@FreeMarketLibertaria Have you read Kropotkin? Through an array of empirical evidence, even if he didn't totally prove that humans are intrinsically co-operative, he at the very least, proved they are definintely not intrinsically competitive. In fact its proved time and time again, that the most competitive and thus socially isolated species, are more likely to become extinct. Sociability is the source of survival. Its competitive capitalism that built up the strawman of the 'freerider'.
Ask yourself the question: How can corporations / big bussiness get control?
Answer: Through government legislation! Government interferes with the market, which shifts control to large companies and prevents competition. Capitalism in its pure form is the answer to economic freedom!
Just know that the salad days of cooperation were much much longer than the period we are in now.We are actually more hard wired for extreme cooperation than for competition.
Egalitarianism is what transformed modern governments. The terms Left and egalitarianism are synonymous and always lead to a more democratic, representative government.
The problems arise through the right's use of pandering propaganda, to turn the progressives back to "individualism" that leads to fascism.
I don't want a "smaller government"(necessarily), I just want a govt. that is a more balanced representation of the actual citizens. "Re-regulation" if you will, not "deregulation".
I like your videos, can I ask what you think of a philosophy like Distributism, which is not associated with the left, but has some clear similarities with Mutualism?
does left libertarianism advocate for a secular society in which no religious majority dictates what others do? ... it would seem that this 'power of the people' thing would advocate a majority voice stamping out the minority which is a problem here in America because the majority are Christian authoritarians....
@robertjohnson1337 becuz, africans are the ''first'' homosapiens they are one of the first to form communities and language, we moved out of africa thousands of years ago. Migrating to Middle East, Far east, europe, the north america via modern eastern russia, moving through south america.
So fascinating... the sad thing is I was telling a family friend that I'm a left-libertarian and they just heard "libertarian", thought of Ron Paul and got all pissy.
@ColinN16 democracy is the best option for a large population for the sake of freedom and efficiency. consent based societies take forever and authoritarian ones destroy freedom. so democracy is the mean
@postindustrialist: I agree that people form groups by their nature. However, hierarchies are created by the internal structures of a particular society. I also like sanitation and telephone service and I would agree with you that I would not want to go back to mud huts. What does that have to do with the video? I think you misunderstood me.
Wow. This was a while ago. I think my point with people grouping is that people would organize, hierarchies would form and from that, it's only a matter of time before certain groups dominate others, and in the process of doing such, would eventually lead to governments in one form or another. The most likely being similar to monarchies. The progression towards government, and for governments to increase n both size and scope is natural. (Char. count sucks on you tube)
What we see today is the end result of that natural progression from a minimal governed society to a much more maximaly governed group of societies. (though the US's representative democracy is not the most oppressive form of governance). I also think population size also dictates the need for governance. The more people there are, the greater the need for society to move more fluidly. I also believe that Libertarianism in general idealizes an individual's nature in other ways...
assuming people will do the right thing, and that people want things that are "good", however in practice, people are very self serving and short sighted. Any sort' of a weak minimalist government' success depends on this. It sounds harsh I suppose, but I do not foresee this happening without changing the nature of each individual to make them all highly rational, benevolent, and gregarious individuals.
Which are the ideals of the people you get into towards the end of this section and the beginning of the next. (these comments regard the whole I probably should have posted at the end of the second)
The thinkers of the late 18th century were primarily romantics and were enjoying a renaissance of intellect and knowledge, science was growing and the industrial revolution was just beginning in parts of Europe. Not only this, but the general theme in literature and poetry was that of the...
noble savage. Their ideas only go hand in hand with the general feelings at the time and a reaction, not against governments like you and I witness today, but monarchies, and work wasn't a slave to the industrial engine, but being a slave to the fields. (Sidenote: hoping to read some Wiliam Morris tonight. Socialism and the arts and crafts movement.. sounds good). The US was, at the time a social experiment of sorts regarding the ideas of self rule set forth in....
Our first experiment, the articles of the confederation, failed due to too much decentralized government, and the actions of states against each other, which is what tends to happen as you give greater power to the smaller groups. As for sanitation and other issues, think about it. Things like sanitation and public works tend to only exist in governments with greater centralized power. It's just a necessity. Government being right or wrong: another matter.
I should also point out, I'm not against socialist libertarianism in its IDEA.
