JesusHChrist2000 How puritan an outlook, maybe we should just admits it's FUN and if we become "e"mortal, we could then just "do it" for entertainment, or a hobby (like civil war reenactments LOL). Or to pass the time, as we'll have a lot to spare ;-)
airplayn 1 year ago
@JesusHChrist2000
Sex isn't just about reproduction, just look at all the masturbation and homosexuality rampant in the world today! lol
All pleasure with none of the usual biological function.
EdouardDubois 1 year ago
curve before we hit Singularity. Singularity's happening, but not anywhere as soon as you think.
Nerdule 1 year ago
I may be transhumanist, but I'm not exactly convinced that Singularity is as soon as you think.
The whole point of the Singularity is, in essence, that the acceleration of human innovation and intelligence will increase exponentially, reaching near-infinity in a good couple of decades. Or, in other words, the exponential curve goes vertical- the "Singularity" that the Singularity is named for.
Trouble is, exponential curves have limits in nature- we'll probably hit the termination point of the
Nerdule 1 year ago
@Nerdule But if we're already immortal by then, all we'd have to do is wait it out.
linksysruler 1 year ago
Hahaha, this is great. Now I can be the very model of a singularitarian AND a sicientist salarian! =D
HitodamaKyrie 1 year ago
I swear i heard this song before on like a movie or somthing does anyone know ?
shajlaface 1 year ago
@shajlaface It's from the lyrics of "I am the Very Model of a Modern Major Generel" from the Pirates of Penzance by Gilbert and Sullivan. It's pretty famous.
mcc1789 1 year ago
I love this song. But as a believer in spontanous order in economics, should I brand myself a libertarian transhumanist or a singularitarian?
Sondre7 1 year ago
2:01 ICB test. Correct me if I'm wrong.
sirjoebloggs 1 year ago
You do realize that tecnology alone is only the means and the purpose for what it is used depends on dominant power, right?
Techonology can already solve poverty, it just isn't rentable (in the world about twice as food as to feed the world population is already produced, yet 1000 millions still starve, 25000 of them to death every day) ... tecnology can do many things, but not by itself. It need to be directed with ideals, else it just becomes only new other means for reproducing the system.
EspiralTiempo 1 year ago 4
Immortality isn't good. Nor is it bad. It's impossible. There is no such thing as eternity.
Kravitch117 1 year ago
Immortality in this context doesn't mean living forever, it's living as long as you want or atleast for billions of years.
nawitus 1 year ago 21
Are you saying that time, an axis in the 4th dimension, has an end?
yousefamar 1 year ago
Peer reviewed physics journals have published papers about creating _new universes_ through technological means. Yet these scientists would probably dismiss the idea of immortality as "science fiction." I guess they think they can play only part of god.
conradjulian 1 year ago
@Kravitch117 yet, the only thing that is, is eternity. Emptiness in infinity.
SunBeamsan 1 year ago
The message is great, pity about the song.
Ch4osW4rrior 1 year ago
This is my all time favorite song.
sirjoebloggs 2 years ago 2
I'll be the very model of a Singularitarian.
Arcaani 2 years ago 3
I'm impressed.. Bring on the brain-computer interfaces! I'll be first in line!
MrJoshfinch 2 years ago 2
That guy would rather dye. Which color? LOL. Also, alex jones are very smart men. HAH! Sorry, I must laugh at the expense of ignorance. There's really not much else to do.
seanotube85 2 years ago 4
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u should listen to alxe jones hes a very smart man.
I pray u break out of the matrix.
the fact that u support this is disgusting this is not funny.
AnonymousElektron 2 years ago
Alex Jones is a joke. His answer to everything is to BE AFRAID! Ever notice how he NEVER offers solutions? Ya know why? Paranoia sells!! Bigtime!! If there were ever a way to solve any problems in the world it would not be helping his business because he requires problems in order to keep his paranoia seeking audience fulfilled with their daily dose of FEAR OF EVERYTHING! His number one favorite saying is, "we're in trouble folks!" He is not a fan of evidence, just conspiracies and paranoia.
seanotube85 2 years ago 8
@seanotube85 um mr jones promotes citizens to stand up to the NEW WORLD ORDER creeps like you, and he also promotes survivalism and i think he supports armed resistance in TX
AnonymousElektron 1 year ago
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ur evil.
this is new world order propaganda.
u want us all to go into the matrix but i wont, i would rather dye.
