Old footage of William Cheung performing Bil Jee and Chum Kil.

[wingchun1993]

i practise in William Cheung's wing chun style and i'm proud for this.

[DaiSiHingWood]

Ive been training in the TWC from William Cheung, Rick Spains improved modified version & Also in Yip Mans improved simplified system very thoroughly in all 3 systems & from what Ive learnt it taught me to use the WC techniques from S.L.T form in 3 different stances & 3 different attacking & defending range positions relevant to you opponent. IE size, speed, power of your opponent. All 3 are a credit to Wing Chun I believe. Just my thoughts tho not an answer to all of WC's in family issues lol

[hulkout666]

I don't know what the whole truth is behind William Cheung, but he is good. And guys who've trained under him can fight. I practice Moy Yat lineage Wing Chun and of course, I think it's very effective. But as I get older, I'm learning to look into other lineages like Foshan and Cheung's and combining it with mine. If people spent less time bickering and more time learning and communicating with others in the community, we as a whole would all get better.

[pleasantleethedragon]

I mean no disrespect to master Cheung. However, I am curious as to why Yip Man chose him to pass over the TWC instead of his two sons Chun and Ching or his nephew Lo Man Kam or his senior-most student Leung Sheung. Why him? Further, I don't see much divergence to the forms either. Close observation reveals that both the TWC and the allegedly "modified" forms are fundamentally the same. When others perform linear footwork, master Cheung follows diagonals.

[kaiya2]

@pleasantleethedragon

Yip Mans students who started training in the 40s in Foshan and then 50s, 60s, 70s in Hong Kong , all teach differently. Putting there own personality, experience and understanding on how they interpret the principles and techniques.

I think because of master William Cheung’s nature, athleticism and his willingness to fight and applied what Yip man taught him what ever that was help him to really sort what worked for him and what didn’t.

Sifu J

[pleasantleethedragon]

@kaiya2 Hmmmmmm. Okay :)

[kaiya2]

@pleasantleethedragon

Wing Chun is a constantly evolving principle based system and has been in a state of evolution since its creation.

[wckwoon]

@pleasantleethedragon Yip Man's sons were estranged from him. They blamed him for leaving their mom. Also William Cheung lived with Yip Man for around 3 years. He was the one that went the to Opium dens with Yip to watch his back from the bad element there. Also, W.m Cheung treated Yip Man's lady friend, Songlian as a surrogate mother when others looked down on her.

[pleasantleethedragon]

@wckwoon May be. But it is still hard to believe that a master would teach one version to one student and a different version to all other students. Besides I read that Yip Man's sons were reunited with their father at a later time.

[wckwoon]

@pleasantleethedragon It is a know fact that Yip Man taught different things to students based on their attributes.

[Tbonetiger21]

Did a seminar with William cheung awesome a true legend

[Metacool416]

@TwoGunGunnar

I know thats what the story line and bickering is about....and honestly I don't care about those trivialities.

I've studied both Leung Ting's system and Willeum Cheung's system and other mainstream versions and from my own personal experience and comparison, Willaum Cheung's system seems more energy efficient and economical.

Now I don't know if he just made his version up, but if he did just "make up" his own version of wing chun then I'd say his version is quite a ingenious.

[Metacool416]

All of you people whom are DISING William Cheung in these comment sections are doing so only out of political loyalty, favoritism and bias towards your own lineage, instead why don't you train hard in yours and if you thinks William's system is fake then go learn it and make a logical objective comparison between his and what you've learnt.

But no you'd rather talk bad about him behind the anonymity of youtube because you lack the courage to say this to the face of him or any of his students.

[robyhh]

Cheung's wing chun # 1 from YM's.

[WingChunLover2]

Anyone know what year this was filmed?

[WingChunLover2]

@wingchunwater I agree. This form matches his form on William Cheung's Wing Chun kung Fu series that was filmed probably 30 years later. Whatever he is teaching is consistent with what you get in class. 

