Eisenhower, DeGaulle and Churchill all wrote thick volumes about WW2 and never made reference to any systematic extermination of the European jews because they each knew that the "holocaust" was zionist propaganda fraud. The top political leaders never wish to sacrifice their own credibility so the ultra-wealthy jews instead always use stooge media types, stooge historians and stooge hollywood types to disseminate the "holocaust" lies.
@kazan188 Qouted from Max Hastings book Finest Years Churchill as warload 1940-45 page 307-308. "Its was widely reported that the Nazis were conducting appalling massacres, killing many Jews in death camps. But the concept of systematic genocide embracing millions of victims was beyond popular, and even prime ministerial, imagination. Entire books have been written about Churchill and the Holocaust, yet the fundamentals may be expressed succinctly: the prime minister was aware from 1942
@2242bigd "Its was widely reported that the Nazis were conducting appalling massacres, killing many Jews in death camps."
The Allied investigated about these rumours. An August 14, 1944 letter from John McCloy, the U.S. Assistant War Secretary, says that a study was done about whether it was necessary to bomb Birkenau. The same with an August 2, 1944 letter by Chief Air Marshall Norman Bottomley. These studies are now missing but Birkenau was never bombed, contrary to Monowitz bombed 4 times.
@kazan188 Monowitz camp itself held a number of working factories if im not mistaken. Bombing was rare on many camps and that was mainly because RAF and US air forces were attacking cities, oil, and other production of war. These camps were not in cities or towns but in the middle of nowhere. One other thing a family friend of mine who father lived in Germany during this time, kept a dairy and photos. He knew of a camp and his dairy was used at trails and is now in a holocaust museum.
@2242bigd "Monowitz camp itself held a number of working factories. Bombing was rare on many camps and that was mainly because RAF and US air forces were attacking cities, oil, and other production of war."
Knowing the huge jewish influence in the Allied countries (Eisenhower and Roosevelt for instance), do you want me to believe that the Allies haven't bombed Auschwitz-Birkenau just because it was not a factory? Not a few bombs to save their brothers? Are you joking? ;-)
@2242bigd Churchill knew about the holocaust in 1942? How? Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, declared in August 1943: "The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded. I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publically giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence." (August 27, 1943, Public Record Office, FO 371/34551)
@kazan188 The Holocaust was not only about Jews, I accept that after the war the Jews made it so public and most people now think of holocaust and think only Jews. Many other people died and were murdered within camps, even surviving camp guards admit to what happen and have given full and very detailed stories to what they did and how things were carried out. And as to Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, Ultra was top-secret and it was common even
@kazan188 I have been reading up on Victor Cavendish-Bentinck on his Biography
Victor succeeded to the title in 1980, on the death of his brother, the 8th Duke. He was educated at Wellington College but did not pursue a university education, instead entering the diplomatic service in 1919. His diplomatic career was distinguished. In 1922 he took charge of administrative arrangments for the Lausanne Conference. He served in the British Embassy in Paris and also in the League of Nations Depart
@kazan188 I did notice that on Wikipedia it states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee." but his biography clearly states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council."
There is a very big difference between Joint Industrial Council and Joint Intelligence Committee would you not say? The last I looked up two things had nothing to do with each other.
@2242bigd "There is a very big difference between Joint Industrial Council and Joint Intelligence Committee would you not say? The last I looked up two things had nothing to do with each other."
I don't know. I'm not British. I'm not competent to judge these details of the British internal affairs.
@kazan188 onwards that the Nazis were pursuing murderous policies towards the Jews. British Jewish leaders sought to urge upon him that their people were subject to unique and historically unprecedented horrors. He responded with words of deep sympathy, indeed passion, and once urged that the RAF should do whatever was possible to cheek the slaughter. But he did not himself pursue the issue when told of 'operational difficulties' - which meant that the airmen did not believe that attempts to
@kazan188 destroy railway tracks in Eastern Europe were as useful to the war effort as continuing the assault on Germany's cities. Churchill perceived the killings of Jews in the context of Hitler's wider policies of massacre, which embraced millions of Russians, Poles, Yugoslavs, Greeks and other races. He believed that the only way to address these horrors was by hastening the defeat of Germany and liberation of the occupied nations. This assumption also guided public sentiment."
@kazan188 Qouted from Max Hastings book Finest Years Churchill as warload 1940-45 page 501-2 "There seems little doubt the British and American intelligence possessed enough information by late 1944, from Ultra and escaped Auschwitz prisoners, to deduce that something uniquely terrible was being done to the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe, if the evidence had been appropriately highlighted. The failure of either government to act has incurred brutal strictures from critics."
@kazan188 So I think its pretty fair to say that Churchill and his fellow Allied leaders (FDR and Stalin) were well informed of the goings on that you say did not happen, and while Churchill was aware of these things the books he wrote were mainly about his leadership and Britain at war and how he lead the country. You also have to consider that at the time of writing his books the word was not ready to accept the holocaust and for along time many people did not want to hear of more suffering
@kazan188 I suggest you should also read the book Spectator in Hell (A British soldier's story of imprisonment in Auschwitz) written by Colin Rushton. Quoting Prologue " The train ground to a halt and the sliding doors of the carriage were crashed open. The two dozen men inside raised their hands to the sun and in turn jumped down from the train. They were met by the chorus of commands from a handful of Wehrmacht guards awaiting their arrival. 'Bewegen sie! Bewegen Schnell!'
@kazan188 A few minutes later they came to a factory. To the side of the road was a young girl of about fifteen being severely and brutally flogged with a riding crop by an officer of the SS. Kneeling helplessly in front of him, the young girl was facing the oncoming POWs and presented to them a figure of terror. Her hair had been carelessly shaven and her scalp was cut. Fresh wound inflicted by the German officer were bleeding and small red rivers ran from her face forehead to her chin.
@kazan188 She was naked above the waist and Arthur could see from her ribs and drawn cheeks that she had not been properly fed for some time" This was lived through by a young soldier named Arthur Dodds and his story was written by Colin Rushton. Its been suggested that their were around 600+ commonwealth soldiers at Auschwitz, and many testimonies were used at the trails in 46-47. One other thing Eisenhower and DeGaulle were not in positions to know of the holocaust and why should they?
@2242bigd British intelligence deliberately masterminded the gas chamber lie. In a 1944 memorandum, Victor Cavendish-Bentinck wrote: "'we have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don't we run the risk that eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring down the whole of our psychological warfare effort with it. So isn't it rather time now to let it drift off by itself?"
@kazan188 with the intelligence that one department did not know what was being found out in another department. Some parts of Ultra were so secret and only open to a small number of people.
@kazan188 There are many debates on what happen and if the gas chambers were real or not. But that does remove the fact that millions died within German hands, the Germans were responsible for these lives and they did little to help. It was not only the Germans who were murdering millions during this time or before the war. Stalin has also been questioned about the blood on his hands which is said to be above 15 million people even up to 22 million people who died at his hands.
@kazan188 It was no hidden secret that Hitler and the Nazis disliked the Jews and other races and people who did not share the same views as theirs. There are many books of the 1930's on the Nazi party and its rising, and it was publicly reported by world news and reporters from all over the world what was happening to the Jewish communities within Germany itself. You suggest strongly that it was British intelligence at the end of the war creating stories of mass murder, and that it was blown
@kazan188 out of scale to look and sound far worse. Most of what has come to light is by people who were there and not just from people who suffered but also from the people who inflicted torment and death. Neither you or I were there and so we can only read and come to our own thoughts to what is true or not. But there was no hidden secret to how far Hitler and his loyal people would go with what they believed in, and the fact that Hitler was willing and even forcing millions of Germans to die
@kazan188 with little care or thought is a testimonie to how crazy the Nazis were and Hitler. Had he cared he would of never of gone to war with Poland, and he would of tried hard to enter political talks after the fall of Paris with the western allies and Russia.
@2242bigd Don't make this jewish holy war against Germany called WW2 look like a war that Hitler wanted. In his book 'The Origins of the Second World War" pr Taylor shows ver well how ridiculous this accusation is, “The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all” (p.267). Like David Brown, President of American Hebrew, said in 1934 “We Jews are going to bring war on Germany.”, what they did...
@kazan188 “The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all”
I strongly suggest you read the book Panzer Leader General Heinz Guderian as he himself wrote of the demands Hitler put on the armed forces in Germany during the mid 1930's and the plans and production increase of war materials and training. The way he deceived and cheated the rules of the treaty of Versailles.
@2242bigd "the demands Hitler put on the armed forces in Germany during the mid 1930's and the plans and production increase of war materials and training. The way he deceived and cheated the rules of the treaty of Versailles."
The Treaty of Versailles specified that Germany had to disarm itself before the other nations do the same. Hitler unsuccessfully called many times the other nations to disarm themselves. So he re-armed his country. What is the problem?
@kazan188 The Treaty of Versailles specified that Germany had to disarm itself before the other nations do the same. Hitler unsuccessfully called many times the other nations to disarm themselves. So he re-armed his country. What is the problem?
Do you often contradict yourself? It was only in your last posts that you tried to claim Hitler did not re-arm Germany and that he did his best to avoid all war!!.. The factories in Monowitz were thought to be war production and it was until 44
@2242bigd "It was only in your last posts that you tried to claim Hitler did not re-arm Germany and that he did his best to avoid all war!!.. "
No contradiction at all. Hitler re-armed Germany in order to make his country as armed as his neighbours (for defensive reasons: si vis pacem para bellum (if you want peace, prepare war)) and he started to build new weapon factories for an intensive war effort only after the beginning of WW2 (end 39).
Hitler re-armed Germany in order to make his country as armed as his neighbours (for defensive reasons: si vis pacem para bellum (if you want peace, prepare war)
Yet once he got Germany armed as you say for defensive reasons he then removed his neighbours by politics and when that failed is was by invasion and war . That is not being defensive by any means, its aggressive.
@kazan188 he started to build new weapon factories for an intensive war effort only after the beginning of WW2 (end 39).
For a country that was not meant to have any armour or armoured units by 1935 the Germany army had 3 Panzer Div's.
