this countrys 2 soft on gun killings. goin 2 jail heres like takin a brake in a posh hotel. u dnt c killers ov children etc.. in american jails havin a holiday
0:37, in those pictures, most of the people there were killed by knife crimes outside schools, for instance, the boy next to the question mark, was killed last year or something via stabbing
you guys are funny, you think an object commits a crime, and instead of hitting the problem head on, you go after the object.
You must find the root of the problem, drugs, lack of parental supervision, peers, neighboorhood? also what about the suppliers of guns drugs? make the penalty so severe, that many will quit.
But nooo, let's go after a gun, that does nothing, without a finger on the trigger..lol
i like the statements 'carrying a gun does not make you cool'....well obvously the people carrying them possibly think it does....or at least attach a real value,or use to having a gun. just because its your point of view shouldnt make it stated fact on a video.
Btw nobbybob. I really want you to give me an example of a country that introduced GUN CONTROL or a GUN BAN and had it's crime figures and gun numbers dropping since.
You people in England should realize that prosecuting a criminal for the tools he uses is really stupid because these tools can generally be used for non criminal activities. Or are you people also going to make crowbars and lockpicks illegal.
Prosecute the criminal for his real crimes: murder, robbery, burglary, etc
A crowbar can be used for non criminal activities, so can a knife, which is why we generally stipulate were and when you ought to be in possession of a knife or crowbar and so on.
For instance, its not right for people to be in pubs or clubs carrying knives.
Anyone found in a pub with a knife, is probably going to be prosecuted.
Anyone carrying a knife in the street is going to be prosecuted.
If for some reason I need to go in a very, very dangerous neigborhood at night I wouldn't hesitate to carry a gun or other effective weapon because I would rather have some means to defend myself and do 5 years in jail then being defenseless and be 6 feet under.
'Anyone carrying a knife in the street is going to be prosecuted.'
I always carry two knives. One in my swiss army knife the other in a multitool. And given my profession I would feel handicapped without them. I also never had any problems with police about them.
I don't want a gun myself, but if things get worse, I'll revise my views. Even then, I'd only consider it if it was legal.
Having a gun might make things worse, but it depends on your character and frame of mind. As it stands, if I'm burgled or mugged, I've got a bunch of keys, and whatever household goods.
What worries me is that legal guns get stolen and become illegal. This leads to the call for more guns to fend off the scum with stolen guns.
"Having a gun might make things worse, but it depends on your character and frame of mind."
I agree. You can't give guns to people with instable personality's. So I am totally for a thorough examination of those who want to acquire a gun. After these tests you get some sort of gun license with which you can buy guns.
Strange thing though is that these tests for policemen are very loose or non existent. As a matter of fact the largest mass shooting in modern history was done by a deranged cop.
"I don't want a gun myself, but if things get worse, I'll revise my views. Even then, I'd only consider it if it was legal."
Problem is that in a few cases the law is not a very good reference for things being good or bad. The best thing is to follow your own conciousness and rational thinking regardless of what the law says. Especially when it concerns your life or that of others.
After all in Nazi Germany it was illegal to hide jews. My choice would have been simple Fuck the law, help jews.
Well, now that we've caught the killer and his chums, you can debate the gun argument if you so wish.
It was just a bit insensitive to debate guns when the killer was out there, with a gun!
That said, its possible that the criminals would be less inclined to invade property, private or commercial, if they thought the honest man and women would have a fighting chance.
The mob in the park might not be inclined to stamp on someone's head if the old man limping towards them is aiming a gun.
people think people with guns are hard. they're just not. they're WEAK. too WEAK to fight with their fists, too WEAK to have ANY respect. too WEAK to even be called a human.
I would indeed feel safer in a society where sane, responsible and well trained people are allowed to carry guns.
Because after all why do we trust armed police but not armed citizens. Are policemen some sort of superskilled supermoral superhuman beings. Truth is both policeman and citizen are the same.
And btw I would trust a sportsshooter more for my defence then a regular copper. Most sportsshooters easily outshoot a regular cop and there are more sportshooters than cops.
"or one that doesn't , and you then become 60 times less likely to die by being shot"
I like to see that illustrated with figures.
I bet you can't find any because the opposit is true. And that can be proven with statistics of almost any country.
Ps: You are 100 000 times more likely to be splattered by a speeding and unexperienced cardriver then a legal gunowner. ROFL. It's not the object but the person who handles it who's the danger.
i dont really like the fact that people are seeing that banning all guns because of what happened to this unfortunate child who got shot. first of all, rhys was killed by a 9mm pistol - which are banned in the uk. this shows that banning all guns because parents want to stop their children being killed - well this shows that banning guns does NOT make a difference to people being killed by them.
how can you possibly say this ?? how do you know that if the guns were not banned that many many more people would die?? (as happens in the USA) just cos our gun laws didn't save rhys, would be like saying "traffics lights didn't stop this particular accident , so we may as well not have traffic lights"---who's kind of twisted thinking is that--oh i know the gun lobby that's who
I am not the gun lobby. So stop argueing about the so called "gun lobby". I can just as well argue with the term "anti-gun lobby" but I don't because it's lame.
Btw the USA seems to be the holy grail for those in favor of gun control. Fact is that the murder rate in the USA is steadily dropping from the 70's onwards. And gun restrictions are generally loosening in the USA from that time onward. For the UK the opposit is true: gun control up, murder rate up
"traffics lights didn't stop this particular accident , so we may as well not have traffic lights"
You are twisting my arguement. What happens with gun control: "gosh someone killed someone with a Lamborghini so let's ban sportscars because after all when we ban them nobody can be killed with them right and after all who needs a sportscar anyway. Next someone hits a child with a Land Rover. Ban the 4x4's because no 4x4's no deaths and who needs a 4x4 stupid. Next a sedan, compact, tractor, etc"
So instead of banning cars place good trafficrules, roadsigns and speedcamera's and punish violaters harshly. But let everybody enjoy the convenience of having a car.
(If you haven't figured it out yet you can replace the word car with gun and see if the arguement still makes sense)
you talk of replacing the word gun with car in this argument WRONG one big diference here a gun is designed to do one thing (kill)a car is not . now you may go on about people using guns for target practice and all that bull so let them use some kind of laser senser game type gun for that. and if thats not good enough tough, cos saving lives is more important than some one being able to do their target shooting! PS why do u think our death rate from guns is so much lower in the uk than the usa?
"one big diference here a gun is designed to do one ....."
Wrong. A gun is designed to shoot a bullet.
A car is designed to spin its wheels. The only thing you can say is purpose. I admit that a gun's original purpose was indeed to kill. But the same is true for knives, axes, bows, hamers, swords, fire, gps, fertilizer etc. But I don't see anyone going A-wall over them because everything can have multiple purposes.
People kill people with guns, cars , knives, bare hands, socks. Ban them???????