[1GUNJAM1]

hmm are u sure that is william cheung ?

[TwoGunGunnar]

Regarding Cheung's training...

According to Chan Wing Lam:

"After moving from Hong Kong to Melbourne in the 1980s, I met with many of his former students including Nick Vergura. They attested to the fact that William was returning to Hong Kong for further training and this was in the late 1970s when he was teaching in Fitzroy. Gee his brother David Cheung even sent him the complete system as demonstrated by Wong Shun Leung so William could complete his training. "

[WingChunLover2]

For all you f-ing doubters. This thing had to have been filmed in the 60s. Ip Man hadn't made his film yet, so where did William Cheung learn these forms? Did he peek in the windows of Ip's academy. C'mon! I mean seriously, shut the fuck up or go challenge the man with your modified mess.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

"where did...learn these forms"

Well, considering Ip didn't teach these forms, we know he didn't learn them from Ip. He made them up. Anyone with Cheung's ~3 years of training from Ip Man & Wong Shun Leung could do that.

C'mon! I mean seriously, try using some basic logic here or shut the fuck up & go challenge Emin Boztepe with your modified, bastardized garbage.

[WingChunLover2]

@TwoGunGunnar You're an authority on what Ip taught too? Please tell us who you are master.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

Well, ALL of Ip's students (except for Cheung) do things basically the same way. ALL of them say that's the way Ip taught them to do it. That's also the way I was taught. My sifu says that's the way he was trained, & his sifu says that's the way he was trained by Ip Man. Meanwhile we have the footage of Ip doing the forms.

To suggest we don't know what Ip taught is to be willfully, deliberately obtuse. And stupid. Really, dude..you sound like a Holocaust denier or something.

[WingChunLover2]

@TwoGunGunnar Dude, you lie. I already pointed out a video from none other than Wong Sheung Leung where he did the Advanced Sil Lim Tao. It looks nothing like the Ip Man video. Why would he put that in there unless he knew some secret. Leung Bik was an outcast too from the Wing Chun community in Fushan. Good thing Ip Man found him, or did he? I mean, that's a pretty incredible story. Was he a liar too?

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

LOL, I lie, huh? What exactly am I lying about?

You might THINK WSL's vid doesn't look like Ip's but you are wrong. There's a couple minor tweeks according to WSL's personal style, but he's basically doing the same SLT as everyon else, & it's essentially the same form I was taught. And Wong never said there was any such thing as "Advanced SLT".

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

"Why would he put that in there unless he knew some secret"

Really? You think that's the ONLY explanation for variation? That's INSANE. Repeat: I N S A N E.

The sane answer: because that's how he did it. You dont need to know a "secret" to make a few minor tweeks according to your own preferences. Ip Ching's made a few tweeks here & there, but he'll say "Here's what I changed & here's why. You can do it this way or my father's way." Nothing wrong with that cuz its HONEST.

[WingChunLover2]

@TwoGunGunnar So, everyone can make tweaks except William Cheung. You can't base an argument on your hatred for him. You say William Cheung isn't doing Ip Man form, then you say all those other guys can makes changes. I can see this is a waste of time. Hate Willian Cheung if you want. Whenever you want to show us your 'real wing chun' please let me know. I aint seen shit though.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

"everyone can make tweaks except William Cheung."

If Cheung had said that his system is nothing like any of Ip's other students because he changed it, well, that would be fine. But he doesn't say that, does he?

Seriously, do you know what Cheung's claims are? Maybe you just haven't heard.

If he was just doing something diff't, that would be fine. The problem people have with him is NOT that he does something diff't, it's that he lies about where it comes from.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

& if you want to see my real WC, just watch any vid by Wong Shun Leung, Gary Lam, Jose Grados, Wayne Belonoha, Ip Ching, Chu Shong Tin, Sam Kwok, Hawkins Cheung, Wang Zhi Peng, Benny Meng, or Ip Man. Despite minor (key word: minor) variation, we all do the same system. Some of these guys are better than others, but at the end of they day they all do WC as taught by Ip Man. William Cheung does not.

