He's playing this piece rather wrong; there's a melody that's played somewhat asymmetrically between the hands... and it's supposed to be played 'legato'... Aimard plays this piece right if you're actually trying to learn the piece...
Menuda afrenta al genio de Ligeti. No me extraña que al final del vídeo se lleve las manos a la cara, tras tomar nota de ese monumental fiasco que es su interpretación.
@oracle2world there is one at 0:52, but I think it is 'cause the performer goes too fast with the tempo. The Aimard recorded version makes justice to ligeti's incredibly complex writing.
Also...I like this for some of the same reasons I love the Dillinger Escape Plan, it's genuinely fascinating and provocative in both an intellectual and emotional way...sigh...wish more people write this sort of suff
hm... I'm interested in this kind of music. But I guess we won't appreciate it as long as we don't recognize whether the pianiest is making mistakes or not :|
I am very surprised to find that I really like all of Ligeti's music on first hearing.
I think he is a genius and one of very few worthwhile modern composers.
I believe that it is being played very well here, but at the least I would like to thank Andoloro for playing stuff like this. Bravo e grazie mille Giuseppe.
è orribile questa esecuzione. non c'è un briciolo di senso musicale in quello che fa. soprattutto non conosce il linguaggio della musica ligetiana. peccato, perchè pianisticamente è un mostro e, soprattutto, suona molto bene il quinto ed il secondo studio dello stesso libro.
@folkicide no improvisation. The juxtaposition of rhythms ensures that no 2 pianists will play it the same. Few will ever achieve the tempo Andoloro did.
It's not random punching of keys. Sounds that way, yes. It's actually very odd way of composing. The composer, Ligeti, wrote the right hand in Cmajor and the left hand in Bmajor. He also wrote the left hand in 4/4 and the right hand has 4 measures of 4/4 followed by a 7/8 measure. So the measures start in time and become more and more out of allignment, hence the title, Disorder.
@jarhead9887 Indeed. However, it's probably more accurate to say that he wrote the right hand on white notes, and the left hand on black notes. The key signatures *are* C major and B Major, respectively, but there's very little that's C or B Major about this piece! It's fascinating to look at the music (which I have)...the different time signatures that you describe are truly the stroke of a genius, especially when the accents come back into alignment! Fantastic stuff.
@jarhead9887 actually that's not entirely accurate. There is no time signature, and what your are speaking of is the way the eighth notes are grouped. The disorder isn't about the measures, it's about him setting up a perfect system of playing with the 4 + 4 + 6 phrase structure, and then BREAKING it which can be heard at (1:15) the accents on every eighth note. He then abandons his system for the rest of the piece and the eighth note groups become rediculously long (from "7/8" to like "21/8")
@jarhead9887 I do not believe he really composed the hands in a specific key. The right hand is just all white keys, so the universal atonal signature of not specifying sharps or flats beforehand is used (which looks like CMajor upon first instinct). The left hand is all black keys, so it needed a minimum of 5 sharps (which looks like BMajor upon first instinct), and any more sharps would just be comical and useless. But, that's my opinion, and you are not necessarily inaccurate, either.
@jarhead9887 Actually the right hand plays the white keys, the left the black. So key is not an issue so much as diatonic versus pentatonic. Aimard voices the lines better so it sounds less like 'random punching of keys'.
@mrrtsno A few years ago, I would have said the same thing, so I see where you are coming from. It's only after taking my music degree, and now studying composition for a Masters Degree, that I know a *bit* more (and only a *bit*) about this kind of music. In a way it does sound like random notes but, the more Ligeti you listen to, the more you begin to hear his compositional, harmonic and structural style. I have no doubt he knows exactly what he's writing, and that it's not easy to achieve!
@MrMusic1983 .... sorry to add a comment to your's... I am happy to hear you say that... I did not study enough music in my life, but a course in contemporary music and above all spending the netire Gunther Schuller week in Tanglewood listening to young composers rehearse orchestras and ensembles really did it for me.... I think wer are simply not exposed to contemporary classical enough and most of the incidental stuff we hear is very simplistic (pop tunes).
ok.. amazing.. but how.. did Andaloro manage to learn it? I mean it is named "Disorder" after all.. memorizing disorder is oxymoronic: by learning something in which there is no order it instantly receives a relative order in the person's brain.. ..I guess..
