As I have gotten older (68 now) I wonder often just how much difference for the better Christian or Mormon or other religion really makes in one`s life. So many of this world`s really fine people have no concern for faith matters yet often they outdo most Christians or Mormons in virtues & generosity. I`ve met folks whose conversion to Christ makes huge change in life, but, really, not many; sometimes change is transitory. Good people seem to be so because of whom they are to begin with.
I am an apostate of long standing, too. I left the L.D.S. at 12 or 13. I saw through its chief doctrinal weakness even at that early age. I had no sex problem; this was before puberty, which made things easier for a gay guy! I am glad that I never had to endure the tortures of so many gay Mormons!
I completely agree with you! I have always felt the strangeness that many members of the LDS Church whom I've been around have acted in regards to "sensitive" situations such as people leaving the LDS Church and the judging which has taken place because of it. I am a current member of the LDS Church but I feel I am on my way out.
@wwwallaceboy: It's not the Church who make the Laws and Commandments...It's the Lord God!!!
If you and ppl like you decided to choose immorality over keeping God's commandments, then you have no right to down the Church...any church! You have to live with the consequences of your choice. What does it say in the Bible?...Choose God or die. (Which means a spiritual death) Good luck.
I agree with alot of your points. I do belive there is alot of fear domaniant belief in the church as well as close mindedness. I am an active member, educated in theology and philosophy. "Faith"or Conviction opossed to belief is why I would embrace a search for truth than fallow opinions. That being said, I understand why Mormons would be upset at a desire to apostatize, and disagree that they should be accepted. There is a sense of betrayed trust as if a brother left a family that loved him.
It's not that they cannot leave it alone, the simply want to spread the churches lies to others and let them know that they also have been lied to. It's that simple! The foundation of lies have impacted the believer and they simply want to spread the truths of which they have learned. Who would not want to know they have been lied to? The church hates that people are actually thinking on their own and actually learning true church history instead of the santa clause version.
It's all right when you relate the human perspective of leaving the Church.
On the other hand, when you say on YouTube, for instance, that you are a active, believing member of the Church you will soon find a drove of anti-Mormon vultures around you who try to hit your faith as hard as possible to make you leave the Church. About them the question, "why don't they simply leave us alone?", is justified.
Maybe some people think "he's left the Church, so he must be an anti-Mormon now".
long-winded gobblety-gook about internal mental problems. Just leave the stupid church and live your life as a free-thinker and be happy instead of boring.
Excuse me...I drink beer and smoke cigarettes...and I continue to go to church every sunday...we must change our perceptions about the church. I smoke cigarettes on my way to teach primary class because I was the only one worthy enough. I know I am doing wrong...but I still do good and I will never give up. We need people like you more than ever. You seem to understand. I stay in the church because God loves me no matter what I do.
That last statement you made regarding the leaving and coming into the church that it should be met and regarded with as much loving respect is extraordinary!
if they leave the church over doctrinal issues, and find Jesus as He is in the Bible, they are bound by a holy commandment to witness Christ to all who do not know Him, as best they can.
ex mormons are still interested in mormon faith. That's why they still talked about it. They can't get over with that, bad or good. Thanks to them for helping spread the words..
That letter you read was correct. You are trying to justify your leaving the church and are victimizing yourself. Alot of gay persons have issues with being victimized. In retro, maybe the LDS was helping you. And once there, you realize it's not for you- so you left it. NOW CLOSE THAT CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE. BTW, I am not a member of the LDS nor interested. I just noticed that you need to move on because it's YOU that keeps the LDS "torturing" your conscience. Sorry.
'Alot of gay persons have issues with being victimized.'
Yes, all wounds leave scars. So should we keep on wounding our children by shaming them for being different?
Would you say that many Native Americans also have issues, many single moms, etc etc etc? This is not love. This is not seing the human struggle of the person. The reason people have issues is because of unresolved stuff in their past. Most gay people grow up knowing they are different while surrounded by misunderstanding.
That you for you video. I think its hard for a person to leave a religion, is because you have friends and family and you have invested a lot in the religion, and he concept of hell expectancy, when you leave is paralizing. I gues there must be more reasons, but I wanted to adress these. Good luck!
You are too all-consumed by Mormonism. You are using its concepts and terminology even to apologetically "make yourself seem like a legitimate compassionate "good-guy" figure to THEM, SPECIFICALLY.