AnonymousElektron 2 years ago
I predict you have watched some Alex Jones propaganda. No singularitarian wants to force anyone to do anything, much less "go into the matrix" (whatever that means). Yeah, we're so evil we want freedom, human rights, and end suffering.
nawitus 2 years ago 14
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u want us to be wired into the matrix to take away our rights.]
the fact is, no one can control our brain chips except the machines, not u, not me, not anyone.\
So go to hell!
AnonymousElektron 2 years ago
also, alex jones are very smart men
AnonymousElektron 2 years ago
No, nobody wants to force you to be wired into anything. You've simply been lied by Alex Jones & co. I don't advocate forceful "brain chips" either. And I don't believe in hell.
It's sad some people are so gullible. Do your own research, and don't simply believe everything you see in conspiracy vids.
nawitus 2 years ago 8
@nawitus google "spychips" to find out about the NWO agenda to tag u like cattle
AnonymousElektron 1 year ago
AnonymousElektron The matrix already has you and you don't even know it. You are a slave who has been offered freedom and rejected it. So sad.
Ansonidak 2 years ago
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u will one day stand before the throne of g-d, and have to explain why uv polluted the universe with ur filth.
Gluttony is a sin!
u think u can be g-ds?
There is only 1 g-d!!!
U R THE ONE WHO IS IN THE MATRIX
AnonymousElektron 2 years ago
Stop it AnonymousElectron. Your scaring me! Not really, I'm busting a gut laughing at you. Yeah yeah I know I'll burn for it. In the meantime LOL@YOU
Ansonidak 2 years ago 3
When, exactly, am I going to stand before the throne of "G-d"? I mean, say we get the whole brain-uploading thing down within the next few decades. When does it count as me "dying"? When I upload myself for the first time? (Assuming the uploading is, in fact, destructive.) Every time a copy of my mental pattern is deleted? When all copies of my mental pattern are deleted? What if that never happens? "G-d" may be waiting a very, very long time...
Song is funny, btw.
Shockz0rz 2 years ago
This is really great. I couldn't have enjoyed it more.
Malafede122112 2 years ago 4
This goes on my phone :))
DonDonTiribom 2 years ago 5
If you could get Kelsey Grammer to sing this........I think I would spontaneously orgasam.....
farnium 2 years ago 15
lol
sharpezor 2 years ago 4
This is the smartest humourous thing ive seen in a while. Thx Karl.
Sad but true, how far we've come and how so close we are to this gigantic step towards the unknown.
megarexik 2 years ago 22
I wonder how singularitarianism will look if we have an economic depression lasting for a decade or more, where we have to divert resources away from visionary technological projects and towards meeting basic survival needs.
advancedatheist 3 years ago 5
Technological innovation will continue even during an economic depression, perhaps at a slightly lower pace though.
nawitus 3 years ago
Depends how far we fall. I think the people working on self-sustainability will have a leg up though, since what little they have will be used most effectively. Hell, I wonder if this economic issue isn't something planned to push a green-agenda forward more aggressively.
midare 2 years ago 4
Well, the economy is already growing in a couple of countries, so I'd say this economic depression is soon over.
nawitus 2 years ago
Anywhere where I can get the lyrics for this? I so want to lean it!
Vildasnaga 3 years ago
Search for 'I am the very model of a Singularitarian' on google.
nawitus 3 years ago
Fun! Thanks for posting. Harvard
havardmindx 3 years ago 3
Your singing is sort of painful.
TomDuncombe 3 years ago
This is actually really well done. Kudos to whoever made it.
