i say every body do there taxes so that you have to pay at the end of the year and then every body just dont pay what would the IRS do they wouldn't know where to start
Ask any MD in the country how they like the new law. Better yet- ask how they like having Medicare pay only 80% of the bill. Good luck even finding an MD in 2 years.
Please YouTube / Google Clift for congress He is a true liberty candidate running for the House of Representatives in California CD10. He is running against John Garamendi the deciding vote for Obama care. Thats C L I F T for congress.
Obama care would be great if it worked but let's face it, it won't work as promised and will further bankrupt the country. See also Fairfield CA Town Hall John Garamendi
@RicardoClaro What do you mean? When talking about government, rights are yours just by being alive, not given by government, privileges are what is given to you by government.
A product can also be necessary to survive, but it's still a product. What does that mean? It depends on how it's delivered, either through a market system or through a centrally planned system. Prices are determined by supply and demand or through price-fixed control. Which is more EFFICIENT at delivering these necessary products, THAT IS THE QUESTION. Saying otherwise is dishonest and misses the point.
Thanks for your candid information. You are right, it doesn't take a genius to figure out this this thing is against everything our founding fathers stood for. From the inception to its signing. Whomever voted for this, and the President when he signed it should be ashamed.
But....then again, they don't work for us anymore....do they.....
Healthcare is NOT a product. Healthcare is a NECESSITY.
I agree with everything else. But the reason for America's miserable state of medical affairs is solely due to the corporate takeover of hospitalization and medicine. What Dr. Paul fails to legitimize is Austria's National Healthcare System.
@katey1dog - Of course it's a necessity. And it's a product. It's a necessary product. Like food or a place to live. And what about clothes? Would't you say they're not necessary? Food in my opinion is even more necessary to survive than helthcare, so why don't we create a foodcare for everybody? I''l tell you why - because everybody would starve to death in few conscutive months.
A place to live and food are NECESSITIES. Not products. Good housing is necessary as well as food. Without which we ALL suffer. Now, eating out at a posh restaurant or owning a mansion, are products for the well-to-do. Because, they can afford it.
Food is more necessary than healthcare? Both balance each other. Because if we are unable to eat because of a malady, then healthcare is required, or you may want to consult a mortician.
You miss my point here - I agree they are necessities. As many other things are. But the thing is, all of them must be first PRODUCED, therefore the'yre products. Yes, it goes as well for the healthcare - hospitals and drugs don't grow on trees, and doctors don't work for free. My question is - would you like the goverment to decide which product is a necessity and which isn't, so they can with all their might and goodwilliness "provide" those chosen ones for the stupid people?
@katey1dog Relevant. When something to come to existance needs to be produced first, some people get the crazy idea to call it a "product." But not every of them, thank God. A product which you need to buy if you seek to posses it. That's exactly the case here: either you buy healthcare or someone buys it for you. That are the taxpayers in a wealth-distributing state (not to use the s-word). That's why I used quotation marks on the word "provide" in the other post.
Relevant. When something to come to existance needs to be produced first
You mean like an M1A2 Abrams MBT? You know, I'll never buy one personally, but I do like the fact that our tax dollars payed for them. It's alot like a single-payer healthcare system. We may not always need it, BUT I'LL BE GLAD WHEN I DO!
That's exactly the case here: either you buy healthcare or someone buys it for you.
@yetanother0user My question is - would you like the goverment to decide which product is a necessity and which isn't, so they can with all their might and goodwilliness "provide" those chosen ones for the stupid people?
Provide those chosen ones for the stupid people? Pardon me for saying, but I'd pay for your healthcare. Even though the question makes ZERO sense.
Under a single-payer program, all citizens regardless of economic class could obtain healthcare.
@katey1dog Are you talking about the words "general welfare"? That is just the introduction to the Constitution. General welfare means good for the whole country. Forcing everyone to pay more tax so that a few get free health care isn't good for everyone, in fact that's the opposite of general welfare. In addition to everyone being forced to pay for a few people's health care, they are forced to buy their own health care or be tormented by the IRS. That doesn't sound good to me at all.
You mean, oh, let's say, a single-payer healthcare system guaranteeing Americans the freedom to enter a hospital, a doctor's office, a pharmacy, without the exhorbitants costs of insurance?
How about the freedom to live without fear? There are millions of Americans now, whom can not afford healthcare and therefore do not have it. But what about the people that do have insurance and are denied care?
@katey1dog I absolutely don't mean that at all. I mean the government not giving anyone anything, because everyone can't live at the expense of everyone else. Equality is a myth. Most of the power needs to be in the hands of individuals. The government's only job should be to maintain freedom and punish actual crimes, that's it. People left to their own devices will flourish and achieve prosperity, not self-destruct.
Listen, now you're drifting off into something is ambiguous, government spending. The government is OBLIGATED to provide everything from law enforcement to meter maids. I've got my problems with both, but then again, there is a need for certain programs which are non-profit, yet benefit the body politic. Road construction/maintenance, bridge construction/maintenance, the military, NASA, medicare/aid, etc.
@katey1dog The reason people can't afford health care or an insurance policy from an insurance corporaiton is because government has outlawed the less expensive forms of health care for the benefit of the health care industry. Things have gotten so far out of whack that people think health care and an insurance policy are one in the same. We need to brings back competition and let the market provide difference levels of care for different budgets.
The reason people can't afford health care or an insurance policy from an insurance corporaiton is because government has outlawed the less expensive forms of health care for the benefit of the health care industry.
AND GUESS WHOM SUPPLIED THE LOBBYISTS FOR THAT!!! THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES!!!
