The Buddha part 1/13 - PBS documentary

[priyankshah605]

Watching 11th time. Thaks for uploading.

[asherswing]

love it, thank you for uploading

[floresebu]

Just love this....Just love this

[Aeythvaenn]

Thanks for uploading! :-)

[socraticproblem86]

Thank you Guatama _/<3\_

[chounpa1]

buddha storys

[cwaezywabbit]

This documentary calms me so much. It's the best.

The truth will free you.

[clubpenguinroxz4evz]

whats the song called at 0:33 it relax's me alot and it clears my mind leaves me thinking stress free i really need it ):

[FenderTelecast]

the glass quote is so damn real i cant even handle it

[wcemichael]

Buddha is mentioned in this youtuble series "Spirit Science" look it up and take a look

[Maria29493]

This has the best music out of any documentary I have ever seen. I can't find it anywhere though : (

[dollarability]

More like 356 years.

[Juanster23]

no-self.... no-problem.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 You don't understand, self is self, clinging is clinging.

The practice is to remove clinging, not to remove identity.

There is always self, you couldn't remove the problem without recognising your self.

Yes, there is always self, and there is always problem living everyday, no one escapes, but we certainly can remove clinging.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek But you never answered the question I asked. What we call a self is just a combination of the five aggregates. The five aggregates are the five aggregates, thats all, we want to find a self somewhere in them, but there isnt one. Sure you have a personality, an ego, but that doesn't mean it has any intrinsic reality. Its about the dissolution of self, not the attempt to realize it which leads to the end of suffering.This sense of self is an illusion brought about by causes and conditions

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 I've just read and answered. No self, you don't even know the existence of five aggregates or even buddha, all was told by buddha.

Not that I want a self, because I have a self, I am born with it, and cannot do with it until nirvana.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek No that is incorrect. As long as you are alive and have a body, there will be pain, but not necessarily suffering. There is a difference between pain and suffering.

I am very sorry to tell you but this thing we identify as a self (a.k.a. ego) is just a conceptual fabrication, an idea and a mental construct. It has no substantial basis in reality.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Like i said earlier, there is no suffering because there is no clinging. It was clinging to be removed, not self.

Self is conceptual fabrication, idea and mental construct I agree, but buddhism is also a conceptual product, it didn't came from a stone from god or something; everything is a mental construct, the computer you are typing is created in reality out of concept and mental construct.

What is reality? If what you see is not real, what is?

[Juanster23]

@wckoek But you are clearly clinging to this mistaken belief in a permanent, everlasting and unchanging self. Im sorry, that is not in line with the Buddha's teachings. Chances are the majority of people won't and can't accept this is because we are so psychologically conditioned since birth (and even probably in the womb) to hold on to this ego concept or sense of I. We are conditioned, to believe in illusions because they act as a survival mechanism, a way to keep going

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 In which line did I say there is a permanent everlasting self?

I said removing clinging, but not self, and there is no way of removing self.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek Well than what is your idea of a self? 

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Consciousness

[Juanster23]

@wckoek When you think of a self, you think of something that doesn't change, that lasts forever, that is beyond suffering and happiness. I would say all of that comprises a self.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Did I said it doesn't change? Or you said it? Not even nirvana?

[Juanster23]

@wckoek Nirvana is an ending, an extinction. When one sees that the self has no intrinsic reality. The contents of one's consciousness comes to an end. That means that the mental images, the ideas, judgements, beliefs and concepts come to an end.

But that doesn't mean your personality disappears, you still operate in society. I would say you operate better because you aren't concerned with illusions and self-decpetions. You see reality for what it is directly. No more fear.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Self is self, self-deception is self deception, I think you must have mistaken what I meant.

Personality is impermanent, but self exists, personality just form part of self, rather than reality.

Do you still think you have no self?

How do you come up with ideas, or even know the existence of buddhism when you have non?

[Juanster23]

@wckoek We live in a paradox. That is the reality. The ulitmate reality is ineffable and all interpretations on the subject are essentially wrong. All views are wrong views because of the limitations of language.

I dont know if there is a self or a noself. Im not enlightened but from practicing meditation I feel one can come to an understanding of how we fabricate & create this ideas and beliefs of a self. But those erroneous thoughts have their roots in psychological & biologically conditions

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Haha, does others views right or wrong, mattered if you are conscious and aware?

You do meditations, you surely know what consciousness is, isn't it?

Is there no self, no mind, no psychological, no biological condition, and is there anyone who has no error or flaws at all?

I don't believe in such, but I know we are all just practicing, practice to live as well as we could, be conscious and aware yet accepting our true buddha nature.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek I don't know where you received your information on anatman from, but its not in agreement with the teachings of the Buddha. The Buddha taught that this stubborn and persistant sense of self is nothing more than a grand delusion. A fiction of the mind, thats it and thats all. If you choose to believe in a soul thats your choice, but what you are saying is not in accordance at all with what the Buddha teaches. Understand that the Buddha taught that there is no atman.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 The self I spoken of is not atman, without self there is without truth.