@Intono if you look at the score, you will notice that a lot of the piece is repetitious. However the two hands come in and out of sync with each other (an eighth note is dropped each time in the right hand) which creates this feeling of "disorder." Thus he had to memorize only the two lines and drop one a note off the melody each time is was repeated. Certainly not easy, but explainable
@Intono@Intono if you look at the score, you will notice that a lot of the piece is repetitious. However the two hands come in and out of sync with each other (an eighth note is dropped each time in the right hand) which creates this feeling of "disorder." Thus he had to memorize only the two lines and drop one a note off the melody each time is was repeated. Certainly not easy, but explainable
The Debussy etudesBartok etudes Ligeti etudes are much more difficult for the fingers thanChopin etudes.MUsic making is the hardest part because Chopin says so much and it can be right a million diff ways.Liszt's 1837 version of both bookshis studies are virtually unplayable and have you never seen the Godowsky studies.People you aretooyoung to make statements on topics u know nothing about.6 yearolds in special schools withfamous teachers come to youtube and they never post comments .
@entheomycophagist You're right I just don't get it, I like it a bit, anyway seems to me that play this kind of music must be so much better that listen it
To put this piece into perspective, the great Marc-André Hamelin - perhaps the world's greatest piano technician, though maybe second to this guy here? - apparently found this piece too difficult!
No, he started learning it and then dropped it because he couldn't get a hold of it.
He never said "omg so difficult never could I play this".
Gotta love how people like to exaggerate anything and everything. Playing Chopin etudes doesn't mean you can instantly Bach Fugues as well - but omg how, I mean Chopin etudes are liek the most difficult pieces ever written?? Are the fugues even more faster???
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The only part I like in this piece is the ending. Literally, how it ends in a scale. Cool. But to me the rest of it sounds like rubbish to me seriously.
Not entirely convinced by this performance... the way of playing it is borrowed from Aimard (staccato on all the accented chords, without his fullness of sound), and the excessive speed only accentuates the "désordre" aspect (one of the original titles was "Ordre-Désordre").... he does lose it at moments (0:50, for example), at others it's too fast to matter... speed is not the only important thing in this piece. Aggressive and disconcerting as it is, it's still music of the highest order.
There is an aural illusion to this piece which makes the "middle section" appear slower, and last time I compared different sections, I thought the "middle section" is played only slightly slower.
Would be able to check again in a few hours...
would you say that he actually fucks up at certain points, losing control over the coherence between the two hands?
No idea where you've seen "my work on Youtube" before, but it was definitely not the few last pages on this very video - which would consist of the argument against the very user you just responded to.
Think again who I was referring to when saying "troll".
Hey, I do find this performance sounds awesome (more fiery and breath-taking than Aimard's, although apparently less technically accurate, from what I can see), but I was interested in a competent review of how he did the job specifically :)
Not sure what "Ligeti is to sound like that" should mean, I mean, he wrote pieces of different characters and structures... what's that supposed to say?
Oh yea, and how does it follow from the fact that "Ligeti was a modern composer" that the accuracy is perfect?
Is it somehow impossible to perform a modern composer inaccurately?
Then, what kind of argument is "the pianist is not a hack"? Not a hack because he plays perfectly? Or is obvious does he play perfectly anyway, because, you see, he's "obviously not a hack".
And then you even ask "how to explain it any more than that"... seems you don't know/understand crap.
Dude, you're an asshole. I've got my masters in Music Theory... there is nothing really to say about his performance. It was a decent rendition of Desordre. The Ligeti Etudes have to do with tension in the chords and constant dissonance. Ligeti exploits dissonance and uses it in a sequential pattern. This pianist does it dramatically.
Hey, please don't give me degrees and "authoritah".
I asked about the TECHNICAL ACCURACY (that includes rhythmical, and I believe I heard some sloppiness here and there, in comparison to Aimard's e.g.) of this rendition, and you give me "modern composer and dissonance".
If you can't answer to the point of a question, what is your Master good for, hm?
Hey, I'm familiar with this Etude, I've seen the score and learnt a few pages, I know it's general structure, the constantly repeating....
... melody pattern played in both hands in phase shifting, the diminution towards the climax, the ascending scales inbetween the octaves (making their final "point" at the very end), blah blah blah, I've looked at the score and you don't need to tell me it's "supposed to be dissonant".
What does dissonance have to do with any of it?
The beginning of Vertige isn't dissonant anywhere (haven't looked at the rest yet), and yet there are many ways you can play is sloppily, aren't there?
Vertige isn't dissonant? It's constant dissonance that does stop constant runs that clash with each other. Yeah, you haven't looked at the rest. If you look at ANY of his etudes, they are all of a dissonant nature. Hey bud, the next time you try talking to someone that knows about music, do your research. You sound like a high school senior that loves music. Great for you, get out of the big boy games and go analyze form. I'm done with this.
