its videos like this one that will never let us forget what an ignorant, puck hogging, showboating asshole Bure was. I bet if they wouldve let him grow up a bit before putting him in the nhl, he might still be playing today.
@c4nea thats the kind of player they needed, an Ovechkin like player, hes way better than Ovechkin but they needed an explosive shot first type player
The NHL has seen some seriously exciting players going back many years. But I've never seen a player AS exciting as Pavel Bure was. Especially in Vancouver, we were blessed to be hockey fans, and get to watch this on a daily basis.
@totallytempo what was so special about #1? I don't know much about Bure just watching his top 10 and the other goals seemed more skillful. #1 just seems like he got a good pass and flicked it in around the goalie
Overtime game winner on game 5 of van-calgary series in 1994, after 'the save of all time' by Kirk Mclean. Canucks won the series then went all the way to game 7 of the stanley cup finals.
@shakebooty Yup, your're right. So basically the guy scored series winning hattrick goal in triple overtime that enabled his team to go all the way to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Best goal.....ever!
Bure is just the fuckin best man. My favorite hockey player of all time. In all the nhl games since his retirement i have recreated him and in 09 and 10 i use him in be a pro. soooooo siiiick! bure for life
No Ovi or sid the fib would ever come close to how exciting bure was. crosby just gets pts on pp, and ovi gets his points, but obviously, when he never passes or shoots. COME BACK PAVEL.
come on, these announcers don't have any excitement in their voices when these goals are scored. these goals are beauties, you can be at least a little excited
Who's 99?? give your head a shake! His majesty was so great that nobody can wear his number in the league. It was retired throughout the NHL. Nobody has that!
Dude....Bure was hot! We loved him, and we sqeezed almost all the good years out of him here in Vancouver. But, Bure is a mirror image of Ovechkin today, and Crosby is on par with a Sakic or Yzerman when they were hot. None of these guys are Gretzky or even a Lemieux. They have speed and physical skill, but they don't have the mental apsect of control/domination as did 99 or 66. The people who never saw these guys play just won't understand what I'm talking about.
Have you ever thought about how shit the goalies actually were back in the days?, The standing shit style, but yes, of course Gretzky were outstanding, but don't ever forget Jari Kurri, he completed the setup and without the setup, Gretzky would have been an average player, maybe a star, but certainly not a superstar, well maybe, but CERTAINLY _NOT_ the best player ever, the goalies were shit back in the days with their standing style, that's just true.
buddy, this is going to sound really rude but you are 20 years old and high-lites on YT don't really show how Gretzky controlled a game. The finishing of a goal on a highlite on YT does not show the mastery of his skills and the intelligence of Greztky. I have seen Pavel and Gretzky both play. Gretzky invented new styles of attack that are made standard today. Pavel, as cool as he was, wasn't as dynamic as he relied purley on physical skills as seen by his lack of longevity.
Greztky doninated with many forwards (not just Kuri) as seen with his tenure in LA. You make a point re. goalies lack of skills in the 80s and 90s (?). There were excellent goalies and crap ones just like now. Also, the D had MANY more freedoms vs. now. To penetrate a defence was much tougher back then b\c of the slashing and roughing that was not called by refs back then, and would be called now.
(cont)""Gretzky would have been an average player, maybe a star, but certainly not a superstar, well maybe""..he has been acknowledged by THREE different generations of players and sports media as the best player in history. He was voted by the US magizine Sports Illustrated as the best athlete of the decade: ie he beat out Americans like Joe Namath, and Michael Jordan. So give your head a shake b/c as rude as it sounds -you don't have a clue. Gretz was far more than a flashy high-lite goal.
"Gretzky was good"....that is the largest understatement I've heard this week. Orr is considered #2 & perhaps 3 BEHIND #99 by me (who has watched and met both), a host of players that played against both, as well as media men, and prominant hockey coaches/GMs. Also, G's NHL, Junior, and international records compilation is matched by NONE. These notions are documented fact, not fluffy opinion. Perhaps Cherry's biased opinion would agree with yours, but Sather's would equally counter that bias.
Orr rocks! It is something that he came 2nd to the greatest player in history. But, it is not just me who says that #99 is the best, It's not me that says he has over 60 titles to Orr's 1, it's not me who rates many of #99's records that may never be over taken, or Orr's records that most have been over taken. These items were reviewed by credible hockey men: GM's, coaches, past great players, and long term TV men to rate the greatest player. It is men in the NHL business, & not couch coaches.
like i said. mr hockey himself and the golden jet said he is the greatest they have ever seen.
that includes gretzky. sorry ill take their word over yours and the word of some gms. lets see another coach , don cherry, said hes the greatest. look what he did with bad knees. and yes two of his records over taken. one by paul coffey and one by gretzky. thats it.
still has the most norris trophies.
gretzky was great but orr was god. and howe was hockey.
me too.. Gretzky was an awesome offensive player, but Orr had it all. He played like a 3rd defenseman and 4th forward all the time. If he could've played his whole career 14-16 seasons, he would be in the top 4 in all time points in the league. Phenomenal player.
couch coach is me, all the others that do not make hockey their business- probably you too as per your profile. But, that is why I noted it is not me that illuminated the FACTs of Gretzky's monumental achievments to make him the true GREAT ONE. Longevity is part of the game and part of the equation of greatness. Who knows if #4 were not injured what he would achieve, same could be said for Bossy, or maybe Bure. 'Coulda shoulda woulda' history doesn't even count in horse shoes.