"Mother, father, who are there?" "Where am I?" "Who am I?"

There is no truth at all, nothing. You don't feel hungry, no experience, no consciousness.

If you read every single line, I didn't even say there is a soul at all; and only experience is empty; and by empty it doesn't mean it is false, it was just impermanent and should be non-clinging.

If you have no self, what are you?

[Juanster23]

@wckoek That there is no atman in the ultimate sense. In the conventional sense, there is a you and there is a me. But this identification with the self, is the illusion. The ego wants to survive, so what does it do to persist? It creates ideas and thoughts like soul and atman. Its just a fabrication of the ego mind not wanting to die.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 If this is an illusion, there is buddha there is you.

The ego wants to survive, you create the idea of your own buddha. How do you know buddha teaching is real?

Without your ego and judgement, how do you know? Does it comes by itself?

Like I said, experience and thoughts and whatsoever is impermanent, doesn't mean it is false, and it doesn't mean it not wanting to die.

Hinduism is hindusim, it was just a concept to illustrate the point.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek I would argue that the self, soul and ego are all essentially samething, they are just different words which mean the samething. I did not mean to say that everything is an illusion. Im saying that there is no seperate reality that is the self (ego). It is that very belief in a seperate self (ego) or soul that is imaginary and illusory.

What am I then if I am not my ego? I am nothing, however, being nothing I am everything. Like I said before, we live in a paradox.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Not related to buddhism, "ego" in psychology is a psychological function in reaction to the outer world or self, I would argue it was just a part of self, not the whole self. You can see how many people who can go against their conditioned functions and behavior.

You are not only your ego, just that your ego sees you; and its impermanent.

I don't even talk about soul yet, I don't know if it exists.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 By this definition, if you read heart sutra, there is "Sensation, perception, volition, and consciousness" in english translation, this is the elements of ego. The sutra says it is empty, which my understanding because it is impermanent, doesn't mean that it is false.

A person's action, character is affected by his experience, consciousness and understanding as well as belief which further triggers further experience; the whole grand picture is self, the one you "conscious" of now.

[Juanster23]

The buddha taught that nothing should be clung to as "I" or "mine". This notion of a self would be considered an "I" or a "mine".

[Klusot]

Thank you for posting this. I watched for the first time when it was aired on Armed Forces Network in Okinawa, Japan. I wanted to share this with others so its great you posted it. I plan to buy the DVD from PBS also.

As a practicing SGI Buddhist this documentary validated everything I have learned and my daily practice and Faith. kluso

[Klusot]

Thank you for posting. I watched this for the first time 2 weeks ago when it was aired on Armed Forces Network in Okinawa Japan. I wanted to share with others so now I can send the links to your posts. I also plan to buy the video from PBS.

As a practicing SGI Buddhist this documentary validated everything I have learned and my daily practice and Faith. kluso

[kungadawa]

i would appreciate the work done by PBS, three time prostrate to the BUDDHA, thank you.

[chillwill120]

What is the music used in this documentary?

[adehmark]

Glossy images, but this documentary seriously misrepresents the Buddhas teaching...was it written by Deepak Chopra?

[wckoek]

@adehmark What is buddha's teaching?

Is there a singular one? Is there an absolute truth that can be spoke of?

[adehmark]

@wckoek The Buddha only taught one thing......the ending of of suffering.....this documentary implies that the Buddha taught some sort of universal oneness. The idea of universal oneness is described by him in the Bramajala Sutta as wrong view......

[adehmark]

@adehmark Sorry Brahmajala

[adehmark]

'' And what monks have I taught? I have taught: 'This is suffering' ; I have taught: 'This is the origin of suffering'; I have taught: 'This is the cessation of suffering'; I have taught: This is the way leading to the cessation of suffering.' And why monks have I taught this? Because this is beneficial, relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life, and leads to disenchantment, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to awakening, to Nibbana.''

[wckoek]

@adehmark But an easy way out doesn't mean it was a bad way to end suffering. People in the modern age is especially cognitive to object, to sensation, to identity. The mind itself is not enough, you must use illusions to free of illusions, there is no "real" if there is no "unreal".

Disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, peace, etc is only on personal level and certainly not eternal. There is no dispassion without passion, no peace without war.

[wckoek]

@adehmark You just live as yourself. You accept what you are and what you want.

No easy way out, no illusion to any solution, end the suffering at the root; and only end the suffering on personal level if the suffering can't be ended.

Not be a coward when you can fight.

Never concern yourself of which sutra is right and wrong, as nobody is right in all ways, they have stood the test of time. The principle that you can apply is the most rightful one. They are just tools.