Huh? I said the BEGINNING of Vertige... WITHOUT talking about the rest... because I haven't looked at it yet... because it wasn't long ago and I had other stuff to do.... where the overlapping chromatic lines indeed build consonances.
So just because it's consonant, does it make any performance of it automatically accurate? You still haven't answered this question :p
Hey, are the parallel 10ths in "Devil's Staircase" dissonant, too? ;)
At any rate, you still haven't explained how the "dissonances" in this composition (because "Ligeti was a modern composer"... as there weren't any dissonances before modernity) have ANYTHING to do with my question about the accuracy of this performance.
"Andaloro is not a hack" isn't even reminiscent of an argument, and it's certainly nothing I'd expect from someone with a music Master... rather from a highschool senior who loves music :)
That's an interesting assessment coming from someone who just attempted to answer a question about the technical accuracy of a performance by pointing out the "dissonances" in the composition.
As you still haven't said one valuable iota on this issue despite a lot of typing, yea, hm, I guess "stumped".
Sorry, nice try to weasel yourself out of the situation though, my "Master" ;)
what was that? I think i heard a little twit... oh wait it was just someone who probably doesn't have the ability on an instrument to get a degree in music or ever get the chance at a masters... Oh well.. I guess it was just nothing.
Well as it stands, all you've been doing is bragging around with your "degree", in combination with schoolyard insults basically amounting to nothing other than "my cock is much bigger than yours" - with nothing apart from inane, and totally worthless one-liners on the actual subject to back it up.
As it stands, you read someone asking a question, and despite decided to respond to it, weren't able to post anything other than... inane and totally worthless one-liners.
Just to round it off, I for my part don't give a wet fart about "bachelors", "masters" or "1st prizes", save maybe for their functions as potential career possibilities, as they in themselves are nothing but worthless pieces of paper, and I'd frankly despise myself if all the practice and work I put in had ANYTHING to do with "earning a degree at an exam".
If you can't even answer a simple question on Youtube without entirely missing the point and sounding like a complete retard, don't even BOTHER to talk about your "degrees".
"Ligeti was a modern composer. The accuracy is perfect."
the way he plays shows something about the piece. think about trying to put emotion into such chaotic complexity, the result might seem robotic on the surface but if you look deeper there are many human elements in his playing
He's playing this piece rather wrong; there's a melody that's played somewhat asymmetrically between the hands... and it's supposed to be played 'legato'... Aimard plays this piece right if you're actually trying to learn the piece...
ryguillian 1 week ago
@ryguillian Those are phrase slurs, not legato slurs.
WardBasil 2 days ago
WHAT THE HELL!!! O Lord...
ZeRoRuLeS561 1 week ago
dumb
jhardknox 2 weeks ago
freak! all that madness, and nobody applauded?
gsarci2011 1 month ago
@gsarci2011 It is a cycle. Surely directly after that piece he continued performing.
Abraeumer83 2 weeks ago
If you can't sightread well this would be fucking awful to learn.
tjtheplay 1 month ago
WONDERFUL!!!!
Abraeumer83 1 month ago
so its really just a test of control?
Timcantgetausername 2 months ago
OLEEEEEEEEEEEE WOOOOOOOOOOUUUUU!!!!!! VIVA ANDALORO!!!!! aplausos orgasmicos!!!!
Nimenicamine01 3 months ago
Menuda afrenta al genio de Ligeti. No me extraña que al final del vídeo se lleve las manos a la cara, tras tomar nota de ese monumental fiasco que es su interpretación.
RoninElDiestro 3 months ago
NO! NO!! NO!!!
Please, listen to Pierre-Laurent Aimard!
Too much wrong notes, but that's not the wost... Articulation and PHRASING: it's all wrong.
Giuseppe, what are you thinking at?!?
HAVE YOU STUDIED THE SCORE ***BEFORE*** PUTTING THESE ***GORGEOUS*** LIGETI PIECES IN YOUR REPERTORY?
MetamorphoseostouXR 5 months ago
Great avant-garde.
DrFrohman 5 months ago
Minion voice: whaaaaaaaaaa........ (drool)
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fuck you and fuck you with this music shit fuk you
TheTwinsBlade 5 months ago
How do you know if this guy makes a mistake?
oracle2world 5 months ago
@oracle2world there is one at 0:52, but I think it is 'cause the performer goes too fast with the tempo. The Aimard recorded version makes justice to ligeti's incredibly complex writing.
