JESUS=FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST, TRINITY IS BLASPHEMY! AND THE SON WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN, THAT IS A HUGE CONTRADICTION AND NONSENSE! JESUS IS GOD BY HIMSELF! YOU JUST BELITTLED JESUS! THE HOLY SPIRIT GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS AS THE SON, NOT THE SO-CALLED ETERNAL SON, THEREFORE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SON'S FATHER BECAUSE IT GAVE BIRTH TO HIM, THEREFORE THE FATHER= HOLY GHOST AND THE HOLY GHOST (JESUS) WAS IN THE WOMB, AND SINCE FATHER=HOLY GHOST AND JESUS=HOLY GHOST, HE IS THE FATHER
I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.I will not leave you orphans;I will come to you.“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me.Because I live, you will live also.At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.Jn14:16-20
Wow, what a load of crap this video is. "God must be a Trinity because otherwise who would be running the universe when Jesus came?"?? Is this what passes for an intelligent argument these days? If God is INFINITE as you state, then coming to earth as Jesus while the rest of His infinity stays in heaven should be no problem for Him at all. I am a Christian, and these types of brainless arguments are part of the reason there are so many atheists.
How can one person be in heaven and not on earth and vice versa? You are limiting God! You are saying that he is not omnipresent! so you are thus not a christian!!!!! and i am justified by faith in saying this because you have said it yourself!!!!!!
The Spirit of God is an attribute of God, it is not a person. In due time the mystery of God will be revealed. What has been revealed to us is God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. Knowing the exact nature of God is not necessary for your salvation. Jesus Christ is our Savior. Through His Son we are reconciled to God. We have no other Mediator and Savior besides Him. This is what's essential for our salvation. The Trinity Doctrine is an addition, a conclusion, an uninspired guess.
I am Apostolic which means I believe that Jesus is God. The two baptism verses (Matthew 28:19 & Acts 2:38) work together. The Bible does not contradict itself so therefore baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ is baptizing in the name of the Father,Son, & Holy Ghost. :) so I don't believe in the trinity,(3 separate beings) but do believe that Jesus is God.
I am Apostolic which means I believe that Jesus is God. The two baptism verses (Matthew 28:19 & Acts 2:38) work together. The Bible does not contradict itself so therefore baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ is baptizing in the name of the Father,Son, & Holy Ghost. :)
@amanda28572 Matthew 12:32 says: Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come,..
How come if the three are on?Trinity is a fálse doctrine used by Satan (father of the lie) to lure people away from Knowledge about the one and only true God Jehovah. Better study hard and come to see the danger of this non biblical teaching!
I live in Boise, Idaho which is near where Mr. Slick lives. The other day I was at a Hastings entertainment store and I could not believe what I saw. The great and perfect Matt Slick was looking at the Maxim and Playboy magazines they had. I walked right over a began looking at them as well. I said "Hello mr. Slick" and he very quickly left the store. It was very amusing.
No matter how good your argument's are the hebrew and greek words for angel mean messenger. Jesus talked for someone else(John 5:30), did God talk for someone else?
OMG It's amazing how these guys can make an 'intelligent' argument and spend so much time in 'intelligent discussion' about the size and shape of the tooth fairy's wings. UNBELIEVABLE!!
@boc1953 Well, the likelihood of tooth fairies existing is the same as the likelihood of gods existing. Can't be disproven, but very, very, very, very highly probably isn't there
"Furthermore, God hardened it only so that He could do miracles that would spread word of His Name throughout the earth so that men might believe in Him (thereby being saved)."
Right, God hardened Pharaoh's heart SO THAT He could be seen as a Savior. I'm sorry u don't see the manipulation and deceit in that. Why would a god NEED 2 manipulate, what is SUPPOSED 2 B, FREEwill in order to make a name for Himself? We WERE made sinners BY Him for His purposes....if u believe this BS!
Sure, Pharaoh was a bad guy but God, specifically, hardened his heart and committed WAY more murder...
Ex 4:21 And the LORD said to Moses, “..., see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. 22 ... ‘Thus says the LORD: “Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 ..let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn.”’”
Good day...My thought or comment would be, where in your bible is the term, God the Son or God the Holy Spirit...I know this is a rhetorical question but I'm amazed how we take terms and make them biblical...All the Trinity is, is a man made doctrine of the Godhead...There is only One God in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Lord...
He created us as sinners or so It says. HE created us TO BE confused. The stumbling block was laid by the only One who COULD lay it. Even His own Apostles couldn't read the signs! How do u know those were HIS prophets? The Bible says many will claim to be prophets and NOT be and it says there HAS been false prophets. Who hardened Pharoah's heart? He makes us NOT listen and therefore guilty.
@julzabro God never created us to be sinners/confused. The bible says that nowhere. God created us for fellowship with Him. It says Pharoah hardened his own heart first, THEN God hardened. Furthermore, God hardened it only so that He could do miracles that would spread word of His Name throughout the earth so that men might believe in Him (thereby being saved). Dude, if you believe God's that mean, I don't blame you. But no, God gives everyone a chance, 'desiring all men to be saved' 1Tim 2.4
@theomathetes21 "God never created us to be sinners/confused. The bible says that nowhere."
MArk 4:11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that ‘ Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.’”
@julzabro You're taking Mark 4.11 out of context. This was the last year in Jesus' ministry after the crowds widespread rejection and misunderstanding. They were physically seeing/hearing but not spiritually seeing/hearing. Therefore, Jesus turned to training His disciples, who would eventually spread His Word after Jesus' resurrection to Israel AGAIN, then to the world (Acts 1.8). This lack of sight is their dullness, not God's. Even the saved disciples lacked sight at times (Mk 8.18)
@theomathetes21 Not sure what MArk verse yer talkin bout unless u r referring 2 me pointing out that even the Apostles didn't know the signs/screwed up. There is no confusing Peter's denial of Christ nor Judas' betrayal. Furthermore, Jesus chastised most of them for not knowing the signs! What about Timothy's lack of faith. I mean really what am I taking out of context again?
@theomathetes21 "God never created us to be sinners/confused.
Because one man sinned, we were ALL considered sinners and we were given the Law which condemned everyone. And the cards were stacked against us with a Tree and a cunning serpent! Without sin, we wouldn't have needed a Savior!
Rom 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
@julzabro Rom 5.19 answers your argument! If we have any question of God's justice in allowing the fall of man, it is answered by God's own sacrifice to redeem us back. We freely fell, we can freely come back to God now.
God did not create or cause evil. He has the right to create any kind of world he wants- including one w/ free will rather than robots. Only free will allows genuine love; God considered it worth the risk. He created the best possible way to obtain the best possible world.
@theomathetes21 "We freely fell, we can freely come back to God now." #1 We did NOT freely fall, it was part of a plan! And most are condemned for what OTHERS did! #2 What god cannot b with us without needing 2 create a calamity which causes death, fear and suffering 4 thousands of yrs AND counting in order 2 make Himself necessary thru a supposed noble sacrifice? God DID and DOES cause evil It says so and even if HE hadn't, HE can stop it but doesn't!
@theomathetes21 Where does it say Pharaoh hardened his OWN heart FIRST? And even if you CAN give me THAT verse, you need only look back at Joseph's story 2 c how Pharaoh's gained control. Gen 47: 23 Then Joseph said to the people, “Indeed I have bought you and your land this day for Pharaoh. ...25 So they said, “You have saved our lives; let us find favor in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants.”
@julzabro Exodus 8:15 says Pharaoh did. He kept resisting God anyway, so God hardened him further, but for good purpose: so He could do miracles that would spread word of Yahweh across the world (Exod 9.16). It isn’t just so he could be seen as a Savior of Israel, but that people would believe and know God for their own eternal salvation. Even Pharaoh had reason to trust God after this. God maneuvering history to SAVE people from damnation doesn’t seem like evil mastermind manipulation to me.
@theomathetes21 Back further! Exodus 4:21 And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. Pharoah was bad to begin with but couldn't God have just killed Pharaoh? Why did all the children of Egypt have to die. And yes, God WAS making a name for Himself He says so!
@theomathetes21 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
@theomathetes21 Ex 6:7 I will take you as My people, and I will be your God. Then you shall know that I am the LORD your God who brings you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you into the land which I swore to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and I will give it to you as a heritage: I am the LORD.’”
@julzabro I’m not sure what you mean by the Joseph example. Are you saying Joseph’s family came to be slaves of Pharaoh? That isn’t what it says. To be “servants” of Pharaoh only means they are under his authority as ALL Egyptians were, not to be slaves. In fact, every ancient people were servants under some monarch's authority, so nothing unusual here. It clearly says they were not forced-labor slaves a later Pharaoh enslaved the Hebrews (Exod 1.8)
@theomathetes21 Gen 47:23 Then Joseph said to the people, “Indeed I have bought you and your land this day for Pharaoh...25 So they said, “You have saved our lives; let us find favor in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants.” 26 And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt to this day, that Pharaoh should have one-fifth, except for the land of the priests only, which did not become Pharaoh’s.
@julzabro I'm curious, do you have a history with Calvinist/Reformed Christians? A lot of times hyper-calvinists make a portrait of God like the one you’re making, but this does not take in the whole of Scripture. But you’re building strawmen charicatures of God and accusing me of believing BS. I don’t believe God is like what you’re saying. I would be pretty upset if God was like that too! I’d be cool to discuss this more with you. Message me! I'm checking this more often now.