(cont)...thank goodness 'the Hockey News' asked more than two people (Howe and Hull) to make the poll creadable. Odd, I heard on the CBC Howe mention #99 as the greatest. They interviewed with him while Gretz was on LA and overtook Howe in scoring. Perhaps he changed his mind.....he is pretty elderly.
howe actually said that orr was the greatest after 93' buddy. alot of people would agree. so longevity is apart of the game eh?/ that would make howe the greatest player ever then buddy.
his achievements to me are great yes BUT he did that when the league in the early 80's had very little talent in their prime. and a hof team aroundh im.
don't take what I say out of context: "so longevity is apart of the game eh?/ that would make howe the greatest player ever then buddy." Howe is considered one of the greats b/c of longevity. It is one important factor of many. It is not the deciding factor. Also, #99 won the Conn Smyth twice (85/87). Gretz was the captain (1983-1988) and obviously lead the team to 4 cups (x2 of Orr's). He also lead LA to the finals. 1st yr in LA he was 2nd in scoring in the NHL. How did Orr do post Boston?
haha consdiering orr played on two bum knees after boston he retired after trying to comeback with chicago. still prvoes nothing. he was the best and most complete player ever. he could do everything at top speed, he could also check and fight. didnt have the enforcer that gretzky did stickin up for him. he wasnt a puss.
the puss argument is weak, and complete player is not what was rated- all time greatest was.Like I said before, injuries are part of the longevity and logevity is part of the greatness factor. Example, I read many polls to show Horton was a better 'all-round ' Dman (ie complete) vs. Orr. Maybe Orr should have had an enforcer? Bossy had Gillies,Bure had Odjick Crosby had Laroque...so who cares? Nobody says they were pussies and deminishes their records of greatness. 60 records to 1 proves all
I am glad I'm so amusing. Like I say Orr rocks. He is a close number 2 (some say #3). That makes him awesome. But he is not the Great One. That is a title for #99 only. The numbers don't lie 60-1. cheers!
LMAO the numbers do lie buddy. gretzky is number 2. guy lafluer howe hull and many others would agree guys who played against both. give your head a shake. stats dont tell the story. if gretzky could do it all then yea id say he was better.
Ok buddy YOU'RE RIGHT. All the experts ie: TV people that watched both for years whose job it is to observe,analyse, and report on players, all the prominent past hockey players from different eras, all the GMs/coaches. All these people that were polled, and the stats complied for almost 100 years ARE ALL WRONG.....please when both are long dead the numbers, and these expert testimonials are all that will be left. The 2-bits from emotional Boston fans living in the past will not be remembered.
(cont) 60-1 is tough to fudge. Perhaps it's all a big conspiracy of evil Gretzky fans and pragmatic people who read polls, listen to a range of experts, and open to stats to disgrace #4 ?? Give me a break. Here is a question, have you even seen Orr or Gretzky play? Profiles are decieving but 21years old suggests that maybe your dad is a Gretzky hater and grew watching Orr. I have seen both. I actually met both.
(cont-2) Judges involved in poll include writers, journalists, and broadcasters (Don Cherry, John Davidson, Milt Dunnell, Stan Fischler, Dick Irvin, Brian McFarlane, Bob McKenzie, Jim Matheson, Harry Neale, Frank Orr), also coaches, referees, general managers, and former players (Al Arbour, Scotty Bowman, Emile Francis, Howie Meeker, Scotty Morrison, Roger Neilson, Bud Poile, Sam Pollock, Marcel Pronovost, Billy Reay, Glen Sather, Harry Sinden, Red Storey). BUT HEY, I GUESS YOU KNOW BETTER
Seeing him when you were 11 yrs old when he played for the Rangers is far from seeing him during the Edmonton dynasty or while in LA. It is impossible to judge especially when you are relying on YT clips of Orr and your Dad's(?) testimonial. However, even in G's last year his point totals would put him tops on the 2009 Rangers regular season. He finished in the 98/99 season with 62 points- Antropov has 58.
It's Ok my Dad thinks Howe and Horton were better than G and Orr. Dad's are like that.
also you keep implying im going off my dads views. hahah again you know nothing. he thinks bossy is the best offensive player and potvin the best dmen ever.
Your Dad's opinions are pretty good. Bossy was deadly and Potvin was stellar>
But...using the words 'fact' when you've never seen Orr play is a little lofty. You must base your '""facts"" on word of mouth and/or NHL stats... items that you mentioned earlier are not creadible and "lie" ...seems a little hypocritical to me. A combo of stats, and testimonials from hockey experts that watched #99 and #4 seem to have a lot more weight in dertermining reasonable fact to me ...and many others
"""gretzky and i doubt you ever saw him play""" Wrong...and yes I saw Orr play too. But for a punk that doesn't care about expert testimony from many hockey men, or "'who dosen't give a shit what records say'" ie. from stats that have been accumalated for almost a 100yrs; my seeing Gretz and Orr would mean little to you!