ViewerNotes 5 months ago
Badass piece of music.
timunderwood9 6 months ago
BRAVO!!
zakalwe101 7 months ago
Hey, ese tal ivan solia ser mi amigo!!
juanMendz 7 months ago
At 1:47 it is very obvious that he misses one note. He plays an f instead of an f#.
In spite of that the performance is quite all right.
pikassoguitar 7 months ago 3
@pikassoguitar You're quite wrong, it's supposed to be a Gb.
mavos2 7 months ago
The way this man presses the piano buttons...cant help wondering what he'd do to his woman..:D
JannatiNeha 7 months ago
i loves me some bitonality. bless stravinsky for paving the way
punkfluffles 8 months ago
I feel blessed that i don't cringe like most people when this kind of music is played haha it's beautiful and amazingly written :)
Jshaw1ful 8 months ago
Ow yes, pretty simple... Lol
guidi73 8 months ago
Also...I like this for some of the same reasons I love the Dillinger Escape Plan, it's genuinely fascinating and provocative in both an intellectual and emotional way...sigh...wish more people write this sort of suff
zeroblackstar 8 months ago
Awe inspiring musicianship.
zeroblackstar 8 months ago
Little too dry for my taste...
canzo0378 9 months ago
It sounds like he's been waiting for a guide to come and take him by the hand.
MrGutley 10 months ago
hm... I'm interested in this kind of music. But I guess we won't appreciate it as long as we don't recognize whether the pianiest is making mistakes or not :|
alitalia5 10 months ago
He is a machine.
MrStrav81 10 months ago
absolute insaniity kind of reminds me of olivier messiean slightly!
prettyboy1990able 11 months ago
too much dissonant
antimon40 11 months ago
This is some serious handjob
Bagas 11 months ago
desordre it is... Sorabji would be so proud!
johnbaptistlulu 11 months ago
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Ridiculous! This is no music, this is pure math on keys. This hasn't got anything to do with music.
Oerbroodje 1 year ago
@Oerbroodje Maybe this is what math sounds like?
Forrester 10 months ago
@Forrester Perhaps. I don't like the sound of math then...
Oerbroodje 10 months ago
@Oerbroodje Do you hear the melody?? Actually this is structurally pretty simple ternary form ABA'
canzo0378 8 months ago
good!
TheSupermaurizio 1 year ago
He's got amazing technique, but he plays this piece way to fast.
therustedeye 1 year ago
Crazy Crazy Crazy Crazy Crazy Crazy Crazy Crazy Crazy... So on...
Oistrakhfollower 1 year ago
WOW
fragmentiert 1 year ago
this is so amazing!
furrycrittr 1 year ago
i loveee this piece...i wanna learn it :)
Jasoconth 1 year ago
That seems very hard to play!
nihil1 1 year ago
I am very surprised to find that I really like all of Ligeti's music on first hearing.
I think he is a genius and one of very few worthwhile modern composers.
I believe that it is being played very well here, but at the least I would like to thank Andoloro for playing stuff like this. Bravo e grazie mille Giuseppe.
GATTAPADRE 1 year ago 7
@GATTAPADRE Yes indeed a genius :)
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Patryk429 1 year ago
wonderfull
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ykpatr 1 year ago
left hand all black keys + right hand all white = brilliance
m294saw 1 year ago
Exciting piece!
:)
gonrolgonrol 1 year ago
è orribile questa esecuzione. non c'è un briciolo di senso musicale in quello che fa. soprattutto non conosce il linguaggio della musica ligetiana. peccato, perchè pianisticamente è un mostro e, soprattutto, suona molto bene il quinto ed il secondo studio dello stesso libro.
giampieroification 1 year ago
The recording I have sounds different, especially toward the end. Does anyone know if this score allows for a bit of improvisation?
folkicide 1 year ago
@folkicide no improvisation. The juxtaposition of rhythms ensures that no 2 pianists will play it the same. Few will ever achieve the tempo Andoloro did.
musthatedogs 1 year ago 3
@musthatedogs Thanks pal. That makes sense.
folkicide 1 year ago
i don't like Picasso either
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ykpatr 1 year ago
Beyond words, spasms and all, this must be the equivalent of female multiple orgasms
AGAG789 1 year ago 53
@AGAG789 haha
Liptonical 11 months ago
@AGAG789 And just as hard to achieve, emphasis on HARD! Like, I said it probably takes a male athlete, lothario to accomplish, but it can be done.