[WingChunLover2]

@TwoGunGunnar OMG. TwoGunner, you still wandering the internet to bad-mouth William Cheung?

Do you have a job man?

[venom769]

@TwoGunGunnar LMAO if he made these forms up, then he's a genius. Where are YOU from? if you live in the East Coast, there are a few of us who can demonstrate for you how well these techniques work.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@venom769

Genius? No, not really. He thinks biu jee is for finger-strikes, & that's just dumb.

He DID have ~3 years training with Ip Man & Wong Shun Leung, & he got to watch all his seniors do what they were working on. He also got to hang with Chu Shong Tin & Hawkins Cheung,

Bruce Lee had about the same instruction from the same people & came up with JKD.

If you or I had the same 3 years instruction in basic WC with those people, we could have made up "Traditional Wing Chun" too.

[venom769]

@TwoGunGunnar tell me then, what does "Bie jee" mean? last time i checked, it was thrusting fingers! i believe you can verify that by asking someone who speaks Cantonese. do you know how ignorant you sound? if they aren't finger strikes, then tell me what they are really for then. i'd like to see a better application by those sad, out of shape sifus who have NO CLUE what to do and wave their fingers around like they have limp wrists.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@venom769

Pok sau means "slapping hand". Does that mean that pok sau is for slapping people in the face? "Bong sau" means "wing hand"...does that mean bong sau is for flying?

Biu jee/biu sau is for bridging & for regaining the line, not for stabbing the enemy with your fingertips.

But whatever. If you want to practice biu sau with the idea that you can stab someone in the eyes with your fingers and blind them go right ahead. Good luck with that.

[venom769]

@TwoGunGunnar actually, "slapping hand" gives a rough idea of what the block is like, which is a light redirection, which is close to a slap, as opposed to a rigid block. and the bong sau looks like a wing arm. your entire argument is flawed because you start with incorrect premises. furthermore, its your job to tell me what the application of the "thrusting fingers" are, if not finger strikes to the eyes, throat, neck, soft areas of the body. Cheung actually performs them as strikes in...

[venom769]

Respond to this video... (cont) the form, but many of the other sifus i see doing bill jee wave their fingers around with no intent, and i can't see what for, unless you can tell me...but i mean, i thought everyone knew the obvious, that wing chun doesn't rely on size and strength, but it's self defense that a smaller person can use on a bigger person. a small woman will be more successful using finger thrusts against a bigger, stronger man than using punches. bil jee is a natural extension

[cruse9]

Maybe you dont alter an art may be you have been taught one version of an art by one instructor and another version by another instructor and you can choose which one to teach and which one to keep. Note these are all possibilities. For Yip's motives you would have to know Yip almost as well as Yip knows Yip. So lets not go there where facts are near impossible to find.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@cruse9

One more time: If you actually believe that Ip deliberately trained ALL his students wrong on purpose for over 20 years (including people like Wong Shun Leung, Chu Shong Tin, Leung Sheung, & his own sons) while favoring one arrogant noobie teenager who was only around for a few years, then you are a gullible sucker.

Do you also believe Frank Dux won the "Kumite"? Do you believe Count Dante was trained by secret mystic Tibetan monks? Do you believe Ashida Kim is a real ninja?

[cruse9]

For sake of argument if Yip maintained his position as Grandmaster by not teaching his students the full art and he passed his art on to the next Grandmaster of his choosing. The art has passed from Grandmaster to Grandmaster going back to Ng Mui. So Yip kept up the Tradition and did what every other Grandmaster did and picked a person to pass onto. How do you remain faithful to your Tradition and still teach an art for an income? do you alter it a bit? dumb dumb dumb... I know...I know...I know

[cruse9]

I don't believe anything without facts. The only facts I have are from training both the Modified and the Traditional Wing Chun and not listening to history which is a distraction from the point of which art has better training. Both have merit however any art that does not have a balanced stance is either old and unscientific or altered. Who would practise standing like a cripple? The human form being cramped and distorted. A trick that worked to hide an art worked then and works now.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@cruse9

"I don't believe anything without facts."