You've just made another case for fading Orr fans that place him #1 based upon emotion rather than objective performance. Go on living in your edited YT world.
you talk about the youtube world yet you are on here and act like a know it all judging from your little channel. if you have seen orr play then you wouldnt be saying gretzky is better.
obvioulsy i struck a nerve with the "punk" comment.
i suggest you grow up.
and yes records mean nothing. orr played in a tougher time of hockey with better talent and a lesser team then gretzky did.
what happened when he left the oilers? never won another cup. didnt have a HOF team like he did with edmonton.
Orr played in expansion time too so the dilution argument is garbage.The Seals and the Caps were some of the worst teams in history that people feasted on in the 70s. Also, Euros came over to add talent in the 80s.Last I heard there is no subjective era factor for stats. If that's your argument than Richard and Howe were far better than Orr & G. Gretz took LA to cup when he left and was top 2 scoring when he left. Orr was washed up when he left Bos.
haha orr had bad knees buddy so what he did in 10 years missing games here and there is even more amazing and the fact he did it while sticking up for himself was even more amazing.
and im sorry it hurt your feelings? hahah go slam down another one then buddy.
i would considered richard the best wing ever number one with howe. he only played 50 games and scored 50 goals. thats insane.
i think howe richard and orr are far better then gretzky.
Gretzky had four 200+ point seasons, in 5 years of time :) And the only season that was under 200 was 196. So both had the NHL on their knees when they played :) I know Bossy would've probably been the all time greatest goalscorer, considering his scoring rate. Too bad that he had to retire so early. I like both players :)
Read up.. I said "Gretzky had four 200+ point seasons, in 5 years of time" so that's four 200+ point seasons in a time of 5 seasons. I do agree on that final list you made :) Although you missed one. "Most talented player in history, Mario Lemieux" :)
I would not say Lemieux is the most talented because there are far more talented that never amounted to anything special because of the most important part of a player. their head.
in 81'-82' Bossy was the fastest player to reach 300 goals in the amount of games played, as well as the fastest player to reach 500 goals in the amount of games played in 85'-86', to only have both goal marks to be surpassed and scored faster by Wayne Gretzky's 300 goals in 83'-84' and 500 goals in 86'-87'.
coffey messier kuri fuhr. all hlped gretzky with scoring goals padding his assits total. along with helping create open space so he could score that much
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like i said look what happened when he went to LA he couldnt produce as good.
he also DIDNT win the cup. he was close but no cigar.
true, yes , no question..... but neither did Orr, neither did Laflure, niether did any that come to mind except Messier. However, none would not put Mes above Orr, G, above even Lemieux or Howe b/c he won a cup in 2 different cities as captain.
Great player, a hall of famer, but none with ANY hockey smarts would put him ahead of Gretzky as 'The All Time Greatest Player' when measuring accomplishments. There are many great players to choose ahead of him. The Hockey NEWS places Mes at 12th and Gretz as 1 for good reason. NOBODY had the desire to win more than Gretzky- NOBODY! This is one of the attributes that made him the best . Messier would agree with this. G's mental drive is what compensated for his lack of physical power.
Well fine, seems like a waste of time doesn't it? Your true love ""HARD-ON"" for Orr blinds you> I'll let you go so you can continue ""deep throating"" your fantasy boy.
actually i have no love for orr haha. my favourite player isnt him. simply stating he was better then gretzky even on one knee. he did it all something gretzky didnt. like i said stats really dont mean shit.
@woodss3 I would agree with you somewhat. That you can't effectively judge a player unless you've seen them play at least in their prime. I'm too young to have been alive when Bobby Orr was playing, but just from his clips on youtube, I can still tell that he was one of the best players of all time.
this is not his real top 10, he had better goals, its a crime that he wasnt voted in the hall of fame, he had the 3rd most goals per game and if he wasnt injured for so long he wudda had 600+ goals
Oh yeah, imagine what the Canucks would have been if he was still playing.........just imagine him barely being able to skate because his knee is so fckd up.........now imagine you having something intelligent to say..........now THAT is tough to imagine.
Actually you would have 240dollars
MultiJmmmm 3 weeks ago
if i had a dime for the amount of pixels in this video i would have 2 dimes
Teamfinnegans 5 months ago 3
Was this shot in HD?
dirtydave6986 7 months ago 3
Bure was never as good once he got traded from Vancouver...
scarrface007 7 months ago
@scarrface007 when he was on florida he scored 59 and 60 goals consecutively
hellbound64 6 months ago
#1 is only #1 because it was a big goal...thats it #2 was better...in fact they were all better
bloodup5555 8 months ago
@MrGareth1098 HAHA tough guy right here everyone, look out.
you know so much about me, are you psychic or something??
c4nea 8 months ago
CHRIST What was Van thinking when they traded him ...
offthelinegt 8 months ago
@offthelinegt It's not really Van's fault... Pavel didn't want to play for Van anymore...