Wouldn't have that problem with a National Health Service. Albeit people would have the freedom of their own policy, if wanted.
A single-payer healthcare system modeled after the Canadian system would be QUITE beneficial for the whole country.
Forcing everyone to pay more tax so that a few get free health care isn't good for everyone,
Firstly, I'll gladly pay taxes to provide my countrymen access to free medical care. Secondly, the United States currently spends 40 billion in healthcare which is more or less a forced corporate taxation.
@katey1dog The preamble also says, "promote" the general welfare, not "force".
I'm very offended you would volunteer me to pay the same taxes you want to cheerfully pay for the "greater good". It's called the "greater good" because your doing evil to achieve it. It results in more bad stuff happening.
By the way, there is no such thing as "society", there are only individuals.
In addition to everyone being forced to pay for a few people's health care, they are forced to buy their own health care or be tormented by the IRS.
We are already forced to pay some level of taxation. Federal, state, county, and city taxes. Now, I'm not fan of the income tax. But I am in favor of a FLAT TAX and the elimination of the IRS. A single-payer system needn't an IRS to exist.
@katey1dog Your exception doesn't change the point I was making. The government doesn't have anything to give that it hasn't first taken from another. That which a person receives without labor, another bust labor without receiving.
The government doesn't have anything to give that it hasn't first taken from another.
That's taxation.
That which a person receives without labor, another bust labor without receiving.
You lost me :-/. If you can't give a fair enough reason why National Health Care is wrong, then stop arguing. Because you haven't proven your point. And if you've got no point, then we're finished.
@katey1dog First what you're hoping for is against the Constitution. By your reasoning, more pressing needs like food and housing should be guaranteed by the federal government before medical care. They tried guaranteeing all that stuff, and the place collapsed, it was called the USSR. It takes away people's incentive to work when they feel like at the very least, they have their basics covered. You're basically arguing to discard our capitalist system, that's a pretty big change.
First what you're hoping for is against the Constitution.
Where is it written in the CONSTITUTION which openly states the notion that National Health Care is in some way flawed or illegal? Especially when there are millions of Americans that take advantage of Medicare and Medicaid every day? They tried guaranteeing all that stuff, and the place collapsed, it was called the USSR.
Uh, Russia still has National Health Care. It's probably the only true benefit.
@katey1dog The Constution was written to specifically innumerate the responsibilities of the federal government. The states had had enough of an central authoritarian control. It says that anything not listed is held by the states and their people. So the constitution talks about a lot of things, for example national defense, but nowhere does it say anything about a national healthcare system. Change the Constitution if you want to live in a country like that. I don't.
@katey1dog Let me help you out Gary. The Constitution spells out what the government can do, health care isn't listed in the powers of the president, Congress or Judicial. The 10th amendment of the Constitution also says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words, what's not in the Constitution, can't be done by the Federal government.
If you have ANY more doubts of the feasibility of a single-payer system, then here are some wonderful nations that accept it: United Kingdom (England, N. Ireland, Wales, Scotland), France, Germany, Canada, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan (ROC), Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, just to name a few.
As would I. But unfortunately, people are becoming more and more trapped. People can no longer afford quitting a job for fear of losing healthcare. Men and women are trapped in a tedious positions at a job which happens to have medical insurance. And most importantly, men and women are losing work and can no longer afford even the cheapest insurance. That creates fear.
And FEAR is NOT freedom. The unemployed as well as the employed would no longer be trapped.
Nothing wrong with free enterprise. That's why I support Dr. Paul. I don't support a welfare state on the scale of the USSR or perhaps even France.
But we need to take these ideas and work with them. Why? BECAUSE THEY WORK. These nations are free countries, perhaps a little to liberal for our American tastes, but they remain free. And when accounting for health and well-being (judging life expectancies of adults and survivability rates of newborns), these nations win.
@yetanother0user Don't even give them the idea of food care! They would feed us only genetically modified food all containing hydrogenated oils and corn syrup.
I like what Ron Paul says about health insurance: It's not a right or a privilege, it's a product like anything else you buy.
@yetanother0user I'm sure, when they run out of real food, so they provide the people cardboard to eat. Keeping freedom is important. Socialism is self-destructive.
@yetanother0user Agreed, people would eat way to much because theres no reprocussions (cost) to being a fatfuck. Its the same reason people who smoke there entire life get lung cancer, want someone else to pay to fix it, and they KEEP SMOKING. CONSIQUENCES AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! That is where morals and common sense are learned!
@katey1dog The corporate take over was empowered by public policy that restricted competition and had everyone get health care through their employer paid insurance.
I agree that you need to free up healthcare by reforming the tax code and getting rid of government granted state monopolies but there needs to be a public option in case someone falls through the cracks.
@bonfirejovi The public option used to be that you would buy the level of medical care you could afford. Today all but the most expensive are declared illegal.
Duh. I don't get it; what is with these people not even reading the damn bills? I wouldn't even have known about this if it weren't for Ron Paul! (Not this particular incident, I mean, the extreme stupidity of Congressmen not even reading the bills they sign.)
Congress is a cesspool of special interests and back door lobbying. The insurance companies own the doctors, and they own a lot of congressmen. It's a gigantic circle jerk that will never end. The people who think Obamacare is designed to benefit the citizenry are beyond foolish. The government is not a benign, paternal organization with the peoples' best interests in mind. It is a racket based on coercive violence. All governments are.
