Plus many more I can name but I'm not gonna spoon feed you.....do some reserch and school ur selves...I can only open the door...........fresh for 2011 you suuuuuucccckkkaaaazzzzz
Wow...did I see some one say eminem?...se said political...like all their music or career delt with being political .....so erase jadakiss what ever dumb fuk wrote that shit....trick daddy?.......if I was ur older brother and I made u write me down a list and u put trick daddy before u got to the y in daddy id smack u up side the had.....pac ill let in cuz the songs he did were more powerfll then his later suge stuff.......when money became afactor.....
... and forgetting where you came from and all the morals that got you there (weather it good or bad). so next time you want to open your mouth and speak on the behalf of a race or a subculture such as hip hop, know your knowledge and background before you make a fool out of yourself
..."real hip hop" then youre giving hip hop a bad name by spitting out blasphemy that would never even be spoken by the likes of who you claim (ex. mos def). and doing a movie/moving to a better location isnt the basis of selling out. isnt that what the hood represent (and dont you dare try and say i dont know hood cause you have no clue where im from) trying to leave the life of struggle and oppression behind and make a living off of anything you can. selling out is forgetting that drive...
what does being white have anything to do with knowing what a sell out is or isnt. thats like saying that not once have you ever heard a black person call someone a sell out. selling out/making real hip hop isnt about race, religion, or any of that shit. its about the social hierarchy. the top class vs the middle/lower. the fact that you want to label something as being "white" or "black" is absurd, that only makes you ignorant and shows samples of racism, which if youre talking about....
uncle sam goddamn by brother ali is tight as fuck...........eminem is usually mainstream industrial shit.....and his lyricism is sub par.......if you like eminem you probably like gunit and lol wayne too.
just to throw this out there Zac de la rocka has alot of underground political stuff one day as a lion also CIA with the last emperor krs and ZAC bring in the inRAGE flow
Nice Post..very attractive. Immortal tecnique is serious.But he's a racist.So is most of the rappers u named.Sad but true.Eminem is garbage compared to his olden days
@FindRealHipHop Listen to his lyrics..."Crackers like nysync" Crackers? Why am i going to support someone that is racist? the illuminati ARE NOT REAL.get over the shit.i lost respect for technique after hearing that shit.I'm a white boy who grew up relatively poor in baltimore city.Does this make me a "Cracker?" i'm not rich.I wasn't born into wealth.but idiots seem to think that
@BeyondInfinite1 I'm white too, but the cracker comment didn't offend me at all. If you don't get what he means when he employs such a slur then I'm sure he's glad to lose a moron like you from his fanbase. The Illuminati are not real? Is that the extent of your knowledge on the subject? A brainless one liner like that? Youtube makes me feel smarter every day.
@shaundewey i was fucking waitin for her to say THEM too...fucking douche bags who dont know reall hip hop..she prob just google searched it in 5 mins that fuckin bitch
@Siva3Enthroned your ridiculous. I guess you think one has to sell no more than a handful of albums and can't be popular beyond your circle of friends or their a 'sell-out'. You must be white.
@resteep Tupac is one my my favourite artists genius, I won't allow your terrible reading comprehension skills to reflect negatively on me. You know I'm white because 2 comments prior my comment started with "I'm white". What do you think me being white tells you about me? I'd like to know.
@Siva3Enthroned It tells me you know nothing about the culture you criticize from the outside. You 'illumanti' shit is a gimmick, like PM dawn. You're a clown. GO back to listening to nickleback and nirvana, white boy
@resteep So how does being black make you know about "the culture"? Also, how does any knowledge of rap at all make you more knowledgeable about the occult, the mechanics of Capitalism, etc? The ignorant are the first to make feeble remarks and draw wild conclusions, because they lack the intelligence and knowledge to draw logical ones. I apologise for hurting your feelings, but insulting me via stereotypes just shows you have nothing on me personally, and thus reflects on me positively.
@Siva3Enthroned Look, hip hop is a culture that, like any cultural sub-group, jhas a level of cultural relativity and context within the larger social structure. You criticize a few rappers as being 'illumnati' or whatever because that is your own world view. And that's fine, within the context of your OWN sub-group in the larger culture. But your criticism of hip hop will likely always be that of an outsider. You are welcome to it, but you would do yourself a favor... (cont)
@Siva3Enthroned (cont) a favor to recognize that your criticism of, say Mos Def as being a 'sell out hollywood whore' is not fact, but merely your opiinion from your perspective. For one to 'sell out', one has to sell out their own values, from within their own cultural norms. Apparently you think mos def being in a movie is a compromise of his values, although i personally see no evidence of this. To place your own vaguely-defined morals onto another artist and then claim they 'sold out' is...
@Siva3Enthroned (cont2) ...a symptom of 'whiteness' (in my opinion) because it's typical of the larger, dominant white culture to impose their own cultural norms onto other minority's subcultures.
In addition, I find it interesting that Tupac passes your apparently relative 'legit' test, since he, too, starred in at least one hollywood movie, and made pop-party music with the digital underground. Personally, I appreciate all kinds of rappers who have talent and convey their message creatively.
@resteep Tupac sold his soul, this is fact. But he tried to get it back. My issue with Mos Def is people who speak political truths like him are held down in Hollywood, this I have seen an infinite amount of evidence of. This is why Mos Def and Charlie Sheen, to me, must certainly have made some serious compromises behind closed doors. You lacking that knowledge and research doesn't make me "White", it makes you ignorant.
