A Demonstration of Gurdjieff Sacred Dances_1 神聖舞蹈

[Rodja011]

I dont like it.. I dont feel in it this what I strongely feel whrn I see the Gurdjeff dance.. It seems to me a kind of imitation o the surface.. Osho dont convince me at all..

[CorporalNym]

Looks like they are riding invisible ponies whilst suffering from Haemorrhoids.

Haemorroids are great way of doing the work- especially if they are bleeding.

[zeeartist]

Looks like something at the opening ceremony of the Olympics.

[12345678981540]

So mindless but beauty full on the center 1.

[DSXmachine]

There are many paths to enlightenment. The Gurdjieff-Ouspensky path is for those who like to make things very complicated, IMO.

[BaalZobel]

yes, this I have found to be true. The truth is simple, but for some too simple to be true, so they need to make the path harder to make their eventual discovery seem more meaninful.

[videocanone]

@BillSalem - Thanks, I had the same impression but did not have a good label for it, 'head dance' is a great description ! Perhaps this crew was new to this dance, a novice class perhaps, and that with time and practice it would flow better. Perhaps this was done for a documentary on G by persons who were not followers ? I knew he studied the Dervishes, so I have to assume the dances he was interested in had the ability to induce trance or liberate supressed energies.

I did not feel that here.

[razorr1920]

the video title and content are complimenting..........all human acts and including those of nature can be criticized......perhaps the enlightened never new criticism but i learned it all my life.....accepting things as they are is no more seen but looks like everything is susceptible to criticism. such is my wisdom and such has my life become....pseudo...... for the enlightened said I KNOW NOTHING.

[videocanone]

The dancers seem a bit stiff, shouldn't dance FLOW ? the music would suggest some joy based, but the cadence too is a bit stiff. If the point is to liberate the spirit within, shouldn't the end result demonstrate the joy of the dancer, the dancing, and the dance ? the trinity of being and movement ? The dancers and musicians here are doing it by the numbers and need to stretch before dancing. A spritely dance would be more spritually liberating, a dance should put a smile on your face.

[BillSalem]

@videocanone Well said. Here, the moves seem more about the intellect than the moving center. Real dancers would call this a "head dance". I have the impression the goal is less about the dance than about not "identifying" with the stilted, repetitious dance moves. Did G. really make up this dance, himself, as he did most of the "work" dances? I doubt the "authenticity" of this dance. But if it is, it was surely done for a certain time, a certain place, and for certain people.

[akilli1453]

I wonder how many of these dancers would be able to perform without the musical cue? It seems to me that doing so without the music would be that much more impressive, involving the 'centres' without their musical crutch.

Has anyone explained how mastery of these movements translates into a more conscious appreciation of life? Unless these are integrated into your normal functioning, they are useless. And there could not seem anything more artificial.

[silverspunstarlight]

I think it is not about the mastery of "these movements" which translates into a more conscious appreciation of life but finding YOUR sacred dance which connects all aspects of your life. Gurdjieff followed his own path to what he believed to be a unifying truth and other followed him. He also had his human limitations on his own spiritual path. Music is not a crutch but a part human experience which was important to "his" unity. "Artificial?" Perhaps yours is simply another form. Blessings...

[Obataladance]

All dances are connected to the history of mankind and not to the cosmos as Gurdjief implies, dances are connected to what have happend here on earth despite the original re-ligare inspiration ( from where the word re-ligion have its roots )..dances are the best book of history ever writtien by humans but saddly some have already re-writted history to strip us off of our culture.The gestures in this video have no history but only man made mimetics..Any serious asian dance researcher will laugh

[manurai68]

excuse me but .. "All dances are connected to the history of mankind and not to the cosmos as Gurdjief implies"..this is only your opinion!...sacred dances come from Middle Orient, but it's not important.... their "function" is not only "cultural conditionated". I do an haitian dance called "yanvalou" and it's function is not only for the haitian mind-structure and body, historic and cultural conditionated, but for every one! Objective elements are in every form of art!..

[Obataladance]

lets out an exmaple of historical and cultural roots in dance ( something that Gurdjieff lacks )...lets analize Rumba : Rumba..the rumba gestures describes the travelling of the Zitganes, people from northen India ( Rajasthan ) went to egypt and became Gypsies, other went to Romania ( Roms ), Bulgaria, France ( became "manuche" )those who went to Spain became gypsies and mixed with arabs...then in Cuba Rumba is the result of all this gestures mixed..representing the slavery, the nomad life.