"God the Son" couldn't manifest himself in a pile of poop, since there is no such entity. You trinitarians made that up. Give us the citation or shut up about "God the Son". It ain't in scripture. God our Father is the very One Who manifest Himself in the flesh. Jesus was a man, but in Him was the FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD Bodily. How is this possible, oh carnal man? God can put Himself FULLY anywhere He wishes, yet He is FULLY EVERYWHERE. What a faithless question from the serpent you ask!
How can God fully manifest Himself in the body of his dear son and yet still rule the universe, Mr. Slick. You ask a foolish question because your heart is enamored of a doctrine of devils. "Trinity" is for liars who unwittingly DENY their Father, the ONLY SAVIOR. Read Isaiah to see whether this is so. God the Father is the ONLY PERSON in the Godhead. He is a Spirit. He is Holy. This is ONE Person, not three, according to the ONLY scripture speaking of God in terms of "Person", Heb. 1:3.
Against this liar's tricks stand scriptures. There is no such thing as "God the Son". Give us the citation, Mr. Tricky Slick. That you draw on the pagan idea that God is in the business of having other "god children", namely the god person called "God the Son" is WICKED indeed. The Bible tells us that the SON OF GOD (not your blasphemous "God the Son") was born of a virgin. He was the ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God, not a begotten god. That is a Roman Catholic, gnostic LIE from hell.
Mr. Tricky Slick asks the question "Can we be saved without believing in the trinity". He concludes that since there is a trinity, we can not be saved if we don't believe in it. This is BEGGING THE QUESTION, inserting in the premise what is under question. Essentially, the only thing that this trickster has said, is "IF there is a trinity, then there is a trinity". Of course to maintain the appearance that this is more than NOTHING, Mr. Slick has to sneak in "God the Son", a pagan invention.
The bible DOES teach the TRUINE nature of God, but NO WHERE in the BIBLE does the TRINITY ever get taught, nor is the word even found in the bible. Oh, by the weay there is ONE God. I think its semantics and you have read too many anticult books!! Carm...you are an interesting fella!!
With All Your Heart AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU WILL FIND HIM IF YOU SEEK HIM WITH ALL YOUR HEART!!! And WHEN YOU ARE FOUND OF HIM, YOU WILL START LIVING THE LIFE HE DESTINED FOR YOU. . .LIFE AS IT SHOULD BE!!!
Sorry, I posted the same content 4 times below, mistake, I am NOT perfect, but that wasn't a sin, right! Just a inconvenience, Continuing. . .if one desire to see The Righteous, they must be like HIM and those that obey HIM SHALL SEE HIM FACE TO FACE AS HE IS, Baruch Atah Yahshua!!! HIS ETERNAL LIFE IN YOU COMPELLS YOU TO LIVE A HOLY SACTIFIED LIFE, TO BE PLEASING TO HIM AND HE SHALL FELLOWSHIP WITH YOU AND WILL SHOW YOU THINGS TO COME, WHY? So, You Will Know Who HE IS, You Must seek HIM----->
Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! -->
Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! -->
Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! ->
Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! -->
Presnce in my LIFE, IN FACT, I Share with anyone that will listen, THAT MESSIAH IS THE LIFE AND RESURRECTION, He WHO Belives IN HIM Shall NOT Perish, But Have Ever Lasting Life. . .This requires living a life that is PURE AND HOLY, Messiah says, He Who Belives In ME AND (this is a conditional promise!) OBEYS MY WORD Has Life In Himeself And Shall Never Die! This IS Truth, NOT my opinion, perception or clever array of knowledge, THESE ARE HIS WORDS AND HIS WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LLIFE! -->
And without notice MESSIAH entered into my soul AND EVERYTHING CHANGED IMMEDIATELY. . .Life has Never been the same! Have I had trials like others, YES! Would I change a thing now at 49yrs old NO, NO And NO, except one thing I would have chosen Messiah's appearing to me 21yrs earlier BUT at 39yrs old was a single Major event in OUR lives THAT CHANGED ME AGAIN AND I LEARNED WAS SIN REALLY WAS AND HOW I CAME TO ABHORE IT, IN ALL ITS DECEPTIVE PRATICES!
Old. Messiah SAID TO ME, "You Are An Evangelist" I did NOT even know- What An Even Evangelist was!" But, When I learned "What An Evangelist was" I was already doing THE WORK of One! The gift was already working in me to do Good for others! At the time just previous of tha very day I was a notroious drug dealer in a little town in WV named, Spencer. A man simple put in his hand on me at a prayer meeting I was invited to by my guitar teacher, David Bush. I was pretending to pray like the others-->
A TRIUNE GOD. Havard was a "Christian College at one time AND their Theology professor dug into the teaching of the trinity, AS THE CATHOLICS teach it. That's where it originated! He concluded after exshustive study that the the trinty was NOT to be found in scrpture, one HAS to read that into the scriptures by inference. MESSIAH APPEARED TO ME! THE FIRST THING HE TOLD ME "THE TRINITY AS MEN TEACH IT IS NOT TRUE" Although I was raised in catholicism, I was BAPTISED in the Ruach HaKodesh at 18yrs
Do you all not see the flaw here? A god needed a human sacrifice of HIMSELF in order to save His creatures/children from His OWN judgment/punishment????? I know ya'all will scream freewill at me but this so-called FREEwill is NOT free!!! Either you BELIEVE this tyrant or, supposedly, you get punished for eternity. How can anyone continue worshipping this stuff?
@julzabro First, the Son and Father are not the same person, so it wouldn't be sacrificing himself. Second, God needs to satisfy his justice and his love for humanity, both are fully achieved on the cross. Can a mere man, whom we do not sin against, take on the sins of the world? Seems highly unlikely. God must punish sins or he belittles himself, the sin problem, and even humanity. God loves his creation. How would you handle this dilemma if you were God?
@Gentle135 John 10:30 ...I and My Father are one.” John 13:2 If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately.
God NEEDS? God could've had his needs satisified by never creating evil in the first place! God belittled Himself by creating/allowing sin to exist for His own purposes...this is NOT love! As a God, I would not allow any "dilemma".
@julzabro God didn't create evil. This is where the free will agents response comes in, which you've already alluded to not liking. God created the possibility of evil entering the world by creating free will agents. The fact that free will agents freely go bad does not reflect poorly on God but only on those free will agents.
@Gentle135 I thought God created everything? So man created evil? How can a merciful and loving God create even a possibility for evil??? Yes, for one to be free to choose...there needs to be more than ONE choice but God has left his free will agents alone in their own misery and this isn't mercy or love. He flooded the world once cuz He reckognized His mistake...?!? Plus, there are many who suffer...still.... who never choose sin....!?!
Every single time you sin, you choose to sin. Yes, you did not choose to be born a sinner, I wrestled with this myself years ago. You didn't choose to even be born, but like it or not your here and a sinner so you have to deal with it. God has not left his free will agents alone at all! Thats part of the Gospel, we are not alone and we have one that can identify with us and bridge the gap between God and sinful man, Jesus.
@Gentle135 Even those who believe still sin and still have prayers that don't come true. Neither Jesus Himself nor belief IN Jesus take away the pain and suffering of innocent people here n now in THIS life and becuz of that it's easy 2 c that there can NOT be a loving, merciful god! There r so many cases where innocent people r plagued with tragedy and misery who by NO MEANS OF THEIR OWN have shitty lives! How can u worship a god that does nothing while innocent people suffer?
Jesus did not offer to make your life happy and wonderful. The offer made on the cross is for what your eternal destiny is after you die. Being sinless and not suffering up to your death was not offered. As long as God has a morally sufficient reason for allowing suffering in the world suffering does not eliminate God from being loving. I can imagine all kinds of reasons for suffering. People tend to turn to God at their worst moments and God is in the business of saving people being one.
@Gentle135 I don't care about life after death. I care about all the people suffering HERE in THIS life, which ONE WOULD THINK would b a concern 4 a loving, merciful creator! And y give us THIS life that we're sposed to be so thankful 4 if all it is is a test? Even 4 those who r righteous already like Job? What, in ur opinion, IS a "morally sufficient reason" 4 suffering 2 b allowed by A GOD? Ur god is a narcissist. Love is not about making people suffer SO THAT they turn to u!
50-60 years of life. Life after death, as many years as forever takes. Yeah, makes sense that this life should be more focused on. Lets see.. sent his Son to die for us to reconcile us to Him and give us the Holy Spirit to comfort us. Nah, doesn't care at all. But whats really interesting is that on your view there is ZERO comfort, in fact you have no value. People turn to God when they suffer because they don't when things are awesome, this is our fault not God's.
@Gentle135 Y did He NEED His SON (which WAS HIM) to die? Think about that a GOD NEEDED?!? He created SIN...He ALLOWED sin so that HE COULD BE THE SAVIOR! And what Holy Spirit?!? It only comforts those who r capable of being brainwashed and only temporarily WHILE they hallucinate....people still suffer and STILL live with fear. Knowing that there IS zero comfort is realistic, realism is NOT without value! People turn 2 god when they suffer cuz they were led 2 blieve He would actually help!
@julzabro Seriously, if suffering does lead people to God and having an awesome cool fun life doesn't lead people to God, which life do you think God would want for you? Why would God want you to believe in him? Because your sin problem keeps you from Him and He is trying to solve that problem for you!
