what shes talking about is essentially agnosticism. the theory that if god or whatever is out there is really all powerfull and created everything thing god is indeed incomprehensible and undefinable by man.
I don't think it's agnosticism. Listen carefully to 5:45. She believes in the force, one mind or God. According to agnosticism you cannot say that you believe in such a thing. I think that God, the force or whatever you will call Him is not an older man with beard sitting there and watching if we do good or bad things. It's very complicated being - I'd rather call it collective consciousness, the source. And I do believe that psychodelics can be used as a link to this being.
it's friggin Baily new age nwo mumbo jumbo. May the force be with you. If kids want my advice wait until you got your life together and your out of your parents house. Then if you want to take the chance on screwing up your lives go for it.
i agree.. the way i see it, depending on the substance youre taking youll enhance your perception either through hyperrealism or subrealism... like psilocybin and mescalin will enhance your senses and therefore your perception of reality, on the other hand belladona and datura plants like moon flower tea will triger your dream gland while awake (not recomended).. in any way, this sensorial enhancement will lead you to understanding your self in a much higher plane and therfore reach yourself
Thank you neuro soup! I consider my LSD trip of 25 yrs ago one of the most important parts of my life. Of course it was all hallucination, but it nevertheless forever shaped my life. Interestingly the insights (i) gained have stayed with me. PS, yes I am an old man, but damn girl you are hot.
a perception is only a hallucination if we take it to be what it represents... e.g. if I see a photo of a coyote, and I see a coyote with my eyes... the photo is only an "illusion" or "hallucination" if I mistake it for a real coyote.
Similar, my vision of the coyote is only an illusion if I make too many assumptions about what that perception means.
Everything has reality, but reality "as hallucination" means we've taken a perception to mean more than it really does.
Some hallucinations I had on mushrooms has been seen by others... for example one time all the leaves on the trees was eyes...And I´m sure that there´s a reason why we are able to hallucinate and expand our mind. The "rule-makers" downpressors should really try some drugs so they can see for them selfs what happens.....tripping is just good for the mind & soul. It´s addiction in every way that should be illigal. PEACE & LOVE 2 ALL
The first time had a laughing gas balloon while on MDMA (which always gives me massive deja vu) I believed I had time travelled... I felt like there was no other way that was possible, since then I realise that was a hallucination and was not real, though entheogens can obviously increase your perceptions.
I took small to moderate doses of pscilocibin mushrooms for around a month. You do break through and see the truth of the matter. I have also had glimpses of this through various other entheogens. But prolonged use expands the total consciousness to an absolutely higher level.
I think you can see the truth, some truth, about how the mind works, by altering how it works... but how could you see beyond it... it's like pouring different chemicals in my gas tank, breaking the car, and saying I've seen how things really work... at most i've seen how the car works (and how it breaks)... our mind is made of matter, and matter is sublime, that's enough for me. I still marvel at the universe when it's material.
I've only had high doses of cannabis and I'd like to try salvia and mdma and other things, though I need to get over my breathing anxiety because it's making my highs suck, but anyway.
I am/was an atheist, but over the past few months of being alone thinking about the universe, astronomy, physics and biology and occasionally getting high...I've come to the exact same conclusion of a "cosmic consciousness."
As a skeptic I don't want to believe these things too hastily, but hearing you describe the identical feelings I've had of a oneness, that we are the part of the universe it made to experience itself, it's all connected and...yeah all that which is just impossible to describe til you've felt it.
I just appreciate hearing someone else saying these things and came to the same conclusions independently. The again, are any of "us" really independent? ;)
Scientists are mostly people that have no idea of Reality.. they search for Truth but mainly seach for Truth in the material world.. Truth is far beyond the material world..The material world is just an illusion that we have created for a learning experience.. Consciousness is not material.. Consciousness is God.. Consciousness is Love.. The illusion of the ego keeps us from knowing this Truth..the ego is selfishness and evil, Love is unselfishness and Love.. you are Love, you are God...........
you can't prove any of that. it's just conjecture that doesn't say anything about how the world or the truth is or why it is. besides, it's clear that you don't know about science or it's intentions.
imo there's no righ or wrong religion, because each of them are true in their own way. hinduists look at the the higher forces of the universe in a certain way, christians do it in a different way, etc. i think that we are all looking to the same thing, just from different perspectives. And before i got an interest on psychedelics, i was really ceptic, and didn't believe that there any God, or higher purpose, so i agree with her, we are here to experience and learn from psychedelics.
