Phelps and the like are short distance swimmers; TI was created for long distance swimmers, especially those in open water. Apples and oranges, and both are delicious.
@FruitarianSwimster - what is your contention...just speed? Perhaps we can agree on the common aspects of what TI teaches and what Phelps does? Swimming is based on biomechanics & fluid dynamics regardless of who is doing the swimming. Nevermind that several TI coaches & swimmers have or do hold national championships in masters & open water swimming. Not many people as a percentage of all who swim can hold phelp's "all day pace"
It's funny that all-out TI doesn't even match the speed Phelps goes on his all-day pace (1:00 per 100m). This version is great for aging overweight unfit people, but for competitive swimming where 500yd NCAA races are considered sprints; not even a chance.
try this. push off the wall at the surface in superman. float out for a bit. now try it again, but dive down just a bit with those hands. my contention, no one can do that without their hips coming up. once understood, its not that hard to translate it to the stroke. no free lunch tho, for me, keeping this attitude requires constant attention. also, i don't quite think this is balance. its more dynamic. side to side is balancing, the front back is hydrodynamics. just my opinion.
votreme, i am in no way qualified to coach TI, i won't let that stop me.
the leg bones connected to the hip bone.... the secret, IMO, is keeping the hips up, the legs will follow. how to keep the hip up? well, you sort of dive down a bit with each stroke. if your hand goes deep your front is sort of angling down and the hips will rise.
votretime, I do tend to have an easier time at balancing well, but it still took a great deal of focused practice to become this balanced. Before TI, I used to get low back pain from trying to lift my upper body out with every stroke...no back pain since studying & practicing TI.
Wow - look at how your legs just drift so effortlessly behind you. Did you have to work at it to get so well balanced, or are you the kind of person where if you extend your arms in front of you, your legs rise and you end up with a horizontal position in the water?
I'm male, 5'10 and 150 lbs with lean legs. Even though I've done lots of balance drills, I'm still not at the point of being able to do a 2bk.
In times when your boat capsizes and youre 1 kilometre from shore, I would rather choose to apply my TI over Phelp's technique.
Quit bitching people, one is for long distance and the other for short burst. Don't compare a steady pace Chinese marathon runner with Usain Bolt.
zephyrus777 5 days ago
questa manco a scopa' e' bona...ma che te voi compara....ahahahaha
giordanoromanord 2 weeks ago
Phelps and the like are short distance swimmers; TI was created for long distance swimmers, especially those in open water. Apples and oranges, and both are delicious.
RealFunkhaus 2 months ago
@FruitarianSwimster - what is your contention...just speed? Perhaps we can agree on the common aspects of what TI teaches and what Phelps does? Swimming is based on biomechanics & fluid dynamics regardless of who is doing the swimming. Nevermind that several TI coaches & swimmers have or do hold national championships in masters & open water swimming. Not many people as a percentage of all who swim can hold phelp's "all day pace"
SteelCityEndurance 3 months ago
It's funny that all-out TI doesn't even match the speed Phelps goes on his all-day pace (1:00 per 100m). This version is great for aging overweight unfit people, but for competitive swimming where 500yd NCAA races are considered sprints; not even a chance.
FruitarianSwimster 3 months ago
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try this. push off the wall at the surface in superman. float out for a bit. now try it again, but dive down just a bit with those hands. my contention, no one can do that without their hips coming up. once understood, its not that hard to translate it to the stroke. no free lunch tho, for me, keeping this attitude requires constant attention. also, i don't quite think this is balance. its more dynamic. side to side is balancing, the front back is hydrodynamics. just my opinion.
ronetele13 4 months ago
votreme, i am in no way qualified to coach TI, i won't let that stop me.
the leg bones connected to the hip bone.... the secret, IMO, is keeping the hips up, the legs will follow. how to keep the hip up? well, you sort of dive down a bit with each stroke. if your hand goes deep your front is sort of angling down and the hips will rise.
ronetele13 4 months ago
votretime, I do tend to have an easier time at balancing well, but it still took a great deal of focused practice to become this balanced. Before TI, I used to get low back pain from trying to lift my upper body out with every stroke...no back pain since studying & practicing TI.
SteelCityEndurance 6 months ago
Wow - look at how your legs just drift so effortlessly behind you. Did you have to work at it to get so well balanced, or are you the kind of person where if you extend your arms in front of you, your legs rise and you end up with a horizontal position in the water?
I'm male, 5'10 and 150 lbs with lean legs. Even though I've done lots of balance drills, I'm still not at the point of being able to do a 2bk.
votretime 6 months ago
Suzanne You fare very well in this comparison. Phelps makes more splash!
totalswimm 1 year ago