The health care bill is power of the UN. The UN hear the leadership of 129 nation. it a global entity. Serving them self by extracting the wealth and energy from the common man.Since man has transform from work to a product of drugs and doping, the health care will help remove the ones who can not help them self or the banker build the global environment. Care from the un-known is death, cause death it always un-known. Health care is a ticket to a early grave.
i don't understand why they call supporters of dr paul crazy? Everytime i have listened to him he has sounded the same Read the Constitution be it war, healthcare, bailouts ect. i guess in today's congress it is crazy to read the constitution. However healthcare industry does suck and many have ghost pannels but what other option is there? i don't want to add to the size of govt but something does need to be done
Capitalism OR unneeded regulation brought on my corporate communist lobbyists that stifle competition, cause out of control pricing and eventual government intervention that makes absolutely zero sense...
HMMMMM
Seriously, what is it about this country that we are so blind to things like this? What sense does it make that an up and coming insurance company in California can't sell me health insurance here in VA!? Especially in this electronic age, why not!?
@LoryLandskipper well put! I am afraid that most people that I know just want someone else to pay the bill! No one seems to have self respect anymore!
Repeal The Bill it is the worst legislation in History. Our Congress has failed us by not reading bill and rushing them through without debate and understanding each page amendment, regulation, program. We have to pay attention and make Congress do the jobs they were elected for or fire them every 2 years.
I disagree with Dr Paul about "unintended consequences".
This Pelosi congress and Obama administration knew exactly what they were doing to work toward a complete and total government takeover known as single payer. We have lots of video/audio evidence that leave no doubt about their intent.
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This congress has acted as ruling elites and committed treason against the U.S. constitution. I hope I live to see a day when such people are hung from a gallows for their actions.
He isn't Superman, expecting him to go after 9/11 truth when he doesn't have the power to do so is really foolish if not suicidal. And just for the record, I'm not committed either way when it comes to 9/11 truth. I certainly want to know for sure but you first have to get to a position of power without getting tangled on highly questionable issues.
It takes a lot of persistence to endure the amount of bull shit that Ron has had to put up with for so many years being a member of congress. Just one thing after another, over and over and over again. It's just unbelievable the amount of utter bull shit that politicians spew forth. Ron is not really a politician, he's a humanitarian.
the patients were never in control of healthcare and niether were the doctors, they're all vicitims and slaves of the insurance industry just like Ron Paul.
@cowboy1165 I actually know a lot about Ron Paul and the free market. I know ron paul looks out for the billionaires and corporations, allows and even encourages them to exploit and sell out the American people.
Under threat of IMPEACHMENT the deceptive, lying, DemoRepubs will see it OUR WAY. Remember, we allow these deceptions to happen. Thanks, for the information Congressmen PAUL.
So, how will he keep abuse (being dropped for dumb shit, the poor and monoplies) from being formed? I know the business collaborating with the government is one reason they ironically have so much power, because they actually get the regulators to go in their favor. I do see that he wants business and govt. separate because, look where we are. How would he actually keep it accessible so people do not suffer? I did like his idea on if there was a PO there would be a...
Without the regulations on healthcare and insurance, and with no expectations of Too Big To Fail-bailouts, established insurance providers will actually have to start competing with one another, and with upstart firms, to earn the trust of their customers, and doctors will be free to spend most of their time caring for patients, as opposed to filing paperwork.
That's the market solution. Whether Paul would actually be able to effect it is open for debate.
Yeah, a total system like that, would probably take him and another like him ,while holding house majorities to complete, not to mention everything else. I still perfer a PO, with its own tax for those on it, but as long as a Health Company can compete healthily without ridiculous regulations or lobbying, that would be nice..
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Wait, Obama said all these wonderful new benefits would be free? How could he have lied to us so many times over and over to our faces. Didn't he say that the people questioning him were racist? So much for an honest debate.
I happen to support a public option in the current climate if I have to deal with main stream Republicans, however I abandon that if Paul ever gets elected.
When Republicans say "Let the market handle it" it means status-quo keeping every regulation and law that drives the price up and making sure big pharma can price gouge and guard their status.
When Ron Paul says it means doing away with all the red tape and really letting the market handle it which is a world of difference.
Anyone know where I can find Ron Paul's views on Health Care reform? I do not like Obamacare yet I believe that we need something. For example, people with pre-existing conditions can't get health care. People who have been paying their premium get dropped when they need their insurance the most.
mainly is to get govt out of the way: $50% of healthcare dollars spent come from govt programs, insurance companies cant compete across state lines, states mandate too much coverage. Another problem is the tax breaks given to employers who give their health insurance to employees, this creates the insurance link with your job that is not portable if you leave that job. If you give the individual the same tax break the employer gets then insurance will become portable again.
Ron Paul's a free market advocate and it would be easy to hate his ideas on health care on the surface and would be horrible in the current climate.
However philosophically Ron Paul is against requiring prescriptions, get rid of the $300 gate keeper to buy a bottle of penicillin and you solve a lot of the problem right there.
Most of Paul's policy objectives are based in economics, and you would have to look at a much larger picture to not dismiss his health care idea's as pharma-shillery.
@satarnag I don't know exactly what what Dr Paul's health Care system would look like but I do know that If Doctors and Patients controlled the Health care Program im pretty sure The American People and the Doctors would would want people with Pre-existing conditions to have insurance. I totally believe that Free market is the way, If health insurance companies compete like Car companies do and so forth people can buy a plan for something they like based on Transparent specs.
@vigorosoPIMPJr The insurance companies don't want to insure people with pre-existing conditions. If I had diabetes and lost my job, who will insure me so I can afford doctor visits and my prescriptions?