I know you're conscientious, but I'd like to compassionately shock you out of your present place of dependency: GROW UP! The world if full of much more than Mormonism. Simply, grow up. Leave it. I'm not a mormon, but am gay too--many of us have had these religious issues: Pursue objectivity.
Those of us who have left dogmatic (and often oppressive) belief systems have the right and probably even the duty to talk about our journeys. Sincere seekers who wake up inside a dogmatic religious context FEEL TERRIBLY ALONE, as I'm sure you know only too well.
What you're doing here is SO HELPFUL to sincere seekers who are honestly trying to find their way.
Please--PLEASE--don't stop your important work here.
I am 60 years-old. I left the LDS Church at the age of 57. I was married in the Salt Lake Temple. We were both returned missionaries. My wife is still a member but supports my decision. I left the Church because I could no longer rationalize my beliefs concerning evolution, modern cosmology, and certain social issues with the teachings of the Church. Leaving the Church is often the result of many years of deep, serious thought. Being gay is no sin. Being an intellectual coward is.
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being gay is against the Law of God, Perhaps if you were to seek the Lord instead Joe Smith you would get the real spirit from God! Mormons never get truth from the church, so they tend to give up on God instead of seeking God's truth.
Why Mormons leave the Church but do not leave it alone? Because they know the blasphemous lies perpetrated by the Church in the name of Christ and they cannot stomach the idea of others being suckered in as they once were without doing something to warn them.
The Only True Church? The Only Church with the Authority to Baptize? The only Church with the Legitimate Priesthood? Gee you wonder why ex-Mormons don't just walk away once they come to know the Truth?
What church was Joseph Smith an "apostate" from?--Methodism? How about Oliver Cowdry? PPPrat? The Whitmers? EVERY Mormon alive today has an apostate in their family tree. You'd think they'd go a little easier on their condemnations...
I, too am an "apostate". I have read many stories of other apostates and their journey out of Mormonism. As a result of the shunning, and evil speaking said of them by the "chosen ones", I have come to the conclusion that the oft heard saying, "Apostates can leave the church but they can't leave it alone" is somewhat true, but so is this saying, "You can leave Mormonism, but Mormons can't leave YOU alone"--thru rumor mongering and general harassment.
People who leave the LDS church ALWAYS have to justify their action. They are ALWAYS and FOREVER in this mode. Apostasy from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is an act of insecurity. Joseph Smith NEVER took the insecure route. He gave his very life for the testimony that he bore to the world. I hope someday Clark comes back.
..Make you too come to know the freedom that the truth brings...God was NEVER ambivalent about polygamy being adultery even if some old test. prophets practiced it...Even the 1830 book of mormon confirmed that in pg 111vs 23-24 but then joseph smith confirmed he was a false prophets even to his early church members by 'changing the "mind of god" when he added lust as well as mind control still symptomatic of the mormon church today...
Wow Lawrenzzz .. it's not judgement, stop letting it weigh on your heart so much. I went through a similar situation with a friend of mine Kamila.. It was horrific! She was devistated, like getting x communicated from a cult!
I grew up in a Christian home (Originally Baptist and then non-denominational) My parents were missionaries, but I just haven't had a calling to be "active" in religion.
I hope you don't struggle with this too much more! As always, I remain, Respectfully Yours,
It breaks my heart to see such great people, be torn apart by shunning that is born from -- as you say-- over simplification. I'm glad you chose to live life fully and honestly. You're a powerful example to those who feel trapped and worthless. Catholics have/are going through the same, at LEAST as bad. I feel Mormons will adapt and change. As their kids go out into the world, they'll have to. Until then it's great that some kids will hear your message and feel hope instead of despair.
I brought this up in Elders Quorum the other week and got some odd looks. It was this idea that I am a Christian first and a Mormon second. I converted to Christ before I met Mormon Missionaries and My Mormonism could one day be taken away just for speaking my mind but My Christianity will always be with me. My Church may one day reject me but Christ never will
You're absolutely right. When active Mormons talk about people who leave or go inactive, it's always "their" fault, and the problem never lies with the Church. It's such a tragic worldview.
@timonline2000: Hey, Those who leave the Church or go inactive make a choice to do so! It is their own fault if they are complaining and unhappy now. They have lost the Spirit of the Lord.
Clark, the church is so powerful but true. It is just a very good church. Because when it rejects homosexuals and tries for any way to stop them be happy, it is an evil church.
It is evil when use money and campaigns to discredit and despite gays.