Design of the Panzer 1 began in 1932 and mass production in 1934. Production began in 1935 on the Panzer 2, but it took another eighteen months before the first combat-ready tank was delivered.
@kazan188 Testing of the Panzer 3 prototypes took place in 1936 and 1937. With the first model of the Panzer 3, the Ausf. A, coming off the assembly line in May 1937. Panzer 5, design work had begun in 1935 and trials of prototypes were undertaken in 1937.
@kazan188 Is that so hard to understand that a leader can re-arm his country AND want peace at the same time? Do all well-armed countries want war?
When that country has already waged war once and created death and destruction on a such a large scale as in WW1, its leader has no right specially after the county signed a treaty of peace. After WW1 and the treaty was signed Germany was left alone and was not occupied which considering after all it had done from 1914-18 was a blessing .
No need to ask all the prisoners to lie. Many of them were very happy to do so without anybody asking them to.
You have ignored my point here and failed to twist it around. I was pointing out that every prisoner (not just the Jews) were saying the same things about the death camps, with the length of time it covered and the huge numbers passing through the system and the distance between camps it would be impossible for the same made up story .
Bombs were dropped on auschwitz-Birkenau. is that what you say?
"every prisoner (not just the Jews) were saying the same things about the death camps"
Every prisoner was saying the same after getting instructions from their soviet liberators. The first article in the Pravda after Auschwitz liberation was about electrical killing facilities, not gas chambers What about the prisoners saying there was gas chambers in Western camps?.
@kazan188 Bombs were dropped on auschwitz-Birkenau. is that what you say?
There were three camps in Auschwitz spread out over 25 sq miles, Monowitz was the smallest of the three and it was here that bombs were dropped which was were the factories we housed and the Commonwealth PoW soldiers were. The PoW's worked in the factories along side many of the other prisoners
@2242bigd "There were three camps in Auschwitz spread out over 25 sq miles, Monowitz was the smallest of the three and it was here that bombs were dropped which was were the factories"
I know what was Monowitz. But why not a few bombs to destroy the alledged death factory located at 5 kilometers from there? Didn't those jewish nations want to save some of their own brothers?
@kazan188 But why not a few bombs to destroy the alledged death factory located at 5 kilometers from there? Didn't those jewish nations want to save some of their own brothers?
That is a big question many of the people who were there asked and even some politicians, however the logic and reason for not doing it was defeat Hitler and the Nazi's and that would put an end to it for good. In 1944 and early 45 German war production was at its highest it had ever been during WW2.
@kazan188 Even with all the allied bombing, the Germans could rebuild faster and had the slave manpower to it do. From a military point of view bombing a building that had no great war winning gain and could be rebuilt again within a week was non-constructive to the big bigger effort of defeating Germany. This was and still is a very harsh answer and logic which for the people suffering was a very cruel response, however that does not mean it was the wrong choice.
@kazan188 But no matter how the 11 million people died (whether it be by gas, bullet, lack of food, forced labour and so on) as German prisoner in the Reich those 11 million people did die and that number is a lower guessed number rather than a blown out of scale number.
@2242bigd 11 million people died in the hands of nazis? Not so sure. General Jaruzelski, the last communist president of Poland, recently revealed in an interview with the Moscow daily Isvestia that the population statistics of his country had been falsified by the communists after WW2 in order to demonize the Germans. The kabbalistic '6 million' figure had been used many times in the press before WW2 and the '5 million' figure was added to make the goys feel concerned with the nazi "crimes".
@kazan188 Not so sure. General Jaruzelski, the last communist president of Poland, recently revealed in an interview with the Moscow daily Isvestia that the population statistics of his country had been falsified by the communists after WW2 in order to demonize the Germans.
I don't understand the point your making.
The communists did not need to make more reasons to demonize the Germans, the Nazis and German Army did a very good job of that on their without help when they went into USSR in 41
@kazan188 I have been to Moscow a number of times and been to the Great Patriotic War museum (which might I add covers the holocaust and the camps the Russians came across), yet there was in noway dramatise, lies or wrong and miss leading information being given out as it was based on facts. I've spent the last 10-12 years of my life studying mainly the Great Patriotic War (as its known in Russia) and WW2 as we know it and focus alot on the Russians and the Germans more so than the West
@2242bigd "I have been to Moscow a number of times and been to the Great Patriotic War museum (which might I add covers the holocaust and the camps the Russians came across)"
Stalin's archives, a fair objective source of information that we can trust without questioning, isn't it? Did they present their war lies too? Did they expose the famous homicidal steam chambers of Treblinka or the electrical killing facilities of Auschwitz invented by their propaganda services? :-)
@kazan188 But I have still spent may be 5 -6 years studying the Western Aillies during WW2 and time on the holocaust. However to have a fair understand of what happened at all and to find what was true and false you have to find out from a lot of sources and different views. The fact that a lot of former German soldiers are openly admitting the horrors and the great numbers of former prisoners telling the same story is enough for a lot of the world to know what's true and false
@2242bigd " The fact that a lot of former German soldiers are openly admitting the horrors and the great numbers of former prisoners telling the same story is enough for a lot of the world to know what's true and false"
The 'survivors' stories don't even corroborate each other on many sides. And about the alledged perpetrators, the Nuremberg trials' goal was not to prove the holocaust. So their only chance to avoid jail for life was to say "it was not my fault. It was my boss' fault".
@kazan188 Are you really trying to suggest that the Russians and British got all the former prisoners together and said "Now look here people we want to make the Germans and Nazi's sound 10 times worse than they were so from now on we want you to publicly tell this made up story, forget the fact that you have already been through hell and lost friends and families, got sick from illness, under feed and worked like dogs that's just not bad enough you must tell that you were gassed"!!!!!
@2242bigd "Are you trying to suggest the Russians and British got all the former prisoners together and said "Now we want to make the Nazi's sound 10 times worse than they were ""
No need to ask all the prisoners to lie. Many of them were very happy to do so without anybody asking them to. Just need a few of them to say those lies to the press and on 'trials'. The jews of the communist regime and a few jews of the press in the Western democracies were enough to spread such a myth.
@kazan188 Something I thought of interest for you about the book you mentioned
A. J. P. Taylor's famous -- or notorious -- book, The Origins of the Second World War. Taylor, with his usual flamboyant cleverness, turned the accepted understanding of the War's origins upside down. Hitler was not so much a madman as a typical German seeking German dominance over central and eastern Europe. He was an opportunist, not a genius.
Just to note, he writes Hitler as German when he was not
@2242bigd "Hitler was not so much a madman as a typical German seeking German dominance over central and eastern Europe. He was an opportunist, not a genius."
I don't care about Taylor's subjective opinion about Hitler. Hitler lost much more than what he gained in his fight for his Volk. Contrary to Taylor, comfortably sat on his chair, he sacrificed his life for his people and died from his struggle against the communist and jewish hyenas.
@kazan188 You are forgetting that some German civilians, lots of PoW's and lots of German guards were making the same statements as the prisoners were, confirming the horrors which were inflected.
Stalin's archives, a fair objective source of information that we can trust without questioning, isn't it?
Were the records left from Hitlers Reich anymore trust worthy than USSR, of course not.
@2242bigd "There were Western PoW's camped in the smallest of the 3 camps in Auschwitz which I quoted and told u in my first few post's"
And everybody in the camp knew about those magical gas chambers, is that what you mean? Why disguising those gas chambers in shower rooms if everybody knew about them?
@kazan188 And everybody in the camp knew about those magical gas chambers, is that what you mean? Why disguising those gas chambers in shower rooms if everybody knew about them?
At the start it made sense to disguising them, but beyond that it was more of just wanting to torment their prisoners and a feeling of control and power over them.
It did not take long for people who where there to work out what was happening and from that point on it made no logic to continue the deception, which the
@2242bigd "but beyond that it was more of just wanting to torment their prisoners and a feeling of control and power over them."
Haven't I told you to stop jerking off while you watch Spielberg's propaganda movies. "The mean nazis wanted to torment their poor little prisoners". Grow up, boy... ;-)
@kazan188 No, you made me laugh. You reminded me when I was 6 years old. ;-)
Tell me how it is I reminded you of when you were 6 years old please... I was happy having a debate with you and it was you who started to be rude and offensive, that is childish by far.. Which until my last post I re-framed from doing because it was clear you just wanted to be rude!!
@kazan188 German civilians knew about the holocaust? A brand new version of the holohoax you have... :-)
Like I said in one of my first few post, a family friend who is German and her father lived in Germany during the war. He kept a dairy of the events, some of which were about the people being sent to death camps. At the end of the war he gave his dairy to be used at the trails as it had extensive accounts and photos. He knew of the camps. I also said SOME not all German civilians
@kazan188 According to the press (especially the NY Times) there had been at least 15 "holocausts of 6 million jews"
The word holocaust does not represent the deaths of Jews only, during WW2 it was not just Jews who were victims and even the Jews who lived through the holocaust publicly speak about the fact it was not just them but anyone who was not seen as part of the master race. That is the other 5 million people of many kinds.
@2242bigd "The word holocaust does not represent the deaths of Jews only, even the Jews publicly speak about the fact it was not just them but anyone who was not seen as part of the master race. That is the other 5 million people of many kinds."
Don't play with words. There were many articles in newspapers about alledged genocides of 6 million jews before 1933. The 5 million figure has been chosen to make the goys feel concerned but less hurt than the jews and their kabbalistic 6 million.
@kazan188 he sacrificed his life for his people and died from his struggle against the communist and jewish hyenas.
He did not sacrifice himself for his people, he did it only because he did not want the Russians to make a public trail (which was a special liking for Stalin) and death sentence. By the time the Russians were knocking on Berlins doors he did not care for you call "his people". As far as Hitler was concerned his people were traitors for letting the war come to his defeat.
@kazan188 Stop jerking off watching Spielberg's movies... :-)
While movies are good to watch they are often far from the telling the whole truth.. If you picked up a book once in while and read it you would learn that most of the statements made by Hitler about his people being traitors were made ONLY by the German soldiers who served under him.
@kazan188 Stop jerking off watching Spielberg's movies
One other thing Spielberg has never made a film about Hitler and his last few days alive. However there was a film made by German director Oliver Hirschbiegel, film called "Downfall"..