Tools for your awakening.

[wckoek]

@adehmark Still, beyond suffering there is self, there is death and rebirth. There is the mind.

There is suffering that is real and immenent, and without pain and suffering, there is no happiness.

The world is twisted, they craved for happiness so much today that they think they can achieve peace of millions by killing a single person like Gaddafi or Osama.

They thought there are easy way out, and there are solution if they follow the path and way.

[wckoek]

@adehmark No, beyond suffering there is self. When you achieve emptiness, the self still exists, just more clear of the perceived identity. There is no absolute end to suffering.

Siddartha Gautama never left a single volume of sutra in his lifetime, all were compiled after death by his student, earliest record on the first buddhist council.

Just like the new testaments written by Jesus's diciple of different understanding.

I for myself didn't accept Lotus Sutra, but I don't think they are wrong.

[adehmark]

@wckoek I'm sorry but when it comes to what the Buddha taught you don't have a clue about what you're talking about...the doctrine of non-self or anatta is central to the Buddha's teaching and if you don't go to the original Suttas you are just making it up as you go along...

[wckoek]

@adehmark Which sutta is the original?

The concept of anatta and atman came even before buddha was born, especially in the Upanishads.

Not buddhism, the teaching of Nisargatta Maharaj as well as Papaji focus on the same thing as well.

Even the Zen tradition and the platform sutra focus on the same thing, its just that they have a different view and way. Teachers would employ different koan and meditation according to different students understanding.

[wckoek]

@adehmark How do you expect everyone understand the sutta in the same way?

How do you know that your doctrine is the only right doctrine?

How do you know what the buddha said?

How do you thought when you form the idea and judgement that your way is the only way while achieving self enlightenment?

Can't everyone be enlightened? Can't it be simple?

This programme is meant to be a documentary, argument in religion is futile, but we should respect each person's "self" while realize ours.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek Buddha never accepted the idea of self or soul. This idea that there is a permanent, everlasting self is fabricated by mental formations and perpetuated by the fear of annihilation and the constant striving for a feeling of security. Because we all want security (in this life and the next) we cling to ideas, concepts and beliefs (mental fabrications) like self and other. However, this is a wrong view to have. The self or ego is a very crafty illusion, but its just that, an illusion.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Thats what the practice for, buddha rejected clinging but doesn't mean that he rejected self.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek Exactly, clinging to ideas of a self.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek I don't know what kind of lineage you follow, but it sounds to me more like Hinduism than Buddhism. Anatman, which translates from sanskirt into No-self is one of the core tenants of the Buddhas teachings. It is probably the most important and most difficult of all the teachings to understand, so I can see why it is easily misunderstood. But to say that there is a self is a wrong view.

[wckoek]

@adehmark There are different religion and faith, but only one self.

Whether this one self is universal I don't know.

There's a story that a priest explain heaven and hell to an eskimo that know nothing about religion and Christianity.

"Would I go to hell if I don't know it ever exists?" the eskimo asked.

The priest thought for a moment and replied "No."

"Then why do you tell me all of these?"

Sorry, that I don't meant to argue, but just something sprung out of my head.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek According to the Pali Suttas, the individual being is merely a complex unity of the five aggregates, which are all stamped with the three marks of impermanence, suffering, and selflessness. Since this is accepted by all schools of Buddhism would you kindly explain where the self resides?

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Without self, you don't even know the existence of buddhism at all.

There is a Koan, does the dog has buddha nature. "Yes, but you can't blame it for not knowing"

No self no mind, you don't even know there is impermanence, suffering and selflessness, the existence and understanding come from yourself.

[Juanster23]

@wckoek Why do you want a self?

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Because there always is a self, why you don't want a self?

Yes, as long as you live there is suffering, and no one escapes from that, but even suffering can be impermanent as life itself, as long as you understand your self nature and impermanence, it was easier to remove clinging.

Was there no suffering at all? It would be impossible, clothes doesn't grow on our body, and our stomach doesn't become full naturally.

[wckoek]

@Juanster23 Without recognition of this and your selfishness, there wouldn't be selflessness.

You might have your own understanding of buddha nature, but you must admit and recognise yourself, which differs from people to people.

There must be self, there must be mind, then life exists and everything exists.

No self, nothing, no buddha, would not be living.

[Ladygagsalot]

PBS has some, if not the best, programming on television. I love their documentaries. Reminds me of when T.V. was actually entertaining.

[vaskark]

Wonderful doc. Thanks for uploading.

[LetLightReign]

I watched it when it originaly aired, it's master piece of art. Also, a master piece of an enlightening story of an ENLIGHTENING TRUTH. Thanks for posting.

[laurarox01]

I frickin loved this doc. Thank ya kindly.

[TheGregH67]

thanks for posting

[83yomomma]

Beautiful, thank you for posting this.