INDY or New York this is hands down MATCH of the decade. No EGO two professionals taking bumps and selling for eachother!!! I miss this kind of wrestling. Nice to see, thanks for upload!
@FireFightWrestling So a match like Cena-Punk is worse than those talentless hacks and their terrible garbage wrestling? Thats what a lot of IWA:MS was. This match rules, but still. Just a stereotypical smark who swears by anything indy even though a lot of it sucks
@blueseptember39 really? AJ Styles Vs Brian Danielson is garbage wrestling? I must admit, the new IWA:MS in 2011 is ultraviolent shit, but 200-2004, is pretty damn good. Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Chris Hero, Chris Sabin, and some of the best wrestlers in the world today came from IWA:MS So... what was that about Cena doing a good match? JOHN CENA CAN'T WRESTLE, ACT, OR EVEN SELL A MOVE CORRECTLY! Besides, The best match ever is CM Punk VS Samoa Joe. XD
@FireFightWrestling Alright, I'll say not all of MS is garbage. Cena can wrestle. He's by no means an outstanding worker, not even close, but he's lightyears better than Kevin Nash, Hogan, Ezekiel Jackson, or a lot of the big guys WWE employs. And I don't agree on Joe-Punk being the best ever, but it's in the top 10 for me, so no reason to bitch about that.
@blueseptember39 True, but what I hate is all of these hypocrites bitching about how they miss the attitude era, or how today sucks, if more people support Punk, then we may begin an entire new era of pro wrestling. Oh, and pretty soon Chris Hero's ROH contract is coming to a close, so maybe we can see it one more time. Anyway, I'm gonna send you a friend request now. BYE!
Just read and saw the whole Mike Levy incident. Poor kid. No one deserves that kind of punishment and what a un-classy and un-professionel A**hole Ian Rotten is. I say put him out of buiseness!
I hate how on Smackdown! he claimed he's never been in a TLC match even though he was involved in arguably the greatest TLC match I've ever seen with none other than Chris Hero.
dammm this is great quality...i like cm punk hair like this better...awsome match chris hero has been doing indy shows 4 a while now i wish TNA or WWE wuld take him...he could be TNAs cm punk or be a tag team wit him in WWE
i agree but eventually the man needs to start makin some money. I mean he is a great wrestler and tho i know he wouldnt be allowed to but on as good of mathces at least in the wwe he should eventually move up to a position were he can make a really nice living
Well ROH is on TV on the Verizon Network now so they're making a lot more money and in turn their wrestlers are making more money so I doubt he's making such a bad living right now.
As much as I want to screw Ian Rotten by putting his stuff on line for free, I do not have the software to rip it from the DVD again, that computer is no longer in my possession. I got this match as the bonus match on the "IWA:MS Fairy Tale" DVD, it is a good show, worth the money alone, and it also has the highest quality version of the match I've been able to find.
I personally preferred him in IWA:MS and other indy promotions. He Had a better work rate and was more innovative (Though his personallity and promo skills exploded in ROH).
I fuckin HATE you SMARKS get over it if you were a wrestler your main goal is WWE not Wrestlin for 25 people in a high school gym. There is no money in that why the fuck you think punk went to WWE money there is no such thing as a wrestler who wants to spend the rest of his life in the indys
There is so much more besides WWE and TNA that is not twenty five people in a gym. Sure, many wreslers would like to go that direction, Punk, Cabana, Sydal, but others like Danielson, Styles, or Aries have turned down WWE contracts. There are other places that you can get good money, have less matches, and experience new crowds. Japan and Mexico most notably, but Europe has a growing fan base right now also.
hey im a wwe fan boy and i know who the fuck danielson is. Actually ive been to numerous ROH shows and 1 IWA ms show... notice i said 1 IWA show. IWA FUCKING SUCKS CHRIIS HEROS BABY DICK
If your a wwe fanboy than go suck john cena or randy ortons dick.Dont comment on something you dont like.Obviously you just got your ass drilled by father when you watch this video.And its obvious you know nothing about wrestling.Chris Hero or bryan danielson is 100 times better than most wwe wrestlers such as batista or khali or mark henry
I don't know the name off hand. It was the second installment of the show, and took place in 2002. I got it as a bonus match on the "IWA:MS Fairy Tale: Hero vs. Dragon".