@Siva3Enthroned Your idea of 'sell-out' seems to be based on some very privileged standards. Artists should starve in order to satisfy your standards of purity. That is the biggest give-away not to your skin-tone, but to your place/class in society.
I'd be curious to know what passes your purity test. Please provide some examples of 'non-sell-outs', and how you yourself uphold those same ideals you hold artists to.
@resteep Listening to hip hop and being "in the culture" just seems to mean with you that you appreciate the music for the music, that's fine, but that kind of appreciation doesn't help you with your knowledge of Capitalism and the like. I didn't try to impose any cultural norm, since when was it a cultural norm for white people to distrust those that seem to go against the grain but make big dollars? You're making this stuff up as you go along.
@resteep I don't know if you noticed but pretty much the entire hip hop industry has sold out, and the "wider social structure" you speak of is now everyone. For the legit rap still out there, how does race effect your lifestyle? You think there're no poor white people? You think white people have it in their blood to conquer weaker nations? It's control from above by a small elite. Even the men who owned the slave trade were Jews not whites. Me being more knowledgable than you doesn't make...
@Siva3Enthroned 'more knowledgeable'. That's my point exactly. You think the modicum of superficial political ideology you've latched on to in your youth somehow grants you some actual insight into how the world works. You don like hip hop, you just like music you agree with. Go jerk off to some RATM or something.
@resteep "Go jerk off to some RATM or something." Only thing worth reading in that entire tirade, and I'll take you up on that too, I'll be thinking of you sweetheart ;)
@resteep ...me too "white" to comment or outside your "cultural sub-group". You have no idea who I know, who I spend my time with, what I spend that time doing, what my interests are, yet you have defined me. Once again, this is ignorance.
@resteep I'd also like to know how you "knew" my distrust of these artists (who blatantly promote mainstream agendas in their lyrics, especially KRS 1 the New Age agenda shill) stemmed from the fact that I have a strict "don't sell albums outside your circle of friends" rule? You're a genius, a complete genius.
@Siva3Enthroned Oh. I should have known you would be one of those "Jay Z is illuminatti cuz triangles are satanic'" water-heads.
Have fun listening to whatever talentless rappers drop the right key-words for you to find them acceptable o your own bizarre, half-baked 'theories.' LOL.
@resteep Typical retort of the unintelligent halfwit that hasn't even started doing his research. Triangles have nothing to do with why people think Jay Z is Illuminati, and I'm sure Diabolic knows more about rap than your insecure ass and he's white. This doesn't surprise me, only a halfwit would interpret a stereotype literally in this diverse world and as soon as you said "you must be white" I knew it was a halfwit I was dealing with.
NWA??? In their day Easy E said over and over they dont get into politics. I think people should have voted for Ice Cube as a soloist and on the political tip also was Ice T.
Aussie rap groups Hilltop Hoods and Bliss n Eso do some political shit (e.g. Sea is Rising, Bullet and a Target), but most of you outside Australia probably haven't heard of them because they're not mainstream (because they didn't sellout).
Nah, the main reason is because they're White and outside of America.
Most rappers outside of the States never get the recognition they deserve - and about nobody seeing them, they've both done plenty of live shows and put out more than 3 albums each, so shut your mouth before saying anything you don't understand.
lol immortal technique thats so true. lol he is sick but sometimes i think he is over serious. like if he was the type of dude who would get a gun and go shoot bush
Hip hop is major ONLY about..scoring bithces..getting drunk..killing white people..and making loud noises on the corus and it makes no sense..that's the new hip hop..
Mainstream hip hop is never about killing white people. White people sign their checks. Who you think owns all the studios and labels? Any racist hip hop artist would be forced to go totally indie. And hell, now the indie hip hop crowd is mostly white.
I know. I will point out, though, that I like that he's apolitical. All my favorite rappers are. Let's be real: 90% of musicians, regardless of genre, are totally unqualified to talk about politics. They don't know what they're talking about. Political theory is something people spend years studying. Ex: David Banner spouts bullshit about how gangs need to unite to stop the violence in the hood. Gangs don't fucking work that way. He's in a fantasy world. I still like his rap though.
And much less rappers, most of who never get past secondary school anyway.
The actual political rappers mostly come from the underground and aren't as marketed and restrained in their speech, but don't get the attention that mainstream artists do.
Honestly, Banner and Wayne are two of the worst cases of mainstream - made off hooks and beats and mediocre lyrics. I mean I listen to them, they're not part of what is keeping hip hop alive.
I expected this. It's so mainstream to hate on Wayne nowadays. People don't realize how innovative he is. He's taken free-assocation rhyme to new heights. Just reading his lyrics and realizing how his mind works is fun. Listen to Da Droughts 2 and 3 and Dedication 2 to see Wayne at his finest. For a more recent example, see
"We Be Steady Mobbin".
As for Banner, he's really not so bad. Southern lyricism is different from East Coast, but it has it's own merits. People shouldn't dismiss it.
Nah, I never liked Wayne from the start or considered him lyrical. I mean I'll have a look, but only rappers like Nas fit my definition of true lyricism at this moment in time, after sifting through some good ol' oldschool.
About Banner, I love Southern Rap, Ludacris is one of my favorite rappers. Banner's beats are awesome but I mean lyrical in the sense of having a deeper message/meaning.
