and digital alpine, good to see you out here still in the fight. and the real trekkies who have the real numbers. and all the footage to back up the claims out there on superior trek firepower. ICS, REALLY? LOL.................
btw where is farion............i mean perion anyway. and wongs site is really weird. ever been there? his wife is listing her bedroom toys on it. yeah that makes wong really credible..................LOL. i certainly miss all the rabid warsies though. the trolling names are still out there. but the army of the federation has finally arrived. good to see all the trekkies out here finally.
its nice to see that certain people have finally switched up and seen the light on things on this argument. 42 gigton torpedoes is a nice estimate. i would like to see the data on this this though. i remember getting into some really nasty arguments on this subject awhile ago. and many of the points i brought up two even three years ago are finally being used as some of the finer points in this argument.
When all is said and done, everything SW has is turret-based: A canon of some sort. It needs to be capable of tracking a target. Everything in SW is slow in normal space, thats why that shit gets hit.
In ST, there's no point in fighting at faster speeds since their weapons CAN track targets with accuracy and they can all keep pace at sub-warp/warp speeds anyway.
But in a battle where ST has speed AND target tracking advantage? How do you plan to damage what u cant catch?
Star Wars vs Star Trek the ultimate space battle. Enterprise vs Star Destroyer. That is a tough call. The E could out moneuver a destroyer but the destroyer has better fire power. But no shields. Still a tough call but I would have to say Star Trek would win.
that is a fact everybody who say the opposite is automaticly wrong because i ever be right
star wars is only bad shit. i destroy all star wars ships with my hand disrupter.
i will kill all star wars persons with the bread i have toasted before with the star wars weapons. ah ah ah i am so good yeahh. I ever be right know that. victory for me
I don't care what you say ... I like both sw and st but sw kicks ass ..... They are larger .... Their tecnology is billions of years ahead of st.. .... And they have the force on their side ...... Not to mention the back bone of sw.. which is their economy..... The sw. Planet of Coresant alone has a greater population than half of the entire fucking federation!!!
Federation ships may be more much nimble in real space and have transporters but the Empire has superior numbers and the star wars hyperdrives though not as good for precision short jumps in battle are much faster for long distances.
Plus the empire has no qualms about blowing up planets .
The Federation probably would win most of the battles but they'll loose the war to attrition.
@Membrane556 I don't think I can agree with that. The Federation is much more vast than what's seen in any episode. Plus, it has many, many allies outside of its own organization, all with transporter and warp capabilities, many with the same, or better weapons and shields. In short, it is a force much bigger and more powerful than the Rebel Alliance, and, aside from the Death Star, better equipped than the Empire. Not to mention filled with tactical and strategic geniuses. Empire has no chance.
@captnavenger The Federation consists of 150 main worlds, and most likely thousands of colonies, if my memory serves me right here.
And how is the Federation better equipped than the Empire? They don't have any real ground forces. In the TNG era they have pistols and rifles, and a bazooka for anti-personnel use. No machine guns, no NBC/body armors, no grenades. Nothing really. The Empire would reduce the Federation's worlds to steam before they new what hit them.
@onlypeaceindeath Star Wars changes its technology if a scene requires it:
The AT-AT`s had a special armour - So why didn`t they build there whole fleet out of it (Snow speeders have the same basic weapons as every Alliance vessel).
"Shields" in Star Wars are a kind of mystery - Everyone can walk and fly through them but not shoot?!
@SuperJuliusC Snow speeders have high-powered blasters, not laser cannons as fighters usually have. I doubt a AT-AT would take a heavy fighter's power output to its armor and survive. As for the shields. When have we seen anyone walk through shields except through the Gungan ones, which was most likely designed that way? Even ray shields can't be walked through without being fried, hence why Obi Wan and Anakin couldn't walk through one aboard the Invisible Hand.
@onlypeaceindeath In Episode I Anakin flew into one of those "donut-ships". In Episode III Anakin and Obi Wan flew into the Invisible Hand. In Episode IV the death star is hit by basic lasers and there are explosions in the inside of that thing. In Episode V whole star destroyers are smashed by asteroids.
@onlypeaceindeath And by the way: We see huge batteries firing at the AT-AT`s with absolutely no outcome!
That would mean that a small X-Wing, etc. with a lot of other technology in it (flying, lightspeed, "mysterious shields", etc.) has a bigger fire power than a much bigger battery which was only build to... well ... fire at things - Makes no sense!
A star destroyer is hunting the millenium falcon - We have a scene in which the falcon is maneuvering right in front of the destroyer`s bridge - The people on the bridge seem to be afraid of an impact because they duck - Great shields again!
The falcon isn`t just only able to escape but also to dock on the bodyshell of that particular star destroyer while combat - Great shields again and again!
Star Wars absolutely crushes Star Trek. The ONLY reason for the 1979 Trek revival (and the seemingly endless and awful spin-off series) was the success of Star Wars. Star Wars is updated with new SPFX -a few years later, Trek is updated with new SPFX. Lucas announces the next trilogy will be set long before the events of the first trilogy - Roddenberry announces that TNG will be set long after the events of TOS. Hilariously pathetic. So much fuss over a half-assed ripoff of Forbidden Planet.
@cryptozoo22 You need a refresher course in history. Star Trek's fanbase was resurrecting the show with the first ever fan conventions years before Star Wars appeared. And most Star Trek fans/Star Wars fans are both, You are a rather disgusting exception. Yes, these are fictional characters, but most nerds of our sort like to ask who would take who in a fight, like Hulk vs. Superman. Another something you don't understand that indicates you are patently unqualified to give your opinion.
empire ships should be no match for the Enterprise, except the Death Star. but as you've seen, it couldn't hit the Enterprise. So the empire is no match for the federation
True, but the Warsies' egos are out of whack, and so they can do mental gymnastics to believe that Star Wars could win easily. Go to StarDestroyer(dot)Net and see for yourself, it's a giant circle-jerk of obsessed fanwankers who stand reality on its head in order to claim that a single IDS would pwn all of Starfleet.
Meanwhile on the webmaster's personal page, his wife lists all of her personal sex-toys, and we see that the guy's obsession is simply based on PENIS-ENVY.
@hk775861677 Even the death star isn`t a match because it has (as everyone can see) only one main "gun port" - So why should anyone fly in front of that thing?!
@mrsuperkemp Star Destroyers have 60 turbo-"lasers", which are NOT rapid-fire. (SW:ANH) They carry 72 sublight fighters, and 5000 troops. Star Destroyers are not ray-shielded, only Star Dreadnaughts. They are made of Durasteel, which is only 1/3 neutronium, (SW:ACS) not enough to deflect phasers. They can bombard localized planetary targets, but prefer invasion.
@Joesolo13 The Enterprise D has on TWO separate occasions, the Enterprise A did once (before upgrading) and the Klingons did in Enterprise (a prequel, in which it takes hours)
@Idazmi7 The Enterprises type-X Phaser weapons have a max powerout put of 80-100 Gigawatts and it can fire several volleys of these per second. It can also fire 5 Photon torpedoes per second which have a max yeild equal to a 64 Megaton nuclear explosion. Trek ships are pretty tough but Star Wars ships have been stated to have Gigaton level weapons and can also take that kind of firepower aswell.