You should love all pro wrestling if you like any. It's all the same and the whole business grows and dies together. I love ROH, WWE, Chikara, CMLL,NOAH, and WLW because I appreciate what they each bring. If every company was like ROH, it'd be boring as hell. I don't hate Shelton, I was making a point, pro wrestling is a universal language but not a universal dialect, Shelton isn't good because he's notcatering to HIS audience, if he were in ROH, he'd be great, but he's not, he needs to change.
Maxx, I do think that you mean the same thing that I do, but you just word it differently. A "five star match" isn't something that can be proven, it's an opinion. Overness really isn't, you can hear it or see it on the merch sales. Meltzer gave the Dragon Gate 6 man 5 stars,I didn't because I thought it was a total spotfest that would be outdated in 5 years,I'm right,it's already outdated. Meltzer has lost his knowledge because he cares too much about MMA.Again, wrestling is about context.
A good pro wrestling does not put on "5 star" matches. A good pro wrestler is an over wrestler. Don't say some bullshit about who gets pushed either, because Santino has a shit gimmick, but is over, so he's been pushed. Shelton has beaten HHH THREE TIMES and had a program with HBK and as soon as they take him off the teet(as in, put him with someone else to prove he can be over by himself) he fails.He goes back to generic "watch me jump high" Shelton and that doesn't connect with their fans.
WWE is not the platform for a style like Shelton. Like this isn't my soapbox and it shouldn't be yours, but imagine Shelton in a pruo-resu enviroment. Shelton could be a Low Ki character on the indy scene. He could be Rocky Romero in Japan. WWE and TNA both have products that do not endorce the same things as ROH or AAA.
A good wrestler is one that goes for the *****, regardless of the product. You need to adapt and entertain the fans, by being over or delivering in the ring.
No, a good wrestler draws fans. You have to know your audience. Think about it, would you rather have a guy (if you're WWE) who gets the "5 STARZ" from a guy who doesn't really know wrestling like Meltzer, yet isn't over and doesn't draw or a guy who entertains the masses? It's WWE's fanbase, if youre fanbase likes the five star matches, then you need that guy, but a wrestler should always adapt.
Actually, Shelton would be a very generic puro guy because he doesn't tell complex stories.
See, regardless of what you think, pro wrestling is about getting a reaction. Cena could do cool moves, I've seen him, but he doesn't, why? Because he's safer this way and he still gets a very strong reaction from both sides of the audience spectrum. Shelton gets mild reactions from part of the crowd, and the smaller half none-the-less. Your amateur credentials don't mean squat, the bottom line is getting over. Whether you or I like it, that's a fact.
And how do you know he could be making millions in football? Being a great athlete doesn't make you a good football player. Maybe he can't catch that great or run routes as well or remember plays. Being a great athlete only gets you so far in football, just like in pro wrestling, and you and shelton need to realize that especially in pro wrestling you need much MUCH more than athleticism and cool moves to make it huge.
If Shelton had real ability, he'd do more than just jump high, he'd find a way to get a reaction. Look at a guy like Santino, who CAN wrestle, he did shoot style in Japan, he was an MMA fighter, he's very capable of pulling off a badass charcter. Instead they gave him a comedy character, and he's running with it and making the most of his segments.
Yes, turn him heel, that way he can be lost in the shuffle with all the other heels on Raw. Ever think that they needed a good, young, fresh face and Punk fit that. Turning him heel would hurt him. Even though he's a good heel, there aren't enough babyfaces, he needs to be face right now.
Fuck Shelton Benjamin, no charisma, no real ability, he just jumps high and does cool spots in a ladder match once a year, he's totally coutclassed by the other three, push Charlie Haas instead, at least he can speak on the mic without stuttering and put together a match with a coherant story AND "cool moves" (which mean less than most internet fans want to admit).
Yes, I AM serious. Shelton is just a good athlete, that's it. He jumps high and does some cool moves, that doesn't mean he's a great pro wrestler. A great amateur wrestler doesn't make a great pro wrestler BTW. Because pro wrestling is about getting a reaction, no matter how sound you are, if you're not getting a reaction, you suck. It's not the WWE's fault for not pushing him or whatever other BS and it's not the fans fault for not being "real" fans or whatever other BS, it's his.
just a good athlete? if thats all your gonna give him than then call him what he is, a phenomenal athlete. 40" vertical, 4.3 forty, plus amazing strength all at 245 lbs. not to mention a 3 sport all-american in high-school and 2 sport all american in college. this guy could be making millions in the NFL but no, he is a pro wrestler. and he is, in my opinion the best pro-wrestler in WWE.