in fact we had Pavel on the roster while he just sits out for a long time
jkchia 8 months ago
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jkchia 8 months ago
some terrible choices in there. There could be a way better top 10 to do Bure justice
goinghard101 9 months ago
fucken terrible quality:@
TheKizer11 11 months ago
its videos like this one that will never let us forget what an ignorant, puck hogging, showboating asshole Bure was. I bet if they wouldve let him grow up a bit before putting him in the nhl, he might still be playing today.
c4nea 11 months ago
@c4nea thats the kind of player they needed, an Ovechkin like player, hes way better than Ovechkin but they needed an explosive shot first type player
JeremySwass 11 months ago
@JeremySwass true enough. but he took it to a whole new level to the point where his own team hated him.
c4nea 11 months ago
@c4nea yeah i see your point. i still miss Bure, what little i seen of him sadly
JeremySwass 11 months ago
this guy was ahead of his time
flyers5342 1 year ago
just love number 3,
pangpangkrokodil2 1 year ago
Bure is not a hockey star. He is a hockey super star!
WickeddekciW 1 year ago
greatest speed and greatest hands i never seen
fuckerz9 1 year ago
BURE > NHL
diglaMTW 1 year ago
why did the panthers trade him -___-
kickapoo42 1 year ago
And to think, after all that he basically didn't do a damn thing for the Canucks. Classic!
funkybunny9966 1 year ago
nr 3 shows that hes russian
salata1500 1 year ago
The NHL has seen some seriously exciting players going back many years. But I've never seen a player AS exciting as Pavel Bure was. Especially in Vancouver, we were blessed to be hockey fans, and get to watch this on a daily basis.
Reinpret 1 year ago
bures an asshole he demands a trade and what happend? he believed that he was better than everyone
VRIESWIES 1 year ago
@VRIESWIES that's because he was better than everyone.
tylerdurdonxx 1 year ago
Number 1 couldn't be any other goal. 94 cup run.
totallytempo 1 year ago
@totallytempo what was so special about #1? I don't know much about Bure just watching his top 10 and the other goals seemed more skillful. #1 just seems like he got a good pass and flicked it in around the goalie
TheMrAlwaysRight 1 year ago
@TheMrAlwaysRight
Overtime game winner on game 5 of van-calgary series in 1994, after 'the save of all time' by Kirk Mclean. Canucks won the series then went all the way to game 7 of the stanley cup finals.
totallytempo 1 year ago
@totallytempo
It is game 7 not game 5
shakebooty 1 year ago
@shakebooty Yup, your're right. So basically the guy scored series winning hattrick goal in triple overtime that enabled his team to go all the way to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Best goal.....ever!
totallytempo 1 year ago
@TheMrAlwaysRight also....he got the hat tirck...and it was in triple OT. Basically the best goal of all time for canucks fans ever.
totallytempo 1 year ago
such a great player... too many injuries could have had such a better career... and to go out with the fucking Florida Panthers of all teams!
You rock Bure!
RimlandThesis 1 year ago
He went out with the NY Rangers
Cswift56 1 year ago
Bure is just the fuckin best man. My favorite hockey player of all time. In all the nhl games since his retirement i have recreated him and in 09 and 10 i use him in be a pro. soooooo siiiick! bure for life
Maisman91 1 year ago
Imagine if he was healthy
raid4000 1 year ago
this was amazing
mikeissocool19 2 years ago
Russians have girly knees
MrColtini 2 years ago
Russian Rocket 4-ever!
SerdyukovProduction 2 years ago 16
I love the Flames fan at the end who gives the thumbs up like "Yeah, we suck compared to Bure."
Warren281 2 years ago 2
#2 is my fav, every time you see Bure fly, it seems like the video is on fast foreward.
StoneColdWhat 2 years ago 10
Gotta love the no life fags arguing on YouTube! =D
Wh33lzZzZ 2 years ago
then ya gotta love the randomly smug critique of the no life fags on youtube..cuz' ya know one is so much more superior than the other.
Portis1Luv 2 years ago
No Ovi or sid the fib would ever come close to how exciting bure was. crosby just gets pts on pp, and ovi gets his points, but obviously, when he never passes or shoots. COME BACK PAVEL.
myk010 2 years ago 2
he will always be my favorite player. and it sucks cuz i went to the game he got hurt and never came back from
nahmonky12 2 years ago
pavel bure was the most intense hockey player ever, awesome goals
rezbreed 2 years ago 2
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Bure1082 2 years ago
2 should've been 1... I want his speed :P
AlexOvie8jr 3 years ago
Retire his number!
thegiant1 3 years ago
bad pictuer
ImKoolWithThis 3 years ago
come on, these announcers don't have any excitement in their voices when these goals are scored. these goals are beauties, you can be at least a little excited
juijitsuman 3 years ago
hes not the greatest canuck but definately they most talented
superman69696 3 years ago
faster than a speeding bullet!
vancity9 3 years ago
he was a god in the ice i like him more then 99
quaqtaqbigQs 3 years ago
whos 99
hulan33 3 years ago
wayne gretzky you dumb shit
lmaccormack5555 3 years ago
Who's 99?? give your head a shake! His majesty was so great that nobody can wear his number in the league. It was retired throughout the NHL. Nobody has that!