@kazan188 Is that so hard to understand that a leader can re-arm his country AND want peace at the same time? Do all well-armed countries want war?
Also the British and French armies between WW1 and WW2 had been reduced from its 1918 numbers. Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat, and it showed when Germany did go to war and swept over Europe and other armies just how under armed and prepared other countries were. And your trying to tell me Germany only re-armed like its neighbours!!
@2242bigd "Also the British and French armies between WW1 and WW2 had been reduced from its 1918 numbers. Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat"
False. Germany participated to the disarmament Conferences very late, but France refused to disarm iself and Germany finally decided to re-arm.
@kazan188 False. Germany participated to the disarmament Conferences very late, but France refused to disarm iself and Germany finally decided to re-arm.
The French Army peaked just over 8 million troops in WW1... By the time WW2 came the French army had 900,000 professional soldiers in 1939.. Even with the French reserves (part time soldiers who had seen a limited amount of active service) of 5 million it is still a decline of a large force.
@2242bigd "Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat,"
A bit more complicated than that. A quotation to understand. Kazimierz Sosnkowski, Polish General and Minister-in-Exile, declared in August 31st, 1943: "Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization marked a turning point in the history of Europe. It forced Hitler to wage war at a time when he hoped to gain further unbloody victories."
@kazan188 "Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization marked a turning point in the history of Europe.
And do you know why and how they made this choice? Many people do not know this but it was NEVER the British who cracked the Enigma code AkA Ultra, it was decoded by the poles in the mid 30's. Apart from a small period of time from Sept to Nov 1938 when the prescribed positions were changed by the Germans, the poles were reading many of the messages.
@2242bigd "when the prescribed positions were changed by the Germans, the poles were reading many of the messages"
To understand the mutual secular hatred between Poles and Germans, rising up at that time, read "The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict - A Brief Synopsis ". Brits wanted a war with Hitler, and so the British government under Chamberlain gave Poland an intervention guarantee. Its purpose was to incite Poland to escalate its endeavors for war against Germany.
@kazan188 "The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict - A Brief Synopsis "
I have already come across this and I did read it.. The British did not want war on any account, Chamberlain the the British Government had already give way to many of Hitler's demands over the Rhineland, Austria and Czech. Chamberlain was ready to give in to Hitler's demand over Danzig (which was one of the main arguments over Poland) but then Germany invaded Poland anyway.
@2242bigd "The British did not want war on any account"
The British have naturally made as if they didn't want war. There exists telegrams exchanged between Germany and GB proving that Churchill was ready to make peace if Germany accepted to come back to the gold standard. The jews didn't want that the successful nazi economic system to be adopted by others countries. To prevent that, Germany absolutely had to be attacked and the British puppets were perfect tools for that operation.
@kazan188 There exists telegrams exchanged between Germany and GB proving that Churchill
Get your facts right. Churchill refused out right to consider an armistice with Hitler's Germany. There was an element of British public and political sentiment favouring negotiated peace with a clearly ascendant Germany, among them the Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax. but Briton and France DID NOT invaded any country where as Germany did, if Briton wanted a war don't you think they gone to Germany for it?
@kazan188 Not if they wanted to be the good ones of history...
And tell me where is the good ones in war? Is there really a good Army and a bad Army in war?
Brits and froggies had already invaded the world (most of it) at that time. ;-)
That I can not disagree with as its very true. If you look into the past of each country that has been at war you will find just as many bad things. And those bad thing HAS and still are looked at and spoken of as bad things or crimes
How is that so? A puppet in that sense is when a countries Government is doing what its told by another countries Government. As Briton was alone from 1940 to 41 to fight the Germans. Even after 41 the British Government was and has never been a puppet Government
@2242bigd " As Briton was alone from 1940 to 41 to fight the Germans. Even after 41 the British Government was and has never been a puppet Government"
No Western government is really "alone". All under jewish influence (or even control).
@kazan188 No Western government is really "alone". All under jewish influence (or even control).
So does mean you will buy an island of your own and form your own Government? I bet you don't vote or take part in much politics and if so then you have little right to voice your feelings on politics. Unless you really are from Belgium (I noted on your profile) then I think its compulsory
@kazan188 "The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict - A Brief Synopsis "
As to the slaughter of Germans within Poland, I have been doing some research on this. And at this moment (though I shall keep looking) none of the reports write are from a neutral source. Most of the writings on this matter are on-line from people who are not writing history or facts taken from many sources, but instead writing one view of either their own or of somebody else hate.
@2242bigd "As to the slaughter of Germans within Poland, I have been doing some research on this. And at this moment (though I shall keep looking) none of the reports write are from a neutral source."
You think that holocaust stories come from neutral sources? ;-)
You can also look for pictures of those massacres of Germans (ex: Bromberg) to realize the violence of these ethnic cleansings.
@kazan188 You think that holocaust stories come from neutral sources? ;-)
Neutral source of writing is when its recorded by people who were from counties not involved and did not share the same desires to see the end of Nazi Germany or had the same desires as the Nazi's. And so has no reason to make propaganda, and will get the stories from lots and lots of interviews, paper records and from what they see alone before they tell the story.
@kazan188 By 1945 there was a huge amount of world press in Germany... Some of which did not care about the allies or the communist reports and were not from the liberating countries, and these peoples stories were from their own findings and sources. A neutral source has no reason to sell propaganda stories.
@kazan188 Jewish press, a neutral source. Hilarious... ;-)
Please point out WHERE I wrote Jewish press. I said world press from other countries. The whole point of having a debate is to talk your points but to also listen to other points of views and not make words up and twist what a person said. Was it not you that even tried to tell me not to twist words when I had not and you blatantly did it yourself!!
@2242bigd Some Poles had seen the danger of collaborating with the British warmongers, as Jules Lukasiewicz, the Polish ambassador to Paris, who on March 29, 1939 told his foreign minister in Warsaw:
"It is childishly naive and also unfair to suggest to a nation in a position like Poland, to compromise its relations with such a strong neighbour as Germany and to expose the world to the catastrophe of war, for no other reason than to pander to the wishes of Chamberlain's domestic policies."
@2242bigd And Poles weren't angels neither. Expansionism existed there too. Maps of the Greater Poland already circulated in Poland in the 20's. And after WW2, Poles have expelled more than 2,000,000 Germans out of "the recovered territories". For a better understanding of this complex matter, you can "Truth for Germany" by Udo Walendy.
Neither were the British or the Yanks. The British at the start of WW2 were rounding up people of German decent and British Nazi parties members and moved them to an island just off the coast. The Yanks rounded up people of Jap decent and put them in camps. If you look hard enough you can even find War crimes committed by British and US troops on German troops and civilians, but all of them were over shadowed by the huge crimes the Nazi did.
"If you look hard enough you can even find War crimes committed by British and US troops on German troops and civilians, but all of them were over shadowed by the huge crimes the Nazi did. "
Those alledged "huge nazi crimes" were even mainly created for that reason. it was the job of the Psychological Warfare Department. The article "Hidden factories uncovered" (NY Times, MAY 20, 1945) speaks about the liberation of 6 million safe slaveworkers.
Between May and August 1945, many nazi camps were liberated but no mention of a genocide in the Western press. But immediately after the nuclear bombing of Japan, those "6 million slaveworkers" (found alive) became "6 million holocausted jews" in the press. The holohoax was just a covert operation for the Allies (to hide their own war crimes) and a weapon used by the Zionists to get the land they wanted so much. The PWD sent Billy Wilder film the desolation of the camps 4 that.
@kazan188 But immediately after the nuclear bombing of Japan
The bombs dropped on Japan was a holocaust and in many books have been written like so, with many historians speaking about it as what it was. But this choice was made by the US Government.
@2242bigd "The bombs dropped on Japan was a holocaust and in many books have been written like so, with many historians speaking about it as what it was"
One must believe that the American Psy Op to demonize the nazis was not suficient to hide this huge war crime... ;-)
@kazan188 If they were Ethnic-Germans, they were aryans. What's your point?
My point was that the German people who were not seen as Ethnic in the areas of Poland would not of been better off under Nazi rule IF its true of the slaughter the Poles were doing and as there were East Prussian Jews and other kinds of people the Nazi's disliked. I find it hard to belive the Pole's were going round looking ONLY for aryans to kill. As so the Nazi's reason was a form of contradiction to who they saved.
@kazan188 Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would?
Ask yourself how does it make it right for people to persecute you? Surely it's wrong that these people persecute because you are different by either blood, what god you believe in or way of life you live, political view and sexual preference you have. If you are no risk or threat and just want to live your life, how can it be right? If in the position, and saying that you understand is saying you threat and that its right.
@kazan188 Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would?
Ask yourself how does it make it right for people to persecute you? Surely it's wrong that these people persecute because you are different by either blood, what god you believe in or way of life you live, political view and sexual preference you have. If you are no risk or threat and just want to live your life, how can it be right? If in the position, and saying that you understand is saying you threat and that its right.
@kazan188 So Poland was well aware of the build up German forces towards the broader.
A part of post-WW1 Poland was a German a few years before. Ethnic-Germans still lived there and were slaughtered by the Polish.
Yes I know Germany lost a lot of land post WW1. And yes there were many Ethnic-Germans with in the lost land post WW1, as to them being slaughtered by the poles that is news to me. But had any of these Ethnic-Germans not been true Aryans they would not been better off under Nazi rule
@2242bigd "But had any of these Ethnic-Germans not been true Aryans they would not been better off under Nazi rule"
If they were Ethnic-Germans, they were aryans. What's your point?
Hitler didn't invade Poland but a part of Germany unfairly attributed to Poland a few years before. A pangermanist like Hitler couldn't have let those massacres of Germans happen without any reaction.
@kazan188 If they were Ethnic-Germans, they were aryans. What's your point?
My point was that the German people who were not seen as Ethnic in the areas of Poland would not of been better off under Nazi rule IF its true of the slaughter the Poles were doing and as there were East Prussian Jews and other kinds of people the Nazi's disliked. I find it hard to belive the Pole's were going round looking ONLY for aryans to kill. As so the Nazi's reason was a form of contradiction to who they saved.