@Gentle135 God would want me to have the shitty life, of cours and THAT'S my point!!! If you love someone, you don't REQUIRE them to have a shitty life so that YOU are loved! That's SICK! And belieiving in God does NOT keep people from "sinning"! And I CAN'T believe in something I KNOW is not true...that's impossible! He created the problem...therefore, why trust HIM to solve it? If God didn't want us to be miserable...sinning in a fallen world, he wouldn't have CREATED it this way!!!!
God created the possibility for humans to have a sin problem so they'd have genuine free will agency. It is up to the agents on whether they end up with a sin problem or not. Blaming God doesn't end the problem it makes it worse. I trust God to solve our sin problem because he DID. Your rejecting the solution and so it isn't solved for you. The solution isn't you no longer sin though you should sin less by default, the solution is it doesn't count against you.
@Gentle135 So God CREATED A PROBLEM....GOD CREATED SIN! Thank you for agreeing woth me! And, according to YOU, God did this all for FREE will? So IF something is free, it means there's no cost, right? So, what does ur Doctrine say the wages of sin are again??? So it's NOT free! No, blaming God doesn't end any problems since He doesn't exist but when people stop waitin 4 an imagined skydaddy, they may be more apt to solve problems themSELVES!
@julzabro Take this rage to God. You will find that He will hear your complaint. Coming to God is HARD. You must pass through a dreadful gate through which you come to terms with your own mortality. There it is possible for you to turn to God with everything that you are, the evil and the good. The lie of the Serpent was that we would be as gods, knowing good from evil. The reality is that we are CONFUSED about this, enmeshed in it. God alone, the Wholly Other, SEES the difference.
@jhall38 U have mistakened my "rage" as if I'm someone looking 4 god and u r quite mistaken. I DID look for god and even as an Atheist I keep my eyes open for ANY possibility that I am wrong. I already went thru the gate and found the man behind the curtain! The fact that we R confusedis a sign that no god exists. What god cannot be clear about who/what He is? Furthermore, if He sees His children fighting for thousands of years due to HIS LACK OF CLARITY, one would think He'd fix the problem!
@julzabro It's cool you're open like that! Good Qs. But confusion is our fault isnt it? God is clear enough that He's present and asks for our faith and service to Him, but also mysterious - we cant know everything. Even Dawkins said if there is a Deity he's "a very complex character." God did "fix the problem." He's sent prophets for millennia, came down in Christ to reveal Himself Savior for all, in the last 2000yrs He's sent men like St. Francis, John Hus, Martin Luther, etc. But who listens?
@theomathetes21 And many people DO listen to goodness, yet they will still suffer. If HE sent Prophets then those Prophets should not fail and if HE MADE US then we should be able to listen and NOT be confused. A GOD does NOT make mistakes. How can we be condemned for WHAT WE ARE??? It's like painting a picture and then condemning it for not being a symphony!
@julzabro Your premise isn't sound. God made us good, we chose evil. People too often don't choose the goodness of God. That's the problem: Prophets shouldn't fail to persuade people to believe God, because it makes sense; yet they refused to listen. And that's the solution: We don't need to be condemned. Jesus promised anyone who believes in Him is never condemned (John 3.18). We have a way out readily available to us; if we don't choose it, that's our own fault.
@theomathetes21 "People too often don't choose the goodness of God." Was God good to make a Tree that contained EVIL knowing we would eat it? Was God good when He made a serpent and allowed it to tempt? And how bout all those 1st born Egyptian babies (as 1 example).....did they even have the chance to choose anything? What was THEIR crime? Yeah, Pharaoh didn't CHOOSE correctly I s'pose either, yet we can CLEARLY SEE that God manipulated him. Right, we don't need 2 b condemned and NEVER did!
@theomathetes21 "...if we don't choose it, that's our own fault." If we're at fault, in your opinion, by NOT choosing to worship an evil demiurge who is CLEARLY manipulative for His own gain, then I guess it is YOUR premise that requires some scrutiny!
@julzabro Manipulative? God loves YOU. God became a baby who became a man to allow Himself to be brutally tortured and murdered for YOU. Maneuvering history so that He can SAVE YOU is bad? Does the fireman who tears open an already totaled car to save a dying person manipulative? If we trust in Christ we're forgiven of sins and given eternal fellowship with the God who loves us, the most satisfying of Beings. We don't understand everything God does, but He has given enough proof of His goodness.
@theomathetes21 Why would a god not be able 2 find another way then to make Himself NEED 2 sacrifice Himself?? "Maneuvering history" is seriously candy coating it. He didn't maneuver, He planned to BECOME the hero by causing the calamity in the 1st place! No, cuz a fireman doesn't plan the fire AND doesn't have the power or foresight to KEEP the fire from happening! He hasn't given ME and many others enuff proof. Can u believe in fairies or leprachauns? In the same way I cannot believe in god!
@Gentle135 So sin doesn't count against anymore? Or does that only work 4 u believers? Does that mean innocent people don't have fear or pain anymore cuz ur mighty god solved it? And how does blaming a god that's imaginary to prove a point 2 U make anything worse? SOLUTION? If ur solution was REAL, I may consider it but ur solution is as real as saying a unicorn is our savior. LOOK AROUND U! Yes, I reject kool-aid so there IS still a problem cuz I'm still awake and can SEE!!!
Your explanations would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic. You muddy the understanding of who God is for those gullible enough to believe the poison you teach. I wonder if you really even understand what it is that you are saying as it makes no sense whatever. I can't really understand why you are even masquerading as someone who is knowledgeable in spiritual matters. Is it because you have an seriously inflated ego and want to be noticed, or is there a darker motive at work here.
Reminds me of a used car salesman and when he reads scripture its a disclaimer. Hate to tell the guy but Jesus is not Almighty God. He totally did not understand the cross. Jesus was the Lamb of God not the Lamb of me. Jesus did not die to appease the God he died to appease the LAW.
@ProveYourFaith wow great reply, but no really taking away the full deity of jesus christ is plain wrong and its clear that all you JWs are a bunch of brainwashed fruitloops who will deny the truth at any cost...even if that be an eternity in the "common grave??" (what about the moaning and gnashing of teeth? or did they take that out of the new world translation of the bible too)?
@samsaccountyea It is true you think if I don't believe as you I am denying Jesus. It is You who I am denying not Jesus. You continue to show your ignorance I am not a JW.
Jesus did not not die to appease God he died to appease the Law.
@sanderasamp Yes this means it was foolish for anyone to go to God in scripture. It was also foolish for Moses to beg God not to depart from them. THe whole belief is foolish really.
4 those of u who think Matt is not an expert. Hes probly bean studing 4 a verry long time and I have watched many of his vids and hes wright in every 1. I have bean going 2 church my hole life. And 4 u atheists. Evulution is a theory made in China not literaly but that about how cheap it is gaps and far fetched. I think u need a new theiry.
The Book of Numbers. 21:6 It speaks about the creation of a bronze snake (the Nehustan) attributed to Moses
And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a poisonous serpent, and set it on a pole; and everyone who is bitten shall look at it and live." So Moses made a serpent of bronze, and put it upon a pole; and whenever a serpent bit someone, that person would look at the serpent of bronze and live.
Matt Slick likes to act like an expert of his shit. But thats the same as being an expert on Alladin. Both are fiction, except somehow people believe this garbage.
The Trinity does not determine our salvation but only the faith in JesusChrist... and just because God came down as a man does not mean there needs to be a trinity in order that heaven and the universe would not be alone... gosh these people cant understand the concept of OMNIPRESENT... no need of a trinity to be more than one place at the same time without being the same unipersonal God...
The fact is is jesus was god there is no trinity jesus was the son of god and he bore the sins of man but just becuse jesus is called the son of god does not mean he is the 2nd person of the trinity it was the flesh of jesus that bore the sins of man not the spirt the spirit was god. in the flesh "jesus"
The word 'trinity' is another failed attempt to describe the One true and living eternal God.
The word 'trinity' does not explain the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
The word 'trinity' has absolutely nothing to do with the cleansing power of the blood of Jesus Christ which is on the mercy seat in the temple of God in heaven.
God is indeed Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God is elohim, which is plural.
But, the term 'trinity' is extra-biblical, and found nowhere in all of Scripture.
This isn't a very good question. If God's attributes are truly omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence, then His ability to save has nothing to do with whether or not God is a "trinity".
Now that I think more about it this is actually a really, REALLY bad question.
Amen! Jesus is not God. This video really condemns those who believe in the son of God. First of all, the Word of God states that whosoever believes in the son of God has eternal life. I have no idea where they are getting 'God the Son. I hope it's just dyslexia.
Wow, Matt Slick, you're still denying the gospel that "God so loved the world that he sent his Son so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life." It was pleasing for God that his Son should die for mankind, and here you say that it was not good enough. And then you will go on and say that the "human" died not that "deity" died contradicting your babble in this video.
By the way, I still remember the day when Neil (aka Eesh Gibbor) spanked you on the doctrine of the trinity.
We see in Revelation ONE on the throne and one who was slain beside the throne. GOD and the Lamb ... TWO very different persons. ONE is the creator and one is the slain Lamb who takes the seals out of the right hand of the ONE on the throne. SEE Rev. 4-5 (read carefully).
Who does the Bible teach that Jesus Christ is? The Son of God
The problem is they 'needed' the invention of the trinity to support the 'eternal soul' idea. They needed the 'eternal soul' to support the threat of eternal torment of the soul in a firey hell. These ideas (including trinity) came from pagan religions of the time and were taken on because of pagans joining the church.
It's not a surprise that this idea was not heard of until 150 years after the death of Christ and not supported for a few hundred years after the last Apostle died...