OK, so you're saying you DON'T believe Cheung's story about being secretly trained in "real" "traditional" WC. Me neither. So we agreee on something.

I guess the difference between us is that I can't in good conscience support someone who lies to his students regardless of how good his system is or is not. I just can't support egomaniacal, self-described supermen. Apparently you don't care. More power to you.

[cruse9]

Twogungunner Secret means not shown to everyone. If you film something you have no control over who sees it. Cheung is the only one who mentions the existence of another version of Wing Chun. Yip Man had two masters Chan Wah Soon and Leung Bik. But only one Wing Chun??? Take two martial artists from any school and you will see differences in interpretation. Two instructors and only one Wing Chun???

[TwoGunGunnar]

@cruse9

Dumb dumb dumb.

Youre saying that Ip deliberately trained ALL his students in an inferior method for DECADES....he trained guys like Wong Shun Leung, Chu Shong Tin, Leung Sheung, & his own kids wrong on purpose for years and years but deemed one arrogant newbie teenager worthy of not-ripping-off?

That's FACE-PALMINGLY STUPID.

If you believe that you are just gullible. Cheung's a liar & you're a blindly credulous member of a cult of personality.

[cruse9]

None of these guys when they were learning were thinking if Bruce Lee makes it as a movie star in 20 years time and this stuff becomes of interest to Twogungunnar in 50 years time I better try and get some proof that I lived through this stuff so that Twogungunnar doesn't have to work out what Wing Chun methods he should practise all by himself.

[cruse9]

There is plenty of Proof that Cheung was involved in Wing Chun with Yip Man. You cannot introduce Bruce Lee to Yip Man if you don't know Yip Man. You cannot introduce Victor Kan to Yip Man if you don't know Yip Man. You cannot live in Yips house if you do not know Yip Man. Cheung living in Yips house is not disputed by Yip Chun only the length of time Cheung claims is disputed.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@cruse9

Of course Cheung went to Ip's school for a while, no one disputes that. It's his goofy gay-ass claims of "secret training" in "secret knowledge" that EVERYONE disputes.

As for Cheung living with Ip: It's disputed by EVERYONE. I do Ip Bros. WC & yes, Chun & Ching both dispute it. So does Victor Kan, & so did Wong Shun Leung, Chu Shong Tin, Leung Shun & everyone else. See the VTAA letter. Check out "116 Wooden Dummy Techniques" by Ip Chun. Whos lying? ALL of them, or just Cheung?

[WingChunLover2]

@TwoGunGunnar I don't dispute it. So not everyone I guess. Alot of those living a-holes don't like Cheung, so what. Most of them never left Hong Kong. Your only argument is that a bunch of a-holes wrote something down, and it must be fact. Hitler wrote a bunch of crap too. People like you try to get wars started!

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

"your only argument is that a buch of a-holes wrote something down..."

YOUR argument is that ONE a-hole told a story & it must be fact. Ashida Kim tells stories too. So does Frank Dux. So does Greg Park. The martial arts world is full of self-proclaimed "masters" who lie about their credentials & training & tell stupid stories about special, exclusive knowledge they gained through "secret training".

Only gullible morons & kids believe that kind of stuff.

[WingChunLover2]

@TwoGunGunnar Sounds like you have been hurt alot by a bunch of 'masters' Sorry for that. However, I never mentioned any of these people. William Cheung is the only target here, and he is for real. Is he the only Wing Chun person in the world, I doubt it. There is evidence for alot of his training, of course to see it you would need to meet him. He hasn't written a book yet called 'Ip and Me', but he knows the truth and has proof in his possession.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@WingChunLover2

Are you saying you DON'T believe that Ashida Kim's a real ninja, or that Frank Dux won the Kumite, or that Greg Park's ninja sword is an ancient family heirloom?