I just think it relies on an idealized human nature that we unfortunately do not possess. I also am very much a socialist, but unfortunately I'm for a stronger centralized government, which allows for the best in humanity, but does its best to prevent the products of the worst in mankind to manifest. It's a VERY tricky thing to create/maintain.
@postindustrialist: Thanks for the reply. As you said, the word count on YT blows. I'll send to a PM explaining why I think you have a misunderstanding of my position.
I suggest you look into the Anarchist FAQ (or something) there's a FAQ that says "does anarchism need perfect people to work with" where it explains it. I used to be a socialist as well but centralized power always corrupts and therefore takes away the chance "for the best of humanity", we can examine this both now and in the past.
@postindustrialist See, while Republicans think we're all crazy here, i might be even farther out there then you two. But, i feel that Terence Mckenna was on to something with his "psychedelic society" notion. natural entheogen's tend to bring out the best in people, overall. and so, in the kind of society TLL promotes (and myself) personal freedom would be tantamount to existence. therefor the freedom to use entheogen's to make ourselves have the, "idealized human nature" would be possible.
@TheLeftLibertarian If that's the case, I'm curious what would happen to public education, transportation, sanitation, postal service, telephone service, etc. Would there still be a democratic administration in place to organize these public services based on the wills of the people?
@TheLeftLibertarian I think what he was trying to say was, per the definition of Left-Libertarianism that states that there should be no Government, yet people should voluntarily agree to a Socialized society where everyone works for the common-good, and not themselves, is impossible. If we abolish all governments and wake up in the wild tomorrow, all it takes is one individual with leadership skills, to start forming a regime, which turns into a Government. But what kind of Govt.
Well anarchism wont abolish hierarchy in its entire (at least I do not advocate it...) but it will abolish coercive hierarchies. Telephone service and sanitation are very well sustainable in an anarchist society.
@postindustrialist i don't see it as going to mud huts w/o phones or garbage men......but rather, the garbage man's position will be valued more b/c of the nature and productivity of the work....we'd have labor and intellectual jobs....both well payed.....no more market economy = no more finance jobs, freeing up labor to do ACTUAL PRODUCTIVE WORK....still, this model needs to evolve b4 becoming a viable economic theory
If forming heirarchies are just a part of human nature then why did you begin your post with "i'm sorry". You see authoritarian institutions as a problem too then? So do I. Weird I think l bleed red too.
...However, human behavior is self-organizing and softly assembled. Likewise, the behavior of a society would self-organized and softly assembled. In the absence of laws, society would still be highly ordered, but it would not preclude the dynamic nature of the system - allowing individuals the absolute freedom of association necessary for liberty. This is an important point to make, because statists assert that law, state, and government are necessary for order - however, this is not the case.
Again, an excellent, articulate video. You touch on something very important here when you mention that society should be a dynamic and self-perfecting system. I agree entirely, especially if you analyze society from a dynamic systems perspective. Social order is an emergent and dynamic behavior of the compression of degrees of freedom of the individual members of a society. Laws are artificial human constructs aimed at crystallizing and manipulating this emergent and dynamic behavior...
@MassLiberal1: Left libertarians never originated it in the first place. The term "libertarian" was originally a philosophical term used by Enlightenment thinkers to describe those who believed in free will. It was first applied to politics by an anarcho-communist named Joseph Déjacque, sure, but it was simply a new use of an old term (plus, he said it in French, not in English :D). Free-market libertarianism was originally a leftist stance until Goldwater and Buckley changed U.S. conservatism.
It is a major shame that regulatory statist reformists have stolen and abused the word "liberal", and then have the gall to claim that they're left-libertarians.
I wouldn't say Aristotle was a Left Libertarian. Actually in his political writings he justifies a number of forms of hierarchy such as slavery and the subjugation of Women in the family. He justified them as natutal, which isn't hard to udnestand as these beliefs came out of the society he lived in which is sexist and had chattel slaves.