@satarnag well under the new health care plan you can...but even then Health care has never been Free Market... if the People and Docs controlled the health insurance and there was FREE MARKET then Market could compete... meaning you could buy a plan from a Health company that does accept pre- excising conditions
Honestly, I think the government is just plain retarded. There's no BIG conspiracy, though there are plenty of small ones, and the healthcare bill proves it. How can Congress be so incompetent? These morons can't even understand basic economics! How do you expect an expensive product to become cheaper after maximizing the demand!? Without legalizing competition!? This bill is doomed to fail, and the dollar along with it. Globalization is failing.
Wait, now you guys are all intelligent here, well most. I know Ron Paul is against single payer, but exactly what does HE want to do with healthcare? I think I am not understanding him properly so someone explain to me in your most down-syndrome vocabulary what his plan is. I am a Public Option guy personally, and supported HR 3200. I do like a lot of RP's ideas.
@gotama420 he should've been more responsible, I'll give you that. Well I'm moving on, got more vids to watch. I'm glad you like his positive messages at least.
@gotama420 I understand, and it's a good argument, I just have a hard time believing the guy is racist, it contradicts nearly everything he says for him to be racist. Of course you can believe whatever you want and if I felt he was racist I wouldn't like him very much either, but I agree with him politically and I feel he's only having this racist light shed on him to discredit his very good ideas of small government and conservative spending.
@gotama420 I assume you're refering to the newsletters...the only thing those newsletters prove is that someone that may or may not have been Ron Paul posted rascist comments on his site. There's no way to really prove it was him and there's no way to prove he supported it. Also it's very intresting that a bunch of 20-Year-Old racist letters from Ron Paul did not get reported on until he started running for president. Why wasn't that reported on sooner if it was so important to tell people?
i say every body do there taxes so that you have to pay at the end of the year and then every body just dont pay what would the IRS do they wouldn't know where to start
ecosby100 1 year ago
Ron Paul is the last Jedi left in the Republic. I want to be a padawan!
TreachMarkets 1 year ago
Ask any MD in the country how they like the new law. Better yet- ask how they like having Medicare pay only 80% of the bill. Good luck even finding an MD in 2 years.
KillBaddBugz 1 year ago
Please YouTube / Google Clift for congress He is a true liberty candidate running for the House of Representatives in California CD10. He is running against John Garamendi the deciding vote for Obama care. Thats C L I F T for congress.
Obama care would be great if it worked but let's face it, it won't work as promised and will further bankrupt the country. See also Fairfield CA Town Hall John Garamendi
DaveTammy1 1 year ago
Ron Paul = win
DylanGHart92648 1 year ago
@RicardoClaro What do you mean? When talking about government, rights are yours just by being alive, not given by government, privileges are what is given to you by government.
YoDudeRock 1 year ago
I regret that I have but one thumbs-up to give for my country. Go Ron!
PistolPackingPatriot 1 year ago
A product can also be necessary to survive, but it's still a product. What does that mean? It depends on how it's delivered, either through a market system or through a centrally planned system. Prices are determined by supply and demand or through price-fixed control. Which is more EFFICIENT at delivering these necessary products, THAT IS THE QUESTION. Saying otherwise is dishonest and misses the point.
adamhaye 1 year ago
These gangsters in govt do not deserve to breathe our air, so we must forbid it, physically!
mmaaxx1198 1 year ago
Ron,
Thanks for your candid information. You are right, it doesn't take a genius to figure out this this thing is against everything our founding fathers stood for. From the inception to its signing. Whomever voted for this, and the President when he signed it should be ashamed.
But....then again, they don't work for us anymore....do they.....
meisterjm 1 year ago
Please run for president Mr. Paul. You have mine and my entire families vote.
theunknowncove 1 year ago 2
This is where I disagree with Dr. Paul.
Healthcare is NOT a product. Healthcare is a NECESSITY.
I agree with everything else. But the reason for America's miserable state of medical affairs is solely due to the corporate takeover of hospitalization and medicine. What Dr. Paul fails to legitimize is Austria's National Healthcare System.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog - Of course it's a necessity. And it's a product. It's a necessary product. Like food or a place to live. And what about clothes? Would't you say they're not necessary? Food in my opinion is even more necessary to survive than helthcare, so why don't we create a foodcare for everybody? I''l tell you why - because everybody would starve to death in few conscutive months.
yetanother0user 1 year ago 8
@yetanother0user
A place to live and food are NECESSITIES. Not products. Good housing is necessary as well as food. Without which we ALL suffer. Now, eating out at a posh restaurant or owning a mansion, are products for the well-to-do. Because, they can afford it.
Food is more necessary than healthcare? Both balance each other. Because if we are unable to eat because of a malady, then healthcare is required, or you may want to consult a mortician.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog
You miss my point here - I agree they are necessities. As many other things are. But the thing is, all of them must be first PRODUCED, therefore the'yre products. Yes, it goes as well for the healthcare - hospitals and drugs don't grow on trees, and doctors don't work for free. My question is - would you like the goverment to decide which product is a necessity and which isn't, so they can with all their might and goodwilliness "provide" those chosen ones for the stupid people?
yetanother0user 1 year ago
@yetanother0user
You miss my point here.
Because you agreed with me here...
