@TheHtjohn dude.. the total strength of the communist 'armed' forces were 400-500 thousand. It reached a million because most of the casualties were civilians. But hey let me just save myself from being a total dick and apologize for that comment. It was out of context.. And yes I totally get your joke :p
Well-made! If they didn't use the M1 Garand or any of the good guns, what did they use? Muskets? Or some sort of old US Cavalry 1884 repeaters and revolvers?
In the first 5mins I could not tell who is who, they both have the same type of helmets,feel sorry for those guys must have been a lot of friendy fire.
This is one of the films where people look at one battle scene and say "Communist China propaganda." Watch the whole film and you will see that this film does not glorify either side of the war at all, not even a little bit.
Nationalist troops weren't exactly uniformly equipped, but, towards the end of the Civil War, many of the better units were equipped with lend-lease American uniforms and weaponry. It's estimated that, by 1945, around a third of the weapons in the Kuomintang's arsenal were American in origin (though I'm afraid can't give you a solid figure on how common American uniforms were).
I love all this brainless faggots who comments how this isn't true and propaganda and all shit that comes out of their brainwashed American minds with total IQ of 20.
I hope you all burn in hell and get mutaliated by Satan himself
Usually they didn't. Most POWs were considered useless and were often killed off. But this wasn't always the case considering these guys are all Chinese. It would be hard to kill a fellow American, wouldn't it?
How can people think this is the Korean war? First, it's Chinese being spoken (which sounds nothing like Korean) and second, those are Chinese characters written everywhere, not Korean hanguel. Do North Americans really get Asia that confused?
que grande el ejercito chino algunos dicen que es propaganda capaz tienen razon pero eeuu no hace propaganda? asique mejor que los burgueses se callen
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I love Chinese propaganda. The commies arent this charitable to save POWs, they usually killed them. By showing leniency toward Nationalist soldiers clearly define this movie as a propaganda to make modern chinese people think PLA are just and friendly.
If Taiwan has no power to free China, someone will. And when that happen, all Chinese will enjoy the freedom and justice like those from Taiwan.
@HowYaDoingMon thx for the comment man but i am do not agree with you (and i am argumentative today). according to history I know, PLA not only take prisoner but they recruit from prisoners (perhaps forced to a degree), they actually make whole divisions of KMT go turncoat. You simply can't do that for being genocidal. PLA and KMT recruit from the same population and KMT was a dictatorship as well, so why PLA started small, and later became bigger than KMT?
@EPsuperFan KMT was really corrupted and lots of funds that are used to train and benefits soldiers ended up in the pockets of the higher up officers. Due to the communist nature of the PLA, every soldier get the same amount of benefits and treatment, even in compare to their own superior officers. That is why KMT troops turn to their enemy. But if you are curious, let me give you an example of why the CCP uses this as a propaganda.
@EPsuperFan During the Korean War, tens of thousands of PLA PoWs in American camps were given 2 options, you can either go back to the China under the CCP rule or you have the option to come to Taiwan under KMT rule. The CCP is allowed to spend 40 days with the PoWs to try to convince them to go back to China. 100% of these soldiers, according to Taiwan's historic records, chose to go to Taiwan for freedom. According to these POWs, the CCP threatened to kill their families & relatives.
@EPsuperFan The CCP is genocidal as well, like KMT. But before 1949, soldiers only worry about their livelihood. However, when Korean war began, the Chinese have seen the negative side effects of a communist regime, therefore they turned to Taiwan. And believe me when I say there are hundreds of Chinese trying to smuggle themselves to the shores of taiwan on their own will every year because CCP just isnt as good as this movie depicts.
@EPsuperFan I am not saying KMT doesnt use propaganda, both sides do. But we are talking about this movie, which is made in modern times. The difference between these two sides is that KMT or Taiwan doesn't use propaganda to brainwash their people anymore. CCP still does.
@EPsuperFan And do you really think the PLA is so well-equipped? My grandfather was Taiwan's first Airborne Special force, and he fought in the 1958, 823 Battle of Kinmen against the the Communist invasion. He told me when he is inspecting the PLA soldiers that his company shot down near the shores, the PLA have the worst equipments, clothing, and ration that he wouldnt call it "food". When they attacked him, you can see a company behind the PLA that shoot anyone who fell behind. That is PLA.
@HowYaDoingMon first I salute your grandfather as a veteran soldier. I have actually never heard of a "NKVD" unit in PLA but I would take your grandpa's story since it was 823. I still stand with my understanding that PLA doesn't win by brutality but by superior advertising. I am not saying the Communist party of China is not genocidal since it committed so many crimes against Chinese people after 1949, but that is only after they took power, so another story that is.
@HowYaDoingMon and also I would not think this movie as a propaganda film. Do you know the fact that the movie is banned itself in China after premiering, since it depicts soldier's lives as miserable, and the civil war meaningless and brutal. Feng Xiaogang has never been a propaganda-ish director as well. I don't remember I argued how well-equipped PLA was, I only said they developed to a huge amount of people, they are indeed ill-equipped, like the movie depicts.
@HowYaDoingMon and I want to disclose the fact that i grew up in mainland china so my history understanding could well be wrong and biased. I do learn something from your comment so thanks to that. I still recommend you to watch the whole film since it is a good war movie. good luck
@HowYaDoingMon if you like right wing propaganda, i suggest you watch the CIA "battleplan of red china". Even in that one of an anti-red china film you don't see accusations of mass killing, but what they termed "brainwashing". So let's say PLA is good at PR and advertising, make them at least for a while look sexier than KMT. i am not saying PLAs were "just and friendly", but by then it had the support of people cause KMT govt. too sucked (in a way much like today's commie govt.).