@manicmetropolis: I havent read Aristotle in 10 years so I cant really respond. But from what I remember, I dont think they are talking about the same thing. By Left, Im not referring to the Democratic Party but the Left that emerged in reaction to the Industrial Revolution. And by Libertarian, I dont mean the Right Wing Libertarian party in the US. Instead, Im referring to many of the ideas of the Enlightenment Philosophers that were anti-state.
well, there are people who know how to deal with money and there are people who dont.
nlmindcontroller 3 months ago
Im a left libertarian and I approve this message
germieb 4 months ago
@FreeMarketLibertaria Have you read Kropotkin? Through an array of empirical evidence, even if he didn't totally prove that humans are intrinsically co-operative, he at the very least, proved they are definintely not intrinsically competitive. In fact its proved time and time again, that the most competitive and thus socially isolated species, are more likely to become extinct. Sociability is the source of survival. Its competitive capitalism that built up the strawman of the 'freerider'.
dm18876 7 months ago
whats the difference between monarch and king feudalism and aristocracy
death9719 7 months ago
Ask yourself the question: How can corporations / big bussiness get control?
Answer: Through government legislation! Government interferes with the market, which shifts control to large companies and prevents competition. Capitalism in its pure form is the answer to economic freedom!
heavym3tal 8 months ago
Just know that the salad days of cooperation were much much longer than the period we are in now.We are actually more hard wired for extreme cooperation than for competition.
soundsdreamy 8 months ago
Egalitarianism is what transformed modern governments. The terms Left and egalitarianism are synonymous and always lead to a more democratic, representative government.
The problems arise through the right's use of pandering propaganda, to turn the progressives back to "individualism" that leads to fascism.
I don't want a "smaller government"(necessarily), I just want a govt. that is a more balanced representation of the actual citizens. "Re-regulation" if you will, not "deregulation".
g4macdad 9 months ago
All leftism is stupid.
Nobody has rights.
Equality is a myth.
No one owes anything to anyone else.
I don't give a shit about racism, sexism or homophobia.
Fuck LLs.
OutlawCongress 9 months ago
I took a political quiz and got the bottom left of the political compass, am I in the right place?!
ShinobiBoiX 9 months ago
@ShinobiBoiX You sure are, my friend
raidon04 9 months ago
I like your videos, can I ask what you think of a philosophy like Distributism, which is not associated with the left, but has some clear similarities with Mutualism?
maximuslaurius 11 months ago
How do left libertarians feel about guns?
SequoyahFox 11 months ago
does left libertarianism advocate for a secular society in which no religious majority dictates what others do? ... it would seem that this 'power of the people' thing would advocate a majority voice stamping out the minority which is a problem here in America because the majority are Christian authoritarians....
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@robertjohnson1337 becuz, africans are the ''first'' homosapiens they are one of the first to form communities and language, we moved out of africa thousands of years ago. Migrating to Middle East, Far east, europe, the north america via modern eastern russia, moving through south america.
vinsong 1 year ago
So fascinating... the sad thing is I was telling a family friend that I'm a left-libertarian and they just heard "libertarian", thought of Ron Paul and got all pissy.
vaguelyhumanoid 1 year ago
Great video!
eatadicc 1 year ago
Give back the word "liberal" and we will give back the word "libertarian".
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@ColinN16 democracy is the best option for a large population for the sake of freedom and efficiency. consent based societies take forever and authoritarian ones destroy freedom. so democracy is the mean
chrispollock 1 year ago
@ColinN16 thank god we have a constitutional republic!
sciencemunk 1 year ago
Why is the music necessary?
Oyaji291 1 year ago
Awsome video. Most people should watch this. Cause it is very true.
neocryptz 2 years ago
good shit
jamesarongray 2 years ago
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I'm sorry, but people form groups by their nature. and groups for heirarchies. and as groups grow bigger, governments start to naturally form.
Besides, I LIKE public works like sanitation and telephone service. I don't want to go back to mud huts.
postindustrialist 2 years ago
@postindustrialist: I agree that people form groups by their nature. However, hierarchies are created by the internal structures of a particular society. I also like sanitation and telephone service and I would agree with you that I would not want to go back to mud huts. What does that have to do with the video? I think you misunderstood me.