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@AGAG789 And just as hard to achieve, emphasis on HARD! Like I said, it probably takes a male athlete lothario to accomplish, but it can be done.
AhaBach4Life 7 months ago
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TommyDai1 6 months ago
@AGAG789 lmfao
ZeRoRuLeS561 1 week ago
Perfect 6******
ykpatr 1 year ago
amazing!
naz4ave 1 year ago 2
Badass
53rdmonkey 1 year ago 2
It's not random punching of keys. Sounds that way, yes. It's actually very odd way of composing. The composer, Ligeti, wrote the right hand in Cmajor and the left hand in Bmajor. He also wrote the left hand in 4/4 and the right hand has 4 measures of 4/4 followed by a 7/8 measure. So the measures start in time and become more and more out of allignment, hence the title, Disorder.
jarhead9887 1 year ago 82
@jarhead9887 Indeed. However, it's probably more accurate to say that he wrote the right hand on white notes, and the left hand on black notes. The key signatures *are* C major and B Major, respectively, but there's very little that's C or B Major about this piece! It's fascinating to look at the music (which I have)...the different time signatures that you describe are truly the stroke of a genius, especially when the accents come back into alignment! Fantastic stuff.
MrMusic1983 1 year ago 4
@jarhead9887 actually that's not entirely accurate. There is no time signature, and what your are speaking of is the way the eighth notes are grouped. The disorder isn't about the measures, it's about him setting up a perfect system of playing with the 4 + 4 + 6 phrase structure, and then BREAKING it which can be heard at (1:15) the accents on every eighth note. He then abandons his system for the rest of the piece and the eighth note groups become rediculously long (from "7/8" to like "21/8")
compositor88fsu 9 months ago
@jarhead9887 I do not believe he really composed the hands in a specific key. The right hand is just all white keys, so the universal atonal signature of not specifying sharps or flats beforehand is used (which looks like CMajor upon first instinct). The left hand is all black keys, so it needed a minimum of 5 sharps (which looks like BMajor upon first instinct), and any more sharps would just be comical and useless. But, that's my opinion, and you are not necessarily inaccurate, either.
SpintoPiano 9 months ago
@jarhead9887 it's called polytonalism and polymetry
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@jarhead9887 it's called polytonality and polymetry
tomacoexperiment 8 months ago
@jarhead9887 Actually the right hand plays the white keys, the left the black. So key is not an issue so much as diatonic versus pentatonic. Aimard voices the lines better so it sounds less like 'random punching of keys'.
orlandoooo 7 months ago
@jarhead9887 i think its f major, since im writing a analysis about this piece and had a quiet close look at the sheets.. ;)
greets from germany
ps: glad somebody is interested in ligetis insanity!
nikkelbie 4 weeks ago
I wonder how he memorized it LOL
xxjanzxx 1 year ago 3
The Vuvuzela button makes this piece nearly perfect.
tabber87 1 year ago 2
Amazing. Absolutely amazing!
MrMusic1983 1 year ago
Csodálatos összetételét. Zongorista tudja, hogyan kell játszani
MISZCZU6 1 year ago
it certainly sounds that way. fantastic technique.
i can't say i don't like it at all, but there are so many things i'd rather listen.
at least for me, this is not something to be listened for pleasure - rather to satisfy curiosity.
vranaetf 1 year ago
thats easy just whack keys out of it randomly
mrrtsno 1 year ago
@mrrtsno I assume this is a sarcastic comment? :)
MrMusic1983 1 year ago
@MrMusic1983 well i was trying to be funny, but it does look like almost random, lol
mrrtsno 1 year ago
@mrrtsno A few years ago, I would have said the same thing, so I see where you are coming from. It's only after taking my music degree, and now studying composition for a Masters Degree, that I know a *bit* more (and only a *bit*) about this kind of music. In a way it does sound like random notes but, the more Ligeti you listen to, the more you begin to hear his compositional, harmonic and structural style. I have no doubt he knows exactly what he's writing, and that it's not easy to achieve!
MrMusic1983 1 year ago
@MrMusic1983 .... sorry to add a comment to your's... I am happy to hear you say that... I did not study enough music in my life, but a course in contemporary music and above all spending the netire Gunther Schuller week in Tanglewood listening to young composers rehearse orchestras and ensembles really did it for me.... I think wer are simply not exposed to contemporary classical enough and most of the incidental stuff we hear is very simplistic (pop tunes).