woodss3 2 years ago
not even close. i grew up with 99 and 10 and 10 does not hold a candle to 99. G completely dominated and controlled games for decades
woodss3 3 years ago
well of course. G was the greatest player ever, but you cant deny Bure's skill
cornboy111 2 years ago
Dude....Bure was hot! We loved him, and we sqeezed almost all the good years out of him here in Vancouver. But, Bure is a mirror image of Ovechkin today, and Crosby is on par with a Sakic or Yzerman when they were hot. None of these guys are Gretzky or even a Lemieux. They have speed and physical skill, but they don't have the mental apsect of control/domination as did 99 or 66. The people who never saw these guys play just won't understand what I'm talking about.
woodss3 2 years ago
Have you ever thought about how shit the goalies actually were back in the days?, The standing shit style, but yes, of course Gretzky were outstanding, but don't ever forget Jari Kurri, he completed the setup and without the setup, Gretzky would have been an average player, maybe a star, but certainly not a superstar, well maybe, but CERTAINLY _NOT_ the best player ever, the goalies were shit back in the days with their standing style, that's just true.
vilzeh 2 years ago
buddy, this is going to sound really rude but you are 20 years old and high-lites on YT don't really show how Gretzky controlled a game. The finishing of a goal on a highlite on YT does not show the mastery of his skills and the intelligence of Greztky. I have seen Pavel and Gretzky both play. Gretzky invented new styles of attack that are made standard today. Pavel, as cool as he was, wasn't as dynamic as he relied purley on physical skills as seen by his lack of longevity.
woodss3 2 years ago
Greztky doninated with many forwards (not just Kuri) as seen with his tenure in LA. You make a point re. goalies lack of skills in the 80s and 90s (?). There were excellent goalies and crap ones just like now. Also, the D had MANY more freedoms vs. now. To penetrate a defence was much tougher back then b\c of the slashing and roughing that was not called by refs back then, and would be called now.
woodss3 2 years ago
(cont)""Gretzky would have been an average player, maybe a star, but certainly not a superstar, well maybe""..he has been acknowledged by THREE different generations of players and sports media as the best player in history. He was voted by the US magizine Sports Illustrated as the best athlete of the decade: ie he beat out Americans like Joe Namath, and Michael Jordan. So give your head a shake b/c as rude as it sounds -you don't have a clue. Gretz was far more than a flashy high-lite goal.
woodss3 2 years ago
I mean he beat out Marino not Namath.
woodss3 2 years ago
And i presume you didn't see Bobby Orr play?
11DNA11 2 years ago
why would you presume that?
woodss3 2 years ago
Orr is better than any of those guys you mentioned :)
11DNA11 2 years ago
I'd agree with exception of Gretzky.
woodss3 2 years ago
Gretzky was good, don't take me wrong. But.. Orr was phenomenal. Every guy, including Wayne said that Orr is the best ever.
11DNA11 2 years ago
"Gretzky was good"....that is the largest understatement I've heard this week. Orr is considered #2 & perhaps 3 BEHIND #99 by me (who has watched and met both), a host of players that played against both, as well as media men, and prominant hockey coaches/GMs. Also, G's NHL, Junior, and international records compilation is matched by NONE. These notions are documented fact, not fluffy opinion. Perhaps Cherry's biased opinion would agree with yours, but Sather's would equally counter that bias.
woodss3 2 years ago
actually gordie howe agrees as well as bobby hull.
i seem to remember howe played with against both gretzky and orr and said orr is the best.
orr is better my friend he won a scoring title as a dmen twice. he held the assist record as a dmen until gretzky broke it.
he could do it all score, fight, check, play d, and pass. id take him over gretzky any day.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
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woodss3 2 years ago
Orr rocks! It is something that he came 2nd to the greatest player in history. But, it is not just me who says that #99 is the best, It's not me that says he has over 60 titles to Orr's 1, it's not me who rates many of #99's records that may never be over taken, or Orr's records that most have been over taken. These items were reviewed by credible hockey men: GM's, coaches, past great players, and long term TV men to rate the greatest player. It is men in the NHL business, & not couch coaches.
woodss3 2 years ago
like i said. mr hockey himself and the golden jet said he is the greatest they have ever seen.
that includes gretzky. sorry ill take their word over yours and the word of some gms. lets see another coach , don cherry, said hes the greatest. look what he did with bad knees. and yes two of his records over taken. one by paul coffey and one by gretzky. thats it.
still has the most norris trophies.
gretzky was great but orr was god. and howe was hockey.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
me too.. Gretzky was an awesome offensive player, but Orr had it all. He played like a 3rd defenseman and 4th forward all the time. If he could've played his whole career 14-16 seasons, he would be in the top 4 in all time points in the league. Phenomenal player.