TheLeftLibertarian 2 years ago 17
Wow. This was a while ago. I think my point with people grouping is that people would organize, hierarchies would form and from that, it's only a matter of time before certain groups dominate others, and in the process of doing such, would eventually lead to governments in one form or another. The most likely being similar to monarchies. The progression towards government, and for governments to increase n both size and scope is natural. (Char. count sucks on you tube)
postindustrialist 2 years ago
What we see today is the end result of that natural progression from a minimal governed society to a much more maximaly governed group of societies. (though the US's representative democracy is not the most oppressive form of governance). I also think population size also dictates the need for governance. The more people there are, the greater the need for society to move more fluidly. I also believe that Libertarianism in general idealizes an individual's nature in other ways...
postindustrialist 2 years ago
assuming people will do the right thing, and that people want things that are "good", however in practice, people are very self serving and short sighted. Any sort' of a weak minimalist government' success depends on this. It sounds harsh I suppose, but I do not foresee this happening without changing the nature of each individual to make them all highly rational, benevolent, and gregarious individuals.
postindustrialist 2 years ago
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postindustrialist 2 years ago
Which are the ideals of the people you get into towards the end of this section and the beginning of the next. (these comments regard the whole I probably should have posted at the end of the second)
The thinkers of the late 18th century were primarily romantics and were enjoying a renaissance of intellect and knowledge, science was growing and the industrial revolution was just beginning in parts of Europe. Not only this, but the general theme in literature and poetry was that of the...
postindustrialist 2 years ago
noble savage. Their ideas only go hand in hand with the general feelings at the time and a reaction, not against governments like you and I witness today, but monarchies, and work wasn't a slave to the industrial engine, but being a slave to the fields. (Sidenote: hoping to read some Wiliam Morris tonight. Socialism and the arts and crafts movement.. sounds good). The US was, at the time a social experiment of sorts regarding the ideas of self rule set forth in....
postindustrialist 2 years ago
somewhat by these philosophers.
Our first experiment, the articles of the confederation, failed due to too much decentralized government, and the actions of states against each other, which is what tends to happen as you give greater power to the smaller groups. As for sanitation and other issues, think about it. Things like sanitation and public works tend to only exist in governments with greater centralized power. It's just a necessity. Government being right or wrong: another matter.
postindustrialist 2 years ago
I should also point out, I'm not against socialist libertarianism in its IDEA.
I just think it relies on an idealized human nature that we unfortunately do not possess. I also am very much a socialist, but unfortunately I'm for a stronger centralized government, which allows for the best in humanity, but does its best to prevent the products of the worst in mankind to manifest. It's a VERY tricky thing to create/maintain.
postindustrialist 2 years ago
@postindustrialist: Thanks for the reply. As you said, the word count on YT blows. I'll send to a PM explaining why I think you have a misunderstanding of my position.
TheLeftLibertarian 2 years ago
Look at what happened in anarchist Spain - it worked until Franco crushed them.
PersianPaladin 2 years ago
@postindustrialist
I suggest you look into the Anarchist FAQ (or something) there's a FAQ that says "does anarchism need perfect people to work with" where it explains it. I used to be a socialist as well but centralized power always corrupts and therefore takes away the chance "for the best of humanity", we can examine this both now and in the past.
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
@postindustrialist See, while Republicans think we're all crazy here, i might be even farther out there then you two. But, i feel that Terence Mckenna was on to something with his "psychedelic society" notion. natural entheogen's tend to bring out the best in people, overall. and so, in the kind of society TLL promotes (and myself) personal freedom would be tantamount to existence. therefor the freedom to use entheogen's to make ourselves have the, "idealized human nature" would be possible.
highjinksification 1 year ago
@TheLeftLibertarian If that's the case, I'm curious what would happen to public education, transportation, sanitation, postal service, telephone service, etc. Would there still be a democratic administration in place to organize these public services based on the wills of the people?
nocturnezero 1 year ago
@TheLeftLibertarian yes look at the amazonian tribes
death9719 7 months ago
@TheLeftLibertarian I think what he was trying to say was, per the definition of Left-Libertarianism that states that there should be no Government, yet people should voluntarily agree to a Socialized society where everyone works for the common-good, and not themselves, is impossible. If we abolish all governments and wake up in the wild tomorrow, all it takes is one individual with leadership skills, to start forming a regime, which turns into a Government. But what kind of Govt.
cupocity303 5 months ago
@postindustrialist
Well anarchism wont abolish hierarchy in its entire (at least I do not advocate it...) but it will abolish coercive hierarchies. Telephone service and sanitation are very well sustainable in an anarchist society.
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
@postindustrialist Dumbass. You're too ignorant to have any right to an opinion.
