Bible's Secrets (BBC) Ep.2: Did God have a wife (3/4)

[jspankin]

is ashara related to Asher? Asher is in the bible as a pagan demon goddess of the canaanites. The Israelites lived in the same place of many other pagan people. the Philistines and Canaanites where there before the israelites. The bible said the israelites regularly worshiped other gods committing idolerty, adoletry.

[Flamencoista]

Well the Atheists can't have it both ways. One minute they are claiming the book of Deuteronomy was not really "discovered" by Josiah, but was made up around that time. The next minute they are claiming the the name "Asherah" is hidden in Deuteronomy. You can't "make up" a monotheistic book of law *and* hide "Asherah" in there.

[keirapotter]

@Flamencoista FYI, not everyone who questions the Bible is an atheist... I'm not. The theory is that the Deuteronomy *in its last form* was edited ("made up" as you say) by Josiah or rather under his command. He used the book for his politics. But of course the book wasn't made from scratch!! Ancient Israelites had many stories about their people and their god(s) before that!! Simply Deuteronomy is based on old stories (previous copies) but they were modified as Josiah saw fit.

[StarLightPlanets]

HINDUISM!! TELLS THE TRUTH!! OTHER RELIGION! DONT THEY COVER THE TRUTH ABOUT

MEANY THINGS!! HISTORY LIES! SO BAD! TO REPRESS THE FEMALES! BECAUSE A GODDESS REPRESENTS THE POWER OF THE FEMININE! AND MALE ONLY WHAT

TO BE IN CONTROL!! THROW OUT HISTROY THEY SEE IT AS A THREAT! BUT ITS NOT

GONNA CHANGE THE TRUTH!! GOD HAS A SHE! AND THEY ARE ONE! DUM HUMANS!!

KEEP LIEING TO YOURSELFS SOON HUMANS WILL NO NO ONE LIVES FOREVER!

ONE CANT HIDE THE TRUTH FOR TO LONG! READ BETWEEN THE LINES ITS THERE!!

[zipitup75]

at 11:15 to 11:22 ill paraphrase, he practiacally said God is above having a wife and everything is below Him, so my question is, why does God require and or demand worship and admiration

[poke089]

@zipitup75

(1) To keep his people away from the falsity of worshiping handmade statues

(2) the rituals all served as symbolism for things that would happen in the future (e.g. the ceremonial sacrifices symbolizing the "agape"/sacrificial loving act of a future messiah, the celestial high priest, destruction of guilt); the "worship"acts also serve as the only "artifacts" left behind--aside from scripture--since they weren't allowed to make images/statues/idols/etc...

[FeignofCordor]

I find that when there is in her words "Little evidence " to back up the Biblical narrative she uses that term as a reason to discredit the claim however when she wants to attack the accepted Biblical narrative the fact that her views are not held by the majority of scholars and there is "Little Evidence " to back up her claims seams somehow to not matter to her.

[ortcutt]

@FeignofCordor Isn't part of the problem that many scholars are religiously invested in Judaism, Christianity or Israeli politics and that colors their interpretations? It's hard to take someone's historical objectivity seriously if they thinks that the right answer is monotheism and thus want to see the ancient Israelites as monotheists. The fact that most religious scholars are themselves religious is a serious problem.

[keirapotter]

@ortcutt No, it's not a serious problem at all. Biblical scholars, many of them being christians as you said, generally agree that the first Israelites were completely polytheist, and that the god of the OT is the result of a syncretism between several previous pagan gods. Besides, a good scholar makes a difference between research and beliefs. Concerning Jesus, many christian scholars present him as just an itinerant preacher, though personnally they believe otherwise...

[Xomanowar99]

many ancient teenage boys jacked off to the Asherah figurines.

[SissingPyd]

@Xomanowar99 lol I bet Yahweh was real pissed.

[Cootabux]

When the D. S. Scrolls were found, the phrase was found in it that said; "Yahweh and his Asherah." This also had a sketch of the two together!

The Rabbi is either in deep denial, or he's lying through his teeth.

The present day disciples of monotheistic Judaism, does not want the world to know the truth, which is that early Judaism was polytheistic, then covertly changed to mono! Then they lied about it claiming it had always been mono, just as they do today. All the gods were real, or none were

[gamesbok]

I knew a goddess who was magic. The whole fleet knew her.