I agree they are necessities
katey1dog 1 year ago
@yetanother0user
First they must be produced? Irrelevant. Especially when a defibrillator is not sold openly at your local RADIOSHACK.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog Relevant. When something to come to existance needs to be produced first, some people get the crazy idea to call it a "product." But not every of them, thank God. A product which you need to buy if you seek to posses it. That's exactly the case here: either you buy healthcare or someone buys it for you. That are the taxpayers in a wealth-distributing state (not to use the s-word). That's why I used quotation marks on the word "provide" in the other post.
yetanother0user 1 year ago
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Relevant. When something to come to existance needs to be produced first
You mean like an M1A2 Abrams MBT? You know, I'll never buy one personally, but I do like the fact that our tax dollars payed for them. It's alot like a single-payer healthcare system. We may not always need it, BUT I'LL BE GLAD WHEN I DO!
That's exactly the case here: either you buy healthcare or someone buys it for you.
I'd GLADLY pay for your healthcare if I could.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@yetanother0user My question is - would you like the goverment to decide which product is a necessity and which isn't, so they can with all their might and goodwilliness "provide" those chosen ones for the stupid people?
Provide those chosen ones for the stupid people? Pardon me for saying, but I'd pay for your healthcare. Even though the question makes ZERO sense.
Under a single-payer program, all citizens regardless of economic class could obtain healthcare.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog It's not the governments job to provide for or shelter either.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
Read the PREAMBLE to the CONSTITUTION.
Besides, we already have national health for soldiers/veterans, prisoners, and government laborers: police, fire, park rangers etc.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog Are you talking about the words "general welfare"? That is just the introduction to the Constitution. General welfare means good for the whole country. Forcing everyone to pay more tax so that a few get free health care isn't good for everyone, in fact that's the opposite of general welfare. In addition to everyone being forced to pay for a few people's health care, they are forced to buy their own health care or be tormented by the IRS. That doesn't sound good to me at all.
YoDudeRock 1 year ago
@YoDudeRock
General welfare means good for the whole country.
You mean, oh, let's say, a single-payer healthcare system guaranteeing Americans the freedom to enter a hospital, a doctor's office, a pharmacy, without the exhorbitants costs of insurance?
How about the freedom to live without fear? There are millions of Americans now, whom can not afford healthcare and therefore do not have it. But what about the people that do have insurance and are denied care?
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog I absolutely don't mean that at all. I mean the government not giving anyone anything, because everyone can't live at the expense of everyone else. Equality is a myth. Most of the power needs to be in the hands of individuals. The government's only job should be to maintain freedom and punish actual crimes, that's it. People left to their own devices will flourish and achieve prosperity, not self-destruct.
YoDudeRock 1 year ago
@YoDudeRock
I mean the government not giving anyone anything,
Listen, now you're drifting off into something is ambiguous, government spending. The government is OBLIGATED to provide everything from law enforcement to meter maids. I've got my problems with both, but then again, there is a need for certain programs which are non-profit, yet benefit the body politic. Road construction/maintenance, bridge construction/maintenance, the military, NASA, medicare/aid, etc.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog The reason people can't afford health care or an insurance policy from an insurance corporaiton is because government has outlawed the less expensive forms of health care for the benefit of the health care industry. Things have gotten so far out of whack that people think health care and an insurance policy are one in the same. We need to brings back competition and let the market provide difference levels of care for different budgets.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
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@GaryVolts
The reason people can't afford health care or an insurance policy from an insurance corporaiton is because government has outlawed the less expensive forms of health care for the benefit of the health care industry.
AND GUESS WHOM SUPPLIED THE LOBBYISTS FOR THAT!!! THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES!!!
Wouldn't have that problem with a National Health Service. Albeit people would have the freedom of their own policy, if wanted.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@YoDudeRock
General welfare means good for the whole country.
A single-payer healthcare system modeled after the Canadian system would be QUITE beneficial for the whole country.
Forcing everyone to pay more tax so that a few get free health care isn't good for everyone,
Firstly, I'll gladly pay taxes to provide my countrymen access to free medical care. Secondly, the United States currently spends 40 billion in healthcare which is more or less a forced corporate taxation.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog The preamble also says, "promote" the general welfare, not "force".
I'm very offended you would volunteer me to pay the same taxes you want to cheerfully pay for the "greater good". It's called the "greater good" because your doing evil to achieve it. It results in more bad stuff happening.
By the way, there is no such thing as "society", there are only individuals.
YoDudeRock 1 year ago
@YoDudeRock
In addition to everyone being forced to pay for a few people's health care, they are forced to buy their own health care or be tormented by the IRS.
We are already forced to pay some level of taxation. Federal, state, county, and city taxes. Now, I'm not fan of the income tax. But I am in favor of a FLAT TAX and the elimination of the IRS. A single-payer system needn't an IRS to exist.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog I have read it, I have a framed replica in my dining room. It doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.
We do have socialized medicine for some of the groups you listed, and this is just as wrong and should take steps to undo past mistakes.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
No, but the government does provide shelter that are paid employees of the federal, state, county, and cities.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog I'm not sure if I understand what you wrote. Can you put it another way?
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
Put simply, the government currently houses 2 million convicts. As your comment stated, it isn't the role of government to house people.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog Your exception doesn't change the point I was making. The government doesn't have anything to give that it hasn't first taken from another. That which a person receives without labor, another bust labor without receiving.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
You have no point.
The government doesn't have anything to give that it hasn't first taken from another.
That's taxation.
That which a person receives without labor, another bust labor without receiving.
You lost me :-/. If you can't give a fair enough reason why National Health Care is wrong, then stop arguing. Because you haven't proven your point. And if you've got no point, then we're finished.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog First what you're hoping for is against the Constitution. By your reasoning, more pressing needs like food and housing should be guaranteed by the federal government before medical care. They tried guaranteeing all that stuff, and the place collapsed, it was called the USSR. It takes away people's incentive to work when they feel like at the very least, they have their basics covered. You're basically arguing to discard our capitalist system, that's a pretty big change.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
First what you're hoping for is against the Constitution.