@NANOFORGE You are half-right. The Enterprise type X phaser actually outputs 93 TERRAWATTS, and 10 torpedoes a second, each torpedo equaling 42 Gigatons
(the 64 megaton figure was a civillian calculation, the 42 gigatons is from a calculator on the NASA website)
@Idazmi7 Really?. Have you got any proof supporting this. I allways thought Phasers maxed at 80 GW and Photons were 64 MT as this is what the technical manuals say. Alot of sites I have been on stated this.
@Idazmi7 Yeah I remember this episode, they said that the barrage destroyed 30% of the Planets crust. Not even the Asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs did this and that the impact energy of that was 96 Teratons. It takes Petatons to do this.
@NANOFORGE Yes, but Voyager goes a little out on representation of firepower.
Still, most of the Star Trek vs Star Wars argument is now clear: it takes 4 Star Destroyers to match one Photon Torpedo. Starfleet's smallest ships carry 150 of those. Star Trek would win quite easily.
@Idazmi7 Yeah, true. There are non canon sources saying that Turbo Lasers are 200 GT per shot yet in TESB, 3 Star destroyers took several minutes to destroy a small base, 200 GT my ass lol, more like Megajoules. And what was so impressive about The Battle of the Omarion Nebula is that it was only 20 ships that destroyed 30% of the planets crust and they did this in the first volley. The USS Defiant was also stated to be capable of turning a planet into a burning cinder.
@Idazmi7 I dunno if you agree but Voyager being a newer ship than the Enterprise-D would most likely have the same if not greater fire power. It was already stated to be much faster, have more powerful scanners and also have much better electronics, with all of this Voyagers main reactor has to produce more enegry. It was also mentioned that Voyager had the same Type-X phasers a Galaxy class ship would have and it also has 2 more Torpedo launchers than a Galaxy's 2.
@NANOFORGE Enterprise D visibly performes better than any Starfleet ship, even the Soverign in Nemisis. It has the only Full Auto torpedo launchers, the largest hull, and the largest warp reactor, until it was wimpified in late-season TNG. Never understood why they underpowered it.
Voyager is cool, but it is designed as a *small* warship, not the ultimate battleship: that wouldbe the Soverign. It became ultimate in the last season due to upgraded future weapons.
@Idazmi7 Yeah Voyagers Transphasic Torpedoes and Hull Armor made it unstoppable. It could one shot Borg Cubes etc and tank full scale barrages from 4 cubes at once.
@Idazmi7 There have been several occaisons where the E-D has gone all out for example against 3 Bird of Prey's and The Husnock ship. Not many ships are capable of taking the full onslaught of a Galaxy class ship, not even Dominion battle cruisers and Cardassian ships get turned into shushi. The Husnock ship was the only ship that ever did and that was because it was being empowered by a virtually omnipotent being.
@Idazmi7 Yeah, I get alot of people saying that Turbo Lasers are 200 GT which is total bullshit and is also not a canon figure. Star Destroyers in TESB took several minutes to level a small base, thats means they were only producing MJ level attacks at best. There was also the instance when an asteroid blew the unshielded bridge tower of an ISD clean off and that impact was only 150 Kilotons. The Phasers on the E-D produce 23.7 KT per second, An ISD won't last 10 seconds.
@Idazmi7 Alot of Warsies desperatley use scans and numbers from the ISC (not canon) in a bid to win. They love to throw around 200GT phasers and teraton shields dispite those being false.
@NANOFORGE I know, right? They just assume those shields when Turbolasers don't act the way they want, even though they are never mentioned in those scenes. Never mind when they are mentioned, it is usually just to plot-protect the Millenium Falcon!
@Idazmi7 Exactly there is no canon mentioning of Teraton shields, and they are not even close to that either seeing that in TESB an asteroid about 100 meters in length blew the Bridge Tower clean off. 200 GT Turbo lasers is totally obsurd since if they has this kind of power they would'nt need the Death Star.
@NANOFORGE Mm-hmm. I've used the "they wouldn't need the Death Star" argument more than once, but some, like perion and onlypeaceindeath, still ignore the facts, claiming things like
"even if Star Destroyers were as technologically weak as Star Trek ships, ((they are actually much less advanced and have obvious weak spots)) the Star Destroyer would still win due to sheer volume of guns, since Borgs are not armored"
No, the Borg would adapt: even if their ships were made of styrofoam.
@Idazmi7 Borg's are not armored?. Says the Ablative armor on Borg cubes etc. That is true though, If Star Destroyers can fire "800 Teratons a second" (which is eaisly enough energy to wipe out all life on a planet with the same mass as the Earth) There would be no point in using the Death Star. Waries are basicly claiming that a single ISD can destroy a civilzation. So why the fuck do they use the Death Star to destroy worlds when a single ISD can supposidly easily do.
@Idazmi7 And yeah the Borg will adapt, the empire are no exception. I've had bullshit claims of "The empires technology is too adavanced to be assimilated by the Borg", which has to be the biggest load of turd I have ever read. The Borg have assimilated most of the species' they have encountered except 8472 and all it took was a simple modificiation to nanoprobes. Waries also claim "SW weapons have no frequencies" If this is so then how do they shoot throught their own sheilds.
@NANOFORGE "Waries also claim "SW weapons have no frequencies" If this is so then how do they shoot throught their own sheilds."
After seeing the opening of Star Wars episode 3 and General Grevous' command ship, I have to ask: What shields?!? A turbolaser actually passes through an OPEN WINDOW into the Rebublic ship! The same happens to Grevous' ship! The only shields seen are protecting the hangar deck, and the shield generators are destroyed with sub-kiloton blaster fire.
@Idazmi7 Good point, during that battle between General Grevous' ship and that Venator, each ship was only dishing Megajoules at each other which was enough to cause high amount of visible damage to both, it even disabled Gervious's ships stablizers. Megajoules do jack to the Enterprise, even the NX-01 could tank Gigajoules. Waries love to go on about how "durable" SW ships are yet Grevious ship could'nt even survive a re-entry, the damn thing got torn in half.
@Idazmi7 just look it up at the respective wiki's.. No single enterprise ship is longer then 1 kilometer. Grievous ship is 1088 m. True, when it's broken in half it's only 600 meter or so. For the crashing part.. When enterprise ejected her warp core it lost al the major systems in the saucer section due to the fact the warp core exploded. So it seems a bit in dubio. It can't handle a shockwave but can drill it's way through solid granite >> Major inconsistency in star trek story.
@Venatorial " it lost al the major systems in the saucer section due to the fact the warp core exploded" All lies. The saucer can maintain itself just fine.
" the star wars universe there are alot of shield types. Combat deflector shields, which can be divided into energy and physical, hyperspace protector fields and atmosferic containment shields, which are the ones you saw on Grievous ship." Show mw some. "No single enterprise ship is longer then 1 kilometer." Neither is that ship.
@Idazmi7 rofl.. a little digging in the backstory would be much better for making your opinion. During the battle of coruscant ( the scene you're talking about ) Grievous ship already took one hell of a beating and as a result it was being sheltered from further harm by other ships because it´s shield already failed. Also the battle was already going on for a long time, which would explain the fact alot of ships are without shields or can't take much more of a beating...