@kazan188 It forced Hitler to wage war at a time when he hoped to gain further unbloody victories
That is false as Hitler was quoted on 22 August, telling his generals, "I shall give a propaganda reason for starting the war; whether it is plausible or not. The victor will not be asked whether he told the truth. Poland had little choice but to mobilise troops with the reports of German troop movements from decoded massages and other forms of incoming information.
@kazan188 Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization
Lets not for get The Gleiwitz incident on 31st August 1939 which was part of Operation Himmler and comprising 21 incidents in all, along the broader of Germany and Poland. Which was intended to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany.
@2242bigd "Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat"
A part of post-WW1 Poland was a German a few years before. Ethnic-Germans still lived there and were slaughtered by the Polish (ex: Bromberg). In 1923, S. Grabski announced: "We want to base our relations on love, but there is one kind of love for one's own people and another kind for strangers. Their percentage is decidedly too high here. Posen [given to Poland after WW1] can show us one way to reduce that percentage from 14% to 1½%."
@kazan188 False. Germany participated to the disarmament Conferences very late, but France refused to disarm iself and Germany finally decided to re-arm.
By 1918 alone the French army on the western front numbered 1.6 million men; 1 million infantry and 600.000 artillery which is not including armour Div's and the French Army Air service. By 1939 all branches of the French Army came to only 900,000 and the French Air Force consisted of 826 fighters and 250 bombers.
@kazan188 Holocaust is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire", but is also used when great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life has happened. A nuclear war is also given the same name. It was only after WW2 that the word holocaust was used for what happened in the death camps, and when the word is used now a lot of people think only of what happened to the Jews and the other 5 million who were non-Jewish but gypsies homosexuals, people with disabilities
@2242bigd "It was only after WW2 that the word holocaust was used for what happened in the death camps"
Very late after WW2. The word "holocaust" was first attributed to this alledged genocide of the jews in the 70's. Try to find the article "Brazil: the Holocaust" (Time magazine US, Sept 20, 1963) and you will see that in the 60's a brazilian holocaust was a forest fire. Why would such a catastrophy have been named so late?
Like I said before, holocaust is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire", but is also used when great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life has happened. A forest fire alone without great lose of life is not a holocaust.
@kazan188 Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred no matter if they were of German or non-German ethnic origin.
@2242bigd "Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred no matter if they were of German or non-German ethnic origin."
So what? Are you against the imprisonment of the enmies of the state and of the people too??
@kazan188 So what? Are you against the imprisonment of the enmies of the state and of the people too??
OK! Ask yourself that!! Would you like it if people did that to you or even to your family, people you love or friends? With your only crime being that your considered different in race, disabled, sexual preference, political view or religious standing and so warrant death or imprisonment. Of course you would not, that really is a stupid thing to ask.
@2242bigd "Would you like it if people did that to you or even to your family, people you love or friends? With your only crime being that your considered different in race, disabled, sexual preference, political view or religious standing and so warrant death or imprisonment. "
If those friends or relatives constitute a danger for my race and for my state, yes I would. Don't be a child. Jewry was on war with Germany. They had to be imprisoned and deported far away.
@kazan188 If those friends or relatives constitute a danger for my race and for my state, yes I would.
You did not answer the part if it was you who was persecuted... You only answered the part of family and friends
For a Neo you seem to have little knowledge on who it is your meant to hate and you seem only to pick out the Jews. You do know that the Nazi's and Hitler tried wipe out a lot more than just the Jews, there were gays, gypsies and more who were considered and treated as bad as Jews
@2242bigd "You did not answer the part if it was you who was persecuted... You only answered the part of family and friends"
Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would? But it's not a matter of like/dislike. If I constituted a threat for my people, I would understand that I need to be persecuted.
. You do know that the Nazi's and Hitler tried wipe out more than the Jews, there were gays, gypsies and more.
Gypsies, gays and communists, normal to wipe them out.
@kazan188 Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would? But it's not a matter of like/dislike. If I constituted a threat for my people, I would understand that I need to be persecuted.
So why persecute other people yourself based on nothing? You have already said you probably not like yourself and understanding does not even come into it you either like or dislike but accept the position your in or what's being pushed onto you.
@kazan188 Based on nothing? Gays, gypsies, jews and communists are all dangers for healthy societies...
Don't you think Neo's should be on that list too and terrorist? Your filled with such hate towards problems of others that your blinded by where the real problem lies and that within the groups of people where there is no reasoning or limits to the hate they hold within. You said yourself you probably would not like to be persecuted yourself yet you do it to others who have done nothing
@kazan188 Jewish press, a neutral source. Hilarious... ;-)
Do you know what's more hilarious the fact that for the past few days on many points you have been corrected to the real facts and shown wrong, spoken down too and made look a fool by contradicting yourself with some of your very childish comments and to admit you probably would not like to be persecuted the same way you persecute others.... And you've spoken and done all this with a Romany Gypsies (i.e. me).
@kazan188 Your parrot comments haven't shown any of my comments to be wrong. Only in your dreams, parasite... ;-)
Strange that, as fellows you can see for yourself. I can link some more if you wish it?
I did notice that on Wikipedia it states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee." but his biography clearly states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council."
@kazan188 Wikipedia, the jewish 'encyclopedia' for naive parrots. What a reliable source!
Wikipedia is the place where its incorrect... Like it said in my post his biography clearly states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council."
@kazan188 Based on nothing? Gays, gypsies, jews and communists are all dangers for healthy societies.
Are you sure that you and your family blood line is free of all these, and the blood lines of a partner/wife if you have one? It is widely said that we were all related.. Dig deep enough and you might find an ugly truth
@kazan188 Its also not a hidden fact that when European Jews were calling for support from their American Jewish counterparts, the American Jews ignored a lot of the calls for help to intervene with the Nazi parties rise to power.
@2242bigd "Its also not a hidden fact that when European Jews were calling for support from their American Jewish counterparts, the American Jews ignored a lot of the calls for help to intervene with the Nazi parties rise to power."
And what about "the six million of them (supposely) being killed" even before Hitler came to power and not only in Germany? According to the press (especially the NY Times) there had been at least 15 "holocausts of 6 million jews" from 1900 to 1933...
@kazan188 Department in the Foreign Office. Other postings included Athens in 1932 and Santiago in 1933.
The high point of the 9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council. He managed to develop the body as a highly effective instrument of government and as a result became counsellor to the Services Liaison Department of the Foreign Office in 1942.
@kazan188 In 1945 the duke was given his final diplomatic posting on his appointment as Ambassador to Poland. He held the position for two years before the Foreign Office applied to appoint him Ambassador to Brazil. Unfortunately, he never took up the latter post, being obliged to resign from the Foreign Office as a result of the publicity surrounding his divorce. After his withdrawal from the diplomatic service, Victor embarked on a business career, becoming Vice-Chairman of the
@kazan188 Committee of Industrial Interests in Germany. From this position he was able to advance the interests of British companies such as Unilever. I'm not so update on all positions and job titles of the time but I see nothing from his biography stating Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee
@kazan188 Committee of Industrial Interests in Germany. From this position he was able to advance the interests of British companies such as Unilever. I'm not so update on all positions and job titles of the time but I see nothing from his biography stating Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee
@kazan188 before they entered Germany their soul responsibility was that of their men and defeating Germany. They were not politicians and beyond the bounds on soldiering they had little know or say, specially DeGaulle.
R. I. P Btw miep You are like a angel your generous, sweet , kind person thnx for sharing these stories and being find to those people even risk your life! LIKE i would be nervous to do something like that But you did it! your awesome and i think she got to finish the book cause of you and also thnx anne for writting the book and her parents for being nice and kind people and her sister for her support R. I . P AGAIN PS. Bye HITLER!!!
@flygurl025 im sorry she is speaking dutch and jewish is not a language it is hebrew.. im not arugueing i understand i just want to make sure you know
@flygurl025 None taken...but jews speak many languages but hebrew is considered an official language like in israel but is not limited to only hebrew so i narrowed it down to just saying jewish or german languages. Thanks for your concern though...
Its not German people!!! Its dutch!!!!
Starz0221 4 days ago
RIP Miep Gies
hispaniclatina810 2 weeks ago
@hispaniclatina810 is she really dead
alexz437 5 days ago
May anyone translate from Dutch to English what she says, please?
LorenzoPeg 3 weeks ago
Why are there holes in all the books?
lostindiancamp 1 month ago
...... 90% of the comments are 2 people fighting. I cant read any REAL comments about the video -_-
Samaria1247 2 months ago
I wish i knew how to speak german, /:
77501a 3 months ago 5
@77501a Miep Gies speaks Dutch not german
456duifje 2 months ago
@77501a Thats Dutch
lissellol 2 months ago
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toughcrowd94 2 weeks ago
i love the story of anne frank, she is my hero!
justinbieberlove8799 4 months ago
Eisenhower, DeGaulle and Churchill all wrote thick volumes about WW2 and never made reference to any systematic extermination of the European jews because they each knew that the "holocaust" was zionist propaganda fraud. The top political leaders never wish to sacrifice their own credibility so the ultra-wealthy jews instead always use stooge media types, stooge historians and stooge hollywood types to disseminate the "holocaust" lies.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Qouted from Max Hastings book Finest Years Churchill as warload 1940-45 page 307-308. "Its was widely reported that the Nazis were conducting appalling massacres, killing many Jews in death camps. But the concept of systematic genocide embracing millions of victims was beyond popular, and even prime ministerial, imagination. Entire books have been written about Churchill and the Holocaust, yet the fundamentals may be expressed succinctly: the prime minister was aware from 1942
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Its was widely reported that the Nazis were conducting appalling massacres, killing many Jews in death camps."