11DNA11 2 years ago
yea man. only dmen who reminded me of him was coffey. even though his d was a bit shaky at times he still wasnt horrible at d.
ppersonally for me i think coffey was a better offensive dmen then bourque.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
personally i think howe was better then gretzky.
and btw buddy if you think subtley calling me a couch coach is going to bother me its not. it made me laugh.
you dont know me so assume all you want. for all you know i could be a minor league player or a top prospect in the CHL.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
couch coach is me, all the others that do not make hockey their business- probably you too as per your profile. But, that is why I noted it is not me that illuminated the FACTs of Gretzky's monumental achievments to make him the true GREAT ONE. Longevity is part of the game and part of the equation of greatness. Who knows if #4 were not injured what he would achieve, same could be said for Bossy, or maybe Bure. 'Coulda shoulda woulda' history doesn't even count in horse shoes.
woodss3 2 years ago
(cont)...thank goodness 'the Hockey News' asked more than two people (Howe and Hull) to make the poll creadable. Odd, I heard on the CBC Howe mention #99 as the greatest. They interviewed with him while Gretz was on LA and overtook Howe in scoring. Perhaps he changed his mind.....he is pretty elderly.
woodss3 2 years ago
howe actually said that orr was the greatest after 93' buddy. alot of people would agree. so longevity is apart of the game eh?/ that would make howe the greatest player ever then buddy.
his achievements to me are great yes BUT he did that when the league in the early 80's had very little talent in their prime. and a hof team aroundh im.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
don't take what I say out of context: "so longevity is apart of the game eh?/ that would make howe the greatest player ever then buddy." Howe is considered one of the greats b/c of longevity. It is one important factor of many. It is not the deciding factor. Also, #99 won the Conn Smyth twice (85/87). Gretz was the captain (1983-1988) and obviously lead the team to 4 cups (x2 of Orr's). He also lead LA to the finals. 1st yr in LA he was 2nd in scoring in the NHL. How did Orr do post Boston?
woodss3 2 years ago
haha consdiering orr played on two bum knees after boston he retired after trying to comeback with chicago. still prvoes nothing. he was the best and most complete player ever. he could do everything at top speed, he could also check and fight. didnt have the enforcer that gretzky did stickin up for him. he wasnt a puss.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
the puss argument is weak, and complete player is not what was rated- all time greatest was.Like I said before, injuries are part of the longevity and logevity is part of the greatness factor. Example, I read many polls to show Horton was a better 'all-round ' Dman (ie complete) vs. Orr. Maybe Orr should have had an enforcer? Bossy had Gillies,Bure had Odjick Crosby had Laroque...so who cares? Nobody says they were pussies and deminishes their records of greatness. 60 records to 1 proves all
woodss3 2 years ago
again youre a joke.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
I am glad I'm so amusing. Like I say Orr rocks. He is a close number 2 (some say #3). That makes him awesome. But he is not the Great One. That is a title for #99 only. The numbers don't lie 60-1. cheers!
woodss3 2 years ago
LMAO the numbers do lie buddy. gretzky is number 2. guy lafluer howe hull and many others would agree guys who played against both. give your head a shake. stats dont tell the story. if gretzky could do it all then yea id say he was better.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Ok buddy YOU'RE RIGHT. All the experts ie: TV people that watched both for years whose job it is to observe,analyse, and report on players, all the prominent past hockey players from different eras, all the GMs/coaches. All these people that were polled, and the stats complied for almost 100 years ARE ALL WRONG.....please when both are long dead the numbers, and these expert testimonials are all that will be left. The 2-bits from emotional Boston fans living in the past will not be remembered.
woodss3 2 years ago
(cont) 60-1 is tough to fudge. Perhaps it's all a big conspiracy of evil Gretzky fans and pragmatic people who read polls, listen to a range of experts, and open to stats to disgrace #4 ?? Give me a break. Here is a question, have you even seen Orr or Gretzky play? Profiles are decieving but 21years old suggests that maybe your dad is a Gretzky hater and grew watching Orr. I have seen both. I actually met both.
woodss3 2 years ago
(cont-2) Judges involved in poll include writers, journalists, and broadcasters (Don Cherry, John Davidson, Milt Dunnell, Stan Fischler, Dick Irvin, Brian McFarlane, Bob McKenzie, Jim Matheson, Harry Neale, Frank Orr), also coaches, referees, general managers, and former players (Al Arbour, Scotty Bowman, Emile Francis, Howie Meeker, Scotty Morrison, Roger Neilson, Bud Poile, Sam Pollock, Marcel Pronovost, Billy Reay, Glen Sather, Harry Sinden, Red Storey). BUT HEY, I GUESS YOU KNOW BETTER
woodss3 2 years ago
actually i have seen gretzky play.
best offensive player yes no question.
best player all around (meaning g reatest) no way in hell.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Seeing him when you were 11 yrs old when he played for the Rangers is far from seeing him during the Edmonton dynasty or while in LA. It is impossible to judge especially when you are relying on YT clips of Orr and your Dad's(?) testimonial. However, even in G's last year his point totals would put him tops on the 2009 Rangers regular season. He finished in the 98/99 season with 62 points- Antropov has 58.