"now you may go on about people using guns for target practice and all that bull so let them use some kind of laser senser game type gun for that and if thats not good enough tough, cos saving lives is more important than some one being able to do their target shooting"
now you may go on about people using cars to go to work and all that bull so let them use their bicycle and if thats not good enough tough, cos saving lives is more important than some one being able to drive their car to work!
if what you say that its not the gun that does the damage but the person using it was right (and its not) does that then mean that there are 60 times as many crazy people in the USA compared to the U.K then ? If not please explain to me why our murder by gun rates are so low compared to the USA. Go on i dare you TELL ME WHY OUR FIGURES ARE SO LOW if it has nothing to do with the fact that guns are illegal here!!
"Go on i dare you TELL ME WHY OUR FIGURES ARE SO LOW."
Ok you asked for it. Due to character limit I cannot post the full numbers. And NO UK murder numbers are not at all low compared to mainland Europe which generally has less gun control laws.
This document uses the numbers given by governments and lays them beside each other.
dobbelu . gunfacts . be
If you find a contrary paper wich mentions its sources please post link.
i asked you why the uk death by gun figures were so low compared to the U.S and you babbled on about europe so i ask again why according to your figures (which i dissagree with ) are there 3 times as many deaths in the USA as in the UK. I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE USA FIGURES ARE SO HIGH ?
"i asked you why the uk death by gun figures were so low compared to the U.S and you babbled on about europe"
Again check:
w w w . gunfacts . be
There you can find a comparison of GOVERNMENT issued crime figures (with references).
Reason I compared UK with Europe is because the UK is part of Europe and has more in common with Europe then the US. And btw ALL UK crime figures EXCEPT murder are HIGHER than those of the US. So don't tell me the UK has low crime compared to US.
LMAO YOU SAY A GUN IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERELY TO FIRE A BULLET ! DO YOU KNOW HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS?? ITS LIKE SAYING A NAIL BOMB IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERLELY TO FIRE A LARGE NUMBER OF NAILS IN DIFERENT DIRECTIONS AT HIGH VELOCITY (THINK ABOUT IT )
oh AND BY THE WAY CARS ARE AN EVERYDAY NECESITY DIFFICULT FOR MOST OF SOCIETY DO DO WITHOUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE -- GUNS ARE MOST DEFINATLY NOT -- SO DRAW ANOTHER ANALOGY PLEASE!
I agree that the design of things like guns, cars, architecture can be altered in order to comply with a particular pre-intended purpose. However the basic design remains unaltered: shooting bullet, spin wheels, resist nature's forces.
one simple question "tell me why the death by gun rate is so high in the USA compared to the UK " and dont babble on about europe and their rates ect to try and avoid answering my very specific question. Those reading this watch him try to squirm his way out of answering, and try to deflect the question onto somthing else anything to avoid the inevitable answer! WHY IS THE USA DEATH BY GUN RATE HIGHER THAN THE UK ?? answer or shut the fuck up!
"WHY IS THE USA DEATH BY GUN RATE HIGHER THAN THE UK"
Main reason: Different culture. A while back a scientific study concluded that american youth, when questioned, prefer violent solutions to problems over more peacefull ones compared to European youth.
Europeans are more peacefull than their cousins on the American continent. Murder rate's on the North and South American continent are ranging from 3(US) to 30(Brazil) times those on the European continent regardless of their strict gunlaws.
I forgot to mention Colombia which has a murder rate of 78 per 100 000. This is roughly 60 times the murder rate of Europe. 70% are murdered by firearms. And Colombia has a gun ban.
Main reason: Different culture. A while back a scientific study concluded that american youth, when questioned, prefer violent solutions to problems over more peacefull ones compared to European youth.
Diferent culture is correct and yours is a culture awash with guns as is brazil regardless of wether they are legal or not the problem is that guns are freely available in your culture, but not here to anything like the same extent hence the difering death by gun rates fact! BAN GUNS NOW
People like you should understand that you cannot "un-invent" the gun. Even when you close all the gun-factories in the world there will still be guns because everyone with a garden shed en some tools can make a gun. The simpelest gun to make is a single shot shotgun, second is an automatic shotgun and next is a smg (mac10 or stengun). And with the current proliferation of CNC machinery no gun design is out of reach for the average garden hobbyist.
And really making your own gun isn't that hard if you know what you are doing and got the right tools. There are some interesting how to video's here on youtube. Check the one where a guy show you how to properly bend a receiver for an ak-47. There are also numerous CNC site's where people machine their own 1911's and ar-15's from bar stock.
"you cant get rid of them UNLESS you make them ilegall FIRST THEN MAYBE ONE DAY THE AMERICAN SIOCIETY WILL NOT BE SO AWASH WITH GUNS"
You really really don't get it do you? In jamaica ALL guns are BANNED since the 70's. There are now MORE guns then before the ban. Making something illegal DOESN'T make it go away if there is a demand. You probably make it WORSE with a ban. Same with drugs. There have never been more drugs then when they were legal during the 19th century.
"WHY IS THE USA DEATH BY GUN RATE HIGHER THAN THE UK ??"
I recently found out another reason why the murder numbers are so different from the US. The reason that is is because the UK calculates the murder numbers by actual convictions of murder. Manslaughter and suspicious deaths (no suspect) are not calculated in murder figures. In the US all violent deaths regardless of conviction or suspect are calculated as murder So the UK has an "at least" quote and the US has an "at most" quote on murder
so tell me which of these can society do without the gun or the car?? pretty easy that one seeing as guns are already illegal here and we manage just fine , but if cars were taken away??
'ok lets put it this way --for a modern society to exist transport IS a necisity- guns are not!'
Bullshit. A city here in Belgium called Hasselt has largely banned its car traffic out of its city. Public transportation is free and many people use bycicles. Some villages in the Netherlands have banned cars almost completely. Only 2 in 10 families there own a car. So your arguement about 'necessety' is bullshit. Just like guns and all the rest are NOT necessities. Only food, water, shelter.
"LMAO YOU SAY A GUN IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERELY TO FIRE A BULLET"
Again design and purpose are two completely different things. (I think you are playin deaf on purpose ;-)). For example I am an architecture student. A buildings design and construction is to withstand gravity and other forces. It's purpose is to either house people, house a firm or just show of its particular form. Buildings can also change purpose just like anything else.
"and what amazing purpose does shooting a bullet serve that we simply cant do without ??"
No purpose we can't do without. Again food, water, shelter.
Purposes can be entertainment, self defence.....
Self defence can however be a very important purpose. But again pointy sticks can also provide self defence, but i don't see many criminals carrying pointy sticks. So why can't we equal the fight?
"ITS LIKE SAYING A NAIL BOMB IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERLELY TO FIRE A LARGE NUMBER OF NAILS IN DIFERENT DIRECTIONS AT HIGH VELOCITY"
Do you know Salvator Dali. He used a nail bomb or nail shooting gun (don't remember well which one he used) to make a particular series of paintings. And yes a nail bomb is designed to fire nails at velocity. Only difference is for what purpose you use it. Killing or something else.
nobbybob. if you are consistent with what you are saying here you shouldn't use anything that has been "designed" for killing or military purposes including hammers, knives, axes, bows, airplanes, gps(US military satelites), fertilizers(nitrates aka high explosives), internet(US military servers), encryption(enigma), electricity from nuclear plants(A-bomb), highways(nazi-germany), fireworks(chinese warfare), telegram(US civil war), wireless transmition(WWI) and many more.