[Anandniseema]

As one of the dancers in the video I'd only like to say that it was an amazing experience - the culmination of a 40 day process in which the utmost attention was on finding the integrity in myself and in my awareness as much as was possible. To participate and allow the dances to challenge me to move beyond my physical and mental limitations was one of the greatest gifts I gave to myself.

[Obataladance]

If dancing have helped u to find that u can do many things with your body it is fantastic but history is embbeded in dances and who ever try to separate it from the historical and cultural process is part of the new age. Every movement in dance have an original meaning.After hours of non stop dancing u can get tunned with u "own" radio station but still if u havent got the cultural background to understand it, u will miss the point..and i feel tired of this youtuber costocasso that only insult

[costocasso]

this version is superficial: only external movements. the real work is an alchemic transformation into the body. it needs "presence". the man is a bridge between earth and sky. ancient traditons know it very well. in the "body" there are ancient potentialities...sacred dances are ONE , between others, method for inner development

[Obataladance]

Osho is a more commercial variety, a kisher emptier style compare to Gurdjieff but the whole lot belongs to the same empty new age trend.

I havent seen any guru who hasnt profited and made money in the name of spirituality...It is so sad to see all this loners accepting whatever without questioning...this show how few are exploting the thirsty for knowledge and hope of the mayority...

[Obataladance]

Gurdjieff is part as the theosophical society of this bunch of egocentric gurus who are convinced that they belong to a more awakened spiritual kind.Most of his work have been kept "secret" and protected by some kind of spiritual authoritities to preserve it..What a fraud !!! In fact behind this new age nonsense, the real intentions, is to strippe humanity off its real ancestral gestures which are like an open book of history when decoded..Leaving us empty from culture and traditions is the aim.

[manurai68]

Gurdjieff is not a theosophist!!! and New Age can't buy sacred dances...they are very difficult and it's impossible an easy approach to them, as usual in new age!..."ancestral gestures"??? there are many different levels of "ancestral possibilities" in the human experience!!

in our animal-body there are "ancestral gestures", but the man is not an animal...there are actions for the heart, for the mind, for the essence...always more sophisticated.....a great variety

[Obataladance]

I am a cuban dancer and choreographer.I do sacred dances of the world as part of my research as a socioethnologist and for what i have learned Gurdjieff is a theosophist in the sense that it denies the historical and cultural roots of all dances..like for many new agers holist, culture means nothing coz we are all "one"..there is not a such a thing called "primitives dances" but people from different period and cultures dancing. To know dancing u most know the whole history of the world first

[manurai68]

...mmm...only one question: do you have experiences in the Gurdjieff's dances???

how can you speak about them without real experience??

[kharrisdance]

Somebody said Conga Line?

[pratyah]

Even the so called bad people are created by the same God. The source for so called good and bad is the same. You are that source. You have never been seperated nor have the so called bad and good people.

[Amirmourad]

Does engaging in an activity often mean that one is addicted to the action ?

Addiction by definition means being posessed by a certain psychological tendency which obstructs one's intelligence. It has nothing to do with how frequently one does things.

Who is to say what is the road to happiness? You have heard countless philosophies of it, countless gurus have spoken of it and have their own approach to the problem.

Any "way" to happiness leads astray.

[Oramireally]

Identifing with things and let youreself to be sucked into one "world of thoughts and feelings" is soon replaced by other. It is all of finding one center that is constant.Then like a leaf twirls on the wind, but the middle part is strong and imovable.Question everything and search dont filosophyse.Search,find, know and understand.

[Amirmourad]

There are a variety of different ways to solve a single equation. The ways are seemingly infinite. Renouncing of the pleasures of life is one method, and it seems to be the one which has been frequently understandood. Such is a common approach in the Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist approaches to evolution of consciousness. They attempt to reach the ultimate through means of denial of the senses.

There are other approaches which see the pleasure of the senses as an enhancer if used in a certain way.

[das81]

how can i get this song '

[svetlina11]

Very beautiful!

[Agueybana07]

It is not the messenger.

It is not the message.

It is what is hidden behind the veil.

A beautiful dance contemplation and meditation.

[blackeconomics]

WHAT A BUNCH OF WACKOS!!!!!!!!!!!

[SmartArt999]

What an absence of brain and intelligence on your side.