The mind the body the brain sees what it need to see in order to maintain. The moore you step into the other part of experiencing things the harder it gets to maintain.
I believe that there is a very real link between SOME metaphysical phenomena, & the use of psychedelic substances. This belief is based on observable synchronicity. NOT some baseless faith. Of course, my experience with synchronicity is just as high with, or without psychedelics. But, more INTENSE with.
Many people are very critical about tripping, they say it just your brain making up shit and that its not real. But then again, how do you define what is real, reality is what ever you perceive it to be so if you think the walls are breathing and that you have a special connection with your shoes then maybe you do, no one else can say otherwise,.
The truth is much more fantastic then one can fathom. A. Einstein I am in contact with Otherdimensional beings and they showedme where to go in the woods and dig something up well i found stuff and now i am building these healing plates that work . So how can i make this up i usually do not go to the woods and dig stuff up for kicks. 3d is a limit way of perception there is more then we can perceive . Well 2012 things should be more revealed maybe qwe then take the offering to becomecosmic
The truth of the matter is that no one knows what's happening. Not Catholics or psychonauts. Not Hindus or philosophers. Not scientists, not the government. People make big words and arguments to describe their reality, but no one has anymore tangible proof than another. We're all equally lost...Some take other peoples word for what's happening and some convince themselves that there is nothing happening at all.
All I am sure of is that reality encompasses more than we see with these eyes.
that's interesting, you're talking about the Matrix, sounds like an emulation of psychotic symptoms because most bipolar or schizophrenic people experience what they often call the "matrix delusion"...probably the most powerful psychotic trip...
You can stutter, and "ha ha" giggle... but you are very well spoken!!! to explain the unexplainable.. i am just so glad i subscribed.. will You Please Hang Out With Me? I Love You! I wish i could explain you
suggestion: read some teilhard de chardin. his is an elegantly reasoned synthesis of science and christian mysticism. i'm not a christian or a mystic necessarily, but his ideas about evolution made a lot of sense to me.
Hallucinogens will not give you peace. It will likely add more confusion.
I agree that there is much you can learn from them about reality, but I urge people not to look to entheogens to find inner peace. Tranquility is found without the consumption of mind altering substance.
I disagree .... due to the fact that even the inspiration for people to find inner peace through non-entheogenic practices ... ironically, most likely came from entheogenic trips.
Well, it was true. The vast majority of religions either use mind altering drugs or were formed around them (and/or dreamed up with them) at some point in history. That's the truth.
Also when we dream, our brain also makes this 'reality' model, but then the big difference is that it models from the inside world (memories) and not from physical things outside our box.
The effect in the brain is to "drop the veils away", with LSD and peyote anyway. Then we see reality, which is always there, we are just steeped in regimination of the mindset, mind policemen, if you will. When the barriers/police fall away, we are more"open" and experience so much more fully. Fear of the loss of control causes the problems. Yes, this physical world is an illusion/Maya, it's all temporal, will end. The experience of "being all one" is very real, call it what you want.
Everything in this universe is temporal because everything is under the law of time. And a trip is something that takes place in this universe and it has a start and an end. Everything has a beginning and an end. So if anything that is temporal is an illusion and everything is temporal then everything is an illusion except the eternal.Now to speak of the eternal is to speak of God and that object of discussion usually leads to all kinds of insults instead of insights. Peace be with you.
Ah, now, see I do believe in "the eternal". I have experienced it and "seen" it. I do not call it god, though you certainly may. I experienced all energy in constant motion of creation and change in one case and a coming to the center of the inward spiraling where there was total stillness. I saw the weavings of the TAO, where we all are.
I say this is reality, you may call it god, I don't. "God" is too confining for what I believe.
Which post? What did I make up? I am not interested in back and forth bickering. If you need to be right fine. You are right, thank you soooo much. And to go any deeper on this subject is pointless to me at this stage. I did not make up anything. No reason to lie for me.
you say that everything has a beginning and an end (temporal). a trip is temporal. everything temporal is an illusion. only the eternal is not temporal, and the eternal is also called the external and God.
1- how do you know that the universe will end? 2-how do you know that everything is an illusion simply because it is not permanent? 3- why is the permanent necessarily eternal? 4-why is the external God?
without answering these, all of what you said is conjecture.
