Lyoto Machida wins controversial decision over Shogun Rua

[TheWizzooo]

If I find a magic lamp, I'm gonna wish that Rogan fights Dana for control of the UFC.

[random4life1996]

machida won

[travisshep152]

anthony said he had an injury and could not work out and gained to much.. I dont think he will make that mistake on a regular basis.. but non the less if he was that injured he shouldn't have been fighting in the first place...

[PapaMagnum]

wow, this isn' t a bad show

[ratedcko]

this is the 2nd time shogun got screwed in mma(the 1st time was against coleman in pride after he broke his arm after a takedown)

[bigragu]

F' Douchebag Willie!

[UncutSports]

Willie?

Kevin

[bigragu]

Yeah, ever since I had a video "Copywrite Infringed", with nothing in it but me saying his name, DW, I now call it Douchebag Wille and the Ultimate Fallacio Challenge.

[UncutSports]

HAHAHAHAHA...that is fucking hilarious! George and I could have told you about that...gotta tread lightly when it comes to that shit. Nonetheless, I love that...I might have to bite it from you :)

Kevin

[bigragu]

Cool! I've said it in a vid or 2. Would love to get it going around!

[peuhkis]

Of course shogun tried to go to decision because if you try to finish a fighter like machida u get knocked the fuck out. After shogun fucked up machidas legs he started being more aggressive which was wise. Shogun should have won.

[bromsisfat]

yeah shogun got robbed even when machida tried to get aggressive shogun countered him and rocked him with the right hand i think they may have figured out machidas game plan i noticed machida trys to leap in and throw a left kick to the body followed by a left cross hes doing the same things as his other fights and hes trying to leap in with his left knee he doesnt looked like he evolved he looks the same as his last 2 fights does the same things over and over

[plbigelow57]

Machida is Champ. and won that fight. every proffesional is now saying, "on second look it was way close" too close to give to shogun, my opinion it should have been a draw. watch the first three rounds and you will admit it's close enough to give to Machida especially cause shogun didn't take it. last two on the other hand went to shogun but 4 was close as well. no one should be mad at machida he was way graceful and wasnt hanging his head in defeat he just wasn't sure cause it was close

[Cancun187]

machida is the paper champ.

If by "every professional" you mean every one of machida's fans, then yes, they are stating it was "too close to call".

Shogun won. End of story.

[mmastylez]

@PLBIGELOW57 your comment it funny, sherdog posted an article where they asked alot of trainers/fighters and big john who they thought won the machida/shogun fight and all of them said shogun except of anderson silva (machida's cornerman/training partner) the strikes landed were recorded at 82-44 in favour of shogun, it was a very clear robbery and most mma fans including machida fans agree it was a robbery

[edes01]

Machida clearly lost the fight but I found it boring because Shogun was fighting for the decision. He didn't seem like he was hungry enough for the finisher enough in my opinion.

[piedpiperz80]

Shogun was the one pushing the fight in my opinion....

[Cancun187]

"I found it boring because Shogun was fighting for the decision"

machida and anderson fight for decisions, and if they happen to get a KO, then they are happy with that. Shogun always fights to finish, but it's hard to finish a person who always runs away.

[Thugnificent718]

Shogun fought to win the fight ... its hard to knock a guy out when you have to chase him down first and then land strikes. Machida is and has been the most boring fighter in the history of combat sports. He knocked out two guys in Rashaad Evans and Thiago Silva who've combined to beat NOBODY. He should have handed Shogun the belt.

[gsdbeats]

Thanks guys.....i was blown away that machida won, i was what the fuck as soon as they announced that shit.

[TheJungleCook]

Shogun got robbed, hands down. Rothwell got an early stoppage even though he was getting his ass whipped anyways.

[SEYERWON]

what do you guys think about velasquez? should he fight someone then title shot or just get the title shot?

Lol funny stuff about joe rogan!! "tahthathathhah!!!!"

[bskingkong]

WHo edits these videos for you guys? He's one of the best in the business hands down and shouldn't be working for two no names... :D Great stuff as always.

[piedpiperz80]

I think the athletic commission assigns the refs not the UFC that's why Mazagati still refs

[tariqtariqtariq88]

why did dana fire big john mccarthy then??

[piedpiperz80]

I am not sure but didn't Big John walk out on the UFC

[bounca308]

lmao running the 40 in 2.8 looooool that killed me

[boxerfrank51]

i thaught the fight was bullshit u dudes sound pretty fucking cool i hate machida he lost that fucking fight i did good in one damn round and that was the 3rd round.