Malaka57 1 year ago
holy shit
this could not have been more awesome
priMMoz 1 year ago
ok.. amazing.. but how.. did Andaloro manage to learn it? I mean it is named "Disorder" after all.. memorizing disorder is oxymoronic: by learning something in which there is no order it instantly receives a relative order in the person's brain.. ..I guess..
Intono 1 year ago 2
@Intono if you look at the score, you will notice that a lot of the piece is repetitious. However the two hands come in and out of sync with each other (an eighth note is dropped each time in the right hand) which creates this feeling of "disorder." Thus he had to memorize only the two lines and drop one a note off the melody each time is was repeated. Certainly not easy, but explainable
freezegelman 1 year ago
@freezegelman ok, thanks. I see how it could go. very interesting.
btw, I cannot read music that well, I usually do not look on the sheets, so please forgive my ignorance.
however, there is some sort of order then.. (?)
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@Intono @Intono if you look at the score, you will notice that a lot of the piece is repetitious. However the two hands come in and out of sync with each other (an eighth note is dropped each time in the right hand) which creates this feeling of "disorder." Thus he had to memorize only the two lines and drop one a note off the melody each time is was repeated. Certainly not easy, but explainable
freezegelman 1 year ago
ARGH! I will never be able to play this! how can Andaloro be so damn good??
entheomycophagist 1 year ago
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ykpatr 1 year ago
Bardzo Pięknie Bardzo Kocham Muzykę 5*****
ykpatr 1 year ago
Brilliantly played and sounds fantastic - dissonance can be pleasant!
orlandoooo 1 year ago 3
Way to dissonant. I can appreciate it for what it is, but it just sounds like shit to me.
barnickd 1 year ago
sounds weird,but interresting
kennysmom1990 1 year ago
5***** 5***** 5***** 5***** 5*****
ykpatr 1 year ago
Bardzo Pięknie Kocham Muzykę 6******
ykpatr 1 year ago
The Debussy etudesBartok etudes Ligeti etudes are much more difficult for the fingers thanChopin etudes.MUsic making is the hardest part because Chopin says so much and it can be right a million diff ways.Liszt's 1837 version of both bookshis studies are virtually unplayable and have you never seen the Godowsky studies.People you aretooyoung to make statements on topics u know nothing about.6 yearolds in special schools withfamous teachers come to youtube and they never post comments .
lovesGenet 1 year ago
i think you should better travel on the sounds instead watching his technique
andorebajo 1 year ago 6
I don't care how accurately he can play it if it sounds like crap.
tungazzio 1 year ago
@tungazzio
Don't worry 'bout it, dude. The majority of people just don't get this music- it's too envelope-pushing.
entheomycophagist 1 year ago
@entheomycophagist You're right I just don't get it, I like it a bit, anyway seems to me that play this kind of music must be so much better that listen it
eliotalanis 1 year ago
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Technically... amazing, best in the world etc.
Sounds... like pretentious soulless shit.
shadowfilm 1 year ago
It might be "clever", but it's horrible.
davangel 1 year ago
Bardzo Pięknie 6******
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ykpatr 1 year ago
this piece gives me a headache.
pyroprince78 1 year ago
To put this piece into perspective, the great Marc-André Hamelin - perhaps the world's greatest piano technician, though maybe second to this guy here? - apparently found this piece too difficult!
1980NewWave 1 year ago
No, he started learning it and then dropped it because he couldn't get a hold of it.
He never said "omg so difficult never could I play this".
Gotta love how people like to exaggerate anything and everything. Playing Chopin etudes doesn't mean you can instantly Bach Fugues as well - but omg how, I mean Chopin etudes are liek the most difficult pieces ever written?? Are the fugues even more faster???
... lol
twooffour 1 year ago
bravo
kikodue 1 year ago
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sharktale1321 1 year ago
incredible artist, absolute mastery of the text, running at the highest levels, probably not repeatable
poseydon46 1 year ago
Alright, that was just completely ridiculous.
EuphoricDan 1 year ago
you know someone who can play better Ligeti?
kikodue 1 year ago
lol, you miss-understand me. No I do not =)
EuphoricDan 1 year ago
You are an insider music, I do not think so.
kikodue 1 year ago
Muito bom. Caótico.