Well I think it's fair to point out that many great MCs don't have deeper meanings to their lyrics. Method Man hasn't said one damn meaningful thing his entire career, but he's still one of the greats. To me, it's all about the wordplay, the inventiveness, similes and metaphors. That's why Biggie is considered up there w/ Tupac, even though Pac's lyrics were charged with political outrage, and Biggie just spit that mafioso rap.
Sure, which is why Ludacris is one of my favourite rappers even though he makes what some would label sell-out tracks too, about rolling on 24's, pussy poppin etc etc.
Alright, you've convinced me to take a second look into Lil Wayne but honestly, his style is wearing out a lot of me like whenever anyone mainstream does TOO many features (like Akon a while back), and you get so entirely sick of hearing their voice.
It's true, Wayne's on practically everything nowadays, and I wouldn't for a minute suggest that all of his material is good. He can be pretty inconsistent at times. I'm just saying people should judge him by his best AND worst material, not just the latter.
its good to hear someone give wayne credit. YES, he can be annoying as fuck sometimes but he is an a dope mc. Even if he doesnt have a lot of deep content. Im not a wayne dick ridder like some but i do respect all talent and give credit where its due.
I can see if you dont like him because im not crazy about him. I think he's fake as fuck and a wannabe gang banger but the nigga can spit his ass off. Sayin he's garbage and not saying he has any talent discredits the critic. If he wasnt a talented MC he wouldnt be respected by other MCs. Im NOT saying he's the best but he's a talented nigga.
I knew I wasn't alone in that. People, there's a reason you don't see critics hating on Wayne as bad as most of you do. He's a pioneer in psychedellic hip hop.
waynes biggest problem is over exposure... and the whole kissing Baby thing LOL (that was GAY AS FUCK), but before the success of the carter 2 he got a tremendous amount of credit for being a lyricst and thats not something that happens unless its really true. Think about it, people love Snoop but nobody considers him an mc. The title of an MC or Lyricist is EARNED, not given*
Yeah, notice that until Lollipop, the man didn't have a top 10 signal. He didn't even have an album for years between Tha Carter's II and III. Yet he still had all that buzz. That shit doesn't just happen.
Too much exposure can really make people hate you. Look at G-Unit. They never recovered from it and though 50 may be ok financially, at night when he lays in bed im sure he would trade a lot of that money for respect.
Nas should be number 1 his latest album proves it and his song "Sly Fox" is just amazing but the one that says it all is his song "America" dope shit!
right the mc is like dead unless overseas like i need to move or something cause im not these braindead 808 heads di ya ever hear gucci mane"stupid"??? like outta the songs this bubba gump muthafucka could've made andall he think about is Stupidity!!!the game fuckedup rick ross made grown men cough
he had way more than mosh... what about white america? the words used were radical, political, mainstream and your telling me eminem doesnt embody all those and if not then something is up with you... eminem had federal courts trying to take his daughter and put his ass in jail for his lyrics, gays and lesbian protesting against him, he had the fcc and congressman panties in knots...
not mainstream? you ignorant prick!!! eminem has shown time and time again that he is political and very radical. how about you go turn up your autotuned march of the clones douchbag music while jacking off to lil wayne pretending to be a rock star
Bruh, Eminem fell off years ago. I don't know why you Eminem fans try to come together and defend Eminem's rap career. HIS YEARS ARE OVER! Yeah, I know you want to go put your head on your dads shoulder and cry because I'm giving you the honest truth. Go masturbate to Eminem's song "Mocking Bird" with your tears.
Exactly, dumbass Eminem fans need to pay attention to the lyrics in "Beautiful". Eminem already knows that his time is over. He is one of my favorite rappers though. I'm not dissing Eminem, because I'll say the same thing about Lil' Wayne to.
@evilinyoureyes Eminem is about politically radical as a turd. Radical? Yes. Political? When his cowardly little ass can get away with it. Radically political? NEVER.
Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common, The Roots, Siagon, Pep Love, The Pharcyde
MrJamell21 2 months ago
you forgot lowkey
Mr12miguel12 2 months ago
tupac
armondcb 3 months ago
lupe fiasco
flyinghotwing 4 months ago
paris
flyinghotwing 4 months ago
Xclan
P.e.
Immortal technique
Xclan
P.r.t
Paris
The coup
Dead prez
Plus many more I can name but I'm not gonna spoon feed you.....do some reserch and school ur selves...I can only open the door...........fresh for 2011 you suuuuuucccckkkaaaazzzzz
WestCoastRedskin 5 months ago
@WestCoastRedskin bullshit, u dont remember any more, if you do then spill it and let it out, fuck the research, you are the source.
flyinghotwing 4 months ago
Wow...did I see some one say eminem?...se said political...like all their music or career delt with being political .....so erase jadakiss what ever dumb fuk wrote that shit....trick daddy?.......if I was ur older brother and I made u write me down a list and u put trick daddy before u got to the y in daddy id smack u up side the had.....pac ill let in cuz the songs he did were more powerfll then his later suge stuff.......when money became afactor.....
Yz.