Why not? Shouldn't you believe them? That's what they all say, & technically speaking, there's no proof that Kim's not a real ninja, there's no proof Dux didn't win the Kumite, & there's no proof Parks sword isn't ancient.

Or do you believe all of it? Surely you have an opinion on those guys...let's hear it.

[cruse9]

Bruce was excluded from the Yip Man school because he was giving the seniors a hard time so they convinved Yip to get rid of him because of his 1/4 European ancestry. Xenaphobia. By all accounts Yip was a reluctant teacher teaching the first few to teach the rest. His income was reliant on his school. Most of his seniors after a couple of years practise were opening schools for of course finacial gain. But of course Yip continued to happily teach everything he knew. Not holding back a thing???

[cruse9]

Before Cheung made his claims in the early 1980's. The way Yip Man demonstates the forms in the footage of him is the way people thought Wing Chun was. Why think other wise we did nt know any different Wing Chun was Wing Chun. But was it? Just because we believe it doesnt mean it is the reality. Has anyone ever heard of martial artists holding back techniques. Teaching the inner circle of students one thing and everyone else something else holding back the knowledge that keeps them the GM?

[cruse9]

Williams claim is that he alone was taught the Traditional Version of Wing Chun which was a secret passed from Grandmaster to the next generation Grandmaster. The film of Yip Man doing Modified Wing Chun. Is not a reveal of the secret it is doing what everyone was doing in the Yip Man School Modified Wing Chun. Yip is weeks away from passing away when the footage is filmed. Yip is not doing it for himself he has been got up to do the forms by his students.

[cruse9]

The problem exists in Wing Chun because people only see what they want to see. Cheung is part of Wing Chuns history fact. It is not going to go away. So Wing Chun as a whole includes all versions.

[cruse9]

Wing Chun means different things to different people. If your instructor does it sliding around on the back foot that is your reality of Wing Chun. If your instructor teaches 50/50 weight distribution and stepping then that is your reality of Wing Chun. It is like mothers milk. Learn both versions of Wing Chun and then you know what Tradition has to offer. However there are better ways than what was being used 400 years ago anyway. Cheung s art has better co-ordination. WHY? BALANCE!!

[cruse9]

William Cheung teaches to fight at an angle to the opponent, to control the leading elbow. The Wooden Dummys design means that you attack it at an angle.  To stay off the line of force from your opponent. Everybody on the planet fights head on and usually the stronger or faster man wins. Wing Chun is preported to be scientific. Gaining a position of supiorior advantage at an angle makes sense, where you can hit your opponent whilst you control his balance. Whilst out of line of his force

[TwoGunGunnar]

@cruse9

Dude, these forms are not Wing Chun. Cheung says he was taught this stuff in secret by Ip Man. Clearly he's lying about that:

watch?v=0YnEm1zaUyE

watch?v=BVLs4tuayp0

watch?v=1ckHE4X8yUk

watch?v=j0WOEnxFyGA

watch?v=B4rDLWIddaU

[BillysWayIsNoWay]

Also i forgot to mention... When he actually did attend Yip Mans school, no one wanted to teach him, or more so, they were very reluctant to do so... Because of his trouble, and the way he was heading etc.

[kaiya2]

@BillysWayIsNoWay

You boys are wasting time unless you have trained with the man.

Don't look out of your selves for answers and don't blame others.

[BillysWayIsNoWay]

@kaiya2 Tell me... In what way have i looked out of myself for answers? And how have i blamed others. I merely gave a possible answer to TwoGunGunnar. Your response seems to have inadvertently shown your keen ability to jump to a defense. So why is that??

[kaiya2]

You look outside of your self into the rumour mill e.g. (Some may say that it came from his corrupt cop fathers connections). This as also disrespectful to Williams Father.