Actually, Matt, there is NO WAY that GOD could be His own sacrifice. He requires BLOOD for the remission of sin, Heb. 9:22.
GOD is spirit. No man has ever seen or heard Him, I Tim. 6:16, John 5:37, John 1:18, I John 4:12, because He is light, I John 1:5 and dwells in unapproachable light, I Tim. 6:16.
Jesus Christ was the messenger of the covenant, Malachi 3:1 (Angel of the LORD) prior to his leaving this place of glory and being born as MORTAL flesh and blood so that he COULD die.
Why all all of the BEST comments getting thumbs down?! lol
These are some of the most intelligent, scripture supported comments I have seen, and people give them thumbs down because they go against mainstream Christianity?
That first part of your comment you made was BAMM!!
God CANNOT be His own sacrifice. It even says in scripture, that Jesus cried out to God asking why has he forsaken him! First of all, that proves Jesus isn't 'all-knowing', as God is, and second, God can't turn on Himself.
For the sake of question Matt...how does this provide evidence for the Holy Spirit being necessary for salvation? Based on the video you only provided evidence for two persons being necessary for salvation. Good video though.
1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Does this sound like someone you heard of?
Father. Son, and Holy Spirit. Three but One. If that's not a mystery to the natrual mind I don't know what is.
god is make believe, don't agree? then prove it. with scientific evidence. because almost everything in your lives, the scientific process has had a part in, why not let it have a part in the biggest question of all, our origins. the majority of the bible can be disproven very easily by the scientific process. haha and I'm just an airplane mechanic, an actual scientist would blow any idea you have about religion out of the water. Evolution is a proven fact, you dont believe in it, you accept it.
H2O is a formula that makes water in various forms 100% of the time. That formula must exist before the elements are introduced. A pre-existing formula demonstratively demonstrates intelligence. Unless of course chemical formulas and mathematical equations came from NOTHING.
You are saying AS IF there is a "God Jesus" and a separate "Human Jesus"
That is not the case
John 10 : "The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father"
If God isn't a trinity, how are we made in His image? Why does He say "Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness"? How is it that no man has seen the Father, yet people in the OT (Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Job, Isaiah) have seen Him?
A trinity makes sense when you consider that the body, soul, and spirit are 3 different entities that make up one being as would the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit be one God.
B) He is, as revealed through scripture. Reread how God created the world. The first few verses of Genesis show His Triune nature. Again we have a body, soul, and spirit (Genesis 2:7) Paul attests to this as well.
C) NIV is trash, seems to be on par with the NWT.
D) Read the bible.
E) The Father isn't the Son nor the Holy Spirit. The Son isn't the Father nor the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't the Father nor the Son.
"You just refuse..." A) I just fail to see how being made in God's image makes God 3 people. "Genesis show his Triune nature." B) Funny how no Jew from Adam in the garden to the prophet Malachi ever reached that conclusion. "NIV is trash" C) Sure why not. "Read the bible" D) Ok thats nice. "The Father isn't..." E) What does that have to do with my comment? F) The Trinity doctrine isn't that God is 3 entities.
A) I'll ask the question again: how are we made in His image?
B) Adam saw God walking in the garden, spoke with Him, and God had slain animals to cover his and Eve's naked bodies. Moses wrote the first 5 books, and seemed to understand that. Isaiah claims that God is "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY".
C) You can use any study guide or footnotes to justify a belief.
D) Yeah, you should try it sometime.
E) That they are separate in sentience.
F) I understand that and apologize for saying "entities".
JESUS=FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST, TRINITY IS BLASPHEMY! AND THE SON WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN, THAT IS A HUGE CONTRADICTION AND NONSENSE! JESUS IS GOD BY HIMSELF! YOU JUST BELITTLED JESUS! THE HOLY SPIRIT GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS AS THE SON, NOT THE SO-CALLED ETERNAL SON, THEREFORE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SON'S FATHER BECAUSE IT GAVE BIRTH TO HIM, THEREFORE THE FATHER= HOLY GHOST AND THE HOLY GHOST (JESUS) WAS IN THE WOMB, AND SINCE FATHER=HOLY GHOST AND JESUS=HOLY GHOST, HE IS THE FATHER
nauqim0 1 week ago
I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.I will not leave you orphans;I will come to you.“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me.Because I live, you will live also.At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.Jn14:16-20
dakotaander 1 month ago
Wow, what a load of crap this video is. "God must be a Trinity because otherwise who would be running the universe when Jesus came?"?? Is this what passes for an intelligent argument these days? If God is INFINITE as you state, then coming to earth as Jesus while the rest of His infinity stays in heaven should be no problem for Him at all. I am a Christian, and these types of brainless arguments are part of the reason there are so many atheists.
LordPrometheus 1 month ago
I would also challenge you to show ANYWHERE in Scripture where it commands me to believe in the Trinity for my salvation.
LordPrometheus 1 month ago
How can one person be in heaven and not on earth and vice versa? You are limiting God! You are saying that he is not omnipresent! so you are thus not a christian!!!!! and i am justified by faith in saying this because you have said it yourself!!!!!!
datadead1 4 months ago
The Spirit of God is an attribute of God, it is not a person. In due time the mystery of God will be revealed. What has been revealed to us is God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. Knowing the exact nature of God is not necessary for your salvation. Jesus Christ is our Savior. Through His Son we are reconciled to God. We have no other Mediator and Savior besides Him. This is what's essential for our salvation. The Trinity Doctrine is an addition, a conclusion, an uninspired guess.
DLando 4 months ago
so true! amen!
JesusIsGodAmen 6 months ago
You still have not souled me on this
mlfgraph 6 months ago
I am Apostolic which means I believe that Jesus is God. The two baptism verses (Matthew 28:19 & Acts 2:38) work together. The Bible does not contradict itself so therefore baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ is baptizing in the name of the Father,Son, & Holy Ghost. :) so I don't believe in the trinity,(3 separate beings) but do believe that Jesus is God.
amanda28572 6 months ago
I am Apostolic which means I believe that Jesus is God. The two baptism verses (Matthew 28:19 & Acts 2:38) work together. The Bible does not contradict itself so therefore baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ is baptizing in the name of the Father,Son, & Holy Ghost. :)
amanda28572 6 months ago
@amanda28572 Matthew 12:32 says: Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come,..
How come if the three are on?Trinity is a fálse doctrine used by Satan (father of the lie) to lure people away from Knowledge about the one and only true God Jehovah. Better study hard and come to see the danger of this non biblical teaching!
SpiritualParadise 5 months ago
lmao wow and this guy judges Arnold Murray lol. They're so many things wrong with what you said.
ljk1181 7 months ago
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I live in Boise, Idaho which is near where Mr. Slick lives. The other day I was at a Hastings entertainment store and I could not believe what I saw. The great and perfect Matt Slick was looking at the Maxim and Playboy magazines they had. I walked right over a began looking at them as well. I said "Hello mr. Slick" and he very quickly left the store. It was very amusing.
MrSupernova890 7 months ago
@Upermonotheismos Intresting that you would reject the 1st ecumentical council of the united Christian church.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
i agree we can not redeem ourselves but god forgave us, he is a god of infinite mercy
777theslayer 8 months ago
No matter how good your argument's are the hebrew and greek words for angel mean messenger. Jesus talked for someone else(John 5:30), did God talk for someone else?
teflonfanatic 9 months ago
OMG It's amazing how these guys can make an 'intelligent' argument and spend so much time in 'intelligent discussion' about the size and shape of the tooth fairy's wings. UNBELIEVABLE!!
boc1953 9 months ago
@boc1953 What does a tooth fairy have to do with the video? Or theology in general?
MalakaiJ 7 months ago
@boc1953 Well, the likelihood of tooth fairies existing is the same as the likelihood of gods existing. Can't be disproven, but very, very, very, very highly probably isn't there
boc1953 7 months ago
"Furthermore, God hardened it only so that He could do miracles that would spread word of His Name throughout the earth so that men might believe in Him (thereby being saved)."
Right, God hardened Pharaoh's heart SO THAT He could be seen as a Savior. I'm sorry u don't see the manipulation and deceit in that. Why would a god NEED 2 manipulate, what is SUPPOSED 2 B, FREEwill in order to make a name for Himself? We WERE made sinners BY Him for His purposes....if u believe this BS!
julzabro 10 months ago
Sure, Pharaoh was a bad guy but God, specifically, hardened his heart and committed WAY more murder...
Ex 4:21 And the LORD said to Moses, “..., see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. 22 ... ‘Thus says the LORD: “Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 ..let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn.”’”
julzabro 10 months ago
Good day...My thought or comment would be, where in your bible is the term, God the Son or God the Holy Spirit...I know this is a rhetorical question but I'm amazed how we take terms and make them biblical...All the Trinity is, is a man made doctrine of the Godhead...There is only One God in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Lord...
VesselsofTruth 10 months ago
He created us as sinners or so It says. HE created us TO BE confused. The stumbling block was laid by the only One who COULD lay it. Even His own Apostles couldn't read the signs! How do u know those were HIS prophets? The Bible says many will claim to be prophets and NOT be and it says there HAS been false prophets. Who hardened Pharoah's heart? He makes us NOT listen and therefore guilty.
