Being good with Viper is like being good with Cammy, not that they're alike in fighting styles. It just requires a high level of precision and execution, plus good timing. They're rush down and mix-up games are what I love about them, and used by someone who knows that, they can be really impressive.
Yea Gief is kind of OP, against noobs and fairly skilled players alike. I mean, his health is ridiculous, lariat goes through projectiles and has huge priority/damage as well as pile driver + banishing flats. HK Diagonal is great. He's not as cheap as Sagat but Gief usually has the advantage right off the bat.
@HXCpr0n Yeah but Gief has match-ups that are like 7-3 or 6-4 and not in his favor (mainly the defensive zoning masters of the game). Gief is strong, but only up close, Like Honda. Lariat is great for fireballs and green hand is necessary to advance across the stage against certain opponents. ^_^
ya, Gief isn't too fun to play as, you either win by a mile or get your ass handed to you by someone who just knows how long his animations last. The only good thing is that the A.I. cant handle his lariat and it makes all the noobonians online just spam LB over and over. My boxer can finally whup anything less then severe mixup geifies.
been there my friend, I main akuma, and playing a gief is hard because with two pile drivers, im practically done, and as you say scrubs tend to just mas the lariat but i found that akumas demon flip kick beats the lariat, and so, only really good mix up gief can beat me, lol
This is pure truth, gief is my main and my favorite character but damn capcom gotta do something about his match ups, they are either really good or really bad. If they can make him more like abel or ryu(cause i think those are the 2 most balanced players) ill be happy.
I dont enjoy getting owned by sagats and blankas but i enjoy owning fei longs and roses even less.
hmmm.....I'm gonna have to say Dashio. People say Fryo is the best Viper, but Dashio fights way cooler than any other viper I've seen. But I'll admit, Joe's Double Cancel combo is pretty hot.
You mean best American Viper? Japanese Viper players are way better than Kryojenix or any other American. Not trying to hate, it's just those guys are on a different level when it comes to Viper play. Check out Uryo, Dashio, Kindevu, Kaqn, and FZ for some top Viper play.
Hey thanks bro, I'll remember that next time I play as abel, who is my main. Abel is an in your face and aggressive character as well. Zangief is just better at it. It's just a bad matchup, thats all.
Oh you play Abel? Haha. That's all you had to say. Gief owns Abel. I play Ryu and Viper and Gief isn't that hard for either of them, although easier with Ryu.
Hey no shit dude, if you would actually read my comments you would understand. Abel is close up, as is Zangief, but Zangief is better. No duh its easy to beat him with Ryu and Viper, they both have ranged attacks. I was trying to go back to being nice, but guess not. Fuck you.
Weird, how can you say that Gief isn't hard for Viper? That's Viper's WORST match up. Gief and Honda own viper most of the times, ESPECIALLY Gief cuz his spinning Lariat goes through EVERYTHING Viper can throw at him.
Zangief is the most overpowered motherfucker in the game, and its so easy to just get up in someone's face and repeatadly rotate the control stick and press the punch button. Fuck him.
Nope... his spinning lariats are very easy to punish with just about any character in the game, given you time it correctly. Normals also fuck it up... example being Chun or Sagat's fierce kicks.
Dude honestly, I know exactly what you are talking about, unfortunatly I'm one of those people that get angered easily and when I'm angered my skill level decreases greatley, so if a noob is annoying enough he can wind up beating me. You also have to admit Zangief is horribly overpowered.
eh I don't know if I'm going to go /w him being overpowered, but he is definatly better then most characters in the game. And yea, losing to scrubs sucks. Nothing good about it.
Sounds like you need to learn how to get the dick out your ass. You dont even know how these fights happen. Most of the time I am the aggresive one and they use the lariat and grabs to counter me. Btw what the fuck are you talking about, command grabs are faster than back dashes, the only way that would work is if i predicted his grab. If i am in his face and he grabbed, even attempting to back dash would be futile, cuz he would grab first.