@HowYaDoingMon so in conlusion, i don't think you should simply drag what happened during say-Soviet civil war 1917-1921, Pol Pot Massacre, North Korean and Vietnam's aggressions to their respective South-directly onto China, it was a different situation and massacre doesn't work even from a practical point of view. and of course personally i don't really like how China is working today and want some changes, on that i sort of agree with you.
The movie showed them KILLING the POWs. So before you judge a movie negatively just because it's made in a country you're paranoid about, perhaps you should actually watch the damn movie first.
If you watched the movie then why did you think they treated the prisoners with "charity" as you claimed? What you say already proves your paranoia. I corrected you on one section of the movie and suddenly you assume that I "think China is all holy and shit". Apparently you still haven't gotten over the Red Scare. Cold War's over, update yourself.
@HowYaDoingMon oh come on! There isn't really much war movies depicting a communist soldiers as the protagonists. If you think about most war movies, the "Good guys" are always the Western countries.I think Its good for a change to have the point of view of the "other side."
Propaganda or not, many country that make war films about their own army always make their army the good guys anyway.
@magicstorm1 Actually there's a plenty (hundreds, maybe even thousands) of such films ("communist soldiers as the protagonists"), usually made in communist countries.
@HowYaDoingMon Er... yeah, because I'm sure the Nationalist officer they shot felt they were very charitable.
Actually, it was fairly common practice during the Chinese Civil War to simply conscript captured soldiers- this was practicable mainly because a lot of the combatants were fighting simply for a regular supply of rice in their bowl, rather than for ideological reasons. In fact, a high proportion of the men who fought in Korea were former Nationalists.
@Stheno16 You are sure. Well now, wouldn't that be so convenient for the rest of world? Everyone is just "sure" of everything they want to believe in. Yeah, nice argument.
@Stheno16 See, here is the thing. I refute only to people who doesn't deserve my sarcasm. But if I launch my sarcasm on you, rest assured, you need more juice on your argument in order to call for a debate.
@HowYaDoingMon How very convenient for you. I'm sure the men of Marshal Zhang Xueliang's Northeastern Army could have attested the levels of defection among Civil War troops.
@HowYaDoingMon your an idiot, of course the communists took prisoners of war, almost half of the communist army was filled with nationalist soldiers who surrendered lol
@notmysteezhomie If you really think so, you are one damn retard. Nationalists defects to CCP, but CCP never gave a damn about POWs. If you look at this movie base on your modern liberal ideals, you are the one who is a idiot.
@HowYaDoingMon you do realise that killing POWs would have reduced populer support significantly and destroyed the entire communist war strategy right? of course they were nice towards POWs, it was in their intrest to idealogically convert the defeated. there a reason why communist numbers swarmed from 800000 to 4 millions, and it sint because they shot POWs
@HowYaDoingMon You are the idiot. You are blinded by your preconcieved ideas and haven't put forth any info to prove your views. Read "Essential Histories: Chinese Civil War". Written by a western author, it discusses in detail the PLA policy of enlisting KMT POWs into their army. The PLA even took in 200,000 Japanese-trained CHinese soldiers of the Manchukuo Collaraborist army. THey needed well trained and experienced soldiers. It was the KMT who regularly shot POW's and they were US supported.
@HowYaDoingMon I don't see how this was propaganda. I saw more of that on saving Private rayn then in Assembly. No where do you see any overt showing of the Communist Party being all knind and benevolent. If any thing, this movie is critical of the CCP as it depicts how Gu Zidi and his men were ultimately used and sacrificed with little gratitude shown. BTW the PLA, in the latter stages of the war, did attempt to encourage KMT desertions by kind treatment of POWs.
@HowYaDoingMon funny thing cuz a lot of the soldiers they used in the korean war were KMT POWs, and u wanna know wat the KMT did to civilians they even suspected to be commies? this is war
@HowYaDoingMon Actually your use of the slang ''commie'' just shows you as an ignorant brat. Most of the Communist soldiers were Nationalists who were fed up with the Nationalists and thought the Communists would be better. And they usually were.
@HowYaDoingMon how is this propaganda? the guy lost all of his men, when his commender abandoned them, and the government listed them as MIA. if they wanted a propaganda film why not just pick a battle tht the PLA actually won
@HowYaDoingMon the commies cant participate in massacares since most of their army near the end were composed of almost entirely nationalist POWs
the poor state of the KMT government made defections extremely simple, there were both strategic reasons and political reasons to treat pows properly by the communist
The KMT government fell because they were incompetant, you disrespect all those who fell during the war on both said by marking this as a simple idealogical struggle
@HowYaDoingMon Actually they mostly let them join the communist forces. (The same happened earlier when the KMT took over the defeated warlord forces.) In Korea very many of the "Chinese Volunteers" were former KMT.
it's true Nationalist military was spread thin fighting multiple enemies, both internal and external, but i think eventually, because the majority of the people wanted Communism, the Republic would have fallen regardless. A government can only last so long against the will of its people
I am korean and I really like the film...but i do feel that it is too safe to portray what the enemy or the chinese army in particular was like...but then again the movie ain't as nationalistic as saving private ryan nor doesn't portray the enemy as evil...its main focus was the human element and their loyalty to fight for their country, which in my opinion gives me respect to those chinese soldiers...
@TheShinema nice to hear you like it, i hope there will be more good chinese films getting accepted around the world. btw i don't even think the film is about loyalty to country at all, since it mainly shows how the country betrayed the lives of soldiers and how one man fought alone against this injustice. very touching subject i would say.