The Jesus Christ's plan was free will, and Lucifer's was to enforce "the good to others." The last one is the present plan from the church, to impose its will over others even they are not Mormons.
As an active member of the LDS church I would like to say that while I am still undecided on how I feel about the issue of gay members I would like to say to you Clark that after only listening to a few of your video blogs I am very impressed at how well spoken you are and well educated in the church you are. I agree with how you present your opinions and I agree with alot of what you say. You are an extremly gifted speaker.
..Sadly, some former mormons are now agnostics and atheists from the damage inflicted on them by the false teaching of the mormon church..some GLADLY wear as a badge of honor that ridiculous mormon excommunication bit ..the 1800's are not that long ago..when i read the words of brigham young (a "prophet") distorting old testament narrative to justify racism against blacks its like hearing words right out of the mouth of satan...creey and despicable..(journal of discourses vol.7 pg 290-291).
Clark be grateful to GOD that he opened your spiritual eyes...A church that at itS very INCEPTION was ALREADY steeped in immoality (polygamy) and racism again blacks CANNOT be of GOD...Go to this site on your pc: WHY WE LEFT...hear over 700 (and still counting) testimonies from mormons who left after discovering things the church concealed from its members...some are long-time tithers, some former bishops, some missionaries (NOW in true-believing christian churches)..
The difference between 'Mormon culture' and the gospel is even clearer. Knowing the difference makes the silliness of closed-minded individuals much easier to take.
It is hard to take the small scale of thinking in a mere human when compared to an all knowing all loving God. Who is qualified to judge for God?
Why not propose an amendment to ban coffee while banning gay marriage? Why must we legislate our standards on non-mormons? I don't get it.
I was a bit nervous when I started watching this video, but you really do hit the nail on the head at some points. I think, at least in my opinion, people need to understand that it's not the church itself that is at fault, but its MEMBERS! I know you pointed that out, but I think it's so easy for people to confuse the two.
To be honest I get a similar weird feeling and hostility, akin to what you describe, when I'm blocked or banned or my comments are deleted for asking questions or questioning assertions or peoples perspectives or feelings with regard to their lifestyle choice.
In fact I don't know if when I hit post comment on here if it will register because of past deletions you've made of my comments.
As I have gotten older (68 now) I wonder often just how much difference for the better Christian or Mormon or other religion really makes in one`s life. So many of this world`s really fine people have no concern for faith matters yet often they outdo most Christians or Mormons in virtues & generosity. I`ve met folks whose conversion to Christ makes huge change in life, but, really, not many; sometimes change is transitory. Good people seem to be so because of whom they are to begin with.
gbantock 1 month ago
I am an apostate of long standing, too. I left the L.D.S. at 12 or 13. I saw through its chief doctrinal weakness even at that early age. I had no sex problem; this was before puberty, which made things easier for a gay guy! I am glad that I never had to endure the tortures of so many gay Mormons!
gbantock 1 month ago
Oh, shut up and stop winging. Homosexuals are so vindictive and angry when things don't go their way. It's a selfish dirty practice and you know it.
MrMFHORN 4 months ago
I completely agree with you! I have always felt the strangeness that many members of the LDS Church whom I've been around have acted in regards to "sensitive" situations such as people leaving the LDS Church and the judging which has taken place because of it. I am a current member of the LDS Church but I feel I am on my way out.
nohoch33 7 months ago
Everyone in a religion is an apostate. Religion and god exist just for people who do not have sufficient faith in themselves.
blabbyblah1 8 months ago
why can't the church leave me alone? allow me to marry just as they have the right to. please, mormons: just leave me alone!
wwwallaceboy 1 year ago
@wwwallaceboy: It's not the Church who make the Laws and Commandments...It's the Lord God!!!
If you and ppl like you decided to choose immorality over keeping God's commandments, then you have no right to down the Church...any church! You have to live with the consequences of your choice. What does it say in the Bible?...Choose God or die. (Which means a spiritual death) Good luck.
Yunginspirit 9 months ago
Jesus loves you man!!! That's all we can say..