The Allied investigated about these rumours. An August 14, 1944 letter from John McCloy, the U.S. Assistant War Secretary, says that a study was done about whether it was necessary to bomb Birkenau. The same with an August 2, 1944 letter by Chief Air Marshall Norman Bottomley. These studies are now missing but Birkenau was never bombed, contrary to Monowitz bombed 4 times.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Monowitz camp itself held a number of working factories if im not mistaken. Bombing was rare on many camps and that was mainly because RAF and US air forces were attacking cities, oil, and other production of war. These camps were not in cities or towns but in the middle of nowhere. One other thing a family friend of mine who father lived in Germany during this time, kept a dairy and photos. He knew of a camp and his dairy was used at trails and is now in a holocaust museum.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Monowitz camp itself held a number of working factories. Bombing was rare on many camps and that was mainly because RAF and US air forces were attacking cities, oil, and other production of war."
Knowing the huge jewish influence in the Allied countries (Eisenhower and Roosevelt for instance), do you want me to believe that the Allies haven't bombed Auschwitz-Birkenau just because it was not a factory? Not a few bombs to save their brothers? Are you joking? ;-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@2242bigd Churchill knew about the holocaust in 1942? How? Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, declared in August 1943: "The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded. I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publically giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence." (August 27, 1943, Public Record Office, FO 371/34551)
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 The Holocaust was not only about Jews, I accept that after the war the Jews made it so public and most people now think of holocaust and think only Jews. Many other people died and were murdered within camps, even surviving camp guards admit to what happen and have given full and very detailed stories to what they did and how things were carried out. And as to Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, Ultra was top-secret and it was common even
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 I have been reading up on Victor Cavendish-Bentinck on his Biography
Victor succeeded to the title in 1980, on the death of his brother, the 8th Duke. He was educated at Wellington College but did not pursue a university education, instead entering the diplomatic service in 1919. His diplomatic career was distinguished. In 1922 he took charge of administrative arrangments for the Lausanne Conference. He served in the British Embassy in Paris and also in the League of Nations Depart
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 I did notice that on Wikipedia it states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee." but his biography clearly states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council."
There is a very big difference between Joint Industrial Council and Joint Intelligence Committee would you not say? The last I looked up two things had nothing to do with each other.
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd "There is a very big difference between Joint Industrial Council and Joint Intelligence Committee would you not say? The last I looked up two things had nothing to do with each other."
I don't know. I'm not British. I'm not competent to judge these details of the British internal affairs.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 onwards that the Nazis were pursuing murderous policies towards the Jews. British Jewish leaders sought to urge upon him that their people were subject to unique and historically unprecedented horrors. He responded with words of deep sympathy, indeed passion, and once urged that the RAF should do whatever was possible to cheek the slaughter. But he did not himself pursue the issue when told of 'operational difficulties' - which meant that the airmen did not believe that attempts to
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 destroy railway tracks in Eastern Europe were as useful to the war effort as continuing the assault on Germany's cities. Churchill perceived the killings of Jews in the context of Hitler's wider policies of massacre, which embraced millions of Russians, Poles, Yugoslavs, Greeks and other races. He believed that the only way to address these horrors was by hastening the defeat of Germany and liberation of the occupied nations. This assumption also guided public sentiment."
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Qouted from Max Hastings book Finest Years Churchill as warload 1940-45 page 501-2 "There seems little doubt the British and American intelligence possessed enough information by late 1944, from Ultra and escaped Auschwitz prisoners, to deduce that something uniquely terrible was being done to the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe, if the evidence had been appropriately highlighted. The failure of either government to act has incurred brutal strictures from critics."
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 So I think its pretty fair to say that Churchill and his fellow Allied leaders (FDR and Stalin) were well informed of the goings on that you say did not happen, and while Churchill was aware of these things the books he wrote were mainly about his leadership and Britain at war and how he lead the country. You also have to consider that at the time of writing his books the word was not ready to accept the holocaust and for along time many people did not want to hear of more suffering
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 I suggest you should also read the book Spectator in Hell (A British soldier's story of imprisonment in Auschwitz) written by Colin Rushton. Quoting Prologue " The train ground to a halt and the sliding doors of the carriage were crashed open. The two dozen men inside raised their hands to the sun and in turn jumped down from the train. They were met by the chorus of commands from a handful of Wehrmacht guards awaiting their arrival. 'Bewegen sie! Bewegen Schnell!'
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 A few minutes later they came to a factory. To the side of the road was a young girl of about fifteen being severely and brutally flogged with a riding crop by an officer of the SS. Kneeling helplessly in front of him, the young girl was facing the oncoming POWs and presented to them a figure of terror. Her hair had been carelessly shaven and her scalp was cut. Fresh wound inflicted by the German officer were bleeding and small red rivers ran from her face forehead to her chin.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 She was naked above the waist and Arthur could see from her ribs and drawn cheeks that she had not been properly fed for some time" This was lived through by a young soldier named Arthur Dodds and his story was written by Colin Rushton. Its been suggested that their were around 600+ commonwealth soldiers at Auschwitz, and many testimonies were used at the trails in 46-47. One other thing Eisenhower and DeGaulle were not in positions to know of the holocaust and why should they?
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd British intelligence deliberately masterminded the gas chamber lie. In a 1944 memorandum, Victor Cavendish-Bentinck wrote: "'we have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don't we run the risk that eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring down the whole of our psychological warfare effort with it. So isn't it rather time now to let it drift off by itself?"
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 with the intelligence that one department did not know what was being found out in another department. Some parts of Ultra were so secret and only open to a small number of people.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 There are many debates on what happen and if the gas chambers were real or not. But that does remove the fact that millions died within German hands, the Germans were responsible for these lives and they did little to help. It was not only the Germans who were murdering millions during this time or before the war. Stalin has also been questioned about the blood on his hands which is said to be above 15 million people even up to 22 million people who died at his hands.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 It was no hidden secret that Hitler and the Nazis disliked the Jews and other races and people who did not share the same views as theirs. There are many books of the 1930's on the Nazi party and its rising, and it was publicly reported by world news and reporters from all over the world what was happening to the Jewish communities within Germany itself. You suggest strongly that it was British intelligence at the end of the war creating stories of mass murder, and that it was blown
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 out of scale to look and sound far worse. Most of what has come to light is by people who were there and not just from people who suffered but also from the people who inflicted torment and death. Neither you or I were there and so we can only read and come to our own thoughts to what is true or not. But there was no hidden secret to how far Hitler and his loyal people would go with what they believed in, and the fact that Hitler was willing and even forcing millions of Germans to die
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 with little care or thought is a testimonie to how crazy the Nazis were and Hitler. Had he cared he would of never of gone to war with Poland, and he would of tried hard to enter political talks after the fall of Paris with the western allies and Russia.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd Don't make this jewish holy war against Germany called WW2 look like a war that Hitler wanted. In his book 'The Origins of the Second World War" pr Taylor shows ver well how ridiculous this accusation is, “The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all” (p.267). Like David Brown, President of American Hebrew, said in 1934 “We Jews are going to bring war on Germany.”, what they did...
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 “The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all”
I strongly suggest you read the book Panzer Leader General Heinz Guderian as he himself wrote of the demands Hitler put on the armed forces in Germany during the mid 1930's and the plans and production increase of war materials and training. The way he deceived and cheated the rules of the treaty of Versailles.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "the demands Hitler put on the armed forces in Germany during the mid 1930's and the plans and production increase of war materials and training. The way he deceived and cheated the rules of the treaty of Versailles."
The Treaty of Versailles specified that Germany had to disarm itself before the other nations do the same. Hitler unsuccessfully called many times the other nations to disarm themselves. So he re-armed his country. What is the problem?
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 The Treaty of Versailles specified that Germany had to disarm itself before the other nations do the same. Hitler unsuccessfully called many times the other nations to disarm themselves. So he re-armed his country. What is the problem?
Do you often contradict yourself? It was only in your last posts that you tried to claim Hitler did not re-arm Germany and that he did his best to avoid all war!!.. The factories in Monowitz were thought to be war production and it was until 44
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd "It was only in your last posts that you tried to claim Hitler did not re-arm Germany and that he did his best to avoid all war!!.. "
No contradiction at all. Hitler re-armed Germany in order to make his country as armed as his neighbours (for defensive reasons: si vis pacem para bellum (if you want peace, prepare war)) and he started to build new weapon factories for an intensive war effort only after the beginning of WW2 (end 39).
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188
Hitler re-armed Germany in order to make his country as armed as his neighbours (for defensive reasons: si vis pacem para bellum (if you want peace, prepare war)
Yet once he got Germany armed as you say for defensive reasons he then removed his neighbours by politics and when that failed is was by invasion and war . That is not being defensive by any means, its aggressive.
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@kazan188 he started to build new weapon factories for an intensive war effort only after the beginning of WW2 (end 39).
For a country that was not meant to have any armour or armoured units by 1935 the Germany army had 3 Panzer Div's.
Design of the Panzer 1 began in 1932 and mass production in 1934. Production began in 1935 on the Panzer 2, but it took another eighteen months before the first combat-ready tank was delivered.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Testing of the Panzer 3 prototypes took place in 1936 and 1937. With the first model of the Panzer 3, the Ausf. A, coming off the assembly line in May 1937. Panzer 5, design work had begun in 1935 and trials of prototypes were undertaken in 1937.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd Bikini: first American H bomb was exploded on 1 November 1952. Never used so far...
kazan188 6 months ago
@2242bigd Is that so hard to understand that a leader can re-arm his country AND want peace at the same time? Do all well-armed countries want war?
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 Is that so hard to understand that a leader can re-arm his country AND want peace at the same time? Do all well-armed countries want war?
When that country has already waged war once and created death and destruction on a such a large scale as in WW1, its leader has no right specially after the county signed a treaty of peace. After WW1 and the treaty was signed Germany was left alone and was not occupied which considering after all it had done from 1914-18 was a blessing .
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 that bombs were dropped on the camps.
No need to ask all the prisoners to lie. Many of them were very happy to do so without anybody asking them to.
You have ignored my point here and failed to twist it around. I was pointing out that every prisoner (not just the Jews) were saying the same things about the death camps, with the length of time it covered and the huge numbers passing through the system and the distance between camps it would be impossible for the same made up story .
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "that bombs were dropped on the camps"
Bombs were dropped on auschwitz-Birkenau. is that what you say?