CanadianJesus 3 years ago
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fuck off
1singularity 3 years ago
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yeah singularitys here.. and so is christmas.Man is stupid and insane ,instead of looking at the Mountain as a thing of beauty he wants to build a tunnel through it so he can admire the hole he has made. I tried putting a cell phone up my ass and it made me uncomfortable. Whatever floats yer boat
1singularity 3 years ago
Beautiful.
RevAlex 3 years ago
70 years ago a shot of vaccine could go for a great amount of a normal workers paycheck. Now its possible to distribute it to the poorest in the world.
Everything advances, and the things that cost alot today will cost nothing in the future (untill it becomes an antique then it will rise in cost)
Elvenass 3 years ago 2
Singularity is inhumane! Imagine if everyboddy had to get a chip implanted... I WILL NOT GET CHIPPED!
Changer01 3 years ago
Yeah, it would be very unfortunate if everybody would be forced to get a 'chip'. Luckily, Technological Singularity makes no such predictions..
nawitus 3 years ago
Brainchip implants, that's what is named in the video. What if I refused "implants"? If they can give ur mind information, they can also mislead you by "information". Will the men be more free then than now? We can see so many things in the internet, but has it made us free? Indeed many people are slaved to the obvious: They don't get into the matter of the informations they see. It's creating a totally new form of mainstream. When I was younger we used to say the mainstream is slavery.
Changer01 3 years ago 2
I'm a Transhumanist and can say that you will not get chipped. You will just get forced to have Nanobots inside your body. And the purpose of the Nanobots is: 1. to keep you healthy and 2. to scan your thoughts. And if you have a bad thought and want to commit a crime they will interrupt the electrical signals between the neurons and stop you from doing it. This is how we will create a perfect world without crime. Thanks to our Technology!
angel2901 3 years ago
Which country has a law that forces people to buy a car? Just because technology ALLOWS people to have upgrades doesn't mean they will be forced on people. I am strictly against any law that forces people to have such chips, and so should be most transhumanists.
nawitus 3 years ago
I'm not. Well I'm against forcing people to upgrade, but I'm not against to force them to have Nanobots inside them that will keep them healthy and stop them from doing crimes.
angel2901 3 years ago
Thxalot for that. So nawitus u see: In this brave new world we are all radio-controlled and it will seem to make our lifes a lot better since we don't have an own will any more.
Changer01 3 years ago
You will have an own will. The Nanobots will just stop you from doing crimes. And to do crimes is NOT part of your freedom.
angel2901 3 years ago
I think if anybody can believe u this right now then he/she must be very stupid. So this answer here is only for stupid people. You should recognize that it is easy to radio-control you through the same nanobots which must be injected to you for "the sake of good" Don't let them fool you. Search for "SIX THE MARK UNLEASHED"
Changer01 3 years ago
You're right, through Nanobots I COULD be controlled. I would only advocate these kind of Nanobots if NO human have access to the system behind it. AI's should have the controll and not humans. Because AI's dont have human faults. And since AI's will become smarter than us I think we really dont have choice.
angel2901 3 years ago
I'm cool with that.
Khenghis 3 years ago
artificial intelligence always has the faults of its creators. even should such a thing close the gap with human conciousness it'd still have the failures of its creators to properly program it as a place from which to expand
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
Which is like saying that a robot is weak because it was created by weak humans..
nawitus 3 years ago
Its like saying a robot has the flaws its creators were too stupid, blind, tired, or generally human to see. Even if an AI were to grow its own conciousness in the way we use AIs to grow circuitry patterns today it would still undoubtedly have flawed starting points and its impossible to say how that would change anything. Also i'm a systems engineer, i know what i'm talking about here.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
Also to really make a point here, compare a robot you'd create to the robot a roboticist would create. Compare the robot a roboticist would create to the robot a robot would create. Then understand that the robots a robot would create would initially be defined by the roboticist.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago 3
infact the very nature of a robots existence is defined by roboticists and its at the whims of their poor design flaws as much as their improvements over the original model of life.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
having the right to vote and decide whats a reprehensible act IS part of your freedom. not all crimes by state definition are criminal. how about sticking your tongue out? its as easy to regulate and force conformity as it is to punish actual crimes that way. what if segregation became a reality then? that you could could even enforce that with nanotechnology already speaks to some deep ethical dangers in enforcing the law in such a way.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago 2
Brilliant mesh of G&S with singularity manifesto. Yay! Well done.