Chinaculiacan 1 year ago
I agree with alot of your points. I do belive there is alot of fear domaniant belief in the church as well as close mindedness. I am an active member, educated in theology and philosophy. "Faith"or Conviction opossed to belief is why I would embrace a search for truth than fallow opinions. That being said, I understand why Mormons would be upset at a desire to apostatize, and disagree that they should be accepted. There is a sense of betrayed trust as if a brother left a family that loved him.
b3n8m3 1 year ago
Well said, keep up the good work.
theoptionator 1 year ago
The lingo in this video was extremely Utahn.
dr0dread 1 year ago
It's not that they cannot leave it alone, the simply want to spread the churches lies to others and let them know that they also have been lied to. It's that simple! The foundation of lies have impacted the believer and they simply want to spread the truths of which they have learned. Who would not want to know they have been lied to? The church hates that people are actually thinking on their own and actually learning true church history instead of the santa clause version.
DivineMagixWorld 1 year ago
Dear lawrenzz may G-D bless you,
It's very compelling the treatment of others who in some way fail(in the eyes of
the church) to live up to the "law". It reminds me of how the Pharisees treated
those around them who they perceived to be outside the law, with disdain if not
contempt! This sort of behavior tended make Christ go ballistic. The Gospels
are repleat with such instances! The encounter with the"Sirophonecian Woman",
the "Good Samaritan" are two that come to mind.
blainebill39 1 year ago
It's all right when you relate the human perspective of leaving the Church.
On the other hand, when you say on YouTube, for instance, that you are a active, believing member of the Church you will soon find a drove of anti-Mormon vultures around you who try to hit your faith as hard as possible to make you leave the Church. About them the question, "why don't they simply leave us alone?", is justified.
Maybe some people think "he's left the Church, so he must be an anti-Mormon now".
Troul478 1 year ago
long-winded gobblety-gook about internal mental problems. Just leave the stupid church and live your life as a free-thinker and be happy instead of boring.
tijeffe 1 year ago
What's the reason ex momos won't leave the church alone? How about friends and family ending up in hell? I would say that's reason enough.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
Excuse me...I drink beer and smoke cigarettes...and I continue to go to church every sunday...we must change our perceptions about the church. I smoke cigarettes on my way to teach primary class because I was the only one worthy enough. I know I am doing wrong...but I still do good and I will never give up. We need people like you more than ever. You seem to understand. I stay in the church because God loves me no matter what I do.
IndigoCharlie 1 year ago 2
That last statement you made regarding the leaving and coming into the church that it should be met and regarded with as much loving respect is extraordinary!
yogangel7 1 year ago
I can see why you left...you are a queer..that is obvious.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
@imtherealthing You are a moron.
thisfreakingname 1 year ago
I think Clark makes some great points that, if taken to heart, could help any church.
mercabee 2 years ago
good point. they vilify apostates. It is so easy for them to do this when we aren't allowed to talk about what happened and why we feel this way.
bababybwoo 2 years ago
if they leave the church over doctrinal issues, and find Jesus as He is in the Bible, they are bound by a holy commandment to witness Christ to all who do not know Him, as best they can.
apologeticsman 2 years ago
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rustor84 2 years ago
I beleive in god and jesus. FUCK RELIGION AND CHURCH. all u have to do is good in life and and be good to people.
darkveroth 2 years ago
ex mormons are still interested in mormon faith. That's why they still talked about it. They can't get over with that, bad or good. Thanks to them for helping spread the words..
oncom2008 2 years ago
That letter you read was correct. You are trying to justify your leaving the church and are victimizing yourself. Alot of gay persons have issues with being victimized. In retro, maybe the LDS was helping you. And once there, you realize it's not for you- so you left it. NOW CLOSE THAT CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE. BTW, I am not a member of the LDS nor interested. I just noticed that you need to move on because it's YOU that keeps the LDS "torturing" your conscience. Sorry.
AP0media0saavy 2 years ago
'Alot of gay persons have issues with being victimized.'
Yes, all wounds leave scars. So should we keep on wounding our children by shaming them for being different?
Would you say that many Native Americans also have issues, many single moms, etc etc etc? This is not love. This is not seing the human struggle of the person. The reason people have issues is because of unresolved stuff in their past. Most gay people grow up knowing they are different while surrounded by misunderstanding.
mercabee 2 years ago
That you for you video. I think its hard for a person to leave a religion, is because you have friends and family and you have invested a lot in the religion, and he concept of hell expectancy, when you leave is paralizing. I gues there must be more reasons, but I wanted to adress these. Good luck!
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
Thank you for this video. It has helped me SO much.
sarapiork 2 years ago
ExMormons are like Consumer Reports. Better check with them first before you but!
exmoagogo 2 years ago
You are too all-consumed by Mormonism. You are using its concepts and terminology even to apologetically "make yourself seem like a legitimate compassionate "good-guy" figure to THEM, SPECIFICALLY.