[ratedcko]

i remember when everyone said lyoto would ko shogun because of the evans fight... rashad isnt even that good of a striker

[plbigelow57]

im disappointed with Machida i think Machida is overall the better fighter he just wasn't 100% for some reason, but that fight was way close there was no ass kicking just legs lol

[knowledgegs]

true say... i think machida was just lost and confused... if he would have been more aggressive im sure he would have performed better.. rematch for sure

[plbigelow57]

I agree REMATCH let's see the real champ!!!! both get prepared and fight at 100% and it'll be awesome and if shogun wins then fine by me, but i believe Machida will win cause he is way smart and a great champ

[greatsea]

@plbigelow57 Machida used some of the same techniques that have won his fights before. He wasn't out of form, it just didn't work as well. 9 of his 16 fights were decisions. Machida is a "point sparrer" who does what he thinks will get him the win. I always knew Shogun would give him trouble. But having said all that I still think Machida won the fight and that he is over all a better fighter and will defeat Shogun decisively again in May.

[MIT2004]

You must have watched the fight online or downloaded some bootlegged fight because ANYONE can clearly see or saw shogun winnning. I am a machida fan but i know when to admit who won and who didnt. But a quote ffrom dana white, "Never let the match go to the referries bc you can never now what they are going to give you, you have win knockout or submission"

[WoWpwnsrsforsure]

Fuck machida... thats all i gotta say.

why? cause, if he had any honor in him, he

would admit he got handled by Shogun.

... samurai my ass

[tank5666]

stfu its not his fault it was poor judgein like shit

[WoWpwnsrsforsure]

fuck you, you dick sucking faggot

[tank5666]

way to be a child bout it

[WoWpwnsrsforsure]

Like i care... you said stfu to my comment... thats acting like a child compared to me saying Shogun got robbed which most of the community agrees with....

[tank5666]

dude i said he got fucking robbed to im just sayen u shouldnt give machida shit for that

[WoWpwnsrsforsure]

I give machida shit because he said he was superior against Shogun... machida is a fucking goon. thats why.

So fuck machida

[TheJeevan999]

Machida won fair and square

[FRDMAN27]

lesnar wont be fighting anyone for a while got the swine flu. or was it the scared of carwins stand up flu?

[ryan803]

well before we talk about cain and brock, yall should talk about how bad brock will whoop shane carwins ass...at least i hope lol

btw sydney rice was an animal in that vikings steelers game...and that nigga came from south carolina, so Ha the cocks produce good talent lol...which btw im callin south carolina beats florida lol

so how do u guys go about the partner thing on youtube?

[redeyeddawn]

Seriously if Brock can destroy Shane Carwin like he did Frank Mir I will shut up. Honestly I just don't think Brock will win in that situation, but if he does I will call him uber.

To me the problem with that fight is I don't think Carwin has to be a better fighter then Brock to stand a good chance of taking him out. Granted I am not sure what level Carwin is at. Carwin looked nervous in the Gonzaga fight and I imagine he has trained to the bone in the case of a title shot. We'll see...

[JinxKid9000]

to bad brock and shane arent fighting

[martinlopezjr3]

yeah they are in UFC 108

[redeyeddawn]

I think cain velasquez has a mentality that would help him a lot in a fight with Brock Lesnar. I actually think and thought before the Rothwell fight that Cain has a decent chance against Brock. I think Cain could mimic everything Randy couture did to Brock, but I think Cain would have more stamina and a more fluid reaction to some bad positions.

I think Brock is good and I give him credit, but until I see him dominate a guy like carwin, Fedor, or velasquez I have yet to see his uberness.

[plbigelow57]

I like Brock alot and think he is way good but i agree redeyeddawn he needs to fight Fedor. but we should remember he kicked the crap outta frank mir

[redeyeddawn]

The Frank Mir fight does not necessarily prove that Brock is the baddest or second baddest man on the planet. Frank Mir is not rock solid consistent and his arrogance and disrespect towards Brock lesnar was foolish. Brandon Vera whooped Frank mir in the first round; Granted Frank had just gotten over a motorcycle accident, but still I have to question Frank sometimes. When you have somebody with Brocks physical attributes you cannot take them lightly.

[piedpiperz80]

I'd like to see that fight but the way it needs to be said is "Fedor needs to fight Brock" not the other way round. UFC is the premier MMA organisation not strikeforce. Plus Fedor had the opportunity to make that happen. (yes i am still sore about that)

[Cancun187]

Brock needs to fight Fedor, not the other way around.