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro God never created us to be sinners/confused. The bible says that nowhere. God created us for fellowship with Him. It says Pharoah hardened his own heart first, THEN God hardened. Furthermore, God hardened it only so that He could do miracles that would spread word of His Name throughout the earth so that men might believe in Him (thereby being saved). Dude, if you believe God's that mean, I don't blame you. But no, God gives everyone a chance, 'desiring all men to be saved' 1Tim 2.4
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 "God never created us to be sinners/confused. The bible says that nowhere."
MArk 4:11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that ‘ Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.’”
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro You're taking Mark 4.11 out of context. This was the last year in Jesus' ministry after the crowds widespread rejection and misunderstanding. They were physically seeing/hearing but not spiritually seeing/hearing. Therefore, Jesus turned to training His disciples, who would eventually spread His Word after Jesus' resurrection to Israel AGAIN, then to the world (Acts 1.8). This lack of sight is their dullness, not God's. Even the saved disciples lacked sight at times (Mk 8.18)
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 Not sure what MArk verse yer talkin bout unless u r referring 2 me pointing out that even the Apostles didn't know the signs/screwed up. There is no confusing Peter's denial of Christ nor Judas' betrayal. Furthermore, Jesus chastised most of them for not knowing the signs! What about Timothy's lack of faith. I mean really what am I taking out of context again?
julzabro 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 "God never created us to be sinners/confused.
Because one man sinned, we were ALL considered sinners and we were given the Law which condemned everyone. And the cards were stacked against us with a Tree and a cunning serpent! Without sin, we wouldn't have needed a Savior!
Rom 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro Rom 5.19 answers your argument! If we have any question of God's justice in allowing the fall of man, it is answered by God's own sacrifice to redeem us back. We freely fell, we can freely come back to God now.
God did not create or cause evil. He has the right to create any kind of world he wants- including one w/ free will rather than robots. Only free will allows genuine love; God considered it worth the risk. He created the best possible way to obtain the best possible world.
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 "We freely fell, we can freely come back to God now." #1 We did NOT freely fall, it was part of a plan! And most are condemned for what OTHERS did! #2 What god cannot b with us without needing 2 create a calamity which causes death, fear and suffering 4 thousands of yrs AND counting in order 2 make Himself necessary thru a supposed noble sacrifice? God DID and DOES cause evil It says so and even if HE hadn't, HE can stop it but doesn't!
julzabro 10 months ago
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Is 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’
julzabro 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 Where does it say Pharaoh hardened his OWN heart FIRST? And even if you CAN give me THAT verse, you need only look back at Joseph's story 2 c how Pharaoh's gained control. Gen 47: 23 Then Joseph said to the people, “Indeed I have bought you and your land this day for Pharaoh. ...25 So they said, “You have saved our lives; let us find favor in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants.”
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro Exodus 8:15 says Pharaoh did. He kept resisting God anyway, so God hardened him further, but for good purpose: so He could do miracles that would spread word of Yahweh across the world (Exod 9.16). It isn’t just so he could be seen as a Savior of Israel, but that people would believe and know God for their own eternal salvation. Even Pharaoh had reason to trust God after this. God maneuvering history to SAVE people from damnation doesn’t seem like evil mastermind manipulation to me.
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 Back further! Exodus 4:21 And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. Pharoah was bad to begin with but couldn't God have just killed Pharaoh? Why did all the children of Egypt have to die. And yes, God WAS making a name for Himself He says so!
julzabro 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
julzabro 10 months ago
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@theomathetes21 Ex 6:7 I will take you as My people, and I will be your God. Then you shall know that I am the LORD your God who brings you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you into the land which I swore to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and I will give it to you as a heritage: I am the LORD.’”
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro I’m not sure what you mean by the Joseph example. Are you saying Joseph’s family came to be slaves of Pharaoh? That isn’t what it says. To be “servants” of Pharaoh only means they are under his authority as ALL Egyptians were, not to be slaves. In fact, every ancient people were servants under some monarch's authority, so nothing unusual here. It clearly says they were not forced-labor slaves a later Pharaoh enslaved the Hebrews (Exod 1.8)
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 Gen 47:23 Then Joseph said to the people, “Indeed I have bought you and your land this day for Pharaoh...25 So they said, “You have saved our lives; let us find favor in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants.” 26 And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt to this day, that Pharaoh should have one-fifth, except for the land of the priests only, which did not become Pharaoh’s.
WHO made them servants in the 1st place?
julzabro 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 Maybe u ought to read and actually CONSIDER what it is your believing in....maybe then you will see that, yes, this God IS mean!
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro I'm curious, do you have a history with Calvinist/Reformed Christians? A lot of times hyper-calvinists make a portrait of God like the one you’re making, but this does not take in the whole of Scripture. But you’re building strawmen charicatures of God and accusing me of believing BS. I don’t believe God is like what you’re saying. I would be pretty upset if God was like that too! I’d be cool to discuss this more with you. Message me! I'm checking this more often now.
Peace
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 "make a portrait"??? It's ALL in YOUR DOctrine! And no...I am an Atheist! I will PM u if u'd like.
julzabro 10 months ago
"God the Son" couldn't manifest himself in a pile of poop, since there is no such entity. You trinitarians made that up. Give us the citation or shut up about "God the Son". It ain't in scripture. God our Father is the very One Who manifest Himself in the flesh. Jesus was a man, but in Him was the FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD Bodily. How is this possible, oh carnal man? God can put Himself FULLY anywhere He wishes, yet He is FULLY EVERYWHERE. What a faithless question from the serpent you ask!
jhall38 11 months ago
How can God fully manifest Himself in the body of his dear son and yet still rule the universe, Mr. Slick. You ask a foolish question because your heart is enamored of a doctrine of devils. "Trinity" is for liars who unwittingly DENY their Father, the ONLY SAVIOR. Read Isaiah to see whether this is so. God the Father is the ONLY PERSON in the Godhead. He is a Spirit. He is Holy. This is ONE Person, not three, according to the ONLY scripture speaking of God in terms of "Person", Heb. 1:3.
jhall38 11 months ago
Against this liar's tricks stand scriptures. There is no such thing as "God the Son". Give us the citation, Mr. Tricky Slick. That you draw on the pagan idea that God is in the business of having other "god children", namely the god person called "God the Son" is WICKED indeed. The Bible tells us that the SON OF GOD (not your blasphemous "God the Son") was born of a virgin. He was the ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God, not a begotten god. That is a Roman Catholic, gnostic LIE from hell.
jhall38 11 months ago
Mr. Tricky Slick asks the question "Can we be saved without believing in the trinity". He concludes that since there is a trinity, we can not be saved if we don't believe in it. This is BEGGING THE QUESTION, inserting in the premise what is under question. Essentially, the only thing that this trickster has said, is "IF there is a trinity, then there is a trinity". Of course to maintain the appearance that this is more than NOTHING, Mr. Slick has to sneak in "God the Son", a pagan invention.
jhall38 11 months ago
Mr. Slick's Tricks, outline continued:
9. Without God being a trinity, this could not be possible.
10. If God's a trinity, one of the Persons becomes man. The other 2 are left to runt the universe.
11. If the whole person becomes man, how does He run the universe.
12. the second person took on human nature and became a man.
13. Without God being a trinity, we could not be saved.
Analysis of this follows. Mr. Tricky Slick is slippery, yet his argument is circular and unsound...
jhall38 11 months ago
Mr. Slick's Tricks, outlined:
1. We can not be saved if we don't believe in a trinity.
2. Sin is against God.
3. We can't be good enough to get right with God.
4. The only one who can make things right is God.
5. "God the Son" came down in the form of Jesus.
6. This is not possible if God is not a trinity.
7. This is not one person in 3 forms
8. The second person came down.
Tricks continued....
jhall38 11 months ago
John 8:24
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins." NIV
Jesus claimed to be God. That's who and what we MUST BELIEVE (Jn 8:58)
Nucc3 11 months ago
The bible DOES teach the TRUINE nature of God, but NO WHERE in the BIBLE does the TRINITY ever get taught, nor is the word even found in the bible. Oh, by the weay there is ONE God. I think its semantics and you have read too many anticult books!! Carm...you are an interesting fella!!
eric777100763 11 months ago
@ObjectiveBob
No! The bible only says we must believe he is the son of God. Not God himself.
Danthemanlyman7 1 year ago
A more important question is: "must we believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved?"