It's Ok my Dad thinks Howe and Horton were better than G and Orr. Dad's are like that.
woodss3 2 years ago
actually i saw him play during his kings days buddy thank you very much :)
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
also you keep implying im going off my dads views. hahah again you know nothing. he thinks bossy is the best offensive player and potvin the best dmen ever.
his is bias opinion. mine is fact.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Your Dad's opinions are pretty good. Bossy was deadly and Potvin was stellar>
But...using the words 'fact' when you've never seen Orr play is a little lofty. You must base your '""facts"" on word of mouth and/or NHL stats... items that you mentioned earlier are not creadible and "lie" ...seems a little hypocritical to me. A combo of stats, and testimonials from hockey experts that watched #99 and #4 seem to have a lot more weight in dertermining reasonable fact to me ...and many others
woodss3 2 years ago
word of mouth is opinion. watching clips of his rushes and what he did then and how he played the game no one will or ever has been that good.
i dont give a shit what records say.
and please just end the fucking arguement. you obviously are deepthroating gretzky and i doubt you ever saw him play. have a good one.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
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woodss3 2 years ago
"""gretzky and i doubt you ever saw him play""" Wrong...and yes I saw Orr play too. But for a punk that doesn't care about expert testimony from many hockey men, or "'who dosen't give a shit what records say'" ie. from stats that have been accumalated for almost a 100yrs; my seeing Gretz and Orr would mean little to you!
You've just made another case for fading Orr fans that place him #1 based upon emotion rather than objective performance. Go on living in your edited YT world.
woodss3 2 years ago
you talk about the youtube world yet you are on here and act like a know it all judging from your little channel. if you have seen orr play then you wouldnt be saying gretzky is better.
obvioulsy i struck a nerve with the "punk" comment.
i suggest you grow up.
and yes records mean nothing. orr played in a tougher time of hockey with better talent and a lesser team then gretzky did.
what happened when he left the oilers? never won another cup. didnt have a HOF team like he did with edmonton.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Orr played in expansion time too so the dilution argument is garbage.The Seals and the Caps were some of the worst teams in history that people feasted on in the 70s. Also, Euros came over to add talent in the 80s.Last I heard there is no subjective era factor for stats. If that's your argument than Richard and Howe were far better than Orr & G. Gretz took LA to cup when he left and was top 2 scoring when he left. Orr was washed up when he left Bos.
Yes saying I suck cock does strike nerves
woodss3 2 years ago
haha orr had bad knees buddy so what he did in 10 years missing games here and there is even more amazing and the fact he did it while sticking up for himself was even more amazing.
and im sorry it hurt your feelings? hahah go slam down another one then buddy.
i would considered richard the best wing ever number one with howe. he only played 50 games and scored 50 goals. thats insane.
i think howe richard and orr are far better then gretzky.
and you missed the point about the HOF oilers.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
hmm 50-50 was an accomplishment, but 39-50 is much better imo.. :)
11DNA11 2 years ago
9 strait 50 or more goal seasons is something Gretzky never did. But Bossy is the only one. :)
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Gretzky had four 200+ point seasons, in 5 years of time :) And the only season that was under 200 was 196. So both had the NHL on their knees when they played :) I know Bossy would've probably been the all time greatest goalscorer, considering his scoring rate. Too bad that he had to retire so early. I like both players :)
11DNA11 2 years ago
Only Four years man haha sorry. I am not denying Gretz was great he was. But he was never as good with out Coffey, Kuri, Messier.
Bure imo is one of the best russians ever. Greatest pure scorer was Bossy, greatest ever Bobby Orr, Best offensive player Gretz.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Read up.. I said "Gretzky had four 200+ point seasons, in 5 years of time" so that's four 200+ point seasons in a time of 5 seasons. I do agree on that final list you made :) Although you missed one. "Most talented player in history, Mario Lemieux" :)
11DNA11 2 years ago
I would not say Lemieux is the most talented because there are far more talented that never amounted to anything special because of the most important part of a player. their head.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
in 81'-82' Bossy was the fastest player to reach 300 goals in the amount of games played, as well as the fastest player to reach 500 goals in the amount of games played in 85'-86', to only have both goal marks to be surpassed and scored faster by Wayne Gretzky's 300 goals in 83'-84' and 500 goals in 86'-87'.
itsanewcar123 1 year ago
Gretzky also had Messier, Kuri, Coffey to take the pressure away from.
Bossy was the best pure shooter in hockey all time. Bure is right there as well.
canadianhockey1924 1 year ago
on a stacked oilers team, zzz
joyfulvulture 2 years ago
Well.. Detroit is stacked, and none of em even scored 50 goals last season.