[69sins]

Anybody else laughed when that ref got tackled from behind during the viking game?! I was drinking a beer as im watching that and all that shit came out as soon as i see the refs face hit the ground...highlight of the NFL this week!!

[UncutSports]

That shit was hysterical :)

Kevin

[tank5666]

o yea that was the fuckin shit

[therod1979]

Hey Kevin and George do you still think Bama is better than Florida after the way Bama edged out that Tennessee game at home? Florida doesn't need a high powered offense as long as our defense stays strong. I believe Rua did win that fight oh and thanks for not beating up on my Bucs.

[QueenzKing1228]

brah gettin high and watchin this episode is great

[KillJesus]

QUOTE OF THE SHOW: "It's Youtube's fault! You guy's are fucked up! Make us partners already!"

Maybe the reason why the judges gave it to Machida is because they are biased for anyone who drinks their own urine.

[HFC11492]

im posting a video on machida shogun tomorrow

check it out!

But...Shogun got robbed...and i'll rant about it in my video tomorrow

[jungenbum]

Machida lost that, 47-48. Shogun beat him by aggression and octagon control at least.

[rossmillsap]

I had a bet on this fight and had bet on Machida, I was getting ready to pay up and then they said the winner was Machida, I though it was the most unearned money I have ever recieved.

[kanetheking]

me to, i betted on machida as well and as soon as i took my wallet out to pay up they said machida won, i couldnt even except the money that i won.

[ianhudon]

pretty nice Bg guys nice show btw

[rayj778]

at the very least the machida vs shogun fight should have been a draw...but a unanimous victory for machida??? more like a unanimous robbing. i think because everyone wanted to see a machida vs silva fight, that this fight was FIXED; no doubt about it. UFC now fixes fights like the WWE.

[hero7289]

Lol Kevin that was awesome with the bomb affect lol

[manosteel1024]

Please don't ever stop making this show....it's one of the best things on youtube for sportsfans.....and yes Machida got beat!!!

[marlex99]

well i guess the defense did win the game for the steelers but like most people say- defense wins games so....... put 2 and 2 together

[yankee2be1994]

Machida deserved to win. he beat rashad to be the champ, like everyone says you got to beat the champ to be the champ. You guys have no clue.

[SLVSTRN]

rd1 shogun

rd2 machida

rd3 shogun

rd4 shogun

rd5 shogun

[ExtremeD333]

I like how u guys are editing your videos. The thing on the side is a good addition. Great videos.

[666ofdoom]

Shogun didn't get rob Machida beat the crap out of him come on he's the champion you have to do more to beat a champion to win.

[rayj778]

yeah you have to like...bruise the guy's ribs, fuck up his leggs, & face & shit...oh wait that's what shogun did (did you see the ice bags & legg treatment that machida got in between rounds; i wonder if he was in pain or something?).

[666ofdoom]

The judges did a great job with the machida fight

[bachatadiccion]

i wan to nock out the white dude in this video. just to do it.

[ratedcko]

lol, judges scored cain's 1st round 10-4

[51carnage]

great vid guys machida sucks. yer really funny kev never noticed that haha also im liken the shirt. later homie

[69Macdaddy]

just so you guys know the ufc does not appoint referees and have no power further than recommendations for who they get to ref. which is weird.

[surroundedbyfuckwads]

guys that protect us?

u mean the guys that are invading other countries not unlike hitler did in ww2

[tankthecane82]

Yeah shogun definately got screwed. Im a machida fan but he was lackluster and now that machida has the belt we won't see anderson silva fight for the 205 title. Had shogun won then silva would have beat him later on. Oh well, at least I have cedric benson and ochocinco on my fantasy team.

[xxxFaustusxxx]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Machida ERROR!

[UncutSports]

Hahahaha..what a great comment

Kevin

[Esetroc2332332]

Shogun won that fight. and who should fight Carwin? I would say Cain but he just fought. and when you guys look at it, Randy Couture is one of the best heavyweights ever and he's basically the smallest ever.

[xstr8edg3x]

Check sherdog, Brock is out of the Lesnar/Carwin fight who do you think is a good replacement? im sayin Big Nog

[GeNeStRoNg]

Wait what do you mean brock is out.

[xstr8edg3x]

hes not fighting in UFC 106 he's really sick and can't train

[GeNeStRoNg]

God damn it. Do you know when his next fight will be re-posted.