We're not an 'anti gun lobby', and don't wish to spoil it for genuine gun collectors and hobbyists and sportspeople and hunters.
The bad people with guns in Liverpool are involved in drug capers.
We're not looking for some pensioner with a service revolver to be jailed.
Liverpool has agreed that WE want 10 years for the people with the guns. This will mean that anyone threatened by the gangs to hold guns in storage will be able to say NO.
"We're not looking for some pensioner with a service revolver to be jailed."
Sorry but they are. Last time I checked someone was jailed for four years because he had an old .455 webley service revolver hanging on his wall. Some copper saw it hanging during a house visit (and btw .455 webley ammo isn't made anymore so you can't even fire the damn thing)
If you are interested I will send the link to the article
Thinking that criminals won't have guns when you ban them is a logical falacy
I hope you are not that stupid in believing such a thing because a sub machine gun is one of the most simpel guns you can make in your back garden.
Everyone with a hand file, drill and welding tool can make a full automatic smg in his back garden. Plans for some of them (including the british stengun(marvel of low tech engineering) and mac 10) are floating the internet
It was not the gun that killed reece it was a liverpool gangster criminal who got the gun regardless of your antigun campaigning you have introduced every law under the sun but it still hasn't stopped the deaths surley you see that more gun laws aren't the ansewer because you said yourself the deaths regarding guns have increased but perhaps lives could be saved if you had a right to bear arms join my orginization THE BRITISH FIREARMS ASSOCIATION we will help innocent citizen defend themselves
Fuck, these anti gun lobbies ruined the sport of airsoft and airsoft gun collectors like myself. These are toys we are talking about not real guns I don't even want a real gun.
Guns should be legal in united kindom it hell where i live we need to be able to protect our selfs though am clever enough to ignore the laws and protect my self hell if i need to shoot to protect someone or my self i will shoot
It's hell ye so try n get yourself out, get out of Liverpool altoghether if y have to, loads get out, u were a dick to get yourself trapped in in the first place. I know you're intelligent enough to know tho that if you stay in y gang you'll end up dead, locked up or a failure. Want that or would y rather have mates who have as much of a buzz n are just as loyal to eachother outside.
yea fukin games dont count u prik lol fukin net poser u dont come on a memoreal for rhys pretendin to be hard ur a fukin knob jus get bak on ur 360 u gimp
Blork - You can never make an argument for legalising handguns and automatic weapons in the UK. No one apart from the police and armed services need them. The ban was for handguns and automatic weapons. Given we have no lions or tigers in the countryside, a .22 rifle or a shotgun will suffice for any Englishman. Making something illegal does not it attractive.
Mark my words, in two or three years .22 rifles and shotguns will be banned in the UK. Again using the same phrases "noone really needs them" "guns are a menace to society".
Agreed u have no lions or tigers but apparently you have a lot of critters of the two legged variety ;).
Hmmmm apparently you don't know much about psychology so let me explain. In a population there is always a certain amount of people who are attracted to illegal things. No matter how no matter what they MUST have that BECAUSE it is illegal. Most notorious example Eve and the apple. Best UK example CB radio's. Prohibited before 1980 (everyone had to have one those days). Legalized thereafter (no one cared anymore and sales dropped dramatically)
-They want to find out what the fuss about this forbidden fruit really is.
-They want to be different from the flock and see this illegal thing as a prolongiation of their deviant lifestyle. They want to distinguis themselves from ordinary society and form their own. They use codes and things that are considered "shocking" and "illegal" by ordinary society. Remember the Punk scene in the 80's. And look at the Gangsta scene now. (see next comment)
A brief history of strong young criminal versus old granny. First the criminal had a big club. The granny had a cane because that was al she could wield. The granny is minced meat. Then the invention of the repeating handgun (Colt) Criminal has a revolver. Granny has a revolver. Both have equal chance of survival. Now legislators tell that no one is allowed to have a gun. The criminal don't care about laws and has a gun. The granny hands in her revolver uses her cane. Granny is swiss cheese.
SCE2AUX - Actually, the ban on handguns and automatic weapons does have its benefits in the UK. We rarely have pupils shooting dead 33 classmates & shopping 'malls' are free from disaffected gun carrying people, going through a 'bad phase'. So, yes, it helps a little to stop our police signing gun licenses for people who murder 16 children and the teacher in the local primary school. (Dunblane 96 RIP)
LoL I don't get it. You are saying that the UK gun law has it's benifits although in your video you state that 10 people are wounded or killed by guns EVERY DAY. I don't really classify that as a succesfull law.
So comparing the US with the UK. People will blow each others brains out with or without gun laws. Simple. I even think that the UK with gun laws has an even bigger problem than the US because when guns are illegal, illegal guns will find their way to young children much easier. A illegal gundealer doesn't ask for ID a legal gunshop does.
It is also know that when you make something illegal the black market on that particular illegal thing explodes. A good example was the prohibition in the US in the 30's. Other good examples are drugs.
Another phenomena is that people are always attracted to things that are forbidden. When it is legal no one cares, when it is illegal it gets attractive.
I even bet that when they make guns legal to own and carry the gangsta's interest in guns would drop because it's not cool or illegal or anything else anymore because everyone can do it. Carrying a gun loses it's gangsta factor when it becomes legal. LOL
Btw the gangsta way of life would become much more dangerous when they allow normal people to carry a gun. Try robbing an armed victim without getting your brains blown out.
And in case you should wonder. I was a former anti-gun supporter. But studying the matter in depth with the REAL figures (police statistics and scientific analyses) and NOT the emotionally colored and cherry picked figures presented by the media.
You idiot. When gun's are legal, and illegal gun owner can still sell them to kids. What the fuck are you talking about? The death or murder ratio, not rate, RATIO - confirms that the USA has a higher crime / murder rate.
"When gun's are legal, and illegal gun owner can still sell them to kids."
Indeed. But WHY are kids buying guns?
One of the reasons I gave was that they buy them BECAUSE they are illegal. If you legalize them you take away this ILLEGAL attraction of them.
Same reason for XTC and other drugs. Many start with it BECAUSE they want to do something illegal and say a big "FUCK U" to the establishment and society.
Ps: In Switzerland every household has an automatic machinegun. Check their murder rate
I assume kids are buying guns because they're not only easily accessible, but fairly cheap.
Also, some kids feel as though it's the only way out. They may buy guns to be rebellious but I fairly doubt that. It's generic to say such things. Any straight minded person knows not to buy a gun. People without values would purchase a gun.
"I assume kids are buying guns because they're not only easily accessible, but fairly cheap."
And guess why they are cheap and easily accesible. It's the law of the free market. Kids want guns BECAUSE they are illegal (this is the demand). Illegal gun dealers recognize this demand and provide merchandise (they see profit). In the beginning there is high demand but low offer so the price is high. But eventually as more and more guns enter the black market they become cheaper and cheaper.