LOL, the best pro wrestler in the WWE. You DO know that athleticism doesn't really mean a damn thing in pro wrestling. This isn't a "real" sport, it's theater, and he sucks at the theater part. You have to be a good athlete, and sure, he's a great athlete, but he sucks balls at the theater aspect. He's the typical great athlete with no charisma who will never make it in the WWE because he doesn't sell or seem to understand how to structure a pro wrestling match or sell a character.
I believe that Shelton's matches are main event class and he's okay on the mic. He's kinda like a reverse Rock with okay promos and the best style of matches.
See, shelton does cool moves, but can't sell for shit and doesn't tell a story unless he's being led. If you are booing Cena, it's because he wants you to. Think dude, if everyone is making noise (one way or the other) it's a good thing. Ratings haven't gone down, he still sells merch, so why the fuck would you say Cena is doing a bad job.I am not a"Cena mark"or a"WWE mark"I love ROH and NOAH and hate TNA,Shelton Benjamin is nothing special.He's a great athlete who doesn't get pro wrestling.
What's your hate with shelton?Batista may be over but real wrestling fans dislike seeing wwe and turn to the indies because they want to see real wrestling with real wrestling fans.Crowd reactions from a 10 year old doesn't mean anything because they willingly accept the crap handed out by wwe.WWE is entertainment not wrestling.When a script gets criticized for having too much pro wrestling,that company can't be taken as the beacon of pro wrestling
I absolutely, positively HATE the phrase "real wrestling fans" it's so fucking stupid, sports entertainment is just a name Vince uses so he doesn't get the regulations wrestling companies get. Pro wrestling started in carnivals, fucking CARNIVALS, it's supposed to be somewhat over the top and goofy, it's not and never was this sporting thing. And the attitude that you have is what turns a LOT of people off and it's why ROH's numbers are going down at the moment.
No, anything Ian Rotten does needs to be put out of business, he's a classless motherfucker for what he did. Just google search Mike Levy to find out why I (and many other people) hate Ian right now.
whats the title of the song?
greenDEDZ 3 weeks ago
i thought it said Chris Jericho.
I is disapoint.
saintsofanger2 1 month ago
Who's the girl that got tomb-stoned through a table
NANSYPANSY123 1 month ago
That girl is sexy; this match was great!
ICJ3X 1 month ago
INDY or New York this is hands down MATCH of the decade. No EGO two professionals taking bumps and selling for eachother!!! I miss this kind of wrestling. Nice to see, thanks for upload!
Top5trainer 2 months ago
that was kool
nalimohamed1 2 months ago
IWA is 1,000 times better than WWE and TNA combined!
FireFightWrestling 3 months ago 4
@FireFightWrestling totaly dude
MrRyderOrRiot 3 months ago
@FireFightWrestling So a match like Cena-Punk is worse than those talentless hacks and their terrible garbage wrestling? Thats what a lot of IWA:MS was. This match rules, but still. Just a stereotypical smark who swears by anything indy even though a lot of it sucks
blueseptember39 3 months ago
@blueseptember39 really? AJ Styles Vs Brian Danielson is garbage wrestling? I must admit, the new IWA:MS in 2011 is ultraviolent shit, but 200-2004, is pretty damn good. Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Chris Hero, Chris Sabin, and some of the best wrestlers in the world today came from IWA:MS So... what was that about Cena doing a good match? JOHN CENA CAN'T WRESTLE, ACT, OR EVEN SELL A MOVE CORRECTLY! Besides, The best match ever is CM Punk VS Samoa Joe. XD
FireFightWrestling 3 months ago 3
@FireFightWrestling Alright, I'll say not all of MS is garbage. Cena can wrestle. He's by no means an outstanding worker, not even close, but he's lightyears better than Kevin Nash, Hogan, Ezekiel Jackson, or a lot of the big guys WWE employs. And I don't agree on Joe-Punk being the best ever, but it's in the top 10 for me, so no reason to bitch about that.
blueseptember39 3 months ago
@blueseptember39 True, but what I hate is all of these hypocrites bitching about how they miss the attitude era, or how today sucks, if more people support Punk, then we may begin an entire new era of pro wrestling. Oh, and pretty soon Chris Hero's ROH contract is coming to a close, so maybe we can see it one more time. Anyway, I'm gonna send you a friend request now. BYE!