So you have created your own " god " that logically makes sense to you and these hallucinations are proof of your god . I think this is a perfect example of someone who has gone too far down the rabbit hole with no desire to return. That was the end result of my psychedelic journey, a bunch of profound question without any answers. Just confusion. Nobody can explain confusion.
personally i love religion and myth, they are so fascinating and intriguing. they hold so many stories and lessons but to dictate one's existence by ancient writings is absurd
No, a memory is not real. Just like everyone's personal view on reality is not real. It's just a perception. Like a model that our brain makes of the 'reality'
When we see things or hear things or taste or whatever, our brain sculptures a model of reality from that.
We are like a box with 5 holes in it. (the senses)
When on drugs, i guess we can be outside of this box.
In our dreams we are in the "great unconcsious". It's alway there, we just block it out in order to drive, read, talk, fixate on the big old physical world where we feel so separate.
Trying to describe an x or salvia experiance is almost impossible. Entheogens really changed the way I percieve reality. Especially salvia. Very powerful experience that was almost dysphoric but so interesting my curiosity got the best of me and I've done it a few times now.
Personally I believe that you are kept in the physical through constant sensory input - that is why sensory deprivation is a method people use to 'hallucinate'.
When you die, you have no physical sensory input, so your entire focus shifts to the spiritual.
I think that drugs work by altering the delicate balance of physical sensory input that keeps you grounded, thus allowing you to temporarily perceive more of the non-physical than normal.
Thanks man, also when you think about it if you look up methods for 'astral projection', they involve losing focus of your physical body through deep relaxation, (normally while you focus on something imaginary and non-physical).
Some escape vectors within the rational domain: Paraconsistent Logic and Dialetheism. Religion or secular world view, just an effort to manage a shared psychosis (pathologically speaking). When arguing the confines of shared psychosis is either reinforced or the crossover to another psychosis - another instance of binding to some particular logic - is bound to become irrational, evoking fear or anger. Love is the key to God without hierarchy and the only way to cross over. Another's world view.
In other words: some people just need their myths. Some people simply wouldn't know what to do with themselves without them and in those cases (clinically) it's better to just leave them be. This ain't the clinic, though. I hold back smacking the childish beliefs hand because the author pushes a general message that I think, overall, better's the world. Come into a class I'm teaching with the fru fru and I'd slap the pass/fail button to fail. But I'm an asshole that demands proof of concept.
I'm not quite sure what you are saying about what and who and what. Also for some reason I got wind that I am being graded for something? :) Uhh... If you could expand on your message I'd like to hear more. I'm unable to decipher your message as to whether you are critical towards my msg or Cole's or...
All of your videos are great. I completely agree with your comments about words not being able to accurately describe the psychedelic experience. Words can point to something, but they are not the thing itself. This is true in normal, waking life as well.
As for the idea of tripping being merely a hallucination, I contend that it is no more a hallucination than normal/consensus reality. That is, most of life is just a *persistent* hallucination.
Would you not say that it's better to not take drugs at all? It seems to me that people can alter their brain chemicals through meditation and prayer...
Hmm...first, I should point out that I have extensively experimented with LSD and a limited amount of peyote and mushrooms (both psilocybin and strafaria). So I'm not one of those people meloearth is talking about. I value what I learned from the experiences, but I just don't go with the 'versions of reality' thing. Maybe I'm wired differently, but in spite of many different amounts and qualities, I never really saw anything other than an interconnectedness, but by no means anything beyond.
It's so hard to explain this stuff to people that THINK they know but have never done anything, and simply rely on what they were taught. I think the guy who "inspired" this video might be one of those. And they usually are not interested in learning...they are just preaching, repeating like a parrot. I get you, all you say is not needed for me. Hard to put this stuff in words, but you do it well. (omg, I was just writing this when you *said* it...watching the vid while writing this!)
Wonderful and inspiring vid Krystal. I kind of hated myself for getting steamed up about Liar's vid response. My own attitude needs some analysis I think! My own 6 cents: Truth or reality..who knows? But I have been shown that the imagination is impossibly vast. Concepts greater than you exist (paradoxically) within you. The entheogenic experience taps this vast well. This sense of 'alien familiarity' I find so utterly compelling (and convincing). Yep. we need a language for exploration...lol
Your response came from someone who is obviously not intelligent enough to grasp the nomenclature. True hallucinations only come in exceptionally high doses of true psychedelics. Most true hallucinations come from the anticholergenics (dissociatives more closely related to nerve gas than LSD) that make better weapons than drugs, as evidenced by the US use of BZ (agent buzz).
Great vid, Krystle. "Hallucinations" ARE hallucinations--but only relative to "normal" states of consciousness. A reasonable conclusion is that entheogens serve to obliterate the ILLUSION that the normal mode of consciousness is the only mode--or even necessarily the best mode.