ObjectiveBob 1 year ago
yawn
benaberry 1 year ago
Please Start Reading This Thread Below where it starts at the beginning of the thread,
A TRIUNE GOD,
You'll see it, if you search for it!. . .It's a lot of infomation, but life takes patience and follow through. . .
aorice123 1 year ago
With All Your Heart AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU WILL FIND HIM IF YOU SEEK HIM WITH ALL YOUR HEART!!! And WHEN YOU ARE FOUND OF HIM, YOU WILL START LIVING THE LIFE HE DESTINED FOR YOU. . .LIFE AS IT SHOULD BE!!!
aorice123 1 year ago
Sorry, I posted the same content 4 times below, mistake, I am NOT perfect, but that wasn't a sin, right! Just a inconvenience, Continuing. . .if one desire to see The Righteous, they must be like HIM and those that obey HIM SHALL SEE HIM FACE TO FACE AS HE IS, Baruch Atah Yahshua!!! HIS ETERNAL LIFE IN YOU COMPELLS YOU TO LIVE A HOLY SACTIFIED LIFE, TO BE PLEASING TO HIM AND HE SHALL FELLOWSHIP WITH YOU AND WILL SHOW YOU THINGS TO COME, WHY? So, You Will Know Who HE IS, You Must seek HIM----->
aorice123 1 year ago
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Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! -->
aorice123 1 year ago
Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! -->
aorice123 1 year ago
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Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! ->
aorice123 1 year ago
Now, simply saying you believe is NOT enough, even demons belive that and tremble, THEY ARE NOT SAVED AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL "LIFE" WITH MESSIAH IN HEAVEN or fellwoship with HIM. You must live a Holy and Righteous Life, Is This possible, YES, YES and YES a Million Times YES!!! Men teach that you cannot live without sin, that would be calling Messiah a liar AND HE IS NOT, But Speaks The Truth In LOVE, mankind rejects this becuase their ways are evil and love the darkeness MORE THAN HOLINESS! -->
aorice123 1 year ago
Presnce in my LIFE, IN FACT, I Share with anyone that will listen, THAT MESSIAH IS THE LIFE AND RESURRECTION, He WHO Belives IN HIM Shall NOT Perish, But Have Ever Lasting Life. . .This requires living a life that is PURE AND HOLY, Messiah says, He Who Belives In ME AND (this is a conditional promise!) OBEYS MY WORD Has Life In Himeself And Shall Never Die! This IS Truth, NOT my opinion, perception or clever array of knowledge, THESE ARE HIS WORDS AND HIS WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LLIFE! -->
aorice123 1 year ago
And without notice MESSIAH entered into my soul AND EVERYTHING CHANGED IMMEDIATELY. . .Life has Never been the same! Have I had trials like others, YES! Would I change a thing now at 49yrs old NO, NO And NO, except one thing I would have chosen Messiah's appearing to me 21yrs earlier BUT at 39yrs old was a single Major event in OUR lives THAT CHANGED ME AGAIN AND I LEARNED WAS SIN REALLY WAS AND HOW I CAME TO ABHORE IT, IN ALL ITS DECEPTIVE PRATICES!
I have never been ashamed of HIS OF HIS-->
aorice123 1 year ago
Old. Messiah SAID TO ME, "You Are An Evangelist" I did NOT even know- What An Even Evangelist was!" But, When I learned "What An Evangelist was" I was already doing THE WORK of One! The gift was already working in me to do Good for others! At the time just previous of tha very day I was a notroious drug dealer in a little town in WV named, Spencer. A man simple put in his hand on me at a prayer meeting I was invited to by my guitar teacher, David Bush. I was pretending to pray like the others-->
aorice123 1 year ago
A TRIUNE GOD. Havard was a "Christian College at one time AND their Theology professor dug into the teaching of the trinity, AS THE CATHOLICS teach it. That's where it originated! He concluded after exshustive study that the the trinty was NOT to be found in scrpture, one HAS to read that into the scriptures by inference. MESSIAH APPEARED TO ME! THE FIRST THING HE TOLD ME "THE TRINITY AS MEN TEACH IT IS NOT TRUE" Although I was raised in catholicism, I was BAPTISED in the Ruach HaKodesh at 18yrs
aorice123 1 year ago
AMEN!!!!!!
BeautifulllColours 1 year ago
Trinity is straight from ancient babylonian paganism. Period.
TSMYF1 1 year ago
jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaj get a life!!!
sesocr 1 year ago
Do you all not see the flaw here? A god needed a human sacrifice of HIMSELF in order to save His creatures/children from His OWN judgment/punishment????? I know ya'all will scream freewill at me but this so-called FREEwill is NOT free!!! Either you BELIEVE this tyrant or, supposedly, you get punished for eternity. How can anyone continue worshipping this stuff?
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro First, the Son and Father are not the same person, so it wouldn't be sacrificing himself. Second, God needs to satisfy his justice and his love for humanity, both are fully achieved on the cross. Can a mere man, whom we do not sin against, take on the sins of the world? Seems highly unlikely. God must punish sins or he belittles himself, the sin problem, and even humanity. God loves his creation. How would you handle this dilemma if you were God?
Gentle135 1 year ago
@Gentle135 John 10:30 ...I and My Father are one.” John 13:2 If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately.
God NEEDS? God could've had his needs satisified by never creating evil in the first place! God belittled Himself by creating/allowing sin to exist for His own purposes...this is NOT love! As a God, I would not allow any "dilemma".
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro God didn't create evil. This is where the free will agents response comes in, which you've already alluded to not liking. God created the possibility of evil entering the world by creating free will agents. The fact that free will agents freely go bad does not reflect poorly on God but only on those free will agents.
Gentle135 1 year ago
@Gentle135 I thought God created everything? So man created evil? How can a merciful and loving God create even a possibility for evil??? Yes, for one to be free to choose...there needs to be more than ONE choice but God has left his free will agents alone in their own misery and this isn't mercy or love. He flooded the world once cuz He reckognized His mistake...?!? Plus, there are many who suffer...still.... who never choose sin....!?!
julzabro 1 year ago
Every single time you sin, you choose to sin. Yes, you did not choose to be born a sinner, I wrestled with this myself years ago. You didn't choose to even be born, but like it or not your here and a sinner so you have to deal with it. God has not left his free will agents alone at all! Thats part of the Gospel, we are not alone and we have one that can identify with us and bridge the gap between God and sinful man, Jesus.
Gentle135 1 year ago
@Gentle135 Even those who believe still sin and still have prayers that don't come true. Neither Jesus Himself nor belief IN Jesus take away the pain and suffering of innocent people here n now in THIS life and becuz of that it's easy 2 c that there can NOT be a loving, merciful god! There r so many cases where innocent people r plagued with tragedy and misery who by NO MEANS OF THEIR OWN have shitty lives! How can u worship a god that does nothing while innocent people suffer?
julzabro 1 year ago
Jesus did not offer to make your life happy and wonderful. The offer made on the cross is for what your eternal destiny is after you die. Being sinless and not suffering up to your death was not offered. As long as God has a morally sufficient reason for allowing suffering in the world suffering does not eliminate God from being loving. I can imagine all kinds of reasons for suffering. People tend to turn to God at their worst moments and God is in the business of saving people being one.
Gentle135 1 year ago
@Gentle135 I don't care about life after death. I care about all the people suffering HERE in THIS life, which ONE WOULD THINK would b a concern 4 a loving, merciful creator! And y give us THIS life that we're sposed to be so thankful 4 if all it is is a test? Even 4 those who r righteous already like Job? What, in ur opinion, IS a "morally sufficient reason" 4 suffering 2 b allowed by A GOD? Ur god is a narcissist. Love is not about making people suffer SO THAT they turn to u!
julzabro 1 year ago
50-60 years of life. Life after death, as many years as forever takes. Yeah, makes sense that this life should be more focused on. Lets see.. sent his Son to die for us to reconcile us to Him and give us the Holy Spirit to comfort us. Nah, doesn't care at all. But whats really interesting is that on your view there is ZERO comfort, in fact you have no value. People turn to God when they suffer because they don't when things are awesome, this is our fault not God's.
Gentle135 1 year ago
@Gentle135 Y did He NEED His SON (which WAS HIM) to die? Think about that a GOD NEEDED?!? He created SIN...He ALLOWED sin so that HE COULD BE THE SAVIOR! And what Holy Spirit?!? It only comforts those who r capable of being brainwashed and only temporarily WHILE they hallucinate....people still suffer and STILL live with fear. Knowing that there IS zero comfort is realistic, realism is NOT without value! People turn 2 god when they suffer cuz they were led 2 blieve He would actually help!
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro Seriously, if suffering does lead people to God and having an awesome cool fun life doesn't lead people to God, which life do you think God would want for you? Why would God want you to believe in him? Because your sin problem keeps you from Him and He is trying to solve that problem for you!
Gentle135 1 year ago
@Gentle135 God would want me to have the shitty life, of cours and THAT'S my point!!! If you love someone, you don't REQUIRE them to have a shitty life so that YOU are loved! That's SICK! And belieiving in God does NOT keep people from "sinning"! And I CAN'T believe in something I KNOW is not true...that's impossible! He created the problem...therefore, why trust HIM to solve it? If God didn't want us to be miserable...sinning in a fallen world, he wouldn't have CREATED it this way!!!!
julzabro 1 year ago
God created the possibility for humans to have a sin problem so they'd have genuine free will agency. It is up to the agents on whether they end up with a sin problem or not. Blaming God doesn't end the problem it makes it worse. I trust God to solve our sin problem because he DID. Your rejecting the solution and so it isn't solved for you. The solution isn't you no longer sin though you should sin less by default, the solution is it doesn't count against you.
Gentle135 1 year ago
@Gentle135 So God CREATED A PROBLEM....GOD CREATED SIN! Thank you for agreeing woth me! And, according to YOU, God did this all for FREE will? So IF something is free, it means there's no cost, right? So, what does ur Doctrine say the wages of sin are again??? So it's NOT free! No, blaming God doesn't end any problems since He doesn't exist but when people stop waitin 4 an imagined skydaddy, they may be more apt to solve problems themSELVES!
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro Take this rage to God. You will find that He will hear your complaint. Coming to God is HARD. You must pass through a dreadful gate through which you come to terms with your own mortality. There it is possible for you to turn to God with everything that you are, the evil and the good. The lie of the Serpent was that we would be as gods, knowing good from evil. The reality is that we are CONFUSED about this, enmeshed in it. God alone, the Wholly Other, SEES the difference.
jhall38 10 months ago
@jhall38 U have mistakened my "rage" as if I'm someone looking 4 god and u r quite mistaken. I DID look for god and even as an Atheist I keep my eyes open for ANY possibility that I am wrong. I already went thru the gate and found the man behind the curtain! The fact that we R confusedis a sign that no god exists. What god cannot be clear about who/what He is? Furthermore, if He sees His children fighting for thousands of years due to HIS LACK OF CLARITY, one would think He'd fix the problem!