[skendiroglu]

Let's don't be spritually megalomaniac. Most people of the world has beautiful folkloric dances which creates same effects on soul. With just a spontaneity in motivation. To really progress, don't wish to advence, just wish to be less ignorant.

[fntime]

Osho, that's all I have to hear, that man

is a fake phoney fraud, whose only interest

is taking advantage of needy souls, searching

for an answer. He is the spider in the web.

Google Osho and I rest my case. A spirtual

advisor with a gold Rolex watch.

[OpenMind00]

Have you ever heard of Yogi Bhajan? I suggest you research is enormous amount of teachings. Invaluable. A True Master who left us a few years ago.

[Amirmourad]

Very interesting how you think that having a gold watch can be contrary to being a spiritual being.

All needy souls need to be taught a lesson. Nobody ever attains to the beyond through means of greed for the sake of greed.

[fntime]

I am not a communist...gold watches are great

but not for a 'spirtual leader'. Whether it's

the Pope or Dali Lama a man who is that into

fashion, has nothing to 'teach'.

It shows a man who can not free himself of

his 'pride' and ego or for that matter his

appetites....not a 'sin' just not the qualities of a 'teacher' who should have

freed himself of the needs of fashion and

ostentation. And as we both know Osho's

concerns are money, booze and women.

[Amirmourad]

I understand what you are saying.

What is wrong with money, booze, or women ?

It seems to me that you have assumed that taking pleasures at the level of materialism is something which is against spirituality. Indulging into the pleasures of this world, there is nothing wrong about it, but neither is there anything right about it. It is neutral. The hazard arises when one becomes attached to those pleasures, dependent upon them for one's state of mind. This is the obstacle of evolution.

[fntime]

There is nothing wrong with any of those things...I have loved them all, maybe to much...but they are not the road to happiness. And a man who is a spirtual guide knows the problems of being addicted to the sensual materialistic world...from my point of view you are here to experience them...but then move on. I don't condemn them, but a spirtual advisor must be his 'own' man...Osho has made himself a fool and a fraud, through his vices all too human, but he should help himself first.

[Amirmourad]

Ah, you use the word vice.

And who is to say what is a vice and what is to be a virtue, what is right, what is wrong ? The definitions change according to certain standards of society which have been set in a certain time and place. What was "right" 500 years ago, today may seem to be a grotesque practice.

Actions have no value in themselves. It is simply the awareness that is flowing through one's actions which determines one's quality. If there is any vice, it is unconsciousness.

[Obataladance]

I am feel sick of seen new age everywhere...as a sacred dances performer this is an insult for me in the way that if u look carefully, sacred dances from around the world have a history which is rooted in culture and have been molded also by geography ect.. In new age is like there is not history neither culture..everything is erased in the name of the cosmos...It is known that Gurdjieff is a new age hoath where EGO is the main motor..This is an insult to anthropology of gestures..Fake totally.

[costocasso]

you are an insult for the intelligence!!

[Obataladance]

Still barking ?

[costocasso]

still speaking about your ignorance?

[elpuma1998]

Gracias Osho!!!

[nicholascremato]

The pure value of these steps is the dancers attention to each step and movement. To be conscious you must be conscious of something. The body is a wonderful tool to achieve this end.

[XIPM3]

why is there chinese characters?

[SamFreedom]

First, no need to outwardly refer to anything as "Gurdjeffian" as attraction is due to one's level of being. Second, they are making this activity look easy when, in fact, it takes a lot of attention to coordinate the apparently divergent activities of the various parts. Thirdly, a combination of love (understanding) and an occasional "big stick" had to have been applied to help that many people cooperate to such a degree. It's very uncommon.

[lul7799]

this have nothing to do with gurdjieff. oshos people just take the lable. respectles.

[neoman12001]

thank you premameen!!! first time i saw a sacred dance. beautiful.

[majawow]

pure mathematics

[SamFreedom]

not quite, that is just to what your mind reduces it, and it made you feel good.

[TyroneSandalphon]

so wonderful to see this is there any more on video??

[farfo1]

Wonderful! I too wonder what the music is...it doesnt resemble G's other works

[cariberos]

D urante las prácticas que se lleven a cabo, nos damos cuenta que en cada sesión se convierte en un "laboratorio de la vida" misma, vivimos situaciones de IDENTIFICACION como el miedo al rechazo, la necesidad de perfección, el miedo al ridículo, el enojo, la impaciencia y la intolerancia, encontrando las formas para disolverlas.