Psychedelic use demonstrates that paradox can be true and that logic doesn't explain everything. Getting that perspective allows you to see that "truth" is something much broader than what "normality" tells us.
It's rather like how some animals see things in black and white, or multiple images (like the fly). As you say, psychedelics may allow you to see reality through a different kind of filter/lense. Its a very interesting idea and wholly possible - the brain being a biological supercomputer in tune with the Universe (which is all energy and all connected), new chemicals cause it to act differently and tune it in to other 'channels', other aspects or dimensions of reality.
andy7666: I don't even think that kind of "imaginative" theory of the effect is necessary. If psychedelics merely break down the "normal rules" of perception, then that alone is (or could be) liberating.
Merely breaking down the boundaries of the normal state of consciousness may allow things to come into consciousness that are normally prohibited.
You might think of it as putting windows in a formerly windowless room.
or what?
DamnTheBeavers 2 years ago
what shes talking about is essentially agnosticism. the theory that if god or whatever is out there is really all powerfull and created everything thing god is indeed incomprehensible and undefinable by man.
mannnannnny 2 years ago 4
I don't think it's agnosticism. Listen carefully to 5:45. She believes in the force, one mind or God. According to agnosticism you cannot say that you believe in such a thing. I think that God, the force or whatever you will call Him is not an older man with beard sitting there and watching if we do good or bad things. It's very complicated being - I'd rather call it collective consciousness, the source. And I do believe that psychodelics can be used as a link to this being.
Kozaack 2 years ago 26
it's friggin Baily new age nwo mumbo jumbo. May the force be with you. If kids want my advice wait until you got your life together and your out of your parents house. Then if you want to take the chance on screwing up your lives go for it.
pdxeddie1111 2 years ago
i agree.. the way i see it, depending on the substance youre taking youll enhance your perception either through hyperrealism or subrealism... like psilocybin and mescalin will enhance your senses and therefore your perception of reality, on the other hand belladona and datura plants like moon flower tea will triger your dream gland while awake (not recomended).. in any way, this sensorial enhancement will lead you to understanding your self in a much higher plane and therfore reach yourself
friverb 2 years ago
Thank you neuro soup! I consider my LSD trip of 25 yrs ago one of the most important parts of my life. Of course it was all hallucination, but it nevertheless forever shaped my life. Interestingly the insights (i) gained have stayed with me. PS, yes I am an old man, but damn girl you are hot.
herbdegardner 2 years ago
a perception is only a hallucination if we take it to be what it represents... e.g. if I see a photo of a coyote, and I see a coyote with my eyes... the photo is only an "illusion" or "hallucination" if I mistake it for a real coyote.
Similar, my vision of the coyote is only an illusion if I make too many assumptions about what that perception means.
Everything has reality, but reality "as hallucination" means we've taken a perception to mean more than it really does.
pyrrho314 2 years ago
Some hallucinations I had on mushrooms has been seen by others... for example one time all the leaves on the trees was eyes...And I´m sure that there´s a reason why we are able to hallucinate and expand our mind. The "rule-makers" downpressors should really try some drugs so they can see for them selfs what happens.....tripping is just good for the mind & soul. It´s addiction in every way that should be illigal. PEACE & LOVE 2 ALL
nahojohan1 2 years ago
The first time had a laughing gas balloon while on MDMA (which always gives me massive deja vu) I believed I had time travelled... I felt like there was no other way that was possible, since then I realise that was a hallucination and was not real, though entheogens can obviously increase your perceptions.
Pwnagemerchant 2 years ago
I took small to moderate doses of pscilocibin mushrooms for around a month. You do break through and see the truth of the matter. I have also had glimpses of this through various other entheogens. But prolonged use expands the total consciousness to an absolutely higher level.
blakeinkzoo 2 years ago
I think you can see the truth, some truth, about how the mind works, by altering how it works... but how could you see beyond it... it's like pouring different chemicals in my gas tank, breaking the car, and saying I've seen how things really work... at most i've seen how the car works (and how it breaks)... our mind is made of matter, and matter is sublime, that's enough for me. I still marvel at the universe when it's material.
pyrrho314 2 years ago
I've only had high doses of cannabis and I'd like to try salvia and mdma and other things, though I need to get over my breathing anxiety because it's making my highs suck, but anyway.
I am/was an atheist, but over the past few months of being alone thinking about the universe, astronomy, physics and biology and occasionally getting high...I've come to the exact same conclusion of a "cosmic consciousness."