"every prisoner (not just the Jews) were saying the same things about the death camps"
Every prisoner was saying the same after getting instructions from their soviet liberators. The first article in the Pravda after Auschwitz liberation was about electrical killing facilities, not gas chambers What about the prisoners saying there was gas chambers in Western camps?.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Bombs were dropped on auschwitz-Birkenau. is that what you say?
There were three camps in Auschwitz spread out over 25 sq miles, Monowitz was the smallest of the three and it was here that bombs were dropped which was were the factories we housed and the Commonwealth PoW soldiers were. The PoW's worked in the factories along side many of the other prisoners
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd "There were three camps in Auschwitz spread out over 25 sq miles, Monowitz was the smallest of the three and it was here that bombs were dropped which was were the factories"
I know what was Monowitz. But why not a few bombs to destroy the alledged death factory located at 5 kilometers from there? Didn't those jewish nations want to save some of their own brothers?
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 But why not a few bombs to destroy the alledged death factory located at 5 kilometers from there? Didn't those jewish nations want to save some of their own brothers?
That is a big question many of the people who were there asked and even some politicians, however the logic and reason for not doing it was defeat Hitler and the Nazi's and that would put an end to it for good. In 1944 and early 45 German war production was at its highest it had ever been during WW2.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Even with all the allied bombing, the Germans could rebuild faster and had the slave manpower to it do. From a military point of view bombing a building that had no great war winning gain and could be rebuilt again within a week was non-constructive to the big bigger effort of defeating Germany. This was and still is a very harsh answer and logic which for the people suffering was a very cruel response, however that does not mean it was the wrong choice.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 But no matter how the 11 million people died (whether it be by gas, bullet, lack of food, forced labour and so on) as German prisoner in the Reich those 11 million people did die and that number is a lower guessed number rather than a blown out of scale number.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd 11 million people died in the hands of nazis? Not so sure. General Jaruzelski, the last communist president of Poland, recently revealed in an interview with the Moscow daily Isvestia that the population statistics of his country had been falsified by the communists after WW2 in order to demonize the Germans. The kabbalistic '6 million' figure had been used many times in the press before WW2 and the '5 million' figure was added to make the goys feel concerned with the nazi "crimes".
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Not so sure. General Jaruzelski, the last communist president of Poland, recently revealed in an interview with the Moscow daily Isvestia that the population statistics of his country had been falsified by the communists after WW2 in order to demonize the Germans.
I don't understand the point your making.
The communists did not need to make more reasons to demonize the Germans, the Nazis and German Army did a very good job of that on their without help when they went into USSR in 41
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 I have been to Moscow a number of times and been to the Great Patriotic War museum (which might I add covers the holocaust and the camps the Russians came across), yet there was in noway dramatise, lies or wrong and miss leading information being given out as it was based on facts. I've spent the last 10-12 years of my life studying mainly the Great Patriotic War (as its known in Russia) and WW2 as we know it and focus alot on the Russians and the Germans more so than the West
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "I have been to Moscow a number of times and been to the Great Patriotic War museum (which might I add covers the holocaust and the camps the Russians came across)"
Stalin's archives, a fair objective source of information that we can trust without questioning, isn't it? Did they present their war lies too? Did they expose the famous homicidal steam chambers of Treblinka or the electrical killing facilities of Auschwitz invented by their propaganda services? :-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 But I have still spent may be 5 -6 years studying the Western Aillies during WW2 and time on the holocaust. However to have a fair understand of what happened at all and to find what was true and false you have to find out from a lot of sources and different views. The fact that a lot of former German soldiers are openly admitting the horrors and the great numbers of former prisoners telling the same story is enough for a lot of the world to know what's true and false
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd " The fact that a lot of former German soldiers are openly admitting the horrors and the great numbers of former prisoners telling the same story is enough for a lot of the world to know what's true and false"
The 'survivors' stories don't even corroborate each other on many sides. And about the alledged perpetrators, the Nuremberg trials' goal was not to prove the holocaust. So their only chance to avoid jail for life was to say "it was not my fault. It was my boss' fault".
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Are you really trying to suggest that the Russians and British got all the former prisoners together and said "Now look here people we want to make the Germans and Nazi's sound 10 times worse than they were so from now on we want you to publicly tell this made up story, forget the fact that you have already been through hell and lost friends and families, got sick from illness, under feed and worked like dogs that's just not bad enough you must tell that you were gassed"!!!!!
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Are you trying to suggest the Russians and British got all the former prisoners together and said "Now we want to make the Nazi's sound 10 times worse than they were ""
No need to ask all the prisoners to lie. Many of them were very happy to do so without anybody asking them to. Just need a few of them to say those lies to the press and on 'trials'. The jews of the communist regime and a few jews of the press in the Western democracies were enough to spread such a myth.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Something I thought of interest for you about the book you mentioned
A. J. P. Taylor's famous -- or notorious -- book, The Origins of the Second World War. Taylor, with his usual flamboyant cleverness, turned the accepted understanding of the War's origins upside down. Hitler was not so much a madman as a typical German seeking German dominance over central and eastern Europe. He was an opportunist, not a genius.
Just to note, he writes Hitler as German when he was not
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Hitler was not so much a madman as a typical German seeking German dominance over central and eastern Europe. He was an opportunist, not a genius."
I don't care about Taylor's subjective opinion about Hitler. Hitler lost much more than what he gained in his fight for his Volk. Contrary to Taylor, comfortably sat on his chair, he sacrificed his life for his people and died from his struggle against the communist and jewish hyenas.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 You are forgetting that some German civilians, lots of PoW's and lots of German guards were making the same statements as the prisoners were, confirming the horrors which were inflected.
Stalin's archives, a fair objective source of information that we can trust without questioning, isn't it?
Were the records left from Hitlers Reich anymore trust worthy than USSR, of course not.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "some German civilians, lots of PoW's and lots of German guards were making the same statements as the prisoners were"
German civilians knew about the holocaust? A brand new version of the holohoax you have... :-)
What Pow's? Communist POWs?
The same statements. A joke? You can find 2 'survivors' saying the same thing.
"Were the records left from Hitlers Reich anymore trust worthy than USSR, of course not."
Probably not, but they don't try to prove a fake genocide.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 What Pow's? Communist POWs?
The same statements. A joke? You can find 2 'survivors' saying the same thing.
There were Western PoW's camped in the smallest of the 3 camps in Auschwitz which I quoted and told u in my first few post's
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd "There were Western PoW's camped in the smallest of the 3 camps in Auschwitz which I quoted and told u in my first few post's"
And everybody in the camp knew about those magical gas chambers, is that what you mean? Why disguising those gas chambers in shower rooms if everybody knew about them?
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 And everybody in the camp knew about those magical gas chambers, is that what you mean? Why disguising those gas chambers in shower rooms if everybody knew about them?
At the start it made sense to disguising them, but beyond that it was more of just wanting to torment their prisoners and a feeling of control and power over them.
It did not take long for people who where there to work out what was happening and from that point on it made no logic to continue the deception, which the
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "but beyond that it was more of just wanting to torment their prisoners and a feeling of control and power over them."
Haven't I told you to stop jerking off while you watch Spielberg's propaganda movies. "The mean nazis wanted to torment their poor little prisoners". Grow up, boy... ;-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 The mean nazis wanted to torment their poor little prisoners". Grow up, boy
That is rather ironic coming from yourself don't you think? What's wrong did I burst your very small and narrow minded bubble of lies and hate?
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "What's wrong did I burst your very small and narrow minded bubble of lies and hate?"
No, you made me laugh. You reminded me when I was 6 years old. ;-)
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 No, you made me laugh. You reminded me when I was 6 years old. ;-)
Tell me how it is I reminded you of when you were 6 years old please... I was happy having a debate with you and it was you who started to be rude and offensive, that is childish by far.. Which until my last post I re-framed from doing because it was clear you just wanted to be rude!!
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 SS might of stopped doing.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 German civilians knew about the holocaust? A brand new version of the holohoax you have... :-)
Like I said in one of my first few post, a family friend who is German and her father lived in Germany during the war. He kept a dairy of the events, some of which were about the people being sent to death camps. At the end of the war he gave his dairy to be used at the trails as it had extensive accounts and photos. He knew of the camps. I also said SOME not all German civilians
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 According to the press (especially the NY Times) there had been at least 15 "holocausts of 6 million jews"
The word holocaust does not represent the deaths of Jews only, during WW2 it was not just Jews who were victims and even the Jews who lived through the holocaust publicly speak about the fact it was not just them but anyone who was not seen as part of the master race. That is the other 5 million people of many kinds.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "The word holocaust does not represent the deaths of Jews only, even the Jews publicly speak about the fact it was not just them but anyone who was not seen as part of the master race. That is the other 5 million people of many kinds."
Don't play with words. There were many articles in newspapers about alledged genocides of 6 million jews before 1933. The 5 million figure has been chosen to make the goys feel concerned but less hurt than the jews and their kabbalistic 6 million.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 he sacrificed his life for his people and died from his struggle against the communist and jewish hyenas.
He did not sacrifice himself for his people, he did it only because he did not want the Russians to make a public trail (which was a special liking for Stalin) and death sentence. By the time the Russians were knocking on Berlins doors he did not care for you call "his people". As far as Hitler was concerned his people were traitors for letting the war come to his defeat.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "He did not sacrifice himself for his people, he did it only because he did not want the Russians to make a public trail"
I was not only speaking about his death, but all his years of struggle for his country and for his people.
"As far as Hitler was concerned his people were traitors for letting the war come to his defeat."
Stop jerking off watching Spielberg's movies... :-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Stop jerking off watching Spielberg's movies... :-)
While movies are good to watch they are often far from the telling the whole truth.. If you picked up a book once in while and read it you would learn that most of the statements made by Hitler about his people being traitors were made ONLY by the German soldiers who served under him.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Stop jerking off watching Spielberg's movies
One other thing Spielberg has never made a film about Hitler and his last few days alive. However there was a film made by German director Oliver Hirschbiegel, film called "Downfall"..
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Is that so hard to understand that a leader can re-arm his country AND want peace at the same time? Do all well-armed countries want war?
Also the British and French armies between WW1 and WW2 had been reduced from its 1918 numbers. Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat, and it showed when Germany did go to war and swept over Europe and other armies just how under armed and prepared other countries were. And your trying to tell me Germany only re-armed like its neighbours!!