Poor righttious teachers
WestCoastRedskin 5 months ago
Mos Def Talib Kweli Jay Electronica
SlyBeGone 5 months ago
gotta go with outkast as well...but they were more about spiritual knowledge of self rather than revolutionary political...
johnstoyk 7 months ago
immortal technique, 2pac, lupe fiasco, mos def and eminem
blue4lifenevared 8 months ago
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jmclell20 8 months ago
pitolove71 9 months ago
rebel diaz!!!
marymalone4 10 months ago
lowkey
TheRebelpit 10 months ago 2
rebe; diaz!
TheJbrrd 10 months ago
you forgot me!
ppplild 11 months ago
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maximusmak 11 months ago
Dead Prez, Immortal Technique, Canibus, Jedi Mind Tricks, NWA, 2Pac, X-Clan, Mos Def, Nas, KRS One
Piecesrestonthabed 11 months ago
... and forgetting where you came from and all the morals that got you there (weather it good or bad). so next time you want to open your mouth and speak on the behalf of a race or a subculture such as hip hop, know your knowledge and background before you make a fool out of yourself
prodigiouslinguist 11 months ago
..."real hip hop" then youre giving hip hop a bad name by spitting out blasphemy that would never even be spoken by the likes of who you claim (ex. mos def). and doing a movie/moving to a better location isnt the basis of selling out. isnt that what the hood represent (and dont you dare try and say i dont know hood cause you have no clue where im from) trying to leave the life of struggle and oppression behind and make a living off of anything you can. selling out is forgetting that drive...
prodigiouslinguist 11 months ago
what does being white have anything to do with knowing what a sell out is or isnt. thats like saying that not once have you ever heard a black person call someone a sell out. selling out/making real hip hop isnt about race, religion, or any of that shit. its about the social hierarchy. the top class vs the middle/lower. the fact that you want to label something as being "white" or "black" is absurd, that only makes you ignorant and shows samples of racism, which if youre talking about....
prodigiouslinguist 11 months ago
Immortal Tech
7Beyonder 11 months ago
Flobots, Blackalicious, and Remo Conscious them's my three to add just cause some of ya'll might Not have heard them yet, but you should ;)
Peachypadgett 1 year ago
mos def, black thought, ,LAUREN HILL for cyin out loud...how about prodigy of mobb deep...u missed a bunch of legens homegirl
818MRDREW 1 year ago
I like 'Poor Righteous Teachers' and 'Brand Nubian' for radical consciousness.
RecordStr8 1 year ago
i know im late n all but tha most radical rapper is Tupac but the most political is without a doubt Immortal Technique
rocky728R 1 year ago
Public Enemy/Chuck D-Professor Griff-Sista Souljah
Boogie Down Productions/KRS ONE
Paris (The Devil Made Me Do It/Bush Killa/Assata's Song)
X Clan/Isis-Queen Mother Rage
Poor Righteous Teachers
IceManLikeGervin 1 year ago
Don't ya'll just love douchey white, privileged suburban kids who call legends like KRS one and Nas 'sellouts'?
resteep 1 year ago
KRS 1 and NAS are just whores shilling for the New World Order, fuck them.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
uhh wheee u r cute!!! :)
TheWesOne 1 year ago
U forgot ZACK DE LA ROCHA one of the best political and revolutionary rappers of all time...
luar626 1 year ago
uncle sam goddamn by brother ali is tight as fuck...........eminem is usually mainstream industrial shit.....and his lyricism is sub par.......if you like eminem you probably like gunit and lol wayne too.
chp656s 1 year ago
she forgot about lowkey!
jpfarts12 1 year ago 2
just to throw this out there Zac de la rocka has alot of underground political stuff one day as a lion also CIA with the last emperor krs and ZAC bring in the inRAGE flow
nelippez 1 year ago
papoose is political too
his song Drop it
the BET cypher
Law library
my fav line he said of all his song is
"motha fuck george bush i like my presidents dead"
Canibus is a beast, he's political and spiritual and inteligent, most of all he can fukin rap
listen to curiculum 101 and his 2012 song
tahthedon 1 year ago
Thats what real HipHop is about..."The cry of the Ghetto", Political, Poetry with rythum!!
bukeecano 1 year ago
girl you fly as fuck can i put you on my list boo!
DeviousH90 1 year ago
Nice Post..very attractive. Immortal tecnique is serious.But he's a racist.So is most of the rappers u named.Sad but true.Eminem is garbage compared to his olden days
BeyondInfinite1 1 year ago
@BeyondInfinite1 how is immortal technique racist?
FindRealHipHop 1 year ago
@FindRealHipHop Listen to his lyrics..."Crackers like nysync" Crackers? Why am i going to support someone that is racist? the illuminati ARE NOT REAL.get over the shit.i lost respect for technique after hearing that shit.I'm a white boy who grew up relatively poor in baltimore city.Does this make me a "Cracker?" i'm not rich.I wasn't born into wealth.but idiots seem to think that
BeyondInfinite1 1 year ago
@BeyondInfinite1 I'm white too, but the cracker comment didn't offend me at all. If you don't get what he means when he employs such a slur then I'm sure he's glad to lose a moron like you from his fanbase. The Illuminati are not real? Is that the extent of your knowledge on the subject? A brainless one liner like that? Youtube makes me feel smarter every day.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@BeyondInfinite1 how is tech racist? when he says were have human beings! and you colour doesn matter?
