I do agree with you that we learn through concepts; however our memory works through the senses (as you know: auditory, visual, etc..). The more senses and imagination you use to remember things, the better you will remember them. If the student wishes to improve his memory, then he needs to do that one his own, we shouldn't expend a lot of money based on bad theory and these facilitators. All humans can learn both visually and auditorily (assuming you have these faculties of course).
yeah, 'concept', but the method that concepts enter us-and the ability for people to understand it, varies widely.... I wouldn't chalk it up to "not paying attention" because from my own experience, i enjoy audio books more then real books... i think there is a hierarchy of easier/harder... the spoken word hits deeper than the written, and sometimes, vice versa..its whatever is most striking to you, thats what sticks
I agree with your setting it straight. In my professional opinion, the problem we are having with students not being able to learn with reading and writing...is a direct link to the lack of frontal lobe stimulation that has been conditioned by the fast paced television and video culture. Its time parents stop using the blue flicker as a nanny.
your wrong not everbody learns the same way. some people need to go through the steps others jump straight to the answers is but one example i know when i am trying to teach someone something i have to use different methods on different people inorder for them to understand and some people are blinded so much by what they think they know that even to suggest the truth is taken as an insult to their character
I don't know why you have such hostility to these theories about information absorption. What's the conflict with conceptual thinking and auditory learning? Isn't the student trying to integrate the information together into a concept? Haven't you ever had a moment in school or on your own where the information or theory you were studying suddenly "clicked"? I have, and I firmly believe that I absorp and integrate material best via auditory methods.
Kudos on the comment that learning is all about motivation. I majored in linguistics, and the biggest canard that non-linguists have is that "you have to go to the country to learn the language." Hogwash. Going to the country just skyrockets your motivation to learn. If you're already motivated, you don't have to go anywhere.
Oh, and off topic, another linguistic canard is that you can't learn to speak another language with a proper accent unless you do it as a child. Hogwash again--you see actors putting on accents all the time, and normal people use accents to make jokes. It's just a matter of effort.
You admit as much that motivation is a factor, so if there are different learning methods that are more motivating to some than to others, why not try to identify them and work with them?
But the whole point of my speech was that there ARE NOT different learning methods. EVERYONE learns conceptually, EVERYONE. The division between visual, written, etc. is just a fad (albeit 20 years going)...
Fair enough. I agree with you. But what do we do with someone who just isn't motivated? Do we shrug our shoulders and move on to the next child, or do we try new things in the hope that something might stick? Or do we just continue to hammer concepts at the kid indefinitely?
I don't know, maybe you didn't mean it when you said some people just aren't motivated. I would think that learning conceptually, if taught correctly, would be intrinsically motivating.
Yes, conceptual learning is intrinsicly motivating, but there are dry spots and technical info that can bore the kid. Keeping him interested is exactly what the art of teaching is. So, no, don't shrug and give up on an unmotivated kid - bring him to Cropper Lyceum!!!
I also have to wonder how this ties in with the research on sexuality hat they have been performing with MRI's and such. Its often been said that men are aroused visually and women via auditry stimulus. Does this have a fundamental connection to the inherent way in which males versus females learn?
When I was in school, I had a very difficult time absorbing verbal information. In one ear and out the other.
In contrast, I can breeze through books like a tazmanian devil. I believe I absorb the information with great efficiency. Perhaps all that proves is I find it difficult to concentrate on auditory material, and maybe its not an inherent function of the individuals brain. Why would I be motivated to read but not listen if I enjoy learning.
But your video wasn't a complex piece of abstract material at all. Watching a video of a man making a bold claim is not education.
Why can someone not learn conceptually through courses with diagrams and pictures or by being taught with a "hands-on" approach? Could you build a car without drawing blueprints? Could you read a book from front to back and then have perfect understanding of physics?
I found this interesting. I don't disagree with the conceptual idea, but I do question whether we know enough about the human brain to make such determinations that all humans learn exactly the same with zero deviation between humans.
Some people are more sensitive to different methods. Many people can't comprehend the material in books...as in hey have no sense of reading comprehension....but that's do to other problems in education.