[carlosharris]

love your show guys....And Dana doesn't pick the refs.Thats all up to the athletic commission.

[Xion385]

George,

I'll take Reggie Wayne. I'll love you forever. I'm serious. I need a WR, but I only have Cadillac, Westbrook, and Lynch for RBs. Screw Kevin haha. Give him to me.

[metallicaweed]

i dont think brady is back yet they beat the titans and the bucs whoouupidy freakin do

brady threw 2 picks agaisnt tampa

if tampa where better they could of made a game out of it becuse of those 2 picks

[Llpadre]

i am a huge machida fan, but he got owned by Rua

[HTL28]

I'm a big Machida fan and I thought he lost that fight. I had him winning rounds 1 and 3 and Rua winning the rest. Cant wait to see the rematch

[familyvalues07]

great video guys. awesome editing, too!

[ballek7]

fuck you machida was the agressor he stopped all the takedows he controlled the pace of the fight in other words thats octagon control that scores you points all I saw from shogun was kicks and failed takedowns it was a close fight but sorry Machida won that shit fuck you guys if you feel sorry for shogun buy a ticket to brazil and go SUCK HIS DICK.

[keggerous]

hahaah ur awesome dude

[HoneyIEducatedTheWeb]

Almost every comment is about MMA, here,and, it appears, in most videos. Wonder what most people who watch Uncut Sports therefore want to see...

[coryy650]

Shogun got robbed indeed, he looked awesome tho, glad to see him doin good

[HoneyIEducatedTheWeb]

George is wrong about the first round.

Round one = Draw

Round two = Shogun

Round three = Machida

Round four = Shogun

Round five = Shogun/draw

[QueenzKing1228]

dumb ass there cant be a draw i think shogun won 1,2,4,5 machida round 3

[HoneyIEducatedTheWeb]

Are you telling me that a round can not be scored a draw? There are no 10-10 rounds in the UFC?

[nick3425]

machida whooped that butt

fuck a shogun

[RedskinsWarpath]

Please, separate the two sports, Im not a big UFC fan, but love watching yall. Just a suggestion

[EyetalionMafia]

Machida should be a man and say yeah i lost the judges were high as fuck.This is so obvious that mma is dirty now just like boxing.Shugun has been training his whole life for a moment like this and 3 judges robbed him those judges should all be fired and put in jail.

[brianpmcg]

Love the show! Cain is a tough sob, great fight. He should slim down to light heavyweight. I believe that he'll dominate at 205. The main event Saturday night was horrible! I'm mailing Dana White my bar tab from Saturday night..... I want my $20 back! Another issue..... Why are you fighting if you don't make weight? Man up and fight at 185! I want him to gEt in the cage with the spider!

[NinjaFaced420]

Cain slim down? have you seen his body? too big for 205

[immortal4hm]

I guess the Light Heavyweight Belt is really CURSED...!!!

[RHart51680]

When the division is as stacked as it is, it creates insanely close fights. With that said, Shogun was robbed though.

[tristanv1]

Fighters should fight in their own weight classes and stop fighting smaller guys they know they can beat.case in point anthony johnson that guy looks like a 205

fighter but goes down to 170?!!, where's the competition in that.

[RHart51680]

Diego Sanchez is doing the same them by going down to 155.

[tristanv1]

yeah i know, shame on him.

[Hotora86]

Thanks for the mention, Kev. ;)

Yeah, I'm a diehard Machida fan and always will be BUT Shogun won 3-2 on my scorecards. IMHO the first 3 rounds were close as hell and ties go to the champ so the judges gave'em to Lyoto. Rounds 4, 5 were dominated by Rua and if the fight was judged on overall - Rua all the way.

Kudos to Shogun for cracking the Machida code, salutations to Rua fans. I'm glad that an immediate rematch has already been agreed on and I hope Machida comes better prepared next time.

[keggerous]

i agree totally...machida is a P.I.M.P. but for some reason he wasnt on his game at all. shogun either nuturalized him or he was just having a bad fight. shogun totally had a great plan though with kicks and counters.

[Hotora86]

True. Shogun picked the perfect strategy and was very thorough about it.

At least Machida isn't making any stupid excuses like some fighters do.

[kareem87said5]

I would give to Machida only round 3 because of his good combination at the end of a fight. Round 1 was even and the rest rounds goes to Rua.

Simply, Rua landed more during the entire fight, he was more agressive, he wanted a belt more and of course he did a way more damage, just look at a face and body of Machida after the fight.