OutlawCongress 9 months ago
@postindustrialist i don't see it as going to mud huts w/o phones or garbage men......but rather, the garbage man's position will be valued more b/c of the nature and productivity of the work....we'd have labor and intellectual jobs....both well payed.....no more market economy = no more finance jobs, freeing up labor to do ACTUAL PRODUCTIVE WORK....still, this model needs to evolve b4 becoming a viable economic theory
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@postindustrialist
If forming heirarchies are just a part of human nature then why did you begin your post with "i'm sorry". You see authoritarian institutions as a problem too then? So do I. Weird I think l bleed red too.
catbuffalo 4 months ago
...However, human behavior is self-organizing and softly assembled. Likewise, the behavior of a society would self-organized and softly assembled. In the absence of laws, society would still be highly ordered, but it would not preclude the dynamic nature of the system - allowing individuals the absolute freedom of association necessary for liberty. This is an important point to make, because statists assert that law, state, and government are necessary for order - however, this is not the case.
landfillpoet 2 years ago
Again, an excellent, articulate video. You touch on something very important here when you mention that society should be a dynamic and self-perfecting system. I agree entirely, especially if you analyze society from a dynamic systems perspective. Social order is an emergent and dynamic behavior of the compression of degrees of freedom of the individual members of a society. Laws are artificial human constructs aimed at crystallizing and manipulating this emergent and dynamic behavior...
landfillpoet 2 years ago
Awesome video, man!
darknut79 2 years ago
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libs are nazi mother fuckers
KGC1863 2 years ago
It is a major shame the neoliberals have stolen and abused the word 'libertarian'. Left libertarians should try to take it back!
MassLiberal1 2 years ago 32
@MassLiberal1: Left libertarians never originated it in the first place. The term "libertarian" was originally a philosophical term used by Enlightenment thinkers to describe those who believed in free will. It was first applied to politics by an anarcho-communist named Joseph Déjacque, sure, but it was simply a new use of an old term (plus, he said it in French, not in English :D). Free-market libertarianism was originally a leftist stance until Goldwater and Buckley changed U.S. conservatism.
Stigmata742 2 years ago
@MassLiberal1
We're fine with that, but then can we have back "liberal"?
shine2rust 1 year ago
@MassLiberal1
It is a major shame that regulatory statist reformists have stolen and abused the word "liberal", and then have the gall to claim that they're left-libertarians.
vaguelyhumanoid 1 year ago
@MassLiberal1. 1) libertarianism has never been linked with collectivism.
2) you commies were the ones to steal the word anarchist from us pro individual pro market people.
tonygmilan7 7 months ago
@tonygmilan7
Source?
catbuffalo 1 month ago
This video defines very well why left libertarianism is the best form of government. 5 * and favorited!
DaLeftLibertarian 2 years ago 2
Hell yeah!
MassLiberal1 2 years ago
Very well made video.
PersianPaladin 2 years ago
The music is from the film "American Beauty".
PersianPaladin 2 years ago
i know its by thomas newman but i dont know the song name sry
psion0027 2 years ago
Keep up the good work man.
vincevince801 2 years ago
Anyone know what cartoon that clip is from with the 40s looking bouncey elephants and donkeys? I really want to see that
d3p3ch3mod3 2 years ago
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Aristotle was certainly not a left libertarian.
Skobrin 2 years ago
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Skobrin 2 years ago
I wouldn't say Aristotle was a Left Libertarian. Actually in his political writings he justifies a number of forms of hierarchy such as slavery and the subjugation of Women in the family. He justified them as natutal, which isn't hard to udnestand as these beliefs came out of the society he lived in which is sexist and had chattel slaves.
FA8T 2 years ago 6
@manicmetropolis: I havent read Aristotle in 10 years so I cant really respond. But from what I remember, I dont think they are talking about the same thing. By Left, Im not referring to the Democratic Party but the Left that emerged in reaction to the Industrial Revolution. And by Libertarian, I dont mean the Right Wing Libertarian party in the US. Instead, Im referring to many of the ideas of the Enlightenment Philosophers that were anti-state.
TheLeftLibertarian 2 years ago
Great Video! thanks
kaza999t 2 years ago 3
Thanks for the comment. There is plenty more to come.
TheLeftLibertarian 2 years ago