FireFightWrestling 3 months ago
Why was the WWF tag team title the championship? lol
Wrestlingfan2410 4 months ago
wow....that looked like a pretty awesome match
Livingdarts 4 months ago
whats the song in the credits?
RoSs3897 5 months ago
crowd looks dead yet this mtch is better then most wwe main events now adays
BWFfranchise 5 months ago
CM PUNK IS THE BEST WRESTLER IN THE WORLD!
syednadir 5 months ago 4
Holy shit!
sXeSoldier246 5 months ago
Love The Ladder!
WweFanBoy3000 6 months ago
Your Music Rocks!
MemoryFoamMattres100 6 months ago
Im still shocked that he tombstoned that broad through a table. The hell?!
jfierce18 6 months ago
The song is over used but it fits cm punk.
tripleraven 6 months ago
2:23 tough chick
Misa4lifee 7 months ago
1:21 80 % GFW Skill (that's my wrestling prmotion!!!) ^^
fwefilms 7 months ago
Pazzo!
federicolaurenti 8 months ago
Who is Hero's manager?
712hiphop 10 months ago
THIS is how dues are paid.
TheStrigiforme 10 months ago
this is amaizing, one hour in the ring and maybe is for $30 for match :p
ThePirofan1 11 months ago
Dammit I wanna watch this so bad but this shitty music is making my ears bleed!
SVROverlord 11 months ago
I just hope he would have his old moveset.
nirvanaonedge 11 months ago
good match
kevinhardy 11 months ago
damn that ring is dirty!
alexgonzalezwrestlin 1 year ago
Their IWA-MS matches were crazy, they were all marathons. Do you have the 93 minute best of 3 falls match?
chairswingingfreak 1 year ago
Just read and saw the whole Mike Levy incident. Poor kid. No one deserves that kind of punishment and what a un-classy and un-professionel A**hole Ian Rotten is. I say put him out of buiseness!
fatf 1 year ago
@fatf The brat got off lucky. Had it been me, he'd have gotten worse. Its stupid to shoot on someone's student in front of them.
TraciPeteyforlife 1 year ago
great match
kevinhardy 1 year ago
Awesome match, both bodies on the line for the fans and a nice 50 dollar pay check (cash register sound effect)
sledgehammerer1 1 year ago
christ, hero looked heavy. helluva match up though
bcjconnection13 1 year ago
wow what a TLC match that lasted nearly an hour
godsgift2x 1 year ago
and they probably got paid $20 for the night
coreylovesskating 2 years ago 3
Hero looks like such a fat slob here. He's really worked hard to get where he is now.
OriginalLawnmower 2 years ago
Damn That ring is F**k Up!!!!! It Looked like people Just Bled, Sweated, Shit, and Pissed all over It!!!!!
wdillett 2 years ago
Well during that era of IWA, there were TONS of Barefoot Thumbtack matches.
chainsawproof99 1 year ago
what is that move at 2:56? it looks fucking nuts! good match between two good wrestlers!
creamovsumyungguy 2 years ago
@creamovsumyungguy its a double underhook piledriver
katie2700xxx 1 year ago
Ho-ly fuck me 4 times, I never knew CM Punk and Chris Hero had a match against each other.
GuerillaBlack87 2 years ago
They Had An EPIC 90 Min Match Once
Badgerlord31 1 year ago
I hate how on Smackdown! he claimed he's never been in a TLC match even though he was involved in arguably the greatest TLC match I've ever seen with none other than Chris Hero.
knapman22 2 years ago
dammm this is great quality...i like cm punk hair like this better...awsome match chris hero has been doing indy shows 4 a while now i wish TNA or WWE wuld take him...he could be TNAs cm punk or be a tag team wit him in WWE
LoneGabriel 2 years ago
no way man. he is where he should be right now. in ROH.
SeetherandWWETNA 2 years ago
i agree but eventually the man needs to start makin some money. I mean he is a great wrestler and tho i know he wouldnt be allowed to but on as good of mathces at least in the wwe he should eventually move up to a position were he can make a really nice living
BURNINGHAMMER76 2 years ago
Well ROH is on TV on the Verizon Network now so they're making a lot more money and in turn their wrestlers are making more money so I doubt he's making such a bad living right now.