Where is it written in the CONSTITUTION which openly states the notion that National Health Care is in some way flawed or illegal? Especially when there are millions of Americans that take advantage of Medicare and Medicaid every day? They tried guaranteeing all that stuff, and the place collapsed, it was called the USSR.
Uh, Russia still has National Health Care. It's probably the only true benefit.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog The Constution was written to specifically innumerate the responsibilities of the federal government. The states had had enough of an central authoritarian control. It says that anything not listed is held by the states and their people. So the constitution talks about a lot of things, for example national defense, but nowhere does it say anything about a national healthcare system. Change the Constitution if you want to live in a country like that. I don't.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@katey1dog Let me help you out Gary. The Constitution spells out what the government can do, health care isn't listed in the powers of the president, Congress or Judicial. The 10th amendment of the Constitution also says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words, what's not in the Constitution, can't be done by the Federal government.
YoDudeRock 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
If you have ANY more doubts of the feasibility of a single-payer system, then here are some wonderful nations that accept it: United Kingdom (England, N. Ireland, Wales, Scotland), France, Germany, Canada, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan (ROC), Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, just to name a few.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog There are lots of different ways to live, I happen to like our free enterprise system and the freedoms we enjoy in this country.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
As would I. But unfortunately, people are becoming more and more trapped. People can no longer afford quitting a job for fear of losing healthcare. Men and women are trapped in a tedious positions at a job which happens to have medical insurance. And most importantly, men and women are losing work and can no longer afford even the cheapest insurance. That creates fear.
And FEAR is NOT freedom. The unemployed as well as the employed would no longer be trapped.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@GaryVolts
Nothing wrong with free enterprise. That's why I support Dr. Paul. I don't support a welfare state on the scale of the USSR or perhaps even France.
But we need to take these ideas and work with them. Why? BECAUSE THEY WORK. These nations are free countries, perhaps a little to liberal for our American tastes, but they remain free. And when accounting for health and well-being (judging life expectancies of adults and survivability rates of newborns), these nations win.
katey1dog 1 year ago 5
@yetanother0user I like that: a national Foodcare system!
GaryVolts 1 year ago
@yetanother0user Don't even give them the idea of food care! They would feed us only genetically modified food all containing hydrogenated oils and corn syrup.
I like what Ron Paul says about health insurance: It's not a right or a privilege, it's a product like anything else you buy.
YoDudeRock 1 year ago
@YoDudeRock Judging by the polish healthcare system that would be the case only if they actually happened to feed anyone.
yetanother0user 1 year ago
@yetanother0user I'm sure, when they run out of real food, so they provide the people cardboard to eat. Keeping freedom is important. Socialism is self-destructive.
YoDudeRock 1 year ago
@yetanother0user Agreed, people would eat way to much because theres no reprocussions (cost) to being a fatfuck. Its the same reason people who smoke there entire life get lung cancer, want someone else to pay to fix it, and they KEEP SMOKING. CONSIQUENCES AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! That is where morals and common sense are learned!
ashkaji 8 months ago
@katey1dog The corporate take over was empowered by public policy that restricted competition and had everyone get health care through their employer paid insurance.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
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@GaryVolts
What's your point?
katey1dog 1 year ago
I agree that you need to free up healthcare by reforming the tax code and getting rid of government granted state monopolies but there needs to be a public option in case someone falls through the cracks.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi The public option used to be that you would buy the level of medical care you could afford. Today all but the most expensive are declared illegal.
GaryVolts 1 year ago
Duh. I don't get it; what is with these people not even reading the damn bills? I wouldn't even have known about this if it weren't for Ron Paul! (Not this particular incident, I mean, the extreme stupidity of Congressmen not even reading the bills they sign.)
Rayvn7 1 year ago
Congress is a cesspool of special interests and back door lobbying. The insurance companies own the doctors, and they own a lot of congressmen. It's a gigantic circle jerk that will never end. The people who think Obamacare is designed to benefit the citizenry are beyond foolish. The government is not a benign, paternal organization with the peoples' best interests in mind. It is a racket based on coercive violence. All governments are.
pretorious700 1 year ago
AND KICK THE FUCKING INSURANCE COMPANIES OUT!!
chinacat22 1 year ago
I don't trust a lot of Republicans on many issues. However, I do trust Ron Paul. If he says this Healthcare bill sucks, I believe him.
SierraM363 1 year ago
7 people drank the Kool-Aid(r)
hazballs09 1 year ago
Health insurance for catastrophic needs only. No insurance for toe-nail cutting!
MrGb1965 1 year ago
The health care bill is power of the UN. The UN hear the leadership of 129 nation. it a global entity. Serving them self by extracting the wealth and energy from the common man.Since man has transform from work to a product of drugs and doping, the health care will help remove the ones who can not help them self or the banker build the global environment. Care from the un-known is death, cause death it always un-known. Health care is a ticket to a early grave.
SteveXnycperformance 1 year ago
i don't understand why they call supporters of dr paul crazy? Everytime i have listened to him he has sounded the same Read the Constitution be it war, healthcare, bailouts ect. i guess in today's congress it is crazy to read the constitution. However healthcare industry does suck and many have ghost pannels but what other option is there? i don't want to add to the size of govt but something does need to be done
MrSocrates513 1 year ago
we are in a battle for our minds
bradq 1 year ago
Hmm, which works better?
Capitalism OR unneeded regulation brought on my corporate communist lobbyists that stifle competition, cause out of control pricing and eventual government intervention that makes absolutely zero sense...