hotchoccolate23 1 year ago
this girl is real cute and got sexy lips
tdb514 1 year ago
1.2pac 3.dead prez 2. immortal technique 5.lowkey 4. public enemy but immortal technique dead prez aint mainstream
julioshawtylean76 1 year ago
dont forget Akir and Diabolic people
shaundewey 1 year ago
@shaundewey i was fucking waitin for her to say THEM too...fucking douche bags who dont know reall hip hop..she prob just google searched it in 5 mins that fuckin bitch
BonkersTheBear 1 year ago
"The powerful never owned a pair of working pants/but there quick to kill your health insurance plan"
Sage Francis
also The Coup
Sagefrakrobatik 1 year ago
SAGE FRANCIS
Conspiracy to Riot
Slow down Ghandhi
Make Shift Patriot
The whole Healthy Distrust album
Sagefrakrobatik 1 year ago
u4got mos def.
jaganmaster 1 year ago
immortal technique es lo maximo
& joel oritz
knowledgeispower99 1 year ago
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MasterBrisbine 1 year ago
Lowkey and Immortal Technique are up on the same level.
After you get AKALA, The Narcicyst, Lupe Fiasco, Mos Def, Rockin Squat, Medine,
Theres to many to name..
mohanadalnakeeb 1 year ago
FTP, Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, Paris, Precise Science
abuhasam 1 year ago
immortal technique
that´s all he raps about
and he´s the best to do it
he actually studied something about politics but i think he didnt finish his career
61n9ner 2 years ago
Immortal Technique
josesanti2007 2 years ago
You forgot Theloneus Jones. Check him out on youtube.
Shanikko 2 years ago
dead prez
immortal t
paris
p.e.
nas
wade12393 2 years ago
Immortal Technique
TechniqueForum 2 years ago 7
Mos Def man
Khani2k9 2 years ago 7
@Khani2k9 Mos Def is a mainstream Hollywood whore, talk about shill. Jesus, you guys would trust anybody.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned your ridiculous. I guess you think one has to sell no more than a handful of albums and can't be popular beyond your circle of friends or their a 'sell-out'. You must be white.
resteep 1 year ago
@resteep Tupac is one my my favourite artists genius, I won't allow your terrible reading comprehension skills to reflect negatively on me. You know I'm white because 2 comments prior my comment started with "I'm white". What do you think me being white tells you about me? I'd like to know.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned It tells me you know nothing about the culture you criticize from the outside. You 'illumanti' shit is a gimmick, like PM dawn. You're a clown. GO back to listening to nickleback and nirvana, white boy
resteep 1 year ago
@resteep So how does being black make you know about "the culture"? Also, how does any knowledge of rap at all make you more knowledgeable about the occult, the mechanics of Capitalism, etc? The ignorant are the first to make feeble remarks and draw wild conclusions, because they lack the intelligence and knowledge to draw logical ones. I apologise for hurting your feelings, but insulting me via stereotypes just shows you have nothing on me personally, and thus reflects on me positively.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned Look, hip hop is a culture that, like any cultural sub-group, jhas a level of cultural relativity and context within the larger social structure. You criticize a few rappers as being 'illumnati' or whatever because that is your own world view. And that's fine, within the context of your OWN sub-group in the larger culture. But your criticism of hip hop will likely always be that of an outsider. You are welcome to it, but you would do yourself a favor... (cont)
resteep 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned (cont) a favor to recognize that your criticism of, say Mos Def as being a 'sell out hollywood whore' is not fact, but merely your opiinion from your perspective. For one to 'sell out', one has to sell out their own values, from within their own cultural norms. Apparently you think mos def being in a movie is a compromise of his values, although i personally see no evidence of this. To place your own vaguely-defined morals onto another artist and then claim they 'sold out' is...
resteep 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned (cont2) ...a symptom of 'whiteness' (in my opinion) because it's typical of the larger, dominant white culture to impose their own cultural norms onto other minority's subcultures.
In addition, I find it interesting that Tupac passes your apparently relative 'legit' test, since he, too, starred in at least one hollywood movie, and made pop-party music with the digital underground. Personally, I appreciate all kinds of rappers who have talent and convey their message creatively.
resteep 1 year ago
@resteep Tupac sold his soul, this is fact. But he tried to get it back. My issue with Mos Def is people who speak political truths like him are held down in Hollywood, this I have seen an infinite amount of evidence of. This is why Mos Def and Charlie Sheen, to me, must certainly have made some serious compromises behind closed doors. You lacking that knowledge and research doesn't make me "White", it makes you ignorant.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned Your idea of 'sell-out' seems to be based on some very privileged standards. Artists should starve in order to satisfy your standards of purity. That is the biggest give-away not to your skin-tone, but to your place/class in society.
I'd be curious to know what passes your purity test. Please provide some examples of 'non-sell-outs', and how you yourself uphold those same ideals you hold artists to.
resteep 1 year ago
@resteep Listening to hip hop and being "in the culture" just seems to mean with you that you appreciate the music for the music, that's fine, but that kind of appreciation doesn't help you with your knowledge of Capitalism and the like. I didn't try to impose any cultural norm, since when was it a cultural norm for white people to distrust those that seem to go against the grain but make big dollars? You're making this stuff up as you go along.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@resteep I don't know if you noticed but pretty much the entire hip hop industry has sold out, and the "wider social structure" you speak of is now everyone. For the legit rap still out there, how does race effect your lifestyle? You think there're no poor white people? You think white people have it in their blood to conquer weaker nations? It's control from above by a small elite. Even the men who owned the slave trade were Jews not whites. Me being more knowledgable than you doesn't make...