[macgeek2004]

"She has heavily emphasized breasts and a very prominent pubic triangle, emphasizing this life-giving quality."

UMMM...THAT'S *ONE* WAY TO PUT IT, I guess! Lol, but you also forgot to mention her...er...rather..."prominent cameltoe," which....emphasizes...her...fu­ckability? LOL!!!

[TallPoe]

Only desert women have such veluptuousness as their lips.

[TallPoe]

Her lovely curley hair, big huge eyes and smile and blue coloured clothes, I can see her.

[TallPoe]

The fact is that in most cases, males are bigger, and also males are very good at disappearing up their own butts. So as it says in the new testament, we are all a pain in the bum and have no right to point at anyone else.

[TallPoe]

The tree being nibbled by two goats, LOL. I can see the sculptress right now, standing there giggling wearing a big smurk on her face as she avoid washing the floor and filing off the chain at her ankle.

[TallPoe]

It is a fact of nature that male humans act like animals when it comes to females, they will plant their teeth in her neck both literally and verbally any way they can, and bring her presents for favours, just like the birds.

[TallPoe]

This woman is trying to point out that the creators of the bible were human like the rest of us. The figurines are the evidence.

[AgApE010]

So the two words Asherah and Ashtat look similar in Hebrew, so it is possible that at one time Ashtat was actually Asherah. That's the claim. Textual evidence: Nil. Historical evidence: Overly-speculative, and even that is being generous.

If you start getting into saying, apart from any sound reason or evidence, that this word "may have actually really been" a different, yet similarly spelled word, you've stepped out of doing real hermeneutics and are playing child's games.

[gamesbok]

@AgApE010 It's all childs games. Philo says that the Jews of Egypt worshipped Yahweh and his spouse. Recent discoveries of tomb inscriptions in Israel dated to 8th century BC show dedications to Yahweh and Asherah, and of course the ancient God of Israel is Elohim, a plural word.

That's the great thing about God. Whatever you say about him, he won't sue.

[AgApE010]

@gamesbok

Citation from Philo?

And I recently read some of the Ugaritic writings and the El of the Ugaritics is the polar opposite of the Elohim of the Jews. El is a bull, first of all, he drinks, he's a male chauvinist, and he continually gets threatened in the story by his daughter who threatens to crack his skull if he doesn't build a house for Baal. Anyone with a fraction of an understanding of the Biblical God sees that these are two totally different deities.

[gamesbok]

@AgApE010 It's in the 'Works of Philo', but it's also repeated in 'On the Confusion of Tongues'.

'A fraction of understanding..?' Look, it's like this. People make up stories about their gods as the need arises. Whatever you say about God, he won't sue.

Any interpritation of God you want to find, and I do mean any, can be found in the Bible.

[AgApE010]

@gamesbok

The words of a person who doesn't know Biblical Theology.

Look, don't believe if you don't want to. I don't care. But don't make claims out of ignorance. That's just annoying man.

[gamesbok]

@AgApE010 Ah Theology, a discipline so tight and exacting that it's reduced the simple creed of Christainity to only 28,000 denominations.

There is one Jewish tradition that claims that theological dispute continues in heaven. To my mind Arius was the only guy who even attempted to make a logically cosistant theology.

How many Ecumenical Councils have there been so far to sort out theology? 20, 21, something like that.

As Hume said, '...sophistry and illusion'.

[AgApE010]

@gamesbok

The Councils were usually in response to challenges to Church orthodoxy, wherein the Church elders made formal declarations of apostolic doctrine. And I highly doubt you know anything about Arianism. Logical? His theology was in direct contradiction to John 1.

And your argument is equal to condemning Philosophy because it branches out into Empiricism, Rationalism, Objectivism, Idealism, Scepticism, etc. In other words, your objection is absurd.

[gamesbok]

@AgApE010 I've never met a Christian who could explain John 1.1, basically because they're unfamilar with NeoPlatonic synthesis. Arius seems to be totally inline with Mathew 27:46 whereas no other theology does, and, of course, Arius does avoid all the logical absurdities inherent in the trinity, a doctrine strange to Jesus.