Promatheos 2 years ago
As a skeptic I don't want to believe these things too hastily, but hearing you describe the identical feelings I've had of a oneness, that we are the part of the universe it made to experience itself, it's all connected and...yeah all that which is just impossible to describe til you've felt it.
I just appreciate hearing someone else saying these things and came to the same conclusions independently. The again, are any of "us" really independent? ;)
Promatheos 2 years ago
Quick correction: You have 26 senses not 5...think sense of balance.
gope23 2 years ago
Scientists are mostly people that have no idea of Reality.. they search for Truth but mainly seach for Truth in the material world.. Truth is far beyond the material world..The material world is just an illusion that we have created for a learning experience.. Consciousness is not material.. Consciousness is God.. Consciousness is Love.. The illusion of the ego keeps us from knowing this Truth..the ego is selfishness and evil, Love is unselfishness and Love.. you are Love, you are God...........
Realityisnotmatter 2 years ago
you can't prove any of that. it's just conjecture that doesn't say anything about how the world or the truth is or why it is. besides, it's clear that you don't know about science or it's intentions.
diomedes39 2 years ago
ok, seriously, she made up about half the things she said in this video. unreliable reference
FriendTron450 2 years ago
imo there's no righ or wrong religion, because each of them are true in their own way. hinduists look at the the higher forces of the universe in a certain way, christians do it in a different way, etc. i think that we are all looking to the same thing, just from different perspectives. And before i got an interest on psychedelics, i was really ceptic, and didn't believe that there any God, or higher purpose, so i agree with her, we are here to experience and learn from psychedelics.
oRelvaz 2 years ago
Check out Rembrant's take on Luke 24...
These guys are on their way home from Jerusalem after a tumultous Passover. They have an experience at a tavern that leaves them very changed.
Anyhow, it's not the NT passage that I'm emphasizing but rather the human being's experience of life which Rembrant captures in his painting.
Central to Christianity is the question of whether the Resurrection was a halluciation (and certainly that whole Pentecostal Freak-Out!)
thisismyname007 2 years ago
The mind the body the brain sees what it need to see in order to maintain. The moore you step into the other part of experiencing things the harder it gets to maintain.
killkow 2 years ago
maintain what?
KID433321 2 years ago
I believe that there is a very real link between SOME metaphysical phenomena, & the use of psychedelic substances. This belief is based on observable synchronicity. NOT some baseless faith. Of course, my experience with synchronicity is just as high with, or without psychedelics. But, more INTENSE with.
Memphionik 2 years ago
She's so optimistic and pleasant.
keyotikdragon 2 years ago
very
KID433321 2 years ago
actually as all the mystics tell us, our so called reality is the illusion
GG74K 2 years ago
Many people are very critical about tripping, they say it just your brain making up shit and that its not real. But then again, how do you define what is real, reality is what ever you perceive it to be so if you think the walls are breathing and that you have a special connection with your shoes then maybe you do, no one else can say otherwise,.
Rumbleman99 2 years ago
The truth is much more fantastic then one can fathom. A. Einstein I am in contact with Otherdimensional beings and they showedme where to go in the woods and dig something up well i found stuff and now i am building these healing plates that work . So how can i make this up i usually do not go to the woods and dig stuff up for kicks. 3d is a limit way of perception there is more then we can perceive . Well 2012 things should be more revealed maybe qwe then take the offering to becomecosmic
SIRIUSSTARSEED 2 years ago
wtf
KID433321 2 years ago
perfectly said
KID433321 2 years ago
The truth of the matter is that no one knows what's happening. Not Catholics or psychonauts. Not Hindus or philosophers. Not scientists, not the government. People make big words and arguments to describe their reality, but no one has anymore tangible proof than another. We're all equally lost...Some take other peoples word for what's happening and some convince themselves that there is nothing happening at all.
All I am sure of is that reality encompasses more than we see with these eyes.
ChimX420 2 years ago
Very well put ChimX420. I agree with you.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
i waana fuck her anus. i just wanna get in there and dig all around and pound her
DurBanPoison420uh 2 years ago
haha
Wakeupsleepyhead1984 2 years ago
its funny because we see things how our brain puts them.
maybe reality is spiral and things are all spiral and moving, but our brain shows them to us like we see them.
maybe when you are on LSD, it's how reality really is.
LordEmilous 2 years ago
language is so limiting.
and yes.. love is what it;s all about :)
ImaMuffin 2 years ago
what are your beliefs?