jasoncummer 3 years ago 6
Well it will eventually be available for everyone one way or the other. It used to be that computers where these massive expensive mainframes that cost millions and only the richest could afford them, the same thing with writing (it was reserved for only the most privileged people like the aristocracy and the priesthood).
Khenghis 3 years ago 4
Which happens with any new technology until the research which created it is paid off. In 1900, only the very wealthiest had automobiles. Now in the US, over 75% of families below the poverty line own cars, and about 40% of them own two.
Cybrludite 3 years ago
there must be some way to live forever without lots of ugly funky borg wires sticking out of our faces right ?
anutter14ever 3 years ago 2
Ideally you won't even have a face. If you insist on living in realspace then you'd most likely look like one of the robots at the end of the movie A.I. (the one about the robot who is ordered by some woman to replaced her dead kid).
Khenghis 3 years ago
The outcome of the universe can be contimplated, and so god can be quantified, and thus we will come to understand all that is belongs too one and that one, is everyone.
devel155 3 years ago
Thank god that this is just stupid illusionary stuff. It may touch you right now, but do you understand the utopism of it all?
Changer01 3 years ago
Ending hunger.. "utopia". Landing men to moon.. "utopia". Flying machine.. "utopia".
If you don't atleast try to reach your dreams then you will surely fail.
nawitus 3 years ago
I'm not even talking about that.
I'm talking about the images in the video with which one tries to press the scientific probability of a brave new world into one another'S minds.
Changer01 3 years ago
Sure, this song is not scientific evidence for the probabilities (which are not even implied, they are just possibilities). You need to research further to make your predictions.
nawitus 3 years ago
Yes I understand the utopianism of the concept but utopianism doesn't make it impossible. Perhaps the word you're looking for is 'far-fecthed', 'unrealistic' or 'impractical'?
Khenghis 3 years ago 2
First cubelike transhuman:
watch?v=6CLowg_Fxig
dermatoon 3 years ago
I'm probably not going to make it past the threshold, given that type is too small to read ...
Good vid!
CityzenJane 3 years ago
awesome! made me smile :)
undefinedego 3 years ago
Immortalism? What makes folks who adhere to this philosophy think they are worthwhile enough to merit immortality? Why should they not die ultimately? Death is in fact a good thing, it ends narrow-minded idiocy and dogmatism, and gives a new generation an opputunity to advance without indenture to their elders. Why would anyone desire to become some kind of jaded 1000 year old fool holding his own progeny in the chains of his own ancient stupidity? We need to die.
chasgjas 3 years ago
Well no-one lives forever. But to live for a 100 0 years would be cool.
Bridgerboy 3 years ago
"Well no-one lives forever."
Well of course. We don't need to live forever just half of forever. :)
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Why do you think you are worthy to make decicisions to other people in the matter of aging? Saying that immortalism is bad you're in fact advocating death for other people. The solution is simple. If you want to die, go ahead. If not, you should be free to use medical technology to prevent aging/death.
nawitus 3 years ago
Strange sentiment coming from an amoralist. I do advocate eventual death for all, after a pleasant life, why is that wrong? Do you really think immortality would bring anything other than the general 'mortal' population being tyrannized by an 'immortal' elite.
chasgjas 3 years ago
What if people can't have a pleasant life, knowing that it will end in an eventual death? ^_~
MasterAsra 3 years ago
Given the technological level to make immortality possible, there is not that many reasons for an elite to tyrannize "mortals". When there is no scarcity the biggest reason to tyrannize is removed.
nawitus 3 years ago
Actually we may not be all that far from from finding a 'cure', for aging. True immortality may be a long ways off, but greatly extended life spans, might not be a great leap.