SeetherandWWETNA 2 years ago
He'd get released in a month
nodqisme222 2 years ago
nice belt CM PUNK haha
SadExchange 2 years ago
Match of whatever year that was....
enigmadogg91 2 years ago
This was IWA:MS's last show in that arena.
UtubeMohdV2 3 years ago
great match great song awesome vid
RicRage911 3 years ago
good finish
cryptkeepr1212 3 years ago
dang i didnt know cm punk was in this shit! is he still doing this cause i know hes in raw on wwe. CZW STILL KICKS ASS THOUGH
brandonman24 3 years ago
was cm punk ever in czw?
and is iwa international wrestling assosiation?
MileysBigggestFan 3 years ago
This IWA stands for independant wrestling association, as for Punk in CZW I could be wrong but I don't think he was.
DeliriousFan01 3 years ago
no Punk didn't he like pure wrestling so that's why he likes ROH
megamanwwe 3 years ago
PROBABLY the best CM PUNK video on youtube its clos with another one though real close that one is him vs Brian DAnielson
JaredWoodsTheReal1 3 years ago
ta de muerte siii XD
XM punk te amoo
puroglamur88 3 years ago
What year was this, looks like an awesome match.
aussie4life05 3 years ago 10
2002
MaxxHero 3 years ago 3
Please dude put this match on Megaupload and post it in the description PLEASE i need this in good quality
aussie4life05 3 years ago 5
As much as I want to screw Ian Rotten by putting his stuff on line for free, I do not have the software to rip it from the DVD again, that computer is no longer in my possession. I got this match as the bonus match on the "IWA:MS Fairy Tale" DVD, it is a good show, worth the money alone, and it also has the highest quality version of the match I've been able to find.
MaxxHero 3 years ago 4
Oh okay then. Thats fine.
aussie4life05 3 years ago
Chris Hero > Cm Punk
SimonG616 3 years ago
I second that :-) Chris Hero is the best ever !!! He knows so many dificult moves I respect him. What a great match.
kidda2 3 years ago
Sweet u seconded my oppinion
JaredWoodsTheReal1 3 years ago
not only knows all the great moves, but knows when to use them
RapistMonkey 3 years ago
Crap song, but good match and video
ozzyismetal 3 years ago
good
hairytoes17 3 years ago
nice match 5/5
xjakeyx13 3 years ago
Fuck chris hero
chaquank 3 years ago
cm punk was way better on ROH
Jorgerobr 3 years ago 5
I personally preferred him in IWA:MS and other indy promotions. He Had a better work rate and was more innovative (Though his personallity and promo skills exploded in ROH).
MaxxHero 3 years ago 8
yeah but i was talking more about what he is now on wwe he just lost so many abilities
Jorgerobr 3 years ago
and to think these 2 hate each other at the best of times, but still showed amazing sportsmanshi
FACEtheDARK 3 years ago
loving their title belt - replica of the WWF tag team titles (bet its the plastic one as well)
benjones777 3 years ago
I fuckin HATE you SMARKS get over it if you were a wrestler your main goal is WWE not Wrestlin for 25 people in a high school gym. There is no money in that why the fuck you think punk went to WWE money there is no such thing as a wrestler who wants to spend the rest of his life in the indys
shauny83 3 years ago
There is so much more besides WWE and TNA that is not twenty five people in a gym. Sure, many wreslers would like to go that direction, Punk, Cabana, Sydal, but others like Danielson, Styles, or Aries have turned down WWE contracts. There are other places that you can get good money, have less matches, and experience new crowds. Japan and Mexico most notably, but Europe has a growing fan base right now also.
MaxxHero 3 years ago
I agree with everything you say shauny is a dumb wwe fanboy.Thats why he knows nothing about indy wrestlers like Danielson
ECWHavoc 3 years ago 3
hey im a wwe fan boy and i know who the fuck danielson is. Actually ive been to numerous ROH shows and 1 IWA ms show... notice i said 1 IWA show. IWA FUCKING SUCKS CHRIIS HEROS BABY DICK
chaquank 3 years ago
If your a wwe fanboy than go suck john cena or randy ortons dick.Dont comment on something you dont like.Obviously you just got your ass drilled by father when you watch this video.And its obvious you know nothing about wrestling.Chris Hero or bryan danielson is 100 times better than most wwe wrestlers such as batista or khali or mark henry
ECWHavoc 3 years ago 2
who's hero's manager in this match?