I know you're conscientious, but I'd like to compassionately shock you out of your present place of dependency: GROW UP! The world if full of much more than Mormonism. Simply, grow up. Leave it. I'm not a mormon, but am gay too--many of us have had these religious issues: Pursue objectivity.
cpmkw 2 years ago
Good for you, Clark.
Those of us who have left dogmatic (and often oppressive) belief systems have the right and probably even the duty to talk about our journeys. Sincere seekers who wake up inside a dogmatic religious context FEEL TERRIBLY ALONE, as I'm sure you know only too well.
What you're doing here is SO HELPFUL to sincere seekers who are honestly trying to find their way.
Please--PLEASE--don't stop your important work here.
BecomePassersby 2 years ago
Excellent video! All the best in your future! -EMF
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
one reason ex lds can't leave it alone is....... If they are born again they
probably "love what God love's and hate
what God hates" God hates lies.
halloyellow 2 years ago
I am 60 years-old. I left the LDS Church at the age of 57. I was married in the Salt Lake Temple. We were both returned missionaries. My wife is still a member but supports my decision. I left the Church because I could no longer rationalize my beliefs concerning evolution, modern cosmology, and certain social issues with the teachings of the Church. Leaving the Church is often the result of many years of deep, serious thought. Being gay is no sin. Being an intellectual coward is.
MichaelCarlEaton 2 years ago
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being gay is against the Law of God, Perhaps if you were to seek the Lord instead Joe Smith you would get the real spirit from God! Mormons never get truth from the church, so they tend to give up on God instead of seeking God's truth.
splitspeeds 2 years ago
Dude you are totally GAY!!!
Fatboy010100 2 years ago
Why Mormons leave the Church but do not leave it alone? Because they know the blasphemous lies perpetrated by the Church in the name of Christ and they cannot stomach the idea of others being suckered in as they once were without doing something to warn them.
The Only True Church? The Only Church with the Authority to Baptize? The only Church with the Legitimate Priesthood? Gee you wonder why ex-Mormons don't just walk away once they come to know the Truth?
Because they are Christians dudes!
maximusjay 2 years ago
Yeah gotto agree with you on this, he's a nancy boy for sure and an apostate one at that too!!
oribear 2 years ago
What church was Joseph Smith an "apostate" from?--Methodism? How about Oliver Cowdry? PPPrat? The Whitmers? EVERY Mormon alive today has an apostate in their family tree. You'd think they'd go a little easier on their condemnations...
1MoNoMo 3 years ago
Well said, Clark! Kudos and high fives!
I, too am an "apostate". I have read many stories of other apostates and their journey out of Mormonism. As a result of the shunning, and evil speaking said of them by the "chosen ones", I have come to the conclusion that the oft heard saying, "Apostates can leave the church but they can't leave it alone" is somewhat true, but so is this saying, "You can leave Mormonism, but Mormons can't leave YOU alone"--thru rumor mongering and general harassment.
1MoNoMo 3 years ago
Lol, but Mormon church is torture. hahaha! lol :) calm down, don't get angry you self-righteous do-gooders!
djTHORAK 3 years ago 2
People who leave the LDS church ALWAYS have to justify their action. They are ALWAYS and FOREVER in this mode. Apostasy from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is an act of insecurity. Joseph Smith NEVER took the insecure route. He gave his very life for the testimony that he bore to the world. I hope someday Clark comes back.
pharosbeacon 3 years ago
..Make you too come to know the freedom that the truth brings...God was NEVER ambivalent about polygamy being adultery even if some old test. prophets practiced it...Even the 1830 book of mormon confirmed that in pg 111vs 23-24 but then joseph smith confirmed he was a false prophets even to his early church members by 'changing the "mind of god" when he added lust as well as mind control still symptomatic of the mormon church today...
dimtry19 3 years ago
good for you brother in coming out of the mormon church God in all his might is going to crush this church in all her pride.
Utube7372009 3 years ago
Wow Lawrenzzz .. it's not judgement, stop letting it weigh on your heart so much. I went through a similar situation with a friend of mine Kamila.. It was horrific! She was devistated, like getting x communicated from a cult!
I grew up in a Christian home (Originally Baptist and then non-denominational) My parents were missionaries, but I just haven't had a calling to be "active" in religion.