[cariberos]

Thanks for this precious moments! Please, send me the melody name

[earlpneck]

Rock on,James Tomarelli and Debra Rose! You have succeeded in trashing Gurdjieff's movements by selling them off to these brain-dead sanyasins.

[lul7799]

this what osho-people are doing had nothing to do with gurdjieff. thats fake, they dont have ANY IDEA about it. for original G. dancing look last 10 minutes from "meetings with remarkable man".

[AAAPnl]

Gurdjieff DID bother when he realised it in his later life. He knew it would happen. Of course wrong people sounds like judgement, but I mean, why throwing pearls for swines deliberately. Cause they are rich???

No people do not want the truth, because it would mean they would have to abandon everything in their life that's based in non-truths, including their selfview...

[AAAPnl]

Gurdjieff had great knowledge of the esoteric. He shared it with the wrong people. Money talks...

And now much later it is associated with a very very sick individual like bhagwan shree rajneesh.

You had it coming G.I.

[unknowable322]

Gurdjieff would say it is inevitable, but I'm sure he wouldn't let it bother him. There are no 'wrong people'. All great knowledge gets twisted when it enters the public domain, and exploited by those looking to make money, or a name for themselves. As the message gets more and more distorted over time it once again gets buried, and becomes truly 'esoteric' again. But the source can always be rediscovered by those who have a genuine thirst for the truth.

[NoDogmaGr]

Beautiful

[bijosn]

retards

[locadelbosque]

Una música embriagadora...hipnotizante! ¿Cómo se llama y cómo puedo obtenerla?

[xtiml]

what one must remeber is that this dance is to be danced it does nothing to not be a participant at some point. if only observd it is meaningless for the feeling it is produces in the dancers

[postprob]

They look like deluded fools.

[vgamez19]

I just want to say THANK YOU... thank you to the performers of the dance, to those who play that beautiful music, to Osho, and to Mr. Gurdjieff.

[haskellbob]

Since I "just" wasn't strong enough to follow the 4th way, I am one of those who are "asleep" and unable to understand. The Gurdjieffian dichotomy between those who are awake and those who are asleep is self-justifying. Since I am not enthralled the way they are, they dismiss me by saying I'm asleep. I can just as easily say he is "just" gullible and weak-minded, and perpetuate the annoyance and tragedy of people being divided and unable to agree on what is spiritual and good.

[unknowable322]

Have you considered that perhaps you ARE asleep? Most people's egos can't take that kind of criticism, but in any spiritual pursuit it's our egos that get in the way of progress. If we already think we are perfect then how can we evolve? Unless we are an enlightened being on a par with a Christ or a Buddha, then we are ALL asleep to some degree.

[edsonk2]

se queda pegado

[unknowable322]

Shad shenorhagal em

[dhyanchan]

SHANTI.

[mickalene]

thanks.

[BuntyK]

After so much advancement in almost each domain of life, most of us are still living in a primitive and cavemen's mindset as far as God is concern.

Just see, after creating so huge earth, stars, sun, life etc., the God needed to send someone like Jesus on earth to inform people about it (may be God is so worry that someone else might take credit); it doesn't end there, now the God need people like "axllikes" to certify Jesus, so that Jesus can certify God.

What a childish view!

[axllikes]

Please note that there is no other person like Jesus and the bible accounts about him are the most un-interesting, boring, un-heroic, un-sexually appealing, un-romantic, un-spectacular accounts compared to ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS DIETY in the history of mankind. Judge yourself cause you have the right to. But if you cant then ask Him to give you the understanding, cause that understanding is unlike the understanding of the world.

[JohnnyCrok]

Actualy, there is. Note that Jesus wasnt a deity, he was only a prophet/englightened one, like Buddha, Zarathustra and so many before him. It actually doesn't lessen his value or deeds, just a fact. The term "son of god" is referring to this, according to traditon, not like some stupid christians who take it by word.

[axllikes]

Cant help much if the words quoted in the bible mean nothing to you. Because its all a game of mere faith and the hunger to seek the truth. The Bible does not deny the existence of other prophets/gods or religions.

[axllikes]

But anything that does not direct a person to the God of Noah/Jacob/Moses/David and the God of Solomon is to be taken for granted brother. Because there is and was only one God. And HE HAS NO NAME. Thats why he said..."I AM that I AM. Go and tell the pharoah that I AM has sent you"

would you be more impressed if he had given a name like Zotrasticus or Xelofuocus? think about it !!