HMMMMM
Seriously, what is it about this country that we are so blind to things like this? What sense does it make that an up and coming insurance company in California can't sell me health insurance here in VA!? Especially in this electronic age, why not!?
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
@LoryLandskipper well put! I am afraid that most people that I know just want someone else to pay the bill! No one seems to have self respect anymore!
RecceMan90 1 year ago
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Z0mbeSlayer 1 year ago
Repeal The Bill it is the worst legislation in History. Our Congress has failed us by not reading bill and rushing them through without debate and understanding each page amendment, regulation, program. We have to pay attention and make Congress do the jobs they were elected for or fire them every 2 years.
quizerry 1 year ago 2
Ron Paul is a Rosicrucian!!! Do your homework!!!! Please!!!!
cieluore 1 year ago
@cieluore What's your point? That's a good thing.
futbolfever90 1 year ago
@futbolfever90 uh okay
timonabel 1 year ago
I disagree with Dr Paul about "unintended consequences".
This Pelosi congress and Obama administration knew exactly what they were doing to work toward a complete and total government takeover known as single payer. We have lots of video/audio evidence that leave no doubt about their intent.
watch?v=cgmkb8X8c-w
This congress has acted as ruling elites and committed treason against the U.S. constitution. I hope I live to see a day when such people are hung from a gallows for their actions.
kmg501 1 year ago 8
@kmg501 he cannot be entirely forthcoming about some truths quite yet. he "can t handle the controversy"
youtube. com/watch?v=88x6JdfjwCY
taylorkerz 1 year ago
@taylorkerz
He isn't Superman, expecting him to go after 9/11 truth when he doesn't have the power to do so is really foolish if not suicidal. And just for the record, I'm not committed either way when it comes to 9/11 truth. I certainly want to know for sure but you first have to get to a position of power without getting tangled on highly questionable issues.
Cart before the horse...
kmg501 1 year ago
Pro is to con as congress is to progress.
openbreakwhat 1 year ago 2
@openbreakwhat
They should start calling themselves "regressives" instead of progressives.
rbeelz 1 year ago
Thanks for caring, Dr. Paul.
archifiable 1 year ago 2
OH this just makes me sick and now they're trying to control our oceans and FOOD! TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES!
xeena67 1 year ago 2
GO DR. PAUL! Yes we need to trash the new healthcare. It's not good for anyone. God bless you! RON PAUL 2012
xeena67 1 year ago
It takes a lot of persistence to endure the amount of bull shit that Ron has had to put up with for so many years being a member of congress. Just one thing after another, over and over and over again. It's just unbelievable the amount of utter bull shit that politicians spew forth. Ron is not really a politician, he's a humanitarian.
BillymanWag 1 year ago 3
the patients were never in control of healthcare and niether were the doctors, they're all vicitims and slaves of the insurance industry just like Ron Paul.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Don't forget the legal industry. (see: Stossel)
cowboy1165 1 year ago
@cowboy1165 don't forget to let that marinate, ron paul is the insurance industry's bitch and pawn.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Good luck peddling that statement, because you obviously know nothing of Ron Paul or the free market.
cowboy1165 1 year ago
@cowboy1165 I actually know a lot about Ron Paul and the free market. I know ron paul looks out for the billionaires and corporations, allows and even encourages them to exploit and sell out the American people.
daderone 1 year ago
Thanks for the strait talk. If most Americans were like me, they'd make Ron Paul our president and fire every "tax & spend" member of Congress.
MishuTaste 1 year ago
@MishuTaste Fire...Fire-on, What's the difference.
cowboy1165 1 year ago
Ron Paul 2012! Impeach Barry Soetoro!
jaingxu 1 year ago 3
Legalize Liberty! Ron Paul 2012!
Leftovervictim1991 1 year ago 2
Hey, it's not Sept 27th yet? You're working overtime Dr. Paul and ahead of time as usual!
NCIcaucus 1 year ago
Under threat of IMPEACHMENT the deceptive, lying, DemoRepubs will see it OUR WAY. Remember, we allow these deceptions to happen. Thanks, for the information Congressmen PAUL.
VMATT500C 1 year ago
He seemed very sincere this week. Probably because his trades credibility is in the crosshares.
caddyshack12190 1 year ago
@TheAnarchoCapital
Separate tax for those people ONLY and I really like that.
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@TheAnarchoCapital
So, how will he keep abuse (being dropped for dumb shit, the poor and monoplies) from being formed? I know the business collaborating with the government is one reason they ironically have so much power, because they actually get the regulators to go in their favor. I do see that he wants business and govt. separate because, look where we are. How would he actually keep it accessible so people do not suffer? I did like his idea on if there was a PO there would be a...
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@fonkymaster
Competition.
Without the regulations on healthcare and insurance, and with no expectations of Too Big To Fail-bailouts, established insurance providers will actually have to start competing with one another, and with upstart firms, to earn the trust of their customers, and doctors will be free to spend most of their time caring for patients, as opposed to filing paperwork.
That's the market solution. Whether Paul would actually be able to effect it is open for debate.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM and we'll all walk off happily into the sunset
dubified89 1 year ago
@dubified89
Except for you, who will be too busy sucking on state teat.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM
Yeah, a total system like that, would probably take him and another like him ,while holding house majorities to complete, not to mention everything else. I still perfer a PO, with its own tax for those on it, but as long as a Health Company can compete healthily without ridiculous regulations or lobbying, that would be nice..