So in a sence cheap illegal guns are a sign on the wall. aka: it's gonna get worse.
Little side note: Legal guns generally have a fixed price. And I don't know much teenagers with a spare 1000€ for a Smith&Wesson or 1500 or more for a good 1911 (even if, they can't get a permit for it).
But they can get an illegal kalasjnikov for the price of an mp3 player 100€
"People without values would purchase a gun."
Hmmmmm. A little over the top don't you agree. According to you I have no values :p.
Its time for the people of Liverpool to dish out their own justice. A public hanging again in Croxteth Park by the public, for the public.
Get the scum off the streets. If they want to play with guns then send them to Afghanistan with the real men. RIP young Rhys. our children deserve better than this. Id like to be proud to be a Merseysider again.
So on Saturday nite when you are having a little snort THINK!!!! how many bullets you have contributed too for the Taliban to aimed at our boys, who are fighting a WAR, a war for your future and your childrens.
Most of the gun crime in England is down to Drug wars! 90% of cocaine on English streets is from Afganistan....Us Brits are paying for the arms n ammunition for the likes of the Taliban and other individual groups known as AL-QUADER, to use on BRITISH SOILDERS over in Afganistan and Iraq!!!
So although you think that being at home the middle east has or is no concern of yours, you do not realise that you are playing a very large role when you buy cocaine.
Gee gun control sure made England safer didn't it? Your gun crimes are rising despite the fact guns were banned. Now you've created a safe working environment for criminals by banning guns by law abiding citizens, congratulations.
I'm gona argue against that... I'm actually really annoyed at that comment! if fyou think it's just in Liverpool then open your eyes you prick. I'm from liverpool myself an yer that does happen IN SOME AREAS, not ALL OF LIVERPOOL... and it happens in a lot of other places as well.
Why do people in Liverpool turn a blind eye to what their children do? They DO know what they're up to as most follow the example set by their parents. Parents and neighbours should STOP turning a blind eye and contact police.
I'm gona argue against that... I'm actually really annoyed at that comment! if fyou think it's just in Liverpool then open your eyes you prick. I'm from liverpool myself an yer that does happen IN SOME AREAS, not ALL OF LIVERPOOL... and it happens in a lot of other places as well.
Guns dont kill people, people kill people, you can kill someone with just about anything, so why not ban everything,
501joshb 2 years ago
this countrys 2 soft on gun killings. goin 2 jail heres like takin a brake in a posh hotel. u dnt c killers ov children etc.. in american jails havin a holiday
xxxbabycakes2k8xxx 3 years ago
0:37, in those pictures, most of the people there were killed by knife crimes outside schools, for instance, the boy next to the question mark, was killed last year or something via stabbing
devestationn 3 years ago
you guys are funny, you think an object commits a crime, and instead of hitting the problem head on, you go after the object.
You must find the root of the problem, drugs, lack of parental supervision, peers, neighboorhood? also what about the suppliers of guns drugs? make the penalty so severe, that many will quit.
But nooo, let's go after a gun, that does nothing, without a finger on the trigger..lol
ricktheman95 3 years ago 2
crimes by knife are up 500%, lol...dumbest thing they ever did.
ricktheman95 3 years ago 2
gun control here in the uk has back fired big time its time to allow all law abiding uk adults the right to carry a conceled pistol/revolver
painsey 3 years ago
i like the statements 'carrying a gun does not make you cool'....well obvously the people carrying them possibly think it does....or at least attach a real value,or use to having a gun. just because its your point of view shouldnt make it stated fact on a video.
grieves968 3 years ago
Nobbybob
You CAN'T get rid of guns in any possible way.
Criminals or outlaws will ALWAYS have guns unless something deadlier comes along.
The only difference is whether regular citizens are allowed them or not.
blork5 3 years ago
Btw nobbybob. I really want you to give me an example of a country that introduced GUN CONTROL or a GUN BAN and had it's crime figures and gun numbers dropping since.
Please introduce me to that Utopian country.
blork5 3 years ago
You people in England should realize that prosecuting a criminal for the tools he uses is really stupid because these tools can generally be used for non criminal activities. Or are you people also going to make crowbars and lockpicks illegal.
Prosecute the criminal for his real crimes: murder, robbery, burglary, etc
blork5 3 years ago
A crowbar can be used for non criminal activities, so can a knife, which is why we generally stipulate were and when you ought to be in possession of a knife or crowbar and so on.
For instance, its not right for people to be in pubs or clubs carrying knives.
Anyone found in a pub with a knife, is probably going to be prosecuted.
Anyone carrying a knife in the street is going to be prosecuted.
Anyone with a gun will get 5 years jail.
liverpooltimes 3 years ago
And for carrying a gun.
If for some reason I need to go in a very, very dangerous neigborhood at night I wouldn't hesitate to carry a gun or other effective weapon because I would rather have some means to defend myself and do 5 years in jail then being defenseless and be 6 feet under.
blork5 3 years ago
'Anyone carrying a knife in the street is going to be prosecuted.'
I always carry two knives. One in my swiss army knife the other in a multitool. And given my profession I would feel handicapped without them. I also never had any problems with police about them.
blork5 3 years ago
I don't want a gun myself, but if things get worse, I'll revise my views. Even then, I'd only consider it if it was legal.
Having a gun might make things worse, but it depends on your character and frame of mind. As it stands, if I'm burgled or mugged, I've got a bunch of keys, and whatever household goods.
What worries me is that legal guns get stolen and become illegal. This leads to the call for more guns to fend off the scum with stolen guns.
How many guns are stolen each year in the USA?
liverpooltimes 3 years ago
"Having a gun might make things worse, but it depends on your character and frame of mind."
I agree. You can't give guns to people with instable personality's. So I am totally for a thorough examination of those who want to acquire a gun. After these tests you get some sort of gun license with which you can buy guns.
Strange thing though is that these tests for policemen are very loose or non existent. As a matter of fact the largest mass shooting in modern history was done by a deranged cop.
blork5 3 years ago
"I don't want a gun myself, but if things get worse, I'll revise my views. Even then, I'd only consider it if it was legal."
Problem is that in a few cases the law is not a very good reference for things being good or bad. The best thing is to follow your own conciousness and rational thinking regardless of what the law says. Especially when it concerns your life or that of others.
After all in Nazi Germany it was illegal to hide jews. My choice would have been simple Fuck the law, help jews.
blork5 3 years ago
Well, now that we've caught the killer and his chums, you can debate the gun argument if you so wish.
It was just a bit insensitive to debate guns when the killer was out there, with a gun!
That said, its possible that the criminals would be less inclined to invade property, private or commercial, if they thought the honest man and women would have a fighting chance.
The mob in the park might not be inclined to stamp on someone's head if the old man limping towards them is aiming a gun.
liverpooltimes 3 years ago
sorry for the multiple post but youtube commenting sometimes suck
blork5 3 years ago
I've removed the multiple posts, and yes YouTube does suck, a lot!
Fair play to your comments though.
Could be a good thing to have a few neighbours armed.
Could be a bad thing.