You can't be aggressive against Gief. If you try to rush him down, yeah I'd agree that he's overpowered, but that's not how he should be played against. If you are trying to get in his face and fight then you're just an idiot and deserve to lose.
i wish ya'll would start uploading videos of the actual people playing. I'd very like to see some of these high level players, and see what they're like when they're playing.
or even if ya'll had like some interviews after each match.
that was pretty dumb of the viper player to try and focus attack zangief on the wake up. its so easy to counter them when hes waking up. viper should have backdashed focus cancelled and let gief open himself up
If you watch closely he does backdash out of the focus attack but Giefs green hand travels far enough to hit. I agree that the focus attack was dumb though ESPECIALLY on Gief with wakeup command grabs aplenty.
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terrible geif, he had way to many opportunities for lp. spd. That lightning fist isn't safe if blocked. He got a couple meaty crossups but failed to connect any combos. Spamming lariat does nothing but leave your ass wide open, there's no reason for random lariats. Should have baited those ultras too instead of running head first like a crazy person.
All the "c.viper is S+" lists are nonsense imo. Viper is only S+ when the player is S+. In order to be so insane with viper, you have to perform instant carpel tunnel inducing motions. While other characters (sagat) can juggle into their ultra from just about any of their moves. Even freaking normals. Or characters (like gief) have "i'm invincible while i do this attack thats anti air, mid hitting, AND low hitting" I've been lariated out of gyro drive smashers,wasn't even mad, just astonished.
"Statiscally" C. Viper was definitely ranked in the same tier as Sagat (S+) where as Zangief was floating between S and A, still top tier nonetheless, but C. Viper is nasty
Awesome Viper play. Such a disadvantage against Zangief, he takes off a ridiculous amount of health. I love how in the last match Kryo held off witht he patience and discipline of a monk. certainly paid off.
Viper is not cheesy. Her moves have a bunch of openings and her ratings aren't that great. If at any consultation, she deserves to be cheesy. She's low tier.
Oh, yeah i had to take some time off to go, i might only go for the first day, but its better than nothing. then i think i wont be in any more big tournys till evo.
viper looks good in white
kasumimoon1961 10 months ago
nice quality
mrgingles 1 year ago
Being good with Viper is like being good with Cammy, not that they're alike in fighting styles. It just requires a high level of precision and execution, plus good timing. They're rush down and mix-up games are what I love about them, and used by someone who knows that, they can be really impressive.
Ravenex2 1 year ago
Yea Gief is kind of OP, against noobs and fairly skilled players alike. I mean, his health is ridiculous, lariat goes through projectiles and has huge priority/damage as well as pile driver + banishing flats. HK Diagonal is great. He's not as cheap as Sagat but Gief usually has the advantage right off the bat.
HXCpr0n 2 years ago
@HXCpr0n Yeah but Gief has match-ups that are like 7-3 or 6-4 and not in his favor (mainly the defensive zoning masters of the game). Gief is strong, but only up close, Like Honda. Lariat is great for fireballs and green hand is necessary to advance across the stage against certain opponents. ^_^
Ravenex2 1 year ago
This gief looses momentuem quick. Shows desperation when his hope is lost. Dumb rush ins that cost him to get dealth with meaty combos.
Limited317 2 years ago
january 11, 2009.
RiceLUMFAO 1 year ago
stupid spamgief...
DumbOwl 2 years ago
What the fuck you want him to do? spam hadoukens?
Limited317 2 years ago
i want him to dress in a bikini and do the percolator
DumbOwl 2 years ago
ya, Gief isn't too fun to play as, you either win by a mile or get your ass handed to you by someone who just knows how long his animations last. The only good thing is that the A.I. cant handle his lariat and it makes all the noobonians online just spam LB over and over. My boxer can finally whup anything less then severe mixup geifies.
hiPlasma 2 years ago
I've played some really good Zangiefs, but I agree he's really boring to play.
zxain 2 years ago
been there my friend, I main akuma, and playing a gief is hard because with two pile drivers, im practically done, and as you say scrubs tend to just mas the lariat but i found that akumas demon flip kick beats the lariat, and so, only really good mix up gief can beat me, lol
ajesed 2 years ago
This is pure truth, gief is my main and my favorite character but damn capcom gotta do something about his match ups, they are either really good or really bad. If they can make him more like abel or ryu(cause i think those are the 2 most balanced players) ill be happy.
I dont enjoy getting owned by sagats and blankas but i enjoy owning fei longs and roses even less.
hazeddon 2 years ago
4:40 WTF?