Firegod619 3 years ago
Naudia Nice
MaxxHero 3 years ago
what iwa-ms event was this from?
almoney48 3 years ago
I don't know the name off hand. It was the second installment of the show, and took place in 2002. I got it as a bonus match on the "IWA:MS Fairy Tale: Hero vs. Dragon".
MaxxHero 3 years ago
from this to heavyweight champ wow
ElementGames 3 years ago
shelton benjamin is NOT "okay on the mic" he is shocking.Mike Knox cuts a better promo.
charliemanson666 3 years ago
You should love all pro wrestling if you like any. It's all the same and the whole business grows and dies together. I love ROH, WWE, Chikara, CMLL,NOAH, and WLW because I appreciate what they each bring. If every company was like ROH, it'd be boring as hell. I don't hate Shelton, I was making a point, pro wrestling is a universal language but not a universal dialect, Shelton isn't good because he's notcatering to HIS audience, if he were in ROH, he'd be great, but he's not, he needs to change.
Anglefan12 3 years ago 3
Maxx, I do think that you mean the same thing that I do, but you just word it differently. A "five star match" isn't something that can be proven, it's an opinion. Overness really isn't, you can hear it or see it on the merch sales. Meltzer gave the Dragon Gate 6 man 5 stars,I didn't because I thought it was a total spotfest that would be outdated in 5 years,I'm right,it's already outdated. Meltzer has lost his knowledge because he cares too much about MMA.Again, wrestling is about context.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
A good pro wrestling does not put on "5 star" matches. A good pro wrestler is an over wrestler. Don't say some bullshit about who gets pushed either, because Santino has a shit gimmick, but is over, so he's been pushed. Shelton has beaten HHH THREE TIMES and had a program with HBK and as soon as they take him off the teet(as in, put him with someone else to prove he can be over by himself) he fails.He goes back to generic "watch me jump high" Shelton and that doesn't connect with their fans.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
WWE is not the platform for a style like Shelton. Like this isn't my soapbox and it shouldn't be yours, but imagine Shelton in a pruo-resu enviroment. Shelton could be a Low Ki character on the indy scene. He could be Rocky Romero in Japan. WWE and TNA both have products that do not endorce the same things as ROH or AAA.
A good wrestler is one that goes for the *****, regardless of the product. You need to adapt and entertain the fans, by being over or delivering in the ring.
MaxxHero 3 years ago
No, a good wrestler draws fans. You have to know your audience. Think about it, would you rather have a guy (if you're WWE) who gets the "5 STARZ" from a guy who doesn't really know wrestling like Meltzer, yet isn't over and doesn't draw or a guy who entertains the masses? It's WWE's fanbase, if youre fanbase likes the five star matches, then you need that guy, but a wrestler should always adapt.
Actually, Shelton would be a very generic puro guy because he doesn't tell complex stories.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
See, regardless of what you think, pro wrestling is about getting a reaction. Cena could do cool moves, I've seen him, but he doesn't, why? Because he's safer this way and he still gets a very strong reaction from both sides of the audience spectrum. Shelton gets mild reactions from part of the crowd, and the smaller half none-the-less. Your amateur credentials don't mean squat, the bottom line is getting over. Whether you or I like it, that's a fact.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
And how do you know he could be making millions in football? Being a great athlete doesn't make you a good football player. Maybe he can't catch that great or run routes as well or remember plays. Being a great athlete only gets you so far in football, just like in pro wrestling, and you and shelton need to realize that especially in pro wrestling you need much MUCH more than athleticism and cool moves to make it huge.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
If Shelton had real ability, he'd do more than just jump high, he'd find a way to get a reaction. Look at a guy like Santino, who CAN wrestle, he did shoot style in Japan, he was an MMA fighter, he's very capable of pulling off a badass charcter. Instead they gave him a comedy character, and he's running with it and making the most of his segments.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
This is the Cm Punk we all loved to know, too bad WWE won't turn him heel.
tjmack010 3 years ago 3
Yes, turn him heel, that way he can be lost in the shuffle with all the other heels on Raw. Ever think that they needed a good, young, fresh face and Punk fit that. Turning him heel would hurt him. Even though he's a good heel, there aren't enough babyfaces, he needs to be face right now.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
@tjmack010 They did now.
diezombie66 1 year ago
bitch ass cm punk hero really won this match but great match
TrueRatedRSuperstar 3 years ago
i want to see cm punk vs. shelton benjamin vs. kofi kingston vs. evan bourne (matt sydal) in a ladder match for the ecw championship at summerslam.
hurdlechamp 3 years ago
yeah one day matt sydal wil be ECW champion i just know it he will be the next cena...IN A GOOD WAY!