It all depends on your own neighbourhood.
liverpooltimes 3 years ago
people think people with guns are hard. they're just not. they're WEAK. too WEAK to fight with their fists, too WEAK to have ANY respect. too WEAK to even be called a human.
HannahBananao8 4 years ago
"too WEAK to fight with their fists"
Sounds nice but I would rather be a armed living weakling than a unarmed dead hero.
What would you prefer ;-)
blork5 3 years ago
tell me would you rather be living in a society that allows guns (USA)
or one that doesn't , and you then become 60 times less likely to die by being shot
What would you prefer;-)
if you say the former then you cant see the wood for the trees, are a fool and i waste my time even talking to you
nobbybob 3 years ago
I would indeed feel safer in a society where sane, responsible and well trained people are allowed to carry guns.
Because after all why do we trust armed police but not armed citizens. Are policemen some sort of superskilled supermoral superhuman beings. Truth is both policeman and citizen are the same.
And btw I would trust a sportsshooter more for my defence then a regular copper. Most sportsshooters easily outshoot a regular cop and there are more sportshooters than cops.
blork5 3 years ago
Also a recent survey suggested that you are 3 times more likely to get mugged in "gunfree" London than in NEW YORK.
And in real figures ALL violent crime except murder is higher in the UK than in the USA.
Also check out an, for some "shocking", article in the timesonline called "Wouldn't you feel safer with a gun?"
blork5 3 years ago 2
"or one that doesn't , and you then become 60 times less likely to die by being shot"
I like to see that illustrated with figures.
I bet you can't find any because the opposit is true. And that can be proven with statistics of almost any country.
Ps: You are 100 000 times more likely to be splattered by a speeding and unexperienced cardriver then a legal gunowner. ROFL. It's not the object but the person who handles it who's the danger.
blork5 3 years ago
"are a fool and i waste my time even talking to you"
Does the term Pathos say something to you :p
blork5 3 years ago
lad i wos told shaune mercer
davy1887 4 years ago
i dont really like the fact that people are seeing that banning all guns because of what happened to this unfortunate child who got shot. first of all, rhys was killed by a 9mm pistol - which are banned in the uk. this shows that banning all guns because parents want to stop their children being killed - well this shows that banning guns does NOT make a difference to people being killed by them.
i am very sorry for what happened to him
cal883123 4 years ago
how can you possibly say this ?? how do you know that if the guns were not banned that many many more people would die?? (as happens in the USA) just cos our gun laws didn't save rhys, would be like saying "traffics lights didn't stop this particular accident , so we may as well not have traffic lights"---who's kind of twisted thinking is that--oh i know the gun lobby that's who
nobbybob 3 years ago
"oh i know the gun lobby that's who"
I am not the gun lobby. So stop argueing about the so called "gun lobby". I can just as well argue with the term "anti-gun lobby" but I don't because it's lame.
Btw the USA seems to be the holy grail for those in favor of gun control. Fact is that the murder rate in the USA is steadily dropping from the 70's onwards. And gun restrictions are generally loosening in the USA from that time onward. For the UK the opposit is true: gun control up, murder rate up
blork5 3 years ago
"how do you know that if the guns were not banned that many many more people would die?? (as happens in the USA)"
Another example for how stupid this arguement is.
In Switzerland EVERY household has a FULLY (you know the kind that says BRATATATATA) automatic military ASSAULT rifle.
Even in the USA citizen aren't allowed such hardware since 1986.
So Swiss citizen's are in all aspects more heavily armed than US citizens. However violent crime is practically non existent in Switzerland.
blork5 3 years ago
"traffics lights didn't stop this particular accident , so we may as well not have traffic lights"
You are twisting my arguement. What happens with gun control: "gosh someone killed someone with a Lamborghini so let's ban sportscars because after all when we ban them nobody can be killed with them right and after all who needs a sportscar anyway. Next someone hits a child with a Land Rover. Ban the 4x4's because no 4x4's no deaths and who needs a 4x4 stupid. Next a sedan, compact, tractor, etc"
blork5 3 years ago 2
So instead of banning cars place good trafficrules, roadsigns and speedcamera's and punish violaters harshly. But let everybody enjoy the convenience of having a car.
(If you haven't figured it out yet you can replace the word car with gun and see if the arguement still makes sense)
blork5 3 years ago 2
you talk of replacing the word gun with car in this argument WRONG one big diference here a gun is designed to do one thing (kill)a car is not . now you may go on about people using guns for target practice and all that bull so let them use some kind of laser senser game type gun for that. and if thats not good enough tough, cos saving lives is more important than some one being able to do their target shooting! PS why do u think our death rate from guns is so much lower in the uk than the usa?
nobbybob 3 years ago
"one big diference here a gun is designed to do one ....."
Wrong. A gun is designed to shoot a bullet.
A car is designed to spin its wheels. The only thing you can say is purpose. I admit that a gun's original purpose was indeed to kill. But the same is true for knives, axes, bows, hamers, swords, fire, gps, fertilizer etc. But I don't see anyone going A-wall over them because everything can have multiple purposes.
People kill people with guns, cars , knives, bare hands, socks. Ban them???????
blork5 3 years ago
"now you may go on about people using guns for target practice and all that bull so let them use some kind of laser senser game type gun for that and if thats not good enough tough, cos saving lives is more important than some one being able to do their target shooting"
now you may go on about people using cars to go to work and all that bull so let them use their bicycle and if thats not good enough tough, cos saving lives is more important than some one being able to drive their car to work!
blork5 3 years ago
if what you say that its not the gun that does the damage but the person using it was right (and its not) does that then mean that there are 60 times as many crazy people in the USA compared to the U.K then ? If not please explain to me why our murder by gun rates are so low compared to the USA. Go on i dare you TELL ME WHY OUR FIGURES ARE SO LOW if it has nothing to do with the fact that guns are illegal here!!
nobbybob 3 years ago
"Go on i dare you TELL ME WHY OUR FIGURES ARE SO LOW."
Ok you asked for it. Due to character limit I cannot post the full numbers. And NO UK murder numbers are not at all low compared to mainland Europe which generally has less gun control laws.
This document uses the numbers given by governments and lays them beside each other.
dobbelu . gunfacts . be
If you find a contrary paper wich mentions its sources please post link.
blork5 3 years ago
i asked you why the uk death by gun figures were so low compared to the U.S and you babbled on about europe so i ask again why according to your figures (which i dissagree with ) are there 3 times as many deaths in the USA as in the UK. I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE USA FIGURES ARE SO HIGH ?
nobbybob 3 years ago
"i asked you why the uk death by gun figures were so low compared to the U.S and you babbled on about europe"
Again check:
w w w . gunfacts . be
There you can find a comparison of GOVERNMENT issued crime figures (with references).
Reason I compared UK with Europe is because the UK is part of Europe and has more in common with Europe then the US. And btw ALL UK crime figures EXCEPT murder are HIGHER than those of the US. So don't tell me the UK has low crime compared to US.
blork5 3 years ago
'does that then mean that there are 60 times as many crazy people in the USA compared to the U.K then ? '
I really wonder where you get that number 60 because in the US there at most 3 times more murders then in the UK. Check your facts.