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Also the British and French armies between WW1 and WW2 had been reduced from its 1918 numbers. Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat"
False. Germany participated to the disarmament Conferences very late, but France refused to disarm iself and Germany finally decided to re-arm.
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 False. Germany participated to the disarmament Conferences very late, but France refused to disarm iself and Germany finally decided to re-arm.
The French Army peaked just over 8 million troops in WW1... By the time WW2 came the French army had 900,000 professional soldiers in 1939.. Even with the French reserves (part time soldiers who had seen a limited amount of active service) of 5 million it is still a decline of a large force.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat,"
A bit more complicated than that. A quotation to understand. Kazimierz Sosnkowski, Polish General and Minister-in-Exile, declared in August 31st, 1943: "Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization marked a turning point in the history of Europe. It forced Hitler to wage war at a time when he hoped to gain further unbloody victories."
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 "Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization marked a turning point in the history of Europe.
And do you know why and how they made this choice? Many people do not know this but it was NEVER the British who cracked the Enigma code AkA Ultra, it was decoded by the poles in the mid 30's. Apart from a small period of time from Sept to Nov 1938 when the prescribed positions were changed by the Germans, the poles were reading many of the messages.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "when the prescribed positions were changed by the Germans, the poles were reading many of the messages"
To understand the mutual secular hatred between Poles and Germans, rising up at that time, read "The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict - A Brief Synopsis ". Brits wanted a war with Hitler, and so the British government under Chamberlain gave Poland an intervention guarantee. Its purpose was to incite Poland to escalate its endeavors for war against Germany.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 "The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict - A Brief Synopsis "
I have already come across this and I did read it.. The British did not want war on any account, Chamberlain the the British Government had already give way to many of Hitler's demands over the Rhineland, Austria and Czech. Chamberlain was ready to give in to Hitler's demand over Danzig (which was one of the main arguments over Poland) but then Germany invaded Poland anyway.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "The British did not want war on any account"
The British have naturally made as if they didn't want war. There exists telegrams exchanged between Germany and GB proving that Churchill was ready to make peace if Germany accepted to come back to the gold standard. The jews didn't want that the successful nazi economic system to be adopted by others countries. To prevent that, Germany absolutely had to be attacked and the British puppets were perfect tools for that operation.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 There exists telegrams exchanged between Germany and GB proving that Churchill
Get your facts right. Churchill refused out right to consider an armistice with Hitler's Germany. There was an element of British public and political sentiment favouring negotiated peace with a clearly ascendant Germany, among them the Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax. but Briton and France DID NOT invaded any country where as Germany did, if Briton wanted a war don't you think they gone to Germany for it?
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Briton and France DID NOT invaded any country where as Germany did,"
Brits and froggies had already invaded the world (most of it) at that time. ;-)
" if Briton wanted a war don't you think they gone to Germany for it?"
Not if they wanted to be the good ones of history...
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 Not if they wanted to be the good ones of history...
And tell me where is the good ones in war? Is there really a good Army and a bad Army in war?
Brits and froggies had already invaded the world (most of it) at that time. ;-)
That I can not disagree with as its very true. If you look into the past of each country that has been at war you will find just as many bad things. And those bad thing HAS and still are looked at and spoken of as bad things or crimes
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 British puppets
How is that so? A puppet in that sense is when a countries Government is doing what its told by another countries Government. As Briton was alone from 1940 to 41 to fight the Germans. Even after 41 the British Government was and has never been a puppet Government
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd " As Briton was alone from 1940 to 41 to fight the Germans. Even after 41 the British Government was and has never been a puppet Government"
No Western government is really "alone". All under jewish influence (or even control).
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 No Western government is really "alone". All under jewish influence (or even control).
So does mean you will buy an island of your own and form your own Government? I bet you don't vote or take part in much politics and if so then you have little right to voice your feelings on politics. Unless you really are from Belgium (I noted on your profile) then I think its compulsory
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 "The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict - A Brief Synopsis "
As to the slaughter of Germans within Poland, I have been doing some research on this. And at this moment (though I shall keep looking) none of the reports write are from a neutral source. Most of the writings on this matter are on-line from people who are not writing history or facts taken from many sources, but instead writing one view of either their own or of somebody else hate.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "As to the slaughter of Germans within Poland, I have been doing some research on this. And at this moment (though I shall keep looking) none of the reports write are from a neutral source."
You think that holocaust stories come from neutral sources? ;-)
You can also look for pictures of those massacres of Germans (ex: Bromberg) to realize the violence of these ethnic cleansings.
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 You think that holocaust stories come from neutral sources? ;-)
Neutral source of writing is when its recorded by people who were from counties not involved and did not share the same desires to see the end of Nazi Germany or had the same desires as the Nazi's. And so has no reason to make propaganda, and will get the stories from lots and lots of interviews, paper records and from what they see alone before they tell the story.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 By 1945 there was a huge amount of world press in Germany... Some of which did not care about the allies or the communist reports and were not from the liberating countries, and these peoples stories were from their own findings and sources. A neutral source has no reason to sell propaganda stories.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd " A neutral source has no reason to sell propaganda stories."
Jewish press, a neutral source. Hilarious... ;-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Jewish press, a neutral source. Hilarious... ;-)
Please point out WHERE I wrote Jewish press. I said world press from other countries. The whole point of having a debate is to talk your points but to also listen to other points of views and not make words up and twist what a person said. Was it not you that even tried to tell me not to twist words when I had not and you blatantly did it yourself!!
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Please point out WHERE I wrote Jewish press. I said world press from other countries."
Do you think that the world press belong to goys?
kazan188 6 months ago
@2242bigd Some Poles had seen the danger of collaborating with the British warmongers, as Jules Lukasiewicz, the Polish ambassador to Paris, who on March 29, 1939 told his foreign minister in Warsaw:
"It is childishly naive and also unfair to suggest to a nation in a position like Poland, to compromise its relations with such a strong neighbour as Germany and to expose the world to the catastrophe of war, for no other reason than to pander to the wishes of Chamberlain's domestic policies."
kazan188 6 months ago
@2242bigd And Poles weren't angels neither. Expansionism existed there too. Maps of the Greater Poland already circulated in Poland in the 20's. And after WW2, Poles have expelled more than 2,000,000 Germans out of "the recovered territories". For a better understanding of this complex matter, you can "Truth for Germany" by Udo Walendy.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 And Poles weren't angels neither.
Neither were the British or the Yanks. The British at the start of WW2 were rounding up people of German decent and British Nazi parties members and moved them to an island just off the coast. The Yanks rounded up people of Jap decent and put them in camps. If you look hard enough you can even find War crimes committed by British and US troops on German troops and civilians, but all of them were over shadowed by the huge crimes the Nazi did.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd 1.
"If you look hard enough you can even find War crimes committed by British and US troops on German troops and civilians, but all of them were over shadowed by the huge crimes the Nazi did. "
Those alledged "huge nazi crimes" were even mainly created for that reason. it was the job of the Psychological Warfare Department. The article "Hidden factories uncovered" (NY Times, MAY 20, 1945) speaks about the liberation of 6 million safe slaveworkers.
kazan188 6 months ago
@2242bigd 2.
Between May and August 1945, many nazi camps were liberated but no mention of a genocide in the Western press. But immediately after the nuclear bombing of Japan, those "6 million slaveworkers" (found alive) became "6 million holocausted jews" in the press. The holohoax was just a covert operation for the Allies (to hide their own war crimes) and a weapon used by the Zionists to get the land they wanted so much. The PWD sent Billy Wilder film the desolation of the camps 4 that.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 But immediately after the nuclear bombing of Japan
The bombs dropped on Japan was a holocaust and in many books have been written like so, with many historians speaking about it as what it was. But this choice was made by the US Government.
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd "The bombs dropped on Japan was a holocaust and in many books have been written like so, with many historians speaking about it as what it was"
One must believe that the American Psy Op to demonize the nazis was not suficient to hide this huge war crime... ;-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 One must believe that the American Psy Op to demonize the nazis was not suficient to hide this huge war crime... ;-)
It has never been hidden and like I said before has since been written about in many books for what it was.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "It has never been hidden and like I said before has since been written about in many books for what it was"
Nothing compared to huge holohoax propaganda in the kosher press...
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 If they were Ethnic-Germans, they were aryans. What's your point?
My point was that the German people who were not seen as Ethnic in the areas of Poland would not of been better off under Nazi rule IF its true of the slaughter the Poles were doing and as there were East Prussian Jews and other kinds of people the Nazi's disliked. I find it hard to belive the Pole's were going round looking ONLY for aryans to kill. As so the Nazi's reason was a form of contradiction to who they saved.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would?
Ask yourself how does it make it right for people to persecute you? Surely it's wrong that these people persecute because you are different by either blood, what god you believe in or way of life you live, political view and sexual preference you have. If you are no risk or threat and just want to live your life, how can it be right? If in the position, and saying that you understand is saying you threat and that its right.
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@kazan188 Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would?
Ask yourself how does it make it right for people to persecute you? Surely it's wrong that these people persecute because you are different by either blood, what god you believe in or way of life you live, political view and sexual preference you have. If you are no risk or threat and just want to live your life, how can it be right? If in the position, and saying that you understand is saying you threat and that its right.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 So Poland was well aware of the build up German forces towards the broader.
A part of post-WW1 Poland was a German a few years before. Ethnic-Germans still lived there and were slaughtered by the Polish.
Yes I know Germany lost a lot of land post WW1. And yes there were many Ethnic-Germans with in the lost land post WW1, as to them being slaughtered by the poles that is news to me. But had any of these Ethnic-Germans not been true Aryans they would not been better off under Nazi rule
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "But had any of these Ethnic-Germans not been true Aryans they would not been better off under Nazi rule"
If they were Ethnic-Germans, they were aryans. What's your point?
Hitler didn't invade Poland but a part of Germany unfairly attributed to Poland a few years before. A pangermanist like Hitler couldn't have let those massacres of Germans happen without any reaction.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 If they were Ethnic-Germans, they were aryans. What's your point?