AERoVALKYRiE 2 years ago
lol. His EX Banishing flat is also an evasion move and can evade certain ultras.
residentevilrulz 2 years ago
Gief is for douche-bags...
KirbyOnCronic 2 years ago
HELL YEAH! i agree with that. People who use Gief only play to win. He's not fun at all.
shiningwizard327 2 years ago
joe c is still the best viper out there ^_^
pinoyboi4u 2 years ago
hmmm.....I'm gonna have to say Dashio. People say Fryo is the best Viper, but Dashio fights way cooler than any other viper I've seen. But I'll admit, Joe's Double Cancel combo is pretty hot.
Kenshin6321 2 years ago
funniest thing i've seen at 2:05 when viper pulls off a combo and then Zangief just smacks her sideways at about 2:13
jewishlilboy 2 years ago
Best Viper I've seen.
d3f1anc3 2 years ago
You mean best American Viper? Japanese Viper players are way better than Kryojenix or any other American. Not trying to hate, it's just those guys are on a different level when it comes to Viper play. Check out Uryo, Dashio, Kindevu, Kaqn, and FZ for some top Viper play.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
Yea I've been watching FZ for a while now on another YouTube channel... he is really impressive.
d3f1anc3 2 years ago
Yeah he's a beast. All of those guys I listed are incredible. Uryo might be my favorite. Dashio is nasty too.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
Hey thanks bro, I'll remember that next time I play as abel, who is my main. Abel is an in your face and aggressive character as well. Zangief is just better at it. It's just a bad matchup, thats all.
Cherrypoppins18 2 years ago
Oh you play Abel? Haha. That's all you had to say. Gief owns Abel. I play Ryu and Viper and Gief isn't that hard for either of them, although easier with Ryu.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
Hey no shit dude, if you would actually read my comments you would understand. Abel is close up, as is Zangief, but Zangief is better. No duh its easy to beat him with Ryu and Viper, they both have ranged attacks. I was trying to go back to being nice, but guess not. Fuck you.
Cherrypoppins18 2 years ago
Haha. You're a youtube badass.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
Well that was obviously irrelevant. Just forget it man, you've either run out of things to say or your just an imbecile.
Cherrypoppins18 2 years ago
Weird, how can you say that Gief isn't hard for Viper? That's Viper's WORST match up. Gief and Honda own viper most of the times, ESPECIALLY Gief cuz his spinning Lariat goes through EVERYTHING Viper can throw at him.
Kenshin6321 2 years ago
Bison, Gief, and Honda are about the same for her. None are THAT bad. None are as bad as Abel vs Gief.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
vipers worst matchup is dictator cuz hk beats everything
mikolyyyy 2 years ago
doesn't beat vipers low electric knuckle
Kenshin6321 2 years ago
but viper still gets owned by bison
mikolyyyy 2 years ago
but this is viper vs Gief?!?!
SunStyles 2 years ago
Zangief is the most overpowered motherfucker in the game, and its so easy to just get up in someone's face and repeatadly rotate the control stick and press the punch button. Fuck him.
Cherrypoppins18 2 years ago 2
Nope... his spinning lariats are very easy to punish with just about any character in the game, given you time it correctly. Normals also fuck it up... example being Chun or Sagat's fierce kicks.
d3f1anc3 2 years ago
And as for his grabs... eh. Just read the person, and stay away from that character on the wakeup.
d3f1anc3 2 years ago
Dude honestly, I know exactly what you are talking about, unfortunatly I'm one of those people that get angered easily and when I'm angered my skill level decreases greatley, so if a noob is annoying enough he can wind up beating me. You also have to admit Zangief is horribly overpowered.
Cherrypoppins18 2 years ago
eh I don't know if I'm going to go /w him being overpowered, but he is definatly better then most characters in the game. And yea, losing to scrubs sucks. Nothing good about it.
d3f1anc3 2 years ago
He's not overpowered. Sounds like you need to learn how to play against him better. Backdash owns all of his grabs, and lariat is so punishable.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
Sounds like you need to learn how to get the dick out your ass. You dont even know how these fights happen. Most of the time I am the aggresive one and they use the lariat and grabs to counter me. Btw what the fuck are you talking about, command grabs are faster than back dashes, the only way that would work is if i predicted his grab. If i am in his face and he grabbed, even attempting to back dash would be futile, cuz he would grab first.