[axllikes]

You want to worship the Buddha ? go ahead if you think he is God. The Buddha never claimed to be God, he gave a philosophy to he world. If you hunger really after the truth...then good luck buddy...read a lot...judge yourself...but if theres still confusion then Christ's Door is always open.

[Jenfucius]

No where in the Bible does Jesus says he is god either. Often he refers to "His father in Heaven".

[unknowable322]

By the way, axllikes, I thought you might like to know that Gurdjieff was a traditionalist and in his youth was raised in the Orthodox Christian church. He almost became a priest. He said he considered himself to be a Christian, but said that most Christians are not real Christians as they are unable to live according to the precepts of Christ.

[axllikes]

You are right..

But you and me are still forgiven for our sins.

Seems like you believe in spirits more than you believe in God.Spirits are good and bad, not everything is to be followed.

[unknowable322]

No I don't believe in 'spirits', I believe in God, but I am not sure what you mean by 'spirits'. I believe in the human spirit, ie the soul, but I do not believe in ghosts.

[axllikes]

There are a thousand excuses and examples in this world to oppose God. Most of them are really convincing. It is called free will and we all have it. What matters is what we do with this free will. do we even try ?

[unknowable322]

Do we even try to do what?

[axllikes]

Deuteronomy 4:19 (Whole Chapter)

And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

[unknowable322]

It amazes and saddens me how someone can see a beautiful and peaceful dance and think it is Satanic, just because it's not Christian. What a very small world you must live in.

[axllikes]

Sir theres nothing wrong with the slow dance/moves/rythm. But this is a cult group and the inspiration behing the trance/meditation being performed is wrong.

Theres nothing wrong in the act.

Read more about the cult,perhaps u'll like it.

[unknowable322]

All religions began as cults, even Christianity.

[axllikes]

then at least believe in the God of the Bible.

[unknowable322]

There can only be one God.

[SamFreedom]

Actually that's not true. A catholic friend pointed out to me that the bible doesn't say there aren't other G-ds, only that "thou shalt put no other god BEFORE me." There may be lesser deities since G-d doesn't sit around and babysit your vacuum cleaner.

[unknowable322]

Most of the major religions believe there can be only one God. I think your friend is misunderstanding that quote, and others like it. The other 'gods' referred to are those invented by man, they don't have any real existence. God is supposed to be omnipotent and omniscient, so how can there be more than one God? If God is an all-powerful, all-knowing infinite intelligence, why would you need 'lesser deities'? Polytheism is mostly pagan.

[SamFreedom]

I see. Just quote some lines from a book, scream hallelujah, insist that a guy named Jesus is the Son of G-d without any proof or evidence, and then you become an expert on everything else under the Sun. Is that it?

[axllikes]

No Sir, better to first read the history/facts and go deep into subjects like Astronomy/Evolution/Theology..­.instead of reading a few headlines from Newspaper/magazines and jumping to your own conclusions.

[peterklok]

But it IS Christian. It is recorded somewhere that Jesus and the disciples practiced sacred dance.

[haskellbob]

It is possible, however, to see these dancers as entering a hypnotic state and wonder: Now what is the purpose of that? Whom or what are they worshipping? Personally, from an aesthetic point of view - my own- I do not see them as beautiful. They seem robotic. The music, especially (to me)is an annoying pseudo-middle - Eastern drone...

[unknowable322]

Though they seem simple the dances are complex and not meant to be enjoyed purely for their aesthetic appeal. Sacred dance can be compared to sacred geometry or sacred architecture. They are deliberately 'constructed' to contain a meaning which illustrates a truth about the world or about man. This is why they may appear 'robotic', because the dancers are representing ideas with their movements and must work together in perfect harmony.

[axllikes]

satanic

[mutton]

These people appear to have no idea of what they're doing. Check out the end of the movie Meetings with Remarkable Men for the real thing.

[gyanmandiro]

no, sir, it's nothing about knowing, but doing.mandiro

[peterklok]

Having participated in many classes of the Gurjieff Sacred dances, my evaluation of this 'performance' is also that it does not have the quality of genuine Gurdjieff movements. The Osho people are black magicians, as understood in Gurdjieffs terminology. (see Ch 11 0f In Search of the Miraculous)

[aaashika]

sorry, i would like to know what are black magicians in Gurdjieff terminology. thank you

[wuilevaldo]

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