@Venatorial Doesn't change anything: would Jedi arrive *that late* to save the chancellor? The only shields seen in Star Wars ep3 at all were on the hangar deck of the same ship, and the generators were destroyed by a few weak shots from a fighter. There is no scene in all of Star Wars with full shields on anything less than an SSD.
In Star Trek, however even the PEOPLE can shielded individually. ROFL yourself.
@Venatorial Yeah Grevious' ship took one hell of a beating of Megajoule level weapons. As I explained during a battle the Enterprise took no damage whatsoever from weapons that produced 40 Megawatts a shot. The explosion of the warp core was in the MT/GT range and all it did was knock the saucer into the atmosphere of a planet and disable a few thrusters, which crash landed and was intact. Grevious' ship had it's sablizers disabled by MJ weapons and got torn in half during a rentry.
@Idazmi7 part 2/2. Also, in the star wars universe there are alot of shield types. Combat deflector shields, which can be divided into energy and physical, hyperspace protector fields and atmosferic containment shields, which are the ones you saw on Grievous ship. It seems you're knowledge is a bit single-sided.
I hope i cleared this up now. On the other hand my opinion is that star wars and star trek can't be compared. I just wanted to make clear that star wars ships do have shields.
In Trek they can generate any type of energy field which you think qualifies as a 'shield'. What do you think they do when they have a hull breach? What do you think they use for force fields? What do you think keeps life support in a cargo bay when a shuttle leaves? Generating different energy field types is child's play for either franchise.
@Idazmi7 Compare this to a 22nd century ship. The NX-01's Phase cannons had a max power output of 500 Gigajoules and it's Photonic Torpedoes were stated by Reed to beable to at least knock the com array of a Shuttle without damaging it's hull or is capable of creating a 3km crater at max. This would mean that the NX-01's Photonics at their max yeild come out at about 33 Megatons. Impressive but that just shows ho much more powerful Trek ships have become in just 2 centuries.
@JustinHill47 ha ha exactly.... same with the emperor, the emperor would say "your arrogance blinds you master Q now you will experience the full power of the dark side", the emperor shoots force lightning at Q and it hits him all over his body and Q would just say "oh stop it that tickles" the emperor stops shooting, Q says "now it's my turn"
Q snaps his finger and the emperor vanishes into thin air...... the end lol
@elcap22 ...And then Galactus arrives and sodomizes Q while Cthuluu looks on...you do realize these are fictional characters, right? Yeesh. The Trekkies/Trekkers/Fuckers (whatever they call themselves) sure get uptight when they feel their beloved "Wagon Train To The Stars" is being slighted. Because deep down, you KNOW Star Wars is superior, and has completely marginalized Trek in popular culture. Whine all you want - you can't polish a turd.
@cryptozoo22 well if Galactus can defeat Q, he'd sure as hell have no problem defeating the emperor, anyway Q is still more powerful than Galactus, Q would block himself from galactu' powers, they have the same powers but Q goes beyond. Anyway, deep down YOU KNOW nothing in star wars would win against Q.
Idazmi7 What a dumb-ass. Pretend to be above it, then sit back and take punk assed pot shots. First I only argue when somebody starts on me like I told you when you were leaving stuff in my inbox. Stop being a little girl about this stuff. By now everybody has seen that site so stop using others arguments to pimp your view. It's all FICTION!!!
@Idazmi7 You lie. And now you're at me about a dead arguement? This is beyond stupid. You must have some other motive,. Please find someone else to stalk.
@MrKellG I don't have to stalk, you guys are everywhere. First of all, both of you and Perion are angry with me for infringing on your little "hate fest". I enjoy Star Trek AND Star Wars, and cannot abide viewing a YouTube video in which you two have half the comments. Neither of you have checked out that website I posted, which only deals with combat. Trek isn't about combat at all: not that you care. I just increased the amount of conflict that could happen. A smart person would ignore me. XD
@Idazmi7 You don't have to stalk, but, that doesn't seem to even slow you down. And It's a real laugh that you're still wasting the same space while crying about us doing it. Stop being such a sad add. Two weeks and your lonely add is still sniffing the ass-end of a dead argument then you make a lame attempt at begging for the last word. Oh, looking at that site on my iPad it doesn't cover stalking. Maybe you should look again. You should know stalking is a felony
@Idazmi7 been reading stuff at st-sw.net for an hour wtf do you mean not online? Unlike you I don't engage in cowardly acts of deception and I'm really laughing at you thinking that you're something to seeth over. Well maybe your poor parents might. Oh, I hope all this stalking doesn't have you touching anything yourself. Kind of freaky you can't let this go.
@MrKellG Deception? Not to mention, you won't let go either. That st-sw net is pure Trek Wank. (scientifically sound Wank, but Wank nontheless) Perion seems to be partly right about you, you are a single-minded nerd who won't let idiots lie alone. You cannot prove superiority if you keep stooping to the level of forgetting what makes your franchise tick. You could stop responding tome at anytime, but you keep coming back, and making yourself look stupid. (Everyone just *knows* your right...)
st-v-sw.net/STSwhi2.html Is a very useful website. It explains which ships are more powerful through visible evidence, INCLUDING non-canon, why both are impossible, and WHY THE ARGUMENT IS SENSLESS.
So, you at least admit your Q would never line, never had a leg to stand on. Look a little further and you'll see Q's bias regarding life from this galaxy.
@MrKellG Q's non interference with any war with the Empire/Federation still stands. IE, he isn't going to fight/use hi powers against the Empire/for the Federation.
@Perion So evidence doesn't count unless it supports your theory. I call that wishful thinking. you could have just said you were that type from the start. I know you think i'm some kind of Star Trek again, INCORRECT my thing's sci fi, you say i'm grasping at straws, i say you need to stop trying to blow smoke up my ass with this details only count when you want crap. what a waste. after all this you think i don't know the details of the planet killer or the death star? really?
@MrKellG Details count for everything, it's not my fault that none of them support your theories, so don't accuse me of dishonesty just because the evidence doesn't weight in your favour like you thought it did.
@MrKellG You keep blithely saying "Incorrect!" and accusing me of blindness, yet you cannot see the fact that there are distinct differences between the events you cited and a potential confrontation between the Empire and the Federation. Meanwhile when there are similarities between them (such as all the alternate universes where the federation get curb-stomped by some random power, the Q naturally never intervene or save them)
@Perion Silly Rabbit. I say incorrect because you are WRONG. you religiously cling ST inconsistancies while you brush off the same in SW like they're not there it's all here in print, willful blindness, get it? Flailing INCORRECT AGAIN!!! sorry i'm still new but i think i'm allowed to look at other stuff and comment. not my fault you've been stuck on this since last year or longer
Respond to this video...Hey at this moment your next 30 responses are lighting my phone up.haha if what you say is true(yeah doubtful) you have been bored for a loooonnngg time cause you are all over this stuff. perhaps you should try getting a non fictional life. childish? pot calling the kettle black.