1000jake1000 2 years ago
You reminded me of what mckenna was talking about on how words are not a very good way to communicate.
nebnubs 2 years ago
Can you give me a link to that video? I'd love to watch it.
Btw, NeuroSoup. I love your video's. Definitely helping me research before I do these things.
BR00T4Lvideos 2 years ago
where did this all powerfull mind come from just appeard??
paxxiwar 2 years ago
that's interesting, you're talking about the Matrix, sounds like an emulation of psychotic symptoms because most bipolar or schizophrenic people experience what they often call the "matrix delusion"...probably the most powerful psychotic trip...
kaltenbach16 2 years ago
RUB THE GODHEAD!
Neweddy24 2 years ago
I LOVE YOU!!. just watched part 2..
outkast334 2 years ago
You can stutter, and "ha ha" giggle... but you are very well spoken!!! to explain the unexplainable.. i am just so glad i subscribed.. will You Please Hang Out With Me? I Love You! I wish i could explain you
outkast334 2 years ago
oh and I forgot to say! after my experiences I said the SAME EXACT thing with the matrix analogy!
aaenema 2 years ago
you're like the next timothy leary, or rick straussman, or mckenna..
I hope you grow even larger in popularity
aaenema 2 years ago
the big nothing
tobad4ya 2 years ago
good veiws, your very beautiful!
carl123986 2 years ago
I love you.
B00berryb00 2 years ago 2
If you think we were created, as you say, then how do you reconcile this with evolution?
Ontologistics 2 years ago
suggestion: read some teilhard de chardin. his is an elegantly reasoned synthesis of science and christian mysticism. i'm not a christian or a mystic necessarily, but his ideas about evolution made a lot of sense to me.
medicinesocks 2 years ago
Hallucinogens will not give you peace. It will likely add more confusion.
I agree that there is much you can learn from them about reality, but I urge people not to look to entheogens to find inner peace. Tranquility is found without the consumption of mind altering substance.
evane1989 2 years ago
I disagree .... due to the fact that even the inspiration for people to find inner peace through non-entheogenic practices ... ironically, most likely came from entheogenic trips.
psyche0alterations 2 years ago
It's more than likely, it's certain in most cases.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
Thanks for the support! :)
psyche0alterations 2 years ago
Well, it was true. The vast majority of religions either use mind altering drugs or were formed around them (and/or dreamed up with them) at some point in history. That's the truth.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
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psyche0alterations 2 years ago
That's pretty funny... I used that exact same kind of matrix analogy yesterday when I was talking to my wife about inter-dimensional beings.
defsownds 2 years ago
Also when we dream, our brain also makes this 'reality' model, but then the big difference is that it models from the inside world (memories) and not from physical things outside our box.
Phyle9 2 years ago
i like this new background :)
combcard 2 years ago
The effect in the brain is to "drop the veils away", with LSD and peyote anyway. Then we see reality, which is always there, we are just steeped in regimination of the mindset, mind policemen, if you will. When the barriers/police fall away, we are more"open" and experience so much more fully. Fear of the loss of control causes the problems. Yes, this physical world is an illusion/Maya, it's all temporal, will end. The experience of "being all one" is very real, call it what you want.
venniey 2 years ago
Everything in this universe is temporal because everything is under the law of time. And a trip is something that takes place in this universe and it has a start and an end. Everything has a beginning and an end. So if anything that is temporal is an illusion and everything is temporal then everything is an illusion except the eternal.Now to speak of the eternal is to speak of God and that object of discussion usually leads to all kinds of insults instead of insights. Peace be with you.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
Ah, now, see I do believe in "the eternal". I have experienced it and "seen" it. I do not call it god, though you certainly may. I experienced all energy in constant motion of creation and change in one case and a coming to the center of the inward spiraling where there was total stillness. I saw the weavings of the TAO, where we all are.
I say this is reality, you may call it god, I don't. "God" is too confining for what I believe.
venniey 2 years ago
And thank you for sharing your beliefs with me venniey. Peace be with you.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
Law of Time?
diomedes39 2 years ago
You know, beginning and end. Start and finish. All things must pass.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
time is just a way to reference one moment from another, just as up is used to reference distance.
to say it bluntly, you really didn't say anything in your post. you just stated the obvious and made things up when you weren't doing that.
diomedes39 2 years ago
Which post? What did I make up? I am not interested in back and forth bickering. If you need to be right fine. You are right, thank you soooo much. And to go any deeper on this subject is pointless to me at this stage. I did not make up anything. No reason to lie for me.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
i will point it out then.
you say that everything has a beginning and an end (temporal). a trip is temporal. everything temporal is an illusion. only the eternal is not temporal, and the eternal is also called the external and God.