Skacore 1 year ago
simply great
mefistofele46 1 year ago
Einfach geil! ;-)
wuulumuulu 2 years ago
what means "einfach geil"?
mefistofele46 1 year ago
I think "simply great" would fit as a proper translation.
wuulumuulu 1 year ago
Bardzo Pięknie 6******Bardzo Najmocniej Kocham Muzykę 6******
ykpatr 2 years ago
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The only part I like in this piece is the ending. Literally, how it ends in a scale. Cool. But to me the rest of it sounds like rubbish to me seriously.
iMunch2010 2 years ago
It's two scales, though :)
twooffour 1 year ago
But Ligeti's put the notes in the right order ;)
5tgb6yhn5tgb 1 year ago
Not entirely convinced by this performance... the way of playing it is borrowed from Aimard (staccato on all the accented chords, without his fullness of sound), and the excessive speed only accentuates the "désordre" aspect (one of the original titles was "Ordre-Désordre").... he does lose it at moments (0:50, for example), at others it's too fast to matter... speed is not the only important thing in this piece. Aggressive and disconcerting as it is, it's still music of the highest order.
melitongue 2 years ago 2
Don't let the music's attributes confuse you.
SmallRubberFeet 2 years ago
Love the fact he plays it faster than pretty much anyone else I've heard and yet still retains utter clarity.
stephencraigen 2 years ago
There is an aural illusion to this piece which makes the "middle section" appear slower, and last time I compared different sections, I thought the "middle section" is played only slightly slower.
Would be able to check again in a few hours...
would you say that he actually fucks up at certain points, losing control over the coherence between the two hands?
twooffour 2 years ago
No idea where you've seen "my work on Youtube" before, but it was definitely not the few last pages on this very video - which would consist of the argument against the very user you just responded to.
Think again who I was referring to when saying "troll".
And thanks so far, btw ;)
twooffour 2 years ago
I have a suspicion we've got a troll here.
twooffour 2 years ago
va anche a tempo con la testa ^^ pezzo difficilissimo, poi a memoria...
Arm4nd88 2 years ago
You gotta be kidding me right?... you know who ligeti is?
tsaxfreak 2 years ago
Could anyone with trained ears give a brief review of Andaloro's accuracy in this performance?
twooffour 2 years ago
awesome. Ligeti is supposedly to sound like that.
tsaxfreak 2 years ago
Hey, I do find this performance sounds awesome (more fiery and breath-taking than Aimard's, although apparently less technically accurate, from what I can see), but I was interested in a competent review of how he did the job specifically :)
Not sure what "Ligeti is to sound like that" should mean, I mean, he wrote pieces of different characters and structures... what's that supposed to say?
twooffour 2 years ago
Ligeti was a modern composer. The accuracy is perfect.
This pianist is not a hack. I don't know how to explain it anymore than that.
tsaxfreak 2 years ago
Oh yea, and how does it follow from the fact that "Ligeti was a modern composer" that the accuracy is perfect?
Is it somehow impossible to perform a modern composer inaccurately?
Then, what kind of argument is "the pianist is not a hack"? Not a hack because he plays perfectly? Or is obvious does he play perfectly anyway, because, you see, he's "obviously not a hack".
And then you even ask "how to explain it any more than that"... seems you don't know/understand crap.
twooffour 2 years ago
I asked for a competent evaluation, not meaningless stupid one-liners. Thanx.
twooffour 2 years ago
Dude, you're an asshole. I've got my masters in Music Theory... there is nothing really to say about his performance. It was a decent rendition of Desordre. The Ligeti Etudes have to do with tension in the chords and constant dissonance. Ligeti exploits dissonance and uses it in a sequential pattern. This pianist does it dramatically.
That better? Dick face.
tsaxfreak 2 years ago
Hey, please don't give me degrees and "authoritah".
I asked about the TECHNICAL ACCURACY (that includes rhythmical, and I believe I heard some sloppiness here and there, in comparison to Aimard's e.g.) of this rendition, and you give me "modern composer and dissonance".
If you can't answer to the point of a question, what is your Master good for, hm?
Hey, I'm familiar with this Etude, I've seen the score and learnt a few pages, I know it's general structure, the constantly repeating....
twooffour 2 years ago
... melody pattern played in both hands in phase shifting, the diminution towards the climax, the ascending scales inbetween the octaves (making their final "point" at the very end), blah blah blah, I've looked at the score and you don't need to tell me it's "supposed to be dissonant".
What does dissonance have to do with any of it?
The beginning of Vertige isn't dissonant anywhere (haven't looked at the rest yet), and yet there are many ways you can play is sloppily, aren't there?