@MrKellG Sooo... can I enjoy the friggin video? Really? Or do you still want to argue? Here's a very informational link for you, entertainment wrecker:
@MrKellG It's clear from your immature behaviour, blatant dishonesty and general lack of education that you really aren't worth my time.
When given answers you don't like, (IE that prove you wrong) you respond with childish insults and blanket statements with no backing. When you finally do bring in what you feel is evidence to support your claim, I show you why it isn't evidence at all. At which point you repeat said cycle.
You clearly are not using all of your senses. From my first post I said the arguments don't matter both series are loaded with inconsistency. You don't recall me saying this is supposed to be fun not beef. I just paraphrased so don't pick that apart
@MrKellG Inconsistencies are common but they just become outliers, as I've stated elsewhere it's the majority that becomes the standard, for example. The BOP is most often portrayed at ~100m, which is the official/canon size. The times where it's shown at 75m, 50m or even 300m in voyage home are outliers and are thus discarded.
The Executor's size is very consistent on screen, however until the past couple of years, the "official" figures for it's size have been wrong.
Twist all you will but you know damn well they chose to name those things what they did for a reason. Sorry the reason wasn't to win you a silly argument the only nonsense is your blindness. And if weren't for interfering there wouldn't be a Q character so stop spewing that line of poo.
@MrKellG They chose the name because they do share at least one characteristic, Star Wars Lasers are directed energy weapons, but beyond that they have nothing in common with lasers, also the word "Laser" is so generic that it's pretty much the modern day equivalent of "Ray Gun". Neutronium Armour is super strong and dense, but beyond that it shares none of the characteristics of Degenerate matter. They chose the name because it sounds impressive and scientific.
@Perion No no son. when they said Ray gun they meant gun that fired a ray beam, when they say l a s e r they mean laser unless it's SW. Then it means powerful gas bubble
Good thing the enterprise had those A-wings around to help them take down the shields!
Valvonite 3 hours ago
wh40k rape both asses for imperium burn star trek heretic unclean
190shepard 1 week ago
@190shepard Kirk would crush wh40k.
Idazmi7 6 days ago
for c tan star gods they destroy both star trek and star wars
190shepard 1 week ago
@190shepard In Star Trek, Kirk has killed 2 Star Gods with his spaceship.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
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@190shepard In Star Trek, Kirk has killed 2 Star Gods with his spaceship.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
star trek won :)
littlebigtangelo 2 weeks ago
@littlebigtangelo not quite
JPeel459 1 week ago
@JPeel459 if the enterprise wasn't destroyed and they destroyed multiple star wars ships then i think they won. you have your opinion and i have mine
littlebigtangelo 1 week ago
and digital alpine, good to see you out here still in the fight. and the real trekkies who have the real numbers. and all the footage to back up the claims out there on superior trek firepower. ICS, REALLY? LOL.................
TheSundown2010 3 weeks ago
btw where is farion............i mean perion anyway. and wongs site is really weird. ever been there? his wife is listing her bedroom toys on it. yeah that makes wong really credible..................LOL. i certainly miss all the rabid warsies though. the trolling names are still out there. but the army of the federation has finally arrived. good to see all the trekkies out here finally.
TheSundown2010 3 weeks ago
its nice to see that certain people have finally switched up and seen the light on things on this argument. 42 gigton torpedoes is a nice estimate. i would like to see the data on this this though. i remember getting into some really nasty arguments on this subject awhile ago. and many of the points i brought up two even three years ago are finally being used as some of the finer points in this argument.
TheSundown2010 3 weeks ago
for the empire. kill all enemys no survivors
heavy123212321 1 month ago
When all is said and done, everything SW has is turret-based: A canon of some sort. It needs to be capable of tracking a target. Everything in SW is slow in normal space, thats why that shit gets hit.
In ST, there's no point in fighting at faster speeds since their weapons CAN track targets with accuracy and they can all keep pace at sub-warp/warp speeds anyway.
But in a battle where ST has speed AND target tracking advantage? How do you plan to damage what u cant catch?
DigitalAlpine 1 month ago
Star Wars vs Star Trek the ultimate space battle. Enterprise vs Star Destroyer. That is a tough call. The E could out moneuver a destroyer but the destroyer has better fire power. But no shields. Still a tough call but I would have to say Star Trek would win.
MrKchotrod1969 1 month ago
@MrKchotrod1969 The Enterprise has displayed teraton level firepower with one phaser, Star destroyers have barely displayed Gigajoules.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
star trek ever wins because star wars havent the right weapons only cheap laser
with their weapons i toast my bread in the morning
unendlicheWeisheit 1 month ago
@unendlicheWeisheit Lol Turbo Lasers are not laser wapons. They are Ion weapons.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE if that were ion weapos they were called so and not laser
unendlicheWeisheit 1 month ago
@unendlicheWeisheit Yeah Turbo Lasers are plasma weapons, does'nt matter thought, they are not powerful enough to penetrate Trek sheilds.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE watch on wikipedia there you can read all what you wants to now
and the message of me is that star wars is shit thats a true fact
everyone who says the opposit is automaticly wrong because i ever be right
unendlicheWeisheit 1 month ago
@unendlicheWeisheit ...you are wrong.
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 why i am wrong
you are wrong
i ever be right because i ever be right
that is a fact everybody who say the opposite is automaticly wrong because i ever be right
star wars is only bad shit. i destroy all star wars ships with my hand disrupter.
i will kill all star wars persons with the bread i have toasted before with the star wars weapons. ah ah ah i am so good yeahh. I ever be right know that. victory for me
unendlicheWeisheit 3 weeks ago
@unendlicheWeisheit Oh. I'm a Star Trek fan, i just misread your comment. Sorry.
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 why
if they said star trek is bad
i said that star wars is bad
so is it
unendlicheWeisheit 3 weeks ago
@unendlicheWeisheit TAKE THAT BAK U BIG TREKKIE DOUCHE!!!
starwarsawsomedude 2 weeks ago
@starwarsawsomedude go home asozial star wars bastard
fucking kanak
unendlicheWeisheit 2 weeks ago
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@Idazmi7 why
if they said star trek is bad
i said that star wars is bad
so is it
unendlicheWeisheit 3 weeks ago
@unendlicheWeisheit you are a fucking Nazi
colt45604 3 weeks ago
@colt45604 your mother is a fucking nazi
unendlicheWeisheit 3 weeks ago
nicely done.
a6eBezerkur 1 month ago
Startrek is based in a hope for the cultural and technological advancement of Humans and all species.
Star Wars is a fantasy Universe (long long ago) where aliens have ethnic accents that relate to ethnic stereotypes.
DjDialogic 1 month ago
Dreadful quality
axfy15e 2 months ago
who the hell's got this much time on their hands?
FantasticBob7000 2 months ago
I don't care what you say ... I like both sw and st but sw kicks ass ..... They are larger .... Their tecnology is billions of years ahead of st.. .... And they have the force on their side ...... Not to mention the back bone of sw.. which is their economy..... The sw. Planet of Coresant alone has a greater population than half of the entire fucking federation!!!
YayIblowupthings 2 months ago
@YayIblowupthings More phaser-targets...