@EPsuperFan well said. I agree with you completely. Yet I must question why did he chose to go again and again into war for his country when they ignores all his sacrifices and losses after he return. He must have been very loyal toward his country.
@EPsuperFan u should check out a movie coming out this year. Its the team that made taegukgi...and its about a korean soldier who got drafted in the japanese,russian, and germany army in d-day. Its called My Way...
@HSGoat well its a film making technique that pretty much created by Steven Spielberg...makes you feel like u are actually there...holding that camera and witnessing the action...if u seen war documentaries...it always involve a shaky camera...
@capelry i did and i kinda agree with you, there are moments where i feel like its soo shaky u can't see much of wats going on...but then again...if u were in a artillery attack...then of course u will feel dizzy from the ordeal...
@TheRockinryan the communist are the one doing all the talking. Rupublics have more formal uniforms and better equipement. In this video, they are the ones with the cannon.
@Briselance The US was a backer and supplier to chinese nationalist during the civil war. A lot of the military gear for both sides was foreign produced and often forces would collect gear from the battlefield to resupply.
@death6998 Look at his horrible grammar, lack of sentence structure and spam of insults and tell me it isn't trolling. Also, True Communism is a lot better the democracy.
@Repenter101 Horrible grammar on you tube is like mold on bread....it grows
Also I would rather die in a democracy than live in communism, you just act like a blind fool who dosent know what it is truely like just some one who reads progranda made by even bigger idiots who think they know what it is.Nothen against you though dont take it that way.
@Repenter101 Not since Obama came in, its redickorless I heard that they now want to arrest kids for throwing "dangerous weapons" aka snow balls. Also they dont want kids over there to play games like kick ball and football because its to "dangerous in this one my friend you won.
@death6998 Yeah, America is in pretty shitty condition right now. Not any better since Bush, but there's only so much we can do :/. Though I still find it hilarious that people think Obama is a reincarnation of Hitler XD.
@Repenter101 its crazy for people to say obama is the reincarnation of hitker,,,,,but he certainly seems to be a reincarnation of Jimmy Carter (but with a better tan)
some of the korean war was fought in north east china when american pushed north korea all the way to the border but this is probably the chinese civil war
@MrR4VaG3 stfu niggga im not american im fucking asian get that straight and learn to spell u "cocksucker" its my opinion u cant judge me u ass fuck plus all china is doing is suppying the u.s isnt that what all countrys do for each other? exactly u fuck head
@jasonalexjohn Now why to say that. There hasn't been a single communist country in the world since the ideology was founded, because all the self-claimed "communistic" states have been pretty much the opposite to their ideology. So, for true communistic/socialistic society you should seek for Nordic countries, and guess what? Finland and Norway have repeatedly been listed the best countries to live in.
Finally a movie that is not about flag waving and full of BS propaganda unlike the majority of Chinese, America, British and Russian films (mainly TV shows). Instead, this demonstrates the horrors of war. I don't think we should be concerned about who were the "baddies" and "goodies". At the time of conflict, both sides were totalitarian. The film's main objective is to illustrate the veterans of all conflicts , regardless of the side,who were neglected by their governments'/ general public.
U said its not set in the korean war as well when in actualy fact it is later in the movie I mean when u see that american tank and that so I guess its about the chinese civil war and the korean war .
Even the term "human wave" in Korea or atleast the early stages of the Korean intervention was a misnomer. Attack in 1950 did not heavily outnumber the UN (US and Korean) forces. Human wave meant moving around the strong points , especially a western army tied to its supply lines. Huge defeat for the US military. When KOrean front stabilized in late 1951, then the "Human wave" attacks were more like mass attacks
What would happen if Mainland China goes the way of the Soviet Union ? Of course it'll be different but with two China's claiming sovereignty over the other who can say whether we'll have another Chinese Civil War again .
the japanese were wayyyy better than the chinese by a long shot if japanese antique horse drawn artillery r superior to chinese arms then i think japan would have won if we wouldnt have bailed china out
@GuyPennebaker We didnt even do anything ! All we did was send hundreds of planes to help(thats actually not alot) and some generals but thats about it. Also Japan already did win they captured the KMT's capital of Nanking and when a country loses its capital then it pretty much lost the war ,the only thing was that the Chinese rebelled especially the Communists , now they didnt surrender unlike the Nationalists.
People are so uninformed about wars not fought by their own country. Communist army used soviet weapons and captured american weapons while Nationalist uses American weapons. Why wouldn't they have sophisticated weapons?
It would be hard to tell the difference between this battle scene and the nearly identical Korean movie '71- Into the Fire' (2010) opening battle scene. In either case it's almost like watching somebody reenacting a WW2 First Person Shooter game using Band of Brothers style cinematography.
@zumwane Yea didn't you know that in the korean war Chinese soldiers shot pilots in there cockpits!... XD just joking it's an action movie not a history movie, and in action movies the "good" guys hit every thing they shoot at even thru brick walls!!
When the Captain (in the helmet) and the comissar (in the ballcap) are argueing, the comissar wants to attack right then and there, while the captain wants to let the soldiers reorginize to avoid getting them all killed. Just in case anyone was wondering.
What was this about, a group of guys, from the same village or town, join up and fight... Then eventually the brothers in arms begin to die one by one in countless battles...
ok I'm in the middle of the video and I just paused to say
THIS IS FUCKING EPIC :O
sgthunter09 3 weeks ago
48 wtf i think you may mean 38
98whistler 1 month ago
Why people care about every things. Why the people who aren't chinese care about chinese things. I know i suck in english, because i speak french.
yoyomaster360 1 month ago
In the end, we were all brothers killing each other over ideology.