I do agree with you that we learn through concepts; however our memory works through the senses (as you know: auditory, visual, etc..). The more senses and imagination you use to remember things, the better you will remember them. If the student wishes to improve his memory, then he needs to do that one his own, we shouldn't expend a lot of money based on bad theory and these facilitators. All humans can learn both visually and auditorily (assuming you have these faculties of course).
nosavage25 3 years ago
But concepts are material, they are some structures. Structures have shapes. Shapes can be imagined visually.
inyuki 4 years ago
yeah, 'concept', but the method that concepts enter us-and the ability for people to understand it, varies widely.... I wouldn't chalk it up to "not paying attention" because from my own experience, i enjoy audio books more then real books... i think there is a hierarchy of easier/harder... the spoken word hits deeper than the written, and sometimes, vice versa..its whatever is most striking to you, thats what sticks
beyond87 4 years ago
I agree with your setting it straight. In my professional opinion, the problem we are having with students not being able to learn with reading and writing...is a direct link to the lack of frontal lobe stimulation that has been conditioned by the fast paced television and video culture. Its time parents stop using the blue flicker as a nanny.
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Freedom2Learn 4 years ago
your wrong not everbody learns the same way. some people need to go through the steps others jump straight to the answers is but one example i know when i am trying to teach someone something i have to use different methods on different people inorder for them to understand and some people are blinded so much by what they think they know that even to suggest the truth is taken as an insult to their character
brennonpr 4 years ago
I don't know why you have such hostility to these theories about information absorption. What's the conflict with conceptual thinking and auditory learning? Isn't the student trying to integrate the information together into a concept? Haven't you ever had a moment in school or on your own where the information or theory you were studying suddenly "clicked"? I have, and I firmly believe that I absorp and integrate material best via auditory methods.
kompiled 4 years ago
Kudos on the comment that learning is all about motivation. I majored in linguistics, and the biggest canard that non-linguists have is that "you have to go to the country to learn the language." Hogwash. Going to the country just skyrockets your motivation to learn. If you're already motivated, you don't have to go anywhere.
nine9s 4 years ago
Oh, and off topic, another linguistic canard is that you can't learn to speak another language with a proper accent unless you do it as a child. Hogwash again--you see actors putting on accents all the time, and normal people use accents to make jokes. It's just a matter of effort.
nine9s 4 years ago
You admit as much that motivation is a factor, so if there are different learning methods that are more motivating to some than to others, why not try to identify them and work with them?
Joshbuckler 4 years ago
But the whole point of my speech was that there ARE NOT different learning methods. EVERYONE learns conceptually, EVERYONE. The division between visual, written, etc. is just a fad (albeit 20 years going)...
cropperb 4 years ago
Fair enough. I agree with you. But what do we do with someone who just isn't motivated? Do we shrug our shoulders and move on to the next child, or do we try new things in the hope that something might stick? Or do we just continue to hammer concepts at the kid indefinitely?
I don't know, maybe you didn't mean it when you said some people just aren't motivated. I would think that learning conceptually, if taught correctly, would be intrinsically motivating.
Joshbuckler 4 years ago
Yes, conceptual learning is intrinsicly motivating, but there are dry spots and technical info that can bore the kid. Keeping him interested is exactly what the art of teaching is. So, no, don't shrug and give up on an unmotivated kid - bring him to Cropper Lyceum!!!
DebateTeam 4 years ago
I also have to wonder how this ties in with the research on sexuality hat they have been performing with MRI's and such. Its often been said that men are aroused visually and women via auditry stimulus. Does this have a fundamental connection to the inherent way in which males versus females learn?
AlexAnCapAdvocate 4 years ago
When I was in school, I had a very difficult time absorbing verbal information. In one ear and out the other.
In contrast, I can breeze through books like a tazmanian devil. I believe I absorb the information with great efficiency. Perhaps all that proves is I find it difficult to concentrate on auditory material, and maybe its not an inherent function of the individuals brain. Why would I be motivated to read but not listen if I enjoy learning.
AlexAnCapAdvocate 4 years ago
Maybe a good, interesting, well written speech could keep your attention. I'll bet dollars to donuts you can pay attention to a good speaker...
Wait, you listened to this speech, so its obvious you can learn from audio.
cropperb 4 years ago
But your video wasn't a complex piece of abstract material at all. Watching a video of a man making a bold claim is not education.
Why can someone not learn conceptually through courses with diagrams and pictures or by being taught with a "hands-on" approach? Could you build a car without drawing blueprints? Could you read a book from front to back and then have perfect understanding of physics?
kompiled 4 years ago
I found this interesting. I don't disagree with the conceptual idea, but I do question whether we know enough about the human brain to make such determinations that all humans learn exactly the same with zero deviation between humans.
AlexAnCapAdvocate 4 years ago
Some people are more sensitive to different methods. Many people can't comprehend the material in books...as in hey have no sense of reading comprehension....but that's do to other problems in education.
sonata1992 4 years ago