1- how do you know that the universe will end? 2-how do you know that everything is an illusion simply because it is not permanent? 3- why is the permanent necessarily eternal? 4-why is the external God?
without answering these, all of what you said is conjecture.
diomedes39 2 years ago 2
So you have created your own " god " that logically makes sense to you and these hallucinations are proof of your god . I think this is a perfect example of someone who has gone too far down the rabbit hole with no desire to return. That was the end result of my psychedelic journey, a bunch of profound question without any answers. Just confusion. Nobody can explain confusion.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
Thats not the case at all, you entirely misunderstood the girl..
andy7666 2 years ago
I apologize if I misunderstood but I still believe my previous statement holds truth. Peace to you.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
personally i love religion and myth, they are so fascinating and intriguing. they hold so many stories and lessons but to dictate one's existence by ancient writings is absurd
Pr4dat0r 2 years ago
i can't see any beauty in religion. it causes way more harm then good.
alexander92648 2 years ago
i find that discussing the nature of 'reality' is quite fascinating. what is 'real'? what is a 'memory'? is a 'memory' 'real'?
AV
Amateur0Visionary 2 years ago
No, a memory is not real. Just like everyone's personal view on reality is not real. It's just a perception. Like a model that our brain makes of the 'reality'
When we see things or hear things or taste or whatever, our brain sculptures a model of reality from that.
We are like a box with 5 holes in it. (the senses)
When on drugs, i guess we can be outside of this box.
Phyle9 2 years ago
This relates to dreams too.
You know, 99% of the time in dreams u believe that experience is "real"
It has something to do with the pre-cognitive part of the brain.
Phyle9 2 years ago
In our dreams we are in the "great unconcsious". It's alway there, we just block it out in order to drive, read, talk, fixate on the big old physical world where we feel so separate.
venniey 2 years ago
Trying to describe an x or salvia experiance is almost impossible. Entheogens really changed the way I percieve reality. Especially salvia. Very powerful experience that was almost dysphoric but so interesting my curiosity got the best of me and I've done it a few times now.
weezie4787 2 years ago
its not robots its aliens
ilovetool420 2 years ago
"the reality that we have... is more of an illusion than the experiences that we have..."
matrix much?
Lorentz5 2 years ago
Personally I believe that you are kept in the physical through constant sensory input - that is why sensory deprivation is a method people use to 'hallucinate'.
When you die, you have no physical sensory input, so your entire focus shifts to the spiritual.
I think that drugs work by altering the delicate balance of physical sensory input that keeps you grounded, thus allowing you to temporarily perceive more of the non-physical than normal.
I think many drug experiences are genuine.
AnduinX 2 years ago
Pretty interesting theory
pierrevl 2 years ago
Thanks man, also when you think about it if you look up methods for 'astral projection', they involve losing focus of your physical body through deep relaxation, (normally while you focus on something imaginary and non-physical).
AnduinX 2 years ago
Some escape vectors within the rational domain: Paraconsistent Logic and Dialetheism. Religion or secular world view, just an effort to manage a shared psychosis (pathologically speaking). When arguing the confines of shared psychosis is either reinforced or the crossover to another psychosis - another instance of binding to some particular logic - is bound to become irrational, evoking fear or anger. Love is the key to God without hierarchy and the only way to cross over. Another's world view.
lilbahr 2 years ago
In other words: some people just need their myths. Some people simply wouldn't know what to do with themselves without them and in those cases (clinically) it's better to just leave them be. This ain't the clinic, though. I hold back smacking the childish beliefs hand because the author pushes a general message that I think, overall, better's the world. Come into a class I'm teaching with the fru fru and I'd slap the pass/fail button to fail. But I'm an asshole that demands proof of concept.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
I'm not quite sure what you are saying about what and who and what. Also for some reason I got wind that I am being graded for something? :) Uhh... If you could expand on your message I'd like to hear more. I'm unable to decipher your message as to whether you are critical towards my msg or Cole's or...
lilbahr 2 years ago
I'm slightly critical of all things fru fru.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
'fru fru' - ok now I get that. Surprised it actually had a meaning. (no speaka english okee?)
Well I wouldn't recommend suspending criticism against better judgement. That would definitely not do anyone any favors.
lilbahr 2 years ago
All of your videos are great. I completely agree with your comments about words not being able to accurately describe the psychedelic experience. Words can point to something, but they are not the thing itself. This is true in normal, waking life as well.