SuicideSilencer 1 month ago 2
@SuicideSilencer i like the way you put it sir
yuhichiro 1 day ago
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Long Live the Red Army !
ganlesat 3 months ago
Saving Private Wang? (HAHAHAHA Private Wang ? Get it? )
TheHtjohn 3 months ago 7
@TheHtjohn mmm
ANZACS100 3 months ago
@TheHtjohn American pc of shit. Thank god you guys were massacred during the vietnam war.
retsyoroz 3 months ago
@retsyoroz I don't know about that bro. The casualties on the Vietcong's side were widely over a million . American casualties were close to 60,000 .
TheHtjohn 3 months ago
@TheHtjohn dude.. the total strength of the communist 'armed' forces were 400-500 thousand. It reached a million because most of the casualties were civilians. But hey let me just save myself from being a total dick and apologize for that comment. It was out of context.. And yes I totally get your joke :p
peace bro.
retsyoroz 2 months ago
@retsyoroz Ok :)
TheHtjohn 2 months ago
@TheHtjohn That is an American estimate. Which basically means its a blatant lie to spread propaganda and capitalist ideology. I am an american btw.
PeculiarTactics 2 weeks ago
@retsyoroz fuck you nationalist.
IwannaKnowTech 2 months ago
Saving Private Chang :).
VersusARCH 4 months ago
subtitles would make this less confusing for what appears to be a mainly english speaking audience
thegoodlifeonlybettr 4 months ago
Well-made! If they didn't use the M1 Garand or any of the good guns, what did they use? Muskets? Or some sort of old US Cavalry 1884 repeaters and revolvers?
ariadarabi 4 months ago
@ariadarabi Mainly JKS rifles (German K98), Mosins, and captured jap Arikasas
Seres1091 3 months ago
In the first 5mins I could not tell who is who, they both have the same type of helmets,feel sorry for those guys must have been a lot of friendy fire.
mrcoolj008 4 months ago
@Incognito84 well most of us can't tell the difference between most Asians(Indians not included)
lovatojonasfan1 4 months ago
The soldier on the ground at 6:56 is the director of the film
hongjunworld 5 months ago
Nationalist Soldier No M1 Garand, No Thompson No, BAR gun
that why they lose this war
Jayzane91 5 months ago
5:37 a picture of Jesus Christ.
plazaff 5 months ago
Dear god my head, they need to waaaaaay lighten up on the camera shaking.
labeehaypwns245 5 months ago
This is one of the films where people look at one battle scene and say "Communist China propaganda." Watch the whole film and you will see that this film does not glorify either side of the war at all, not even a little bit.
Ravensteinzh 5 months ago
everyone look like american GI's to me.
did they use the same uniform?
Borin81 5 months ago
@Borin81
Nationalist troops weren't exactly uniformly equipped, but, towards the end of the Civil War, many of the better units were equipped with lend-lease American uniforms and weaponry. It's estimated that, by 1945, around a third of the weapons in the Kuomintang's arsenal were American in origin (though I'm afraid can't give you a solid figure on how common American uniforms were).
Stheno16 5 months ago
commie bullcrap. i love how they are portrayed as professional soldiers using hand signals effectively. they were peasant scrap, nothing more.
zackhanscom 5 months ago
@zackhanscom Peasant scrap that fought for 15+ years
Seres1091 3 months ago
This film has some serious action scenes. Would be nice if there were subtitles in English so i could understand what they were saying
problazer10 6 months ago
I thought this battle scene was very realistic.
I was expecting some sort of propoganda, but this is probably close to the truth.
Arcanenoodle 6 months ago
...why did China have to help N. Korea... WHY!?...
Sacred809 6 months ago
@Sacred809 cuz they are both communist states.
Acekiller29 6 months ago
actually its alot better then and i dont even speak what they are haha
headhunter576432 6 months ago
almost as good as "Band Of Brothers"
headhunter576432 6 months ago
I love all this brainless faggots who comments how this isn't true and propaganda and all shit that comes out of their brainwashed American minds with total IQ of 20.
I hope you all burn in hell and get mutaliated by Satan himself
SMGJohn 6 months ago
@SMGJohn u mad brah?
pricture 6 months ago
band of brothers copy... made in China XD
hungder 6 months ago
another commie propaganda film.
Najismongolia 7 months ago
@Najismongolia Thats the 1. one i saw. Hollywood does bigger shit!
BullworthAcademy4 6 months ago
@BullworthAcademy4 chessy as fuck.
Najismongolia 6 months ago
The POW's the communist Chinese took were often worse off than the prisoners they killed on the field.
armandx10 7 months ago
i wonder if the commies really do take 5 to10 of P.O.W and let them live...
gucci13 7 months ago
@gucci13
Usually they didn't. Most POWs were considered useless and were often killed off. But this wasn't always the case considering these guys are all Chinese. It would be hard to kill a fellow American, wouldn't it?
extrmearrow 7 months ago
Funny how the guy is about to put his pistol down, yet when he gets executed he still has it in his hand
Niftyeye 7 months ago in playlist ww2
what is this a chinese saving private ryan?
PILCH032790 7 months ago
chinese war films are always fun to watch for a change
12357951 7 months ago
what is the name of this movie.?
payaso1393 7 months ago
nobody wants to see joint china. let them to be separate and poor like india.