[notkroqer2]

I really like machida, but even on my score cards he lost.

Shogun definally deserves a rematch.

Cain and Rothwell... Obviously Cain was dominating and Rothwell took like 6 unanswered for hits to the face to i think it was a good stoppage

[geewill1982]

the stoppage on Ben was questionable but he took like 5 or 6 clean shots to the face...the ref had to step in

[tkflex]

I CONCUR Shogun Won 3-2 Rounds...

Why didnt Shogun win? No its more why did Machida WIN!?!?!?

Shogun was 4:1 UNDERDOG and the fans that follow PRIDE FC know he had a 50/50 shot! IT would have been a STOCK MARKET CRASH! 4:1!!!

Machida is the UNDEFEATED CHAMP! There was no WAY he would lose to a DECISION.

The Media had a factor in Machida's performance

Double Shoguns PAY, Immediate Rematch!

Machida Honor your Loss and put the Belt around Shoguns Waist! Wheres the warrior Spirit?

[Fresnos]

I gave Shogun the fight 3-2 EASILY. I would have given him 4-1 but I was feeling generous. Honestly, I'm done with UFC now. The Forrest Griffen / Anderson Silva fiasko and now this? I can't do it anymore man. I honestly feel that Dana had the judges paid off because he can't have a guy who has not proven himself to UFC fans as his Light Heavyweight Champion. This promotion is now more corrupt than boxing once was. If you don't think that Dana pays his fights off now you are an absolute FOOL!

[Blindedbythelight]

george looks like BEN ROTHWELL!!!!

[eastendlukey]

Remach tomorrow, in the car-park behind Pollo Loco.

[eastendlukey]

I'm a huge Machida fan, but I even thought that Shogun won. I was covering my eyes like "noooo, machida's gonna loose the belt already!".

Then Buffer says that Machida won, and i actually felt bad for Shogun, not an ounce of happiness for Machida winning this.

[jonny232323232323]

amen guys ur totally ryt

on rumble johnsons weight, stoppage and shogun

[ratedcko]

mazzagatti's stoppage was way off.

it should have been in the 1st round, but it was too early for ben. iv never seen a heavyweight get waist-laced like that

[skinsup84]

i dont know thats what they said about shane and Gabriel and look what happen, got knocked out.

im starting to think that dana white pays people off man, shogun won that fight and yes they need to redo the cards!

[keggerous]

I think the machida shogun fight is to close to be definitive either way. shogun had some great kicks and was pushing the pace, but machida had good knees and a few good flurries. shogun got stuffed on afew take down attempts and got hit with a few kicks himself. over all i think the anouncers spent to much time saying "oww nice kick by shogun" ene though machida clearly blocked it. ppl need to stop listening to joe rogan. even though i like him, he plays favorites in fights.

[eagledynasty81]

how can you honestly think Machida won. Shogun won 4 rounds definitely, 5 in my opinion. Shogun dominated him.

[keggerous]

did i say machida won? no i didnt... maybe u should learn to read.

[eagledynasty81]

machida didn't "clearly" block anything. He landed most of his kicks and his elbows. He outstriked machida in every single aspect. It's not even close.

[keggerous]

i just watched the fight again and although machida took some mean kicks, he pivoted out of some and some were only glancing blows. machida did block one or 2 of those kicks also and some of those "counters" werent effective kicks at all considering machida was punching shogun in the hands and face. i saw a really equal match up. in the end if i was judge id give it to shogun but im not....just a machida fan defending the decision

[eagledynasty81]

God, go look at the stats. Machida got utterly dominated on the feet. Shogun barely got punched in the face, he blocked most of the counters. Machidas body dmg and leg dmg show how bad his beating was. It wasn't even close. Shogun was completely unscathed, machida had brusies everywhere and cuts on his face.

[mrclutch87]

i think they gave it to machida cuz he threw combinations shogun blocked 6 out of 8 punches machida would throw but i think when they graded the fight they didnt see it as punches blocked but as punches landed

[jeremyemilio]

The fight stats are out at Fightmetric and, for anyone who didn't have the eyes to see for themselves, it wasn't close. Shogun out struck Machida 82-42. 82-42! He also out-struck Machida in each of the 5 rounds. He also landed more total headshots and more power shots to the head. He landed more headshots in 2 rounds and tied a 3rd, and he landed more power shots to the head in 3 rounds. And he destroyed Machida with leg shots in all 5 rounds by a total of 49-4! Not a close fight at all.