Cherrypoppins18 2 years ago
You can't be aggressive against Gief. If you try to rush him down, yeah I'd agree that he's overpowered, but that's not how he should be played against. If you are trying to get in his face and fight then you're just an idiot and deserve to lose.
DigitalShaolin 2 years ago
both players showed incredible skill.
testtube173 2 years ago 2
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Mike Ross is garbage every video he looses and he plays like a scrub
iJames90 2 years ago
could it be possibe that a Geif 360d your mother while she was pregnant, because you have serious fucking brain damage.
Shinownd 2 years ago 5
the Viper player was insane!
916monkey 2 years ago
Is it just me or does that Viper look different? Guile, in another video, looked odd too.
Llyud 2 years ago 2
i wish ya'll would start uploading videos of the actual people playing. I'd very like to see some of these high level players, and see what they're like when they're playing.
or even if ya'll had like some interviews after each match.
philhuddy 2 years ago 3
the better fighter won!!!!! good play!!!
anthonyyaboyant 2 years ago
that was pretty dumb of the viper player to try and focus attack zangief on the wake up. its so easy to counter them when hes waking up. viper should have backdashed focus cancelled and let gief open himself up
BloodyHarry456 2 years ago
If you watch closely he does backdash out of the focus attack but Giefs green hand travels far enough to hit. I agree that the focus attack was dumb though ESPECIALLY on Gief with wakeup command grabs aplenty.
ANDERU4YOU 2 years ago 3
Jesus christ.
That C.Viper is fucking sick.
smokeeeeeeeee 2 years ago 3
Wait so who won the match? The Zangief won the first game then the Viper won the second. But who won the whole match?
papermarkis 2 years ago
This.
SindarinElealar 2 years ago
Holy sh*t and that C.Viper player. o_O
AMAZING.
cookiehours 2 years ago
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terrible geif, he had way to many opportunities for lp. spd. That lightning fist isn't safe if blocked. He got a couple meaty crossups but failed to connect any combos. Spamming lariat does nothing but leave your ass wide open, there's no reason for random lariats. Should have baited those ultras too instead of running head first like a crazy person.
Seaoftea 2 years ago
should follow with the ex lighting fist right after the 3xkick lariat.......
g8daniel822 2 years ago
Lightning fist is safe
UnknownEnemy 2 years ago
5:10 is the moment where mike ross turned into "i'm just a shanagan player". He lost his cool and just started spamming lariats even more.
Blastaar7 2 years ago
Uh... he just did it twice in a row there and never again the rest of the match.
zerojayzero 2 years ago
He was spamming lariats the whole match, he didn't start doing it
CamTheKitty 2 years ago
Usually only to counter the seismic hammers.
smokeeeeeeeee 2 years ago
All the "c.viper is S+" lists are nonsense imo. Viper is only S+ when the player is S+. In order to be so insane with viper, you have to perform instant carpel tunnel inducing motions. While other characters (sagat) can juggle into their ultra from just about any of their moves. Even freaking normals. Or characters (like gief) have "i'm invincible while i do this attack thats anti air, mid hitting, AND low hitting" I've been lariated out of gyro drive smashers,wasn't even mad, just astonished.
Blastaar7 2 years ago 7
i love this comment from instant carpel tunnel down lmao
ppalm 2 years ago
No respect for zangief players who fight, but when they don't know what to do, just start spamming lariats.
Blastaar7 2 years ago
nice EXBK to beat the Lariat at 0:50
ashjudd 3 years ago
Man that C viper dude is sick.
GLegend360 3 years ago 2
wow awesome C Viper player.
jumblejunkie 3 years ago 2
Very cool match.
I must say though, Viper's picture on the select screen looks a lot better on the console version.
kariido1 3 years ago
I'm glad someone else noticed that, I thought I was seein' things.