T34pobeditel 7 months ago
so whos who i really got lost after the first couple of minutes
carlnardo 7 months ago
One side supplied by the russians, the other by the US. A recipe for ideological destruction.
Kornsnogen 8 months ago
dude play" War Ensemble" from slayer and it macthes up well
budzin303 8 months ago
How can people think this is the Korean war? First, it's Chinese being spoken (which sounds nothing like Korean) and second, those are Chinese characters written everywhere, not Korean hanguel. Do North Americans really get Asia that confused?
incognito84 8 months ago
hold on it is not the korean war?
FireMast23 8 months ago
smell this propaganda
ghostSP123 8 months ago
Such is life in Midgard!!!
The505Guys 8 months ago
que grande el ejercito chino algunos dicen que es propaganda capaz tienen razon pero eeuu no hace propaganda? asique mejor que los burgueses se callen
rusodelanus 8 months ago
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I love Chinese propaganda. The commies arent this charitable to save POWs, they usually killed them. By showing leniency toward Nationalist soldiers clearly define this movie as a propaganda to make modern chinese people think PLA are just and friendly.
If Taiwan has no power to free China, someone will. And when that happen, all Chinese will enjoy the freedom and justice like those from Taiwan.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon thx for the comment man but i am do not agree with you (and i am argumentative today). according to history I know, PLA not only take prisoner but they recruit from prisoners (perhaps forced to a degree), they actually make whole divisions of KMT go turncoat. You simply can't do that for being genocidal. PLA and KMT recruit from the same population and KMT was a dictatorship as well, so why PLA started small, and later became bigger than KMT?
EPsuperFan 8 months ago
@EPsuperFan KMT was really corrupted and lots of funds that are used to train and benefits soldiers ended up in the pockets of the higher up officers. Due to the communist nature of the PLA, every soldier get the same amount of benefits and treatment, even in compare to their own superior officers. That is why KMT troops turn to their enemy. But if you are curious, let me give you an example of why the CCP uses this as a propaganda.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@EPsuperFan During the Korean War, tens of thousands of PLA PoWs in American camps were given 2 options, you can either go back to the China under the CCP rule or you have the option to come to Taiwan under KMT rule. The CCP is allowed to spend 40 days with the PoWs to try to convince them to go back to China. 100% of these soldiers, according to Taiwan's historic records, chose to go to Taiwan for freedom. According to these POWs, the CCP threatened to kill their families & relatives.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@EPsuperFan The CCP is genocidal as well, like KMT. But before 1949, soldiers only worry about their livelihood. However, when Korean war began, the Chinese have seen the negative side effects of a communist regime, therefore they turned to Taiwan. And believe me when I say there are hundreds of Chinese trying to smuggle themselves to the shores of taiwan on their own will every year because CCP just isnt as good as this movie depicts.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@EPsuperFan I am not saying KMT doesnt use propaganda, both sides do. But we are talking about this movie, which is made in modern times. The difference between these two sides is that KMT or Taiwan doesn't use propaganda to brainwash their people anymore. CCP still does.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@EPsuperFan And do you really think the PLA is so well-equipped? My grandfather was Taiwan's first Airborne Special force, and he fought in the 1958, 823 Battle of Kinmen against the the Communist invasion. He told me when he is inspecting the PLA soldiers that his company shot down near the shores, the PLA have the worst equipments, clothing, and ration that he wouldnt call it "food". When they attacked him, you can see a company behind the PLA that shoot anyone who fell behind. That is PLA.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon first I salute your grandfather as a veteran soldier. I have actually never heard of a "NKVD" unit in PLA but I would take your grandpa's story since it was 823. I still stand with my understanding that PLA doesn't win by brutality but by superior advertising. I am not saying the Communist party of China is not genocidal since it committed so many crimes against Chinese people after 1949, but that is only after they took power, so another story that is.
EPsuperFan 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon and also I would not think this movie as a propaganda film. Do you know the fact that the movie is banned itself in China after premiering, since it depicts soldier's lives as miserable, and the civil war meaningless and brutal. Feng Xiaogang has never been a propaganda-ish director as well. I don't remember I argued how well-equipped PLA was, I only said they developed to a huge amount of people, they are indeed ill-equipped, like the movie depicts.
EPsuperFan 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon and I want to disclose the fact that i grew up in mainland china so my history understanding could well be wrong and biased. I do learn something from your comment so thanks to that. I still recommend you to watch the whole film since it is a good war movie. good luck
EPsuperFan 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon if you like right wing propaganda, i suggest you watch the CIA "battleplan of red china". Even in that one of an anti-red china film you don't see accusations of mass killing, but what they termed "brainwashing". So let's say PLA is good at PR and advertising, make them at least for a while look sexier than KMT. i am not saying PLAs were "just and friendly", but by then it had the support of people cause KMT govt. too sucked (in a way much like today's commie govt.).
EPsuperFan 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon so in conlusion, i don't think you should simply drag what happened during say-Soviet civil war 1917-1921, Pol Pot Massacre, North Korean and Vietnam's aggressions to their respective South-directly onto China, it was a different situation and massacre doesn't work even from a practical point of view. and of course personally i don't really like how China is working today and want some changes, on that i sort of agree with you.
EPsuperFan 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon
The movie showed them KILLING the POWs. So before you judge a movie negatively just because it's made in a country you're paranoid about, perhaps you should actually watch the damn movie first.
Anthrophobia2 8 months ago
@Anthrophobia2 I did watch the goddamn movie you dumbfuck. You really think China is all holy and shit, why dont you move there, you hypocrite fuck.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon
If you watched the movie then why did you think they treated the prisoners with "charity" as you claimed? What you say already proves your paranoia. I corrected you on one section of the movie and suddenly you assume that I "think China is all holy and shit". Apparently you still haven't gotten over the Red Scare. Cold War's over, update yourself.