Btw you are accusing an inanimate object instead of the person who is using it(aka a murder is the guns fault)
If that's true then pens are responsible for faulty spelling. What would you do? Ban pens or teach people spelling?
blork5 3 years ago
LMAO YOU SAY A GUN IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERELY TO FIRE A BULLET ! DO YOU KNOW HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS?? ITS LIKE SAYING A NAIL BOMB IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERLELY TO FIRE A LARGE NUMBER OF NAILS IN DIFERENT DIRECTIONS AT HIGH VELOCITY (THINK ABOUT IT )
oh AND BY THE WAY CARS ARE AN EVERYDAY NECESITY DIFFICULT FOR MOST OF SOCIETY DO DO WITHOUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE -- GUNS ARE MOST DEFINATLY NOT -- SO DRAW ANOTHER ANALOGY PLEASE!
nobbybob 3 years ago
"AND BY THE WAY CARS ARE AN EVERYDAY NECESITY"
Wrong. Cars are considered luxury articles by any standard. Taxation, registration, indexation, etc.
Everyday necessities are food, water an shelter. No more, no less.
blork5 3 years ago
I agree that the design of things like guns, cars, architecture can be altered in order to comply with a particular pre-intended purpose. However the basic design remains unaltered: shooting bullet, spin wheels, resist nature's forces.
blork5 3 years ago
spinning wheels leads to transport , resist natures forces leads to staying safe warm and dry , shooting a bullet leads to death - end of !
nobbybob 3 years ago
"spinning wheels leads to transport , resist natures forces leads to staying safe warm and dry , shooting a bullet leads to death - end of !"
Man you are fucked up. I really hope no one puts a gun into your hand because you only see that it 'must' kill someone without reason.
blork5 3 years ago
one simple question "tell me why the death by gun rate is so high in the USA compared to the UK " and dont babble on about europe and their rates ect to try and avoid answering my very specific question. Those reading this watch him try to squirm his way out of answering, and try to deflect the question onto somthing else anything to avoid the inevitable answer! WHY IS THE USA DEATH BY GUN RATE HIGHER THAN THE UK ?? answer or shut the fuck up!
nobbybob 3 years ago
"WHY IS THE USA DEATH BY GUN RATE HIGHER THAN THE UK"
Main reason: Different culture. A while back a scientific study concluded that american youth, when questioned, prefer violent solutions to problems over more peacefull ones compared to European youth.
Europeans are more peacefull than their cousins on the American continent. Murder rate's on the North and South American continent are ranging from 3(US) to 30(Brazil) times those on the European continent regardless of their strict gunlaws.
blork5 3 years ago
Btw I m afraid that, when looking at things now, the UK is going to become a second Jamaica.
blork5 3 years ago
I forgot to mention Colombia which has a murder rate of 78 per 100 000. This is roughly 60 times the murder rate of Europe. 70% are murdered by firearms. And Colombia has a gun ban.
blork5 3 years ago
Main reason: Different culture. A while back a scientific study concluded that american youth, when questioned, prefer violent solutions to problems over more peacefull ones compared to European youth.
Diferent culture is correct and yours is a culture awash with guns as is brazil regardless of wether they are legal or not the problem is that guns are freely available in your culture, but not here to anything like the same extent hence the difering death by gun rates fact! BAN GUNS NOW
nobbybob 3 years ago
"Diferent culture is correct and yours is a culture awash with guns as is brazil regardless of wether they are legal or not."
First of all I am from Belgium not the US.
Second you say "awash with guns regardless of wether they are legal or not"
And then you say "BAN GUNS NOW"
Don't you see your own contradiction here?
I 'll refrase it to make it better understandable for you: "awash with guns regardless of wether they are BANNED or not."
blork5 3 years ago
People like you should understand that you cannot "un-invent" the gun. Even when you close all the gun-factories in the world there will still be guns because everyone with a garden shed en some tools can make a gun. The simpelest gun to make is a single shot shotgun, second is an automatic shotgun and next is a smg (mac10 or stengun). And with the current proliferation of CNC machinery no gun design is out of reach for the average garden hobbyist.
blork5 3 years ago
And really making your own gun isn't that hard if you know what you are doing and got the right tools. There are some interesting how to video's here on youtube. Check the one where a guy show you how to properly bend a receiver for an ak-47. There are also numerous CNC site's where people machine their own 1911's and ar-15's from bar stock.
blork5 3 years ago
refrase it to make it better understandable for you: "awash with guns regardless of wether they are BANNED or not."
you cant get rid of them UNLESS you make them ilegall FIRST THEN MAYBE ONE DAY THE AMERICAN SIOCIETY WILL NOT BE SO AWASH WITH GUNS
nobbybob 3 years ago
"you cant get rid of them UNLESS you make them ilegall FIRST THEN MAYBE ONE DAY THE AMERICAN SIOCIETY WILL NOT BE SO AWASH WITH GUNS"
You really really don't get it do you? In jamaica ALL guns are BANNED since the 70's. There are now MORE guns then before the ban. Making something illegal DOESN'T make it go away if there is a demand. You probably make it WORSE with a ban. Same with drugs. There have never been more drugs then when they were legal during the 19th century.
blork5 3 years ago
"BAN GUNS NOW"
For your information the UK has banned handguns so there shouldn't be handgun deaths in the UK.
ROFL. :-D
Keep on dreaming fairytales in far far away lands ;-)
blork5 3 years ago
"WHY IS THE USA DEATH BY GUN RATE HIGHER THAN THE UK ??"
I recently found out another reason why the murder numbers are so different from the US. The reason that is is because the UK calculates the murder numbers by actual convictions of murder. Manslaughter and suspicious deaths (no suspect) are not calculated in murder figures. In the US all violent deaths regardless of conviction or suspect are calculated as murder So the UK has an "at least" quote and the US has an "at most" quote on murder
blork5 3 years ago
so tell me which of these can society do without the gun or the car?? pretty easy that one seeing as guns are already illegal here and we manage just fine , but if cars were taken away??
nobbybob 3 years ago
"pretty easy that one seeing as guns are already illegal here and we manage just fine"
ROFL
again check:
w w w . gunfacts . be
blork5 3 years ago
ok lets put it this way --for a modern society to exist transport IS a necisity- guns are not!
nobbybob 3 years ago
'ok lets put it this way --for a modern society to exist transport IS a necisity- guns are not!'
Bullshit. A city here in Belgium called Hasselt has largely banned its car traffic out of its city. Public transportation is free and many people use bycicles. Some villages in the Netherlands have banned cars almost completely. Only 2 in 10 families there own a car. So your arguement about 'necessety' is bullshit. Just like guns and all the rest are NOT necessities. Only food, water, shelter.
blork5 3 years ago
"LMAO YOU SAY A GUN IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERELY TO FIRE A BULLET"
Again design and purpose are two completely different things. (I think you are playin deaf on purpose ;-)). For example I am an architecture student. A buildings design and construction is to withstand gravity and other forces. It's purpose is to either house people, house a firm or just show of its particular form. Buildings can also change purpose just like anything else.
blork5 3 years ago
and what amazing purpose does shooting a bullet serve that we simply cant do without ??
nobbybob 3 years ago
"and what amazing purpose does shooting a bullet serve that we simply cant do without ??"