[Newfie4646]

ya i dont no why maybe its cause they were in LA joe rogan was high but he seemed extremely unprofessional in this fight

[oleHABSole]

Machida has no heart ! end of the 3rd he owned shogun with combination's,but once he got hit with that right he began to play defense all fight long,just taking kick after kick.Karate fighters will never exchange even if their belt is on the line.

[Newfie4646]

ur fuckin wacked dude

[wondeboy12]

Actually cecil is a karatae teacher & as I have seen accurately stated is that people hack into him because, well hes kind of goofy he moves & even looks more like a bumbling waiter or butler & even does that silly karatae chop when starting the fights he refs (alot of wcl)

I'm not sayins hes a good ref/judge but there are plenty worse out there imo mazagatti being the worst of them.

[rampagesgrill84]

There's a difference between a ref or a judge.

And George and Kevin: The UFC doesn't appoint the judges or referees, that's the job of the athletic comissions.

[wondeboy12]

Cecil does both, though in the UFC hes only judged as far as i know.

Part of the problem is that atgthletic state comission pick who they allow & they keep the number down, theior reasoning to keep a small handfull of people rather then having litrally hundreds running around.

Nice idea in theory because they claim to be keeping the quality up but the evidence isnt present.

[rampagesgrill84]

He's even worse as a ref, but that's not the point.

The athletic comissions sanction both boxing and mma, referees and judges to both too. There are a lot of cross-over judges from boxing, and this hurts mma because they simply don't know what the hell they're doing. They basically appoint them based on experience in boxing, so how the hell are they supposed to score an mma bout? I've watched Nelson Hamilton's interview on inside mma and he seems to have an idea, but fails to deliver in reality.

[murtnec75]

It's pretty simple. How did Machida win? If someone can explain that, I'd love to hear it. Shogun came forward while Machida ran (not because he's scared, but because thats his style) . Whatever the case Machida was backing up not moving forward. Strikes? Shogun landed countless leg kicks. When Machida did manage to put together a flurry, Shogun always had an answer with counter punches. I personally like both of the fighters, but I truly believe Shogun should be the champ after Saturdays match.

[skinsup84]

i want to see shane carwin and brock go at it. think brock is a badass but shane has almost three times the fights and toe to toe i think it will be fight of the night and knock out of the night for sure. what do you think?

[Steadno]

no way will carwin beat brock...

[PhilloBaggins]

R R R Robbed! And Im a big Machida fan.

[datyroth]

Shogun should have won, i was suprised when machida won.

[Steadno]

"Robbed"? HELL NO, you must TAKE the belt...Wash goes to the house!

[UltimateHibz]

It was a close fight, neither of them got dropped or rocked but Shogun did more. I understand when Dana says you can't leave it in the judges hand cos they fuck up a lot, but people saying that oh you have to take the belt, or the champ doesn't have to win to keep the belt are retarded, i don't see why in a title fight the methods of winning somehow change.

[Steadno]

if a fight is close then the nod goes to the champ. house wins the wash.

[UltimateHibz]

If the fight is a draw then nod goes to the champ, if the fight was close but one guy did more to win than the other then the nod should go to that guy.

[Steadno]

This is what I meant by *close* or *draw* or *stalemate* etc. It is up to the challenger to get the W via KO/TKO/sub or that the champ is so swollen and or bloody that not even the most slope domed judge could deny.

[UltimateHibz]

I don't know what dictionary you use mate, but 'draw/stalemate' are not the same as 'close'.

[Steadno]

No dictionary needed, they are the virtually the same. Meaning nobody has clearly won or lost. In this case, the champ gets the nod.

[StyleSessions]

bullshit, explain Griffin TAKING it from Rampage then.

[Steadno]

did you see rampage's knee after the fight? it was big as a basketball and he could hardly walk. even he said he lost it, but he would be back.

[StyleSessions]

where does it say he says he lost it/? He thinks he was robbed.

Also Shogun won far more convincingly than Griffin did over Rampage.

[Steadno]

post fight interview of rampage, he admits it. no way, griffin mangled the leg of rampage who pimp limped out the cage...

[StyleSessions]

there are mannny people who felt Page won that fight.

There are hardly ANY who felt Machida won. Even Machida fans.

[Steadno]

machida being the champ doesnt have to win, he just has to not lose. i dont care much for either fighter, infact i was pissed when he k evens tfo but that's what needs to be done to TAKE a belt.