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned 'more knowledgeable'. That's my point exactly. You think the modicum of superficial political ideology you've latched on to in your youth somehow grants you some actual insight into how the world works. You don like hip hop, you just like music you agree with. Go jerk off to some RATM or something.
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resteep 1 year ago
@resteep "Go jerk off to some RATM or something." Only thing worth reading in that entire tirade, and I'll take you up on that too, I'll be thinking of you sweetheart ;)
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@resteep ...me too "white" to comment or outside your "cultural sub-group". You have no idea who I know, who I spend my time with, what I spend that time doing, what my interests are, yet you have defined me. Once again, this is ignorance.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@resteep I'd also like to know how you "knew" my distrust of these artists (who blatantly promote mainstream agendas in their lyrics, especially KRS 1 the New Age agenda shill) stemmed from the fact that I have a strict "don't sell albums outside your circle of friends" rule? You're a genius, a complete genius.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
@Siva3Enthroned Oh. I should have known you would be one of those "Jay Z is illuminatti cuz triangles are satanic'" water-heads.
Have fun listening to whatever talentless rappers drop the right key-words for you to find them acceptable o your own bizarre, half-baked 'theories.' LOL.
resteep 1 year ago
@resteep Typical retort of the unintelligent halfwit that hasn't even started doing his research. Triangles have nothing to do with why people think Jay Z is Illuminati, and I'm sure Diabolic knows more about rap than your insecure ass and he's white. This doesn't surprise me, only a halfwit would interpret a stereotype literally in this diverse world and as soon as you said "you must be white" I knew it was a halfwit I was dealing with.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
Ras Kass
sonicsoundwaveus 2 years ago
P.R.T.!!!
jbubbjw 2 years ago
No particular order,
Krs One
Immortal Technique
Sage Francis
Zack De La Rocha
Nas
Pretty typical list, but they'd be the most influential artists who arent afraid of a bit of political contraversy.
IntelektAUS 2 years ago
u forgot LOWKEY !!!!
xxAtrinxx 2 years ago
bugs bunny, daffy duck, thunder cats, tweetie, the whole ninja turtles, and Peewee Hermen
Rali272 2 years ago 3
yall missed killer mike (mike bigga whatever he calls himself these days)
zone3hustler 2 years ago
In no particular order :
Chuck D
KRS-ONE
Headliner (Arrested Development)
Paris
X Clan
BillyKnockout 2 years ago
don't forget about beast 1333,Akrobatik,Rmean,Cise Starr & Akin vinnie paz,the whole jedi mind trick family jus allah,outerspace,Euphrates,Tonedeff,Binary Star....
kayson6 2 years ago
1. KRS-One
2. Ice T
3. Zack De La Rocha
4. Sage Francis
5. Ice Cube
bostonjoemattson 2 years ago
eminem radical as a mothafucka
dissyNL 2 years ago
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Mackadoeshez 2 years ago
Kanye West
bootyplus 2 years ago
NWA??? In their day Easy E said over and over they dont get into politics. I think people should have voted for Ice Cube as a soloist and on the political tip also was Ice T.
DarkBro71 2 years ago 3
Aussie rap groups Hilltop Hoods and Bliss n Eso do some political shit (e.g. Sea is Rising, Bullet and a Target), but most of you outside Australia probably haven't heard of them because they're not mainstream (because they didn't sellout).
Sangfroidation 2 years ago
HIp Hop's Most Radical & Political Mainstream MC's#
keyword being mainstream lol
theres a reason people dont sell out its because nobody came to see them haha
siriusseifer 2 years ago
Nah, the main reason is because they're White and outside of America.
Most rappers outside of the States never get the recognition they deserve - and about nobody seeing them, they've both done plenty of live shows and put out more than 3 albums each, so shut your mouth before saying anything you don't understand.
Sangfroidation 2 years ago
1.Public Enemy
2.Imortal tech
3. Mos Def
4. KRS1
5. Nas
130902cn 2 years ago 2
immortal technique shoulda been NO.1!
Samueln8er 2 years ago
BOOTS from the COUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tridat516 2 years ago 3
damn baby girl you are fine brown sugar
brhmgrant 2 years ago
Mos Def gotta be on that list too...
ColtYohn 2 years ago
Political= Immortal Technique
PeaceSeekers 2 years ago 17
omg i want to cream all over that brown skin
madzikud02 2 years ago
lol immortal technique thats so true. lol he is sick but sometimes i think he is over serious. like if he was the type of dude who would get a gun and go shoot bush
nameless12345 2 years ago
I think he would.
PeaceSeekers 2 years ago
wow, how did u guys forget about
"george bush doesn't care about black people"
that was radical as hell.
YellowJarrett 2 years ago
Kanye talks a lot of BS but does he rap radically?
PeaceSeekers 2 years ago
v true, but never the less, he's done what very few other rappers have done. and he did it on arguably the biggest stage
YellowJarrett 2 years ago
Kanye raps Radically Bad =]
RizzyWow 2 years ago
Does Will I Am count? He made that song for Barack Obama called Yes We Can.
earnestf 2 years ago
Immortal Technique is more political than any other rapper.
He can even see this two-party nonsense.