My point was that the German people who were not seen as Ethnic in the areas of Poland would not of been better off under Nazi rule IF its true of the slaughter the Poles were doing and as there were East Prussian Jews and other kinds of people the Nazi's disliked. I find it hard to belive the Pole's were going round looking ONLY for aryans to kill. As so the Nazi's reason was a form of contradiction to who they saved.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 It forced Hitler to wage war at a time when he hoped to gain further unbloody victories
That is false as Hitler was quoted on 22 August, telling his generals, "I shall give a propaganda reason for starting the war; whether it is plausible or not. The victor will not be asked whether he told the truth. Poland had little choice but to mobilise troops with the reports of German troop movements from decoded massages and other forms of incoming information.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization
Lets not for get The Gleiwitz incident on 31st August 1939 which was part of Operation Himmler and comprising 21 incidents in all, along the broader of Germany and Poland. Which was intended to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Germany's neighbour were of no direct threat"
A part of post-WW1 Poland was a German a few years before. Ethnic-Germans still lived there and were slaughtered by the Polish (ex: Bromberg). In 1923, S. Grabski announced: "We want to base our relations on love, but there is one kind of love for one's own people and another kind for strangers. Their percentage is decidedly too high here. Posen [given to Poland after WW1] can show us one way to reduce that percentage from 14% to 1½%."
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 French lost their edge in the late 1920s early 1930s.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 False. Germany participated to the disarmament Conferences very late, but France refused to disarm iself and Germany finally decided to re-arm.
By 1918 alone the French army on the western front numbered 1.6 million men; 1 million infantry and 600.000 artillery which is not including armour Div's and the French Army Air service. By 1939 all branches of the French Army came to only 900,000 and the French Air Force consisted of 826 fighters and 250 bombers.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Holocaust is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire", but is also used when great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life has happened. A nuclear war is also given the same name. It was only after WW2 that the word holocaust was used for what happened in the death camps, and when the word is used now a lot of people think only of what happened to the Jews and the other 5 million who were non-Jewish but gypsies homosexuals, people with disabilities
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "It was only after WW2 that the word holocaust was used for what happened in the death camps"
Very late after WW2. The word "holocaust" was first attributed to this alledged genocide of the jews in the 70's. Try to find the article "Brazil: the Holocaust" (Time magazine US, Sept 20, 1963) and you will see that in the 60's a brazilian holocaust was a forest fire. Why would such a catastrophy have been named so late?
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 brazilian holocaust was a forest fire.
Like I said before, holocaust is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire", but is also used when great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life has happened. A forest fire alone without great lose of life is not a holocaust.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred no matter if they were of German or non-German ethnic origin.
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd "Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred no matter if they were of German or non-German ethnic origin."
So what? Are you against the imprisonment of the enmies of the state and of the people too??
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 So what? Are you against the imprisonment of the enmies of the state and of the people too??
OK! Ask yourself that!! Would you like it if people did that to you or even to your family, people you love or friends? With your only crime being that your considered different in race, disabled, sexual preference, political view or religious standing and so warrant death or imprisonment. Of course you would not, that really is a stupid thing to ask.
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@2242bigd "Would you like it if people did that to you or even to your family, people you love or friends? With your only crime being that your considered different in race, disabled, sexual preference, political view or religious standing and so warrant death or imprisonment. "
If those friends or relatives constitute a danger for my race and for my state, yes I would. Don't be a child. Jewry was on war with Germany. They had to be imprisoned and deported far away.
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 If those friends or relatives constitute a danger for my race and for my state, yes I would.
You did not answer the part if it was you who was persecuted... You only answered the part of family and friends
For a Neo you seem to have little knowledge on who it is your meant to hate and you seem only to pick out the Jews. You do know that the Nazi's and Hitler tried wipe out a lot more than just the Jews, there were gays, gypsies and more who were considered and treated as bad as Jews
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "You did not answer the part if it was you who was persecuted... You only answered the part of family and friends"
Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would? But it's not a matter of like/dislike. If I constituted a threat for my people, I would understand that I need to be persecuted.
. You do know that the Nazi's and Hitler tried wipe out more than the Jews, there were gays, gypsies and more.
Gypsies, gays and communists, normal to wipe them out.
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 Would I like to be persecuted? No, probably not. Who would? But it's not a matter of like/dislike. If I constituted a threat for my people, I would understand that I need to be persecuted.
So why persecute other people yourself based on nothing? You have already said you probably not like yourself and understanding does not even come into it you either like or dislike but accept the position your in or what's being pushed onto you.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "So why persecute other people yourself based on nothing?"
Based on nothing? Gays, gypsies, jews and communists are all dangers for healthy societies...
kazan188 6 months ago
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@kazan188 Based on nothing? Gays, gypsies, jews and communists are all dangers for healthy societies...
Don't you think Neo's should be on that list too and terrorist? Your filled with such hate towards problems of others that your blinded by where the real problem lies and that within the groups of people where there is no reasoning or limits to the hate they hold within. You said yourself you probably would not like to be persecuted yourself yet you do it to others who have done nothing
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Jewish press, a neutral source. Hilarious... ;-)
Do you know what's more hilarious the fact that for the past few days on many points you have been corrected to the real facts and shown wrong, spoken down too and made look a fool by contradicting yourself with some of your very childish comments and to admit you probably would not like to be persecuted the same way you persecute others.... And you've spoken and done all this with a Romany Gypsies (i.e. me).
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd " for the past few days on many points you have been corrected to the real facts and shown wrong"
Your parrot comments haven't shown any of my comments to be wrong. Only in your dreams, parasite... ;-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Your parrot comments haven't shown any of my comments to be wrong. Only in your dreams, parasite... ;-)
Strange that, as fellows you can see for yourself. I can link some more if you wish it?
I did notice that on Wikipedia it states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee." but his biography clearly states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council."
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "I did notice that on Wikipedia it states"
Wikipedia, the jewish 'encyclopedia' for naive parrots. What a reliable source!
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Wikipedia, the jewish 'encyclopedia' for naive parrots. What a reliable source!
Wikipedia is the place where its incorrect... Like it said in my post his biography clearly states "9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council."
2242bigd 6 months ago 2
@kazan188 Based on nothing? Gays, gypsies, jews and communists are all dangers for healthy societies.
Are you sure that you and your family blood line is free of all these, and the blood lines of a partner/wife if you have one? It is widely said that we were all related.. Dig deep enough and you might find an ugly truth
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd " It is widely said that we were all related.. "
It's also said that niggers are not stupid...what is obviously a big politically correct lie. :-)
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Its also not a hidden fact that when European Jews were calling for support from their American Jewish counterparts, the American Jews ignored a lot of the calls for help to intervene with the Nazi parties rise to power.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@2242bigd "Its also not a hidden fact that when European Jews were calling for support from their American Jewish counterparts, the American Jews ignored a lot of the calls for help to intervene with the Nazi parties rise to power."
And what about "the six million of them (supposely) being killed" even before Hitler came to power and not only in Germany? According to the press (especially the NY Times) there had been at least 15 "holocausts of 6 million jews" from 1900 to 1933...
kazan188 6 months ago
@kazan188 Department in the Foreign Office. Other postings included Athens in 1932 and Santiago in 1933.
The high point of the 9th Duke's diplomatic career came in 1939 when he was appointed chairman of the Joint Industrial Council. He managed to develop the body as a highly effective instrument of government and as a result became counsellor to the Services Liaison Department of the Foreign Office in 1942.
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 In 1945 the duke was given his final diplomatic posting on his appointment as Ambassador to Poland. He held the position for two years before the Foreign Office applied to appoint him Ambassador to Brazil. Unfortunately, he never took up the latter post, being obliged to resign from the Foreign Office as a result of the publicity surrounding his divorce. After his withdrawal from the diplomatic service, Victor embarked on a business career, becoming Vice-Chairman of the
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 Committee of Industrial Interests in Germany. From this position he was able to advance the interests of British companies such as Unilever. I'm not so update on all positions and job titles of the time but I see nothing from his biography stating Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee
2242bigd 6 months ago
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@kazan188 Committee of Industrial Interests in Germany. From this position he was able to advance the interests of British companies such as Unilever. I'm not so update on all positions and job titles of the time but I see nothing from his biography stating Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee
2242bigd 6 months ago
@kazan188 before they entered Germany their soul responsibility was that of their men and defeating Germany. They were not politicians and beyond the bounds on soldiering they had little know or say, specially DeGaulle.
2242bigd 6 months ago
It should have been tough for her to come back to that house again, where such beautiful memories might have returned.
ElvisCamillo 6 months ago
R. I. P Btw miep You are like a angel your generous, sweet , kind person thnx for sharing these stories and being find to those people even risk your life! LIKE i would be nervous to do something like that But you did it! your awesome and i think she got to finish the book cause of you and also thnx anne for writting the book and her parents for being nice and kind people and her sister for her support R. I . P AGAIN PS. Bye HITLER!!!
PigsAreHot101 7 months ago
rip. a true hero<3
svenskaflicka428 9 months ago
just read the book for a 3rd time. this book will dwell in my heart forever. She got her wish she will live on forever
missrosetejano 9 months ago
Isn't the annex a museum now or something? It would be amazing to go see it! RIP Miep Gies
Jdlikefood 10 months ago
@Jdlikefood Yeah it is, but it is all glassed over, and you cannot see the attic
livi334 8 months ago
Could anyone translate what's she's saying in to English, please? Thank you! :)
beth089 11 months ago
Wha? If youtuber's post videos like this, they should include caption...I mean how many of us speak jewish or german? I know I dont...
flygurl025 1 year ago
@flygurl025 im sorry she is speaking dutch and jewish is not a language it is hebrew.. im not arugueing i understand i just want to make sure you know
jasonmayhammillerfan 1 year ago
@flygurl025 None taken...but jews speak many languages but hebrew is considered an official language like in israel but is not limited to only hebrew so i narrowed it down to just saying jewish or german languages. Thanks for your concern though...
flygurl025 1 year ago
I can understand why you wish you new waht she was saying.
There are some with English Language writing on the screen with her voice in Dutch or German.
abcdefg6554 1 year ago