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro It's cool you're open like that! Good Qs. But confusion is our fault isnt it? God is clear enough that He's present and asks for our faith and service to Him, but also mysterious - we cant know everything. Even Dawkins said if there is a Deity he's "a very complex character." God did "fix the problem." He's sent prophets for millennia, came down in Christ to reveal Himself Savior for all, in the last 2000yrs He's sent men like St. Francis, John Hus, Martin Luther, etc. But who listens?
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 And many people DO listen to goodness, yet they will still suffer. If HE sent Prophets then those Prophets should not fail and if HE MADE US then we should be able to listen and NOT be confused. A GOD does NOT make mistakes. How can we be condemned for WHAT WE ARE??? It's like painting a picture and then condemning it for not being a symphony!
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro Your premise isn't sound. God made us good, we chose evil. People too often don't choose the goodness of God. That's the problem: Prophets shouldn't fail to persuade people to believe God, because it makes sense; yet they refused to listen. And that's the solution: We don't need to be condemned. Jesus promised anyone who believes in Him is never condemned (John 3.18). We have a way out readily available to us; if we don't choose it, that's our own fault.
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 "People too often don't choose the goodness of God." Was God good to make a Tree that contained EVIL knowing we would eat it? Was God good when He made a serpent and allowed it to tempt? And how bout all those 1st born Egyptian babies (as 1 example).....did they even have the chance to choose anything? What was THEIR crime? Yeah, Pharaoh didn't CHOOSE correctly I s'pose either, yet we can CLEARLY SEE that God manipulated him. Right, we don't need 2 b condemned and NEVER did!
julzabro 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 "...if we don't choose it, that's our own fault." If we're at fault, in your opinion, by NOT choosing to worship an evil demiurge who is CLEARLY manipulative for His own gain, then I guess it is YOUR premise that requires some scrutiny!
julzabro 10 months ago
@julzabro Manipulative? God loves YOU. God became a baby who became a man to allow Himself to be brutally tortured and murdered for YOU. Maneuvering history so that He can SAVE YOU is bad? Does the fireman who tears open an already totaled car to save a dying person manipulative? If we trust in Christ we're forgiven of sins and given eternal fellowship with the God who loves us, the most satisfying of Beings. We don't understand everything God does, but He has given enough proof of His goodness.
theomathetes21 10 months ago
@theomathetes21 Why would a god not be able 2 find another way then to make Himself NEED 2 sacrifice Himself?? "Maneuvering history" is seriously candy coating it. He didn't maneuver, He planned to BECOME the hero by causing the calamity in the 1st place! No, cuz a fireman doesn't plan the fire AND doesn't have the power or foresight to KEEP the fire from happening! He hasn't given ME and many others enuff proof. Can u believe in fairies or leprachauns? In the same way I cannot believe in god!
julzabro 10 months ago
@Gentle135 So sin doesn't count against anymore? Or does that only work 4 u believers? Does that mean innocent people don't have fear or pain anymore cuz ur mighty god solved it? And how does blaming a god that's imaginary to prove a point 2 U make anything worse? SOLUTION? If ur solution was REAL, I may consider it but ur solution is as real as saying a unicorn is our savior. LOOK AROUND U! Yes, I reject kool-aid so there IS still a problem cuz I'm still awake and can SEE!!!
julzabro 1 year ago
I have 3 questions for you.
1. Do you believe what Jesus said in John 14:11?
2. Do you believe Jesus is the Father?
3. Do you believe GOD is all wise and gave us the bible to teach us?
markpaghi 1 year ago
this is quit smart!!!
tough the purpose of life also maybe to end which makes everyone perfect and therefor cleansing from their sin!!!
Da0YiN 1 year ago
Your explanations would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic. You muddy the understanding of who God is for those gullible enough to believe the poison you teach. I wonder if you really even understand what it is that you are saying as it makes no sense whatever. I can't really understand why you are even masquerading as someone who is knowledgeable in spiritual matters. Is it because you have an seriously inflated ego and want to be noticed, or is there a darker motive at work here.
lyricmaster007 1 year ago
Reminds me of a used car salesman and when he reads scripture its a disclaimer. Hate to tell the guy but Jesus is not Almighty God. He totally did not understand the cross. Jesus was the Lamb of God not the Lamb of me. Jesus did not die to appease the God he died to appease the LAW.
ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
@ProveYourFaith u deny the son..so u deny the father...
samsaccountyea 1 year ago
@samsaccountyea I don't deny Jesus I deny YOU!
ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
@ProveYourFaith wow great reply, but no really taking away the full deity of jesus christ is plain wrong and its clear that all you JWs are a bunch of brainwashed fruitloops who will deny the truth at any cost...even if that be an eternity in the "common grave??" (what about the moaning and gnashing of teeth? or did they take that out of the new world translation of the bible too)?
samsaccountyea 1 year ago
@samsaccountyea It is true you think if I don't believe as you I am denying Jesus. It is You who I am denying not Jesus. You continue to show your ignorance I am not a JW.
Jesus did not not die to appease God he died to appease the Law.
ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
@ProveYourFaith Right, Why would Jesus need to appease God anyways...HE IS GOD!
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro No he is not the Most High God. You are in a delusion.
ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
@ProveYourFaith Who is not the most high....Jesus?
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro Jesus is not the most high God.
ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
@ProveYourFaith So Jesus isn't God?
julzabro 1 year ago
@samsaccountyea No religious truth can be proven...therefore, ALL r brainwashed.
julzabro 1 year ago
Doesn't Omnipresent mean the Lord can be in more than one place?
sanderasamp 1 year ago
@sanderasamp Yes this means it was foolish for anyone to go to God in scripture. It was also foolish for Moses to beg God not to depart from them. THe whole belief is foolish really.
ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
4 those of u who think Matt is not an expert. Hes probly bean studing 4 a verry long time and I have watched many of his vids and hes wright in every 1. I have bean going 2 church my hole life. And 4 u atheists. Evulution is a theory made in China not literaly but that about how cheap it is gaps and far fetched. I think u need a new theiry.
44SCB 1 year ago
you can be save went out the trinity isa 7:14 matt 1:23 emmanuel is god save all man.
larryg2764 1 year ago
The Book of Numbers. 21:6 It speaks about the creation of a bronze snake (the Nehustan) attributed to Moses
And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a poisonous serpent, and set it on a pole; and everyone who is bitten shall look at it and live." So Moses made a serpent of bronze, and put it upon a pole; and whenever a serpent bit someone, that person would look at the serpent of bronze and live.
dimdoola 1 year ago
This makes no sense.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
There's some merit to your explanation.
RoundRockMinistry 1 year ago
How to Prove that JESUS CHRIST is GOD.
Luke Chapter 5 Verse 8; When Simon Peter Saw [it], he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O LORD.
We now understand that Jesus is LORD.
Revelation Chapter 16 Verse 7; And I heard another out of the alter say, Even so, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.
This helps us Understand that Jesus = Lord, Lord = GOD ALMIGHTY, Jesus = GOD ALMIGHTY. :)
This is from the King James Bible, the original.
Reavoltion 1 year ago
Matt Slick likes to act like an expert of his shit. But thats the same as being an expert on Alladin. Both are fiction, except somehow people believe this garbage.
FightOpression 1 year ago
The Trinity does not determine our salvation but only the faith in JesusChrist... and just because God came down as a man does not mean there needs to be a trinity in order that heaven and the universe would not be alone... gosh these people cant understand the concept of OMNIPRESENT... no need of a trinity to be more than one place at the same time without being the same unipersonal God...
MrGabrielAyala 1 year ago
Wow, this video shows great lack of understanding of who God and Jesus Christ are.
doompod 2 years ago 2
YES. you got it almost right.
The fact is is jesus was god there is no trinity jesus was the son of god and he bore the sins of man but just becuse jesus is called the son of god does not mean he is the 2nd person of the trinity it was the flesh of jesus that bore the sins of man not the spirt the spirit was god. in the flesh "jesus"
cmckey7127 2 years ago
I loved your explanation as to why we deserve eternal punishment because of who it is that our action is against.
jillbert40 2 years ago
The word 'trinity' is another failed attempt to describe the One true and living eternal God.
The word 'trinity' does not explain the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
The word 'trinity' has absolutely nothing to do with the cleansing power of the blood of Jesus Christ which is on the mercy seat in the temple of God in heaven.
God is indeed Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God is elohim, which is plural.
But, the term 'trinity' is extra-biblical, and found nowhere in all of Scripture.
esgatch 2 years ago
I think the real name of this video should be "if we are this fucking stupid, should we be making videos and voicing our opinions?"
FightOpression 2 years ago
@FightOpression Are you christian? just curious
cmckey7127 2 years ago
no sir i am far from any religious belief.
FightOpression 2 years ago
FightOpression : Exactly man. Never saw such a dumb question on youtube ever.
lizazoon 1 year ago
It's beyond me how people can understand the illogical concept of the trinity & call themselves christians.
cademars39 2 years ago
"If God isn't a Trinity, can we be saved?"
No! Because if God weren't a Trinity, He would be hogtied and impotent!
He would be incapable of dealing with His own Creation.