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
@SuperJuliusC Indeed.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
OK, that was pretty damn good. Much better than the other shit on YouTube. Two thumbs up, and I'm takin' 'em WAAAAY up!
FirstShirtBeastblood 2 months ago
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TheVoiceOfReason93 2 months ago
Who needs starships when you have the force!
Sithoverlord811 2 months ago
@Sithoverlord811 FAIL. Even in Star Wars, that is EPIC FAIL.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
Federation ships may be more much nimble in real space and have transporters but the Empire has superior numbers and the star wars hyperdrives though not as good for precision short jumps in battle are much faster for long distances.
Plus the empire has no qualms about blowing up planets .
The Federation probably would win most of the battles but they'll loose the war to attrition.
Membrane556 3 months ago
@Membrane556 I don't think I can agree with that. The Federation is much more vast than what's seen in any episode. Plus, it has many, many allies outside of its own organization, all with transporter and warp capabilities, many with the same, or better weapons and shields. In short, it is a force much bigger and more powerful than the Rebel Alliance, and, aside from the Death Star, better equipped than the Empire. Not to mention filled with tactical and strategic geniuses. Empire has no chance.
captnavenger 3 months ago
@captnavenger The Federation consists of 150 main worlds, and most likely thousands of colonies, if my memory serves me right here.
And how is the Federation better equipped than the Empire? They don't have any real ground forces. In the TNG era they have pistols and rifles, and a bazooka for anti-personnel use. No machine guns, no NBC/body armors, no grenades. Nothing really. The Empire would reduce the Federation's worlds to steam before they new what hit them.
onlypeaceindeath 2 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath Star Wars changes its technology if a scene requires it:
The AT-AT`s had a special armour - So why didn`t they build there whole fleet out of it (Snow speeders have the same basic weapons as every Alliance vessel).
"Shields" in Star Wars are a kind of mystery - Everyone can walk and fly through them but not shoot?!
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
@SuperJuliusC Snow speeders have high-powered blasters, not laser cannons as fighters usually have. I doubt a AT-AT would take a heavy fighter's power output to its armor and survive. As for the shields. When have we seen anyone walk through shields except through the Gungan ones, which was most likely designed that way? Even ray shields can't be walked through without being fried, hence why Obi Wan and Anakin couldn't walk through one aboard the Invisible Hand.
onlypeaceindeath 2 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath In Episode I Anakin flew into one of those "donut-ships". In Episode III Anakin and Obi Wan flew into the Invisible Hand. In Episode IV the death star is hit by basic lasers and there are explosions in the inside of that thing. In Episode V whole star destroyers are smashed by asteroids.
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
@SuperJuliusC You sum that up well. Can I use your argument?
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Make it so!^^
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath In Episode V the AT-AT`s can obviously walk through the shield!
If it couldn`t it was at least able to fire through it what would open another question:
Why isn`t the imperial flagship and a fleet of star destroyers not able to destroy that shield while a single walker is able to?!
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
@SuperJuliusC
The shield is aimed skyward and only designed to deflect a bombardment from space. It doesn't protect the surface.
summer20105707 1 month ago
@onlypeaceindeath And by the way: We see huge batteries firing at the AT-AT`s with absolutely no outcome!
That would mean that a small X-Wing, etc. with a lot of other technology in it (flying, lightspeed, "mysterious shields", etc.) has a bigger fire power than a much bigger battery which was only build to... well ... fire at things - Makes no sense!
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath And another thing - Again Episode V:
A star destroyer is hunting the millenium falcon - We have a scene in which the falcon is maneuvering right in front of the destroyer`s bridge - The people on the bridge seem to be afraid of an impact because they duck - Great shields again!
The falcon isn`t just only able to escape but also to dock on the bodyshell of that particular star destroyer while combat - Great shields again and again!
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
Star Wars absolutely crushes Star Trek. The ONLY reason for the 1979 Trek revival (and the seemingly endless and awful spin-off series) was the success of Star Wars. Star Wars is updated with new SPFX -a few years later, Trek is updated with new SPFX. Lucas announces the next trilogy will be set long before the events of the first trilogy - Roddenberry announces that TNG will be set long after the events of TOS. Hilariously pathetic. So much fuss over a half-assed ripoff of Forbidden Planet.
cryptozoo22 3 months ago
@cryptozoo22 Star Wars is Flash Gordon. Also, you know that in reality, you comparison is very backwards.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@cryptozoo22 You need a refresher course in history. Star Trek's fanbase was resurrecting the show with the first ever fan conventions years before Star Wars appeared. And most Star Trek fans/Star Wars fans are both, You are a rather disgusting exception. Yes, these are fictional characters, but most nerds of our sort like to ask who would take who in a fight, like Hulk vs. Superman. Another something you don't understand that indicates you are patently unqualified to give your opinion.
captnavenger 3 months ago
@cryptozoo22 because you guys are silly
hk775861677 2 months ago
Wait a minute...I thought the Enterprise blew up Vader's ship. How is he still alive? O.o
Jerkwad152 3 months ago
Star Wars is far much better!!!!
PDGFilm 3 months ago
@PDGFilm (Sarcastic) Yep.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
Wesley keeps changing uniforms lol
Krystle171 3 months ago
i...i...think i just had a nerdgasm
MrWayne1701 4 months ago
Haha GO the empire !!!!!!!
AtjOstudios 4 months ago
empire ships should be no match for the Enterprise, except the Death Star. but as you've seen, it couldn't hit the Enterprise. So the empire is no match for the federation
hk775861677 4 months ago 3
@hk775861677 ^-^
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@hk775861677
True, but the Warsies' egos are out of whack, and so they can do mental gymnastics to believe that Star Wars could win easily. Go to StarDestroyer(dot)Net and see for yourself, it's a giant circle-jerk of obsessed fanwankers who stand reality on its head in order to claim that a single IDS would pwn all of Starfleet.
Meanwhile on the webmaster's personal page, his wife lists all of her personal sex-toys, and we see that the guy's obsession is simply based on PENIS-ENVY.
SouthParkBear 3 months ago
@hk775861677 Even the death star isn`t a match because it has (as everyone can see) only one main "gun port" - So why should anyone fly in front of that thing?!
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
@SuperJuliusC good point!!
hk775861677 2 months ago
@hk775861677 Yoou sir are mistaken!!! go to "star wars vs star trek in five minutes" and HAVE AT YOU!!!!!!!!
(also know im not dissing star trek k?)
mrsuperkemp 2 months ago
@mrsuperkemp Star Destroyers have 60 turbo-"lasers", which are NOT rapid-fire. (SW:ANH) They carry 72 sublight fighters, and 5000 troops. Star Destroyers are not ray-shielded, only Star Dreadnaughts. They are made of Durasteel, which is only 1/3 neutronium, (SW:ACS) not enough to deflect phasers. They can bombard localized planetary targets, but prefer invasion.
"Five minutes" indeed, pfft. Star Trek wins.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Turbo lasers are suppost to be 200 Gigatons per shot, that is eaisly enough to destroy any trek ship in a single hit.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@hk775861677 But the enterprise only has one laser, plus torpedos. ISDs have DOZENS of turbo lasers.