You say you merely give a possible answer or maybe rumour and here say.

I jump to defend not because yes, I am of Cheung Chuk Hing aka (William Cheung) lineage but because even though I do not have a relationship with him any more I still respect him as I respect all that train hard what ever school, style or method .

[kaiya2]

I believe Wing Chun is a constantly evolving principle based system and has been in a state of evolution since its creation.

Yip Man him self had three teachers some say four. 1st Chan Wah Shun who was very tall and strong man. And when he died 2nd Ng Chun So took over teaching him. Ng Chun So was Chan Wah Shuns first student and top disciple.

And some people say 3rd Yuen Kay San who was a good friend of Yip Man in Foshan.

[kaiya2]

When Yip Man was attending secondary school in Hong Kong, he then learnt from 4th Leung Bik the son of Dr Leung Jan. Leung Bik was much smaller and taught Yip Man differently to his first two teachers.

There are many different schools of Wing Chun with many different theories on what is or is not TRUE, CLASSICAL, TRADITIONAL, MODIFIED or AUTHENTIC.

[kaiya2]

Example the Non Yip Man Lineages such as :

Pan Nam Wing Chun, Vietnam Wing Chun, Chi Sim Weng Chun may seem and look quite different to other schools.

Get over your hang up with William Cheung and just train and you will feel a lot better.

Sifu J

[wckfo]

@kaiya2 Nicely said mate, my master (Sifu Rick Spain) trained under GM Cheung and became the world full contact champion 81-82. Wing Chun is surpose to evolve, i hate hearing people say; this WC system is the best system or you shouldnt change the WC system becoz its not surpose to change, man my Sifu always told us to research other styles.

[wckfo]

@kaiya2 WC has given me a great base/foundation, iv used it whilst working on pub doors and its worked for me everytime. I just think people have not more to do but whinge their ass's off. Stop hating and just train. Everyone is different, no one fights the same way and no one thinks alike, its just a good game of chess

[KiCreativeStudio]

@kaiya2 

Hear, hear. Well put.

[DizzyDerwish]

@kaiya2

Respect William Cheung?

I named my mok yan jong "Bill" after him!

[TwoGunGunnar]

@BillysWayIsNoWay

Cheung says he started at age 10, which would be in 1950. Problem with that is, even Cheung admits he started well after Wong Shun Leung, who started in 1952, which shows he's a liar right there. For a guy who lies so much, you'd think he'd be better at it.

In reality, he started around age 14-15, which would be around '52 or '55. He moved to Australia at age 18, so he had ~3 or 3.5 years of training. And his classmates describe his attendance as "intermittent".

[WingChunLover2]

@TwoGunGunnar Maybe he was a natural.

[MrSinantra]

@BillysWayIsNoWay Who told you that ?, is there proof ?.

[MrSinantra]

Lol for those who think his a con artist, think about the most important thing in Wing chun the Roll punch... This gentleman has the fuckin fastest i've ever seen. So conman or not learning that roll punch from the best of it is all i would care about if i was going to choose one of the wing chuns. The rest of the movements arent as important as it.

[BillysWayIsNoWay]

@MrSinantra Too say that the Wing Chun "Roll?" punch is the most important thing in Wing Chun is a massively incorrect judgement. Wing Chun uses tools, and each tool is just as important in regards to its relevancy. You wouldnt tell a builder his hammer is more important then his saw, would you?... Or would you?

[MrSinantra]

@BillysWayIsNoWay Look i can see where ur coming from, but all those 'tools' are useless unless that roll punch is mastered. My opinion anyway peace ?.

[Sinful225]

twogungunnar please learn your history of wing chun befor you comment, What ipman taught was two forms of wing chun he taught modified and he taught traditional to certain students , william was lucky enough to have lernt both from ipman and when he went to teach it himself he was given the opportunity to choose which one he would teach fortunatly for me, my sifu was taught traditonal wing chun from william!