Please
twooffour 2 years ago
Vertige isn't dissonant? It's constant dissonance that does stop constant runs that clash with each other. Yeah, you haven't looked at the rest. If you look at ANY of his etudes, they are all of a dissonant nature. Hey bud, the next time you try talking to someone that knows about music, do your research. You sound like a high school senior that loves music. Great for you, get out of the big boy games and go analyze form. I'm done with this.
tsaxfreak 2 years ago
Huh? I said the BEGINNING of Vertige... WITHOUT talking about the rest... because I haven't looked at it yet... because it wasn't long ago and I had other stuff to do.... where the overlapping chromatic lines indeed build consonances.
So just because it's consonant, does it make any performance of it automatically accurate? You still haven't answered this question :p
Hey, are the parallel 10ths in "Devil's Staircase" dissonant, too? ;)
twooffour 2 years ago
At any rate, you still haven't explained how the "dissonances" in this composition (because "Ligeti was a modern composer"... as there weren't any dissonances before modernity) have ANYTHING to do with my question about the accuracy of this performance.
"Andaloro is not a hack" isn't even reminiscent of an argument, and it's certainly nothing I'd expect from someone with a music Master... rather from a highschool senior who loves music :)
twooffour 2 years ago
Stumped, huh?
twooffour 2 years ago
Nope, just don't give a shit about this enough to respond to a musically retarded person.
tsaxfreak 2 years ago
That's an interesting assessment coming from someone who just attempted to answer a question about the technical accuracy of a performance by pointing out the "dissonances" in the composition.
As you still haven't said one valuable iota on this issue despite a lot of typing, yea, hm, I guess "stumped".
Sorry, nice try to weasel yourself out of the situation though, my "Master" ;)
twooffour 2 years ago
what was that? I think i heard a little twit... oh wait it was just someone who probably doesn't have the ability on an instrument to get a degree in music or ever get the chance at a masters... Oh well.. I guess it was just nothing.
tsaxfreak 2 years ago
Well as it stands, all you've been doing is bragging around with your "degree", in combination with schoolyard insults basically amounting to nothing other than "my cock is much bigger than yours" - with nothing apart from inane, and totally worthless one-liners on the actual subject to back it up.
As it stands, you read someone asking a question, and despite decided to respond to it, weren't able to post anything other than... inane and totally worthless one-liners.
twooffour 2 years ago
Your Master exams did have "written tests", right? Have you unlearned how to properly "comprehend and answer questions" since then?
twooffour 2 years ago
Just to round it off, I for my part don't give a wet fart about "bachelors", "masters" or "1st prizes", save maybe for their functions as potential career possibilities, as they in themselves are nothing but worthless pieces of paper, and I'd frankly despise myself if all the practice and work I put in had ANYTHING to do with "earning a degree at an exam".
twooffour 2 years ago
If you can't even answer a simple question on Youtube without entirely missing the point and sounding like a complete retard, don't even BOTHER to talk about your "degrees".
"Ligeti was a modern composer. The accuracy is perfect."
Awesome.
twooffour 2 years ago
Cecil Taylor falls off the edge and comes back as modern classical music.
bootysurgeon 2 years ago
Very well played. One of the most difficult etudes for piano, surely..
Appassionata90 2 years ago
amaziing piece ! really wonderfull!
Mufasajazz 2 years ago
meraviglioso!!!!!
thebarberr 2 years ago
meraviglioso
IViolentiAmorosi 2 years ago
He can't seriously be playing that from memory? I don't see a score.
JamesCamien 2 years ago
he does
kage1369 2 years ago
Well, he's playing it from memory, then.
twooffour 2 years ago
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tempohyeah 2 years ago
Why? I'm not saying your comment sucks, but you are just a big piece of crap!
You're talking about one of the greatest composers, and this particular etude is very interesting... please, stop saying pendejadas on-line.
EdiEllerymissing 2 years ago
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excellent bullshit....
uhartchristian 2 years ago
Excellent asshole (I'm talking about you, of course).
EdiEllerymissing 2 years ago
Frighteningly perfect and well-timed, given how abstract and annoying the piece really is.
ssyreeni 2 years ago 2
great performance of a great work!!!
katerinastamatelos 2 years ago 3
Pięknie Gratulacje 5*****
ykpatr 2 years ago 5
the way he plays shows something about the piece. think about trying to put emotion into such chaotic complexity, the result might seem robotic on the surface but if you look deeper there are many human elements in his playing
drqster 2 years ago 3
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You play as a robot ! no emotion! sorry
camriceli2010 2 years ago
It's a robotic piece
GreggaryPeccary 2 years ago
Grandioso!! tanto la obra como el interprete!! genial!!!
losmonjes 2 years ago 4
excelente!!!
ignacio270 2 years ago 3