Joesolo13 1 month ago
@Joesolo13 Enterprise has 10 heavy Photonic-Maser emitters as the weakest weapon.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Still, can they melt a planet to slag in a matter of days? I think not.
Joesolo13 1 month ago
@Joesolo13 Seconds, actually.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Entire planets? I doubt it.
Joesolo13 1 month ago
@Joesolo13 The Enterprise D has on TWO separate occasions, the Enterprise A did once (before upgrading) and the Klingons did in Enterprise (a prequel, in which it takes hours)
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 The Enterprises type-X Phaser weapons have a max powerout put of 80-100 Gigawatts and it can fire several volleys of these per second. It can also fire 5 Photon torpedoes per second which have a max yeild equal to a 64 Megaton nuclear explosion. Trek ships are pretty tough but Star Wars ships have been stated to have Gigaton level weapons and can also take that kind of firepower aswell.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE You are half-right. The Enterprise type X phaser actually outputs 93 TERRAWATTS, and 10 torpedoes a second, each torpedo equaling 42 Gigatons
(the 64 megaton figure was a civillian calculation, the 42 gigatons is from a calculator on the NASA website)
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Really?. Have you got any proof supporting this. I allways thought Phasers maxed at 80 GW and Photons were 64 MT as this is what the technical manuals say. Alot of sites I have been on stated this.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE The tech manuals are non canon. Star Trek episodes prove the tech, not random books.
"The Battle of the Omarion Nebula" - search this. Phasers and Torpedoes leveling a continent: way beyond megatons.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Yeah I remember this episode, they said that the barrage destroyed 30% of the Planets crust. Not even the Asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs did this and that the impact energy of that was 96 Teratons. It takes Petatons to do this.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE And that's not the only time that Star Trek races have done that either:
"Mirror Mirror" Enterprise vs planet
"A tase of Armageddon" Captain Kirk of the Enterprise threatens to level a civilization
"Whom Gods Destroy" Garth of Izar tries to destroy 2 civilizations woth a starship
All are Starfleet (Federation) examples. Star Destroyer[dot]net just lies about it.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Also In Voyager Kim also stated that a 50 isoton torpedo (Normally 25) could possibly destroy a small moon.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE Yes, but Voyager goes a little out on representation of firepower.
Still, most of the Star Trek vs Star Wars argument is now clear: it takes 4 Star Destroyers to match one Photon Torpedo. Starfleet's smallest ships carry 150 of those. Star Trek would win quite easily.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Yeah, true. There are non canon sources saying that Turbo Lasers are 200 GT per shot yet in TESB, 3 Star destroyers took several minutes to destroy a small base, 200 GT my ass lol, more like Megajoules. And what was so impressive about The Battle of the Omarion Nebula is that it was only 20 ships that destroyed 30% of the planets crust and they did this in the first volley. The USS Defiant was also stated to be capable of turning a planet into a burning cinder.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 I dunno if you agree but Voyager being a newer ship than the Enterprise-D would most likely have the same if not greater fire power. It was already stated to be much faster, have more powerful scanners and also have much better electronics, with all of this Voyagers main reactor has to produce more enegry. It was also mentioned that Voyager had the same Type-X phasers a Galaxy class ship would have and it also has 2 more Torpedo launchers than a Galaxy's 2.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE Enterprise D visibly performes better than any Starfleet ship, even the Soverign in Nemisis. It has the only Full Auto torpedo launchers, the largest hull, and the largest warp reactor, until it was wimpified in late-season TNG. Never understood why they underpowered it.
Voyager is cool, but it is designed as a *small* warship, not the ultimate battleship: that wouldbe the Soverign. It became ultimate in the last season due to upgraded future weapons.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Yeah Voyagers Transphasic Torpedoes and Hull Armor made it unstoppable. It could one shot Borg Cubes etc and tank full scale barrages from 4 cubes at once.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 There have been several occaisons where the E-D has gone all out for example against 3 Bird of Prey's and The Husnock ship. Not many ships are capable of taking the full onslaught of a Galaxy class ship, not even Dominion battle cruisers and Cardassian ships get turned into shushi. The Husnock ship was the only ship that ever did and that was because it was being empowered by a virtually omnipotent being.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE Mm-hmm. Why exactly do websites like SDnet arrange themselves for the sole purpose of lying on Star Trek?
(That site contains NO info on Star Destroyers)
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Yeah, I get alot of people saying that Turbo Lasers are 200 GT which is total bullshit and is also not a canon figure. Star Destroyers in TESB took several minutes to level a small base, thats means they were only producing MJ level attacks at best. There was also the instance when an asteroid blew the unshielded bridge tower of an ISD clean off and that impact was only 150 Kilotons. The Phasers on the E-D produce 23.7 KT per second, An ISD won't last 10 seconds.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE ^-^
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Alot of Warsies desperatley use scans and numbers from the ISC (not canon) in a bid to win. They love to throw around 200GT phasers and teraton shields dispite those being false.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE I mean 200GT turbo lasers.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE I know, right? They just assume those shields when Turbolasers don't act the way they want, even though they are never mentioned in those scenes. Never mind when they are mentioned, it is usually just to plot-protect the Millenium Falcon!
LOL
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Exactly there is no canon mentioning of Teraton shields, and they are not even close to that either seeing that in TESB an asteroid about 100 meters in length blew the Bridge Tower clean off. 200 GT Turbo lasers is totally obsurd since if they has this kind of power they would'nt need the Death Star.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE Mm-hmm. I've used the "they wouldn't need the Death Star" argument more than once, but some, like perion and onlypeaceindeath, still ignore the facts, claiming things like
"even if Star Destroyers were as technologically weak as Star Trek ships, ((they are actually much less advanced and have obvious weak spots)) the Star Destroyer would still win due to sheer volume of guns, since Borgs are not armored"
No, the Borg would adapt: even if their ships were made of styrofoam.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Borg's are not armored?. Says the Ablative armor on Borg cubes etc. That is true though, If Star Destroyers can fire "800 Teratons a second" (which is eaisly enough energy to wipe out all life on a planet with the same mass as the Earth) There would be no point in using the Death Star. Waries are basicly claiming that a single ISD can destroy a civilzation. So why the fuck do they use the Death Star to destroy worlds when a single ISD can supposidly easily do.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 And yeah the Borg will adapt, the empire are no exception. I've had bullshit claims of "The empires technology is too adavanced to be assimilated by the Borg", which has to be the biggest load of turd I have ever read. The Borg have assimilated most of the species' they have encountered except 8472 and all it took was a simple modificiation to nanoprobes. Waries also claim "SW weapons have no frequencies" If this is so then how do they shoot throught their own sheilds.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE "Waries also claim "SW weapons have no frequencies" If this is so then how do they shoot throught their own sheilds."
After seeing the opening of Star Wars episode 3 and General Grevous' command ship, I have to ask: What shields?!? A turbolaser actually passes through an OPEN WINDOW into the Rebublic ship! The same happens to Grevous' ship! The only shields seen are protecting the hangar deck, and the shield generators are destroyed with sub-kiloton blaster fire.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Good point, during that battle between General Grevous' ship and that Venator, each ship was only dishing Megajoules at each other which was enough to cause high amount of visible damage to both, it even disabled Gervious's ships stablizers. Megajoules do jack to the Enterprise, even the NX-01 could tank Gigajoules. Waries love to go on about how "durable" SW ships are yet Grevious ship could'nt even survive a re-entry, the damn thing got torn in half.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE
When half of the Enterprise D crashed (Generations) it crushed a solid granite mountain, and had no scratches.