Nadrojsleek 2 years ago
suspense @ 4:40....
wasn't the outcome i was expecting though
JayRoyal7 3 years ago 4
wow just wow
joe6042 3 years ago
wow cviper player is awesome
digggert 3 years ago
Statistically C. Viper is way worse than Zangief.
thehouseofhoops 3 years ago
"Statiscally" C. Viper was definitely ranked in the same tier as Sagat (S+) where as Zangief was floating between S and A, still top tier nonetheless, but C. Viper is nasty
venom0237 3 years ago 3
2:00 "fuck meh"
migeru 3 years ago
that combo that he starts at :39 seconds is sweet, gotta test that one out
jamstrat 3 years ago
there are way better viper player in japan, just check youtube
g8daniel822 3 years ago
This Is the Best C.Viper Ive seen so farrr
Shoryuken25 3 years ago
look at some japanese c viper videos, they are way better.
OscarMaris 3 years ago
Not really. Ivan is on par with Kaqn and FZ, at the very least.
katsuranomaly 3 years ago
I disagree
Kryojenix15 3 years ago
SHUT UP KRYO D:<
katsuranomaly 3 years ago
Best C Viper in the US.
AnChanXD 3 years ago 6
that's badass how there was still lightning covering gief's body after he quickrolled from getting hit with the lightning punch.
rizhall 3 years ago
sexy viper
2Digitalism 3 years ago 2
Man he b1tch slapped her into submission in the first match =D
TheTrueRex 3 years ago
that owned how the dust had to clear
ttto 3 years ago 3
Awesome Viper play. Such a disadvantage against Zangief, he takes off a ridiculous amount of health. I love how in the last match Kryo held off witht he patience and discipline of a monk. certainly paid off.
Daemonocracy 3 years ago
Viper lookin good u ya. Another character i will pick up. I will definitely be using that combo that juggles for Ultras.
pacoveli 3 years ago
Nice SPD setup at 0:51
KoopaKoot 3 years ago
Wow, those were extremely impressive Viper skills considering her matchup with Gief is 3-7, at a huge disadvantage there
BlindDeafandMute 3 years ago 3
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great match i just hate viper she is cheesy as hell
danewjun 3 years ago
Viper is not cheesy. Her moves have a bunch of openings and her ratings aren't that great. If at any consultation, she deserves to be cheesy. She's low tier.
sablesoul 3 years ago 5
shes ranked top tier now S class
MoNoXiD3 3 years ago
The character select theme is top.
petujaymz 3 years ago 6
very nice viper!
bl1ndr 3 years ago 4
yahhh video 94! what time they close? i might be there tommorow on za tuesday.
mysticnamja 3 years ago
damn crazy zangief EX bitch slap twice.
Bongtastic 3 years ago
Viper for low tier?
Wait a second...
mcnichoj18 3 years ago
Hey kyro whens the next time i can see you at AI? i will just talk to you on shoryuken
SF4socal 3 years ago
when you start spelling it right...:(
haha, seriously, i go to V94 more than AI as of late so i have no idea when my next appearance at AI will be
Kryojenix15 3 years ago
oops, spelling error.0_o Well i will probably see you at Denjin this weekend. gonna be packed
SF4socal 3 years ago
i won't be going to regionals. too busy this coming weekend
Kryojenix15 3 years ago
Oh, yeah i had to take some time off to go, i might only go for the first day, but its better than nothing. then i think i wont be in any more big tournys till evo.
SF4socal 3 years ago
ggs mike, you so money ;D
Kryojenix15 3 years ago
Ivan, your C.Viper is to good. See you at AI soon again...
ixismiffyixi 3 years ago
i cant wait to get street fighter 4 on ps3
redstar213la 3 years ago
I'm watching this on my ps3 right now
KanameTousen 3 years ago
4:41 lol, who got the KO?!
pasteymf 3 years ago 5
yeah same here I was like oh shit! who won!...lol I was hoping for C.Viper oh well
Fstrike 3 years ago
TOO HYPE
ShardZERO 3 years ago
That was a really awesome battle, so fun to watch! I'm sure it was even more intense at AI!
s0n1ch3r0 3 years ago
good shit ivan! keep it up with viper!
xbstx 3 years ago
1:28, very good follow up to her focus attack.
ArmedWolf001 3 years ago
I love C. Viper all the way great fighting style
bfizzy85 3 years ago
Nice matches, very entertaining.
Revakk 3 years ago
Wow that was a very tight battle. Too close for comfort.
BradRy2 3 years ago