11DNA11 2 years ago
are u seriously comparing detroit's 08-09 team to gretzky's oilers? lol you're either clueless or stupid, or both.
joyfulvulture 2 years ago
coffey messier kuri fuhr. all hlped gretzky with scoring goals padding his assits total. along with helping create open space so he could score that much
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like i said look what happened when he went to LA he couldnt produce as good.
he also DIDNT win the cup. he was close but no cigar.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
true, yes , no question..... but neither did Orr, neither did Laflure, niether did any that come to mind except Messier. However, none would not put Mes above Orr, G, above even Lemieux or Howe b/c he won a cup in 2 different cities as captain.
woodss3 2 years ago
orr was never a captain though haha. i honestly would take messier over gretzky.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
now you're being spiteful. Messier was great but there were many that were better
woodss3 2 years ago
hahah im going with the fact that hes second all time in points and won 6 cups two of them being captain.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Great player, a hall of famer, but none with ANY hockey smarts would put him ahead of Gretzky as 'The All Time Greatest Player' when measuring accomplishments. There are many great players to choose ahead of him. The Hockey NEWS places Mes at 12th and Gretz as 1 for good reason. NOBODY had the desire to win more than Gretzky- NOBODY! This is one of the attributes that made him the best . Messier would agree with this. G's mental drive is what compensated for his lack of physical power.
woodss3 2 years ago
w/e buddy you just keep going with this bullshit so im done. its obvious you got a huge hard on for the great one.
orr was better skill wise and all around. gretzky's vison was matched by none. but id take orr over gretzky any day.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
Well fine, seems like a waste of time doesn't it? Your true love ""HARD-ON"" for Orr blinds you> I'll let you go so you can continue ""deep throating"" your fantasy boy.
woodss3 2 years ago
actually i have no love for orr haha. my favourite player isnt him. simply stating he was better then gretzky even on one knee. he did it all something gretzky didnt. like i said stats really dont mean shit.
so have fun buddy :)
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
how is that being spitefull? thats being honet and smart.
the guy had size speed, and great leadership qualities and winning desire.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
@woodss3 I would agree with you somewhat. That you can't effectively judge a player unless you've seen them play at least in their prime. I'm too young to have been alive when Bobby Orr was playing, but just from his clips on youtube, I can still tell that he was one of the best players of all time.
tylerdurdonxx 1 year ago
he couldnt lead a team by himself and win the big one. i dont believe he ever was a con smyth winner. orr was TWICE.
yea orrs the best. second best skater, best defender etc etc.
im not saying could shoulda woulda. im saying hes the best just on what he did in the 12 seasons he played.
canadianhockey1924 2 years ago
good question.....I can say that I did. Not sure about canadianhockey1924
woodss3 2 years ago
The fastest and most explosive player ever to play in the NHL!!!!! So sad he had to finish long time before he was supposed to...we miss you Pavel
uujdjhdjeudhjjshjeh 3 years ago 7
i just gotta say on all the teams he was on he was best on the canucks
Br3nd3n14 3 years ago
this is not his real top 10, he had better goals, its a crime that he wasnt voted in the hall of fame, he had the 3rd most goals per game and if he wasnt injured for so long he wudda had 600+ goals
brooklynking336 3 years ago 3
I've always wondered who edits these top 10's. There's always the half of it that is'nt the player's best.
jpoux27 3 years ago
same thing for the Rocket Richard
nicolasinfire 3 years ago 2
em how could number 1 be number 1 in that video?
invece 3 years ago
overtime game 7 1994, the year nucks made the finals... a series they were down 3-1 and came back to win... says a lot
sylid 3 years ago 4
If Pavel was still playing, you would see a ton of these goals like in 2:15
Who would stop him in the new NHL ?
kl1nm2 3 years ago 3
They couldn't stop him now,they would try to injure him,that's the only way to stop such a force
Vlady14 3 years ago
That is right, same thing will happen to Alex Ovechkin and otehers. Can players like these superstars play 10+ years, I don't think so.
RoTLike 3 years ago
numbre 10 dude hes so fucking fast like i knew he was fast but shit like ud feel so slow racing for the puck against him like cmon thats ridiculous
Nirvanarules45 3 years ago
He was definitely the most fun player to watch :)
gipilot12 4 years ago
Yes, our Pavel played well, great Russian captain. А как мы у вас в 1972 выиграли . Вообще часто американцев и канадцев делали . Russia forward!
sdsdfdsfsdfdsfdf 4 years ago
Ranked third all-time in goals-per-game. Behind only the great "Super Mario" Lemeiux and Mike Bossy. That's pretty fuckin amazing.
rico1096 4 years ago 5
He is the fastest and one of the most exciting players in the history of hockey no doubt about it !
Vlady14 4 years ago
bure was awesome!
GO CANUCKS GO!!
8thWonderOvechkin 4 years ago 3
FACE !
dishwashingagent 4 years ago
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he was offside on 6
rickslik 4 years ago
No he wasn't. Nedved didn't have the puck; the puck was ahead of him, in the zone...
erik88nyr 3 years ago
pure awesomeness
skinnymilk 4 years ago
(looks Down)
Oh yeah, imagine what the Canucks would have been if he was still playing.........just imagine him barely being able to skate because his knee is so fckd up.........now imagine you having something intelligent to say..........now THAT is tough to imagine.
20minutepie 4 years ago
wow all he is tryin to say is tht if he was capable of playing, wat an impact he would be. Wow ur a douche bag
BostonmAn08 4 years ago
imagine wut the nucks woulda been if he was still playing and was on the team...just imagine..
ballsacksssss 4 years ago 3
bure was the SHIT
what a shame man, he woulda been a record breaker.
Spiomabio 4 years ago 2
Russian rocket... yea, Bure is the man
GrimRaper2006 4 years ago 3