Half of Grevious' ship smashed on a runway during a controlled landing.
The same scene also shows a size difference: The Ent-D is easily eight times longer than Grevious' ship.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 lol yeah, "Durasteel is 300,000 times stronger than Earth Steel". Yeah right, 300,000 times stronger than paper is more like it.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE
LOL
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 just look it up at the respective wiki's.. No single enterprise ship is longer then 1 kilometer. Grievous ship is 1088 m. True, when it's broken in half it's only 600 meter or so. For the crashing part.. When enterprise ejected her warp core it lost al the major systems in the saucer section due to the fact the warp core exploded. So it seems a bit in dubio. It can't handle a shockwave but can drill it's way through solid granite >> Major inconsistency in star trek story.
Venatorial 1 month ago
@Venatorial " it lost al the major systems in the saucer section due to the fact the warp core exploded" All lies. The saucer can maintain itself just fine.
" the star wars universe there are alot of shield types. Combat deflector shields, which can be divided into energy and physical, hyperspace protector fields and atmosferic containment shields, which are the ones you saw on Grievous ship." Show mw some. "No single enterprise ship is longer then 1 kilometer." Neither is that ship.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 The Enterprise is *far* bigger than the Invisible Hand, measureably.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 rofl.. a little digging in the backstory would be much better for making your opinion. During the battle of coruscant ( the scene you're talking about ) Grievous ship already took one hell of a beating and as a result it was being sheltered from further harm by other ships because it´s shield already failed. Also the battle was already going on for a long time, which would explain the fact alot of ships are without shields or can't take much more of a beating...
Venatorial 1 month ago
@Venatorial Doesn't change anything: would Jedi arrive *that late* to save the chancellor? The only shields seen in Star Wars ep3 at all were on the hangar deck of the same ship, and the generators were destroyed by a few weak shots from a fighter. There is no scene in all of Star Wars with full shields on anything less than an SSD.
In Star Trek, however even the PEOPLE can shielded individually. ROFL yourself.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Venatorial Yeah Grevious' ship took one hell of a beating of Megajoule level weapons. As I explained during a battle the Enterprise took no damage whatsoever from weapons that produced 40 Megawatts a shot. The explosion of the warp core was in the MT/GT range and all it did was knock the saucer into the atmosphere of a planet and disable a few thrusters, which crash landed and was intact. Grevious' ship had it's sablizers disabled by MJ weapons and got torn in half during a rentry.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 part 2/2. Also, in the star wars universe there are alot of shield types. Combat deflector shields, which can be divided into energy and physical, hyperspace protector fields and atmosferic containment shields, which are the ones you saw on Grievous ship. It seems you're knowledge is a bit single-sided.
I hope i cleared this up now. On the other hand my opinion is that star wars and star trek can't be compared. I just wanted to make clear that star wars ships do have shields.
Venatorial 1 month ago
@Venatorial Also, Wiki's are ALL non canon.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Venatorial "there are alot of shield types."
In Trek they can generate any type of energy field which you think qualifies as a 'shield'. What do you think they do when they have a hull breach? What do you think they use for force fields? What do you think keeps life support in a cargo bay when a shuttle leaves? Generating different energy field types is child's play for either franchise.
"seems you're knowledge is a bit single-sided."
As is yours
DigitalAlpine 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Compare this to a 22nd century ship. The NX-01's Phase cannons had a max power output of 500 Gigajoules and it's Photonic Torpedoes were stated by Reed to beable to at least knock the com array of a Shuttle without damaging it's hull or is capable of creating a 3km crater at max. This would mean that the NX-01's Photonics at their max yeild come out at about 33 Megatons. Impressive but that just shows ho much more powerful Trek ships have become in just 2 centuries.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE Yes it does.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
I wish somebody would put pen to paper and write this saga!
Keoni3535 4 months ago
Well made.
mgkpraesi 4 months ago
the empire would have won if this was real
daniellisnermeicker 5 months ago
@daniellisnermeicker they nearly did till the enterprise warped the hell off
bryanwolfie 4 months ago
Since it's the good guys vs the bad guys then why not the other way around?
Like Borg vs. Rebels? Or Dominion vs. Rebels? Or Klingons or Romulans or.. vs Rebels?
SW is pretty much only each one party "good / bad" and ST has more divers groups.
guardian040 5 months ago
@guardian040
Why not Borg vs Empire .... ?
...... Or how about mixing a third .... "World" into it, like AvP?
RubberyCat 4 months ago
Very well done video! I like it. :)
The problem is that SW -was- in a Galaxy far away and ST -will be- in our Galaxy.
I'd like to see Q vs. Vader. ;P
guardian040 5 months ago
@guardian040 Q wins. Haha! No contest there.
JustinHill47 4 months ago 2
@JustinHill47 ha ha exactly.... same with the emperor, the emperor would say "your arrogance blinds you master Q now you will experience the full power of the dark side", the emperor shoots force lightning at Q and it hits him all over his body and Q would just say "oh stop it that tickles" the emperor stops shooting, Q says "now it's my turn"
Q snaps his finger and the emperor vanishes into thin air...... the end lol
elcap22 4 months ago 7
@elcap22 ...And then Galactus arrives and sodomizes Q while Cthuluu looks on...you do realize these are fictional characters, right? Yeesh. The Trekkies/Trekkers/Fuckers (whatever they call themselves) sure get uptight when they feel their beloved "Wagon Train To The Stars" is being slighted. Because deep down, you KNOW Star Wars is superior, and has completely marginalized Trek in popular culture. Whine all you want - you can't polish a turd.
cryptozoo22 3 months ago
@cryptozoo22 nah i prefer star trek, i'd say they're as good as each other, both have reasons for being superior
elcap22 3 months ago
@cryptozoo22 Name a Star Wars pop culture reference. I'll wait. Meanwhile:
Beam me up, Mr Spock!
He's dead, Jim.
Warp drive, Mr. Scott!
Lt. LaForge : "Photon Torpedoes - isn't that the universal greeting when you don't know someone?"
Cmdr. Riker: "I think it was Universal for when you don't like someone."
Data (new to tastebuds): "Eeeyyuuugh! I HATE this! Absolutely REVOLTING..."
Guinan: More?
Data (enthusiastic): "Please!"
We are the [insert] Resistance is futile.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@cryptozoo22 well if Galactus can defeat Q, he'd sure as hell have no problem defeating the emperor, anyway Q is still more powerful than Galactus, Q would block himself from galactu' powers, they have the same powers but Q goes beyond. Anyway, deep down YOU KNOW nothing in star wars would win against Q.
elcap22 3 months ago
@elcap22 "My ally is the force, and a strong ally it is". Q stands no chance.
onlypeaceindeath 2 months ago
@cryptozoo22 ridiculous
hk775861677 2 months ago
@elcap22 Thats exactly what would actually happen.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
"Commander Cody... Execute order 67. Kill all nerds bitchin about whos better and teach their children sth. about real life"
hokejistazmesta 5 months ago 2
Idazmi7 What a dumb-ass. Pretend to be above it, then sit back and take punk assed pot shots. First I only argue when somebody starts on me like I told you when you were leaving stuff in my inbox. Stop being a little girl about this stuff. By now everybody has seen that site so stop using others arguments to pimp your view. It's all FICTION!!!