By the way, lack of scarcity is hardly disuades tyranny.
chasgjas 3 years ago 2
Everything starts by the rich. Who did you think bought the first cellphones? We must start somewhere and then expand. Immortality sould be aviliable for everyone.
Elvenass 3 years ago 4
"Saying that immortalism is bad you're in fact advocating death for other people."
I wasn't. I was being clever. I said we don't need to live forever just half of forever. The idea being that half of forever is still forever! :D
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
also neo-racist and blindly adherent to progress narrative groupthink
saaaaage
caelumarisen 3 years ago
Transhumanism is not racist, it is not specific to any biological human race. It can easily be interpreted to be 'anti-racist', meaning that all human races should have equal rights (if you accept a certain definition of transhumanism).
nawitus 3 years ago
painfully nerdy
caelumarisen 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This is the gayest shit ever.
PCoderch 4 years ago
I'm a Christian Singularitarian actually. I call it hedging your bets :D
Philweasel 4 years ago
whe're two, buddy! lol
hosseher 4 years ago
"I'm a Christian Singularitarian actually. I call it hedging your bets :D"
That's actually a really good idea. Either Jesus comes back in our lifetimes and you live forever or biotechnology intervenes and you live forever or at least until Jesus comes back in which case you still live forever. Win-Win situation! :)
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Weeeeel let's put it this way. Looking to both Christ for salvation and to the singularity isn't really true faith. Providing Christ exists I imagine he might be a little pissed at being considered possibly real just to cover the believers ass.
Bridgerboy 3 years ago
True. Covering ones ass shouldn't be the only reason to be a Christian. I just thought the other comment was kind of clever.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Are you kidding me?! HOW can you be a Singularitarien AND a Christian? Oh my God! (or at least your God) Dont you think that is our fate to build something god-like? AI? Or maybe we will Gods.....
angel2901 3 years ago
I was being flippant when I called in hedging your bets, my reasons are a bit deeper than that. Basically I believe that by exploring Singulariarian disciplines such as life extension, the creation of new species of intelligent life and confronting the ethical use of such technologies we can get closer to God. A test if you like, to see if we can handle that power responsibly.
Philweasel 3 years ago 2
Well except if it were true that Jesus was God etc etc... I think he would have shown up as a transgod bio based robot from the future by now - like Optimus Prime but gooey... and way better - to prove all that stuff he said...
CityzenJane 3 years ago
But if Jesus returned to 'prove' his divinity wouldn't that amount to intellectual blackmail to make people accept his ideals?
Philweasel 3 years ago
That is a question for a theologian - that cares about the answer!
CityzenJane 3 years ago
If Jesus were to 'prove' his sex by showing the world his ding dong, would that amount to intellectual blackmail to make people accept his gender?
beriukay 3 years ago
Freaking awesome! I want an MP3 of this to listen to on the way to school.
Alexeon 4 years ago
Awesome.
Bridgerboy 4 years ago
Very entertaining and informative lyrics, synchronising well with the tune and sung with exceptional quality.
Extraintrovert 4 years ago 4
google will bring the singularity!
noctu 4 years ago
we r BIO-TECHNOLOGY.
ganjamannr1 4 years ago
Where did that first picture come from? With the robot ripping it's face off. I want that picture, it is ridiculously awesome.
xamox 4 years ago
Search for 'dark-art-3' in google.
nawitus 4 years ago
That's it. Awesome thanks!
xamox 4 years ago
I hope this video will get areupload with a better Quality, since the lyrics are really hard to read.
superdiza 4 years ago 2
Singularitarian, I like the sound of that. That's the new answer for people who ask me what I think of Religions.
maeon3 4 years ago 2
WOW!
ItsMrChumley 4 years ago
delicioso, simpatiquisimo. greetings my fellow transhuman. so nice to see this. We will live forever or die trying!!!!
geape 4 years ago 3
Beautiful and uplifting!
FUTUREWA 4 years ago 3
Pan dances to his destruction while his minions follow singing. I'm sad for you guys. tears. funny video though.