Gnipify 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon
btw, the erroneous logic "why don't you move there" makes you sound like a hillbilly. It doesn't do you any favors.
Gnipify 8 months ago
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@Gnipify Again, that is your own opinion. If you can't answer my question, don't try to move around it.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon oh come on! There isn't really much war movies depicting a communist soldiers as the protagonists. If you think about most war movies, the "Good guys" are always the Western countries.I think Its good for a change to have the point of view of the "other side."
Propaganda or not, many country that make war films about their own army always make their army the good guys anyway.
magicstorm1 8 months ago
@magicstorm1 That is true. I agree.
HowYaDoingMon 8 months ago
@magicstorm1 Actually there's a plenty (hundreds, maybe even thousands) of such films ("communist soldiers as the protagonists"), usually made in communist countries.
punipunipunisher 3 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon Er... yeah, because I'm sure the Nationalist officer they shot felt they were very charitable.
Actually, it was fairly common practice during the Chinese Civil War to simply conscript captured soldiers- this was practicable mainly because a lot of the combatants were fighting simply for a regular supply of rice in their bowl, rather than for ideological reasons. In fact, a high proportion of the men who fought in Korea were former Nationalists.
Stheno16 7 months ago
@Stheno16 You are sure. Well now, wouldn't that be so convenient for the rest of world? Everyone is just "sure" of everything they want to believe in. Yeah, nice argument.
HowYaDoingMon 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon Dude, there's no call for sarcasm. If you'd like to refute me, I'm listening.
Stheno16 7 months ago
@Stheno16 See, here is the thing. I refute only to people who doesn't deserve my sarcasm. But if I launch my sarcasm on you, rest assured, you need more juice on your argument in order to call for a debate.
HowYaDoingMon 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon How very convenient for you. I'm sure the men of Marshal Zhang Xueliang's Northeastern Army could have attested the levels of defection among Civil War troops.
Stheno16 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon your an idiot, of course the communists took prisoners of war, almost half of the communist army was filled with nationalist soldiers who surrendered lol
notmysteezhomie 7 months ago
@notmysteezhomie If you really think so, you are one damn retard. Nationalists defects to CCP, but CCP never gave a damn about POWs. If you look at this movie base on your modern liberal ideals, you are the one who is a idiot.
HowYaDoingMon 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon you do realise that killing POWs would have reduced populer support significantly and destroyed the entire communist war strategy right? of course they were nice towards POWs, it was in their intrest to idealogically convert the defeated. there a reason why communist numbers swarmed from 800000 to 4 millions, and it sint because they shot POWs
powereater 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon You are the idiot. You are blinded by your preconcieved ideas and haven't put forth any info to prove your views. Read "Essential Histories: Chinese Civil War". Written by a western author, it discusses in detail the PLA policy of enlisting KMT POWs into their army. The PLA even took in 200,000 Japanese-trained CHinese soldiers of the Manchukuo Collaraborist army. THey needed well trained and experienced soldiers. It was the KMT who regularly shot POW's and they were US supported.
kempaku982 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon I don't see how this was propaganda. I saw more of that on saving Private rayn then in Assembly. No where do you see any overt showing of the Communist Party being all knind and benevolent. If any thing, this movie is critical of the CCP as it depicts how Gu Zidi and his men were ultimately used and sacrificed with little gratitude shown. BTW the PLA, in the latter stages of the war, did attempt to encourage KMT desertions by kind treatment of POWs.
kempaku982 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon funny thing cuz a lot of the soldiers they used in the korean war were KMT POWs, and u wanna know wat the KMT did to civilians they even suspected to be commies? this is war
congranwang 7 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon I have one point you fails to take into account.
The human factor.
It comes into play no matter the time or place.
Dynaphus 6 months ago
@Dynaphus You should explain it further.
HowYaDoingMon 6 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon Actually your use of the slang ''commie'' just shows you as an ignorant brat. Most of the Communist soldiers were Nationalists who were fed up with the Nationalists and thought the Communists would be better. And they usually were.
fusshia 6 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon And they usually were also surrendered soldiers.
fusshia 6 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon how is this propaganda? the guy lost all of his men, when his commender abandoned them, and the government listed them as MIA. if they wanted a propaganda film why not just pick a battle tht the PLA actually won
mz74smart 5 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon
All chinese ？ Who grant u the right to represent all the chinese people?
Enjoy ur Falungong leave us alone.
Kleinlxn 5 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon the commies cant participate in massacares since most of their army near the end were composed of almost entirely nationalist POWs
the poor state of the KMT government made defections extremely simple, there were both strategic reasons and political reasons to treat pows properly by the communist
The KMT government fell because they were incompetant, you disrespect all those who fell during the war on both said by marking this as a simple idealogical struggle
powereater 4 months ago
@HowYaDoingMon Actually they mostly let them join the communist forces. (The same happened earlier when the KMT took over the defeated warlord forces.) In Korea very many of the "Chinese Volunteers" were former KMT.
punipunipunisher 3 months ago
what is the gun at0.07 plz ?
comissairevanloc 8 months ago
The funny about this is that all what these men fought for was thrown to the side by their children
Free China
Festabenkaj 8 months ago
i dont like chenees neighter
CommanderSyler 8 months ago
please hold the camera still so we can see what going on
TheBlitz1 8 months ago
Hey guys, who would have won if the japanese had not invaded in ww2? Because before that the nationalists had the upper hand right?