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG You started it. And I didn't see you not fighting about it.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 You lie. And now you're at me about a dead arguement? This is beyond stupid. You must have some other motive,. Please find someone else to stalk.
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG I don't have to stalk, you guys are everywhere. First of all, both of you and Perion are angry with me for infringing on your little "hate fest". I enjoy Star Trek AND Star Wars, and cannot abide viewing a YouTube video in which you two have half the comments. Neither of you have checked out that website I posted, which only deals with combat. Trek isn't about combat at all: not that you care. I just increased the amount of conflict that could happen. A smart person would ignore me. XD
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 You don't have to stalk, but, that doesn't seem to even slow you down. And It's a real laugh that you're still wasting the same space while crying about us doing it. Stop being such a sad add. Two weeks and your lonely add is still sniffing the ass-end of a dead argument then you make a lame attempt at begging for the last word. Oh, looking at that site on my iPad it doesn't cover stalking. Maybe you should look again. You should know stalking is a felony
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG Not online, it's not. Also, you're not laughing. You're seething.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 been reading stuff at st-sw.net for an hour wtf do you mean not online? Unlike you I don't engage in cowardly acts of deception and I'm really laughing at you thinking that you're something to seeth over. Well maybe your poor parents might. Oh, I hope all this stalking doesn't have you touching anything yourself. Kind of freaky you can't let this go.
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG Deception? Not to mention, you won't let go either. That st-sw net is pure Trek Wank. (scientifically sound Wank, but Wank nontheless) Perion seems to be partly right about you, you are a single-minded nerd who won't let idiots lie alone. You cannot prove superiority if you keep stooping to the level of forgetting what makes your franchise tick. You could stop responding tome at anytime, but you keep coming back, and making yourself look stupid. (Everyone just *knows* your right...)
Idazmi7 5 months ago
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Traveler201 5 months ago
Both @MrKellG and Perion are idiots. They constantly argue as if Star Trek were Star Wars and vice-versa. Go to:
st-v-sw.net/STSwhi2.html
That SHOULD settle this, it is the only site that actually looks at both sides objectively, INCLUDING inconsistencies and non-canon.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
It's not true, Dark Side of the Force will never loose, it lurks underground & wiill strike with double force!
IceShapedGod 5 months ago
@IceShapedGod The dark side always loses.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
st-v-sw.net/STSwhi2.html Is a very useful website. It explains which ships are more powerful through visible evidence, INCLUDING non-canon, why both are impossible, and WHY THE ARGUMENT IS SENSLESS.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
So, you at least admit your Q would never line, never had a leg to stand on. Look a little further and you'll see Q's bias regarding life from this galaxy.
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG Q's non interference with any war with the Empire/Federation still stands. IE, he isn't going to fight/use hi powers against the Empire/for the Federation.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion So evidence doesn't count unless it supports your theory. I call that wishful thinking. you could have just said you were that type from the start. I know you think i'm some kind of Star Trek again, INCORRECT my thing's sci fi, you say i'm grasping at straws, i say you need to stop trying to blow smoke up my ass with this details only count when you want crap. what a waste. after all this you think i don't know the details of the planet killer or the death star? really?
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG Details count for everything, it's not my fault that none of them support your theories, so don't accuse me of dishonesty just because the evidence doesn't weight in your favour like you thought it did.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion Incorrect! Yet again, that willful blindness is all yours.
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG You keep blithely saying "Incorrect!" and accusing me of blindness, yet you cannot see the fact that there are distinct differences between the events you cited and a potential confrontation between the Empire and the Federation. Meanwhile when there are similarities between them (such as all the alternate universes where the federation get curb-stomped by some random power, the Q naturally never intervene or save them)
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion Silly Rabbit. I say incorrect because you are WRONG. you religiously cling ST inconsistancies while you brush off the same in SW like they're not there it's all here in print, willful blindness, get it? Flailing INCORRECT AGAIN!!! sorry i'm still new but i think i'm allowed to look at other stuff and comment. not my fault you've been stuck on this since last year or longer
MrKellG 5 months ago
Respond to this video...Hey at this moment your next 30 responses are lighting my phone up.haha if what you say is true(yeah doubtful) you have been bored for a loooonnngg time cause you are all over this stuff. perhaps you should try getting a non fictional life. childish? pot calling the kettle black.
MrKellG 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Ha, you saw poo, and thought you had a easy one. as they say tricks are for kids
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG Sooo... can I enjoy the friggin video? Really? Or do you still want to argue? Here's a very informational link for you, entertainment wrecker:
st-v-sw.net/STSwhi2.html
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@MrKellG It's clear from your immature behaviour, blatant dishonesty and general lack of education that you really aren't worth my time.
When given answers you don't like, (IE that prove you wrong) you respond with childish insults and blanket statements with no backing. When you finally do bring in what you feel is evidence to support your claim, I show you why it isn't evidence at all. At which point you repeat said cycle.
Perion 5 months ago
@MrKellG Of course the only reason why I responded to you at all after you used words like "poo" repeatedly was because I was bored at the time.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion Stands on that pile of crap you're shoveling.
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG Now you're just flailing in all directions, making random comments to things said months ago.
Perion 5 months ago
So sad so sad
MrKellG 6 months ago
You clearly are not using all of your senses. From my first post I said the arguments don't matter both series are loaded with inconsistency. You don't recall me saying this is supposed to be fun not beef. I just paraphrased so don't pick that apart
MrKellG 6 months ago
@MrKellG Inconsistencies are common but they just become outliers, as I've stated elsewhere it's the majority that becomes the standard, for example. The BOP is most often portrayed at ~100m, which is the official/canon size. The times where it's shown at 75m, 50m or even 300m in voyage home are outliers and are thus discarded.
The Executor's size is very consistent on screen, however until the past couple of years, the "official" figures for it's size have been wrong.
Perion 5 months ago
Twist all you will but you know damn well they chose to name those things what they did for a reason. Sorry the reason wasn't to win you a silly argument the only nonsense is your blindness. And if weren't for interfering there wouldn't be a Q character so stop spewing that line of poo.
MrKellG 6 months ago
@MrKellG They chose the name because they do share at least one characteristic, Star Wars Lasers are directed energy weapons, but beyond that they have nothing in common with lasers, also the word "Laser" is so generic that it's pretty much the modern day equivalent of "Ray Gun". Neutronium Armour is super strong and dense, but beyond that it shares none of the characteristics of Degenerate matter. They chose the name because it sounds impressive and scientific.
Perion 6 months ago
@Perion No no son. when they said Ray gun they meant gun that fired a ray beam, when they say l a s e r they mean laser unless it's SW. Then it means powerful gas bubble
MrKellG 5 months ago