No purpose we can't do without. Again food, water, shelter.
Purposes can be entertainment, self defence.....
Self defence can however be a very important purpose. But again pointy sticks can also provide self defence, but i don't see many criminals carrying pointy sticks. So why can't we equal the fight?
blork5 3 years ago
"ITS LIKE SAYING A NAIL BOMB IS NOT DESIEGNED TO KILL BUT MERLELY TO FIRE A LARGE NUMBER OF NAILS IN DIFERENT DIRECTIONS AT HIGH VELOCITY"
Do you know Salvator Dali. He used a nail bomb or nail shooting gun (don't remember well which one he used) to make a particular series of paintings. And yes a nail bomb is designed to fire nails at velocity. Only difference is for what purpose you use it. Killing or something else.
blork5 3 years ago
so what else can a nail bomb be used for ??
nobbybob 3 years ago
nobbybob. if you are consistent with what you are saying here you shouldn't use anything that has been "designed" for killing or military purposes including hammers, knives, axes, bows, airplanes, gps(US military satelites), fertilizers(nitrates aka high explosives), internet(US military servers), encryption(enigma), electricity from nuclear plants(A-bomb), highways(nazi-germany), fireworks(chinese warfare), telegram(US civil war), wireless transmition(WWI) and many more.
blork5 3 years ago
grow up
nobbybob 3 years ago
We're not an 'anti gun lobby', and don't wish to spoil it for genuine gun collectors and hobbyists and sportspeople and hunters.
The bad people with guns in Liverpool are involved in drug capers.
We're not looking for some pensioner with a service revolver to be jailed.
Liverpool has agreed that WE want 10 years for the people with the guns. This will mean that anyone threatened by the gangs to hold guns in storage will be able to say NO.
liverpooltimes 4 years ago
"and don't wish to spoil it for genuine gun collectors and hobbyists and sportspeople and hunters."
Euhm you already have. Uk pistolshooters have to train abroad on the continent (France Switzerland) because they would be illegal on british soil.
blork5 4 years ago
"We're not looking for some pensioner with a service revolver to be jailed."
Sorry but they are. Last time I checked someone was jailed for four years because he had an old .455 webley service revolver hanging on his wall. Some copper saw it hanging during a house visit (and btw .455 webley ammo isn't made anymore so you can't even fire the damn thing)
If you are interested I will send the link to the article
blork5 4 years ago
Thinking that criminals won't have guns when you ban them is a logical falacy
I hope you are not that stupid in believing such a thing because a sub machine gun is one of the most simpel guns you can make in your back garden.
Everyone with a hand file, drill and welding tool can make a full automatic smg in his back garden. Plans for some of them (including the british stengun(marvel of low tech engineering) and mac 10) are floating the internet
And if you wonder how easy
watch?v=Ma7GL9q6z90
blork5 4 years ago
'This will mean that anyone threatened by the gangs to hold guns in storage will be able to say NO'
Btw I like to hear you say NO at gunpoint. ;-)
blork5 4 years ago
'This will mean that anyone threatened by the gangs to hold guns in storage will be able to say NO'
The only possible way you can say NO is by having a loaded gun yourself.
blork5 4 years ago
It was not the gun that killed reece it was a liverpool gangster criminal who got the gun regardless of your antigun campaigning you have introduced every law under the sun but it still hasn't stopped the deaths surley you see that more gun laws aren't the ansewer because you said yourself the deaths regarding guns have increased but perhaps lives could be saved if you had a right to bear arms join my orginization THE BRITISH FIREARMS ASSOCIATION we will help innocent citizen defend themselves
shotgunwagonbum 4 years ago
Fuck, these anti gun lobbies ruined the sport of airsoft and airsoft gun collectors like myself. These are toys we are talking about not real guns I don't even want a real gun.
disturbedNBK 4 years ago
very sad but we need to put more guns in the hands of good people to prevent these types of crimes from happened
kalzx 4 years ago
With you 100% and now more then ever in the UK.
Were fighting hard here in Canada so we dont end up in the same boat.
These people pushing and alowing these anti laws in this fashion realy need to give there head a shake.
ItsKKs 4 years ago
To be short: The UK is now a freehaven for those who make a living "the other way".
The police is insufficient and the general public is defenseless.
blork5 4 years ago
Guns should be legal in united kindom it hell where i live we need to be able to protect our selfs though am clever enough to ignore the laws and protect my self hell if i need to shoot to protect someone or my self i will shoot
SaintsrowHurley 4 years ago
It's hell ye so try n get yourself out, get out of Liverpool altoghether if y have to, loads get out, u were a dick to get yourself trapped in in the first place. I know you're intelligent enough to know tho that if you stay in y gang you'll end up dead, locked up or a failure. Want that or would y rather have mates who have as much of a buzz n are just as loyal to eachother outside.
tru3r0ll3r 4 years ago
yea fukin games dont count u prik lol fukin net poser u dont come on a memoreal for rhys pretendin to be hard ur a fukin knob jus get bak on ur 360 u gimp
W3B5TA 4 years ago
Blork - You can never make an argument for legalising handguns and automatic weapons in the UK. No one apart from the police and armed services need them. The ban was for handguns and automatic weapons. Given we have no lions or tigers in the countryside, a .22 rifle or a shotgun will suffice for any Englishman. Making something illegal does not it attractive.
liverpooltimes 4 years ago
Mark my words, in two or three years .22 rifles and shotguns will be banned in the UK. Again using the same phrases "noone really needs them" "guns are a menace to society".
Agreed u have no lions or tigers but apparently you have a lot of critters of the two legged variety ;).
blork5 4 years ago
'Making something illegal does not it attractive'
Hmmmm apparently you don't know much about psychology so let me explain. In a population there is always a certain amount of people who are attracted to illegal things. No matter how no matter what they MUST have that BECAUSE it is illegal. Most notorious example Eve and the apple. Best UK example CB radio's. Prohibited before 1980 (everyone had to have one those days). Legalized thereafter (no one cared anymore and sales dropped dramatically)
blork5 4 years ago
Reason why they want something illegal can be:
-They want to find out what the fuss about this forbidden fruit really is.
-They want to be different from the flock and see this illegal thing as a prolongiation of their deviant lifestyle. They want to distinguis themselves from ordinary society and form their own. They use codes and things that are considered "shocking" and "illegal" by ordinary society. Remember the Punk scene in the 80's. And look at the Gangsta scene now. (see next comment)
blork5 4 years ago
blork5 4 years ago
I don't blame the government. I believe they can do more to prevent this shit but I don't believe that youngsters can't think for themselves.