Like most Christians, you have many insults, but no arguements.

[anniemaggie53]

@gamesbok Do you mean arguments?

[gamesbok]

@anniemaggie53 Don't talk to me about spelling. Half a life-time I spent learning to spell Czechoslovakia, and then they disappear the place. After a dirty trick like that I ain't playing.

[sthnwatch]

@gamesbok "In the beginning what I spoke was in my head, I was onto it, like I knew what I was thinking, & then I blurted it out. Then I had said my bit." "I was thinking about my name. Then I spoke it. I was saying my name."

Jesus is God's mouthpiece, His speech, His spokesman. God, the Father/Creator is His Will or His mind & heart. The Holy Spirit is His Spirit, His Life-Force, His Essence & His heart. Am I preaching to the converted? You already knew all this didn't you?

[gamesbok]

@sthnwatch 'Jesus is God's mouthpiece, His speech, His spokesman. God, the Father/Creator is His Will or His mind & heart'

I was wondering how this proposition might be falsifiable,

[sthnwatch]

@gamesbok Every man is right in his own mind. The day will come when some will be found to have actually been with the truth & some will be found to have been deceived. Be careful that you're not deceiving yourself. These things are best broken down & simplified not thought out so much & debated among scholars. The truth is the truth & yet you can always falsify it in your own mind. That's part of our makeup, both fortunately & unfortunately.

[gamesbok]

@sthnwatch What I meant was Karl Poppers concept of falsifiable, ie is there ant test that might be performed whereby we might establish the validity of this statement. If there is not then the answer to the question becomes irrelevant.  It's not a question. It's meaningless.

In the unlikely event that I face some judgement after death I can face my maker with my integrity intact. I find religious folk lack honesty.

[sthnwatch]

@gamesbok Well I agree with you there, I find most religious people to be dishonest hypocrites. I find that most honest people are true to each other & not afraid of facing it & don't go to church very often at all either! A bit like you. God bless you, stay true.

[sthnwatch]

@gamesbok Y'know Popper's concept is kind of like being found guilty before being proven & having to prove innocence. Like why can't it just be felt in our heart as to whether it's true or false? Why? Because we can be deceived! So we should check if it's falsifiable but balance our judgement by cross-referencing/double-check­ing with our hearts. It's good to check if it's falsifiable but our hearts must overrule any systematic checks. All systems fail at some point.

[gamesbok]

@sthnwatch No, if it's not falsifiable then it isn't a proposition. It's a way of establishing if you're asking a real question. Chech your heart by all means, but wishful thinking will not lead to understanding.

[sthnwatch]

@gamesbok But the desire to understand will lead to it. And so what's the difference btwn desire & wishful thinking? The difference is that desire is a before-hand aspect & is fairly simple. Wishing is part of desire but "wishful thinking", as such, is delusion or deception perpetrated on oneself & only found out afterwards. "Wishful thinking is very complex too.

[gamesbok]

@sthnwatch Do you believe in 'objective truth'?

[sthnwatch]

@gamesbok And so I agree, "wishful thinking" won't lead to understanding. It will generally lead to deception, delusion & then disappointment.

[donnomar]

@AgApE010 well, it is like the batman from from the 1930, the batman from the 1960 and the batman from the 1990's. They are very different, but they are the same character... right? And we are talking 30 years separation from one to another. Now try to imagine how can it change in a few centuries... works or fiction are rewitten all the time

[thebestsuperdoctor]

This is full wild speculation with no solid foundation ready for those want to believe her claims. The fact that many Jews believed in Asherah proves nothing since The Bible tells of that. The only real point was between the words Asherah and Eshdath in Deuteronomy 33: 3. However she failed to shows an old version of Deuteronomy where word in asherah and not Eshdath. So My suggestion is that she go back to dig to bring this other version of Deuteronomy, els it's all for nothing.

[DONMURATTHEDUKE]

i want get in touch with this young lady i dont even know her name i want to tell her who asherah really is she is also known as Ninhursag she is the daughter of anu and his spous antu and there supreme leader is EL also known as yahweh and yes i can tell more ............

[Whiskyjack3]

@DONMURATTHEDUKE : Her name is Francesca Stavrakopolou