Marcell2aG 2 years ago
DEAD PREZ
#1 in my book.
6663000 2 years ago
where's mos def?!
and not that this fits with the list nor should he be on there, but brother ali is sorta sorta political? maybe? hahah
hellograss 2 years ago
Hip hop is major ONLY about..scoring bithces..getting drunk..killing white people..and making loud noises on the corus and it makes no sense..that's the new hip hop..
MrNotAFag 2 years ago
Mainstream hip hop is never about killing white people. White people sign their checks. Who you think owns all the studios and labels? Any racist hip hop artist would be forced to go totally indie. And hell, now the indie hip hop crowd is mostly white.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago 3
2pac, KRS One, NWA, Prodigy & ODB
dasp0t1 2 years ago
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badboypj1 2 years ago
How the fuck were Wayne and Biggie political again? Even Jay-z ain't that political.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago 3
Agreed. Lil Wayne - political? Honestly, who could come up with such a thing?
Sangfroidation 2 years ago
I know. I will point out, though, that I like that he's apolitical. All my favorite rappers are. Let's be real: 90% of musicians, regardless of genre, are totally unqualified to talk about politics. They don't know what they're talking about. Political theory is something people spend years studying. Ex: David Banner spouts bullshit about how gangs need to unite to stop the violence in the hood. Gangs don't fucking work that way. He's in a fantasy world. I still like his rap though.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago
And much less rappers, most of who never get past secondary school anyway.
The actual political rappers mostly come from the underground and aren't as marketed and restrained in their speech, but don't get the attention that mainstream artists do.
Honestly, Banner and Wayne are two of the worst cases of mainstream - made off hooks and beats and mediocre lyrics. I mean I listen to them, they're not part of what is keeping hip hop alive.
Sangfroidation 2 years ago
I expected this. It's so mainstream to hate on Wayne nowadays. People don't realize how innovative he is. He's taken free-assocation rhyme to new heights. Just reading his lyrics and realizing how his mind works is fun. Listen to Da Droughts 2 and 3 and Dedication 2 to see Wayne at his finest. For a more recent example, see
"We Be Steady Mobbin".
As for Banner, he's really not so bad. Southern lyricism is different from East Coast, but it has it's own merits. People shouldn't dismiss it.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago 2
Nah, I never liked Wayne from the start or considered him lyrical. I mean I'll have a look, but only rappers like Nas fit my definition of true lyricism at this moment in time, after sifting through some good ol' oldschool.
About Banner, I love Southern Rap, Ludacris is one of my favorite rappers. Banner's beats are awesome but I mean lyrical in the sense of having a deeper message/meaning.
Sangfroidation 2 years ago
Well I think it's fair to point out that many great MCs don't have deeper meanings to their lyrics. Method Man hasn't said one damn meaningful thing his entire career, but he's still one of the greats. To me, it's all about the wordplay, the inventiveness, similes and metaphors. That's why Biggie is considered up there w/ Tupac, even though Pac's lyrics were charged with political outrage, and Biggie just spit that mafioso rap.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago
Sure, which is why Ludacris is one of my favourite rappers even though he makes what some would label sell-out tracks too, about rolling on 24's, pussy poppin etc etc.
Alright, you've convinced me to take a second look into Lil Wayne but honestly, his style is wearing out a lot of me like whenever anyone mainstream does TOO many features (like Akon a while back), and you get so entirely sick of hearing their voice.
Sangfroidation 2 years ago 2
It's true, Wayne's on practically everything nowadays, and I wouldn't for a minute suggest that all of his material is good. He can be pretty inconsistent at times. I'm just saying people should judge him by his best AND worst material, not just the latter.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago
its good to hear someone give wayne credit. YES, he can be annoying as fuck sometimes but he is an a dope mc. Even if he doesnt have a lot of deep content. Im not a wayne dick ridder like some but i do respect all talent and give credit where its due.
DColon614 2 years ago 2
He's st8' Garbage!! Dope!! Maybe on Dope!! You wanna hear Dope M.C listen to B.D.P BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY or eric b and rakim Paid in Full.
Triton88Keyz 2 years ago
I can see if you dont like him because im not crazy about him. I think he's fake as fuck and a wannabe gang banger but the nigga can spit his ass off. Sayin he's garbage and not saying he has any talent discredits the critic. If he wasnt a talented MC he wouldnt be respected by other MCs. Im NOT saying he's the best but he's a talented nigga.
DColon614 2 years ago
agree.
KiddHitman92 2 years ago 2
I knew I wasn't alone in that. People, there's a reason you don't see critics hating on Wayne as bad as most of you do. He's a pioneer in psychedellic hip hop.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago
no hes a pioneer in rapping like hes got a stick up his ass and mixing fuckin nightquil wit koolaid n shit
yungmoney514 2 years ago
waynes biggest problem is over exposure... and the whole kissing Baby thing LOL (that was GAY AS FUCK), but before the success of the carter 2 he got a tremendous amount of credit for being a lyricst and thats not something that happens unless its really true. Think about it, people love Snoop but nobody considers him an mc. The title of an MC or Lyricist is EARNED, not given*
DColon614 2 years ago
Yeah, notice that until Lollipop, the man didn't have a top 10 signal. He didn't even have an album for years between Tha Carter's II and III. Yet he still had all that buzz. That shit doesn't just happen.