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JhonnyQuest2012 1 year ago 2
The Democrats are not mentioning their votes in favor of healthcare on the campaign trail. That alone speaks volumes.
bertly71 1 year ago
@gotama420 laydown ok so you don't hurt yourself man
71twimom1918 1 year ago
Wait, Obama said all these wonderful new benefits would be free? How could he have lied to us so many times over and over to our faces. Didn't he say that the people questioning him were racist? So much for an honest debate.
sdfkjllshadflhadfshl 1 year ago
Please Paul run 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sciencemunk 1 year ago
I happen to support a public option in the current climate if I have to deal with main stream Republicans, however I abandon that if Paul ever gets elected.
When Republicans say "Let the market handle it" it means status-quo keeping every regulation and law that drives the price up and making sure big pharma can price gouge and guard their status.
When Ron Paul says it means doing away with all the red tape and really letting the market handle it which is a world of difference.
JimboTHC 1 year ago
Goverment = death and liberatrianism= life. Poeple keep thinking the goverment is their friend need to wake the fuck up.
jm3083 1 year ago
healthcare is a product.
fuck
the sad realities of this fucked up world
jetsamjetsam 1 year ago
Anyone know where I can find Ron Paul's views on Health Care reform? I do not like Obamacare yet I believe that we need something. For example, people with pre-existing conditions can't get health care. People who have been paying their premium get dropped when they need their insurance the most.
satarnag 1 year ago
@satarnag
mainly is to get govt out of the way: $50% of healthcare dollars spent come from govt programs, insurance companies cant compete across state lines, states mandate too much coverage. Another problem is the tax breaks given to employers who give their health insurance to employees, this creates the insurance link with your job that is not portable if you leave that job. If you give the individual the same tax break the employer gets then insurance will become portable again.
ForTehNguyen 1 year ago
@ForTehNguyen Do you think that a person with Diabetes can get health care under these conditions that you speak of?
satarnag 1 year ago
Ron Paul's a free market advocate and it would be easy to hate his ideas on health care on the surface and would be horrible in the current climate.
However philosophically Ron Paul is against requiring prescriptions, get rid of the $300 gate keeper to buy a bottle of penicillin and you solve a lot of the problem right there.
Most of Paul's policy objectives are based in economics, and you would have to look at a much larger picture to not dismiss his health care idea's as pharma-shillery.
JimboTHC 1 year ago
@satarnag I don't know exactly what what Dr Paul's health Care system would look like but I do know that If Doctors and Patients controlled the Health care Program im pretty sure The American People and the Doctors would would want people with Pre-existing conditions to have insurance. I totally believe that Free market is the way, If health insurance companies compete like Car companies do and so forth people can buy a plan for something they like based on Transparent specs.
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
@vigorosoPIMPJr The insurance companies don't want to insure people with pre-existing conditions. If I had diabetes and lost my job, who will insure me so I can afford doctor visits and my prescriptions?
satarnag 1 year ago
@satarnag well under the new health care plan you can...but even then Health care has never been Free Market... if the People and Docs controlled the health insurance and there was FREE MARKET then Market could compete... meaning you could buy a plan from a Health company that does accept pre- excising conditions
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
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campaign4liberty 1 year ago
Honestly, I think the government is just plain retarded. There's no BIG conspiracy, though there are plenty of small ones, and the healthcare bill proves it. How can Congress be so incompetent? These morons can't even understand basic economics! How do you expect an expensive product to become cheaper after maximizing the demand!? Without legalizing competition!? This bill is doomed to fail, and the dollar along with it. Globalization is failing.
VegitoVai90 1 year ago 2
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shartne 1 year ago
it is absolutely absurd what they want the congress to do... pass bills without reading them... absolute stupidity.
1kingconan 1 year ago 3
Wait, now you guys are all intelligent here, well most. I know Ron Paul is against single payer, but exactly what does HE want to do with healthcare? I think I am not understanding him properly so someone explain to me in your most down-syndrome vocabulary what his plan is. I am a Public Option guy personally, and supported HR 3200. I do like a lot of RP's ideas.
fonkymaster 1 year ago
see the video called ( naacp deception ) or ( GM culture attack )
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workingmen1 1 year ago
@gotama420 he should've been more responsible, I'll give you that. Well I'm moving on, got more vids to watch. I'm glad you like his positive messages at least.
bdlbdlbd 1 year ago
@gotama420 I understand, and it's a good argument, I just have a hard time believing the guy is racist, it contradicts nearly everything he says for him to be racist. Of course you can believe whatever you want and if I felt he was racist I wouldn't like him very much either, but I agree with him politically and I feel he's only having this racist light shed on him to discredit his very good ideas of small government and conservative spending.
bdlbdlbd 1 year ago
I want single payer.
xkeltoix 1 year ago
@gotama420 I assume you're refering to the newsletters...the only thing those newsletters prove is that someone that may or may not have been Ron Paul posted rascist comments on his site. There's no way to really prove it was him and there's no way to prove he supported it. Also it's very intresting that a bunch of 20-Year-Old racist letters from Ron Paul did not get reported on until he started running for president. Why wasn't that reported on sooner if it was so important to tell people?
bdlbdlbd 1 year ago
@gotama420 Crackhead.
goldcurrent1 1 year ago 3
@gotama420 as for your opinion: a moron's
Chickenwing1313 1 year ago 11
@Chickenwing1313
Don't worry 'bout him. He's just a pothead troll.
Robert697 1 year ago
Ron Paul . . the voice of intelligent thinking.
breezyvibe 1 year ago 6
Dr.Paul is not a rich bigot. Have you read the CONSTITUTION? I support Ron Paul and the Patriot movement.
timstoys02 1 year ago 73