Xbulelo 4 years ago
rip little man
bigbadmob 4 years ago 2
SCE2AUX - Actually, the ban on handguns and automatic weapons does have its benefits in the UK. We rarely have pupils shooting dead 33 classmates & shopping 'malls' are free from disaffected gun carrying people, going through a 'bad phase'. So, yes, it helps a little to stop our police signing gun licenses for people who murder 16 children and the teacher in the local primary school. (Dunblane 96 RIP)
liverpooltimes 4 years ago
LoL I don't get it. You are saying that the UK gun law has it's benifits although in your video you state that 10 people are wounded or killed by guns EVERY DAY. I don't really classify that as a succesfull law.
blork5 4 years ago
So comparing the US with the UK. People will blow each others brains out with or without gun laws. Simple. I even think that the UK with gun laws has an even bigger problem than the US because when guns are illegal, illegal guns will find their way to young children much easier. A illegal gundealer doesn't ask for ID a legal gunshop does.
blork5 4 years ago
It is also know that when you make something illegal the black market on that particular illegal thing explodes. A good example was the prohibition in the US in the 30's. Other good examples are drugs.
Another phenomena is that people are always attracted to things that are forbidden. When it is legal no one cares, when it is illegal it gets attractive.
blork5 4 years ago
I even bet that when they make guns legal to own and carry the gangsta's interest in guns would drop because it's not cool or illegal or anything else anymore because everyone can do it. Carrying a gun loses it's gangsta factor when it becomes legal. LOL
blork5 4 years ago
Btw the gangsta way of life would become much more dangerous when they allow normal people to carry a gun. Try robbing an armed victim without getting your brains blown out.
blork5 4 years ago
And in case you should wonder. I was a former anti-gun supporter. But studying the matter in depth with the REAL figures (police statistics and scientific analyses) and NOT the emotionally colored and cherry picked figures presented by the media.
blork5 4 years ago
You idiot. When gun's are legal, and illegal gun owner can still sell them to kids. What the fuck are you talking about? The death or murder ratio, not rate, RATIO - confirms that the USA has a higher crime / murder rate.
Xbulelo 4 years ago
"When gun's are legal, and illegal gun owner can still sell them to kids."
Indeed. But WHY are kids buying guns?
One of the reasons I gave was that they buy them BECAUSE they are illegal. If you legalize them you take away this ILLEGAL attraction of them.
Same reason for XTC and other drugs. Many start with it BECAUSE they want to do something illegal and say a big "FUCK U" to the establishment and society.
Ps: In Switzerland every household has an automatic machinegun. Check their murder rate
blork5 4 years ago
"Indeed. But WHY are kids buying guns?"
I assume kids are buying guns because they're not only easily accessible, but fairly cheap.
Also, some kids feel as though it's the only way out. They may buy guns to be rebellious but I fairly doubt that. It's generic to say such things. Any straight minded person knows not to buy a gun. People without values would purchase a gun.
Xbulelo 4 years ago
"I assume kids are buying guns because they're not only easily accessible, but fairly cheap."
And guess why they are cheap and easily accesible. It's the law of the free market. Kids want guns BECAUSE they are illegal (this is the demand). Illegal gun dealers recognize this demand and provide merchandise (they see profit). In the beginning there is high demand but low offer so the price is high. But eventually as more and more guns enter the black market they become cheaper and cheaper.
blork5 4 years ago
It's not because they're illegal at all LOL.
Xbulelo 4 years ago
So in a sence cheap illegal guns are a sign on the wall. aka: it's gonna get worse.
Little side note: Legal guns generally have a fixed price. And I don't know much teenagers with a spare 1000€ for a Smith&Wesson or 1500 or more for a good 1911 (even if, they can't get a permit for it).
But they can get an illegal kalasjnikov for the price of an mp3 player 100€
"People without values would purchase a gun."
Hmmmmm. A little over the top don't you agree. According to you I have no values :p.
blork5 4 years ago
Well, why buy a gun? I'm talking for those who carry it on the streets, bullying people or intimidating them - ridiculous.
Xbulelo 4 years ago
"bullying people or intimidating them - ridiculous."
LoL. Intimidation is just the whole point for a robber.
Have you ever encountered a robber who gently asks if you would like to give him your wallet if it is not too much trouble. ROFL
You make it sound like some new goofy trend among criminals.
blork5 4 years ago
All a person has to do is flash a gun in their wasteband and that's you scared.
Xbulelo 4 years ago
"All a person has to do is flash a gun in their wasteband and that's you scared."
Yeah and your point being......... ??????
Banning handguns for citizen's won't get you scared when a criminal flashes a gun at you or something??????
I am guessing here so please inform me.
blork5 4 years ago
"They may buy guns to be rebellious but I fairly doubt that. It's generic to say such things."
If you have a better explenation why illegal guns increased after the handgun ban feel free to post it.
The things they are now pointing fingers to existed before and after the ban.
Guns existed before and after.
Gangs and their violent culture existed before and after.
Rap and other music existed before and after.
Drugs existed before and after.
Games existed before and after.
Only Change...........
blork5 4 years ago
R.I.P RHYS JONES
trixibell1990 4 years ago 3
Yeah, that 1997 handgun ban is really working well, isn't it?
SCE2AUX 4 years ago 3
Its time for the people of Liverpool to dish out their own justice. A public hanging again in Croxteth Park by the public, for the public.
Get the scum off the streets. If they want to play with guns then send them to Afghanistan with the real men. RIP young Rhys. our children deserve better than this. Id like to be proud to be a Merseysider again.
Redwooleyback 4 years ago 2
(cont)
So on Saturday nite when you are having a little snort THINK!!!! how many bullets you have contributed too for the Taliban to aimed at our boys, who are fighting a WAR, a war for your future and your childrens.
007mia07 4 years ago
Most of the gun crime in England is down to Drug wars! 90% of cocaine on English streets is from Afganistan....Us Brits are paying for the arms n ammunition for the likes of the Taliban and other individual groups known as AL-QUADER, to use on BRITISH SOILDERS over in Afganistan and Iraq!!!
So although you think that being at home the middle east has or is no concern of yours, you do not realise that you are playing a very large role when you buy cocaine.
007mia07 4 years ago
Gee gun control sure made England safer didn't it? Your gun crimes are rising despite the fact guns were banned. Now you've created a safe working environment for criminals by banning guns by law abiding citizens, congratulations.
PILMAN 4 years ago
I'm gona argue against that... I'm actually really annoyed at that comment! if fyou think it's just in Liverpool then open your eyes you prick. I'm from liverpool myself an yer that does happen IN SOME AREAS, not ALL OF LIVERPOOL... and it happens in a lot of other places as well.
Allerno 4 years ago
Why do people in Liverpool turn a blind eye to what their children do? They DO know what they're up to as most follow the example set by their parents. Parents and neighbours should STOP turning a blind eye and contact police.
urbex2007 4 years ago
I'm gona argue against that... I'm actually really annoyed at that comment! if fyou think it's just in Liverpool then open your eyes you prick. I'm from liverpool myself an yer that does happen IN SOME AREAS, not ALL OF LIVERPOOL... and it happens in a lot of other places as well.
Allerno 4 years ago
because there fools
rudegirl992003 4 years ago