KnowWhatIsTrue 4 years ago
lol We are playing this in band lol with out the words lol it's kinda fun to play!
GGWannaB 4 years ago
Note to everyone new to transhumanism: You should study the dangers of these possible technologies too. Many experts estimate the probability of humanity-killing catastrophe quite high, and we need to work hard to minimize these risks. Many immortalists/transhumanists concentrate on the positive effects of future technologies and forget the risks.
nawitus 4 years ago
Boooo nancy!
iliketheocean 4 years ago 2
p.s. religion shouldn't stop science because, It's not science!
MaxiusTheGod 4 years ago
Obnoxious Tautology: Not just for Jesus freaks anymore!
Lymojo 4 years ago
possible they have the same problem in ghost in the shell. but i would do anything increase my intellect. the possibility of interacting with machines mind to mind is another thing that would be very interesting
MaxiusTheGod 4 years ago
Hmm, while I find the philosophy appealing, the fear that once we merge with technology we may find certain problems still insurmountable is still there.
Mjb870225 4 years ago
Aw... the neat thing about the original song was the ironic twist at the end where the Major-General reveals that he is actually totally incompetent. ("When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery...") There's no irony here. :(
CronoDAS 4 years ago
Quite entertaning. ^^ Plus it comes with an excellent dash of intellectual stimulation. But if history has ever taught me anything, transhumanism will go down the drain along with all the other failed concepts and hopes created by humanity. Here's to pessimism dear friends! Cynicism aside, I nevertheless find transhumanism interesting. Certainly a more optimistic look on humanity then the one I have. And here's a shout out to Dresden Codak!
SHOUT OUT
/shoutout
Kenac51 4 years ago
when is the last time humanity had biotechnology, information technology, and the seeds of nanotechnology at its back? I wouldn't call the other hopes of humanity failed, they simply dreamed about living in our time. Yes, i think it's likely that we'll kill ourselves off soon, but if we don't transhumanism is almost a necessity of the 21st century.
BlindObserverOverAll 4 years ago
God bless Dresden Codak... wait.. what?
moeba777 4 years ago
Goodness, I guess I must give my props to Dresden Codak as well to introducing me to Transhumanism.
LigerMkII 4 years ago
Nice, very nice. Found this through Dresden Codak's site.
I have been a transhumanist for a while now, but this is probably the best explaination of transhumanism I have seen so far. Very nicely done!
FhtagnCthulhu 4 years ago
The tune reminds me of Tom Lehrer's "The Elements".
Very neat concepts contained in this film!
... and iodine and thorium and thulium and thallium!
threeofswords 4 years ago
That would be because both use the tune from "The Modern Major-General"
LordOfDorkness 4 years ago
So I see.
threeofswords 4 years ago
thank you DRESDEN CODAK FOR BEING MY GATEWAY TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF TRANSHUMANISM
hadakang 4 years ago 2
All hail dresden codak and the shiny art explaining complex theories.
hecatonchireslm 4 years ago
Finally, an explanation that makes these abstract concepts both understandable and interesting to me!
...I bet most people reading this think I'm joking about that. I'm seriously not.
AuthorX 4 years ago
Whoot
Great vid and even better song. The singularity is getting closer, demolish the planets and start building Matrioshka brains!!!
leemoores 4 years ago
Singularitarianism requires a cogent, rational theory of emotion, if culture is to survive the singularity. That is to say, one must deal with the irrational as rationally as possible. I propose Triessentialism. (google it, you'll get my blog.) A Triessentialist strong AI would beat Turing.
Also, the Go-Bots were transhumanists.
BlueNight134 4 years ago
Having recently read Accelerando I consider that in terms of human-sized intelligences, the capacity for population is dependent on virtual processing capacity, not physical space on the earth's crust.