Jc40k1 8 months ago
@Jc40k1
it's true Nationalist military was spread thin fighting multiple enemies, both internal and external, but i think eventually, because the majority of the people wanted Communism, the Republic would have fallen regardless. A government can only last so long against the will of its people
mofogie 8 months ago
I uploaded this movie with english sub
undergradmonk 8 months ago
whats up with the camera guy.
he can't hold a dump or something.
MrHmongRooster 8 months ago
I am korean and I really like the film...but i do feel that it is too safe to portray what the enemy or the chinese army in particular was like...but then again the movie ain't as nationalistic as saving private ryan nor doesn't portray the enemy as evil...its main focus was the human element and their loyalty to fight for their country, which in my opinion gives me respect to those chinese soldiers...
TheShinema 8 months ago 29
@TheShinema nice to hear you like it, i hope there will be more good chinese films getting accepted around the world. btw i don't even think the film is about loyalty to country at all, since it mainly shows how the country betrayed the lives of soldiers and how one man fought alone against this injustice. very touching subject i would say.
EPsuperFan 8 months ago 7
@EPsuperFan well said. I agree with you completely. Yet I must question why did he chose to go again and again into war for his country when they ignores all his sacrifices and losses after he return. He must have been very loyal toward his country.
Mrqoopie 8 months ago
@EPsuperFan u should check out a movie coming out this year. Its the team that made taegukgi...and its about a korean soldier who got drafted in the japanese,russian, and germany army in d-day. Its called My Way...
TheShinema 8 months ago
it is to shaky to see most of the surroindings
capelry 8 months ago
Wow, China obviously love the "shaky cam" effect even more than Hollywood. It's not realistic at this level it's just parkinsonian. D:
HSGoat 8 months ago
@HSGoat well its a film making technique that pretty much created by Steven Spielberg...makes you feel like u are actually there...holding that camera and witnessing the action...if u seen war documentaries...it always involve a shaky camera...
TheShinema 8 months ago
@TheShinema yeh but its a bit over the top, haven't watched vid yet, lol
capelry 8 months ago
@capelry i did and i kinda agree with you, there are moments where i feel like its soo shaky u can't see much of wats going on...but then again...if u were in a artillery attack...then of course u will feel dizzy from the ordeal...
TheShinema 8 months ago
which one are the communists and which side is the republic
TheRockinryan 8 months ago
@TheRockinryan the ones that have american type uniforms..
TheShinema 8 months ago
@TheRockinryan the communist are the one doing all the talking. Rupublics have more formal uniforms and better equipement. In this video, they are the ones with the cannon.
Mrqoopie 8 months ago
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i uploaded the whole damn movie with eng sub
undergradmonk 9 months ago
i uploaded the whole damn movie with eng sub
undergradmonk 9 months ago
Chinese propaganda.
paintdataint 9 months ago
@paintdataint Uh, I have it on blu-ray and it's not propaganda. Or if it is, then about every american war movie out there is.
OnlyLifeMatters 9 months ago
Hitler is at 2:39
imdakid97 9 months ago
kung fu and war movies ftw! haha
ervin920 9 months ago
Chinese communist soldiers ... using American M1 helmets ??
Weren't they afraid of friendly fire ?
Briselance 9 months ago
@Briselance The US was a backer and supplier to chinese nationalist during the civil war. A lot of the military gear for both sides was foreign produced and often forces would collect gear from the battlefield to resupply.
frozencanadian 9 months ago
lol M1941 johnson rifle that was rare even for Americans let alone hinese or mabe thay were given them by the yanks ?
ANZACS100 9 months ago
so many wars happened in China, without ever leaving the Chinese border...
Deathlock11 9 months ago
everybody STFU
yuanda69 9 months ago
those fucking communist should die
democracy is rock and communist is suck smell like a ass
tny0061 9 months ago
@tny0061 Troll, much?
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 How is that a troll hes telling the truth do you support being told when to eat when to die what to do?
death6998 9 months ago
@death6998 Look at his horrible grammar, lack of sentence structure and spam of insults and tell me it isn't trolling. Also, True Communism is a lot better the democracy.
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 Horrible grammar on you tube is like mold on bread....it grows
Also I would rather die in a democracy than live in communism, you just act like a blind fool who dosent know what it is truely like just some one who reads progranda made by even bigger idiots who think they know what it is.Nothen against you though dont take it that way.
death6998 9 months ago
@death6998 Tell me, do you happen to live in America?
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 Bred and kept in Texas but I am part Germen, Apache, and Cherekee on my dads side and hispanic on my moms side, why?
death6998 9 months ago
@death6998 Nothing, I was just wondering since our "democracy" is just so legitimate and freedom-based :).
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 Not since Obama came in, its redickorless I heard that they now want to arrest kids for throwing "dangerous weapons" aka snow balls. Also they dont want kids over there to play games like kick ball and football because its to "dangerous in this one my friend you won.
death6998 9 months ago
@death6998 Yeah, America is in pretty shitty condition right now. Not any better since Bush, but there's only so much we can do :/. Though I still find it hilarious that people think Obama is a reincarnation of Hitler XD.
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 its crazy for people to say obama is the reincarnation of hitker,,,,,but he certainly seems to be a reincarnation of Jimmy Carter (but with a better tan)
inkey2 9 months ago
@inkey2 LOL.
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 Obama is pretty much the opposite of Hitler >.>
OnlyLifeMatters 9 months ago
@Repenter101 Really is that why Osama is dead? His own brother obama wanted him dead.
death6998 9 months ago
@death6998 We created a martyr off of that. Mark my words, someone a lot worse then Osama is going to take over.