Bigkahkistan 2 years ago
Too much exposure can really make people hate you. Look at G-Unit. They never recovered from it and though 50 may be ok financially, at night when he lays in bed im sure he would trade a lot of that money for respect.
DColon614 2 years ago
Nasty Nas, Escobar, God's Son, NaStradamus, Streets Disiple, and last but not least --- NAS
WestSideRunna213 2 years ago
THIS DUMB BITCH CANT SAY MORE THEN ONE SENTENCE AT A tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimeeeee.
What a dumb Bittttchhhhhhhh
richard833 2 years ago 3
nice list ,but u forgot talib and mos def , killa preist, deadprez
killer army ,loupe fiasco
eloahim9 2 years ago
damn wahida u fine, wats good?
4D1A6Z 2 years ago
lol damn bro
macklin3381 2 years ago
yo i gotta defend all nubian queens crackers swear they hoes and shit but theyare strongest of ALL women(internally and mentally)
jonahda0mega 2 years ago 2
FUCK YOU DIE HATA!!
jonahda0mega 2 years ago
Top 5 in no paticular order would have to be Immortal Technique, KRS ONE, Chuck D, Paris & Ice Cube!
blaze23naish 2 years ago
Nas should be number 1 his latest album proves it and his song "Sly Fox" is just amazing but the one that says it all is his song "America" dope shit!
THAHITMAN509 2 years ago
nas chills with rainman
jonahda0mega 2 years ago
no mos def, not even a lil talib. nah the list is kinda void
triangle1990 2 years ago
danm your fine....whats your myspace...
UniqueThaPoet 2 years ago
you forgot Mos Def
FireStealth87 2 years ago
i think hes more likely a lyricist and he talks more about being a bboy and the art of hip hop...
DjVybeznTeamChaos 2 years ago
ima say that crazy line girls be complimenting me about cause you kinda do "you got a pretty mouth"
jonahda0mega 2 years ago
immortal technique is #1 no doubt.
zadrazil 2 years ago
lmao. sure, why not.
ikyll 2 years ago
hell yeah
princeofqueens718 2 years ago
ACROSS THE globe his new shit came out in june str8 itune status he too intellgent to get his music stolen
jonahda0mega 2 years ago
since when is immortal technique a mainstream mc, there is no such thing as a mainstream mc these days any way
FaceKillaBloodSpilla 2 years ago
right the mc is like dead unless overseas like i need to move or something cause im not these braindead 808 heads di ya ever hear gucci mane"stupid"??? like outta the songs this bubba gump muthafucka could've made andall he think about is Stupidity!!!the game fuckedup rick ross made grown men cough
jonahda0mega 2 years ago
WTF!!! Noone has mention eminem? shit he's gotta be up there!!! where have you been since 97 to 04... he changed hip hop...
wyte1 2 years ago
hes not politically active... Mosh isnt enough work to put him in that list.. im not knocking him im jus aying its not his focal point
savageflows 2 years ago
he had way more than mosh... what about white america? the words used were radical, political, mainstream and your telling me eminem doesnt embody all those and if not then something is up with you... eminem had federal courts trying to take his daughter and put his ass in jail for his lyrics, gays and lesbian protesting against him, he had the fcc and congressman panties in knots...
wyte1 2 years ago
yeah how the fuck can jump off over look eminem
evilinyoureyes 2 years ago
Dumbass, Eminem is not a political rapper, nor is he mainstream.
Mr09lilwaynefan 2 years ago
not mainstream? you ignorant prick!!! eminem has shown time and time again that he is political and very radical. how about you go turn up your autotuned march of the clones douchbag music while jacking off to lil wayne pretending to be a rock star
evilinyoureyes 2 years ago 8
lol!!!
princet07 2 years ago
Bruh, Eminem fell off years ago. I don't know why you Eminem fans try to come together and defend Eminem's rap career. HIS YEARS ARE OVER! Yeah, I know you want to go put your head on your dads shoulder and cry because I'm giving you the honest truth. Go masturbate to Eminem's song "Mocking Bird" with your tears.
Mr09lilwaynefan 2 years ago
dude thats some funny shit .......ha ha
eloahim9 2 years ago 5
True dat. Even Em knew it months before he released Encore...
Too bad though, kid has amazing potential to become a timeless artist.
QuikFingaz 2 years ago
eminem is sick ok but people need to jump off his dick. he isnt political or radical just cuz he has handful of songs that are political
nameless12345 2 years ago 3
He has like 1 song that's political but radical? Definitely. He could have a whole genre to himself...
PeaceSeekers 2 years ago
Exactly, dumbass Eminem fans need to pay attention to the lyrics in "Beautiful". Eminem already knows that his time is over. He is one of my favorite rappers though. I'm not dissing Eminem, because I'll say the same thing about Lil' Wayne to.
Mr09lilwaynefan 2 years ago
@evilinyoureyes
jus cuz he made that one song?
sullenboy1o3o 1 year ago
@evilinyoureyes Eminem is about politically radical as a turd. Radical? Yes. Political? When his cowardly little ass can get away with it. Radically political? NEVER.
Siva3Enthroned 1 year ago
good to see they got immortaltechnique in there i thought they would leave him out, all around a good list but mos def shouldve been in there
KJSmallz 2 years ago
and 2live Crew not in a good way but they started all this naked chicks in the video stuff.
bertmarx 2 years ago