C'mon here people! It's all about the uploading and the intelligent matter converting!
jh2tc 4 years ago
Overpopulation is an issue about food and cleanwater, not space. There is enough space for hundreds of billions in Earth, and more in outer space. As technology progresses to enable people to live longer and longer, technology will also progress in areas producing more food and more clean water cheaper and faster.
nawitus 4 years ago
Heh, It's quite fun how people start whining about the population... In the industrialized countries, child births is relatively low. Even if the child births continue to be as it is now, we'll be having space colonies waaaay before there'll be problems with too many people in the industrialised countries.
And who'll want biol. childrens? Only religios extremists would continue living like a 20th centuary human.
Ran4444 4 years ago
3things
1. immortality should it be a choice at birth by the parents or state or should it be ok your 18 or 90 do you want to be immortal?
2.what are you going to do when popultion control comes to be a issue?
will you have make laws like china on haveing childern ? like haveing a child every 400 years?
3. its a good idea that natutal death should be fought off but i think population whould be the biggest issue for the planet. but then were the biggest threat to the world lol
PyroAcid 4 years ago
1. I think we should be born immortal. Arguably, if we can make someone stop aging somehow, we could probably start them aging again if they so wish.
TonkarzOfSolSystem 4 years ago
2. When population control is an issue, we control the population. Simply select people to have children to replace people who die (through a lottery?). Otherwise, no births. If we are going to end up as super intelligent transhuman immortals, then it'd be a while before population control becomes an unsolvable problem anyway.
TonkarzOfSolSystem 4 years ago
No births?
I've chosen not to have kids - but I can't imagine a just state that would enforce that on a human? Also - it seems you've never seen a grown person learn something useful from a toddler or child...That's sad.
That said - I still find all the possibilities Kurzweil and others open up fascinating... But damn those supplements are expensive!
CityzenJane 3 years ago
I just plain can't imagine a just state, period.
XOmniverse 3 years ago
Not no births, not initially. Only births of people whom we have the capability to maintain. As long as we continue to expand and increase our ability to harness energy for sustenance we may not need to control population, at until the very long term. At some point, the energy output of the total number of stars in the universe will not be enough to supply energy to the people who remain. At this point, yes, unfortunately, no births.
TonkarzOfSolSystem 3 years ago
IT would be more effective or interesting if you had some sort of ceremony to choose - after a period of full adulthood... I mean forcing someone to choose - or default them to their parents choice is as bad as being forced to have a religion - before birth!
CityzenJane 3 years ago
Interesting point, PyroAcid. But I would think that if transhumanist technologies exist, then transolar exploration might be possible at the same time. That would allow considerably more room for expanding the population.
A11smart 3 years ago
there is more than one planet in the solar system ^_^
undefinedego 3 years ago
This is several kinds of genius
AManicPreacher 4 years ago
I'm a Singularitarian! And Singularity will come sooner than you may think!
angel2901 4 years ago
Very nice video, and song! Where did you get all the great images? The first image is amazing!
va1ance 4 years ago
For anyone saying why fight death, the average life span was dramaticaly lower just a couple centuries ago and i dont here anyone saying o why do we live to old age. It will be the same in a thousands or years just with increased life spans if not near immortality.
Dinoking 4 years ago
Very cool video. Immortality... I dont know. Longevity for sure. One day I do wish to experience death, but not until I am bored of life.
spaceinterface 4 years ago 2
Well, how do you define death? In one sense, you already have experienced it, as we metaphorically die and are reborn every day. In another sense, death is the end of a being capable of experiencing anything, so it's inherently impossible to experience. Even if you were revived in a conventional sense or in some sort of afterlife, any time during which you were actually dead would be a big blank spot. Not forgotten, but with no memories in the first place.
polkijm 4 years ago
It is my understanding, that most people who advocate biological immortality actually say "people should be able to live as long as they want". For some it is thousands of years, for others billions.
nawitus 4 years ago
couldnt understand anything he was saying, sounded a bit drunk or something
coldsteal2 4 years ago
Really, not ANYTHING? I guess a lot of is was jargon that would be much more easily recognized by people who were already involved in singularitarianism, whether pro or anti, so it's more of an in-joke, isn't it?
polkijm 4 years ago