He needs all the help He can get.
What a rediculous question!
Sockpuppet2012 2 years ago
This is pitiful.
StringPlunker 2 years ago 2
@stringplunker: don't be so hard on him, man has to live somehow. He most likely does not have any other skills or he's too lazy to seek REAL WORK.
auriciangelescu 2 years ago
@StringPlunker u r pitifull there r one god but 3 different persons. the father and son and holyghost
71german 1 year ago
This isn't a very good question. If God's attributes are truly omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence, then His ability to save has nothing to do with whether or not God is a "trinity".
Now that I think more about it this is actually a really, REALLY bad question.
NotYourTypicalNegro 2 years ago
CARM= Christians Are Religious Morons
ItsKnucklez 2 years ago
And no, Jesus is not the Genuine God.
Anyone reading these comments can go to my channel and watch my video 'Why Jesus is not the Genuine God' and see for themselves.
Take care.
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Amen! Jesus is not God. This video really condemns those who believe in the son of God. First of all, the Word of God states that whosoever believes in the son of God has eternal life. I have no idea where they are getting 'God the Son. I hope it's just dyslexia.
doompod 2 years ago
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Wow, Matt Slick, you're still denying the gospel that "God so loved the world that he sent his Son so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life." It was pleasing for God that his Son should die for mankind, and here you say that it was not good enough. And then you will go on and say that the "human" died not that "deity" died contradicting your babble in this video.
By the way, I still remember the day when Neil (aka Eesh Gibbor) spanked you on the doctrine of the trinity.
Yuratchka 2 years ago
We see in Revelation ONE on the throne and one who was slain beside the throne. GOD and the Lamb ... TWO very different persons. ONE is the creator and one is the slain Lamb who takes the seals out of the right hand of the ONE on the throne. SEE Rev. 4-5 (read carefully).
Who does the Bible teach that Jesus Christ is? The Son of God
Matt. 16:16, I John 4:15 (for starters)
Jesus is certainly not the ONE GOD. He is the Son of the ONE GOD.
The trinity is the dogma of Rome.
loveroflife365 2 years ago
Amen!!!!
I just don't get it. Jesus even asked Peter who he thought he was and Peter replied saying you are Christ the son of God (Matthew 16:15-17).
I think it's dyslexia, they're getting the term 'the son of God' mixed up with 'God the son'.
I'm glad to see there are people who don't accept the pagan trinity doctrine.
doompod 2 years ago
Well said.
The problem is they 'needed' the invention of the trinity to support the 'eternal soul' idea. They needed the 'eternal soul' to support the threat of eternal torment of the soul in a firey hell. These ideas (including trinity) came from pagan religions of the time and were taken on because of pagans joining the church.
It's not a surprise that this idea was not heard of until 150 years after the death of Christ and not supported for a few hundred years after the last Apostle died...
TaSwavo 2 years ago
Actually, Matt, there is NO WAY that GOD could be His own sacrifice. He requires BLOOD for the remission of sin, Heb. 9:22.
GOD is spirit. No man has ever seen or heard Him, I Tim. 6:16, John 5:37, John 1:18, I John 4:12, because He is light, I John 1:5 and dwells in unapproachable light, I Tim. 6:16.
Jesus Christ was the messenger of the covenant, Malachi 3:1 (Angel of the LORD) prior to his leaving this place of glory and being born as MORTAL flesh and blood so that he COULD die.
loveroflife365 2 years ago
Why all all of the BEST comments getting thumbs down?! lol
These are some of the most intelligent, scripture supported comments I have seen, and people give them thumbs down because they go against mainstream Christianity?
That first part of your comment you made was BAMM!!
God CANNOT be His own sacrifice. It even says in scripture, that Jesus cried out to God asking why has he forsaken him! First of all, that proves Jesus isn't 'all-knowing', as God is, and second, God can't turn on Himself.
doompod 2 years ago
For the sake of question Matt...how does this provide evidence for the Holy Spirit being necessary for salvation? Based on the video you only provided evidence for two persons being necessary for salvation. Good video though.
phearow 2 years ago
Great vid.
Oallos1 2 years ago
amen
KeithTruth 2 years ago
1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Does this sound like someone you heard of?
Father. Son, and Holy Spirit. Three but One. If that's not a mystery to the natrual mind I don't know what is.
bluestormsnow 2 years ago
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JTTNMinistries 2 years ago
Great video Mark!
As Shai Linne would say:
Glory to the Father, Glory to the Son,
Glory to The Spirit- Three and Yet One
One in Your essence, Three in Your Person
The same in Your nature, distinct in Your working
Oh my soul- behold the wonder of the Trinity
Blessed be the Trinity, Oh, what a mystery!
Ill stand amazed for the rest of my days
Pouring out my heart in Triune praise
nlspears02 2 years ago
You just admitted, repeatedly, that "God" is NOT the one true god AND that xtianity is NOT a monotheistic religion.Nice.
bbloodchild 2 years ago
god is make believe, don't agree? then prove it. with scientific evidence. because almost everything in your lives, the scientific process has had a part in, why not let it have a part in the biggest question of all, our origins. the majority of the bible can be disproven very easily by the scientific process. haha and I'm just an airplane mechanic, an actual scientist would blow any idea you have about religion out of the water. Evolution is a proven fact, you dont believe in it, you accept it.
banditomexican03 2 years ago
H2O is a formula that makes water in various forms 100% of the time. That formula must exist before the elements are introduced. A pre-existing formula demonstratively demonstrates intelligence. Unless of course chemical formulas and mathematical equations came from NOTHING.
edw2776 2 years ago
Fantastic Matt--thank you.
4sureJT 2 years ago
Very intriguing and well said! Fascinating!
NomosCharis 2 years ago
Well said, Matt. Well said. I had fun hanging out with you guys last week. I sincerely hope we get to do that again.
vekl 2 years ago
One Lord, one baptism, one God and Father of all (Ephesians 4:5,6),
lovecarlaa18 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
A) God didn't die on the cross because God cannot die:
For thus says the high and exalted One
WHO LIVES FOREVER, whose name is Holy,
"I dwell on a high and holy place,
And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit
In order to revive the spirit of the lowly
And to revive the heart of the contrite. - Isaiah 57:15
B) It says he lives forever so he couldn't die for 3 days.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
His divine nature doesn't expire.
DonusAmbrose 2 years ago
Q: So only the human nature died on the cross?
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
Jesus is God in the Flesh. 100% Man and 100% God. Man dies. Jesus is the Lamb of God.
FccB24 2 years ago
"100% Man and 100% God. Man dies."
Than it wasn't an infinite sacrifice now was it? Jesus human flesh and blood wasn't infinite so the whole argument is destroys itself.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
He rose from the dead! :)
FccB24 2 years ago
"He rose from the dead! :)"
Agreed, he died and rose from the dead: something God cannot do because God is immortal.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
If He rose that means the Spirit didn't die but the Flesh did... God appears in the OT many time as a Man e.g. Genesis 18.
FccB24 2 years ago
A) Ok, so only the flesh died according to you.
B) The flesh isn't eternal therefore it wasn't an eternal sacrifice.
C) Your entire argument collapses under itself.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
You are saying AS IF there is a "God Jesus" and a separate "Human Jesus"
That is not the case
John 10 : "The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father"
He is the "Author of Life"
Life is to do as he wishes
carlcowcoeus 2 years ago
"Life is to do as he wishes"
A) When God says he lives forever he isn't lying to anyone.
B) He cannot die which means that one who dies isn't God.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
If God isn't a trinity, how are we made in His image? Why does He say "Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness"? How is it that no man has seen the Father, yet people in the OT (Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Job, Isaiah) have seen Him?
A trinity makes sense when you consider that the body, soul, and spirit are 3 different entities that make up one being as would the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit be one God.
seinfan9 2 years ago 2
"how are we made in His image?"
A) I don't understand your question.
B) God isn't a Trinity and neither are you.
"Let US create man in OUR image..."
C) Most Trinitarian apologists have given up on this ridiculous argument:
Us . . . Our . . . Our. God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court. - NIV Study Bible
"no man has seen the Father"
D) No one has seen God period.
"3 different entities"
E) That isn't the Trinity doctrine.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
A) You just refuse to answer the question
B) He is, as revealed through scripture. Reread how God created the world. The first few verses of Genesis show His Triune nature. Again we have a body, soul, and spirit (Genesis 2:7) Paul attests to this as well.
C) NIV is trash, seems to be on par with the NWT.
D) Read the bible.
E) The Father isn't the Son nor the Holy Spirit. The Son isn't the Father nor the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't the Father nor the Son.
seinfan9 2 years ago
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
A) I'll ask the question again: how are we made in His image?
B) Adam saw God walking in the garden, spoke with Him, and God had slain animals to cover his and Eve's naked bodies. Moses wrote the first 5 books, and seemed to understand that. Isaiah claims that God is "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY".
C) You can use any study guide or footnotes to justify a belief.
D) Yeah, you should try it sometime.
E) That they are separate in sentience.
F) I understand that and apologize for saying "entities".
seinfan9 2 years ago
A) Personally, I think it refers to our cognitive abilities rather than physical appearance.
B) Really? Seriously? You think Moses was a Trinitarian?
C) Sorry that most educated Trinitarians disagree with you here.
D) That's great.
E) Ok.
F) That was my point.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
Let me emphasize C) You used NIV footnotes to justify that God isn't Triune, so I was calling you out on your logic.
seinfan9 2 years ago