[gameofdeath4288]

@Sinful225 and u, proofs also? Lolzzzzz....

[TwoGunGunnar]

This guy is a con.

Wherever these forms come from, it sure wasn't from Ip Man. 

[gameofdeath4288]

@TwoGunGunnar proof?

[TwoGunGunnar]

@gameofdeath4288

Exactly. Where's Cheung's proof? Where's the proof that he:

-started training at age 10

-lived with Ip Man

-was taught a whole different "unmodified", "traditional" version of WC

There should be some kind of evidence. A picture of a 10 or 11 year-old Cheung doing WC or a pic of Cheung & Ip hanging out at home, or 3rd party corroboration about "that kid living with Ip", or SOMETHING. But there's not. But we DO have that VTAA letter....

[venom769]

@TwoGunGunnar well then he's a "con genius", because his WC forms look a lot more dynamic and practical than everything else i see there is WC.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@venom769 "...his WC forms look a lot more dynamic..." Key word: "LOOK" Real WC is about directness & simplicity. All that extra "dynamic" movement Cheung added to the forms is redundant & worthless. The real forms contain just enough movements to serve as examples of more general concepts & principles. "Flash is trash", as they say. But don't take my word for it: watch?v=0YnEm1zaUyE watch?v=BVLs4tuayp0 watch?v=1ckHE4X8yUk watch?v=j0WOEnxFyGA watch?v=B4rDLWIddaU

[venom769]

@TwoGunGunnar It has nothing to do with being flashy. If you practice a form like William Cheung, with power, speed, intent, etc., you're more likely to fight that way. But for example, compare the Bil Jee form, and watch the modified guys waving their hands around where there are supposed to be "thrusting finger" strikes, you wonder how they continue to practice it like they're frail and weak. How you practice is how you'll fight.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@venom769

A. Ip Man didn't teach "modified" WC.

B. The part of the Biu Jee form you're talking...they're not doing "thrusting finger strikes". They're doing something else. Only Cheung thinks that's what Biu Jee is. It's not about stabbing people with your fingers. AT ALL. It's one more dead giveaway that Cheung was never trained in the Biu Jee...when people only see it being performed without being trained in it, it's a common misconception that the biu sau is for finger-jabs. It's not.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@venom769

"Modified, traditional - it's all bullshit. That's just William making mischief."

-Hawkins Cheung

[BillysWayIsNoWay]

@TwoGunGunnar Some may say that it came from his corrupt cop fathers connections... Being members of the Chinese Secret Society. aka. Triads. Which some were involved in Red Flag Wing Chun. Billy got around with some pretty bad sorts in his youth, gangs etc, and was in danger so his father sent him here, to Australia.

[TwoGunGunnar]

@BillysWayIsNoWay

I've heard that theory before, & I suppose it's possible. In the VTAA letter, Cheung is described as only attending Ip's school "intermittently", & that theory fits - perhaps Cheung's attendance at Ip's school was intermittent because he was learning from the Red Flag people on the side.

But, regardless of where he really got his stuff, he's still lying about it.

[robyhh]

Cheung #1...

[Drivethebeat]

OMG!  I have never seen this!

[natharaja]

why you make it fast motion dancing skill not fighting

[kaiya2]

@natharaja

This clip is not sped up and is real time.

[KiCreativeStudios]

@natharaja It's not sped up. But 8mm film does give it that effect though.

[mjadolphus]

@FightingWarrior um 80's id say dude

[FightingWarrior]

@mjadolphus

I'm the same opinion, thanks for the answer!

[WingChunLover2]

@mjadolphus He would have been 40. This looks old.

[FightingWarrior]

From what year is this footage?

[rmarley]

Yo is best footage for the forms i have seen so far

[Shaolineddy]

true wing chun, i hope i can preserve this art for the future. long live william, great respect.

[KiCreativeStudios]

awesome! Where did you get this?!?!