TrueRatedRSuperstar 3 years ago
Fuck Shelton Benjamin, no charisma, no real ability, he just jumps high and does cool spots in a ladder match once a year, he's totally coutclassed by the other three, push Charlie Haas instead, at least he can speak on the mic without stuttering and put together a match with a coherant story AND "cool moves" (which mean less than most internet fans want to admit).
Anglefan12 3 years ago
no real ability, are you serios dude?
danverinodude 3 years ago
Yes, I AM serious. Shelton is just a good athlete, that's it. He jumps high and does some cool moves, that doesn't mean he's a great pro wrestler. A great amateur wrestler doesn't make a great pro wrestler BTW. Because pro wrestling is about getting a reaction, no matter how sound you are, if you're not getting a reaction, you suck. It's not the WWE's fault for not pushing him or whatever other BS and it's not the fans fault for not being "real" fans or whatever other BS, it's his.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
just a good athlete? if thats all your gonna give him than then call him what he is, a phenomenal athlete. 40" vertical, 4.3 forty, plus amazing strength all at 245 lbs. not to mention a 3 sport all-american in high-school and 2 sport all american in college. this guy could be making millions in the NFL but no, he is a pro wrestler. and he is, in my opinion the best pro-wrestler in WWE.
hurdlechamp 3 years ago
LOL, the best pro wrestler in the WWE. You DO know that athleticism doesn't really mean a damn thing in pro wrestling. This isn't a "real" sport, it's theater, and he sucks at the theater part. You have to be a good athlete, and sure, he's a great athlete, but he sucks balls at the theater aspect. He's the typical great athlete with no charisma who will never make it in the WWE because he doesn't sell or seem to understand how to structure a pro wrestling match or sell a character.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
I believe that Shelton's matches are main event class and he's okay on the mic. He's kinda like a reverse Rock with okay promos and the best style of matches.
utdfan23 3 years ago
See, shelton does cool moves, but can't sell for shit and doesn't tell a story unless he's being led. If you are booing Cena, it's because he wants you to. Think dude, if everyone is making noise (one way or the other) it's a good thing. Ratings haven't gone down, he still sells merch, so why the fuck would you say Cena is doing a bad job.I am not a"Cena mark"or a"WWE mark"I love ROH and NOAH and hate TNA,Shelton Benjamin is nothing special.He's a great athlete who doesn't get pro wrestling.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
What's your hate with shelton?Batista may be over but real wrestling fans dislike seeing wwe and turn to the indies because they want to see real wrestling with real wrestling fans.Crowd reactions from a 10 year old doesn't mean anything because they willingly accept the crap handed out by wwe.WWE is entertainment not wrestling.When a script gets criticized for having too much pro wrestling,that company can't be taken as the beacon of pro wrestling
EdwardCletusKasidy 3 years ago 2
I absolutely, positively HATE the phrase "real wrestling fans" it's so fucking stupid, sports entertainment is just a name Vince uses so he doesn't get the regulations wrestling companies get. Pro wrestling started in carnivals, fucking CARNIVALS, it's supposed to be somewhat over the top and goofy, it's not and never was this sporting thing. And the attitude that you have is what turns a LOT of people off and it's why ROH's numbers are going down at the moment.
Anglefan12 3 years ago
cm punk is amazing he needs to be heel in wwe! he'd be alot better!
kdav89 3 years ago
damn good match!!!
dmfalc 3 years ago
Hero rocks!
0HardcoreLegend0 3 years ago
Great Match to bad IWA's best days are behind them
GriffinWE 3 years ago
Nice vid.
JMRXZ 3 years ago
If more people watch this vid, it should bring more popularity to IWA:MS. IWA:MS is a great indy wrestling organization that deserves more attention.
gotwins2k5 3 years ago
Obviously you haven't read the results of last nights show. My goodness it was terrible.
MaxxHero 3 years ago
No, anything Ian Rotten does needs to be put out of business, he's a classless motherfucker for what he did. Just google search Mike Levy to find out why I (and many other people) hate Ian right now.
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