As for the idea of tripping being merely a hallucination, I contend that it is no more a hallucination than normal/consensus reality. That is, most of life is just a *persistent* hallucination.
ghostofczolgosz 2 years ago
lets get high
faszika 2 years ago
Would you not say that it's better to not take drugs at all? It seems to me that people can alter their brain chemicals through meditation and prayer...
Thanks
thorkyll 2 years ago
Hmm...first, I should point out that I have extensively experimented with LSD and a limited amount of peyote and mushrooms (both psilocybin and strafaria). So I'm not one of those people meloearth is talking about. I value what I learned from the experiences, but I just don't go with the 'versions of reality' thing. Maybe I'm wired differently, but in spite of many different amounts and qualities, I never really saw anything other than an interconnectedness, but by no means anything beyond.
alaskafido 2 years ago
It's so hard to explain this stuff to people that THINK they know but have never done anything, and simply rely on what they were taught. I think the guy who "inspired" this video might be one of those. And they usually are not interested in learning...they are just preaching, repeating like a parrot. I get you, all you say is not needed for me. Hard to put this stuff in words, but you do it well. (omg, I was just writing this when you *said* it...watching the vid while writing this!)
meloearth 2 years ago 2
The guy that inspired this video is interested in learning and has at least tripped on shrooms.
dackjaniels555 2 years ago
Good!
meloearth 2 years ago
i love your tie dye behind you, still watching the video..
darkrealm666 2 years ago
Wonderful and inspiring vid Krystal. I kind of hated myself for getting steamed up about Liar's vid response. My own attitude needs some analysis I think! My own 6 cents: Truth or reality..who knows? But I have been shown that the imagination is impossibly vast. Concepts greater than you exist (paradoxically) within you. The entheogenic experience taps this vast well. This sense of 'alien familiarity' I find so utterly compelling (and convincing). Yep. we need a language for exploration...lol
perfectbabyperfect0 2 years ago
Your response came from someone who is obviously not intelligent enough to grasp the nomenclature. True hallucinations only come in exceptionally high doses of true psychedelics. Most true hallucinations come from the anticholergenics (dissociatives more closely related to nerve gas than LSD) that make better weapons than drugs, as evidenced by the US use of BZ (agent buzz).
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
anticholinergic
chronodyne 2 years ago
Thnx. All those damned classes and some things I still fuck up. 50wpm does that to me, sometimes I type faster than I can think.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
You are the girl of my dreams
levigoven 2 years ago
Great video sis.. keep it up.
jjustlearn 2 years ago
cool thoughts
nice vid
Harshfate 2 years ago
Great vid, Krystle. "Hallucinations" ARE hallucinations--but only relative to "normal" states of consciousness. A reasonable conclusion is that entheogens serve to obliterate the ILLUSION that the normal mode of consciousness is the only mode--or even necessarily the best mode.
Psychedelic use demonstrates that paradox can be true and that logic doesn't explain everything. Getting that perspective allows you to see that "truth" is something much broader than what "normality" tells us.
GetMeThere1 2 years ago 2
It's rather like how some animals see things in black and white, or multiple images (like the fly). As you say, psychedelics may allow you to see reality through a different kind of filter/lense. Its a very interesting idea and wholly possible - the brain being a biological supercomputer in tune with the Universe (which is all energy and all connected), new chemicals cause it to act differently and tune it in to other 'channels', other aspects or dimensions of reality.
andy7666 2 years ago 3
andy7666: I don't even think that kind of "imaginative" theory of the effect is necessary. If psychedelics merely break down the "normal rules" of perception, then that alone is (or could be) liberating.
Merely breaking down the boundaries of the normal state of consciousness may allow things to come into consciousness that are normally prohibited.
You might think of it as putting windows in a formerly windowless room.
GetMeThere1 2 years ago
great vid, your effort is not lacking. simply some people get it..... and some dont. to bad for those that dont.
djdevil0000 2 years ago 2
Someone said it best( I forget) " On Lsd you can see an invisable world around you that is always there,but with the drug it becomes visable".
jillpoo3 2 years ago 4
maybe regular life as we know it is a hallucination. maybe, what we think are hallucinations, is just reality.
DurBanPoison420uh 2 years ago 3
are they different glasses?
sweetypie000 2 years ago
It may all just be hallucinations but the experiences are profound and definitely enlightening.
Jacobb625 2 years ago 3
lol, 0 views..... :D
greAt vid!
superASSschaf 2 years ago