I hope you don't struggle with this too much more! As always, I remain, Respectfully Yours,
-LA
LAdamGardner 3 years ago
It breaks my heart to see such great people, be torn apart by shunning that is born from -- as you say-- over simplification. I'm glad you chose to live life fully and honestly. You're a powerful example to those who feel trapped and worthless. Catholics have/are going through the same, at LEAST as bad. I feel Mormons will adapt and change. As their kids go out into the world, they'll have to. Until then it's great that some kids will hear your message and feel hope instead of despair.
puckf17 3 years ago
I brought this up in Elders Quorum the other week and got some odd looks. It was this idea that I am a Christian first and a Mormon second. I converted to Christ before I met Mormon Missionaries and My Mormonism could one day be taken away just for speaking my mind but My Christianity will always be with me. My Church may one day reject me but Christ never will
rd1999 3 years ago 4
Coffee, it is delicioso but it is forboden!
GiftoAll 3 years ago 3
what?? Mormons can't drink coffee?? No wayy!!
fromthelandofuruk 3 years ago 2
it's the same for apostates from all religions: funny how all these religions who hate each other can't see how much they have in common
fromthelandofuruk 3 years ago 5
You're absolutely right. When active Mormons talk about people who leave or go inactive, it's always "their" fault, and the problem never lies with the Church. It's such a tragic worldview.
timonline2000 3 years ago 11
@timonline2000: Hey, Those who leave the Church or go inactive make a choice to do so! It is their own fault if they are complaining and unhappy now. They have lost the Spirit of the Lord.
Yunginspirit 9 months ago
Clark, the church is so powerful but true. It is just a very good church. Because when it rejects homosexuals and tries for any way to stop them be happy, it is an evil church.
It is evil when use money and campaigns to discredit and despite gays.
The Jesus Christ's plan was free will, and Lucifer's was to enforce "the good to others." The last one is the present plan from the church, to impose its will over others even they are not Mormons.
JTony 3 years ago
As an active member of the LDS church I would like to say that while I am still undecided on how I feel about the issue of gay members I would like to say to you Clark that after only listening to a few of your video blogs I am very impressed at how well spoken you are and well educated in the church you are. I agree with how you present your opinions and I agree with alot of what you say. You are an extremly gifted speaker.
sapooler05 3 years ago 5
..Sadly, some former mormons are now agnostics and atheists from the damage inflicted on them by the false teaching of the mormon church..some GLADLY wear as a badge of honor that ridiculous mormon excommunication bit ..the 1800's are not that long ago..when i read the words of brigham young (a "prophet") distorting old testament narrative to justify racism against blacks its like hearing words right out of the mouth of satan...creey and despicable..(journal of discourses vol.7 pg 290-291).
dimtry19 3 years ago 2
Clark be grateful to GOD that he opened your spiritual eyes...A church that at itS very INCEPTION was ALREADY steeped in immoality (polygamy) and racism again blacks CANNOT be of GOD...Go to this site on your pc: WHY WE LEFT...hear over 700 (and still counting) testimonies from mormons who left after discovering things the church concealed from its members...some are long-time tithers, some former bishops, some missionaries (NOW in true-believing christian churches)..
dimtry19 3 years ago
Things are better out of the 'Wasatch Front'
The difference between 'Mormon culture' and the gospel is even clearer. Knowing the difference makes the silliness of closed-minded individuals much easier to take.
It is hard to take the small scale of thinking in a mere human when compared to an all knowing all loving God. Who is qualified to judge for God?
Why not propose an amendment to ban coffee while banning gay marriage? Why must we legislate our standards on non-mormons? I don't get it.
bitherwack 3 years ago 2
Wow, Clark!
I was a bit nervous when I started watching this video, but you really do hit the nail on the head at some points. I think, at least in my opinion, people need to understand that it's not the church itself that is at fault, but its MEMBERS! I know you pointed that out, but I think it's so easy for people to confuse the two.
MohoinTX 3 years ago
To be honest I get a similar weird feeling and hostility, akin to what you describe, when I'm blocked or banned or my comments are deleted for asking questions or questioning assertions or peoples perspectives or feelings with regard to their lifestyle choice.
In fact I don't know if when I hit post comment on here if it will register because of past deletions you've made of my comments.
HiveRadical 3 years ago
"why can't someone who leaves the Church leaves the church alone?"
you can't leave it alone because it pricks you like a conscious. It isn't always bad, but can be bad if you turn it into HATE, DISTORTION and LIES!
omiolo 3 years ago