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 Hmm you used the royal we there...
death6998 9 months ago
@death6998 wat
Repenter101 9 months ago
@Repenter101 What did you mean by we created...
death6998 9 months ago
@tny0061 Amen brother
death6998 9 months ago
some of the korean war was fought in north east china when american pushed north korea all the way to the border but this is probably the chinese civil war
tjet861 9 months ago
@tjet861 The war never got into China bro. It was fought in North Korea and South Korea.
Tuxedo12 9 months ago
communist can suck my democratic ball sack!
jasonalexjohn 9 months ago
@jasonalexjohn
no u dont mean that....cuz china is making everything u american c0cksucker
MrR4VaG3 9 months ago
@MrR4VaG3 stfu niggga im not american im fucking asian get that straight and learn to spell u "cocksucker" its my opinion u cant judge me u ass fuck plus all china is doing is suppying the u.s isnt that what all countrys do for each other? exactly u fuck head
jasonalexjohn 9 months ago
@jasonalexjohn Now why to say that. There hasn't been a single communist country in the world since the ideology was founded, because all the self-claimed "communistic" states have been pretty much the opposite to their ideology. So, for true communistic/socialistic society you should seek for Nordic countries, and guess what? Finland and Norway have repeatedly been listed the best countries to live in.
OnlyLifeMatters 9 months ago
fucking comunist
tny0061 9 months ago
Finally a movie that is not about flag waving and full of BS propaganda unlike the majority of Chinese, America, British and Russian films (mainly TV shows). Instead, this demonstrates the horrors of war. I don't think we should be concerned about who were the "baddies" and "goodies". At the time of conflict, both sides were totalitarian. The film's main objective is to illustrate the veterans of all conflicts , regardless of the side,who were neglected by their governments'/ general public.
5567729 10 months ago
U said its not set in the korean war as well when in actualy fact it is later in the movie I mean when u see that american tank and that so I guess its about the chinese civil war and the korean war .
scottweise18 10 months ago
Even the term "human wave" in Korea or atleast the early stages of the Korean intervention was a misnomer. Attack in 1950 did not heavily outnumber the UN (US and Korean) forces. Human wave meant moving around the strong points , especially a western army tied to its supply lines. Huge defeat for the US military. When KOrean front stabilized in late 1951, then the "Human wave" attacks were more like mass attacks
bizhist 10 months ago
@bizhist yeah suicidal tactics do not favor large army to much is lost in one attack .for a poorly trained malita its effeictiveness is agruable
budzin303 9 months ago
What would happen if Mainland China goes the way of the Soviet Union ? Of course it'll be different but with two China's claiming sovereignty over the other who can say whether we'll have another Chinese Civil War again .
scottweise18 10 months ago
Why you all argueing about the chinese civil war isn't this movie set in the Korean war?
kingsman565 11 months ago
@kingsman565 //facepalm...
Litzen2k 10 months ago
@kingsman565 No its in China . Theyre speaking Chinese obviously . Lol .
scottweise18 10 months ago
the japanese were wayyyy better than the chinese by a long shot if japanese antique horse drawn artillery r superior to chinese arms then i think japan would have won if we wouldnt have bailed china out
GuyPennebaker 11 months ago
@GuyPennebaker We didnt even do anything ! All we did was send hundreds of planes to help(thats actually not alot) and some generals but thats about it. Also Japan already did win they captured the KMT's capital of Nanking and when a country loses its capital then it pretty much lost the war ,the only thing was that the Chinese rebelled especially the Communists , now they didnt surrender unlike the Nationalists.
ILOVEPUSSIES1000 11 months ago
People are so uninformed about wars not fought by their own country. Communist army used soviet weapons and captured american weapons while Nationalist uses American weapons. Why wouldn't they have sophisticated weapons?
ximagus 11 months ago 4
The kmt lost a whole army of 600 000 in the campaign. They had better weapons but generally lacked the ideology of the communist.
JulianThePhilosopher 11 months ago
I love how opinions of the enemy changes when you see their side of the story
TheKale808 11 months ago
Damn im Asian and i don't know how to speak Chinese
brianthao102 11 months ago
It would be hard to tell the difference between this battle scene and the nearly identical Korean movie '71- Into the Fire' (2010) opening battle scene. In either case it's almost like watching somebody reenacting a WW2 First Person Shooter game using Band of Brothers style cinematography.
VPSantiago 11 months ago
Yeah yeah, all the communist soldiers turns out to be sharp shooters. While the nationalists are not....
zumwane 1 year ago
@zumwane Yea didn't you know that in the korean war Chinese soldiers shot pilots in there cockpits!... XD just joking it's an action movie not a history movie, and in action movies the "good" guys hit every thing they shoot at even thru brick walls!!
MrDrakir 11 months ago
When the Captain (in the helmet) and the comissar (in the ballcap) are argueing, the comissar wants to attack right then and there, while the captain wants to let the soldiers reorginize to avoid getting them all killed. Just in case anyone was wondering.
toby4700 1 year ago
@toby4700
thanks:)
ucsbstep 1 year ago
@ucsbstep No problem.
toby4700 1 year ago
@toby4700
thanks:)
ucsbstep 1 year ago
What was this about, a group of guys, from the same village or town, join up and fight... Then eventually the brothers in arms begin to die one by one in countless battles...
colonelchris92 1 year ago
1:57 fuckin hilarious
blow that shitbreath faggot to pieces
babygangster911 1 year ago
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hippotoast 1 year ago